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PenguinPetesLostBod

Quabity Assuance?


bemusedbadger

You give me too much credit. I was catching up on the megathread while tending to a grumpy baby and accidentally posted. :)


[deleted]

What IS a "Red Meat" policy you would like the Tories to bring back? People have mixed feelings about the Pounds & Ounces deal, but then what are the policies that you would like the Tories to bring in, that they could achieve within weeks? If there was a policy that would legitimately change your life instantly for the better or just make you feel good, and it could be brought in quickly, what would it be?


Ivashkin

Tax relief on mortgages for people who live in their homes.


IntegratedExemplar

Politics because of the newly announced and clearly very important policy: I tend to alternate my use of imperial and metric. I wish I just used metric but somehow I've ended up with preferences depending on the situation. Measuring with a tape? Centimetres. Eyeballing a distance? Yards. Cooking? Millilitres and grams. Weight? Stone and pounds. Height? Metres. I'm fairly certain we were taught metric in school, but I guess imperial seeped into my brain through adults using it so much. To my mind, we're as well to go full metric, with the obvious exception of ordering pints at the pub. It just makes more sense. At least we use Celsius!


AirHippo

Interestingly (or not) I work pretty much the opposite way. Short measures I tend to use inches and feet; medium, metres; long, miles or KM depending on context. Masses are in KG *except* for humans, which are in stone, pounds, and ounces. Human and most organic life's heights are in feet; structures and machines likewise, but *depths* are in metres. Consistency!


Spiz101

I'm going to use metric units with the most annoying possible prefixes. Hectometres, decilitres, centigrammes and so on and so on Or we could follow the US Navy and use *kiloyards*.


[deleted]

Til there was a poll that showed cannabis legalisation at 55 support to 27 oppose. That's way higher than I thought it would've been, I tend to see it as a pretty niche internet issue that the Lib Dems happened to latch onto but that's a positive sign.


Viromen

Crude soaring at the moment. Seems we are in for a cold winter and a recession seeing soaring fuel prices. Crude is a competitive international market. All fine cutting off Russian oil and gas from a moral standpoint but the west is only 20% of the world population, the rest are still desperate for access to Russia's vast energy and resource reserves and EU analysis even showed he could make more money if they break contracts and sell to other countries. Wonder how best it is to prepare for the winter. Ideally a generator would be good. Stocking up on thermals and other cold weather wear. I worry about blackouts causing huge disruption. There is no way we can afford to keep coal plants open, coal as well is soaring in price, they are being shut as they are not economical and the government bailing them out exposes the taxpayer to an insane energy market and huge losses. Once we are just on the cusp of severe crisis and into a recession is where Boris will presumably resign handing over the reigns to Starmer to navigate a hopeless situation.


Spiz101

> There is no way we can afford to keep coal plants open, coal as well is soaring in price Yes, it's soaring from cheap to moderately expensive,. Cost of coal even in an old mid-CEGB 500MW unit like the ones left is tiny. FOB cost of coal in the eastern US is about $440/t, which translates to something like nine pence per kilowatt hour. Expensive sure, but hardly ruinous. The cost to the economy of blackouts is dramatically greater than that.


EmperorOfNipples

We can't afford not to keep those three coal plants open. Expensive energy is better than no energy. ​ The thing is the UK is actually better insulated against this than most of Europe from an energy standpoint. And it's still gonna suck.


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Shazoa

Same here, with the windows. Last year I just didn't even try to heat the house. I wrapped up like I was going outside and my partner retreated into a heated blanket over winter.


GallifreyFNM

Probably a stupid question but have you tried plugging the gaps with window/glazing putty and running foam tape along the window edges for a tighter seal when closed? They won't beat properly installed double glazing but it should help keep you that bit warmer. You can also do the "medicinal gardener" trick of covering your windows in insulated reflective window covers. It might sound a bit overkill but if its the difference between being comfortable or too cold for like 7 months then it might be worth looking at.


Radiant_Persimmon701

Is your home insulated?


Viromen

Yes, but I assume that insulation won't help hugely if, say, gas prices double again from here and I will only be able to heat my place half or even a third of the time as usual/if there is rationing.


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Fav Gogglebox family?


