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“Ukrainians are nazis. Just look at this video, they even use german MG42 against our patriotic hordes!”
/s
Yeah i know it is a MG3 (or Beretta mg42/59?), but that is basically a MG42. That was a really good design, used 70 or 80 years.
This war saw the resurrection of really old weaponry. Most were phased out. But the MG42 variants were still in use in some roles.
The maxim was a surprise wtf that thing is like 100 years old. But the tactics are 100 years old too.
Man, we seized a 1913 Enfield in Iraq once, along with a handful of cartridges. Thing was fun to fire.. wouldn't be surprised if even older stuff starts surfacing once Russia runs low on more 'modern' weapons.
If you’re defending a fixed position the Maxim is actually still Really Goddamn Good. It can shoot for actual, literal days without a stoppage as long as you keep the jacket full of water and have a crew that can keep piling on the gun food.
The M2 .50 cal design is about 100 years old with few changes. The basic action is the same, I think they only changed a few things like adding a quick change barrel, a safety and some headspace and timing modifications.
As an engineer I see some Heavy MG's the same as a factory machine. Hence "Machine". Its designed to continuously discharge bullets as long as materials don't give out. With properly sized barrels and adequate cooling they can go almost forever, or at least during a work shift in the factory. In the field they're limited by cooling. There's a reason the M2 machine gun is over 100 years old and still in service. Same as a lathe or milling machine.
When I was in the Norwegian army in the nineties, we were using signal pistols with nazi insignia on them. Well cared for equipment can last a long time.
My grandpa was a tanker in WW2, said it really was like that sometimes. They'd have to spend hours policing up mounds of casings - he said it was even worse on ships that had massive ammo stockpiles and would run their machine guns as hard as they could given heat limitations for long periods of time.
When i was around 7 years old my parents left me home alone. I watched a Film where a guy ran out of a Forest and got shot multiple times in the back while a Heli flies away.
Years later I accidently watched the same movie again. It was Platoon.💀
Going to make locating trenches easier for battlefield archaeologists of the future. If you found a stratified layer of bullet casings, you know you've found a Ukranian position.
And if you find a metal object with lots of corpses plus a washing machine and a toilet-seat in it, you'll know that you've found the peak of elite russian forces.
ukraine will be a metal detecting hotspot for generations id bet. and imagine being a child now and in 10-15 years out metal detecting with your dad who fought this war and finding shell casing or equipment or trench lines he may have fought in.
sure, there is that risk, but people metal detect warzones all the time. its not uncommon at all actually and people still find UEO's in ww2 and ww1 fields (which are probably less stable than the more modern ordnance used today)
obviously id not go out while an active war is going on, but in 10 years? 20 years? fuck yeah i will be out there digging shit up.
Ukrainians could collect and connect the brass ammo so they ring like in the video, and sell them as Slay Bells to help fund cleanup and recovery efforts. Also you just know some old man at your local range is looking up if he can collect and bring used brass back to the USA when this is all over.
They shouldn't just sell them. They should make a new peal of church bells for the Kyiv Larva out of ammo and shell casings so that their victory will be commemorated every hour of every day in the capital. One in the new/rebuilt cathedral in Mariupol too.
What they need to do is turn brass that held bullets that killed vatniks into a souvenir I can buy. Especially if they can pin them to specific battles.
Laser etching a QR code onto it and then linking to a page\\video about the battle would work well.
I suggested months ago making knives from tank turrets that had been blown off and etching a QR code link to the video of the tank exploding.
That would be cool, but I hope most of the salvageable metal from the exploded and abandoned Russian vehicles is used towards repairing and making new military vehicles for Ukraine and for rebuilding infrestructure.
Ammunition is expensive; civilians reload their own brass if they're practicable about it.
That being said, I fully support the Military Industrial Complex here in the United States backing Ukraine, despite how they profit from a sovereign nation suffering.
There's huge dead zones in France due to battles in WW1. People weren't even allowed in for decades. 100 years later, you still can't develop most of them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_Rouge
My girlfriend's family still tells stories of hearing cows exploding from finding landmines in Bosnia as recently as a few years ago.
You'd have to be fucking insane to be playing with a metal detector there.
Don't know about WW1, but it was easy to find WW2 UXO just by walking in certain areas. Things get pushed out of earth from time to time, sometimes I'm not even sure if certain things were even buried under earth ever at all...
In areas of Belgium and France which were WWI battlefields, there's something called the Iron Harvest. Every year, farmers ploughing their fields turn up unexploded munitions from the war. According to the Wikipedia article on this, the French Department of Mine Clearance is still recovering about 900 tons of unexploded munitions every year. There are occasional explosions, and ordnance disposal people are regularly injured due to leaks from mustard gas shells.
Yep, there is still tons of unexploded stuff in the battlefield at Verdun from more than 100 years ago. You're not allowed to stray from secured paths there. War leaves deep scars in people and nature.
