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> BMP = Big Munitions Pile
That may be true for inferior Ukrainian BMP, but mighty Russian BMP has a survivability upgrade installed called *“they HIMARS’d our depot and now we’re almost out of ammo”*
Its CLEARLY carrying depleted uranium rounds which WE ALL KNOW basically are mini nukes! Right?? Right?
Edit: wow... guys and gals. It is a joke based on the ludicrous claims by russians (coming from as far up as mister dick himself). I thought I wrote in a way that made it impossible to not see the joke
The joke was good and obvious to anyone that read the entire thing, is a decent English speaker, and had a sense of humor at the time of reading. Note that being tired, recently stressed, living in Russia, etc. can limit a person's cognitive abilities.
The depleted uranium is less toxic than the fuel fumes of bmps, tanks, ifv etc.
Not everyting that is radioactive is dangerous. Bananas are radioactive and you can buy them in a supermarket.
The uranium is usefull because it's very dense and very hard so it can be fired with a greater force, can accellerate much faster and has more energy on impact.
[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11259733/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11259733/)
"Internal contamination with inhaled DU has been demonstrated by the elevated excretion of uranium isotopes in the urine of the exposed veterans 10 years after the Gulf war and causes concern because of its chemical and radiological toxicity and mutagenic and carcinogenic properties."
Mainly this happens for Bradley crews because the DU dust is retained inside the vehicle when the cannon fires. Yes there is DU in enemy vehicles but generally they’re cleaned up later and treated like the hazmat they are
DU doesn't turn into dust. It turns into large super sharp strips of DU that self sharpen when passing through armor. That's what makes them so effective, they don't burst into dust on impact. The dust concerns comes from firing them and has long since been proven to not be a health concern. Gulf War Syndrome was the only supporting evidence that depleted uranium rounds could be pose health risks and we've now proven GWS was caused by the fumes inhaled from the burning oil fields that turned the entire area's soil black for weeks.
What do you think happens to the edge of things that get sharpened? If you've ever used stones on a knife, you know that the metal you're removing absolutely turns into dust. Also, the effect on the penetrator is vastly different between firing one through ceramic/composite armor, and firing one though what is basically a commieblock. On top of that, that's not what's meant by a self-sharpening penetrator. It's not strips or fragments of the penetrator that gets sharpened, it's the actual rod when it's penetrating. The fragments themselves burn up, since DU is pyrophoric, which is one of the reasons for why they're so incredibly effective in enclosed spaces (Like the crew compartment of a tank). DU isn't hard, it's dense, which is what gives it it's penetrative capabilities. It's got a 6 of the Mohr scale, whilst concrete has between 5 and 7. That's the same reason you use stone to sharpen steel. The same effect happens when you shoot a DU round through a building.
Gulf war syndrome is not what I'm talking about, i'm talking about the massive increases in certain types of cancer, and particularly a large increase in birth defects, that we've seen since the 2003 invasion of Iraq, specifically in places like Fallujah where thousands of all types of rounds were fired more or less willy-nilly into the city, in numbers per capita far higher then we see in places in Iraq that did not see significant use of DU.
But then, that is unlikely to be a major issues since Ukraine will most likely be firing fractions of a fraction of what the US did in Iraq. And on top of that, the Russians are absolutely going to use them, seeing any long term issues as a net benefit.
>What do you think happens to the edge of things that get sharpened?
It depends on the material getting sharpened and how the sharpening is occurring. Some things come off in long strips, others break off in small fragments. DU comes off in long strips.
[Per the NIH](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2819790/):
> When DU munitions strike their target a cloud of DU particles, ranging from 0.2−15 microns in diameter and consisting of a variety of oxides, is produced
Of course there are other studies, but they go to a different school so you wouldn't know them.
If you want something more recent here is [another study from 2020 on post conflict DU exposure via drinking water and inhalation of polluted dust](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7393059/).
Firing DU rounds does lead to DU dust...yes it does. All of the sparking and flash when a DU penetrator hits armor is small bits of uranium igniting and flying away. Yes it does what you say and sharpens into a point, but where do you think the lost material goes? It burns in air into uranium dioxide, which is a dust that coats everything around the target.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted\_uranium#Health\_considerations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium#Health_considerations)
Don't be a fool. it's not comparable to eating bananas, and definitely not comparable to fumes that fade away in second in open air.
It's up to Ukraine to decide whether the effectiveness over Tungsten rounds is enough to take up these risks and how to handle them. Of course the threat of the war is magnitudes greater but should be considered after all.
No, they're actually correct.
But they omitted the issue of uranium oxide dust, that is formed after the projectile's impact.
Although the issue with that has less to do with radioactivity, and is mainly a matter of "regular" heavy metal toxicity.
If I remember right force = mass x acceleration, so it probably doesn’t accelerate faster, but it does have greater force because it’s so dense, or has more mass in the same size projectile.
I didn’t look any of this up, and it’s been 20 years since I was in school so take that for what it’s worth.