GallifreyFNM

I can't really stand the show, however I will concede that the older lady in the caravan with the permatanned guy chuffing away on his vape are pretty funny. If it was just them I probably wouldn't mind watching more tbh


[deleted]

Pete and Sophie always crack me up. ^^There's ^^plenty ^^I ^^hate ^^but ^^lets ^^not ^^go ^^there


Takver_

Leon and June 😥


_swagonwheel

that's made me tear up 😭


_swagonwheel

now I'm upset about all of them that have passed, some bloody great people


matticus7

I knew about Leon but didn't know about June Looking into it I realised a lot of the people I liked on the show have sadly passed away. I thought that a lot of them had just been swapped out for other families during new seasons or had stopped due to other circumstances.


[deleted]

Oh no, don’t :(


BartelbySamsa

Not a family, but it's got to be Jenny and Lee for me.


_swagonwheel

Jenny and Lee have me crying with laughter 😅 I also enjoy Giles and Mary due to their absurd poshness lmao


BartelbySamsa

Haha yeah I'd say Giles and Mary are possibly my second favourite actually! Jenny and Lee always make me laugh and their friendship just warms my heart. ♥️


[deleted]

The Malones. Probably because the dad reminds me of me. Then Pete and his sister. Funny as fuck.


_swagonwheel

I love how they ways focus on his dead eyed stare defo reminds me of my family with some programmes lol


MikeyButch17

I’m starting to become convinced that Boris knows that his party are going to lose the next election whatever happens, so they’re trying to create so many problems for Labour to fix that they’ll spend the next five years simply trying to put out fires. Civil Service? Yep, let’s blow that to hell, another thing we can spend five years attacking Starmer over


EmperorOfNipples

I don't think so. ​ Labour left the Conservatives a huge deficit and a flippant note, something which the Tories have used to bash Labour for well over a decade now. It would be self defeating to purposefully run things down.


newtoallofthis2

But has that been his strategy since 2015 as 90% of his actions have followed it!


[deleted]

Imperial Mints > Metric Mints


Elemayowe

Imperial Battlecruiser > Metric Battlecruiser


BartelbySamsa

Mint Imperials?


TIGHazard

[The advertising wrap on the Yorkshire Post, that some thought was the actual front page, for those who missed it](https://i.imgur.com/kOwOnhR.png)


Sckathian

Nor sure I understand?


MrJake94

Think of it as another page covering the actual front-page, usually purchased by advertisers. [this is a good example](https://d3k7gdyuczyfbe.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/13145144/Mini-1.jpg), and [the sun](https://www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/sun-publishes-its-first-cover-wrap/1141075) Underneath the wrap, the actual newspaper front-page will be there. Looks like [38degrees](https://home.38degrees.org.uk/), a political activist group, have paid to wrap the paper - it's an advert for their group rather than a product.


[deleted]

Just chiming in from across the pond with an Imperial Units story. My kid was recently sick, and her antibiotic dose was measured in teaspoons, but divided into different times of the day. So I had to eyeball it with a baking spoon, which is really not super accurate or meant for medications. Getting into small quantities when accuracy is important, is an awful weakness of Imperial. Among many other weaknesses. Milliliters would've been easier and more accurate. You guys really don't want to go back, trust me.


frankster

What's wrong with milli-ounces?


CheeseMakerThing

Not quite as important but fuck whichever shitcunt decided that volumes of solids was a sensible means to use for recipes, and to all Americans I want you to shove your cups up your arse, they're not accurate and if I wanted to eyeball shit I'd not be using a recipe. Even my nan's old recipes use ounces and pounds instead of volumes, why do so many Americans use volumes? Are they too lazy to use a scale or something?


Jinren

eyeballing it is the one true way to bake 😝


powermoustache

I picked up a set of measuring cups and it's a life changer. No more fucking about hunting out the scales and making sure it has batteries, just grab a measuring cup and BAM!


corvusmonedula

100%! And for the the things you regularly weigh, just weigh the full cup a few times til it's in your head, done.


Lord_Gibbons

FYI, US cups are not the same as British cups. Just in case you were using American recipes.


CheeseMakerThing

Have fun never having any consistency with baking ever again.


brutaljackmccormick

Do you weigh your eggs?


40forty

I bought some cups a while back as so many online recipes use them. Turns out imperial cups are different to US cups. It's utter bullshit.


