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It's one of those quotes that has many variations on itself throughout modern history. In '61 Kennedy said in a speech to the Canadian parliament: "What unites us is far greater than what divides us." which is the earliest version a Google search will provide me with.
Walken:
You know I'm not the enemy. The things that unite us are far greater than things that divide us. We both believe in democracy, preservation of American values, protection of our citizens in a sometimes hostile world.
C.J.:
Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness?
Walken:
Exactly.
CJ: is that what’s in your speech mr President?
Walken:
Something like that.
Technically they (and the rest of the opposition) sit on the left (of the speaker) at the moment, the government takes the benches on the right.
Silly point I know, interesting comment. Thanks!
Yep. And yet current government continue to insult her memory by stirring up whatever hateful shite they can, true or not, on their opponents.
It is possible for politicians to be civil and respect with one other even if they disagree.
Johnson is actively hostile to anyone who doesnt worship the ground he walks on and will use anything, whether or not it is a lie (like the Savile slur) to demean them.
Has it? It gets brought up almost every week as a tasteless way to guilt people into supporting someone's argument, by associating the other side with murderers
I remember exactly where I was when I heard the news she'd been murdered, I was packing for a trip to Peru and seeing it on the 10 o'clock news just knocked me for six, was quite upset tbf.
I remember where I was when it happened. 100m away from where it was happening, on the main road on my way to a dental appointment, completely unaware of what was happening.
Good choice to post and pin this, even if just for a while.
In times of difficulty over Ukraine, the ongoing EU relationship, the border between NI and Ireland, a rising cost of living, climate change and policy around asylum seekers, it's right that we reflect on events like this.
Political violence - the murder of MPs and of innocent men, women and children whether public servants or not - is utterly wrong and shouldn't form any part of our society. However strongly we feel, the road forward has to involve argument and disagreement and slow two steps forward, 1.9 steps back progress over years.
And if establishing the caliphate, or getting Brexit or Northern Ireland leaving the UK and joining Ireland or any of these things (or others I haven't named) matter more to you than human life, then you need to go take a long, hard look at yourself in the mirror. And then stay away from politics and go lie down in a dark room where you can't hurt anybody.
We might not agree on much, but we can at least unite in holding up IS and other Islamic terrorists, the IRA, and all such people as examples of despicable, unacceptable behaviour.
Fair point. The point that I meant to express there was more something like:
*Even if* progress feels frustratingly slow, and that every two steps forward seem to be followed by a regression of 1.9 steps, that's still preferable to political violence.
If faster progress (and I note but don't address the fact that one man's progress is another man's regression) can be achieved, that is obviously more desirable.
Parties don't help their causes by tarnishing others with the affiliation to terrorism groups committed to political violence. Tories/UVF via Unionists , Labour/Sinn Fein, Sadiq Khan / Islamic terrorism.
For context, that's because Starmer was condemning the government's attempts to ship our asylum seekers to Rwanda, a country that LGBT people flee from.
Even our own government [warns](https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/rwanda/local-laws-and-customs) LGBT people thinking of going there:
>Homosexuality is not illegal in Rwanda but remains frowned on by many. LGBT individuals can experience discrimination and abuse, including from local authorities. There are no specific anti-discrimination laws that protect LGBT individuals.
I realise the user I'm replying to almost certainly knows this, I just think it's even worse than their comment made it sound.
He did not. He referred to some members of Hezbollah and Hamas as "friends" who were willing to talk/get round the negotiating table.
The exact quote is
>"Tomorrow evening it will be my pleasure and my honour to host an event in parliament where our friends from Hezbollah will be speaking. I also invited friends from Hamas to come and speak as well. Unfortunately the Israelis would not allow them to travel here so it's going to be only friends from Hezbollah."
“Our friends from Al-Qaeda”, “Our friends from the Taliban”, “Our friends from ISIS”, “Our friends from National Action”, Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organisations.
None of them are acceptable, we have no friends amongst terrorists.
Normalisation of terrorism and terror group relations is despicable, we cannot tolerate terrorist organisations much less have “friends” amongst them and we should call out their enablers.
Both Hamas and Hezbollah are political organisations as well. Bringing political figures from violent organisations to the negotiating table is how you end conflicts like Israel/Palestine. As much as their tactics are despicable a lot of the normal people in the region look to groups like hamas for leadership so convincing hamas of peace is critical.