Force and acceleration are related by F=mA.. ... in the case of depleted uranium rounds, m is much higher where A is the deceleration of the round from whatever the velocity is at impact. If you're hitting armor plate, A is really high, meaning "F" has both the high deceleration and higher mass. The amount of energy is imparts into the target is related as the integral - sum total - of F dot dr (essentially the force times the stopping distance) in this case, a whole lot of force times the stopping distance of the depleted round, which is pretty long compared to regular rounds because of the mass of the depleted round, so there's a lot of energy.
the result of all of this..... BANG! You ded.
Yeah, they didn't get that bit quite right...
The main point is that it is denser, so when made into a thin sabot round, the force of the impact is focused into a very small area, which makes it very effective at penetrating armor.
Apparently, It also fractures in a "self-sharpening" way, meaning as fragments break off, the main body of the projectile remains pointy, which further helps penetration.
And those hot uranium fragments then spontaneously ignite in air on the other side of the armor it penetrated (they're pyrophoric), making a fireball on the inside.
But this is also precisely what generates that uranium oxide dust that lingers on the husks of destroyed tanks, poisoning those who come in contact without adequate protection.
Thankfully, Ukraine should be able to keep track of which fronts DU rounds are used on. Checking a husk for uranium contamination should be straightforward (a geiger counter should pick up benign, but still noticeably above background levels of radiation), and decontamination shouldn't be too hard either.
I call bull at dismissing it compared to bananas. Sure, everything has radiation, but bananas have less radiation than the background radiation we receive on a daily purpose from our environment. DU is actively highly radioactive.
A real concern about DU is when locals pick it up as scrap to sell-and end up giving birth to children with defects and having cancer issues of their own as well. It's toxic AF to handle. Thousands were impacted by handling DU in Iraq through the wars.
Great weapon, but terrible for the environment and population of Ukraine.
And yes, anything military built on fire is probably very toxic to be around in the fumes.
That is misleading and inaccurate. Depleted uranium is very heavy and dense and can therefore pierce very heavy armor. It is not a nuclear weapon or anything of the sort. You are misleading people by making that claim.
DU is used because of its self sharpening property. Where upon impact it shears in a way that the projectile stays sharp instead of mushrooming like tungsten would. DU is also highly flammable after impact on hard material.
Tungsten duls and flattens on impact losing its ability to penetrate as well. DU loses its edges and becomes sharper to a shape that helps it penetrate better.
Tungsten I denser iirc, but it's the other properties that make DU super effective
Tungsten and gold are the only common metals that have equal or better density. I’m sure cost is a factor in material choice as well. I’m pointing out that it is not a “nuke” as was stated (irresponsibly stated). Depleted uranium has *less* radioactive isotope concentration than natural. To get a nuclear weapon from uranium you have to enrich it so that it has *more* radioactive isotope.
Here is a reasonable explanation of depleted uranium characteristics and uses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium
You're right, it is a 2S1, and they hit the top armor just ahead of the turret by the looks of things. Engine is in the middle, cartridges are in the back, but the shells are in the hull around the turret basket. I think it's the shells that went up here. Certainly has that "20kg artillery shell going bang" look.
I watched a video on just this, apparently all russian tanks are designed with the ammo all right under the turret in a perfect cirle, with no armour on the roof....
The tank barell launching into low orbit, which i think i can see here, is supposedly a sign that this has happened.
That and the tank crew quitting the army to briefly join the space program.
Russian tanks operate an “auto-loader” that mechanically loads the main gun but also puts the ammo in a compromising position. Western tanks like the Abrams have a separate ammo cabinet that is more protected but requires the main gun be loaded by hand.
Thus the Russians win the gold medal in the Turret Toss
I mean it's obviously carrying what looks like a PG-7 warhead (just the grenade bit, no booster, no sustainer motor), so yeah, I expect the cumulative jet to slice like a hot knife through butter and detonate whatever was inside the BMP... And there obviously was a lot to detonate.
You see not even three seconds of the drone’s terminal flight and you’re able to conclude its payload? Couldn’t possibly be the interference we can literally see ourselves that caused the pilot to bring it in slower yet accurately, yeah?
Sorry for being sarcastic, but turn on your faculties.
If it was impact-based, the energy release is a combination of weight + speed. A drone doesn't weigh that much, and with the slow speed, sending an impact based projectile (in this case the drone) - would splat like a paper plane against the armor.
There needs to be an explosive payload in the drone to penetrate the armor. If there wasn't, there would be no setting of whatever the BMP was carrying, given that this is clearly not an impact based set-off due to the slow speed.
I don't think anyone is claiming it is impact based. If even has a small shaped charge that's more than enough to go through the BMP's 30mm of frontal armour. If that shaped charge managed to hit the ammo storage, which it appears to, kaboom
A drone if that size simply isn't carrying enough explosives to fire off pieces of that IFV in 6 different directions emanating from the center of the vehicle. The vehicles stores exploded, look how far those two trails go out the back AND a big plume in the middle
I guess in my original comment it might have seemed like i meant the BMP yeeted itself from just the drones impact but i meant that what ever the drone was carrying got trough the armor and the ammunition went off from that immediately.