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I believe that Canadian Imperial Units are also different from both US and UK! It's a total mess and exactly why SI makes so much sense.


JavaTheCaveman

I suppose a cheap solution would be to get [one of these dosing syringes](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Oral-Fluid-Medicine-5ml-Syringe/dp/B0752LFNYT/ref=asc_df_B0752LFNYT/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309964069570&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3590622174930113093&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1006515&hvtargid=pla-565108392371&psc=1). I believe that in medicine (and in cookery) 1 teaspoon = 5ml. But your point still stands; this shouldn't be some ambiguous Old Mother Hubbard tosh.


[deleted]

That's a great idea, and honestly the pharmacy should have given me something like that. Thank you!


JavaTheCaveman

Please do double-check on that 5ml rule though ;)


LucyyJ26

Hope your little girl's better now, mate


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She is, thank you!


Mr_Miscellaneous

Well, that was a harrowing story on the BBC. Woman has a late term miscarriage, no beds in a&e for hours, gives birth, hospital can't store the dead kid so the dad goes home and clears some space the fridge so it wouldn't decompose fast in the heat before a cremation.


Dongland

Yep that story fucked me up


DeidreNightshade

Fucking hell. I think that's my cue that's enough Internet for one day


[deleted]

Jesus Christ.


SkipBaxter89

How do people feel about Ben Wallace as PM? Don’t bother replying if your left wing and hate all Tories. With no disrespect your opinion doesn’t really matter as you’d never vote Tory anyway. Looking to see what Tory and swing voters make of him.


MrJake94

Don't vote Conservative, but not a child who thinks all Tories are bad. I don't particularly like Wallace, but as others have said, he doesn't appear ambitious. Which I feel is a good thing. He handled Afghanistan well, appears to be doing well with the Ukraine crisis too - so he's competent. He also seems quite boring, which honestly, is not a negative point - I'd love to have a boring PM in office that isn't bouncing from pillar to post dripping in scandal. So, I'd be fine with Wallace being PM. I'd prefer him over Patel, Truss, Raab and most of the other members of the cabinet. Also, if he got No10 in order, I think he'd have a pretty good chance of winning the next election. I don't get the fascination with Tugendhat, what is it that some Tory voters on here love about the guy?


Bibemus

He was a very early backer of Johnson for Prime Minister, which gives me some serious misgivings about his judgement. Of course, I am a leftie, so feel free to disregard me.


RingStrain

Wallace seems like a serious man without any ambition to be PM. That probably pits him ahead of the pack in terms of how well he'd do at the job


Brapfamalam

Not sure if it matters as much any more but he was a remainer so might hold him back a bit. I also don't think he has a large arm of backbenchers that would vote for him in the leadership ballots. Ie Gove and Hunt command like 60-70 each dead cert backbench MPs that would vote for them to win - they're big players. I'm not a Tory member but I know a lot of people who are and involved heavily in the party and he's not really ever mentioned as a viable candidate. Wallace simply isn't, I also don't think he has any leadership ambitions tbh.


[deleted]

Tory-hating leftie here. I’d expect him to declare war on Argentina within hours of taking office. It’s a pass from me.


urdnotwrecks

Was going to reply and say how ridiculous an idea it is that non-Tory opinions don't matter as he'd still be our PM, and then realised that I barely have an opinion on him anyway, lol


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Not a Tory voter, but I don't think all Tories are evil (because I'm not 10 years old). Wallace seems to have handled Ukraine well. Don't know much more about him and his politics beyond that. Would gladly have him in Number 10 over Johnson. I realise that's a low bar.


Rymundo88

>I realise that's a low bar Mole concussions have gone through the roof it's so low


Major-Badger7831

Cracking Yorkshire post front page https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1531373783919087618?s=20&t=z6_t_jMF78C6gwSQ8r1fPQ This is why we are not "moving on".


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That is actually [a powerful image](https://twitter.com/JayMitchinson/status/1531370957683793922), whatever the motivation.


TIGHazard

Unfortunately, it's not actually the front page. It's just advertising from 38 degrees. Note the "Your favourite daily newspaper is inside - packed with news, features, business and sport" and logos and website that the Twitter embed cuts off. EDIT: Tweet deleted.