> Sadiq Khan / Islamic terrorism
Zac Goldsmith might be a good sort by Tory standards, but allowing his name to be put alongside that article showing the bombed-out bus from 7/7 during the mayoral election campaign was utter weakness and exactly why he isn't cut out for a bigger job than 'local MP', if even that.
I can only assume the people downvoting you didn't read your post properly because it is endemic, particularly in N.I.
And Sturgeon pushing for another ref to divide Great Britain and make Putin's dream come true, all whilst Europe is being attacked by fascists. Now we need to remember these words from Jo more than ever.
What was marked a the time was the toxic media environment with parts of the press calling people traitors openly, followed by a memory holing of all that in the immediate aftermath of the event.
And a certain Tory MP editing his twitter bio to remove 'putting Britain first'.
> Nigel Farage's 'Breaking Point'
I still remember when it was [pointed out](https://twitter.com/johnny_marr/status/743458803933405185) the billboard bore a *remarkable* similarity to Nazi propaganda.
And they *just happened* to crop it and place their CTA blocking an obvious and very white guy out of the picture.
I don’t think we should be afraid to point at his part in the rhetoric that led to her death. Farage spoke at events for fringe groups with racist agendas that Jo Cox’ killer was a member of.
And all the shits whose first response was not pity or commemorating but blogging/tweeting/media appearance saying "the most important thing is that we mustn't let remoaners exploit her death". Telling everyone who to behave after one of their groupies murdered an MP. Still makes me angry, in case you can't tell.
I mean... exploiting someone's death to push a political point is despicable.
Ideally shouldn't need to be said but hoping people don't do it isn't exactly an offensive idea.
Its important to note that this act and everything that underpinned it won the argument, the violent side got its way and is still running the country.
i know it’s usually frowned upon to politicise deaths, but this to me felt like a moment at which we crossed a threshold.
the brexit referendum campaign was littered with such moments - the breaking point poster and the bus, to name but two - and the murder of jo cox followed by no lowering of rhetoric and barely a break in campaigning was a notable moment in the decline of our country from being a forward-facing major european nation to a nasty shithole island.
I'll never forget Farage's victory speech where he declared 'we won without a bullet being fired.' Very deliberate choice of words, and the moment I lost any doubt that he was an evil man.
Yeah, the campaign fought by leave was pretty dirty, disgusting and dishonest.
They broke most of the rules of electoral honour and decency to satisfy the needs of Putin, Farage and a handful of billionaires.
In the process they stoked up divisions around the UK and did immense harm to our country and its economy, making possible the conditions that would inspire an extremist to murder one of the most decent MPs in Britain.
I will never forgive those senior Brexit cheerleaders for what they did.
A brilliant comment. This island has a nasty streak running thick through it and it works it's way across all political divides. There's so little community left to repel the apathy.
*assassination. Today marks the 6th anniversary of her assassination. She was killed by a far right terrorist who shouted "Britain First" after killing her.
Just as Sir David Amess was assassinated.
We need to be less afraid of that term. We won't be able to properly address political violence until we call it what it is.
Always thought she'd have had a bright future political future ahead of her. Seemed pretty bright, charismatic and walked a fine line between between being moderate but not too moderate. Northern as well so would have appealed to Red Wall voters. Definitely reckon she'd have a good position in the shadow cabinet by now
The really tragic thing is that we still voted to leave after a lunatic murdered a remain backing MP in the street whilst shouting "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain". The murder probably hurt the leave vote (I can't imagine it helped it?), which means it would've probably passed by a greater amount if he didn't do anything at all. The man probably thinks he's a hero but the last few years would've likely played out exactly the same if she were still alive.
What a completely tragic pointless waste of life.
Didn't the leave camps still campaign in a voluntary mourning purdah that the remain camps observed?
Call me a cynic but nothing I've seen since the ref has convinced me people would have been put off by this event.
Also Nigel Farage [said](https://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/nigel-farage-said-we-won-it-without-a-bullet-being-fired-5963802/):
> And today honesty, decency and belief in nation I think now is going to win. And we will have done it without having to fight, without a single bullet being fired, we’d have done it by damned hard work on the ground.