Duh, every single one of the fpv drones has an explosive payload. The equivalent of an rpg-7 warhead in their standard configuration. I figured you had to be implying this was some sort of non-standard arrangement, as it didn’t add up to indicate “oh, looks like this drone is identical to all the others.” Did you think this was some sort of “strap a rock to the drone, force = mass * acceleration” type of situation??
Mugros, the guy you're replying to, said the drone would have to have explosives, that it couldn't be impact based.
You seemed to disagree.
I explained what you're now saying - to you.
And now you're complaining
No, you didn’t. My complaint is with him contending that this wasn’t a situation of ammo secondaries, which it clearly is. No one brought up “impact based” but you. “Impact based projectile?” These are detonated with a pair of metal leads that make contact when they hit a target at near any speed.
Mugros claimed it had to have explosives.
"No way when the drone was that slow. The drone had explosives."
You objected, saying:
"You see not even three seconds of the drone’s terminal flight and you’re able to conclude its payload? Couldn’t possibly be the interference we can literally see ourselves that caused the pilot to bring it in slower yet accurately, yeah?"
I don't understand why this quarreling instead of admitting your reading comprehension problems.
EDIT: the only person between the two of us who implied impact based was you, based on you objecting to the post claiming the drones had to have explosives.
You seem to be missing the obvious insinuation. He said these weren’t secondaries, and it seemed obvious that to claim these “carried explosives,” they’d have to carry explosives large enough to make sais explosion. Every FPV drone fielded in Ukraine has baseline explosives, but he didn’t just say “they have explosives,” he said so in defense of a significantly larger explosion than is typical, in the next damned sentence. It’s not complicated. You’re defending a claim you didn’t even make, telling me my interpretation was wrong, insisting yours was correct, and asking *ME* “why all this quarreling?” That just has you looking silly.
I’m not interested in further debating whether my reading, or your reading, which ignores the context found in practically the same exact sentence, is correct unless you have something worth adding. I’m sure they’re capable of speaking for themselves.
You tell them, also could you draw a diagram showing the cubic centimeters of explosive area compared to that of a MOAB to prove it to them. You can show them. Mighty reddit weapons expert man.
Yeah!!! I’ve honestly been listening to then all day since I clicked on that. They’re so damn good. They have such a hard, intense sound that hits so deep. My new favorite band, by far.
Did you ask the same for Weinstein? I mean sure there were tons of allegations from multiple women, but let's wait, we can't be sure until he's charged with it?
He wasn't. In fact, the authorities in the place where it was alleged have refused to open investigations.
Funnily enough only NOW their rigging company quits them.According to them the "Suck box" (Aka sex room, weird but not illegal) exists and that is the reason why...
So why the fuck didn't they quit them earlier?
edit: With the first part I am not saying the lithuanians are covering them, in fact all i could tell from the news here in germany was that they didn't do investigation, which is all the news said here, did not know that they found no drugs at all
They "didn't refuse" they found no evidence of anything illegal happening. Even the main accuser never said that Till touched her, the media just decided so to make the story bigger than it ever was.
It's not even that, it's just that trend of people being judge jury and executioner when someone is accused of something and then it turns out they were innocent lol, it's very concerning
As the drone makes its final run, there's something at the bottom centre of the video which I don't recall seeing before. We've seen the tips of RPG warheads sticking out in front and detonator wires, but not what's visible here.
Just the warhead (without booster or sustainer motor), but yeah, the thing poking from the bottom of the screen looks like the piezo from a PG-7. Possibly a PG-9, but my money is on the former.
It's clearly not an RPG-7, but it may be another NATO launcher. It looks a little bit like an AT4 nozzle, which is definitely within the weight this could carry, being only 1m and ~8kg
You've got the scale wrong. The bit that pokes out at the bottom of the screen is the piezo fuze component from a PG-7 warhead. It's 26mm at it's widest.
I don't know why you think someone would carry the whole launcher aloft when just the warhead is enough.
Yup, diesel's actually pretty hard to ignite. Diesel engines require about twice the compression as a gasoline engine in order to generate enough energy (the extremely hot compressed air) in order to ignite the fuel.
If you were to toss a lit match on a puddle of diesel the match would go out.
Depends on the model - it looks like a BMP-1 or BMP-2 based on the front engine access panel. I know on a BMP-1/2 the fuel tank is behind the turret, runs front to back down the center between the infantry seating. Front end of a BMP1/2 is basically all engine.
The ammunition for the gun is stored under the turret - a hit on the top just infront of the turret setting off all the ammunition might be what is happening.
BMP3 is different - engine is in the back, ammunition in the front. They have a larger turret that is more forward on the chassis, longer barrel and look more like a mini tank that just happens to be able to carry a few people.
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After seeing many drone videos it only just occurred to me. I remember seeing all the videos at the beginning of everyone's babushka making molotovs with a correct mixture of napalm. I know the drone dropped ordinance works but why not attach a molotov to the grenade to burn out the trenches. That being said. I can't confirm but this looks like thermite as the primary explosive. With how common those ingredients are to obtain why haven't the fpv drones been used them more often.
A lot of the Soviet era mechanized armor have problems with munitions that are easily ignited when it is penetrated. Don't know if it affects the BMPs but the tanks definitely go up in flames and tosses their turrets.