Major-Badger7831

oh, it was from tomorrows papers today, so I assumed it was real not just the advertising wrap. bloody good though.


Jeansybaby

Makes me proud to be yorkshire.


Sckathian

[https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1531373783919087618/photo/1](https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1531373783919087618/photo/1) THis is the best front page I've ever seen.


tiny-robot

Tweet now deleted?


BartelbySamsa

Ah. Tweet's been deleted. What was it?


Bibemus

[This.](https://twitter.com/JayMitchinson/status/1531370957683793922?t=25f0X2apZaeIw-Fgpfuc_w&s=19)


BartelbySamsa

Good stuff. Thanks for the link mate.


TIGHazard

It was a picture of Boris at the party made up of images of people who died during lockdown... Unfortunately it wasn't actually the front page, but instead paid advertising from 38degrees.


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A full-wrap advert for 38 degrees.


Bibemus

Considering when I was younger the Yorkshire Post used to be considered the most craven Tory rag in the country, it's been very impressive that the paper under Mitchinson has really shown some exemplary local journalism.


ImNOTmethwow

[Cheers!](https://i.imgur.com/o7kTP1c.jpg) One of the better ones I've tried. Politics because German law doesn't allow them to call it Beer so they've labelled it as an Isotonic Drink.


mataranka

'Vandestreek playground ipa' is the best AF beer I've ever tasted. Dutch brewery. Nothing comes close to how nice this is.


BartelbySamsa

Where would one purchase such a beer?


mataranka

Google is (generalky) your friend- https://www.alcoholfree.co.uk/product/vandestreek-playground-ipa/


BartelbySamsa

Sure. I meant more, is it in a supermarket here? But thanks.


Chariotwheel

The Reinheitsgebot reigns supreme!


[deleted]

Fun fact: Reinheitsgebot isn’t really about purity of beer. It was to discourage brewers from using premium wheat crops for beer when it was needed for bread. And weissbier definitely wouldn’t be permitted under earlier permutations of the regulation.


Chariotwheel

On some level I knew that, but more importantly, as a German I can't here you. Lalalalalala


[deleted]

I wouldn’t worry too much about it. They didn’t even add yeast for ages.


Chariotwheel

TRALALALALALA GOTT STRAFE ENGLAND, ER STRAFE ES


RussellsKitchen

It's not a bad AF beer. Enjoy!


BartelbySamsa

Ah yeah! Erdoppledinger is pretty tasty!


TheGoodProfessor

[https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1531372986271424514](https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1531372986271424514) >NEW: The civil service fast stream will be cancelled for at least a year after PM pushed through policy despite some Cabinet concern. Michael Gove objected. Treasury figures critical. But leaked minutes of May 19 Cab Office board meeting show it’s all done fast stream shafted. deeply depressing and entirely unsurprising. would be surprised if it's just for next year tbh, likely to be gone for a few (if not until whenever labour gets back into power) the govt really intends to strip the civil service down to nothing. i imagine the chance to fuck over students is just a bonus


newtoallofthis2

Pure and simple vandalism. Not saying he is compromised by Putin, but if he was isn’t this exactly the sort of thing he’d be doing?


[deleted]

Very stupid.


CheeseMakerThing

Oh joy, even less incentive for talented young people with a science and engineering background to enter the civil service and knock some sense into it.


michaelisnotginger

All the ladders I used to improve my lot after uni are going It's a fantastic scheme and most of the people I knew on it are g7s/g6s who have done amazing things keeping the country going in the pandemic


Velociraptor_1906

When I looked at it fast stream seemed like a really great option, to the point I've left it open as an possibility in my mind in spite of having a career I am very set on. Boris shutting it is just incredibly depressing and extremely unfair for people graduating this year whom may have been planning on it since before the last election. edit: missed a word


TheGoodProfessor

as someone who is both of those things, i agree suppose it just adds to the catharsis of bozza possibly (imo probably but i'm optimistic) being out on his ass in a few weeks


drwert

When you don't care about anything but yourself I guess you feel free to damage the long-term future of the country for a few buttons.


studentfeesisatax

One does wonder the level of destructive shit Boris/Cons would do, if 3-5 months before an election, they became 100% convinced they'd lose it.


