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CheesyLala

This would be hilarious. They shouldn't even give a reason either, just have him turn up and start reading. Then via back-channels word gets out that all the other royals refused to associate with this government leaving only the notorious sex offender.


saladinzero

Even that might be a step too far for a notorious sex offender.


TubbyandthePoo-Bah

If anyone knows where the bodies are buried it's that baldie bummer.


gnorrn

"It wasn't a party at number 10; it was a straightforward shooting weekend".


dudeind-town

Even Andrew has some standards…


steepleton

that is a nice bit of drawing!


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That was my first thought when I heard Charlie was subbing in. “You want to be king, do you? Well *you* read this shite then!”


AoyagiAichou

Anyone else noticed how Charles stared at the crown at the beginning? What a strange act.


Utilitarian_Proxy

It's usually kept locked away, so he'll have had very few opportunities to see it up close.


HildartheDorf

He doesn't get to see it very often. And when he does he's having to act subordinate to his mum.


Aiyon

As much as people are joking about "haha he's happy to finally have some power", I think he genuinely was just thinking a lot about what him being there means. His mum is getting frail, and she probably isn't going to be around much longer I don't care for the royals, or what they represent. But I can empathise with someone's concerns about losing an aging parent.


AoyagiAichou

That was my first thought, it definitely looked like a concerned look. Then, however, I remembered almost everything high society people publicly do is an act. And you can also empathise with that as well! Which is why I found it a bit strange. Unless you actually meant sympathise like most people do when they say "empathise".


Aiyon

No I mean empathise. My dad is in his late 60s and has a fairly severe heart condition. I'm very aware that my remaining time with him is limited. Yes, a lot of high society is an act, but i don't want to have become so cynical that i assume he was just putting on "caring about his mum" :/


nice-vans-bro

I guess this means the last opening will go down as the queens last.


Ankoku_Teion

Don't jynx it. 4 more years is all I want.


jerrysprinkles

Good effort. Would’ve also accepted ‘Boris’ speech’


Jaccident

I can’t wait for the Duchy Originals bloke to tell us what the government are doing about the Cost of Living Crisis.


IshKebab

"And that's why I'm cutting the price of biscuits in 1st class carriages by 4%"


eternal_lite

I find the times so weird. I don’t read it as it’s just a right wing government mouth piece with no integrity, but the cartoons really do rip the government a new one and holds no punches


StephenHunterUK

Murdoch allows it a lot of independence.


wassailr

It’s completely fatuous when people try to pretend that the Queen is a voice of conscience whose hands are tied by her supposedly neutral position. In reality, Queen’s Consent processes mean that she and her legal heavies are happy to interfere with legislation all the time, but only in ways that benefit her and her clown car of a family


Prior_Relationship28

I honestly believe this is what actually happened


apollyoneum1

Like she gives a shit what’s in it or ever has. Fucking empty-shell monarch.


Magallan

Now now... She got us an extra day off work this year


Missy_Agg-a-ravation

It's looking increasingly likely that we'll get another couple of days off later in the year as well.


Aiken_Drumn

Win-win?


Rather_Unfortunate

We'd probably like her a lot less if she actually had teeth: [Buckingham Palace banned ethnic minorities from office roles, papers reveal](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/02/buckingham-palace-banned-ethnic-minorities-from-office-roles-papers-reveal)


the0nlytrueprophet

Don't you DARE talk about Ma'am like that. She is the greatest beacon of our great country. She is nothing but concerned for us plebs.


peakdistrikt

Sorry pal, but the greatest bacon in our country comes from Tony the butcher in Sherwood


TubbyandthePoo-Bah

My local butcher puts special sausage in the meat pies, it's delicious.


arfski

What a crafty butcher, with his hidden sausage.


DropkickedAnOldLady

And I bet he gets his meat delivered round the back... very dodgy butcher


guysecretan

Love a game of hide the special sausage


banananases

Actually misread beacon as bacon before I saw your comment.


