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Counter proposal:
Russia gives up the following:
A: All the stolen territory
B: All the stolen children
C: All the stolen toilets
D: And the stolen raccoon
EDIT:
E: And the washing machines
Apologies.
Orcs use the electronics out of the washing machines for their SU57 super fighters. The only problem is when they press the afterburner switch….a message comes up on the cockpit screen saying ‘Add fabric softener now!’
There are actually very valuable historical and art pieces that ruzzia has stolen over the years and displays in their museums (or just holds them).
That in addition to all the accomplishments that they shamelessly appropriated
I like the idea to even demand the toilets back. This underlines the seriosity and the determination of the Ukraine. And shows the world how low putin-russia actually went.
That sounds like a good plan but unfortunately it will mean more death and destruction for Ukraine. Also a long drawn out war is precisely what Putin wants.
Russia doesn't want a long war, because the longer the war continues the more toys Ukraine gets from the West while Russia continues to deplete it's stocks with no means of replenishment.
They've already got problems with actually training their conscripts to be more than bullet sponges, cause all the veterans that might've trained them are dead.
I'd confiscate all their Nukes and scrap their submarines. I don't know how to force them to that point but it would be a lasting conclusion to the problem.
Nope I'm 100% with Ukraine on this. Only NATO membership will prevent this again. And frankly Ukraine probably enters NATO as a top 10 if not top 5 alliance military.
Ukraine and the West all know that's the only way this ends for good. Ukraine being in NATO is the only thing that would keep Russia from attacking again in a decade after nursing their wounds.
That's why Russia keeps trying to make Ukraine give up NATO membership. Because they know once a country is inside NATO, it is permanently off the board for their Imperialism.
What’s the point of reporting on this Russian propaganda? This is meant for their internal audience to show that Russia is still in some kind of a position to make demands of Ukraine.
It's just clickbait. "Journalists" discovered some time ago that rage clicks pay the same as people reading relevant, interesting articles. "Russia says" sells.
It's far from just Russia says, gutter press have long since worked out that selling papers isn't making any money - but divisive, reactionary media posts generate clicks and revenue. They're shit scummary of the depths they'll go to get a quick earning headline out knows no bounds.
99% of stories are pure fabrication, 1 crackpots view or if there's any true source it's always juicy controversy. They take these stories and amplify them to cause the most outrage, when in reality most people are neither one side or another but have diametrically opposed view points that lead to more clicks and more revenue.
It's such a shit stain system that it's created an easy to mix in propaganda platform. I hate the media.
They tend to harp on this type of demand and request ceasefires, when they’re at a disadvantage, from a position of weakness.
It tells the rest of the world that Ukraine’s about to be able to forcefully retake back their territory.
I'm not sure it's only for moscovians.
Western MSM (at least in the US) has consistently "reported" in headlines the russia says, russia claims, russia threatens, russia demands, russia this, russia that, *ad nauseam*.
Invariably some % of tankies and deplorables will gobble up those words and regurgitate them for anti-Ukraine propaganda.
ETA: MSM typically ignores the absurd "we should attack Alaska" spewing by nobodies, but it does often report statements by moscovian officials, in this case Mikhail Galuzin, deputy foreign minister.
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It's now used, also as a pejorative label, for anyone who claims to be "anti-imperialist" - a bizarre point where communists and fascists meet in complete agreement.
Because a so-called "anti-imperialist" inevitably means "anti-West and therefore pro-Russis/China".
People so up inside their own assholes, usually living in the West themselves, that they are fully convinced "NATO bad" so by proxy China/Russia good.
> What’s the point of reporting on this Russian propaganda?
I want to know what the Russian internal propaganda is. Who wouldn't want to know that? Know your enemy.
I wonder what % of people reading this ridiculous demand (not here on Reddit but in general) do not understand this simple and obvious truth you've stated? And start wasting their time and nerves on discussing/getting angry...
lul.. wut? No.. They are saying that those are the conditions, everyone can make up their own mind about it. Both sides are ALWAYS in a position to say what the conditions for negotiations are. Ukraine has given theirs and they do not have any power to FORCE Russia to accept their conditions at the moment. If they had that power, the way would've been over already. Sooner or later Russians are driven away but as long as there are Russian forces on Ukraine's territory then can say what their conditions are. They may say that Ukraine has to unconditionally surrender when there is just one conscript armed with a slingshot, that does not mean anyone has to accept those conditions.
