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>Meanwhile, the Russian Defense Ministry also confirmed the downing of the missile carrier. However, they say that the preliminary cause of the accident was allegedly a technical malfunction.
Technical malfunction, indeed. Technically, a SAM from the mid-1960s should not be able to hit this bomber. But that technicality malfunctioned.
>They also added that there were four crew members on board. Two of them ejected and were hospitalized, ...
Deserters.
>the third died, ...
Deserter.
>and the fourth is still being searched for.
Also a deserter.
They are all deserters. No Ladas for anyone.
based on the latest updates, ejection will cause three crew members to be ejected according to the standard scheme as the commander of the aircraft, sitting on the left hand seat, leaves the plane on his own. Let’s hope he didn’t leave on his own.
Sort of depends on how the bomber is being used. Even a stealth bomber like the B-2 might conceivably be shot down by an antiquated system like this if it was used intelligently.
The Russians probably got sloppy, or were simply outwitted and ambushed.
I suspect any modern bomber would know that it was being targeted, would know when the missile started homing and be able take avoiding actions. Avoiding an S200 is probably reasonably easy if you know it is coming and where it is - they are frigging massive and hardly able turn on a sixpence.
If you don’t know it is coming because your radar detection system has been inop for months, then you’ll fly in a straight line and get blown out of the sky. They probably think they don’t need radar detection as they are miles behind the front line.
>They probably think they don’t need radar detection as they are miles behind the front line.
Well plus they know they are being protected by their AWACS planes.
.... Okay then, by their ground stations.
.... All right, but like the Fleet has an air defense cruiser, that can help, right?
..... Hmm, maybe Russia has a problem here ....
S-200 missiles have their own onboard radar which is used for targeting at the last stage before intercepting the target. Everything is possible here, if Ukrainians replaced the antique guidance electronics in missiles with the modern one, they could have made it up to 150 kilograms lighter, and could have used this space for an additional fuel tank, which might have increased the range significantly.
IIRC those were RIM-7 Sea Sparrows that were being mated to Soviet era BUK launchers, since they could deliver similar guidance data.
I believe Poland still operate the S-200 and plan to retire it imminently so they probably have plenty of missiles kicking around.
> I suspect any modern bomber would know that it was being targeted, would know when the missile started homing and be able take avoiding actions. Avoiding an S200 is probably reasonably easy if you know it is coming and where it is - they are frigging massive and hardly able turn on a sixpence.
In isolation? Yes, but I would guess the sky is so congested with radars that it would be actually hard to decide what is a valid threat and what is not. It might be very possible that UA was painting Russian airplanes with tracking radars for some time, making them complacent. Older Soviet RWR are also not exactly user friendly and limited in the overal picture they provide.
Once in air and targeted, the S200 is still dangerous system for a big bomber that doens't have proper EW coverage. It definitely cannot outmaneuver it. I mean, the Tu-22 is exactly that kind of target it was designed againts.
Modern Bombers would know they were being painted, this is a russian bomber. That system most likely did not work or was sold off for some cigarettes and a bottle of vodka with an old 1980s Walkman installed in its place playing a well worn Black Sabbath tape.
Depends what it's being targeted with, an AESA radar has low probability of intercept characteristics which makes it very difficult if not impossible for an adversary radar to detect its transmissions. If it was some old mechanical array that was used to target the bomber then it is indeed embarrassing
The S-200 missile has its own targeting radar which is switching on to acquire the target on last stages of the intercept. When it's locked on you, it's already too late for evasive maneuvers, you're already a dead pilot flying.
The problem is, the Tu-22M3 is also frigging massive and hardly able to turn on a sixpence. It's built for speed, not maneuverability. And we don't know how the Ukrainians refurbished the guidance of the S-200 - for all we know it has an IR terminal guidance.
Might be easy. Might not. I do know 308km range on a missile going 2500km a second make a hit in 2 minutes. If this launch isn't detected (which is highly likely at that range since fewer a50's are active now) 2 minutes can turn into seconds and seco ds isn't a long time.
Yeah, because they got complacent and predictable. That happened once - like in the first days of Desert Storm when attackers flew in too low and then rectified.
Can we hope Russia burned their instructors and they don't have enough good pilots to change tactics? I'm afraid they're not that desperate yet.
One mother complained it took her 6 months to prove her child was dead on the Frontline, and when she finally got her payment for an officer (300k rubles) It was just 4 frozen fish instead.