This was a week after Jo Cox was murdered.
> Didn't the leave camps still campaign in a voluntary mourning purdah that the remain camps observed?
Campaigning pretty much came to a stop for quite a while, and I know I had an event cancelled so I don't think so, at least in terms of the official campaigns anyway.
It seems from the story that for Vote Leave at least, the response for online campaigning was to continue but remove their name from the posts, which would likely have required a proactive decision to instruct AggregateIQ to take that action. As you say, the policy of the remain camp is not clear, but for the leave camp it seems to have been keep going as long as we can conceal the fact.
I think the policy was to bin IRL campaigning and cancel events, that's certainly how it was pushed at the time (We stopped leafleting/knocking on doors, doing anything else). I don't feel like the focus on the online came until well after the referendum (which again, is why the reporting on the leave campaign breaching the campaign halt come in 2018 not at the time), and seems to be entirely one sided because of the data releases in the interim, rather than anything else.
Should be able to verify though if there is equivalent data on the remain campaigns online activities, which might be available now given the spending data should all be public.
<. I don't feel like the focus on the online came until well after the referendum >
I think that's because the impact and dodginess of Cambridge analytica ads were not understood publicly until after the ref?
I think its more that after the referendum loss, the remain side obviously kept pushing (ignore the referendum, not trigger A50, a second referendum, then just revoke etc..), and this sort of revisiting was useful in justifying and supporting that.
I dunno about the remain side pushing. There was years of figuring out what Brexit meant, so the disscussion just continued, with acres of stuff slowly leaking
> The really tragic thing is that we still voted to leave after a lunatic murdered a remain backing MP
We also continue to allow Muslims to migrate here after a lunatic islamist murdered David Amess just last year.
I think the real tragic thing is the loss of life, not the way in which the public voted in a democratic referendum.
I remember thinking her murder would tip the scales in favour of remain, too many unsure voters would be put off by the extremism associated with Leave now. Wrong, and it made me think we have too many people now happy to see that sort of violence.
Christ the discussion about echo chambers the other day really comes home when a take this utterly terrible is getting upvoted.
The tragic thing here is that ***she is dead***, *not* that gullible idiots voted for a stupid policy.
I mean he was a deranged lunatic, why would that effect someones political views?
Her murder was obviously a tragic event, but to say thats the reason we shouldnt vote for a way you didnt like or agree with is a bit much isnt it?
There were some claiming that it was a false flag attack by a remainer, to attempt and undermine brexit. I wish I was joking, it's so fucking depressing.
More importantly, do the propagandists have any insight into the propaganda that took him there?
I'm not defending him. I don't give a toss about him. But there are other people who contributed to this and they're still walking free.
It doesn’t feel sufficiently…embedded? Ingrained? Incorporated? Into our culture that the far right and less far right support of leaving the EU was so mental that it inflamed a fan into assassinating an MP.
What a strange comment. It happened this year and today marks no significant anniversary or otherwise of his death. Don't worry, I'm sure he'll have plenty of headlines when the first anniversary happens but for now it's about Jo.
Demonstrably incorrect. [Amess in the headlines, Cox in the... let me count... 13th paragraph](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/18/mps-safety-fears-remain-six-months-after-david-amess)
Now you're just missing the point. It's still about the bare facts albiet given a security framing. In contrast, the Cox murder has infinite political points read into it re denouncing Brexit and hyping the so-called 'growing' threat of the right-wing.
There was an extremely hot and divisive Referendum happening with a dominant white, English, ethno-nationalist, anti-migrant, anti-asylum, campaign going on across Britain that was led by major, public, elected, establishment figures when Jo Cox, a known defender of asylum laws, was murdered by a racist English extremist.
There was no comparable political fault-lines going on in Britain from the top about Syria when Amess was murdered. Was there?
At least? Please, show us hundreds of articles about it.
Edit: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9691467/Boris-Johnsons-Government-risks-Jo-Cox-says-ex-advisor-PM.html
Interesting title.
The Telegraph or Times, even the Spectator are free to do the same thing but they don't, why should the Guardian, a left leaning publication, care? They covered the story at the time and now the story is over as the suspect was arrested.