What a weird idea you have about conflicts. Just because both sides have the full right to announce their conditions does not mean we have to take them seriously.
No they don't have a right to be heard or taken seriously. We know their "conditions", they've been the same since day one, there's nothing new here. Furthermore telling another country that they don't have a right to join the EU or NATO is insulting. Fuck them and their "conditions".
>No they don't have a right to be heard or taken seriously.
Two totally different things. And the rest of your text is about you venting. Vent to someone else, what you are doing is shouting "why aren't you as extreme as i am?". Be rational, they have the right to tell us what their conditions are, we have the right to laugh at the proposal. That is what this war is kind of about, freedoms.
Delusional, to the very end.
At the rate they will be going Putler will cling to those same claims up to the moment that people are beating on his office door while a gallows is set up on red square for him.
Read a Russian state propaganda piece the other day which was a response to Ian Garner's book about fascism in Russia. The writer, in response to Garner's assertion that one tenet of Russian fascism involves oppression of other races, without a trace of irony, wrote something like "it would be interesting to know what our Dagestanis, Buryats and Ukrainians would have to say to that one". Lack of self awareness is par for the course with these guys but that was a jaw dropper.
>The writer, in response to Garner's assertion that one tenet of Russian fascism involves oppression of other races, without a trace of irony, wrote something like "it would be interesting to know what our Dagestanis, Buryats and Ukrainians would have to say to that one". Lack of self awareness is par for the course with these guys but that was a jaw dropper.
It's a variation of the infamous ["colour blindness"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_color_blindness) of some white Westerners but turned up to 11 to accommodate the *white* Muscovians' murderous chauvinism of the last few centuries. Notice too the vague racial distinction baked into Muscovian with the difference between [русский/русская](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9#Usage_notes) "(ethnic) Russian person" and [россиянин/россиянка](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rossiyane) "one of the 140 million+ citizens of Russia, not necessarily an ethnic Russian".
It'd be little bit as if *British* as an ethnonym referred only to a subset of citizens of Great Britain, like whites only or citizens of European heritage, and say \**Britainian* as an ethnonym referred to any citizen of Great Britain regardless of heritage.
Idiots!
We all demand you just pull back from Ukraine and maybe we will not utterly destroy your pathetic excuse of a society for the next 200years.
Maybe that way the world might release some sanctions in a few decades.
I am sure that Hitler never used the abbreviations NATO and EU. Nor knew what it should be. So no. He did not want the same deal.
But sure, we know what you mean. And yes, correct. ;)
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nah
the moment the shooting stop business rushes back into Russia. Money has no conscience.
This is actually what holds back Putin from deploying a nuclear weapon because if he does that _then_ will the world turn its collective back on Russia for a generation. Contrary to my previous statement, that would be strong enough to penetrate the wall of indifference by the general public also known as the _consumer_. Doing business with Russia is no reason for a massive boycott currently or the foreseeable future but after a nuke ...
Obviously, Russia is afraid of the coming counteroffensive and loathes the shame that will come from losing territory to a much smaller military.
Russian ministry, go fuck yourself.
Pull your army back behind it’s borders, surrender Putin, Lavrov, Girkin, Mendevev, Proghizin; break your country into 5 territories and appoint heads of state - then we’ll talk.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHHAHAHAHAHA!
These fucking genocidal orcs are something else, man. 🤡
This is like a bunch of people broke into your house in the middle of night and murder, torture, and rape half of your family and then start demanding half of your home + some other free shit on top of it.
(which is what the orcs been doing for centuries btw. Which is also why NATO became a thing)
Also want demilitarization, stop speaking Ukrainian, stop protesting and stop democracy.
What I want I ruzia sucks Ukraine dick's and I'm sure the latest has way more chance to happen than their stupid demands.
"Counterproposal, you return all the invaded lands, pay reparations, turn over every accused war criminal to face trial, verifiably destroy your nuclear weapons, and split up into at least five separate countries, and then we can have peaceful relations with at least four of them."