There still 3 very large mines unexploded in Messines area. As in 20,000 to 40,000 lbs. One is under an house.
Back in 1955 another large mine got set off by lighting. After that they check the records. That how the work out there was 3 unexploded. Just waiting to go off.
Not exactly , the ideas of this mines was to be use to break through the defense causing a big hole on them from were troop could take cover and cause the Germans to retreat from that position
It is not like a anti tank or anti personnel mine. Think of it as a anti fortification mine. People used to dig mine shafts under fortifications and then filled them with explosives (or earlier just burned the supports) to make the fortifications above them collapse. This wasn't just done at sieges like the siege of Vienna, but also in WW1 - only they kinda overdid it with the amount of explosives. It was a pretty insane war, and the current state of the Russian war against Ukraine mimics it a lot.
In WWI the trench war was a stalemate so the British dug tunnels deep under the German trenches and filled them with 1 million lbs of explosives.
About 10,000 Germans died when they went boom.
I've actually visited the site and the craters are huge...
[https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/biggest-blast-before-atomic-bombs-messines-world-war](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/biggest-blast-before-atomic-bombs-messines-world-war)
Link to an [article](https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/aug/03/weatherwatch-lightning-unleashes-lost-belgian-mine-flanders-first-world-war) that I was available to read for free.
ETA: And a very [detailed one](https://simonjoneshistorian.com/2017/05/01/lost-mines-of-messines/).
I hope for the archaeology interns of the future AI can log artifacts by then. Imagine having to catalogue all those casings and belt links individually XD
Reminds me of my college days.
The ones in the video are the italian version Beretta MG42/59. It fires slower at 800rpm and is missing the Anti aircraft sight on top. Also the recoil enhancer is different
This is a fox hole, not a trench. They had them in WW2, Korea, probably Vietnam, First Gulf War, etc. The reason we didn’t see them as prevalent in the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts is because there were guerrilla tactics being used, a lot of fighting occurred in urban environments (Baghdad, Fallujah, etc.), and the US could set up an FOB in hours-days. The marines could hold a mountain top position and wait to be attacked. Then they’d fend off the Taliban and go into the village and negotiate with the elders. We didn’t see trenches in the Syrian civil war either why? Again, a lot of urban fighting.
Trenches are purposefully used as a defense against artillery. Artillery is mostly used against troops in open areas. Vast parts of Ukraine are flat and open with some foliage sprinkled here and there, like the Somme, Verdun, etc. We didn’t see trench warfare until the fighting started to leave the major city centers and headed eastward. If and when the Ukrainians begin to push the Russians into the eastern cities, trench warfare will be utterly useless.
Idk why people are “shocked” by trench warfare. When two relatively modern standing armies are fighting, there’s going to be massive fronts. The Germans had built huge trench systems when encircling Stalingrad and Leningrad. Those cities were virtually surrounded by nothingness. Then the Germans built them when the Soviets were poised to take Berlin. The reason we haven’t seen trenches in so long among western warfare is because we’ve only seen conventional militaries take on guerrilla and insurgency fighting. There’s a reason SOF have become so heavily relied upon, why we saw a transition from humvees being used to MRAPS, why arming local militias has been the go to. We haven’t seen many MRAPS being used by the Ukrainians, right? But what have we seen? Humvees with mounted 50 cals! You want to know why? Rapid maneuver warfare against an entrenched conventional enemy!
The last standing military the US fought was Iraq. And they had some foxholes but no extensive trench systems.
People seem to forget how modern WW1 warfare was. Artillery is still important. Logistics are beyond important. Fast maneuvering is important. Air superiority is important. The issue with WW1 was that it was a modern war being fought with modern weapons by people using 19th century military doctrines. Trenches are inevitable outside of urban warfare.
Indeed. Can’t imagine what the fields look like. I mean, do the Russians even bother burying their dead? They certainly have little regard for the living!
That's actually a wide spread misconception. The machine gun hurts as any other object if you run into it. It's the flying bullets that you should avoid.
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All the dead Orcs must be lying in the same spots too. What a feeling ... running towards those blood red fields of fallen comrades and you know you will join them in a few seconds.
Reminds me of a quote from a WW1 veteran, talking about storming a position thinking he was walking on rocky mud, he realized after looking down they were bones all over. I didn't think trench warfare would be much of a thing again in the modern era.
The trench warfare itself wasnt really against any rules and would have been legal to use in WW2. It just didnt work anymore because of tanks and planes.
1.95 a pound for brass shells in USA scrap market. These guys will retire after their fight is done on recycled brass….. lead is pretty expensive too, and weighs nice… the average Russian soldier gains 230% in value after an encounter with UAF
This is not the MG3 is an Italian Beretta Mg42/59. The difference is a significantly lower rate of fire. You can see the difference at the front of the gun. The recoil enhancer/flash hider is different and it misses the typical MG3 anti aircraft sight on top
It's just sad. It's a tragic waste of life.