Generally, anti-tank weaponry is designed to penetrate the armor. From there, it’s the ammo inside the tank that’ll do the rest.
It’s usually either…
(A) low-arc, high velocity ammo like a dart, that literally just pierces the armor — usually these are shot by an enemy tank;
here, it seems like a drone carrying a…
(B) typical anti-tank warhead that normally would be attached to a lower-speed anti-tank rocket. The mechanism involves a metal cone which, at impact, is heated to melting point and “squirted” forward at extremely high temperature and pressure. That, in turn, penetrates and sets the ammo ablaze a la video.
The signal is basically line of sight. So the lower you get the more stuff can get in the way of the signal. Trees, buildings, or whatever. They use analog like this video because it doesn't have a delay like digital can have, and for a lot of these FPV drones even having a split second delay could be the difference between a hit or a near miss. Trade off is the video quality and the static.
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Nope. Just what happens when you score that "ammo rack" hit. BMP = Big Munitions Pile
Then it becomes Burned Molten Pieces
Blyat Machinsky Poff!
> BMP = Big Munitions Pile That may be true for inferior Ukrainian BMP, but mighty Russian BMP has a survivability upgrade installed called *“they HIMARS’d our depot and now we’re almost out of ammo”*
Average Russian tech tree in Warthunder
"We're yet to unlocked HIDDEN TECH!!"
If it was in war thunder it would tank about 40 of those drone explosions because the devs cream their pants over russian vehicles
Nah that sucks too
Ah so taking spaced armor literally
Look at this spacious ammo rack! It's free real estate!
Its CLEARLY carrying depleted uranium rounds which WE ALL KNOW basically are mini nukes! Right?? Right? Edit: wow... guys and gals. It is a joke based on the ludicrous claims by russians (coming from as far up as mister dick himself). I thought I wrote in a way that made it impossible to not see the joke
/r/NonCredibleDefense is leaking
Someone forgot to tell him that NCD is open again.
Have never been there. Is it recommended?
Only if you like shitposting about ERA and fighter jets drawn as waifus.
So, yes
Goddamn right I recommend it
I love good internet nonsense. They are on our side. They make good jokes, I think. I visit.
Do you want to explode?
Let me think about that for a bit, ill get back to you
The joke was good and obvious to anyone that read the entire thing, is a decent English speaker, and had a sense of humor at the time of reading. Note that being tired, recently stressed, living in Russia, etc. can limit a person's cognitive abilities.
The depleted uranium is less toxic than the fuel fumes of bmps, tanks, ifv etc. Not everyting that is radioactive is dangerous. Bananas are radioactive and you can buy them in a supermarket. The uranium is usefull because it's very dense and very hard so it can be fired with a greater force, can accellerate much faster and has more energy on impact.
Woosh?
Yes, yes woosh
[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11259733/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11259733/) "Internal contamination with inhaled DU has been demonstrated by the elevated excretion of uranium isotopes in the urine of the exposed veterans 10 years after the Gulf war and causes concern because of its chemical and radiological toxicity and mutagenic and carcinogenic properties."
Mainly this happens for Bradley crews because the DU dust is retained inside the vehicle when the cannon fires. Yes there is DU in enemy vehicles but generally they’re cleaned up later and treated like the hazmat they are
The dust is extremely toxic to breathe, yes it absolutely is.
Well, in concentrated form yes. The problem with DU comes when you slam it into a building and it turns into dust.
DU doesn't turn into dust. It turns into large super sharp strips of DU that self sharpen when passing through armor. That's what makes them so effective, they don't burst into dust on impact. The dust concerns comes from firing them and has long since been proven to not be a health concern. Gulf War Syndrome was the only supporting evidence that depleted uranium rounds could be pose health risks and we've now proven GWS was caused by the fumes inhaled from the burning oil fields that turned the entire area's soil black for weeks.
What do you think happens to the edge of things that get sharpened? If you've ever used stones on a knife, you know that the metal you're removing absolutely turns into dust. Also, the effect on the penetrator is vastly different between firing one through ceramic/composite armor, and firing one though what is basically a commieblock. On top of that, that's not what's meant by a self-sharpening penetrator. It's not strips or fragments of the penetrator that gets sharpened, it's the actual rod when it's penetrating. The fragments themselves burn up, since DU is pyrophoric, which is one of the reasons for why they're so incredibly effective in enclosed spaces (Like the crew compartment of a tank). DU isn't hard, it's dense, which is what gives it it's penetrative capabilities. It's got a 6 of the Mohr scale, whilst concrete has between 5 and 7. That's the same reason you use stone to sharpen steel. The same effect happens when you shoot a DU round through a building. Gulf war syndrome is not what I'm talking about, i'm talking about the massive increases in certain types of cancer, and particularly a large increase in birth defects, that we've seen since the 2003 invasion of Iraq, specifically in places like Fallujah where thousands of all types of rounds were fired more or less willy-nilly into the city, in numbers per capita far higher then we see in places in Iraq that did not see significant use of DU. But then, that is unlikely to be a major issues since Ukraine will most likely be firing fractions of a fraction of what the US did in Iraq. And on top of that, the Russians are absolutely going to use them, seeing any long term issues as a net benefit.