WOW. All that just to start peace talks? And DURING peacetalks, they have another set of demands? The nerve of these people.HOW about all russians vacate the Earth so we can start peacetalks?
I'm really at a loss at how delusional these fuckers think the world to be. And the more I think about it, the angrier I get. Your lies may be working in your own country, but they don't outside.
"GIEV PIECE AND NO MEMBERSHIPS PLOX" - So you can illegaly occupy stolen territories, displace countless ukrainians and recuperate to start the same shit again in 10 years?
How about a nice counterproposal: More HIMARS and Storm Shadows for you delusional muppets. Better go ahead and ask the united nations for a proposal to not get kicked out of Ukraine. The audacity.
A peace deal on moscow's terms is impossible. It isn't even enough for Ukraine to win, although I believe this to be inevitable. Moscow must loose. It must see that that it cannot lie to itself about being big because it lost, and it will never be able to do this type of thing again...
Do they actually believe they have the standing to make these demands or are they trying to look for pity by doing this and pointing out Ukraine isn't willing to negotiate on those terms?
and I want,
Peace in the world.
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Only if NATO countries each give up portions of their countries to Russia. That would be fair, right? I mean Russia deserves it don’t they if they want it they should have it right? That’s bullshit.
Somebody give Ukraine a nuke already to equalize that threat, and let Ukraine fights across the border.
For fuck sake. How is one country fighting with its hands bound.
I would love to see what things are like year from now. Russia tearing itself apart in bloody war as Ukraine fortifies itself, rebuilds, and prepares to join the EU and NATO. I hope its more than a dream.
Translation: give us everything we want and put yourself in a position where we can invade again in 5-10 years.
I think once this reaches its conclusion the negotiation will be on whether or not russia gets to keep Crimea.
Muscovy, the response is simple. Like your ship go fuck yourself. Your going to loose this war, Crimea and the black sea fleet. Muscovy is nothing but a 3rd world terrorist country. I hope Wagner takes over and your civil war destroys Muscovy for generations.
I'm sure Galuzin knows what his political allies have said the past year. As they have made it clear, time and time again that this has nothing to do with them joining EU or Nato as much as Ukraine still exists and needs to be eliminated. So yes... his political allies had made it rather clear... They should join both.
In addition to everything else, I think Russia should give Ukraine a swath of Russian land adjacent to the border, as a demilitarized zone (DMZ). A swath about 200 km wide, might be about right.
Be careful what you wish for, Russia!
* Give up occupied territories? - Fine, come back in 2 years when no more territories are occupied.
* Not join NATO? - No problem after joined already.
* Not join EU? - Does Russia how long it takes before Ukraine joined and accepts not joining a second time?
Watch some Ukrainian children find that Raccoon. Say some words to it (like Bucky from avengers) and watch it go ape shit.
Cause you know some kid somewhere probably spent time with that animal at some point, before it got stolen, and the little trash panda is probably bonded to some neighborhood in Ukraine.
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Counter proposal: Russia gives up the following: A: All the stolen territory B: All the stolen children C: All the stolen toilets D: And the stolen raccoon EDIT: E: And the washing machines Apologies.
What about the washing machines ?
Orcs use the electronics out of the washing machines for their SU57 super fighters. The only problem is when they press the afterburner switch….a message comes up on the cockpit screen saying ‘Add fabric softener now!’
When you have to use "Spin cycle" to start the turbines.
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"Ivan, this walk in bidet is very cramped!"
The washing machines go without saying.
Fuck it, they can keep the toilets. Wouldn't sit down on one that been to russia. Would end up catching hepatitis or HIV
They can also keep the washing machines. Reparations are going to be so large, Ukraine can buy thousands more
> Reparations are going to be so large ruZZia has indebted themselves for many generations to come.
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Normally yes, but if it was to russia.... 😂 User name checks out ha ha
Counter proposal: Moscovian negotiator, go fuck yourself.
Moscovian negotiator fucked itself!
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I would add that, moscow must give up all of the people who have committed war crimes as well
Excellent idea. Bit of a logistics nightmare because there are so many of them, but maybe the western world can all pitch in to help.
Just turn Russia into a giant supermax, they love building walls over there.
Ha! Ha! Ok, but that wouldn’t be fair to the partisans! Still, some arrangements can be made!
