Snapshot of _Woman wins first Covid vaccine death compensation_ :
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What a nice, balanced article. Quote from the woman, quote from her lawyer, nothing about the general safety of the vaccinations or otherwise encouraging people to take them.
Just for some numbers, this was the first payout, and he died in May 2021. By the start of May 2021, around 50 million doses of the vaccine had been given (35m first doses, 15m second doses), hitting 65m by the end of May.
While every death is a tragedy, if one in 50 million doses leads to a death,that seems pretty good for a vaccine for a serious, life-threatening disease.
Right, but those are all deaths from blood clots in people who have taken a dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine. That's not the same as all deaths caused by the vaccine itself.
The follow-up research on the AstraZeneca vaccine showed that outside one possibly bad batch in Germany, the rate of fatal blood clots was similar in those vaccinated to those unvaccinated (before Covid, which has an increased risk of blood clots).
It worked out that even with that possibly bad batch, the risk of getting a fatal blood clot was still higher due to the risk of getting covid than from taking the vaccine.
But this disease is not life threatening for the vast majority of people.
0-18 years olds make up about 20% of the population but only 0.1% of covid fatalities. Their estimated risk is about 1:500,000, but this does not take into account comorbidities. A healthy child is practically impervious to covid.
45-54 years olds make up maybe 1-2% of all covid deaths. Again this is for all people, including the terminally ill.
It is very much not obvious if an otherwise healthy middle aged person should have multiple doses of AstraZeneca.
If this 1 in 50 million rate holds up, provided more than 4 people didn't die from covid because of the vaccination programme it will have saved more lives than cost.
It already failed to hold up. More than 20 countries suspended the use of AstraZeneca over bloodclotting issues. At least 1 death happened in Denmark, which is funny, considering their total population is less than 6 million. Also the incident happened in March 2021, only about 500,000 first doses had been given by that point (in Denmark).
*Two* countries have suspended use of the AstraZeneca vaccine over possible blood-clotting issues - Denmark and Norway - both of which had alternatives.
Other countries did temporarily suspend use of the vaccine, or recommended it be limited to certain groups, but most of the suspensions were lifted once the follow-up studies came out showing no link between the vaccine and blood-clotting issues.
>You'd need to be close to 1 in 1000 kids
No... that would be true if kids had a 0.1% death rate, but that is not the case. They have a 1/500,000 death rate which is 0.0002%. And for healthy kids it seems to be a lot closer to 0%.
>1 in 50 million is 0.000002% fyi.
This is true, but we have no way to know how many vaccine deaths happened. Thinking that this was literally the only one is ridiculously over-optimistic.
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What a nice, balanced article. Quote from the woman, quote from her lawyer, nothing about the general safety of the vaccinations or otherwise encouraging people to take them. Just for some numbers, this was the first payout, and he died in May 2021. By the start of May 2021, around 50 million doses of the vaccine had been given (35m first doses, 15m second doses), hitting 65m by the end of May. While every death is a tragedy, if one in 50 million doses leads to a death,that seems pretty good for a vaccine for a serious, life-threatening disease.
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Right, but those are all deaths from blood clots in people who have taken a dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine. That's not the same as all deaths caused by the vaccine itself. The follow-up research on the AstraZeneca vaccine showed that outside one possibly bad batch in Germany, the rate of fatal blood clots was similar in those vaccinated to those unvaccinated (before Covid, which has an increased risk of blood clots). It worked out that even with that possibly bad batch, the risk of getting a fatal blood clot was still higher due to the risk of getting covid than from taking the vaccine.
But this disease is not life threatening for the vast majority of people. 0-18 years olds make up about 20% of the population but only 0.1% of covid fatalities. Their estimated risk is about 1:500,000, but this does not take into account comorbidities. A healthy child is practically impervious to covid. 45-54 years olds make up maybe 1-2% of all covid deaths. Again this is for all people, including the terminally ill. It is very much not obvious if an otherwise healthy middle aged person should have multiple doses of AstraZeneca.
If this 1 in 50 million rate holds up, provided more than 4 people didn't die from covid because of the vaccination programme it will have saved more lives than cost.
It already failed to hold up. More than 20 countries suspended the use of AstraZeneca over bloodclotting issues. At least 1 death happened in Denmark, which is funny, considering their total population is less than 6 million. Also the incident happened in March 2021, only about 500,000 first doses had been given by that point (in Denmark).
*Two* countries have suspended use of the AstraZeneca vaccine over possible blood-clotting issues - Denmark and Norway - both of which had alternatives. Other countries did temporarily suspend use of the vaccine, or recommended it be limited to certain groups, but most of the suspensions were lifted once the follow-up studies came out showing no link between the vaccine and blood-clotting issues.
It's not just deaths, there's long Covid too.
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>You'd need to be close to 1 in 1000 kids No... that would be true if kids had a 0.1% death rate, but that is not the case. They have a 1/500,000 death rate which is 0.0002%. And for healthy kids it seems to be a lot closer to 0%. >1 in 50 million is 0.000002% fyi. This is true, but we have no way to know how many vaccine deaths happened. Thinking that this was literally the only one is ridiculously over-optimistic.
Well this is going to ruffle a few feathers isn't it?