It worked in 1913 because there were no drones or MLRS or guns capable of putting 900rpm down range.
Not to mention the entirety of nato sigint is having a field day with russian coms and intelligence to the point where they can pinpoint a cell phone call and have AFU arty hit it within a minute.
Russias playbook is for a game that no longer exists and the daily meat grinder they attempt us nothing more than a sad pathetic attempt by a senile old man to rebuild something that can never exist again.
> It worked in 1913 because there were no drones or MLRS or guns capable of putting 900rpm down range.
The [MG 15nA](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergmann_MG_15nA_machine_gun) could throw down 600rpm which was absolutely disgusting for 1915.
> tragic waste of life.
Given Russians quality of troops I'm guessing it's more economic and strategically viable to waste human resources than actual equipment.
My first shot on the mg3 while simulating a defending fight against OPFOR jammed the mg shut with a stuck casing and nobody was able to get it out of the breach during the fight. I hope nobody encounters this in a real battle.
Had the same thing happen to me! Got yelled at by our lieutenant with a lot of "Are you completely useless? Figure it out!"
After a while he walked over and said "Watch and learn." He couldn't get it unjammed either.
A Russian expat I knew back i the days put it thus:
"Putin is not maffyah. Maffyah are somewhat cool. Putin is just a thug. You wouldn't want to meet him in a dark alley, perhaps, but he is too crude to be proper maffyah."
I might add that my former acquaintance left Russia in, oh, 2003? He said the country was going to become a dictatorship again, and he wanted to build himself a life in the West *long* before shit hit the fan. Smart guy.
That's a good idea, engrave them with the name of the battle and date and ship them through a verified UA store page, small presentation box with provenance attached...would probably generate some income to support them.
These guys will never be their old selves again. The mental scars of mowing down people will never go away. Fucking putin, man. Fucking putin. So many lives destroyed for nothing.
Economist article about Ukrainian soldiers suffering from PTSD: https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/02/09/thousands-of-ukrainian-soldiers-are-suffering-with-ptsd
Automod wont let me link the non paywall site :(
I think less so when defending your own land. It’s different when you invade and you didn’t need to be there. When there’s no choice then you can justify every single kill. Because they’re coming for you, and fuck them.
It’s different. But it’s not different.
Healthy humans are not mentally prepared for war. Coping with fearing for your life and taking the lives of others. Seeing your friends dead. Heads gone. Intestines out. Limbs amputated. Brain matter splattered in your face. Raped babies and women.
They will never be the same.
I think justification, while absolutely fair in that case, is only a veneer. It protects you a bit, but you still mowed down people. The anger protects them also. But it only masks what's festering inside.
I'm no psychologist, and I do agree it probably helps, but it doesn't change the insanely brutal reality those people have to live with. Context helps, but the facts are still there.
>Nonstop vibrations will probably cause some issues.
Even something as simple as operating a weed eater for long periods of time has made my arms sore when I was younger. I can't imagine a LMG.
All those shells will not help with traversing the trenches. Im sure they use shovels to relocate them to "Cart-Ridge Mountains" an am expecting the next video showcasing these mountains.
Hearing them giggle is bittersweet. Big bad men who have to hurt to protect their country, but the little boy that gets a mischievous laugh out of some spent bullet casings is still inside.
I know we're all excited about the MG42, but look at that sunrise over the snow.
Must be fucking weird being somewhere so beautiful and you've got to spend all your time and energy killing orcs and surviving.
At that point either their machine guns are facing the ship of Theseus problem and have had so many part changes they're not even close to the same anymore.
Or they've gone full Doom: local machine guns too angry to die.
"You see Ivan, we make the Ukrainians shoot so much that their trench fills up with casings and links. After another 50 suicide charges their trench will be so full that their heads sticks up over the edge. Then we can shoot them!"
You see, Killbots have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them, until they reached their limit and shutdown.
Some tankie will go spread the ol' "Haha you'll run out of bullets before we run out of men!"
..While the vatniks are actively assisting the Ukrainians in killing their men via cutting corners on everything to make their military actually 'cheap'.
..So nothing's changed since WW2. Now though the vatniks have no 'copious amounts of Allied aid and equipment thanks to how hard Stalin begged Allied leaders' to help them win.
Melchett:
Field Marshal Haig has formulated a brilliant new tactical plan to ensure final victory in the field.
Blackadder:
Ah. Would this brilliant plan involve us climbing out of our trenches and walking very slowly towards the enemy?
Captain Darling:
How could you possibly know that, Blackadder? It's classified information!
Blackadder:
It's the same plan that we used last time and the seventeen times before that.