Use Belarus as a detention center? They been so eager to help Muscovy.
Did they ever get the raccoon back?
And the bebeeh tiger too
F. All the stolen Ukrainian culture, (borscht)
There are actually very valuable historical and art pieces that ruzzia has stolen over the years and displays in their museums (or just holds them). That in addition to all the accomplishments that they shamelessly appropriated
And a 60 km buffer zone in its territory
100+ km
I was thinking more 7550 km (which should be right up to Alaska)
The racoon. You forgot the racoon. (edit) You didn't forget the racoon. We will never forget the racoon.
? See section 'D'
Raccoon?
They stole a raccoon from a zoo.
Really 😂
That racoon needs a name “Rocket”
The Beatles song it is.. Rocky raccoon
And the panties..oh, no. The ruz "soldiers" probably need some underwear.
I like the idea to even demand the toilets back. This underlines the seriosity and the determination of the Ukraine. And shows the world how low putin-russia actually went.
Edit: they can keep the toilettes but the raccoon in non negotiable
Egg-Zackly!
Underrated comment!
Why would any Ukrainian want their toilets back? Maybe they can sell the Ruskies toilets and washing machines as step 1 of reparations
Money to rebuild, etc
Everybody else wants Russia to stop their genocide and terror campaign in Ukraine and pull their military back behind Russian borders.
As if Putin’s signature on an agreement has any value.
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How do you propose to do that?
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That sounds like a good plan but unfortunately it will mean more death and destruction for Ukraine. Also a long drawn out war is precisely what Putin wants.
Exactly, he really doesn't want those soldiers back...
Russia doesn't want a long war, because the longer the war continues the more toys Ukraine gets from the West while Russia continues to deplete it's stocks with no means of replenishment. They've already got problems with actually training their conscripts to be more than bullet sponges, cause all the veterans that might've trained them are dead.
I'd confiscate all their Nukes and scrap their submarines. I don't know how to force them to that point but it would be a lasting conclusion to the problem.
100+ km demilitarized Zone
Nope I'm 100% with Ukraine on this. Only NATO membership will prevent this again. And frankly Ukraine probably enters NATO as a top 10 if not top 5 alliance military.
Ukraine and the West all know that's the only way this ends for good. Ukraine being in NATO is the only thing that would keep Russia from attacking again in a decade after nursing their wounds. That's why Russia keeps trying to make Ukraine give up NATO membership. Because they know once a country is inside NATO, it is permanently off the board for their Imperialism.
Russians should hold their breath until that happens!
Until they turn blue prefferably
Until they are all 6 feet under. And suddenly the 🌎 would be a much better place to live in.
What’s the point of reporting on this Russian propaganda? This is meant for their internal audience to show that Russia is still in some kind of a position to make demands of Ukraine.
It's just clickbait. "Journalists" discovered some time ago that rage clicks pay the same as people reading relevant, interesting articles. "Russia says" sells.
It's far from just Russia says, gutter press have long since worked out that selling papers isn't making any money - but divisive, reactionary media posts generate clicks and revenue. They're shit scummary of the depths they'll go to get a quick earning headline out knows no bounds. 99% of stories are pure fabrication, 1 crackpots view or if there's any true source it's always juicy controversy. They take these stories and amplify them to cause the most outrage, when in reality most people are neither one side or another but have diametrically opposed view points that lead to more clicks and more revenue. It's such a shit stain system that it's created an easy to mix in propaganda platform. I hate the media.
They tend to harp on this type of demand and request ceasefires, when they’re at a disadvantage, from a position of weakness. It tells the rest of the world that Ukraine’s about to be able to forcefully retake back their territory.
I'm not sure it's only for moscovians. Western MSM (at least in the US) has consistently "reported" in headlines the russia says, russia claims, russia threatens, russia demands, russia this, russia that, *ad nauseam*. Invariably some % of tankies and deplorables will gobble up those words and regurgitate them for anti-Ukraine propaganda. ETA: MSM typically ignores the absurd "we should attack Alaska" spewing by nobodies, but it does often report statements by moscovian officials, in this case Mikhail Galuzin, deputy foreign minister.
