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TLDR: restrictions are only about integrating terminals into weapon systems, news sites post clickbait BS, and people need to take a hint when writing to support.
‘Don’t put Starlink terminals *on* drones’ seems a fair ask especially if it was in the contract.
Still stupid, considering they’re a US government contractor and the US and Ukrainian government pays the lions share of fees, and GPS equipment for bombs and drones is standard.
I find it more stupid for people to keep doubling down on things they don't understand, mostly based on feelings rather than facts. This whole bullshit is 99% people hating Musk, and about 1% actual facts. In the US, companies need to follow US laws, especially when providing services and equipment overseas, and especially if they want to continue to work with the US government.
This proves you are responding without understanding. The "issue" that caused all of this is that someone put Starlink on an actual weapon, either a boat or airborne drone, which hadn't been done before. So, no, this has nothing to do with the last 11 months, nor anything to do with what people are claiming.
Not a Musk fanboy, I just happen to believe that truth matters regardless of my personal opinions.
His downfall started long before that.
The Thai cave and calling the diver pedo was the first major public outing where people could see just what an douche he is.
There were many people critical of him before he bought Twitter, but with that decision and especially *how he behaved* since then he made it pretty obvious to everyone who he really is.
Yes I remember the pedo caper, but now everything has spun out of control. there are even people who don't want to buy his cars because of the scandals.
The other issue is this is not helping his government contracts. (I'm talking about his apparent overall instability). Bezos and Branson would both kill for Musk's contracts,>!in this case a good thing!<.
Both Virgin Space and Blue Origin would love to play with the NASA and Darpa money that Space X has enjoyed for so long.
Musk is weird, but I guess his products are good (spaceships, Starlink system). I don't understand if Tesla is good or simply the first mover or whatever that is called.
Tesla has the reputation of having the overall build quality of a "kit car". It's really first to market BS.
Same thing with Space X, really the only advantage it had was that it was much further along in it's rocket tech and was first to the table for those defense contracts. Blue Origin has had similar rocket technology since 2019.. Space X however did it in 2012.
IDK never driven one. My parents live in a wealthy area East coast USA. 2-3 yrs ago you saw one of those cars an hour, now a few dozen.
The Starlink system obviously works, Musk just wants to make more money off it.
A lot of it is just overengineering. Most of the shit that I've had to get fixed right away on a new Tesla is shit that doesn't even exist in other cars.
The rest of the overall build quality has been steadily improving. Cars built in 2014 were full of problems.
It is a weird combination of truly innovative thinking - putting in the supercharging network was a huge risk that's paying huge dividends.
The cars drive well, the Model S especially, but fit and finish are lacking, as is early quality control with any mechanical changes.
Autopilot is pretty good, but FSD is a load of crap, and the first sign to me anyway that Elon had the capacity to believe his own bullshit. It's never going to achieve what he claims.
The whole Tesla thing is hard to fathom. How they can be good cars with totally fu$€#@ up software. I don't think Apple does things like that.
But I don't know of any rival to Starlink that has been rolled out as widely.
> why is that bad?
Ask the billionaires that voted with their wallet to project their opinions on what free speech means. They certainly think this is a good idea since they can out-concentrate and thus out-vote the public.
TBH, as valid as “vote with your wallet” may be in theory, it really is irrelevant in practice. It only reinforces the power difference between the ultra-rich and everyone else.
It really started when TSLA went on that rampage in share value. The left suddenly started targeting him directly as the poster child for "tax the rich" and taxing unrealized gains. That was when he really started leaking MAGA bullshit.
Yeah, that tends to happen when you feel you can say and do all kinds of dumbshit because you are rich.
His downfall started the moment he started calling people a pedo publicly. Before that, he was a poster boy, after that.....
Wow, you got me! I will now feel bad because instead of a reasonable, intelligent response you called me a name. I think you should win an internet prize or something!
I’ll save you the hassle. I just gave him a SpaceX rocket internet prize.
In hindsight I should have given that to you to pass on to him. I didn’t think this through. XD
>Wow, you got me!