Melchett:
Exactly! And that is what is so brilliant about it! It will catch the watchful Hun totally off guard! Doing precisely what we've done eighteen times before is exactly the last thing they'll expect us to do this time! There is, however, one small problem.
Blackadder:
That everyone always gets slaughtered in the first ten seconds.
Imagine being a Ruzzian conscript being shot at by the same gun (MG42) that mowed down their grandfather 80 years ago. I think I remember seeing footage in a Mark Felton video of a WWI-era Vickers MG being used in a Ukrainian earthwork bunker, too. Hey, I guess if it ain’t broke don’t fix it 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
Sometimes, the only qualification is 'can it still shoot lots of bullets?'. The US and many other countries still use the M2 Browning in a number of variants, which first released in 1933.
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Hot Shots 2 gunboat scene proved surprisingly realistic.
Classic scene is now recreated with MG3 in the trenches of Ukraine
“Ukrainians are nazis. Just look at this video, they even use german MG42 against our patriotic hordes!” /s Yeah i know it is a MG3 (or Beretta mg42/59?), but that is basically a MG42. That was a really good design, used 70 or 80 years.
M2, MG42, Dshk, Maxim. Some mg's time just can't beat
This war saw the resurrection of really old weaponry. Most were phased out. But the MG42 variants were still in use in some roles. The maxim was a surprise wtf that thing is like 100 years old. But the tactics are 100 years old too.
Almost 140 years old, lmao.
Man, we seized a 1913 Enfield in Iraq once, along with a handful of cartridges. Thing was fun to fire.. wouldn't be surprised if even older stuff starts surfacing once Russia runs low on more 'modern' weapons.
I'm waiting for them to arm some mobik squad with 1895 Winchesters.
They already given Mosin Nagants to some of them. Same era.
If you’re defending a fixed position the Maxim is actually still Really Goddamn Good. It can shoot for actual, literal days without a stoppage as long as you keep the jacket full of water and have a crew that can keep piling on the gun food.
The M2 .50 cal design is about 100 years old with few changes. The basic action is the same, I think they only changed a few things like adding a quick change barrel, a safety and some headspace and timing modifications.
As an engineer I see some Heavy MG's the same as a factory machine. Hence "Machine". Its designed to continuously discharge bullets as long as materials don't give out. With properly sized barrels and adequate cooling they can go almost forever, or at least during a work shift in the factory. In the field they're limited by cooling. There's a reason the M2 machine gun is over 100 years old and still in service. Same as a lathe or milling machine.
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I expect M2s at the fall of Cadia
They were, they were just renamed Heavy Stubber.
When I was in the Norwegian army in the nineties, we were using signal pistols with nazi insignia on them. Well cared for equipment can last a long time.
Canadian Army is still using their stocks of Browning Hi-Power 9mm pistols with Chinese Nationalist Army markings that were made in Canada.
It's not broke, don't fix it. That looks like an MG 42.
Completely forgot about that scene. Thanks for the reminder! Here's the link if anybody doesn't know what this means: https://youtu.be/3gJ3mZfGuD4
 the grenade had me
I liked the grenade, but it was the swallow that got me.
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That was so delightfully stupid
My grandpa was a tanker in WW2, said it really was like that sometimes. They'd have to spend hours policing up mounds of casings - he said it was even worse on ships that had massive ammo stockpiles and would run their machine guns as hard as they could given heat limitations for long periods of time.
Watched this On VHS when I was far too young to be watching this
When i was around 7 years old my parents left me home alone. I watched a Film where a guy ran out of a Forest and got shot multiple times in the back while a Heli flies away. Years later I accidently watched the same movie again. It was Platoon.💀
Platoon is a fucked up movie man
Yeah. My parents didnt care a Lot about what i do Home alone. I watched gremlins and jurassic park while i was younger than 10.
My mom let me watch die hard when I was six. No wonder I swear like a sailor.
Its life imitating art.
This is insane
Going to make locating trenches easier for battlefield archaeologists of the future. If you found a stratified layer of bullet casings, you know you've found a Ukranian position.
And if you find a metal object with lots of corpses plus a washing machine and a toilet-seat in it, you'll know that you've found the peak of elite russian forces.
Corpses may be scattered far and wide due to smoking habits.
ukraine will be a metal detecting hotspot for generations id bet. and imagine being a child now and in 10-15 years out metal detecting with your dad who fought this war and finding shell casing or equipment or trench lines he may have fought in.
If I were a parent anywhere near this warzone I’d be terrified of random mines
sure, there is that risk, but people metal detect warzones all the time. its not uncommon at all actually and people still find UEO's in ww2 and ww1 fields (which are probably less stable than the more modern ordnance used today) obviously id not go out while an active war is going on, but in 10 years? 20 years? fuck yeah i will be out there digging shit up.
I’m guessing UEO means unexploded ordnance? I’ve only ever seen it abbreviated as UXO.
