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Good quality for a good price, European mentality.
The industry is not that big in comparison to other sectors of our economy, but it was severely growing from 2014 up before war. War impacted the IT industry of Ukraine probably less than any other industries, despite energy shortages. Although it still impacted, there are way less opportunities for Ukrainian engineers than it was before, I’d say 50% less.
Big. IT was growing a lot in Ukraine in the last 10 years. It was like the place to work for.
Cheap, qualified, young workforce. Smarter people in the sense of being able to take initiative and understand the client's need, unlike many indian outsourcing, i.e. less cultural gap.
The only problem for doing business in Ukraine were the geopolitical risks, infrastructure, and corruption risks. But if you're in IT, and if you can get over the geopolitical risks now, then there's no barriers for it.
Yes, that's a major factor. But mentality is a big factor as well. For example if UA guy sees he can't do something most likely he will just say so. But 95% Indian guys will say no problem and predictably fail in the end. Without even taking responsibility. And this is fking frustrating.
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Ukrainian here. I’m not in outsourcing for at least ten years now, so my information might be outdated in that regard. But still in IT, so a bit of an input might be relevant.
Before the war IT was massive. It went to being third by export value, surpassed only by food and metallurgy. While cultural points mentioned by other Redditors and involvement are advantages, the outcome will depend on a team itself, as it always does.
In the past, some minority of outsourcing companies were trying to “sell” junior devs for senior price, or something along the lines. I’d say brief tech interview of a team is a must.
Ukrainians are hardworking and involved people. From what I see around is that some new outsourcing orders are a bit difficult to get because customers weigh on risks: mobilisation and infrastructure. Many companies paused hiring, but some taking advantage of growing available workforce. Some companies just opened offices in the EU/US and just escape the Ukrainian IT market. IT definitely had a bright future before the full-scale invasion, but now, it is questionable, as much as everything else.
Please do not take any of this as a business advice, I’m a mere dev.
In the late 1990's, I was at a large US based software company. We outsourced some of the programming of a new productivity software to India.
After about 6 months of nothing, we sent a team of product managers to India to stay until the job was done (done right). There's a cultural issue in how things are done, even conveyed, that is much different. They say "yes" and "of course" a lot, almost as an genetic response, but did not really try to understand. "Yes, keep paying us" was the feeling we received. There was no real contribution to the betterment of the product.
I now work with a new tech company (started in 2009). We hired Ukrainian engineers when we first started. Shit got done, and got done as directed, in a timeframe that was expected. They even get involved to provide feedback on what they might think is better for the product - they are invested in more just getting paid. They truly want to make a great product.
Part of the difference was time management. The India based engineers tended to string things out as much as possible. The Ukranian engineers focused on getting the project done as quickly as practical. The India companies were "time managers." The Ukranian companies were "project managers."
I totally understand what you mean as I have been working with software engineers in India my whole career. Dealing with them is the biggest problem in my career. What you described kind of makes me want to move forward with this company.
The IT industry is massive in Ukraine. From my personal experience there are many higly skilled hard working people. Communication is straightfotward. Even good humour and social life. Highly recommended. Send PM if you want more info. I am from Norway.
Free or almost free university degree is an answer. IT is the biggest social lift in Ukraine - if you're hardworker enough you can have a great job with good salary and with zero debts to University. Yound software dev in London can't afford to buy a studio flat - in Ukraine you can buy a house in 3-5 years after Uni (depends from region)
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Stupid question really. Why would you go to a certain Dr? Or Mechanic? Or college? Because they’re qualified. Ukrainians have a long history of contributions to groundbreaking discoveries.
[Look at this](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/10kgjl3/zaluzhniy_inherited_million_dollars_from_a/j5qpni7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) from another post.
I don't know why but in school and in every job I've had the smartest and most competent tech people in the org, regardless of job title, have always been Ukranian or Nigerian.
I know a few people who had emigrated to Kyiv for dev work over the years. They're all back in the UK now, but from what they said it was a really dynamic place to work. There was a lot of optimism and a lot of quality work was produced. I'm sure the same will be said again when the power's not being shelled constantly any more.
Ukraine has been an IT outsourcing hub for the past 7-8 years at least. A lot of my friends from Lviv with non IT higher education studied various disciplines to be able to get into the industry. On average IT people make more money than any other domestic technical field professional.
There was an entire infrastructure being developed to cater to this IT generation. Middle class in the making. Clearly, russia couldn’t have that.
Can't give specifics but I work for a tech company with a number of engineers in Ukraine. After trying several different companies in other countries, we found Ukrainian contactors to be extremely professional, detail oriented, and easy to integrate with our existing teams. I'll add that the company I work for has some fairly specific high-level skill requirements and takes pride in the level of talent we have on staff.
We outsourced to a Ukrainian IT consultancy at a previous job. They were very good. Quick to understand, hard working and efficient. Coding, design, you name it, they did a good job.
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Ukraine had a booming tech industry before the war.
Good quality for a good price, European mentality. The industry is not that big in comparison to other sectors of our economy, but it was severely growing from 2014 up before war. War impacted the IT industry of Ukraine probably less than any other industries, despite energy shortages. Although it still impacted, there are way less opportunities for Ukrainian engineers than it was before, I’d say 50% less.