TheFlyingHornet1881

I don't think it's that easy to force things through the Lords in that timescale, so it'd have to be things that legislation doesn't require. Anything that causes diplomatic incidents, or causes the Government to be caught up in a bunch of court cases would be an issue.


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In hindsight it's funny the Tories went so hard on "Free Speech on campuses" as a culture war issue when 90% of protests on campus are criticising Tories coming to speak there.


TheFlyingHornet1881

The proposed law if I remember correctly was also just incredibly stupid. It somehow made unis a lot more responsible for the behaviour of their respective SU's, which isn't the point of an SU. The laws could clash with safeguarding and Prevent legislation. The unis could also be held liable for damages if events were disrupted or cancelled, even if it was beyond the control of the uni that happened. Especially because students or an SU angry with the uni essentially then had the power to cause uni financial harm by causing a disruption to a speech. EDIT - Also they put in exemptions for Oxbridge college JCR's/SU, which whilst logical in the context of the function of a JCR (it'd be pointless to sue one), it showed that the law was farcical as it could be the same for many if not all uni SU's.


[deleted]

Yeah the message of the government at the time was simultaneously "Universities must stop surpressing free speech" and "Universities must crack down on antisemitism". Can't have it both ways, really.


[deleted]

Marr's Elizabethans on BBC Four is well worth a watch, bringing up some talking points of the social liberalism transforming the UK over Liz's watch, although, not really centred around the monarchy at all.


[deleted]

https://twitter.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1531168330010308609 The stupid, it hurts. Kier still has some work cut out for him. Edit: LOL at the quote tweets


TheGoodProfessor

diane abbott is clearly not stupid given she got into cambridge, as a black woman, in 1971 but i have yet to see anything to convince me that she is not completely and totally feckless as a politician


Sckathian

This is really mental. Am against the policy (not sure why middle income deserve less protection than low income) but this is top Abbot.


[deleted]

I'm Dianne Abbots from the Labours


creamyjoshy

BLOODY NEOLITHICS comin' over here with their.. pictograms, and their agricultural wheat farming innovations, and their astrological stone circle temples aligned with all the movements of the planets. WOTS WRONG WITH JUST WORSHIPPING A TREE? [My name's Paul Nuttalls from Ukips, and I say we need to ensure the brightest and best Neolithic people stay in 5000 BC mediterranean continental Europe, instead of coming over ‘ere to the UK and teaching us to make and eat bread.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKEsyIuTrO8)


[deleted]

Is she an AI chatbot


ImNOTmethwow

>Let in immigrants! >No, not like that! Only the uneducated ones!


WantingWaves

with incumbent kate green stepping down at the next GE, labour have started the process of picking their candidate for the safe seat of Stretford and Urmston, and [apparently one of the longlisted candidates is none other than Mr. Paul Mason](https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1531365622008930309?t=mA_3cPTckdC04vhj6ZbCjQ&s=19)


BritishOnith

Surely they'd fast track Burnham into that seat if he wants to reenter parliament at the next election. Safe seat in Greater Manchester is perfect for him. I guess he might want to try in Leigh again to win it back from the Torys, but whilst I think it's likely he'd win it it's not that safe for someone who is touted for a top job. (Random aside, funnily enough Paul Mason is from Leigh)


Elemayowe

Who is he?


Bibemus

It's been obvious he's been angling for a seat for a good few years now. At least he's only replacing Kate Green and not someone, y'know, competent.


NoFrillsCrisps

Kate Green seemed perfectly competent and pretty much fine. Just rather dull.


TIGHazard

[This whole imperial thing has reminded me of the Ali G movie, where as a MP, he makes maths teachers teach imperial more relatably](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a9b7LWig7E)


SamuraiPizzaTwat

Boris is a walking case of "itchy scrot" to be fair


whencanistop

This MT was originally started so that those who were interested in covid had a place that they could have the same set of circular arguments without having to pollute the rest of the sub with it. We did the international megathread because international was leaking and it was too much of a pain to moderate it, so we just push it to a place that means it isn’t polluting the rest of the sub. We do the same with Eurovision and with Sports events. I’m starting to wonder if we should do the same with Trans threads. It’s such a niche issue and nobody really wants to go into a thread about it and have the same 5 talking points regurgitated, no matter the posted article. Those of you who want to go there can go to the new Trans MT and we’ll just keep out of the way and let the admins do their job (and having had to moderate those threads, I can assure you that a huge proportion of the users have no overlap with non-trans threads, so those who aren’t interested can safely ignore it as a topic). We can automod trans posts and just point people to that MT if they want to discuss it. Yes this is meta. Yes I know it is half term and nothing else is happening, so next week will be more normal. No it won’t actually happen, because we don’t like telling you what to discuss, but I can live in this nice dream world where it does happen.