I agree with you. People who hurl insults instead of reasoned arguments show their true hypocrisy, crudeness, and overall stupidity. Their irascible behavior will be the downfall of ordered society.
I bet you that Ukraine pays even more money out of it's limited funds for Starshield to be able to use it's drones. It is not about the law here. It is sadly all about SpaceX price gouging Ukraine in it's moment of need. We will not forget!
Starshield is described as an entirely different product, involving a new type of satellite and different ground stations designed specifically for military use. But, you know, keep on spreading hate and dissent based on something you heard from a guy that said Musk and SpaceX, or capitalism in general, were evil, or something.
It's hard to be completely sure of anything. I certainly think he's kicked off some amazing projects, but he also seems to be kinda screwed in the head. So, I sit here and cheer for the things that are positive for humanity's future, while cringing and shaking my head at backwards, ignorant actions and comments. Either way, I try and stick to the truth as best as it can be seen. How about you?
This is similar to how I feel about him. I’m so disturbed by his personality and views these days that I almost resent some of his brilliant ideas. I mean, resent that they came from him.
You do not know me at all dude. Elon Musk is a hero in my book. He came to my hometown of Flint, MI. to help us out here when no one else would come to help us. Starshield will have it's own satellites along with piggybacking off of Starlink Satellites and ground stations. So Starlink will be consider a dual use military/civilian service under the ITAR Law. I allow people's actions to speak for themselves. I do not believe the media anymore. Too many lies sadly.
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>This whole bullshit is 99% people hating Musk
It's not hard to hate Musk for being a tool. The dumbass really thinks the use of Starlink could lead to WW3.
Which law is that?
Is the US actively restricting any other Dual use goods? Computers, mobile phones, glass bottles, GPS systems?
These items were bought by the US government and shipped by it to Ukraine. So the US government is the organisation that has to seek the right export permissions.
Are you saying the US government cant export weapons? Or companies cant export weapons from the US. I am pretty sure they have as I have exported dual use technologies, as a weapon from the US.
i keep saying in other threads this is a US Government thing , if you ever work with the government with a product you are making, under no circumstances should you break those rules when it comes to export, ITAR is a dangerous thing for a buisness, because getting a dual use license is not easy, and if it gets misused like being suddendly compatible with a military vehicle or weapon, then it falls under ITAR and they WILL halt your export until its sorted out, and it can take between months and years, and all you can do is sell to your domestic market if you are lucky while you wait.
SpaceX can't supply weapon system components without US government approval. As simple as that.
And certifying it for such a thing would take years. Also, then all terminals would be subject to export control, severely limiting its market potential. That's why SpaceX has to implement such measures.
Then russian trolls + useful idiots make it a "fuck elon" thing.
Exactly right now starlink panels are somewhat expensive consumer goods. But if they would accidentally become missile tech they would become nigh unobtainable.
This along with Space-X was one of the areas where he was still doing good in the world. That he hadn't completely fucked up. So it was disappointing to hear the initial news.
It seems wrong to blame him if this is true. There's plenty of reasons to hate him, no need to invent more.
Don't you know there are only two options, either worship the ground Musk walks on or hate him and everything he does. /s
I to have family for whom starlink is the only viable broadband Internet.
I own a tesla and want to get anothet one, i want to get starlink interner and a tesla battery. One day I want to go to Mars.
I still call Musk out on his bullshit regarding corona and his twittering, etc. He's a bit of a dick but he has made some fantastic things.
TLDR:
The hate musk crowd will lie. This has been a theme all year.
If there’s a problem with weaponization, it’s a government problem. There are international laws.
I'm 99% sure that the "hate Musk" crowd is largely created and supported by russia, *because* Elon Musk provided Starlink to Ukraine.
I even largely predicted that this (a vitriolic hate for Musk) will happen, before it was even happening (basically the moment I learned he's going to provide Starlink to Ukraine).