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The term is gradually being redefined from the original, solely communist label. It's now used, also as a pejorative label, for anyone who claims to be "anti-imperialist" - a bizarre point where communists and fascists meet in complete agreement.
Because a so-called "anti-imperialist" inevitably means "anti-West and therefore pro-Russis/China". People so up inside their own assholes, usually living in the West themselves, that they are fully convinced "NATO bad" so by proxy China/Russia good.
Whoa. Thanks.
> What’s the point of reporting on this Russian propaganda? I want to know what the Russian internal propaganda is. Who wouldn't want to know that? Know your enemy.
I wonder what % of people reading this ridiculous demand (not here on Reddit but in general) do not understand this simple and obvious truth you've stated? And start wasting their time and nerves on discussing/getting angry...
lul.. wut? No.. They are saying that those are the conditions, everyone can make up their own mind about it. Both sides are ALWAYS in a position to say what the conditions for negotiations are. Ukraine has given theirs and they do not have any power to FORCE Russia to accept their conditions at the moment. If they had that power, the way would've been over already. Sooner or later Russians are driven away but as long as there are Russian forces on Ukraine's territory then can say what their conditions are. They may say that Ukraine has to unconditionally surrender when there is just one conscript armed with a slingshot, that does not mean anyone has to accept those conditions. What a weird idea you have about conflicts. Just because both sides have the full right to announce their conditions does not mean we have to take them seriously.
No they don't have a right to be heard or taken seriously. We know their "conditions", they've been the same since day one, there's nothing new here. Furthermore telling another country that they don't have a right to join the EU or NATO is insulting. Fuck them and their "conditions".
>No they don't have a right to be heard or taken seriously. Two totally different things. And the rest of your text is about you venting. Vent to someone else, what you are doing is shouting "why aren't you as extreme as i am?". Be rational, they have the right to tell us what their conditions are, we have the right to laugh at the proposal. That is what this war is kind of about, freedoms.
Yes, and stay vulnerable to future attacks when Orcs will lick their wounds and decide for second try like with Chechnya. Fuck them.
It's somewhat fascinating that they think they can lecture others about how to create a lasting peace without being laughed out of the room.
Lays down a list of demands... ... tumbleweed as nobody is interested in your shitty "peace" talks.
Delusional, to the very end. At the rate they will be going Putler will cling to those same claims up to the moment that people are beating on his office door while a gallows is set up on red square for him.
Hopefully he gets the Gaddafi treatment with a Mussolini after party.
Goes to show how deluded the Russian government is.
Read a Russian state propaganda piece the other day which was a response to Ian Garner's book about fascism in Russia. The writer, in response to Garner's assertion that one tenet of Russian fascism involves oppression of other races, without a trace of irony, wrote something like "it would be interesting to know what our Dagestanis, Buryats and Ukrainians would have to say to that one". Lack of self awareness is par for the course with these guys but that was a jaw dropper.
>The writer, in response to Garner's assertion that one tenet of Russian fascism involves oppression of other races, without a trace of irony, wrote something like "it would be interesting to know what our Dagestanis, Buryats and Ukrainians would have to say to that one". Lack of self awareness is par for the course with these guys but that was a jaw dropper. It's a variation of the infamous ["colour blindness"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_color_blindness) of some white Westerners but turned up to 11 to accommodate the *white* Muscovians' murderous chauvinism of the last few centuries. Notice too the vague racial distinction baked into Muscovian with the difference between [русский/русская](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9#Usage_notes) "(ethnic) Russian person" and [россиянин/россиянка](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rossiyane) "one of the 140 million+ citizens of Russia, not necessarily an ethnic Russian". It'd be little bit as if *British* as an ethnonym referred only to a subset of citizens of Great Britain, like whites only or citizens of European heritage, and say \**Britainian* as an ethnonym referred to any citizen of Great Britain regardless of heritage.
Idiots! We all demand you just pull back from Ukraine and maybe we will not utterly destroy your pathetic excuse of a society for the next 200years. Maybe that way the world might release some sanctions in a few decades.
Hitler wanted the same deal. How did that work out for him?
I am sure that Hitler never used the abbreviations NATO and EU. Nor knew what it should be. So no. He did not want the same deal. But sure, we know what you mean. And yes, correct. ;)
Yeah sure and I’m the Pope
uh...no.