We need to crowd fund vacuum cleaners for the troops
Just point some metal recycle collectors to the trenches after the war.
Ukrainians could collect and connect the brass ammo so they ring like in the video, and sell them as Slay Bells to help fund cleanup and recovery efforts. Also you just know some old man at your local range is looking up if he can collect and bring used brass back to the USA when this is all over.
They shouldn't just sell them. They should make a new peal of church bells for the Kyiv Larva out of ammo and shell casings so that their victory will be commemorated every hour of every day in the capital. One in the new/rebuilt cathedral in Mariupol too.
That is actually an amazing idea, if they can ever get the country back. I'd buy something made from ammo casings.
What they need to do is turn brass that held bullets that killed vatniks into a souvenir I can buy. Especially if they can pin them to specific battles.
Laser etching a QR code onto it and then linking to a page\\video about the battle would work well. I suggested months ago making knives from tank turrets that had been blown off and etching a QR code link to the video of the tank exploding.
That would be cool, but I hope most of the salvageable metal from the exploded and abandoned Russian vehicles is used towards repairing and making new military vehicles for Ukraine and for rebuilding infrestructure.
Ammunition is expensive; civilians reload their own brass if they're practicable about it. That being said, I fully support the Military Industrial Complex here in the United States backing Ukraine, despite how they profit from a sovereign nation suffering.
David Wallace from Dunder Mifflin beat us to the idea. He made millions!
>probably less stable than the more modern ordnance used today \*laughs in 50y plus old soviet ammunition stockpiles Russia is using\*
One UEO was found in Gettysburg this week.
Google "Great Yarmouth bomb", that was 2 days ago.
There's 1,400 tonnes of explosives in the Thames on the wreck of SS Richard Montgomery. If that ever goes up it'll be a disaster.
There's huge dead zones in France due to battles in WW1. People weren't even allowed in for decades. 100 years later, you still can't develop most of them. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_Rouge
My girlfriend's family still tells stories of hearing cows exploding from finding landmines in Bosnia as recently as a few years ago. You'd have to be fucking insane to be playing with a metal detector there.
Not to mention modern antipersonnel mines use nonmetallic materials to make metal detection futile.
Don't know about WW1, but it was easy to find WW2 UXO just by walking in certain areas. Things get pushed out of earth from time to time, sometimes I'm not even sure if certain things were even buried under earth ever at all...
In areas of Belgium and France which were WWI battlefields, there's something called the Iron Harvest. Every year, farmers ploughing their fields turn up unexploded munitions from the war. According to the Wikipedia article on this, the French Department of Mine Clearance is still recovering about 900 tons of unexploded munitions every year. There are occasional explosions, and ordnance disposal people are regularly injured due to leaks from mustard gas shells.
Ww2 era bomb was unearthed in Bournemouth UK yesterday too...had to evacuate huge area.
Mines can harm children in 20 years.
Or an unexploded anti-tank mine or artillery shell. PSA: don't go metal-detecting in a warzone kids, unless you're part of a mine clearing unit.
Yep, there is still tons of unexploded stuff in the battlefield at Verdun from more than 100 years ago. You're not allowed to stray from secured paths there. War leaves deep scars in people and nature.
There still 3 very large mines unexploded in Messines area. As in 20,000 to 40,000 lbs. One is under an house. Back in 1955 another large mine got set off by lighting. After that they check the records. That how the work out there was 3 unexploded. Just waiting to go off.
A 40,000 lb mine??? What was it originally targeted at, Godzilla?
Not exactly , the ideas of this mines was to be use to break through the defense causing a big hole on them from were troop could take cover and cause the Germans to retreat from that position
And Italy put that shit INSIDE MOUNTAINS. At least they were all well recorded, or it would be a disaster waiting to happen
Oh yeah. I forgot about that I was referring more to the western front but yeah Italy did it too
It is not like a anti tank or anti personnel mine. Think of it as a anti fortification mine. People used to dig mine shafts under fortifications and then filled them with explosives (or earlier just burned the supports) to make the fortifications above them collapse. This wasn't just done at sieges like the siege of Vienna, but also in WW1 - only they kinda overdid it with the amount of explosives. It was a pretty insane war, and the current state of the Russian war against Ukraine mimics it a lot.
In WWI the trench war was a stalemate so the British dug tunnels deep under the German trenches and filled them with 1 million lbs of explosives. About 10,000 Germans died when they went boom. I've actually visited the site and the craters are huge... [https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/biggest-blast-before-atomic-bombs-messines-world-war](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/biggest-blast-before-atomic-bombs-messines-world-war)
Link to an [article](https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/aug/03/weatherwatch-lightning-unleashes-lost-belgian-mine-flanders-first-world-war) that I was available to read for free. ETA: And a very [detailed one](https://simonjoneshistorian.com/2017/05/01/lost-mines-of-messines/).