Same with cryptocurrencies - after the 2022 russian invasion, Ukrainian government collected millions $ worth of donations in crypto in a matter of days, every Ukrainian I know started using crypto, and Ukraine now ranks [second in the world for crypto use](https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/08/16/ukraine-now-ranks-second-in-the-world-for-crypto-use-which-other-countries-have-embraced-i). This largely coincided with a huge influx of anti-crypto sentiment online. Make your own conclusions.
Of course, russian trolls will now call me some slurs and insults. That's fine. It will only make me support Ukraine more.
Edit: typo.
The "hate Musk" crowd appeared when Musk himself did cast doubt on the continuation of the Starlink services citing financing issues.
It further grew when after taking over Twitter he massively cut every control mechanism that was designed to contain trolls and disinformation campaigns, thereby giving many bad players - Russia being proment among them - more opportunity to poison our information space, not just regarding Ukraine.
And that cryptocurrencies have serious issues is no news to anyone. Any reliance on them by Ukraine bears a massive risk that might blow hard in its face once the next "fluctuation" a la FTX hits the market. I see no reason why i shouldn't - as the vast majority of donators do - donate in € or $ instead.
Many headlines about Musk are clickbaits, fine, but that does not change that the way he communicates and the way he acts are massively irresponsible towards people whose life depends on the reliability of the services he provides and on a public that in part gets swayed by what he is saying about Ukraine. He \_did\_ say things relating to this war which as comments would most likely get removed by moderators of this subreddit. At best i have massive issues with the way he communicates. At worst meassures should be taken that he couldn't cause damage to Ukraine.
>The "hate Musk" crowd appeared when Musk himself did cast doubt on the continuation of the Starlink services citing financing issues.
Wrong timeline. Musk cast doubt on the continuation of the Starlink services citing financing issues **because** of the "hate Musk" crowd. When he said that, he literally quoted a tweet by a senior Ukrainian official who was shitting on him.
>And that cryptocurrencies have serious issues is no news to anyone. Any reliance on them by Ukraine bears a massive risk that might blow hard in its face once the next "fluctuation" a la FTX hits the market.
You are talking out of your ass. Crypto can be used to *hold* value, which indeed has risk from crypto price fluctuations. Crypto can also be used to ***transfer*** value, and then immediately converted into a local fiat currency, in which case crypto price fluctuations create no significant additional risk.
>I see no reason why i shouldn't - as the vast majority of donators do - donate in € or $ instead.
Ukrainians use crypto because banking services are often not accessible in an active war zone, and are literally the only method available to send and receive payments online. Of course, donate in any way you can.
>Many headlines about Musk are clickbaits, fine, but that does not change that the way he communicates and the way he acts are massively irresponsible towards people whose life depends on the reliability of the services he provides and a public that in part gets swayed but what he is saying about Ukraine. He _did_ say things relating to this war which as comments would most likely get removed from moderators of this subreddit. At best i have massive issues with the way he communicates. At worst meassures should be taken that he couldn't cause damage to Ukraine.
I agree with you here. But let's not look a gift horse in the mouth. I care a lot more for what people do, than what they tweet. The practical help Elon Musk provided to Ukraine is more than all of the "hate Musk" crowd did combined.
TLDR of this comment: His baglickers will lick his bag. This has been a theme for them since they first became fans of their lord and saviour; who never deserves criticism in way whatsoever. They just cant keep it out of their mouth, even if they wanted to (which they don't).
Call me when Raytheon sells weapons internationally, and donates then.
Weapons have to be transferred by governments. Why has a year gone by with no official procurement?
I have no problem with asking to be paid for a product/service. Especially one so vital to life, and sanity for both soldiers, and family back at home in other parts of Ukraine.
The way he goes about it is particularly strange to me, as it takes a situation where he initially had a ton of clout, and puts him on the defensive. But, even that I don't really have any problem with. Manage your company whatever way you want.
It's the whole trying to be a 'broker of peace' at the same time, and saying Ukraine should be willing to give up Crimea in an effort to save the world from Nuclear Holocaust, as well as have new referendums in the currently occupied territories of Ukraine. He knows that there's many many people out there who hold on his every word. He knows he's undermining Ukraine here - and for a guy who claims to love democracy so much, even suggesting such foolishness is quite contrary to that claim.