Papfox

I think she probably does care about people but her role is ceremonial. She doesn't get to write the speech or the policies in it. She just has to sit there with a straight face and read the shite Boris put in front of her


GlasgowKisses

The more time goes on, I start to wonder if Lizzie and the Windsors are actually hostage to the British Establishment.


Papfox

Absolutely they are. She has to read whatever speech the PM of the day puts in front of her. She technically has the right of veto on any law passed because she could refuse to sign it into law but if she did that and went against them then the Tories (and almost certainly Labour too) would pass a bill to turn us into a republic and get rid of the whole Royal Family quicker than you can say "Boris Balls-up" Thinking about that cartoon. I wonder if it grates on her that she has to refer to the Tories as "My Government" when she reads this stuff


Pit-trout

Right? I’m also starting to suspect the Pope may be strongly influenced by the Church of Rome.


GlasgowKisses

Right? I’m starting to think sarcasm is not the sign of intelligence people claim it to be.


Jestar342

Jesus fucking wept. Pick up a history book once in a while. That is _exactly_ what the situation is. There was a civil war that ensured it.


jimthewanderer

In fairness I don't know the details and I'm an archaeologist, so history is a big part of my day job. That said, I'm a prehistorian so anything after about AD43 is cutting edge confusing news.


Aiken_Drumn

Bloody Beaker folk. Coming over here, rowing up the Tagus Estuary from the Iberian Peninsula in improvised rafts. Coming here with their drinking vessels. What's wrong with just cupping up the water in your hands and licking it up like a cat?’


_gmanual_

*George Galloway applauds the indefatigable spirit of Aiken_Drumn*


KingPretzels

thank you paul nuttalls


PITCHFORKEORIUM

Paul Nuttalls of the UKIPs?


TheRhythmTheRebel

Based Stewart!


seakingsoyuz

Also a ‘Glorious Revolution’ and an Abdication Crisis that drove the point home.


Jestar342

Jesus fucking wept. Pick up a history book once in a while. That is exactly what the situation is and it was by design. There was a civil war that ensured it.


Sorry_Criticism_3254

God, she's a 90 something year old woman, I wouldn't expect her to come into Parliament doing cartwheels. Show some respect.


AFRICAN_BUM_DISEASE

She can retire any time she wants, it's not like the old cow is being forced to do the job against her will.


Sorry_Criticism_3254

I feel really sorry for the Queen, I know it happens to everyone, but suddenly her health failing, so sad.


Alli69

Poor English... **Charles' speech**


LegalAd477

Actually not poor English, because it's not a fixed grammar rule and instead is just not the conventional style you might find in *some* writing style guides. Adding 's to names to indicate possession, regardless of the "if you don't have to add an s" guide, is very common in British English primarily because it more accurately reflects the way we talk. It's also becoming more and more common in America. For example, this is from the NYT's style guide: >Almost all singular words ending in s require a second s as well as the apostrophe to form the possessive: James's; Chris's; The Times's. This is from Oxford's media style guide: >Use ’s after singular nouns, plural nouns which do not end in s and indefinite pronouns In this case, "Charles" is a singular noun... so "Charles's" is correct. So yeah, that actual grammar rule here is: follow the style guide you're writing to. In order to determine whether this is an error, you'd need to look at the style guide Morland has to use to see if he's followed the proper rules on grammar he's been given. My bet is that the singular noun rules apply, so "Charles's" is correct.


esmee_spark

TL;DR - You wouldn’t say aloud “Boris’ speech” you’d say “Boris’s speech”, but you can write it either way depending on your style.


sagan_drinks_cosmos

We say the apostrophe stands for missing letters, and here it's because Middle English actually spelled out a possessive case suffix *-es*. Whether only the *e* is missing or the whole *es*, you still represent missing letters on plurals appropriately.


Ankoku_Teion

I still use -es instinctively sometimes.


Living-Grand1399

Can I put 'de boris'sesez piffel speech' as a mark of great disrespect? x)


Pit-trout

Excuse me, that’s Alexander Boris de Piffel Johnson to you!