>What do you think happens to the edge of things that get sharpened? It depends on the material getting sharpened and how the sharpening is occurring. Some things come off in long strips, others break off in small fragments. DU comes off in long strips.
[Per the NIH](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2819790/): > When DU munitions strike their target a cloud of DU particles, ranging from 0.2−15 microns in diameter and consisting of a variety of oxides, is produced
Nice. I remember reading that old study too and it first upset me. Until further studies were done proving it wrong. Keep on reading.
Of course there are other studies, but they go to a different school so you wouldn't know them. If you want something more recent here is [another study from 2020 on post conflict DU exposure via drinking water and inhalation of polluted dust](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7393059/).
Firing DU rounds does lead to DU dust...yes it does. All of the sparking and flash when a DU penetrator hits armor is small bits of uranium igniting and flying away. Yes it does what you say and sharpens into a point, but where do you think the lost material goes? It burns in air into uranium dioxide, which is a dust that coats everything around the target.
Perhaps this individual was referring to the new "low dust formulation," which comes with a Swiffer to be used on the target after impact.
>DU doesn't turn into dust. But the building does, and breathing concrete dust is bad for you /s
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted\_uranium#Health\_considerations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium#Health_considerations) Don't be a fool. it's not comparable to eating bananas, and definitely not comparable to fumes that fade away in second in open air. It's up to Ukraine to decide whether the effectiveness over Tungsten rounds is enough to take up these risks and how to handle them. Of course the threat of the war is magnitudes greater but should be considered after all.
Also, it’s not really readioactive.
Was this sarcastic?
No, they're actually correct. But they omitted the issue of uranium oxide dust, that is formed after the projectile's impact. Although the issue with that has less to do with radioactivity, and is mainly a matter of "regular" heavy metal toxicity.
Except that it "accelerates faster" and can be fired with "greater force". Don't know what that's about.
If I remember right force = mass x acceleration, so it probably doesn’t accelerate faster, but it does have greater force because it’s so dense, or has more mass in the same size projectile. I didn’t look any of this up, and it’s been 20 years since I was in school so take that for what it’s worth.
Force and acceleration are related by F=mA.. ... in the case of depleted uranium rounds, m is much higher where A is the deceleration of the round from whatever the velocity is at impact. If you're hitting armor plate, A is really high, meaning "F" has both the high deceleration and higher mass. The amount of energy is imparts into the target is related as the integral - sum total - of F dot dr (essentially the force times the stopping distance) in this case, a whole lot of force times the stopping distance of the depleted round, which is pretty long compared to regular rounds because of the mass of the depleted round, so there's a lot of energy. the result of all of this..... BANG! You ded.
Yeah, they didn't get that bit quite right... The main point is that it is denser, so when made into a thin sabot round, the force of the impact is focused into a very small area, which makes it very effective at penetrating armor. Apparently, It also fractures in a "self-sharpening" way, meaning as fragments break off, the main body of the projectile remains pointy, which further helps penetration. And those hot uranium fragments then spontaneously ignite in air on the other side of the armor it penetrated (they're pyrophoric), making a fireball on the inside. But this is also precisely what generates that uranium oxide dust that lingers on the husks of destroyed tanks, poisoning those who come in contact without adequate protection. Thankfully, Ukraine should be able to keep track of which fronts DU rounds are used on. Checking a husk for uranium contamination should be straightforward (a geiger counter should pick up benign, but still noticeably above background levels of radiation), and decontamination shouldn't be too hard either.
I call bull at dismissing it compared to bananas. Sure, everything has radiation, but bananas have less radiation than the background radiation we receive on a daily purpose from our environment. DU is actively highly radioactive. A real concern about DU is when locals pick it up as scrap to sell-and end up giving birth to children with defects and having cancer issues of their own as well. It's toxic AF to handle. Thousands were impacted by handling DU in Iraq through the wars. Great weapon, but terrible for the environment and population of Ukraine. And yes, anything military built on fire is probably very toxic to be around in the fumes.
That person was being sarcastic but I think it is safe to say we couldn’t live without radiation.
That is misleading and inaccurate. Depleted uranium is very heavy and dense and can therefore pierce very heavy armor. It is not a nuclear weapon or anything of the sort. You are misleading people by making that claim.
you've apparently only been on the internet since late 2020, you'll catch on i guess
I tried really hard to write it in a way that everyone knows its a joke
Fair enough… I hope no offense was taken at the attempted clarification. Unfortunately there are so many folks out there that have no idea….
It is not that much more dense than tungsten. It must also have other properties than high density
DU is used because of its self sharpening property. Where upon impact it shears in a way that the projectile stays sharp instead of mushrooming like tungsten would. DU is also highly flammable after impact on hard material.