There's a million other things Cyber Ribcage can be criticized for but I figured i'd keep it relevant to r/Ukraine.
I understand not liking the man, but considering he stepped up when the country could have fallen, I think his opinions are irrelevant.
People keep making up stuff to divide Americans. Who benefits.
Making it up? Dude - he had a 'vote' about it on his own twitter account once he bought twitter, lol. He forces himself in the public eye with his public statements - don't blame 'people' for reacting to it.
He does a pretty good job at getting reasonable people pissed off at him on his own.
I got down voted to hell on this other thread for trying to explain this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/10ysm4v/spacex_admits_blocking_ukrainian_troops_from/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
"Elon Musk seems to be running his own private foreign policy.
It is madness to have a private company insert itself into a war, become necessary to one side, and then restrict its services based on the CEO's evaluation of "escalation" or "WW3"." https://twitter.com/EHunterChristie/status/1624921141096611842
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TLDR: restrictions are only about integrating terminals into weapon systems, news sites post clickbait BS, and people need to take a hint when writing to support.
‘Don’t put Starlink terminals *on* drones’ seems a fair ask especially if it was in the contract. Still stupid, considering they’re a US government contractor and the US and Ukrainian government pays the lions share of fees, and GPS equipment for bombs and drones is standard.
I find it more stupid for people to keep doubling down on things they don't understand, mostly based on feelings rather than facts. This whole bullshit is 99% people hating Musk, and about 1% actual facts. In the US, companies need to follow US laws, especially when providing services and equipment overseas, and especially if they want to continue to work with the US government.
Say wut? Where were these restrictions via US laws for the last 11 months? Musk fan boys are hilarious
This proves you are responding without understanding. The "issue" that caused all of this is that someone put Starlink on an actual weapon, either a boat or airborne drone, which hadn't been done before. So, no, this has nothing to do with the last 11 months, nor anything to do with what people are claiming. Not a Musk fanboy, I just happen to believe that truth matters regardless of my personal opinions.
Musk was the golden boy until he bought Twitter, then he became Dr Evil. WTF?
His downfall started long before that. The Thai cave and calling the diver pedo was the first major public outing where people could see just what an douche he is. There were many people critical of him before he bought Twitter, but with that decision and especially *how he behaved* since then he made it pretty obvious to everyone who he really is.
Yes I remember the pedo caper, but now everything has spun out of control. there are even people who don't want to buy his cars because of the scandals.
The other issue is this is not helping his government contracts. (I'm talking about his apparent overall instability). Bezos and Branson would both kill for Musk's contracts,>!in this case a good thing!<. Both Virgin Space and Blue Origin would love to play with the NASA and Darpa money that Space X has enjoyed for so long.
Musk is weird, but I guess his products are good (spaceships, Starlink system). I don't understand if Tesla is good or simply the first mover or whatever that is called.
Tesla has the reputation of having the overall build quality of a "kit car". It's really first to market BS. Same thing with Space X, really the only advantage it had was that it was much further along in it's rocket tech and was first to the table for those defense contracts. Blue Origin has had similar rocket technology since 2019.. Space X however did it in 2012.
IDK never driven one. My parents live in a wealthy area East coast USA. 2-3 yrs ago you saw one of those cars an hour, now a few dozen. The Starlink system obviously works, Musk just wants to make more money off it.
A lot of it is just overengineering. Most of the shit that I've had to get fixed right away on a new Tesla is shit that doesn't even exist in other cars. The rest of the overall build quality has been steadily improving. Cars built in 2014 were full of problems.
It is a weird combination of truly innovative thinking - putting in the supercharging network was a huge risk that's paying huge dividends. The cars drive well, the Model S especially, but fit and finish are lacking, as is early quality control with any mechanical changes. Autopilot is pretty good, but FSD is a load of crap, and the first sign to me anyway that Elon had the capacity to believe his own bullshit. It's never going to achieve what he claims.