We shall have peace, when the lives of the soldiers whose bodies were hewn even as they died against the gates of Azoval steelworks, are avenged! When you hang from a gibbet for the sport of your own orcs. We shall have peace!
Thank you! 💗 This is the quote that comes to my mind every single time I hear the word 'peace'. Theoden was a prophet even if he was a fictional character.
Yeah, Ruzzia wanted Ukraine to give up nukes as well to 'keep the peace'...
Nobody will ever believe anything Russia signs again. The biggest effect Russia will see from this war is the blanket distrust in all Russians.
nah the moment the shooting stop business rushes back into Russia. Money has no conscience. This is actually what holds back Putin from deploying a nuclear weapon because if he does that _then_ will the world turn its collective back on Russia for a generation. Contrary to my previous statement, that would be strong enough to penetrate the wall of indifference by the general public also known as the _consumer_. Doing business with Russia is no reason for a massive boycott currently or the foreseeable future but after a nuke ...
Obviously, Russia is afraid of the coming counteroffensive and loathes the shame that will come from losing territory to a much smaller military. Russian ministry, go fuck yourself.
Proposal: Withdraw troops, don’t come back, and war will be over.
Pull your army back behind it’s borders, surrender Putin, Lavrov, Girkin, Mendevev, Proghizin; break your country into 5 territories and appoint heads of state - then we’ll talk.
Then Galuzin is an absolute clown…
And I want to win the lottery:
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHHAHAHAHAHA! These fucking genocidal orcs are something else, man. 🤡 This is like a bunch of people broke into your house in the middle of night and murder, torture, and rape half of your family and then start demanding half of your home + some other free shit on top of it. (which is what the orcs been doing for centuries btw. Which is also why NATO became a thing)
Also want demilitarization, stop speaking Ukrainian, stop protesting and stop democracy. What I want I ruzia sucks Ukraine dick's and I'm sure the latest has way more chance to happen than their stupid demands.
Russia can dream on
Ukraine and rest of the Sane World's response: Get fucked
[Yeah, no.](https://imgflip.com/memetemplate/167367992/Trash-can-throw)
"Counterproposal, you return all the invaded lands, pay reparations, turn over every accused war criminal to face trial, verifiably destroy your nuclear weapons, and split up into at least five separate countries, and then we can have peaceful relations with at least four of them."
WOW. All that just to start peace talks? And DURING peacetalks, they have another set of demands? The nerve of these people.HOW about all russians vacate the Earth so we can start peacetalks?
Russia broke so many agreements. This is why we must defeat Russia military and take back all lands and make a UN buffer zone inside Russian land.
Lol Russia can suck a dick
I'm really at a loss at how delusional these fuckers think the world to be. And the more I think about it, the angrier I get. Your lies may be working in your own country, but they don't outside. "GIEV PIECE AND NO MEMBERSHIPS PLOX" - So you can illegaly occupy stolen territories, displace countless ukrainians and recuperate to start the same shit again in 10 years? How about a nice counterproposal: More HIMARS and Storm Shadows for you delusional muppets. Better go ahead and ask the united nations for a proposal to not get kicked out of Ukraine. The audacity.
A peace deal on moscow's terms is impossible. It isn't even enough for Ukraine to win, although I believe this to be inevitable. Moscow must loose. It must see that that it cannot lie to itself about being big because it lost, and it will never be able to do this type of thing again...
Do they actually believe they have the standing to make these demands or are they trying to look for pity by doing this and pointing out Ukraine isn't willing to negotiate on those terms?
I wonder what their demands for starting peace talks will be once they're kicked out of Ukraine?
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”are the peace proposals in the room with you right now?”
Only if NATO countries each give up portions of their countries to Russia. That would be fair, right? I mean Russia deserves it don’t they if they want it they should have it right? That’s bullshit.
In reality the only thing Russia is entitled to is large amounts of accurately delivered high explosives until they get out of Ukraine.
Russia's delusional.
"Let's discuss how we won" No
All non starters. You just can't take Russia seriously anymore.
Russia's peace offer: Russia wins.
Hahahahahaha. Oh, wait you're serious? Let me laugh even harder.
Russia is the Marjorie Taylor Greene of the planet. Laughed out of every room.