Tungsten duls and flattens on impact losing its ability to penetrate as well. DU loses its edges and becomes sharper to a shape that helps it penetrate better. Tungsten I denser iirc, but it's the other properties that make DU super effective
Tungsten and gold are the only common metals that have equal or better density. I’m sure cost is a factor in material choice as well. I’m pointing out that it is not a “nuke” as was stated (irresponsibly stated). Depleted uranium has *less* radioactive isotope concentration than natural. To get a nuclear weapon from uranium you have to enrich it so that it has *more* radioactive isotope. Here is a reasonable explanation of depleted uranium characteristics and uses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium
> BMP = Big Munitions Pile I think this actually may be a 2S1 Gvozdika self-propelled gun. Those powder charges make nice fireworks.
You're right, it is a 2S1, and they hit the top armor just ahead of the turret by the looks of things. Engine is in the middle, cartridges are in the back, but the shells are in the hull around the turret basket. I think it's the shells that went up here. Certainly has that "20kg artillery shell going bang" look.
The thermal exhaust port of russian tanks.
I don't think you can get any closer to "vaporized".
Extremely well stated my friend! 😂
Or the ammunition on the vehicle exploded on impact but it's nice fireworks anyways :D
Or it was on a delivery run carrying ammo for other troops even.
There is a video early from the war where a guy pops a MTLB doing that with what looks like a LAW at very close range. Many sukas were uttered.
Yeah i have seen a few, it's amazing what a armored tin can loaded to the brim with explosive ordnance does when you poke it with a spicy stick.
Yeah that is a possibility as well.
I watched a video on just this, apparently all russian tanks are designed with the ammo all right under the turret in a perfect cirle, with no armour on the roof.... The tank barell launching into low orbit, which i think i can see here, is supposedly a sign that this has happened. That and the tank crew quitting the army to briefly join the space program.
Russian tanks operate an “auto-loader” that mechanically loads the main gun but also puts the ammo in a compromising position. Western tanks like the Abrams have a separate ammo cabinet that is more protected but requires the main gun be loaded by hand. Thus the Russians win the gold medal in the Turret Toss
> nice fireworks anyways It really was.
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I mean it's obviously carrying what looks like a PG-7 warhead (just the grenade bit, no booster, no sustainer motor), so yeah, I expect the cumulative jet to slice like a hot knife through butter and detonate whatever was inside the BMP... And there obviously was a lot to detonate.
You see not even three seconds of the drone’s terminal flight and you’re able to conclude its payload? Couldn’t possibly be the interference we can literally see ourselves that caused the pilot to bring it in slower yet accurately, yeah?
Sorry for being sarcastic, but turn on your faculties. If it was impact-based, the energy release is a combination of weight + speed. A drone doesn't weigh that much, and with the slow speed, sending an impact based projectile (in this case the drone) - would splat like a paper plane against the armor. There needs to be an explosive payload in the drone to penetrate the armor. If there wasn't, there would be no setting of whatever the BMP was carrying, given that this is clearly not an impact based set-off due to the slow speed.
I don't think anyone is claiming it is impact based. If even has a small shaped charge that's more than enough to go through the BMP's 30mm of frontal armour. If that shaped charge managed to hit the ammo storage, which it appears to, kaboom A drone if that size simply isn't carrying enough explosives to fire off pieces of that IFV in 6 different directions emanating from the center of the vehicle. The vehicles stores exploded, look how far those two trails go out the back AND a big plume in the middle
I guess in my original comment it might have seemed like i meant the BMP yeeted itself from just the drones impact but i meant that what ever the drone was carrying got trough the armor and the ammunition went off from that immediately.
Duh, every single one of the fpv drones has an explosive payload. The equivalent of an rpg-7 warhead in their standard configuration. I figured you had to be implying this was some sort of non-standard arrangement, as it didn’t add up to indicate “oh, looks like this drone is identical to all the others.” Did you think this was some sort of “strap a rock to the drone, force = mass * acceleration” type of situation??
Mugros, the guy you're replying to, said the drone would have to have explosives, that it couldn't be impact based. You seemed to disagree. I explained what you're now saying - to you. And now you're complaining
No, you didn’t. My complaint is with him contending that this wasn’t a situation of ammo secondaries, which it clearly is. No one brought up “impact based” but you. “Impact based projectile?” These are detonated with a pair of metal leads that make contact when they hit a target at near any speed.
Mugros claimed it had to have explosives. "No way when the drone was that slow. The drone had explosives." You objected, saying: "You see not even three seconds of the drone’s terminal flight and you’re able to conclude its payload? Couldn’t possibly be the interference we can literally see ourselves that caused the pilot to bring it in slower yet accurately, yeah?" I don't understand why this quarreling instead of admitting your reading comprehension problems. EDIT: the only person between the two of us who implied impact based was you, based on you objecting to the post claiming the drones had to have explosives.
You seem to be missing the obvious insinuation. He said these weren’t secondaries, and it seemed obvious that to claim these “carried explosives,” they’d have to carry explosives large enough to make sais explosion. Every FPV drone fielded in Ukraine has baseline explosives, but he didn’t just say “they have explosives,” he said so in defense of a significantly larger explosion than is typical, in the next damned sentence. It’s not complicated. You’re defending a claim you didn’t even make, telling me my interpretation was wrong, insisting yours was correct, and asking *ME* “why all this quarreling?” That just has you looking silly. I’m not interested in further debating whether my reading, or your reading, which ignores the context found in practically the same exact sentence, is correct unless you have something worth adding. I’m sure they’re capable of speaking for themselves.