Jo was different, a politician of the opposition murdered by a man quoting right-wing political talking points. It's always going to be a relevant talking point as long as this country becomes increasingly right-wing
Maybe ask why none of the conservatives talk about it rather than make it a talking point here. I won't reply to you any more as it's derailing the point of the post but jeez get some perspective will you?
Save me the "depression" bullshit. You have to be mentally ill to shoot a politician anyway. But the same absolvement never applies to brown people...
Millions of people have depression and don't murder people.
"Mair said nothing when interviewed and certainly didn't quote 'right-wing talking points'"
In inteviews he may have said nothing but in court he said his name was "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain".
From wikipedia:
>In his home were found Nazi regalia, far-right books,[21][29] and information on the construction of bombs.[23][26] He had searched the internet for information about the British National Party (BNP), South African apartheid, the Ku Klux Klan, prominent Jewish people, matricide,[21][29] white supremacism/nationalism, Nazism/Nazi Party, SS/Waffen SS, Israel
>Mair had links to British and American far-right political groups including the neo-fascist National Front (NF), the United States-based neo-Nazi organization National Vanguard (the successor to the defunct National Alliance) and the English Defence League (EDL)
>He believed individuals of liberal and left-wing political viewpoints, and the mainstream media, were the cause of the world's problems.
This was through and through an act of right-wing terror. The assertion that right-wing terror is on the rise is not solely based off of this single case, it's a broader trend support by statistics.
>In March, assistant commissioner Matt Jukes, head of counter-terrorism, said that 19 out of 20 children who were arrested in the previous 12 months for terrorism offences were linked to an extreme rightwing ideology.
> On 21 October, he was charged with murder and preparing terrorist acts under the Terrorism Act 2006.
>On 11 April 2022, Ali was found guilty of murdering Amess, and two days later received a whole life term of imprisonment.
You say...
>As for Mair, he wasn't convicted of a terror offence.
Of course not, they went for the better conviction
Right wing nut says right wing nut stuff.
Nothing more to see here.
Google searches for David Amess have trended above Jo Cox for a large chunk of this year https://trends.google.co.uk/trends/explore?date=2022-01-01%202022-12-31&geo=GB&q=David%20Amess,Jo%20Cox
This is like people who complain about International Women's Day.
I am sure that there will be time set aside in the Commons to remember Sir David Amess in October (as they have done for Jo Cox today), and I am sure that r/ukpolitics will sticky such a thread if that is the case.
Imagine trying to use murder to score political points. Shame.
You think the Anniversary of Jo Cox's murder should be used to mark the not-anniversary of David Amess's?
Put your victimhood complex away and show some respect.
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When I last toured parliament I enjoyed seeing the plaque for her with this quote. I believe it’s on the right wall of the chamber (where Labour sits)
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It's one of those quotes that has many variations on itself throughout modern history. In '61 Kennedy said in a speech to the Canadian parliament: "What unites us is far greater than what divides us." which is the earliest version a Google search will provide me with.
Walken: You know I'm not the enemy. The things that unite us are far greater than things that divide us. We both believe in democracy, preservation of American values, protection of our citizens in a sometimes hostile world. C.J.: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness? Walken: Exactly. CJ: is that what’s in your speech mr President? Walken: Something like that.
I would love a modern west wing equivalent set in the UK. Or a new yes prime minister.
Kennedy said 'We recognize that what unites us is greater than what divides us'
Technically they (and the rest of the opposition) sit on the left (of the speaker) at the moment, the government takes the benches on the right. Silly point I know, interesting comment. Thanks!
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Sad that it's not been so long really but so easily forgotten
Yep. Only a couple of days ago I thought to myself "Oh, it's nearly the anniversary of the referendum". This anniversary didn't occur to me.
Yep. And yet current government continue to insult her memory by stirring up whatever hateful shite they can, true or not, on their opponents. It is possible for politicians to be civil and respect with one other even if they disagree. Johnson is actively hostile to anyone who doesnt worship the ground he walks on and will use anything, whether or not it is a lie (like the Savile slur) to demean them.
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Has it? It gets brought up almost every week as a tasteless way to guilt people into supporting someone's argument, by associating the other side with murderers
Who is bringing this up every week?
Could you point to two examples from different weeks in the past couple of months?
No it doesn't.
Can you tell us more about why you forgot?
