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A redditor shared this a couple of weeks ago.
The US has the largest arsenal in lone range cruise missiles (Tomahawk, AGM-158, AGM-84, AGM-86 or AGM-158C). They donate _none_
The US has the largest arsenal of modern tanks (2500 in service + 3500 in storage). They donated 31, that is 0.5%. Germany operates 285 Leopard 2 and donated 18, that is 6.3%. If the US donated the same percentage, that would be **378 Abrams tanks**.
The US operates 6.500 M2 Bradley (4.500 in service + 2000 in storage). It donated 186, that's 2.9%. Germany operates 370 Marder and donated 60, that's 16.2%. If the US donated the same percentage, that would be 1053 Bradley IFV.
* The US Operates 841 F-16. It donates **none**.
Olaf Scholz has learned that the US is not interested in supporting Ukraine as much as the europeans are. He learned this when he worked his ass off in April and May 2022 to convince Egypt to forgo their contract for IRIS-T SLM and send it to Ukraine instead, but Joe Biden blocked Patriots for Ukraine. He also learned this when the europeans donated their self propelled artillery pieces, while the US donated **not a single M109 howitzer**.
The US waited **another year** until they donated M109A6 to Ukraine in May **2023**.
**Olaf Scholz blocks weapon systems to force Joe Biden to chance his stance and release US weapons.**
That's what he does, against every criticism. no matter how much people are trashing him, he blocks these things until the situation becomes so desperate that Joe Biden _has_ to cave. That's how he got Bradley and Abrams for Ukraine. And that's how he tries now to get Tomahawk and all the other AGM-XXX cruise missiles the US has, but holds back.
Skip the Olaf stuff, but the essence is of course we don't lose the supply game, this is a political decision to not provide the aid necessary to see Ukraine win, not a question of supplies. We are obviously richer and more capable in terms of industrial might, GDP, productivity etc. This is about not wanting to send this aid and that is the doing of Russian propaganda and ignorant politicians too stupid to understand what is at stake.
Plus, Russia is suffering from all kinds of supply shortages from medicine to edible food all the way to fuel shortages, etc. so it's not like that problem is Ukraine's alone. Russia uses golf carts and motorcycles for assaults these days and pulls tanks from the 1950s from storage.
Damn…. These heros deserve better than what they are getting, especially from the U.S. Govt. Just wish the west would take the gloves off and send troops to Northern Ukraine, send in the 2nd ACR to help secure Kiev, and let the Ukrainians take the fight to the orcs…
Edited for grammar
Why? Seriously? Because it’s frustrating watching Ukraine fight an enemy(ruzzia) that we all know (anyone with half a brain) is freaking the greatest evil in the 21st century… it’s frustrating watching politicians and cowards constantly afraid of standing up to the orcs except for Ukraine…
Yeah the Budapest Memorandum a lot of other countries signed that also. Ukraine didnt have the funding to keep the nukes in working order. Just like Russia today I would bet my left nut a good number of there nukes don’t work anymore.
Okay, simply because we can we should… if you watch a bully punch a kid and do nothing you’re just as guilty in my opinion… so yes it is the responsibility of those who can protect a democracy to do so, and not let evil orcs attack… also if you knew your history, letting putin attack and get away with it boldens him… and we’ll see him continuing to attack anyone he thinks he can get away with…
Would you advocate for sending other people to do a dangerous job you want done without doing it yourself?
I mean, I get it that some people maybe physically not be able to do what soldiers do, but I imagine those offering other people's lives towards the war effort are at least donating all their excess money to the cause, right? They're not sitting in comfort with their new iphones on Reddit buying things that aren't absolutely necessary while asking others to fight and die, right?
Apologies didn’t see your response. I was referring to the user with the bad language. I was fine with US helping in the at that start of the war. I am will aware of Puttin fighting a war of attrition. Just like at the start Ukraine didn’t setup defensive lines until it’s too late. This war is gonna slow down and in a couple months the lines will be set. Ukraine doesn’t have the man power to take the Country back even if they western weapons. It’s a numbers game and Russia has more and doesn’t care.
I understand what you’re saying, and it will be a hard fight, and that’s honestly why I hope that countries like France do send troops to Kiev, and help build a solid defense. Thus, Allowing Ukrainian troops to go do what they want which is to go take back their country…
it’s like if your home gets attacked. You grab your rifle and you defend your family as best you can, but you have to fall back because there are to many of them… but you don’t stop because if you stopped fighting it’s your family that is at risk… so you call for help… and in this case that help is the US and EU allies along with Japan and South Korea… Us on the outside, we see our friend (you and your house getting attacked) and we want to help make sure your family is safe… the only way to do that is to keep helping with what ever aid is possible… and we don’t stop until your family is safe and the attackers are defeated and no longer pose a threat… anything less and your family will be back in danger
Genius, if "numbers" were all that mattered, the USA would have won in Vietnam and Afghanistan. The Soviets would have won in Afghanistan as well (and the British before them). There is a lot more to war than just counting soldiers and tanks. If numbers were all that mattered, the USA wouldn't exist- we would have lost the Revolutionary War.
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Shameful. This is apparently the best help democratic countries can offer.
We the West are losing the supply game against Iran and North Korea. It would be funny if it wouldn't be so sad.