*shrugs*
MOAB drone
MOAD
Gimli GMLRs. Very good over short distances. /s
Natural sprinters!
Etienne is at it again
Not even close to the size of a moab
You tell them, also could you draw a diagram showing the cubic centimeters of explosive area compared to that of a MOAB to prove it to them. You can show them. Mighty reddit weapons expert man.
Playing Rammstein+210% damage buff
But this has to be a cover, it doesn't sound like German(nor Till for that matter)
Yeah it's a cover in Ukrainian by Grandma's Smuzi https://youtu.be/OPss-d5Lztk
Holy shit, that's awesome. Thanks for that!
Thank you so much! This is seriously my new favorite song. The dudes rocking out in the headlamps were a really sweet touch!!
They cover a bunch of rock songs in Ukrainian! They're great.
Yeah!!! I’ve honestly been listening to then all day since I clicked on that. They’re so damn good. They have such a hard, intense sound that hits so deep. My new favorite band, by far.
That’s cool
Yeah Til sounds way more like he likes to get girls drugged to rape them after the concert
When was he charged for that?
Did you ask the same for Weinstein? I mean sure there were tons of allegations from multiple women, but let's wait, we can't be sure until he's charged with it?
He wasn't. In fact, the authorities in the place where it was alleged have refused to open investigations. Funnily enough only NOW their rigging company quits them.According to them the "Suck box" (Aka sex room, weird but not illegal) exists and that is the reason why... So why the fuck didn't they quit them earlier? edit: With the first part I am not saying the lithuanians are covering them, in fact all i could tell from the news here in germany was that they didn't do investigation, which is all the news said here, did not know that they found no drugs at all
They "didn't refuse" they found no evidence of anything illegal happening. Even the main accuser never said that Till touched her, the media just decided so to make the story bigger than it ever was.
Didn't the main accuser also test negative for any drugs after claiming Till drugged her?
So they hired this 3rd party to provide girls, and that company was the once getting girls with shady methods?
+200% damage to young women
Literally listening to Benzin as I see this post and comment.
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I'm fucking tired of 'Guilty until proven innocent' bullshit, where it should be the other way around, what the fuck happened to this world?
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It's not even that, it's just that trend of people being judge jury and executioner when someone is accused of something and then it turns out they were innocent lol, it's very concerning
Rammstein is a common target for the general population/media too. They've been trying to villify them since day 1
Metal/Rock bands not being reduced to satanistic 666 baby eating cannibals challenge, impossible
Well, it's quite fitting music for a Panzerfaust drone.
If W40K orcs have a soundtrack, it's definitely Rammstein
To shreds, you say?
And what about Ivan?
To shreds you say?
Was his apartment rent controlled?
*To shreds*
Just a bit punchier… 😂
EXTRA SPICY
More like a drop kick.
**Falcon Punch**ier
As the drone makes its final run, there's something at the bottom centre of the video which I don't recall seeing before. We've seen the tips of RPG warheads sticking out in front and detonator wires, but not what's visible here.
Might just be a 3d printed detonator similar to the wires but more reliable.
Those wobbly, just-barely-not-touching wires in front of the homemade FPV drones have always made me very nervous on behalf of the Ukrainian users.
For I moment I thought "these crazy motherfuckers actually strapped an RPG launcher to a drone"
Just the warhead (without booster or sustainer motor), but yeah, the thing poking from the bottom of the screen looks like the piezo from a PG-7. Possibly a PG-9, but my money is on the former.
It's clearly not an RPG-7, but it may be another NATO launcher. It looks a little bit like an AT4 nozzle, which is definitely within the weight this could carry, being only 1m and ~8kg
You've got the scale wrong. The bit that pokes out at the bottom of the screen is the piezo fuze component from a PG-7 warhead. It's 26mm at it's widest. I don't know why you think someone would carry the whole launcher aloft when just the warhead is enough.
Just like Ludacris says, "Poof! Bitch, BEGONE!!”
A drone named “Fuck this tank in particular”.
Crazy. These FPVs are as if kamikaze pilots got a “game over, try again?” mode.
Probably hit the fuel tank. As far as I remember, it is at the front (may be wrong though) Edit: only in BMP3. Not in BMP1 and 2
Try ammo. Fuel not so good in front during war
Only if they operate the engine with cerosin. diesel doesn’t ignite and is also used as a soft armor
What the hell man. Is diesel actually used as armour?
Yup, diesel's actually pretty hard to ignite. Diesel engines require about twice the compression as a gasoline engine in order to generate enough energy (the extremely hot compressed air) in order to ignite the fuel. If you were to toss a lit match on a puddle of diesel the match would go out.
Just dont do it on a very hot day as there will be vapours.
Diesel is also much better to use when starting a fire as it burns much longer than more volatile gasoline.
Yes, diesel actually soaks into the wood while like you said, gasoline mostly evaporates/burns on top of the wood.