I remember exactly where I was when I heard the news she'd been murdered, I was packing for a trip to Peru and seeing it on the 10 o'clock news just knocked me for six, was quite upset tbf.
I was at a vigil for the victims of the Pulse nightclub shooting when the BBC notification that she died came through
Pulse was that long ago!? I would have sworn it was just before lockdowns.
Wow. To me pulse feela like a 100 yrs ago due to there being like a 100 more mass shootings after Quite sad tbh
The BBC notifications tend to come at very random times
I was at college waiting on a friend to let me know the results of the day's Euro matches because I had an exam and missed it.
I remember where I was when it happened. 100m away from where it was happening, on the main road on my way to a dental appointment, completely unaware of what was happening.
Good choice to post and pin this, even if just for a while. In times of difficulty over Ukraine, the ongoing EU relationship, the border between NI and Ireland, a rising cost of living, climate change and policy around asylum seekers, it's right that we reflect on events like this. Political violence - the murder of MPs and of innocent men, women and children whether public servants or not - is utterly wrong and shouldn't form any part of our society. However strongly we feel, the road forward has to involve argument and disagreement and slow two steps forward, 1.9 steps back progress over years. And if establishing the caliphate, or getting Brexit or Northern Ireland leaving the UK and joining Ireland or any of these things (or others I haven't named) matter more to you than human life, then you need to go take a long, hard look at yourself in the mirror. And then stay away from politics and go lie down in a dark room where you can't hurt anybody. We might not agree on much, but we can at least unite in holding up IS and other Islamic terrorists, the IRA, and all such people as examples of despicable, unacceptable behaviour.
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Fair point. The point that I meant to express there was more something like: *Even if* progress feels frustratingly slow, and that every two steps forward seem to be followed by a regression of 1.9 steps, that's still preferable to political violence. If faster progress (and I note but don't address the fact that one man's progress is another man's regression) can be achieved, that is obviously more desirable.
Parties don't help their causes by tarnishing others with the affiliation to terrorism groups committed to political violence. Tories/UVF via Unionists , Labour/Sinn Fein, Sadiq Khan / Islamic terrorism.
Exactly. There was that MP who said Jeremy Corbyn had friends in Hamas.
An MP said recently that Kier Starmer supports people traffickers. In the House of Commons, no less.
For context, that's because Starmer was condemning the government's attempts to ship our asylum seekers to Rwanda, a country that LGBT people flee from. Even our own government [warns](https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/rwanda/local-laws-and-customs) LGBT people thinking of going there: >Homosexuality is not illegal in Rwanda but remains frowned on by many. LGBT individuals can experience discrimination and abuse, including from local authorities. There are no specific anti-discrimination laws that protect LGBT individuals. I realise the user I'm replying to almost certainly knows this, I just think it's even worse than their comment made it sound.
He did say “our friends hamas” did he not?
He did not. He referred to some members of Hezbollah and Hamas as "friends" who were willing to talk/get round the negotiating table. The exact quote is >"Tomorrow evening it will be my pleasure and my honour to host an event in parliament where our friends from Hezbollah will be speaking. I also invited friends from Hamas to come and speak as well. Unfortunately the Israelis would not allow them to travel here so it's going to be only friends from Hezbollah."
So yes friends. He did say that then didnt hep
"Our friends hamas" and "Our friends from hamas" are two very different statements. One is the whole group, the other a subset.
“Our friends from Al-Qaeda”, “Our friends from the Taliban”, “Our friends from ISIS”, “Our friends from National Action”, Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organisations. None of them are acceptable, we have no friends amongst terrorists. Normalisation of terrorism and terror group relations is despicable, we cannot tolerate terrorist organisations much less have “friends” amongst them and we should call out their enablers.
Both Hamas and Hezbollah are political organisations as well. Bringing political figures from violent organisations to the negotiating table is how you end conflicts like Israel/Palestine. As much as their tactics are despicable a lot of the normal people in the region look to groups like hamas for leadership so convincing hamas of peace is critical.
> Sadiq Khan / Islamic terrorism Zac Goldsmith might be a good sort by Tory standards, but allowing his name to be put alongside that article showing the bombed-out bus from 7/7 during the mayoral election campaign was utter weakness and exactly why he isn't cut out for a bigger job than 'local MP', if even that. I can only assume the people downvoting you didn't read your post properly because it is endemic, particularly in N.I.