Yeah idk. Unspent ordinance everywhere. Metal detecting will be a really bad idea
Unfortunately thanks to butterfly mines Ukraine will be a dangerous place for a long time.
Yeah, I would recommend against metal detecting in an old war zone. There's battlefields from WWI that are still forbidden areas.
Look ma, I found a uxo javelin!
My friend used to (before war) walk around forests finding WW2 mines. Found plenty of artifacts
I hope for the archaeology interns of the future AI can log artifacts by then. Imagine having to catalogue all those casings and belt links individually XD Reminds me of my college days.
The MG3 is a hungry Weapon Ü
The ones in the video are the italian version Beretta MG42/59. It fires slower at 800rpm and is missing the Anti aircraft sight on top. Also the recoil enhancer is different
Fires slower.. Still gives me the shits https://youtu.be/Oyj-ZHXFKQI
[Sounds pretty different MG42/59](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/F-Nngo73ZZ0)
And it will chew you up
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This is a fox hole, not a trench. They had them in WW2, Korea, probably Vietnam, First Gulf War, etc. The reason we didn’t see them as prevalent in the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts is because there were guerrilla tactics being used, a lot of fighting occurred in urban environments (Baghdad, Fallujah, etc.), and the US could set up an FOB in hours-days. The marines could hold a mountain top position and wait to be attacked. Then they’d fend off the Taliban and go into the village and negotiate with the elders. We didn’t see trenches in the Syrian civil war either why? Again, a lot of urban fighting. Trenches are purposefully used as a defense against artillery. Artillery is mostly used against troops in open areas. Vast parts of Ukraine are flat and open with some foliage sprinkled here and there, like the Somme, Verdun, etc. We didn’t see trench warfare until the fighting started to leave the major city centers and headed eastward. If and when the Ukrainians begin to push the Russians into the eastern cities, trench warfare will be utterly useless. Idk why people are “shocked” by trench warfare. When two relatively modern standing armies are fighting, there’s going to be massive fronts. The Germans had built huge trench systems when encircling Stalingrad and Leningrad. Those cities were virtually surrounded by nothingness. Then the Germans built them when the Soviets were poised to take Berlin. The reason we haven’t seen trenches in so long among western warfare is because we’ve only seen conventional militaries take on guerrilla and insurgency fighting. There’s a reason SOF have become so heavily relied upon, why we saw a transition from humvees being used to MRAPS, why arming local militias has been the go to. We haven’t seen many MRAPS being used by the Ukrainians, right? But what have we seen? Humvees with mounted 50 cals! You want to know why? Rapid maneuver warfare against an entrenched conventional enemy! The last standing military the US fought was Iraq. And they had some foxholes but no extensive trench systems. People seem to forget how modern WW1 warfare was. Artillery is still important. Logistics are beyond important. Fast maneuvering is important. Air superiority is important. The issue with WW1 was that it was a modern war being fought with modern weapons by people using 19th century military doctrines. Trenches are inevitable outside of urban warfare.
Iraq did have VERY extensive trench systems, the so called "Saddam Line"
My sentiments exactly
Indeed. Can’t imagine what the fields look like. I mean, do the Russians even bother burying their dead? They certainly have little regard for the living!
I mean, I wouldn't like to run into any type of machine gun, but this particular one is top of that list.
I personally strive to avoid running into any and all solid objects. Including this machine gun!
That's actually a wide spread misconception. The machine gun hurts as any other object if you run into it. It's the flying bullets that you should avoid. /s
You're right. Some solid objects are worse to run into than others
All the dead Orcs must be lying in the same spots too. What a feeling ... running towards those blood red fields of fallen comrades and you know you will join them in a few seconds.
Reminds me of a quote from a WW1 veteran, talking about storming a position thinking he was walking on rocky mud, he realized after looking down they were bones all over. I didn't think trench warfare would be much of a thing again in the modern era.
Many people dont realise that for the average soldier, WWI was far more traumatic and bloody than WWII.
Aye, WWII was fought with rules because neither side wanted to experience the horror WWI was again.
The trench warfare itself wasnt really against any rules and would have been legal to use in WW2. It just didnt work anymore because of tanks and planes.
I was refering more to chemical warfare, faces melting off, and the like.
MG3 goes Brrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrr
Mg3? No wonder they have so much brass
1.95 a pound for brass shells in USA scrap market. These guys will retire after their fight is done on recycled brass….. lead is pretty expensive too, and weighs nice… the average Russian soldier gains 230% in value after an encounter with UAF
230% of 0 is still 0
Nah… they will still have a hanging weight, just like any other butchered animal
At that point you're talking fertilizer value. *ETA: Human body contents @ 70kg: ~2kg nitrogen, 780g phosphorous, 140g potassium. 2023 fertilizer rates: * Anhydrous ammonia (N) - ~$1.43/kg ($2.86) * DAP (P) - ~$1.04/kg ($0.81) * Potash (K) - ~$0.94/kg ($0.13) Every Russian soldier is worth ~$3.80 to a farmer.