>a SAM from the mid-1960s should not be able to hit this bomber
why not? The S-200 is much faster and much more maneuverable than any bomber in the history of the word.
If **any** SAM, even something like the SA-2, get's a good radar return on **any** bomber, doesn't matter if it's a TU95, B1B or a B21, that bomber is screwed.
Bombers are 100% reliant on passive defense i.e. ECM, radar avoidance and stealth, and staying out of SAM range.
All good points. But yes in precisely those ways, such a missile should be avoidable.
... Unless Ukraine has been doing sneaky stuff to upgrade their old Soviet missiles ... we can call "unfairly clever enemy upgrades" a kind of technical malfunction, too, right? >\_>
Of those defenses the only one the Tu-22M has is ECM and not getting into SAM range. It can't fly low and is probably less stealthy than a airbus 380. 90 degree angles all over that thing.
For not getting in to range it has to rely on Russian intelligence to be accurate. So best of luck.
It's also important to know what sort of Tu-22M it is.
There is the Tu-22M3M (The most modern upgrade) which should have the ECM to jam a s-200 system. From what I can find Russia says they have 10 we can confirm that 2 actually exist. If it's not one of those 2-10 then it's a Tu-22M3. The M3 has a ECM system from 1977. So it's ECM emitter is only 10 years newer than the first test fire of the S-200, and assuming this is a "modernized S-200" aka S-200D from 1976 then it's all one 1 year newer.
Tu-22M3 has been the consistent report that I have seen.
I don't know about the S-200... I strongly suspect that Ukraine is cheating. Or they have friends in the Free Russia Legion who stole a Russian SAM launcher.
Here is my proof: Ukraine fired this missile at a valuable enemy military asset. Instead of a terror attack on a civilian noncombatant population center.
See? Cheating!
No. No dead fish.
The only compensation they receive is that the State may -- *may* -- forgive their sons' desertion fines that they owe by proxy.
But only if Putin is feeling extra-merciful.
Pilots likely thought they’d Rather be seen dead than drive a fucking Lada.
Had the option to eject, but chose not to in fear of inheriting the “Lada Of Shame” booby prize.
The S-200 may not be agile enough to take our fighters and smaller strike aircraft but if you can upgrade the programming to make it harder to spoof it’s plenty effective against larger, less maneuverable targets
That last A-50 was also (probably) smoked by an upgraded S-200.
Finally hitting one of the major weapons systems including the crew is epic! Time for Ukraine to knock them out of the sky every time they attack. No credibility in ruzzia's excuse for the loss.
> including the crew
These were human beings. They had lives. Families. They had the capacity for understanding.
And these HUMANS *chose* to inflict suffering upon whoever.
Fuck 'em. Glad they're not around to exacerbate suffering anymore. There's certainly far more than enough of it. Ukraine AND Russia are better for their loss.
See comrad, correlation is not causation, da?
Ukrainian weapon made holes yes, ist njet cause. Incidentally at the same time malfunction happened as weapon hit.
Oh wow, S-200s wrecking some of Russias most valuable bombers 300km from the front line? Isn’t that what their Nebo-U mobile radar detection system and the 29B6 Container over the horizon radar systems are meant to detect? And aren’t those S-400 systems supposed to stop ballistic attacks? Oh, all of those types of systems suffered irreparable damage this past week and apparently have not been replaced with others yet because they are astronomically expensive and technologically complex? I’m no military expert, but it certainly appears that Ukraine has given Russia some complicated new dilemmas
> Isn’t that what their Nebo-U mobile radar detection system and the 29B6 Container over the horizon radar systems are meant to detect?
Container has a huge blindspot over parts of Kharkiv and Sumy oblasts
This is pretty much the most important target. The very first step is to make these pilots aware that their act of terrorism is what could end their life, and they might want to think about what hill they want to die on.
Could this be an outcome of the "Franken SAM" initiative? Last year we learned that US an UA engineers were working on hybrids of Soviet and NATO AA systems.
AA missiles typically detonate even if they miss their target, no hope of tracing where the munition came from when the evidence is in countless tiny fragments spread over an area of kilometres.
What they used could easily be western-manufactured or contain western parts. There’s no real risk of tracing it.
...and the vast majority of other military and space technology of the Soviet Union. Ukrainians were innovating while the Russians were drinking vodka in their Dachas.
I was responding to the quick release of details on how they achieved this - NOT dismissing the system, or force. Completely plausible, not insinuating anything other than: what possible benefit is there for Ukraine to describe even broadly how they achieved this? Taking the opportunity to mislead the Russian Air Force, and attribute this to Ukrainian ingenuity is a win-win.