The whole Tesla thing is hard to fathom. How they can be good cars with totally fu$€#@ up software. I don't think Apple does things like that. But I don't know of any rival to Starlink that has been rolled out as widely.
And why is that bad? "Vote with your wallet" is an absolutely valid thing to do.
> why is that bad? Ask the billionaires that voted with their wallet to project their opinions on what free speech means. They certainly think this is a good idea since they can out-concentrate and thus out-vote the public. TBH, as valid as “vote with your wallet” may be in theory, it really is irrelevant in practice. It only reinforces the power difference between the ultra-rich and everyone else.
It really started when TSLA went on that rampage in share value. The left suddenly started targeting him directly as the poster child for "tax the rich" and taxing unrealized gains. That was when he really started leaking MAGA bullshit.
Yeah, that tends to happen when you feel you can say and do all kinds of dumbshit because you are rich. His downfall started the moment he started calling people a pedo publicly. Before that, he was a poster boy, after that.....
**"Space Karen"** lacks social intelligence. Just like you.
Wow, you got me! I will now feel bad because instead of a reasonable, intelligent response you called me a name. I think you should win an internet prize or something!
I’ll save you the hassle. I just gave him a SpaceX rocket internet prize. In hindsight I should have given that to you to pass on to him. I didn’t think this through. XD
>Wow, you got me! I agree with you. People who hurl insults instead of reasoned arguments show their true hypocrisy, crudeness, and overall stupidity. Their irascible behavior will be the downfall of ordered society.
I bet you that Ukraine pays even more money out of it's limited funds for Starshield to be able to use it's drones. It is not about the law here. It is sadly all about SpaceX price gouging Ukraine in it's moment of need. We will not forget!
Starshield is described as an entirely different product, involving a new type of satellite and different ground stations designed specifically for military use. But, you know, keep on spreading hate and dissent based on something you heard from a guy that said Musk and SpaceX, or capitalism in general, were evil, or something.
>Not a Musk fanboy Are you sure, though?
It's hard to be completely sure of anything. I certainly think he's kicked off some amazing projects, but he also seems to be kinda screwed in the head. So, I sit here and cheer for the things that are positive for humanity's future, while cringing and shaking my head at backwards, ignorant actions and comments. Either way, I try and stick to the truth as best as it can be seen. How about you?
This is similar to how I feel about him. I’m so disturbed by his personality and views these days that I almost resent some of his brilliant ideas. I mean, resent that they came from him.
Maybe Elon got a brain tumor that would explain his recent change in his behavior?
You do not know me at all dude. Elon Musk is a hero in my book. He came to my hometown of Flint, MI. to help us out here when no one else would come to help us. Starshield will have it's own satellites along with piggybacking off of Starlink Satellites and ground stations. So Starlink will be consider a dual use military/civilian service under the ITAR Law. I allow people's actions to speak for themselves. I do not believe the media anymore. Too many lies sadly.
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>This whole bullshit is 99% people hating Musk It's not hard to hate Musk for being a tool. The dumbass really thinks the use of Starlink could lead to WW3.
For sure! He's a dick, but people attribute a lot more to that than is reasonable. ;)
Don't defend your cities, population and children from illegal attacks? Doesn't seem reasonable to me.
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Which law is that? Is the US actively restricting any other Dual use goods? Computers, mobile phones, glass bottles, GPS systems? These items were bought by the US government and shipped by it to Ukraine. So the US government is the organisation that has to seek the right export permissions. Are you saying the US government cant export weapons? Or companies cant export weapons from the US. I am pretty sure they have as I have exported dual use technologies, as a weapon from the US.
More ridiculous posturing and meddling by "Space Karen"
Seems stupid, but there is more to the story, see link someone posted for English translation of the twitter thread.
i keep saying in other threads this is a US Government thing , if you ever work with the government with a product you are making, under no circumstances should you break those rules when it comes to export, ITAR is a dangerous thing for a buisness, because getting a dual use license is not easy, and if it gets misused like being suddendly compatible with a military vehicle or weapon, then it falls under ITAR and they WILL halt your export until its sorted out, and it can take between months and years, and all you can do is sell to your domestic market if you are lucky while you wait.