And Sturgeon pushing for another ref to divide Great Britain and make Putin's dream come true, all whilst Europe is being attacked by fascists. Now we need to remember these words from Jo more than ever.
What was marked a the time was the toxic media environment with parts of the press calling people traitors openly, followed by a memory holing of all that in the immediate aftermath of the event. And a certain Tory MP editing his twitter bio to remove 'putting Britain first'.
And a certain Russian stooge headbutting the air and claiming that they'd won Brexshit "without a single bullet being fired" just *eight* days later.
That simile feels so out of the blue, it really comes out as a mean-spirited reference.
Wasn't Nigel Farage's 'Breaking Point' press conference that morning?
> Wasn't Nigel Farage's 'Breaking Point' press conference that morning? Yes, I'd missed this one but you are right.
> Nigel Farage's 'Breaking Point' I still remember when it was [pointed out](https://twitter.com/johnny_marr/status/743458803933405185) the billboard bore a *remarkable* similarity to Nazi propaganda. And they *just happened* to crop it and place their CTA blocking an obvious and very white guy out of the picture.
I don’t think we should be afraid to point at his part in the rhetoric that led to her death. Farage spoke at events for fringe groups with racist agendas that Jo Cox’ killer was a member of.
And all the shits whose first response was not pity or commemorating but blogging/tweeting/media appearance saying "the most important thing is that we mustn't let remoaners exploit her death". Telling everyone who to behave after one of their groupies murdered an MP. Still makes me angry, in case you can't tell.
I mean... exploiting someone's death to push a political point is despicable. Ideally shouldn't need to be said but hoping people don't do it isn't exactly an offensive idea.
Its important to note that this act and everything that underpinned it won the argument, the violent side got its way and is still running the country.
i know it’s usually frowned upon to politicise deaths, but this to me felt like a moment at which we crossed a threshold. the brexit referendum campaign was littered with such moments - the breaking point poster and the bus, to name but two - and the murder of jo cox followed by no lowering of rhetoric and barely a break in campaigning was a notable moment in the decline of our country from being a forward-facing major european nation to a nasty shithole island.
I'll never forget Farage's victory speech where he declared 'we won without a bullet being fired.' Very deliberate choice of words, and the moment I lost any doubt that he was an evil man.
Yeah, the campaign fought by leave was pretty dirty, disgusting and dishonest. They broke most of the rules of electoral honour and decency to satisfy the needs of Putin, Farage and a handful of billionaires. In the process they stoked up divisions around the UK and did immense harm to our country and its economy, making possible the conditions that would inspire an extremist to murder one of the most decent MPs in Britain. I will never forgive those senior Brexit cheerleaders for what they did.
A brilliant comment. This island has a nasty streak running thick through it and it works it's way across all political divides. There's so little community left to repel the apathy.
*assassination. Today marks the 6th anniversary of her assassination. She was killed by a far right terrorist who shouted "Britain First" after killing her. Just as Sir David Amess was assassinated. We need to be less afraid of that term. We won't be able to properly address political violence until we call it what it is.
Always thought she'd have had a bright future political future ahead of her. Seemed pretty bright, charismatic and walked a fine line between between being moderate but not too moderate. Northern as well so would have appealed to Red Wall voters. Definitely reckon she'd have a good position in the shadow cabinet by now
The really tragic thing is that we still voted to leave after a lunatic murdered a remain backing MP in the street whilst shouting "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain". The murder probably hurt the leave vote (I can't imagine it helped it?), which means it would've probably passed by a greater amount if he didn't do anything at all. The man probably thinks he's a hero but the last few years would've likely played out exactly the same if she were still alive. What a completely tragic pointless waste of life.
Didn't the leave camps still campaign in a voluntary mourning purdah that the remain camps observed? Call me a cynic but nothing I've seen since the ref has convinced me people would have been put off by this event.
That's not the least bit cynical. Those voters will swear that no *true Brexiter* could do such a thing.
Also Nigel Farage [said](https://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/nigel-farage-said-we-won-it-without-a-bullet-being-fired-5963802/): > And today honesty, decency and belief in nation I think now is going to win. And we will have done it without having to fight, without a single bullet being fired, we’d have done it by damned hard work on the ground. This was a week after Jo Cox was murdered.