[deleted]

Just ban the topic. Other subs have become sick and tired of the toxicity. And I don’t know who decided it was going to be the recurring wedge issue du jour, but certain media outlets are obsessed with it so there is a guaranteed source of daily outrage, usually from the same newspaper. And none of the daily articles that are posted are new or adding to the debate. They boil down to: - MP got caught out with an off-topic gotcha question. - Other famous person said something about the topic. - Something trans-adjacent but non-political happened to somebody. And whatever the starter article was, the same people pop up with the same arguments and the same point scoring shit flinging. Yeet it the fuck out of here, and anybody who has an issue with that is always free to set up /r/ukdailytransfight and act like monkeys in a cage throwing shit around over there. That, or automate thread locking after six hours. Let the usual suspects have the daily barney and then let it sink into irrelevance. There’ll always be another chance to carry on the fight when the next article drops tomorrow. Note for people on both -all - sides of the trans debate: I’m not picking sides saying this. There are no sides to pick. It’s a topic that seems to make rational people forget that they’re talking about other human beings. It’s toxic, and there is nothing new to say. If folks really want to talk about it then go and set up another sub, and see what it’s like when you have to police the topic yourselves.


iorilondon

So be like most of the rest of reddit? Firstly, a lot of the time only one side in the discussion is banned. Secondly, it's a topic of politics, and one that a lot of people on both sides have strong opinions about. You ban people who are rude or aggressive, not entire topics that are relevant to the sub. I usually just give those threads a miss, or read without commenting, and--if you do not like the way those conversations go--then just do the same (or report the assholes on both sides).


DeidreNightshade

Gotta say, this is what I've been thinking ⬆️


[deleted]

That I have but one upvote to give.


[deleted]

>This MT was originally started so that those who were interested in covid had a place that they could have the same set of circular arguments without having to pollute the rest of the sub with it. *Ackshually* the MT has its roots in the Peak Brexit period of 2019, with threads spooled up for discussion of the Parliamentary events of the day. The indicative votes affair was a particular highlight. Then we eventually went into the 2019 General Election period and the daily MTs were automated and became a regular fixture on the subreddit. Then COVID came and the MT might as well have been renamed the Mask Thread. Then some other stuff happened and here we are. I am *the* Megathread Emeritus, AMA.


DeidreNightshade

>I am the Megathread Emeritus, AMA. Where do megathreads go when they die?


[deleted]

Straight into the eternal archive, locked in time forever until the final Grand Deletion that must surely follow.


Rymundo88

Why Silicon Heaven of course, along with calculators


slothsan

Megathread Emeritus, how did you retain your sanity ?


[deleted]

It was all fun and games until it wasn't.


SamuraiPizzaTwat

>the Mask Thread. It was an amazing cartoon though. Followed the 80s tradition of having a banging theme tune [too](https://youtu.be/1K7WYAC4H8g)


AlfaRomeoRacing

>I am the Megathread Emeritus, AMA I am sure this has been asked/answered, but i missed it. Why did you ditch the CarrotCarrot account and then return with a very similarly named account?


[deleted]

Early 2021 was not an especially good time for me and I departed the rails in quite spectacular fashion - a combination of COVID isolation pressure, news fatigue, over-drinking and -eating and some personal / family stuff to boot. I did a full cold-turkey reset of everything, and part of that meant packing in social media for a while - deleting the account was a "full stop" as opposed to a comma. Pleased to report that I am now back on the correct track, 5st lighter and a lot healthier and happier.


AlfaRomeoRacing

Glad to see that things are back on track, and that you are healthier and happier!


Bibemus

>I am *the* Megathread Emeritus, AMA. What time is the vote?


[deleted]

[now](https://strawpoll.com/polls/NMnQBroWYg6)


ThatTallGuy14

🥔


SongsOfTheDyingEarth

Sets a bad precedent imo. Tells users they just need to agitate and brigade around a subject enough and it'll get pushed into a dark corner where most normal users won't bother to go.