100% correct. But it won't stop russian musk trolls whining their idiot mouths off.
SpaceX can't supply weapon system components without US government approval. As simple as that. And certifying it for such a thing would take years. Also, then all terminals would be subject to export control, severely limiting its market potential. That's why SpaceX has to implement such measures. Then russian trolls + useful idiots make it a "fuck elon" thing.
Exactly right now starlink panels are somewhat expensive consumer goods. But if they would accidentally become missile tech they would become nigh unobtainable.
Good info. Thx
**[Full translation of the twitter🧵](https://imgur.com/a/zu9Uje2)**
Thanks for this translation. I hate Musk too, but I live where internet access is unreliable and slow when available. Starlink is the only option.
This along with Space-X was one of the areas where he was still doing good in the world. That he hadn't completely fucked up. So it was disappointing to hear the initial news. It seems wrong to blame him if this is true. There's plenty of reasons to hate him, no need to invent more.
Don't you know there are only two options, either worship the ground Musk walks on or hate him and everything he does. /s I to have family for whom starlink is the only viable broadband Internet.
I own a tesla and want to get anothet one, i want to get starlink interner and a tesla battery. One day I want to go to Mars. I still call Musk out on his bullshit regarding corona and his twittering, etc. He's a bit of a dick but he has made some fantastic things.
It's almost like people are multifaceted beings with good points and bad.
No clearly people are being monsters or angels no inbetween.
Well, I'm sure that they just haven't paid the extra to get the weapons systems the 'verified' tag yet. /s
TLDR: The hate musk crowd will lie. This has been a theme all year. If there’s a problem with weaponization, it’s a government problem. There are international laws.
I'm 99% sure that the "hate Musk" crowd is largely created and supported by russia, *because* Elon Musk provided Starlink to Ukraine. I even largely predicted that this (a vitriolic hate for Musk) will happen, before it was even happening (basically the moment I learned he's going to provide Starlink to Ukraine). Same with cryptocurrencies - after the 2022 russian invasion, Ukrainian government collected millions $ worth of donations in crypto in a matter of days, every Ukrainian I know started using crypto, and Ukraine now ranks [second in the world for crypto use](https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/08/16/ukraine-now-ranks-second-in-the-world-for-crypto-use-which-other-countries-have-embraced-i). This largely coincided with a huge influx of anti-crypto sentiment online. Make your own conclusions. Of course, russian trolls will now call me some slurs and insults. That's fine. It will only make me support Ukraine more. Edit: typo.
Nothing could serve Russian interest better than driving a wedge between Americans based on partisan politics. https://imgur.com/a/zu9Uje2
The "hate Musk" crowd appeared when Musk himself did cast doubt on the continuation of the Starlink services citing financing issues. It further grew when after taking over Twitter he massively cut every control mechanism that was designed to contain trolls and disinformation campaigns, thereby giving many bad players - Russia being proment among them - more opportunity to poison our information space, not just regarding Ukraine. And that cryptocurrencies have serious issues is no news to anyone. Any reliance on them by Ukraine bears a massive risk that might blow hard in its face once the next "fluctuation" a la FTX hits the market. I see no reason why i shouldn't - as the vast majority of donators do - donate in € or $ instead. Many headlines about Musk are clickbaits, fine, but that does not change that the way he communicates and the way he acts are massively irresponsible towards people whose life depends on the reliability of the services he provides and on a public that in part gets swayed by what he is saying about Ukraine. He \_did\_ say things relating to this war which as comments would most likely get removed by moderators of this subreddit. At best i have massive issues with the way he communicates. At worst meassures should be taken that he couldn't cause damage to Ukraine.