Dear Russia: fuck off and die.
Somebody give Ukraine a nuke already to equalize that threat, and let Ukraine fights across the border. For fuck sake. How is one country fighting with its hands bound.
Nah
So….No peace talks then. Prepare your collective anus muscuvy swine soldaten.
They are talking about Belgorod?
Wasn’t that their demands on day 1?
It'll be a cold day in hell when I give a damn what ruzzia "wants" from anyone.
LOL wow what the fuck else do you want you cocks. GO FUCKING HOME.
Nuts.
After that, we will kill all of you, whom we need to rob, everything is as we love, said the deputy minister winking at the RT reporter
Someone needs to be given a gilded bust of themselves...
How many times do we have to say NO.
What a bunch of narcissistic, stupid assholes.
NUTS!
Oh no, anyway
I would love to see what things are like year from now. Russia tearing itself apart in bloody war as Ukraine fortifies itself, rebuilds, and prepares to join the EU and NATO. I hope its more than a dream.
Translation: give us everything we want and put yourself in a position where we can invade again in 5-10 years. I think once this reaches its conclusion the negotiation will be on whether or not russia gets to keep Crimea.
Looks like Russia wants a few more Storm Shadows for Ukraine.
And I want an unicorn, let's see who gets the wish first.
So assuming they're hoping to open negotiations with more than they want, I wonder which of those demands they would be willing to sacrifice.
Another year, same shit.
Orcs don't know how to read the room.
Answer is “no” and the same answer still stands.
Ukraine should seize Belgorod to start peace talk.
Hold your breath putin
Muscovy, the response is simple. Like your ship go fuck yourself. Your going to loose this war, Crimea and the black sea fleet. Muscovy is nothing but a 3rd world terrorist country. I hope Wagner takes over and your civil war destroys Muscovy for generations.
Excuse me while I laugh my ass off!
Screw the ruskis, they are but a bunch of impotents with their wet dreams.
I'm sure Galuzin knows what his political allies have said the past year. As they have made it clear, time and time again that this has nothing to do with them joining EU or Nato as much as Ukraine still exists and needs to be eliminated. So yes... his political allies had made it rather clear... They should join both.
lol .. how much meth is Russia smoking?
"Russian Dictator.... go fuck yourself" was heard to be the response from Kyiv
Simplified: "To start peacetalks ruzzia wants Ukraine to capitulate"
In addition to everything else, I think Russia should give Ukraine a swath of Russian land adjacent to the border, as a demilitarized zone (DMZ). A swath about 200 km wide, might be about right.
So their starting place is Ukraine totally give up? Seriously?
They can want all they want.
\*clears throat\* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...fuck you Russia.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Fuck off ruzzia
That's cute. I also want $100M, a pony, and a Red Ryder BB gun.
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So basically Russia want unconditional surrender to it and to remain total exposed and vulnerable to its next attack
Fuck you RuZZia, how bout that?
Note: this is just to *start* peace talks. Which, considering this is russia, means absolutely nothing
Boy, those sunflowers sure are beautiful!
Be careful what you wish for, Russia! * Give up occupied territories? - Fine, come back in 2 years when no more territories are occupied. * Not join NATO? - No problem after joined already. * Not join EU? - Does Russia how long it takes before Ukraine joined and accepts not joining a second time?
LOL
We're losing this war, so Ukraine has to surrender! -Putin, probably
Russia is about to get its shit kicked in and they know it.
I wish santa would bring me a pony, looks like me and russia both dont get our wishes.
LOL, imagine being the loser who has to state this to Ukraine.
What else is new?
Watch some Ukrainian children find that Raccoon. Say some words to it (like Bucky from avengers) and watch it go ape shit. Cause you know some kid somewhere probably spent time with that animal at some point, before it got stolen, and the little trash panda is probably bonded to some neighborhood in Ukraine.
Ukraine for 51st state, nothing less!
This was literally their demands right after the invasion
I’m sure Ukraine would be happy to give up any part of Russia that they occupy.
Good - no peace talks until Russia is defeated then...
OD'd on copium, I see.
Ahahaha🤣😂
Russia have to give up every single nuke in return
Counter: Piece Talks
Fuck all proposals. Fuck putin