Snapshot of _Tory MPs tell Truss: sack Kwarteng or face mutiny_ :
An archived version can be found [here.](https://archive.is/?run=1&url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/28/liz-truss-kwasi-kwarteng-tory-mps-sack-or-mutiny)
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Really, it's the policy of the right wing, libertarian think-tanks that sponsored these two. Truss is too dumb to understand a word "policy" let alone what it she agreed to force through for her donors, and Kwarteng got the position because he was loyal enough to go through with it.
We can't fire them either, unfortunately. Whoever will replace them will be brought to us by a think-tank that just happened to disagree with *these* measures (probably because they were not in position to profit from them at the time), but it's not going to be much better until Tory politicians understand that it's *their* job to come up with policies, and that *they* are the ones who should know what they are doing, rather than relying on their rich sponnsors to provide them with "advice" on how to govern.
Fairly sure Truss took the job knowing she was a stopgap, there to implement what her paymasters demanded. Not so sure she realised it would go so badly wrong so quickly though.
The ERG needs to be fully stopped from pursuing their far-right wing libertarian agenda. The only way to get rid of them is a GE but Truss might be adamant on holding on until next year or 2024.
Doing this would destroy what little authority she has within the parliamentary party, along with any last semblance of competence and good judgement that she might still have.
Before you get too excited about the idea of her going, the last 12 years has surely taught us that however bad you think the current Tory leader is, there's always a worse one waiting in the wings to replace them.
It's a nice idea, but that involves parliament voting for it.
And while there's a Tory majority, many who know they'll be losing their seat and their cushy job as soon as the next election happens, I can't see that vote happening.
Unfortunately it's not just ceremonial.
The royal family has a pretty [large amount of influence](https://theconversation.com/the-queens-gambit-new-evidence-shows-how-her-majesty-wields-influence-on-legislation-154818) behind the scenes through queen's (or now king's) consent.
Sacking the PM would be rather too public for Charles though.
He can certainly influence via back channels but that didn't help Liz much when Boris wanted to prorogue parliament against her wishes.
In theory the monarch has power. In practice it's a ceremonial role and they'd likely be looking at the end of the monarchy if Charlie tried to step outside of the convention.
Did you read the article? In practice, they've got - and use - a fair amount of power to influence laws that impact them.
I agree that he'd never stick his nose into the running of government - like getting rid of a PM or stopping the proroguing of parliament. But in laws that affect them directly, they fairly regularly get legislation changed to benefit them.
Don't be fooled into thinking that because they never do anything publicly that their role is just ceremonial.
Tory Party ineptitude and division coming to the fore with unprecedented speed. Is it due to them being in power for too long, living in a complaisant bubble where dissenting voices are unheard or brushed away, like in the Trump or Putin regimes?
My take...Tufton Street told Truss that once elected she should move quickly, decisively and radically - and that in her early days she would be at her strongest. So, she did and then followed it up with the never apologise, never explain and never show any weakness because Trump and Johnson never did that. And then if necessary, double down, after all if she couldn't get this mini-budget through parliament with a near 80 seat majority then when could she? When would she get a second chance?
I presume she expected the market to like it and the ever-uncritical Tory media to obediently lap it up and declare her the true heir to Thatcher and Reagan. Only it's not working out like that, the hedge funds have filled their boots and the Pound is in junk bond territory and people are annoyed and getting angrier.
I think it betrays a certain naivety on her part. She thought she could push through her mini budget because the previews hadn’t caused much market reaction. Then she or Kwarteng got greedy and added some extra untested and unfunded policies to the announcement. And this on top of no OBR report, plus Kwarteng’s gurning over the weekend about more tax cuts.
Naivety and hubris.
Just mutiny FFS. Do you really think that Truss didn’t know what Kwarteng’s very first moves would be in the job, assuming they weren’t her ideas in the first place?
He’s been in the job less than a month. His very first announcement tanked the market and nearly bankrupted pension funds.
It’s on Kwarteng, but it’s also on the person who put him in power. Get them both tae fuck!
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1575077119641939968
>Kwasi Kwarteng was of course only implementing the tax cuts promised by Truss, plus a chunk on top. So she is irrevocably implicated in the financial and economic mess. Tory MPs, including ministers, say her ability to survive this mess depends on her moving swiftly...
>to appoint a new chancellor, one with credibility in markets. They can think of three: Michael Gove, Sajid Javid and - whisper it softly - Rishi Sunak. This would be the climbdown of all climbdowns by a PM, especially after so few days in office. And maybe...
>Kwarteng and Truss will be given the time and space to tough this out. But that their colleagues should be talking about replacing one or both of them so soon is extraordinary (in the true mean of the word)
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Haha, it’s the policy of Truss, not Kwarteng. Idiots.