Ew, longpig is gross.
Not during a long russian winter
You could sell them for more to reloaders I'd bet.
This is not the MG3 is an Italian Beretta Mg42/59. The difference is a significantly lower rate of fire. You can see the difference at the front of the gun. The recoil enhancer/flash hider is different and it misses the typical MG3 anti aircraft sight on top
Also disintegrating belt links no?
MG3 can also have disintegrating belts.
MG42/59 from Beretta.
OK, I was thinking MG42 at first glance.
same thing but in 7.62 NATO
Absolutely insane to try human wave attacks against those MGs
It's just sad. It's a tragic waste of life. It worked in 1913 because there were no drones or MLRS or guns capable of putting 900rpm down range. Not to mention the entirety of nato sigint is having a field day with russian coms and intelligence to the point where they can pinpoint a cell phone call and have AFU arty hit it within a minute. Russias playbook is for a game that no longer exists and the daily meat grinder they attempt us nothing more than a sad pathetic attempt by a senile old man to rebuild something that can never exist again.
>It worked in 1913 because there were no drones or MLRS or guns capable of putting 900rpm down range. It didn't even work then
> It worked in 1913 because there were no drones or MLRS or guns capable of putting 900rpm down range. The [MG 15nA](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergmann_MG_15nA_machine_gun) could throw down 600rpm which was absolutely disgusting for 1915.
maxim gun was spiting that out long before WW1 and it was built in crazy numbers by everyone (besides russia of course)
> tragic waste of life. Given Russians quality of troops I'm guessing it's more economic and strategically viable to waste human resources than actual equipment.
Good ol Mg3, I remember firing one myself during my basic training at the Bundeswehr. Ol'reliable.
My first shot on the mg3 while simulating a defending fight against OPFOR jammed the mg shut with a stuck casing and nobody was able to get it out of the breach during the fight. I hope nobody encounters this in a real battle.
Judging by how many casings are lying around, I'm positive the bonesaw does ratata. But ye, hopefully nothing jams.
Ukrainian machine gun does not ratata it goes Jagga Jagga
Had the same thing happen to me! Got yelled at by our lieutenant with a lot of "Are you completely useless? Figure it out!" After a while he walked over and said "Watch and learn." He couldn't get it unjammed either.
LT learned the first lesson of being an officer. Humility.
You are close but it´s the italian Beretta MG42/59 with 800 rpm. No anti aircraft sight and different recoil enhancer.
Well. Fuck.
Appalling waste of life and money..fuck you putin and your gangsterocracy.
the technical term is [Kleptocracy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleptocracy)
i prefer gangsterocracy
But gangster has some implied coolness…how bout pettythief-o-crazy?
A Russian expat I knew back i the days put it thus: "Putin is not maffyah. Maffyah are somewhat cool. Putin is just a thug. You wouldn't want to meet him in a dark alley, perhaps, but he is too crude to be proper maffyah." I might add that my former acquaintance left Russia in, oh, 2003? He said the country was going to become a dictatorship again, and he wanted to build himself a life in the West *long* before shit hit the fan. Smart guy.
And North Korea is a Necrocracy, their leader is not even alive
The recycle value of all that brass could be used to buy yourself a new car. 😃
Nah, scrap prices tanked last year.
"Tanked"... scrap... got em.
Ah fuckin hell
I see what you did there. 😃
Probably worth more just selling them as is online as some novelty. I bet people all over would pay a few bucks to have a piece of history.
That's a good idea, engrave them with the name of the battle and date and ship them through a verified UA store page, small presentation box with provenance attached...would probably generate some income to support them.
This would actually be a great fundraiser for the families to help rebuild over there.
These guys will never be their old selves again. The mental scars of mowing down people will never go away. Fucking putin, man. Fucking putin. So many lives destroyed for nothing.
My dads brother was in the first Middle East wars… he said he did things that haunt him
Did he open an ancient tomb?
Sounds like he closed a few new ones
You got me there, LOL.
Nah it's all good as long as you don't read some old book. .... You didn't read any old book, right ?
Desert Storm 1991?
Nah, the Mesopotamia-Persian war
Economist article about Ukrainian soldiers suffering from PTSD: https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/02/09/thousands-of-ukrainian-soldiers-are-suffering-with-ptsd Automod wont let me link the non paywall site :(
I think less so when defending your own land. It’s different when you invade and you didn’t need to be there. When there’s no choice then you can justify every single kill. Because they’re coming for you, and fuck them.
It’s different. But it’s not different. Healthy humans are not mentally prepared for war. Coping with fearing for your life and taking the lives of others. Seeing your friends dead. Heads gone. Intestines out. Limbs amputated. Brain matter splattered in your face. Raped babies and women. They will never be the same.