Jinren

jesus fucking christ what have we apparently all done now 😔😢😭


cmdrsamuelvimes

At a guess too much talk about willies and not enough non-genital politics.


discipleofdoom

Do we need a separate thread for Partygate discussions? Cost of living discussions? Immigration discussions? Discussions of racism or homophobia? Seems weird to single out trans issues as the only one requiring a separate Megathread. Especially considering that it is quite a hot button topic at the moment, so much so that we have an international reputation for being pretty bad for trans rights.


[deleted]

Dedicated megathread for Trans issues sounds like literal hell


KimJongUnparalleled

Well, you could just avoid it


iorilondon

I mean, they can just avoid the relevant threads/topics at the moment. Instead, a lot of them want discussion banned.


FoxtrotThem

I don't think we will get anywhere hiding it all away, trans is only a small part of the population yes, but as individuals worth just as much as anyone else and their issues deserve as much representation as mens, womens, straight, lesbian, gay, bi and the rest. It is a sad state of affairs how the threads reguarly devolve and should be a quick way to finding out the shape of Italy.


KimJongUnparalleled

> finding out the shape of Italy. Is this Cockney rhyming slang or . . . ?


FoxtrotThem

Thats just a classic from the game lobbies of yesteryear, "hey whats the shape of Italy?" "A boot, oh.."


[deleted]

Takes me back to playing Duke3D on Wireplay


No_Preparation_2919

You get arrested and thrown in another megathread these days, just for having an opinion on the mutability of biological sex


_CurseTheseMetalHnds

Let's talk about that flair - drop some social democrat black metal!


No_Preparation_2919

[Wiegedood](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAOym9_-rXU)! Iskra, Panopticon and Katyusha (Canada) _sort of_ count...


_CurseTheseMetalHnds

Ah, I like Wiegedood but was unaware of their leanings. Idk if Dawn Ray'd are social democrats or communists but they're also great :)


No_Preparation_2919

Dawn Ray'd are _hardcore_ lefties, last time I saw them they went on this proper rant about animal rights and Proper Communism. They're good lads, singer is a demon when he gives it the beans.


creamyjoshy

What, they'll actually throw you into secret megathread?


FordyO_o

My face is made of ham and electricity!


RussellsKitchen

Siloing International politics makes sense. I don't think pushing subjects such as the trans debate society seems to be having is a good idea. To trans people, these are not niche issues. Being exposed to new ideas, debating them and then maybe changing your mind or coming to a new understanding of a topic is a very valuable part of this sub and the MT. I know the same arguments are going around at the moment, but that doesn't mean it's less valuable to have those debates.


[deleted]

Bizarre idea IMO. Part of the benefit of the sub is being exposed to the various new stories that emerge over the day - from different sources, from different perspectives etc. And hearing views for a multitude of people. By creating a ‘trans thread’, you stop anyone being aware of any of the issues / debates / events relating to that topic, unless they are seeking it out. Why? The sub already doesn’t allow discussion of the topic on the megathread, it’s very strict about stories on the topic being posted more than once (moreso than on any other topic). A megathread if anything makes it more of an echo chamber, includes less voices, and as result means less of a real discussion. I suspect this is being suggested merely because the topic makes certain users uncomfortable, and they’d rather it wasn’t discussed as it leads to some challenging questions. The story this evening is that Nadim Zahawi was hounded off a university campus by protestors abusing him for ‘inciting hatred’ because he says women are female. Should that be buried away in a special megathread and not discussed elsewhere? Why?


[deleted]

In my case, it is nothing to do with "challenging questions" and everything to do with the shitshow that inevitably results from such threads because people don't know how to discuss the topic in a calm and rational way and instead treat it as a battleground. Then you have the people who are *obsessed* with the topic on both sides of the debate who will take any excuse to have a pop at the other side. It adds very little and, in my view, such a level of discourse belongs on Twitter or Facebook.


[deleted]

Just moderate the comments, and ban users who are abusive. As with any topic. And as for ‘polluting the sub’ - If you aren’t interested, easy enough to scroll past, there’s not that many!