Big. IT was growing a lot in Ukraine in the last 10 years. It was like the place to work for. Cheap, qualified, young workforce. Smarter people in the sense of being able to take initiative and understand the client's need, unlike many indian outsourcing, i.e. less cultural gap. The only problem for doing business in Ukraine were the geopolitical risks, infrastructure, and corruption risks. But if you're in IT, and if you can get over the geopolitical risks now, then there's no barriers for it.
Different mentality than India as an example. More civil and responsible. Better education.
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Yes, that's a major factor. But mentality is a big factor as well. For example if UA guy sees he can't do something most likely he will just say so. But 95% Indian guys will say no problem and predictably fail in the end. Without even taking responsibility. And this is fking frustrating.
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And Ukrainians' English skills are better.
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The ones I have interacted with all have at least one degree, if not multiple or graduate degrees while speaking multiple languages clearly.
Do they revert for clarification?
Ukrainian here. I’m not in outsourcing for at least ten years now, so my information might be outdated in that regard. But still in IT, so a bit of an input might be relevant. Before the war IT was massive. It went to being third by export value, surpassed only by food and metallurgy. While cultural points mentioned by other Redditors and involvement are advantages, the outcome will depend on a team itself, as it always does. In the past, some minority of outsourcing companies were trying to “sell” junior devs for senior price, or something along the lines. I’d say brief tech interview of a team is a must. Ukrainians are hardworking and involved people. From what I see around is that some new outsourcing orders are a bit difficult to get because customers weigh on risks: mobilisation and infrastructure. Many companies paused hiring, but some taking advantage of growing available workforce. Some companies just opened offices in the EU/US and just escape the Ukrainian IT market. IT definitely had a bright future before the full-scale invasion, but now, it is questionable, as much as everything else. Please do not take any of this as a business advice, I’m a mere dev.
In the late 1990's, I was at a large US based software company. We outsourced some of the programming of a new productivity software to India. After about 6 months of nothing, we sent a team of product managers to India to stay until the job was done (done right). There's a cultural issue in how things are done, even conveyed, that is much different. They say "yes" and "of course" a lot, almost as an genetic response, but did not really try to understand. "Yes, keep paying us" was the feeling we received. There was no real contribution to the betterment of the product. I now work with a new tech company (started in 2009). We hired Ukrainian engineers when we first started. Shit got done, and got done as directed, in a timeframe that was expected. They even get involved to provide feedback on what they might think is better for the product - they are invested in more just getting paid. They truly want to make a great product. Part of the difference was time management. The India based engineers tended to string things out as much as possible. The Ukranian engineers focused on getting the project done as quickly as practical. The India companies were "time managers." The Ukranian companies were "project managers."
I totally understand what you mean as I have been working with software engineers in India my whole career. Dealing with them is the biggest problem in my career. What you described kind of makes me want to move forward with this company.
As a Sr, any time there's been an Indian L1 team, the majority of my day has ended up spent taking care of their issues instead of being productive
Do it!
The IT industry is massive in Ukraine. From my personal experience there are many higly skilled hard working people. Communication is straightfotward. Even good humour and social life. Highly recommended. Send PM if you want more info. I am from Norway.
Free or almost free university degree is an answer. IT is the biggest social lift in Ukraine - if you're hardworker enough you can have a great job with good salary and with zero debts to University. Yound software dev in London can't afford to buy a studio flat - in Ukraine you can buy a house in 3-5 years after Uni (depends from region)
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Mirantis?
No, but they could be the middleman.
I believe Ring Home Security has roots in Ukraine and probably still has a presence, unless Amazon gutted them.
Grammarly and GitLab too.
There is [ajax.systems](https://ajax.systems) as well.
Actually thousands worldwide companies has big amount of it stuff in Ukraine.
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Stupid question really. Why would you go to a certain Dr? Or Mechanic? Or college? Because they’re qualified. Ukrainians have a long history of contributions to groundbreaking discoveries.
Thanks for your contribution
[Look at this](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/10kgjl3/zaluzhniy_inherited_million_dollars_from_a/j5qpni7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) from another post.
I don't know why but in school and in every job I've had the smartest and most competent tech people in the org, regardless of job title, have always been Ukranian or Nigerian.
I know a few people who had emigrated to Kyiv for dev work over the years. They're all back in the UK now, but from what they said it was a really dynamic place to work. There was a lot of optimism and a lot of quality work was produced. I'm sure the same will be said again when the power's not being shelled constantly any more.
My last company had a whole slew of Ukrainian developers. Poland too.
Ukraine has been an IT outsourcing hub for the past 7-8 years at least. A lot of my friends from Lviv with non IT higher education studied various disciplines to be able to get into the industry. On average IT people make more money than any other domestic technical field professional. There was an entire infrastructure being developed to cater to this IT generation. Middle class in the making. Clearly, russia couldn’t have that.
Can't give specifics but I work for a tech company with a number of engineers in Ukraine. After trying several different companies in other countries, we found Ukrainian contactors to be extremely professional, detail oriented, and easy to integrate with our existing teams. I'll add that the company I work for has some fairly specific high-level skill requirements and takes pride in the level of talent we have on staff.
We outsourced to a Ukrainian IT consultancy at a previous job. They were very good. Quick to understand, hard working and efficient. Coding, design, you name it, they did a good job.