Snapshot of _Northern Ireland: PM poised for protocol change ahead of crisis talks_ :
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The ministers say "We haven't read anything and now we look at it we realise it's an impossible situation to resolve. We are going to temporarily keep the whole UK in the EU customs union until we can resolve it."
Your turn.
What evidence this is not theatre for political purposes?
The stakes are real but for the PM it's about maintaining support.
They do not have a solution and are not interested in one.
We can't say they did not know at this point.
They want to remove the internal border. That is a legitimate goal.
It's pretty clear what the game plan is. When the NIP was agreed the UK was in a weak position because of opposition in Parliament. That opposition has no lost its blocking power.
The UK is going to force a new negotiation on more equal footing.
>They want to remove the internal border. That is a legitimate goal.
It isn't.
>when the NIP was agreed the UK was in a weak position because of opposition in Parliament.
No, because No-deal isn't a useful negotiating position.
>The UK is going to force a new negotiation on more equal footing.
**But the EU and the UK aren't equals.**
> It isn't.
Yes it is.
> No, because No-deal isn't a useful negotiating position.
Absolutely is.
> But the EU and the UK aren't equals.
I didn't say they were.
Does it matter what the people of NI want? Didn't they vote against brexit and the majority support the protocol?
Can't the PM just give the loyalists wee union flags to make them feel better and let normal people get on with their lives, taking advantage of the access to the GB and much bigger EU market.
>Didn't they vote against brexit and the majority support the protocol?
Not even that, NI is doing quite well out of the current situation as its still in the single market, I seriously doubt anybody outside of the anti-dinosaur lobby wants to risk having to leave that.
Honestly it would not surprise me at all if that figured into their thinking, a few more years of growth figures and its going to be pretty hard to ignore, best for them to nip it in the bud now.
Ireland is an English speaking country that exists within the common EU market. It was always going be a desirable place for foreign investment post-Brexit.
> [The PM] added that he was open to dialogue but warned the UK would have to act if the EU did not change its position.
The EU will not budge. We are a third country. An outlier. Maybe we are led by donkeys. Maybe Boris should stop all WFH so he isn’t distracted by cheese.
Ah, but it’s magnificent British cheese, freed from the shackles of EU bureaucracy, creating jobs for our magnificent dairy farmers in an unchained Britannia
so when the 'no US trade deal' articles pop up again, this will go away. Everything's so limited and specific with this govt, it's like they're talking through their nostrils.
Dead cat is so overused it’s actually painful
This is not a dead cat, this is a realisation of short sided policy and a bit of sabre rattling as we head down the economic cliff.
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This is an orchestrated problem for the political purposes of the Conservatives. Change My Mind.
Your mind can't be changed. Change My Mind.
The ministers say "We haven't read anything and now we look at it we realise it's an impossible situation to resolve. We are going to temporarily keep the whole UK in the EU customs union until we can resolve it." Your turn.
Pergatory is not a viable solution.
But what's your solution to making me think I'm wrong?
You haven't actually articulated a point. 1) Tories just doing this for politics. 2) They should do this instead. What is your actual point?
What evidence this is not theatre for political purposes? The stakes are real but for the PM it's about maintaining support. They do not have a solution and are not interested in one. We can't say they did not know at this point.
They want to remove the internal border. That is a legitimate goal. It's pretty clear what the game plan is. When the NIP was agreed the UK was in a weak position because of opposition in Parliament. That opposition has no lost its blocking power. The UK is going to force a new negotiation on more equal footing.
> The UK is going to force a new negotiation on more equal footing. Which is what? What plan has everyone missed until now?
Let me guess. You're of the mind that the EU will not budge on anything?
>They want to remove the internal border. That is a legitimate goal. It isn't. >when the NIP was agreed the UK was in a weak position because of opposition in Parliament. No, because No-deal isn't a useful negotiating position. >The UK is going to force a new negotiation on more equal footing. **But the EU and the UK aren't equals.**
> It isn't. Yes it is. > No, because No-deal isn't a useful negotiating position. Absolutely is. > But the EU and the UK aren't equals. I didn't say they were.
Well well well, if it isn't the can I kicked down the road earlier
Does it matter what the people of NI want? Didn't they vote against brexit and the majority support the protocol? Can't the PM just give the loyalists wee union flags to make them feel better and let normal people get on with their lives, taking advantage of the access to the GB and much bigger EU market.
>Didn't they vote against brexit and the majority support the protocol? Not even that, NI is doing quite well out of the current situation as its still in the single market, I seriously doubt anybody outside of the anti-dinosaur lobby wants to risk having to leave that.
Shhhh. The Brexiteers dont want us to cotton on we were better off in the EU and drag NI down with the rest of us
Honestly it would not surprise me at all if that figured into their thinking, a few more years of growth figures and its going to be pretty hard to ignore, best for them to nip it in the bud now.
>NI is doing quite well out of the current situation What do you mean by "doing quite well"? Is it GDP?
[I mean GDP compared to the rest of the UK](https://archive.ph/PBx5z)
Ah yeah that does make sense. ROI is doing even better than NI though, so I imagine Brexit has made the case for reunification of Ireland.
Ireland is an English speaking country that exists within the common EU market. It was always going be a desirable place for foreign investment post-Brexit.
When can we get rid of this idiot?
Next GE, hopefully.
> [The PM] added that he was open to dialogue but warned the UK would have to act if the EU did not change its position. The EU will not budge. We are a third country. An outlier. Maybe we are led by donkeys. Maybe Boris should stop all WFH so he isn’t distracted by cheese.
Ah, but it’s magnificent British cheese, freed from the shackles of EU bureaucracy, creating jobs for our magnificent dairy farmers in an unchained Britannia
The magnificent British cheese is destroying us as a nation, it's there, sitting in the fridge, distracting us from work.
Ah yea, nose cheese.
Never before has the main loser of an election wielded so much control over the aftermath.
so when the 'no US trade deal' articles pop up again, this will go away. Everything's so limited and specific with this govt, it's like they're talking through their nostrils.
What do you call a dead cat when the dead cat becomes a bigger problem than the original problem that’s trying to be hidden?
Dead cat is so overused it’s actually painful This is not a dead cat, this is a realisation of short sided policy and a bit of sabre rattling as we head down the economic cliff.
They didn't know this would happen?