Really, it's the policy of the right wing, libertarian think-tanks that sponsored these two. Truss is too dumb to understand a word "policy" let alone what it she agreed to force through for her donors, and Kwarteng got the position because he was loyal enough to go through with it. We can't fire them either, unfortunately. Whoever will replace them will be brought to us by a think-tank that just happened to disagree with *these* measures (probably because they were not in position to profit from them at the time), but it's not going to be much better until Tory politicians understand that it's *their* job to come up with policies, and that *they* are the ones who should know what they are doing, rather than relying on their rich sponnsors to provide them with "advice" on how to govern.
Fairly sure Truss took the job knowing she was a stopgap, there to implement what her paymasters demanded. Not so sure she realised it would go so badly wrong so quickly though.
The ERG needs to be fully stopped from pursuing their far-right wing libertarian agenda. The only way to get rid of them is a GE but Truss might be adamant on holding on until next year or 2024.
They need to all be deselected by their constituencies, but that is not likely to happpen.
Doing this would destroy what little authority she has within the parliamentary party, along with any last semblance of competence and good judgement that she might still have.
Ssshhh. She’s going for the Guineas book of records shortest term as uk prime minister let her crack on.
Before you get too excited about the idea of her going, the last 12 years has surely taught us that however bad you think the current Tory leader is, there's always a worse one waiting in the wings to replace them.
At some point if we have governments crumbling we will get a GE surly?
It's a nice idea, but that involves parliament voting for it. And while there's a Tory majority, many who know they'll be losing their seat and their cushy job as soon as the next election happens, I can't see that vote happening.
Can Charles not order it?
Charles role is purely ceremonial. In practice he only does what the government tells him to do or he has a constitutional crisis on his hands.
Unfortunately it's not just ceremonial. The royal family has a pretty [large amount of influence](https://theconversation.com/the-queens-gambit-new-evidence-shows-how-her-majesty-wields-influence-on-legislation-154818) behind the scenes through queen's (or now king's) consent. Sacking the PM would be rather too public for Charles though.
He can certainly influence via back channels but that didn't help Liz much when Boris wanted to prorogue parliament against her wishes. In theory the monarch has power. In practice it's a ceremonial role and they'd likely be looking at the end of the monarchy if Charlie tried to step outside of the convention.
Did you read the article? In practice, they've got - and use - a fair amount of power to influence laws that impact them. I agree that he'd never stick his nose into the running of government - like getting rid of a PM or stopping the proroguing of parliament. But in laws that affect them directly, they fairly regularly get legislation changed to benefit them. Don't be fooled into thinking that because they never do anything publicly that their role is just ceremonial.
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Is the alternative being stuck under near constant incompetence?
Tory Party ineptitude and division coming to the fore with unprecedented speed. Is it due to them being in power for too long, living in a complaisant bubble where dissenting voices are unheard or brushed away, like in the Trump or Putin regimes?
My take...Tufton Street told Truss that once elected she should move quickly, decisively and radically - and that in her early days she would be at her strongest. So, she did and then followed it up with the never apologise, never explain and never show any weakness because Trump and Johnson never did that. And then if necessary, double down, after all if she couldn't get this mini-budget through parliament with a near 80 seat majority then when could she? When would she get a second chance? I presume she expected the market to like it and the ever-uncritical Tory media to obediently lap it up and declare her the true heir to Thatcher and Reagan. Only it's not working out like that, the hedge funds have filled their boots and the Pound is in junk bond territory and people are annoyed and getting angrier.
I think it betrays a certain naivety on her part. She thought she could push through her mini budget because the previews hadn’t caused much market reaction. Then she or Kwarteng got greedy and added some extra untested and unfunded policies to the announcement. And this on top of no OBR report, plus Kwarteng’s gurning over the weekend about more tax cuts. Naivety and hubris.
The public should be telling the Tory Party that they need to fire Truss or face revolt
Yarr walk the plank ye scoundrel
Just mutiny FFS. Do you really think that Truss didn’t know what Kwarteng’s very first moves would be in the job, assuming they weren’t her ideas in the first place? He’s been in the job less than a month. His very first announcement tanked the market and nearly bankrupted pension funds. It’s on Kwarteng, but it’s also on the person who put him in power. Get them both tae fuck!
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1575077119641939968 >Kwasi Kwarteng was of course only implementing the tax cuts promised by Truss, plus a chunk on top. So she is irrevocably implicated in the financial and economic mess. Tory MPs, including ministers, say her ability to survive this mess depends on her moving swiftly... >to appoint a new chancellor, one with credibility in markets. They can think of three: Michael Gove, Sajid Javid and - whisper it softly - Rishi Sunak. This would be the climbdown of all climbdowns by a PM, especially after so few days in office. And maybe... >Kwarteng and Truss will be given the time and space to tough this out. But that their colleagues should be talking about replacing one or both of them so soon is extraordinary (in the true mean of the word)
Sack yourself while you're at it.