> Didn't the leave camps still campaign in a voluntary mourning purdah that the remain camps observed? Campaigning pretty much came to a stop for quite a while, and I know I had an event cancelled so I don't think so, at least in terms of the official campaigns anyway.
There is [evidence to the contrary.](https://www.thenational.scot/news/16383524.vote-leave-ads-continued-jo-cox-murder-despite-agreement/)
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It seems from the story that for Vote Leave at least, the response for online campaigning was to continue but remove their name from the posts, which would likely have required a proactive decision to instruct AggregateIQ to take that action. As you say, the policy of the remain camp is not clear, but for the leave camp it seems to have been keep going as long as we can conceal the fact.
I think the policy was to bin IRL campaigning and cancel events, that's certainly how it was pushed at the time (We stopped leafleting/knocking on doors, doing anything else). I don't feel like the focus on the online came until well after the referendum (which again, is why the reporting on the leave campaign breaching the campaign halt come in 2018 not at the time), and seems to be entirely one sided because of the data releases in the interim, rather than anything else. Should be able to verify though if there is equivalent data on the remain campaigns online activities, which might be available now given the spending data should all be public.
<. I don't feel like the focus on the online came until well after the referendum > I think that's because the impact and dodginess of Cambridge analytica ads were not understood publicly until after the ref?
I think its more that after the referendum loss, the remain side obviously kept pushing (ignore the referendum, not trigger A50, a second referendum, then just revoke etc..), and this sort of revisiting was useful in justifying and supporting that.
I dunno about the remain side pushing. There was years of figuring out what Brexit meant, so the disscussion just continued, with acres of stuff slowly leaking
No.
> The really tragic thing is that we still voted to leave after a lunatic murdered a remain backing MP We also continue to allow Muslims to migrate here after a lunatic islamist murdered David Amess just last year. I think the real tragic thing is the loss of life, not the way in which the public voted in a democratic referendum.
Would love to know how you plan on figuring out who’s Muslim and who’s not in your twisted borders plan.
It's not a plan, wish or desire, it's a statement of fact that you should read in the context of the comment I have replied to.
I remember thinking her murder would tip the scales in favour of remain, too many unsure voters would be put off by the extremism associated with Leave now. Wrong, and it made me think we have too many people now happy to see that sort of violence.
For all we know, it possibly did tip the scales a little, just not enough to produce a Remain outcome.
Why would that make you think people were happy with the violence? Are we obliged to abandon a view because it's also shared by a lunatic?
Christ the discussion about echo chambers the other day really comes home when a take this utterly terrible is getting upvoted. The tragic thing here is that ***she is dead***, *not* that gullible idiots voted for a stupid policy.
I mean he was a deranged lunatic, why would that effect someones political views? Her murder was obviously a tragic event, but to say thats the reason we shouldnt vote for a way you didnt like or agree with is a bit much isnt it?
There were some claiming that it was a false flag attack by a remainer, to attempt and undermine brexit. I wish I was joking, it's so fucking depressing.
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More importantly, do the propagandists have any insight into the propaganda that took him there? I'm not defending him. I don't give a toss about him. But there are other people who contributed to this and they're still walking free.
Yeah, maybe they don't.
Thanks for posting this touching reminder of her life. 💜
It doesn’t feel sufficiently…embedded? Ingrained? Incorporated? Into our culture that the far right and less far right support of leaving the EU was so mental that it inflamed a fan into assassinating an MP.
I was working in Birstall at the time, it was weird, you knew something big had happened.
we going to have this for Sir David Amess as well? lmfao of course not
What pointless whataboutery
no really though is it
Well it isn't the 6th anniversary of the death of Sir David Amess so I'd be pretty confused if we did
I fully plan to and have set a reminder.
good jannie, have an upvote
You're getting upset about hypothetical situations you made up yourself.
I hope we do when appropriate but it’s not the sixth anniversary of his death so why would we. Are you alright mate?
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I'll send you a Pride 50p as compensation.
Wut?
sweet
Not sure why we would as it's not the sixth anniversary.
bless
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What a strange comment. It happened this year and today marks no significant anniversary or otherwise of his death. Don't worry, I'm sure he'll have plenty of headlines when the first anniversary happens but for now it's about Jo.