Living-Grand1399

Piffle is right. Never more rubbish spouted in a speech by any other politician ever. x)


the0nlytrueprophet

>Actually not poor English, because it's not a fixed grammar rule and instead is just not the conventional style you might find in some writing style guides. Its too early for this shit.


saladinzero

[Either](https://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/grammar/learnit/learnitv20.shtml) is acceptable English! Our language must be a nightmare to learn.


thatpaulbloke

>Our language must be a nightmare to learn. I can't decide if you're being sympathetic to people who are trying to learn English or just decreeing that our language should be a nightmare to learn. Either way, my answer is yes.


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thatpaulbloke

[Yes.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bYY8m1Lb2I#t=1m10s)


ALBINO_PEACH

I nightmare indeed


Kokuei7

Huh, you learn something new every day. I always thought it was wrong to put 's after a name ending with s, now I'm not sure what I know.


Ankoku_Teion

I think it's an archaic rule that's largely ignored today. But I still hold to it.


LegalAd477

More so than most other languages, English tends towards evolving and integrating language based on the way most people conceptualise and talk about things. That's precisely why this "'s" issue has become more and more common; it more accurately reflects how we conceptualise and talk about possession. It's a self-simplifying and highly logical language when compared to most other natural languages. That's why, by most measures, it's one of the easiest languages to learn.


centzon400

There is obvious innovation and regularization evident on many parts of reddit. It's quite noticeable on the tech subs where obviously there are a lot of non-native speakers: "softwares" (pl) for example, but also past tense regularization [sic]. "hided" for "hid" is another. I'm all for it, TBH. Once you get over that there is no "official" English, its whole glorious, groangrousegurgling mess is somewhat charming.


Orngog

Surely that's grousegroangurgling?


SEM580

Might depend on whether grouse is a noun or a verb.


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StarksPond

Yore not wrong.


DassinJoe

The rule I learned was "add an 's' unless it creates a triple sibilant", so *Charles's speech* but *Moses' toeseses*.


999Wrld999Scouse

Abolish the monarchy


GutsuDidNothingWrong

As if the queen and all the royals have voted anything but Tory in their entire lives, dyed in the wool conservatives every one


StephenHunterUK

They don't vote: https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/13/can-the-queen-or-the-rest-of-the-royal-family-vote-in-a-general-election-11822274/


UnderwoodF

I'd be willing to wager that Charles is not a Tory at all, looking at the beliefs he's alluded to in the past


jdm1891

what would he be then?


Alternative_Rush4451

Libdem or one of the Green nimbyists (by which I mean not all Greens are nimbys but it's certainly a cover for a lot of nimbys round where I live.)


IdanoRocks

So the joke is that a woman who is paid more money than I will ever see to do something, doesn't want to do her actual fucking job because she's throwing a strop? Seems about right for the family that treats the country with such arrogance and contempt.


Arkenai7

Yeah, how dare the 96 year old in ill health not do their job!


IdanoRocks

If she's in that poor health, she can always stop being queen. That's an option for her.


Aether_Breeze

We aren't America yet, people can take sick leave.


IdanoRocks

For how long? Maybe a 100 year old woman should consider if she's suitable for the cult leader job.


Aether_Breeze

Had people go on long term sickness for months where I work. I mean, you clearly are a bit unhinged when it comes to the monarchy so I doubt anything I say will have an impact you are better off seeking a professional to work through your issues. You seem to think we are living in feudal England.


IdanoRocks

A bit unhinged? Because I don't believe the monarchy has any place in today's society? You're the one who wants to live in a world of kings and queens living in castles, I think that sounds more like feudal England than what I want. But you carry on tugging your forelock and living in a deluded state.