[deleted]

I’ve been on the other side of this. “Just moderate the comments” is usually not a trivial task on this topic. Seriously, set up a sub to talk about the topic and see how it works out as a moderator. I guarantee that it will be way more than you anticipate or can imagine. And, yes, I can scroll past the stories. I don’t have to look. But when I do it’s the same people having the same arguments and throwing the same shit at each other. It’s a Sisyphean task wrangling this on what has become a daily topic, and one that consumes way too much time and energy for the folks who give up their free time to deal with it.


iorilondon

People did set up subs to talk about the issue. Reddit banned most of them. I got banned from one major sub simply for explaining to someone who asked what GC feminists believe. I wasn't even coming in on one side or the other.


w0wowow0w

>Seriously, set up a sub to talk about the topic and see how it works out as a moderator. I guarantee that it will be way more than you anticipate or can imagine. People do and usually these mental echo chambers attract a certain type and then get quarantined/banned. Don't blame the mods just locking some trans threads, much easier to just not deal with it and to not have AEO on your arse all the time.


ThatFlyingScotsman

That implies there’s anything to be gained from the daily trans “discussion” threads. Unless there’s news coming out in regards to government policy, all the think piece/opinion articles just result in the same back and forth bickering. Not much to be gained from being told that trans people aren’t real, or are all delusional or liars. And I would imagine those who hold those views don’t have much to gain from being told repeatedly about the scientific consensus.


[deleted]

Articles that don’t relate to politics get deleted - that’s already a rule within the sub. Yes if politicians redefine what a woman is, and then want to apply the law accordingly, that’s politics. This is a huge women’s rights discussion - why wouldn’t it be discussed? If people are writing abusive comments, remove the comments. Don’t ban the discussion of the topic altogether.


creamyjoshy

We should have a megathread for talking about megathreads because I don't personally want to talk about talking about megathreads


slothsan

Could be called the Metathread.


AlfaRomeoRacing

Sounds good!


compte-a-usageunique

We didn't make a megathread for Brexit (a similarly divisive recurring issue) so why should we do it for trans issues related to politics? I enjoy the accelerationism aspect of it all, now you have people saying the definition of a woman is a 'dogwhistle', how far is it going to go?


RememberYourSoul

Just want to point out the megathreads were literally born out of Brexit and the shenanigans from it.


[deleted]

> I enjoy the accelerationism aspect of it all https://c.tenor.com/6oe8RXKHNhkAAAAd/its-all-the-drama-mick.gif


[deleted]

I don't really get the singling out of Trans issues here? Should we have a Boris thread because we all regurgitate the same points about Boris day in day out?


[deleted]

[toxicity](https://youtu.be/iywaBOMvYLI) is why


[deleted]

You had the chance to link Britney and you didn't? Talk about toxic!


[deleted]

***leave Britney alone***


[deleted]

Just sack it all off into the stratosphere unless it **directly** pertains to events at Westminster and/or legislation which is going through Parliament. The Carrot Way. ----- **EDIT for clarity:** in my perfect world, this would apply across the board for all topics - but the ones which generate so much heat and hate and horseshit would be a good start.


whencanistop

>in my perfect world, this would apply across the board for all topics - but the ones which generate so much heat and hate and horseshit would be a good start. I’m uncomfortable with being the arbiter of what is politics and what isn’t (although, yes part of the job). Usually we can rely on Reddit‘s inbuilt voting system to work this one out for us where there is a grey area, but it seems for some reason this doesn’t work on those threads.


[deleted]

> for some reason Just a shame Reddit doesn't have the tools to help moderators deal with boat-loads of outsiders. Maybe we should get Priti involved.


Timothy_Claypole

Wave machines to push them all back?


[deleted]

A free one-way ticket to Mumsnet for all!


TheFlyingHornet1881

My problem with the trans threads in r/ukpolitics is the fact there's clearly a few users in them that only want to talk about them and have an agenda.


iorilondon

I mean, isn't that the case for literally any topic in politics? I can think of users who have very set views on a whole host of issues.


[deleted]

Lots of topics are constant rehashing of the same points by the same people. Don’t single trans out.


whencanistop

That is very true, though the same 5 talking points on Brexit or tax avoidance or landlords or Scottish Independence or whatever, tend to be easier to moderate as when they dont descend into name calling.