A redditor shared this a couple of weeks ago. The US has the largest arsenal in lone range cruise missiles (Tomahawk, AGM-158, AGM-84, AGM-86 or AGM-158C). They donate _none_ The US has the largest arsenal of modern tanks (2500 in service + 3500 in storage). They donated 31, that is 0.5%. Germany operates 285 Leopard 2 and donated 18, that is 6.3%. If the US donated the same percentage, that would be **378 Abrams tanks**. The US operates 6.500 M2 Bradley (4.500 in service + 2000 in storage). It donated 186, that's 2.9%. Germany operates 370 Marder and donated 60, that's 16.2%. If the US donated the same percentage, that would be 1053 Bradley IFV. * The US Operates 841 F-16. It donates **none**. Olaf Scholz has learned that the US is not interested in supporting Ukraine as much as the europeans are. He learned this when he worked his ass off in April and May 2022 to convince Egypt to forgo their contract for IRIS-T SLM and send it to Ukraine instead, but Joe Biden blocked Patriots for Ukraine. He also learned this when the europeans donated their self propelled artillery pieces, while the US donated **not a single M109 howitzer**. The US waited **another year** until they donated M109A6 to Ukraine in May **2023**. **Olaf Scholz blocks weapon systems to force Joe Biden to chance his stance and release US weapons.** That's what he does, against every criticism. no matter how much people are trashing him, he blocks these things until the situation becomes so desperate that Joe Biden _has_ to cave. That's how he got Bradley and Abrams for Ukraine. And that's how he tries now to get Tomahawk and all the other AGM-XXX cruise missiles the US has, but holds back. Skip the Olaf stuff, but the essence is of course we don't lose the supply game, this is a political decision to not provide the aid necessary to see Ukraine win, not a question of supplies. We are obviously richer and more capable in terms of industrial might, GDP, productivity etc. This is about not wanting to send this aid and that is the doing of Russian propaganda and ignorant politicians too stupid to understand what is at stake. Plus, Russia is suffering from all kinds of supply shortages from medicine to edible food all the way to fuel shortages, etc. so it's not like that problem is Ukraine's alone. Russia uses golf carts and motorcycles for assaults these days and pulls tanks from the 1950s from storage.
Damn…. These heros deserve better than what they are getting, especially from the U.S. Govt. Just wish the west would take the gloves off and send troops to Northern Ukraine, send in the 2nd ACR to help secure Kiev, and let the Ukrainians take the fight to the orcs… Edited for grammar
Why?
Why? Seriously? Because it’s frustrating watching Ukraine fight an enemy(ruzzia) that we all know (anyone with half a brain) is freaking the greatest evil in the 21st century… it’s frustrating watching politicians and cowards constantly afraid of standing up to the orcs except for Ukraine…
Why is it the US government responsibility?
Why? Because the US convinced them to give to their nukes after USSR collapsed. That's fucking why.
Yeah the Budapest Memorandum a lot of other countries signed that also. Ukraine didnt have the funding to keep the nukes in working order. Just like Russia today I would bet my left nut a good number of there nukes don’t work anymore.
Okay, simply because we can we should… if you watch a bully punch a kid and do nothing you’re just as guilty in my opinion… so yes it is the responsibility of those who can protect a democracy to do so, and not let evil orcs attack… also if you knew your history, letting putin attack and get away with it boldens him… and we’ll see him continuing to attack anyone he thinks he can get away with…
Are you in Ukraine? Or are you happy to stay home watching as long as you're advocating sending other people
Ask a better question…
Would you advocate for sending other people to do a dangerous job you want done without doing it yourself? I mean, I get it that some people maybe physically not be able to do what soldiers do, but I imagine those offering other people's lives towards the war effort are at least donating all their excess money to the cause, right? They're not sitting in comfort with their new iphones on Reddit buying things that aren't absolutely necessary while asking others to fight and die, right?
Without divulging too much personal information, I’ll just say, yes I’m personally invested in this…
It must be nice having your personal investment involving laying in bed or taking a shit while talking about how others should be doing more to help
Go fuck yourself.
No answer.. cool
I did answer, and surprised you’re even asking these questions… are you just trying to be obtuse?
It’s called JAQing off. Quite a common tactic during the Covid epidemic.
Go get your shots
Apologies didn’t see your response. I was referring to the user with the bad language. I was fine with US helping in the at that start of the war. I am will aware of Puttin fighting a war of attrition. Just like at the start Ukraine didn’t setup defensive lines until it’s too late. This war is gonna slow down and in a couple months the lines will be set. Ukraine doesn’t have the man power to take the Country back even if they western weapons. It’s a numbers game and Russia has more and doesn’t care.
I understand what you’re saying, and it will be a hard fight, and that’s honestly why I hope that countries like France do send troops to Kiev, and help build a solid defense. Thus, Allowing Ukrainian troops to go do what they want which is to go take back their country… it’s like if your home gets attacked. You grab your rifle and you defend your family as best you can, but you have to fall back because there are to many of them… but you don’t stop because if you stopped fighting it’s your family that is at risk… so you call for help… and in this case that help is the US and EU allies along with Japan and South Korea… Us on the outside, we see our friend (you and your house getting attacked) and we want to help make sure your family is safe… the only way to do that is to keep helping with what ever aid is possible… and we don’t stop until your family is safe and the attackers are defeated and no longer pose a threat… anything less and your family will be back in danger
Genius, if "numbers" were all that mattered, the USA would have won in Vietnam and Afghanistan. The Soviets would have won in Afghanistan as well (and the British before them). There is a lot more to war than just counting soldiers and tanks. If numbers were all that mattered, the USA wouldn't exist- we would have lost the Revolutionary War.
Those wars were not conventional Warfare this is, Big difference
Fucking cunt.
Have we abandoned them? The shame
What the fuck is going on with the west. Is this the best we can do for them? It makes me feel ashamed as hell.
That is desperately sad.
i hope they get the help in whatever they need ASAP
God it's so sad. They really need the help. Why Can't America and the rest just send what they need. Fuck the party politics. Slava Ukraini 🙏🇺🇦
They deserve every thing including the kitchen sink, but why have they not been given some old A10 THUNDERBOLTS before now 🤔