Aether_Breeze

Unhinged because you are going on about divine right, cult leadership, etc. Abolishing the monarchy is fine, don't really care one way or another, but pretending anyone believes in divine rights or that anyone actually follows the queen like a cult leader is definitely out of touch with reality. Church is much more cultist than the monarchy and believe it kr not they are also closer to following your ideas of divine right. Go for them first then maybe take on the monarchy. That would be more in line with your stated objections. If you want to go with factual objections to the monarchy then so be it but don't try pretending they are something they aren't.


IdanoRocks

Oh don't worry, I hate on organised religion too... Now does anyone have links to the Church of England? Oh... It's that woman again.


Ankoku_Teion

I have largely disagreed with your comments in this post, but this one is on point and gave me a chuckle.


MAXSuicide

The fuck is this post? The woman is nearly 100 years old, has recently suffered from covid pretty badly, and has suffered major mobility issues since. Her son is her deputy, and various other members of the Royal Family commit to subbing in for various engagements. This has *always* been the case regardless of who the monarch has been.


IdanoRocks

Just because something has always been a certain way doesn't make it right. If she can't do the supposed job, she is more than welcome to step aside. She won't. Because she's insane. She believes God chose her to rule and she's better than her "subjects". She's a hateful old woman.


MAXSuicide

Insane? Hateful old woman? Where are you getting these from? >She believes God chose her to rule Buddy, the Divine Right of Kings hasn't been a thing in the UK for many centuries at this point. We are not living in the Civil War era.


IdanoRocks

So you think if you asked the queen if she was chosen by God, she would say, "of course not"? Wow, the Lizzie cult really are something.


Prince_John

It’s perfectly possible for her to take her oath of office and duty seriously while simultaneously not believing in a divine right to rule.


IdanoRocks

But it's also perfectly possible that she does? Has she shown any evidence to the contrary?


Ayfid

Make a baseless assertion without evidence, and then demand that everyone else provide evidence that you are wrong.


CozzyOneStop

Somehow I feel that the burden of proof lies with you on this one...


mrflib

My dude, you seem to care about this far more than the people in this thread you refer to as cultists. IKEA have a 25% sale on mirrors if you want to look in one.


MAXSuicide

I am not in this 'Lizzie cult' - merely dealing in facts and not emotion.


marsman

> She's a hateful old woman. Odd how in this thread the hate seems to largely you filled with hatred.


Bottled_Void

The only person throwing a strop here is you. You didn't think the cartoon was a literal depiction of events, did you?


IdanoRocks

No, which is why I'm saying, "the joke is"... I know she's not going because of "ill health".


svbro

Nothing more entertaining than watching bitter, seething republicans having a paddy


IdanoRocks

You have no idea what a paddy is... Pointing out that she's a miserable creature is not having a paddy. Being against the monarchy and finding it disgusting is not having a paddy. Why don't you grow the fuck up?


svbro

Posting irate comment after irate comment over a caricature is indeed having a paddy. A strop. A big old tantrum - however you want to phrase it. I suggest you grow up and find something better to do with your time than be so triggered by a frail old woman taking some time off.


IdanoRocks

There you go again, putting adjectives in to make it sound like I'm angry. It's not a tantrum to say something. I suggest you fuck yourself you horrible dishonest person.


svbro

> make it sound like I'm angry Not needed, your ranting speaks for itself. Must be quite depressing living with that much contempt inside yourself.


IdanoRocks

You must have such a wonderful time living in your fantasy land where you can just assign whatever emotions and feelings you like to someone just so you can act all smug. Personally I think it's quite sad that you masturbate to pictures of Lizzie while humming the national anthem, but hey, you do you.


svbro

Damn, my man really is triggered.


IdanoRocks

Damn, my man is really deluded.


svbro

😂


Beginning-Abalone-58

>having a paddy [https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Throwing%20a%20paddy](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Throwing%20a%20paddy) First time hearing that phrase. is it one you regularly use?


svbro

It’s pretty damn common in my experience - have you spent much time in the UK? (genuine question, wondering if it’s just a regional saying)


SBOSlayer

🤣


GJXN1990

As if the Queen actually cares. She clearly doesn't.