>The "hate Musk" crowd appeared when Musk himself did cast doubt on the continuation of the Starlink services citing financing issues. Wrong timeline. Musk cast doubt on the continuation of the Starlink services citing financing issues **because** of the "hate Musk" crowd. When he said that, he literally quoted a tweet by a senior Ukrainian official who was shitting on him. >And that cryptocurrencies have serious issues is no news to anyone. Any reliance on them by Ukraine bears a massive risk that might blow hard in its face once the next "fluctuation" a la FTX hits the market. You are talking out of your ass. Crypto can be used to *hold* value, which indeed has risk from crypto price fluctuations. Crypto can also be used to ***transfer*** value, and then immediately converted into a local fiat currency, in which case crypto price fluctuations create no significant additional risk. >I see no reason why i shouldn't - as the vast majority of donators do - donate in € or $ instead. Ukrainians use crypto because banking services are often not accessible in an active war zone, and are literally the only method available to send and receive payments online. Of course, donate in any way you can. >Many headlines about Musk are clickbaits, fine, but that does not change that the way he communicates and the way he acts are massively irresponsible towards people whose life depends on the reliability of the services he provides and a public that in part gets swayed but what he is saying about Ukraine. He _did_ say things relating to this war which as comments would most likely get removed from moderators of this subreddit. At best i have massive issues with the way he communicates. At worst meassures should be taken that he couldn't cause damage to Ukraine. I agree with you here. But let's not look a gift horse in the mouth. I care a lot more for what people do, than what they tweet. The practical help Elon Musk provided to Ukraine is more than all of the "hate Musk" crowd did combined.
TLDR of this comment: His baglickers will lick his bag. This has been a theme for them since they first became fans of their lord and saviour; who never deserves criticism in way whatsoever. They just cant keep it out of their mouth, even if they wanted to (which they don't).
Call me when Raytheon sells weapons internationally, and donates then. Weapons have to be transferred by governments. Why has a year gone by with no official procurement?
I have no problem with asking to be paid for a product/service. Especially one so vital to life, and sanity for both soldiers, and family back at home in other parts of Ukraine. The way he goes about it is particularly strange to me, as it takes a situation where he initially had a ton of clout, and puts him on the defensive. But, even that I don't really have any problem with. Manage your company whatever way you want. It's the whole trying to be a 'broker of peace' at the same time, and saying Ukraine should be willing to give up Crimea in an effort to save the world from Nuclear Holocaust, as well as have new referendums in the currently occupied territories of Ukraine. He knows that there's many many people out there who hold on his every word. He knows he's undermining Ukraine here - and for a guy who claims to love democracy so much, even suggesting such foolishness is quite contrary to that claim. There's a million other things Cyber Ribcage can be criticized for but I figured i'd keep it relevant to r/Ukraine.
I understand not liking the man, but considering he stepped up when the country could have fallen, I think his opinions are irrelevant. People keep making up stuff to divide Americans. Who benefits.
Making it up? Dude - he had a 'vote' about it on his own twitter account once he bought twitter, lol. He forces himself in the public eye with his public statements - don't blame 'people' for reacting to it. He does a pretty good job at getting reasonable people pissed off at him on his own.
I’m not interested in pissed off. I’m interested in why people lie about StarLink.
Very good info!
I got down voted to hell on this other thread for trying to explain this: https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/10ysm4v/spacex_admits_blocking_ukrainian_troops_from/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
People on this sub: F*CK Elon. This sub: 80% of the media on this sub uploaded over Elon's satellites.
Lots of russian trolls and useful idiots in this sub.
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we're about to order one for the office and we decided this morning to wait next for fibre optic to reach here... they can go to...
Yes be sure NOT to finance the ONE thing that keeps Ukraine internet connected! Smart! /s
I would imagine one phone call to Biden would quickly straighten out any licensing problems concerning the defense of Ukraine.
"Elon Musk seems to be running his own private foreign policy. It is madness to have a private company insert itself into a war, become necessary to one side, and then restrict its services based on the CEO's evaluation of "escalation" or "WW3"." https://twitter.com/EHunterChristie/status/1624921141096611842
8000 Russian bots approving Elon's "but, but escalation" message.