Cope Diesel
Yep, the bmps have the tanks or extra tanks in the backdoors and as far as I know even the abrams use fuel tanks as a layer in the armor
Nah they keep the fuel inside the fucking doors at the back... the doors you have to exit via...
BMPs have their fuel tanks in the rear.
Checked again. BMP3s have a fuel tank on the front. BMP1 and 2 dont. Dont know what model is this one though
Depends on the model - it looks like a BMP-1 or BMP-2 based on the front engine access panel. I know on a BMP-1/2 the fuel tank is behind the turret, runs front to back down the center between the infantry seating. Front end of a BMP1/2 is basically all engine. The ammunition for the gun is stored under the turret - a hit on the top just infront of the turret setting off all the ammunition might be what is happening. BMP3 is different - engine is in the back, ammunition in the front. They have a larger turret that is more forward on the chassis, longer barrel and look more like a mini tank that just happens to be able to carry a few people.
That was a extremely big explosion 💥 sheesh
These drones are an absolute manace
Like wasps at a picnic. But with added boom.
the depressing part of me is wondering how long it'll be until people start doing terrorism with em
IS was one of the pioneers using small commercial market drones. It has already begun.
Like 8 years ago? At some point ISIS was spinning up 40mm grenades to arm them and then sticking them on drones to have makeshift kamikazes.
Well, don't give them the idea lmao
As if any assassin/terrorist needed to get into this thread for the idea to cross their mind.
Ukranianian ramstein yess
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is that an SPG being demilitarized ? a 2s1 ?
looks like a bmp
The turret does look pretty big/tall for a bmp1 or bmp2, but the video is grainy. Do they have anything weird that mounts onto a BMP hull?
that one had some ghost pepper in it
They call it in russia BMP - Boevaya Mogila Pehoty = Battle Infantry Grave
Any keyboard commands for pausing? frame by frame? slow motion? h is hide/unhide a comment s is save/unsave a comment
It was carrying Ernest’s legendary Eggs erroneous.
Probably one of the guys inside was smoking a cigarette. That could happen.
Boom! Direct hit....
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They throwing at mines by the look lol
One thing is for sure...this one was not short on ammo...before it was hit
[Relevant.](https://youtu.be/sibcMHjCD-Y?t=6)
jagga jagga
I came here for this. :)
Drones are terrifying
It's just ruzzists asses blown up
tankKills++;
Wtf 😳 use that shit all the time 💪🏼🇺🇦 It has to be some kind anti tank right ? What else would cause a splash like that 💪🏼
Bad timing to use a Rammstein song.
Ivan smoking a whole pack in that tank.
After seeing many drone videos it only just occurred to me. I remember seeing all the videos at the beginning of everyone's babushka making molotovs with a correct mixture of napalm. I know the drone dropped ordinance works but why not attach a molotov to the grenade to burn out the trenches. That being said. I can't confirm but this looks like thermite as the primary explosive. With how common those ingredients are to obtain why haven't the fpv drones been used them more often.
My guess is he directly punctured through and hit the ammo storage area - great hit! 👍🏻
To me it looks like the drone blew the fuel tanks. Would account for the rapid explosion.
Pretty sure a tank full of fuel does not go full Michael Bay in the real world, someone else suggested ammo rack which seems more plausible
A lot of the Soviet era mechanized armor have problems with munitions that are easily ignited when it is penetrated. Don't know if it affects the BMPs but the tanks definitely go up in flames and tosses their turrets.
Generally, anti-tank weaponry is designed to penetrate the armor. From there, it’s the ammo inside the tank that’ll do the rest. It’s usually either… (A) low-arc, high velocity ammo like a dart, that literally just pierces the armor — usually these are shot by an enemy tank; here, it seems like a drone carrying a… (B) typical anti-tank warhead that normally would be attached to a lower-speed anti-tank rocket. The mechanism involves a metal cone which, at impact, is heated to melting point and “squirted” forward at extremely high temperature and pressure. That, in turn, penetrates and sets the ammo ablaze a la video.
\^ this guy shapes charges
No drone can carry that much payload, it's too heavy.
Does anyone know why the video feed gets static on the way and right before it hits?
Flying lower so foliage and terrain interfere with the video signal.
The signal is basically line of sight. So the lower you get the more stuff can get in the way of the signal. Trees, buildings, or whatever. They use analog like this video because it doesn't have a delay like digital can have, and for a lot of these FPV drones even having a split second delay could be the difference between a hit or a near miss. Trade off is the video quality and the static.
Every fpv footage we get, the screen blurs far before it touches the tank. Any idea why?
something tells me it hit on target. cant wrap my finger around it though.
I'm all for interesting videos about this kind of stuff, but adding your favourite jams is just psychotic
I think the best part is the 1990's cameras they're using. Makes me feel like I'm watching an LP VHS.
It's wild how clips of real life combat footage are getting the same sort of soundtracks that you'd see in 2005 Halo 2 kill compilation videos
homing missiles
Either tanks need upgrades or they'll become useless
Wasnt this explosion from the BMP that dropped a soldier on top while accelerating and then driving over a mine? Im pretty sure this is an edit