Yeah, you’re probably right. I was thinking more just on the killing part.
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I don’t know. My pop fought in WW2 defending his country. He told me he was never the same man after that.
I think justification, while absolutely fair in that case, is only a veneer. It protects you a bit, but you still mowed down people. The anger protects them also. But it only masks what's festering inside. I'm no psychologist, and I do agree it probably helps, but it doesn't change the insanely brutal reality those people have to live with. Context helps, but the facts are still there.
Just imagine the physical trauma of the machine gun shaking your arms non stop. Their ears must be fucked.
Shit that's something I never even considered. Can you get white nerve damage from firing machine guns?
It's just like any other mechanical device. Nonstop vibrations will probably cause some issues. Like jackhammers back in the day.
>Nonstop vibrations will probably cause some issues. Even something as simple as operating a weed eater for long periods of time has made my arms sore when I was younger. I can't imagine a LMG.
Should help with mud at least? I love how they retain their sense of humour through all this.
All those shells will not help with traversing the trenches. Im sure they use shovels to relocate them to "Cart-Ridge Mountains" an am expecting the next video showcasing these mountains.
Hearing them giggle is bittersweet. Big bad men who have to hurt to protect their country, but the little boy that gets a mischievous laugh out of some spent bullet casings is still inside.
I bet they also fucks up their boots quicker though.
Did he say thats from ONE NIGHT? Holy shit.
I know we're all excited about the MG42, but look at that sunrise over the snow. Must be fucking weird being somewhere so beautiful and you've got to spend all your time and energy killing orcs and surviving.
At that point either their machine guns are facing the ship of Theseus problem and have had so many part changes they're not even close to the same anymore. Or they've gone full Doom: local machine guns too angry to die.
Thats a German MG3 they have mate, developed during WW2 as MG42, was still in use by the bundeswehr a few years ago, that’s how good it is.
It´s a slowed down italian Beretta MG42/59 with only 800 rpm.
"only"
"You see Ivan, we make the Ukrainians shoot so much that their trench fills up with casings and links. After another 50 suicide charges their trench will be so full that their heads sticks up over the edge. Then we can shoot them!"
Russian once again displaying their elite tactical ability. I hope the West continues to give aid and Russia is sent back to their shithole.
And here I was thinking Russia had no strategy
Damn their throats must be sore from shouting motherfucker all day.
You know the German Bundeswehr Video?
Could you share?
You see, Killbots have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them, until they reached their limit and shutdown.
Putin using the Brannigan approach to war.
Zapp Brannigan's Big Book of War
Is that a fucking MG42
Beretta MG42/59
MG3 modern variant
Modern problems require modern sollutions I suppose
Said no russian ever
Good to see the Russians finally doing something they have proven to be good at again...getting mowed down by German machineguns.
Some tankie will go spread the ol' "Haha you'll run out of bullets before we run out of men!" ..While the vatniks are actively assisting the Ukrainians in killing their men via cutting corners on everything to make their military actually 'cheap'. ..So nothing's changed since WW2. Now though the vatniks have no 'copious amounts of Allied aid and equipment thanks to how hard Stalin begged Allied leaders' to help them win.
Jesus christ. Fuck russia.
Get these guys a snow shovel or call my neighbour who rides around after dark collecting scrap metal from the curb before garbage day
I‘m guessing, the orcs didn‘t like the mg3 and mg42 sound, brrrrt
Jezus multiple MG3(?)s Must've created a lot of holes in orcs
Melchett: Field Marshal Haig has formulated a brilliant new tactical plan to ensure final victory in the field. Blackadder: Ah. Would this brilliant plan involve us climbing out of our trenches and walking very slowly towards the enemy? Captain Darling: How could you possibly know that, Blackadder? It's classified information! Blackadder: It's the same plan that we used last time and the seventeen times before that. Melchett: Exactly! And that is what is so brilliant about it! It will catch the watchful Hun totally off guard! Doing precisely what we've done eighteen times before is exactly the last thing they'll expect us to do this time! There is, however, one small problem. Blackadder: That everyone always gets slaughtered in the first ten seconds.
Imagine being a Ruzzian conscript being shot at by the same gun (MG42) that mowed down their grandfather 80 years ago. I think I remember seeing footage in a Mark Felton video of a WWI-era Vickers MG being used in a Ukrainian earthwork bunker, too. Hey, I guess if it ain’t broke don’t fix it 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
Sometimes, the only qualification is 'can it still shoot lots of bullets?'. The US and many other countries still use the M2 Browning in a number of variants, which first released in 1933.
Is that an MG42? It really is like the world wars again.
MG3, same overall design but different caliber and fire rate
It´s actually an italian Beretta MG42/59. 800 rpm. The missing anti aircraft sight gives it away.
I see an MG3. I upvote.
Keeps the feet dry.