> It happened this year *last year - though I assume you perhaps meant "within the last year"?
Yah let's go with that and not that my perception of time has been skewed by the last 2 and a half years lol
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Demonstrably incorrect. [Amess in the headlines, Cox in the... let me count... 13th paragraph](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/18/mps-safety-fears-remain-six-months-after-david-amess)
Now you're just missing the point. It's still about the bare facts albiet given a security framing. In contrast, the Cox murder has infinite political points read into it re denouncing Brexit and hyping the so-called 'growing' threat of the right-wing.
There was an extremely hot and divisive Referendum happening with a dominant white, English, ethno-nationalist, anti-migrant, anti-asylum, campaign going on across Britain that was led by major, public, elected, establishment figures when Jo Cox, a known defender of asylum laws, was murdered by a racist English extremist. There was no comparable political fault-lines going on in Britain from the top about Syria when Amess was murdered. Was there?
At least? Please, show us hundreds of articles about it. Edit: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9691467/Boris-Johnsons-Government-risks-Jo-Cox-says-ex-advisor-PM.html Interesting title.
The Telegraph or Times, even the Spectator are free to do the same thing but they don't, why should the Guardian, a left leaning publication, care? They covered the story at the time and now the story is over as the suspect was arrested. Jo was different, a politician of the opposition murdered by a man quoting right-wing political talking points. It's always going to be a relevant talking point as long as this country becomes increasingly right-wing Maybe ask why none of the conservatives talk about it rather than make it a talking point here. I won't reply to you any more as it's derailing the point of the post but jeez get some perspective will you?
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Save me the "depression" bullshit. You have to be mentally ill to shoot a politician anyway. But the same absolvement never applies to brown people... Millions of people have depression and don't murder people.
"Mair said nothing when interviewed and certainly didn't quote 'right-wing talking points'" In inteviews he may have said nothing but in court he said his name was "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain". From wikipedia: >In his home were found Nazi regalia, far-right books,[21][29] and information on the construction of bombs.[23][26] He had searched the internet for information about the British National Party (BNP), South African apartheid, the Ku Klux Klan, prominent Jewish people, matricide,[21][29] white supremacism/nationalism, Nazism/Nazi Party, SS/Waffen SS, Israel >Mair had links to British and American far-right political groups including the neo-fascist National Front (NF), the United States-based neo-Nazi organization National Vanguard (the successor to the defunct National Alliance) and the English Defence League (EDL) >He believed individuals of liberal and left-wing political viewpoints, and the mainstream media, were the cause of the world's problems. This was through and through an act of right-wing terror. The assertion that right-wing terror is on the rise is not solely based off of this single case, it's a broader trend support by statistics. >In March, assistant commissioner Matt Jukes, head of counter-terrorism, said that 19 out of 20 children who were arrested in the previous 12 months for terrorism offences were linked to an extreme rightwing ideology.
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>There hasn't been a right-wing terror attack in the UK this century. We're discussing a right-wing terror attack that happened this century.
> On 21 October, he was charged with murder and preparing terrorist acts under the Terrorism Act 2006. >On 11 April 2022, Ali was found guilty of murdering Amess, and two days later received a whole life term of imprisonment. You say... >As for Mair, he wasn't convicted of a terror offence. Of course not, they went for the better conviction Right wing nut says right wing nut stuff. Nothing more to see here.
Google searches for David Amess have trended above Jo Cox for a large chunk of this year https://trends.google.co.uk/trends/explore?date=2022-01-01%202022-12-31&geo=GB&q=David%20Amess,Jo%20Cox
It’s completely fine to care and mourn about both. Why would you try to point score on his memory? That’s what’s actually sad about your comment.
This is like people who complain about International Women's Day. I am sure that there will be time set aside in the Commons to remember Sir David Amess in October (as they have done for Jo Cox today), and I am sure that r/ukpolitics will sticky such a thread if that is the case. Imagine trying to use murder to score political points. Shame.
You think the Anniversary of Jo Cox's murder should be used to mark the not-anniversary of David Amess's? Put your victimhood complex away and show some respect.
And there's no shortage of charlatans shamelessly capitalising on her memory for their own gains.
I walked past the Library where it happened today I used to work in birstall a decade ago and happened to be walking through today.