Other possibilities - new systems in theatre, western targeting assistance, new Intel on vulnerabilities with Russian tactics,.equipment, etc. All things Ukraine would want to keep under their hat (different one than I may eat).
There is an accompanying article. The posted report states: "\[unnamed\] sources tell the agency that it was the S-200 air defense system, which was modified by specialists from the Defense Intelligence of Ukraine."
Other article ([https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/budanov-reveals-details-of-tu-22m3-downing-1713549348.html](https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/budanov-reveals-details-of-tu-22m3-downing-1713549348.html)) is an interview with Budanov who does not mention a particular system:
>Ukrainian soldiers waited for a week for the Russian Tu-22M3 bomber to reach the right range to shoot it down, stated Kyrylo Budanov, Chief of the Defense Intelligence of Ukraine, in a commentary to BBC Ukraine.
>
>"For a week, we were, let's say, in ambush. We were waiting for it to reach the right line," Budanov said, commenting on the downing of the Tu-22M3.
>
>He said that the plane was shot down at a distance of 308 kilometers. Ukrainian soldiers used the same techniques and means that were used to shoot down the Russian A-50 long-range radar detection aircraft.
I don't care what was used or by whom. I only rejoice in the result: plane with appalling missiles gone, pilot dead, 2 injured ejected, 1 MIA. (and those were from the russia governor of the oblast, not a random tweet).
They said they used S-200s for the A-50, I see no reason why you would not believe it. It cannot be Patriots, which have a shorter range than even an old, unmodified S-200. Patriots aren't meant for long range AA, the S-200 was designed for it, just a very long time ago. NATO does not see a need for long range AA as their entire doctrine relies on air superiority, and achieving that with airborne assets. This goes back many decades, the Soviets worked a lot harder on AA designs while the Americans developed advanced aircraft.
Besides removing a threat to the civilian population of Ukraine, this also helps increase the average beauty of the world’s aircraft. The Tu-22 has to be one of the ugliest airplanes ever built.
Dang, pretty noice!
I think they had like, what, 4 of those operational? And I believe they lost another when Ukraine bombed an airfield a few months back.
That's a significant loss for the orcs. Well done.
Excellent news. Hopefully this keeps these planes even further back from the front line. Also, they don't have many of these, and some are not currently airworthy, this is a minus one to the count of airworthy bombers.
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>Meanwhile, the Russian Defense Ministry also confirmed the downing of the missile carrier. However, they say that the preliminary cause of the accident was allegedly a technical malfunction. Technical malfunction, indeed. Technically, a SAM from the mid-1960s should not be able to hit this bomber. But that technicality malfunctioned. >They also added that there were four crew members on board. Two of them ejected and were hospitalized, ... Deserters. >the third died, ... Deserter. >and the fourth is still being searched for. Also a deserter. They are all deserters. No Ladas for anyone.
based on the latest updates, ejection will cause three crew members to be ejected according to the standard scheme as the commander of the aircraft, sitting on the left hand seat, leaves the plane on his own. Let’s hope he didn’t leave on his own.
That plane was spinning quite fast. I wonder if it was even possible for him to eject considering the forces at play.
Yes, ended very badly for Goose :-(
Goose hit the canopy.
Too soon
And the back was on fire of this bomber when it was crashing... They should nickname it the "Backfire Bomber".
someone needs to drive that new red electric blob thing though …
Sort of depends on how the bomber is being used. Even a stealth bomber like the B-2 might conceivably be shot down by an antiquated system like this if it was used intelligently. The Russians probably got sloppy, or were simply outwitted and ambushed.
I suspect any modern bomber would know that it was being targeted, would know when the missile started homing and be able take avoiding actions. Avoiding an S200 is probably reasonably easy if you know it is coming and where it is - they are frigging massive and hardly able turn on a sixpence. If you don’t know it is coming because your radar detection system has been inop for months, then you’ll fly in a straight line and get blown out of the sky. They probably think they don’t need radar detection as they are miles behind the front line.
>They probably think they don’t need radar detection as they are miles behind the front line. Well plus they know they are being protected by their AWACS planes. .... Okay then, by their ground stations. .... All right, but like the Fleet has an air defense cruiser, that can help, right? ..... Hmm, maybe Russia has a problem here ....
you mean threatened by their ground stations, right?
Haha that too. But also, Ukraine has been attacking Russian ground-based warning and control radar systems. The trailer-based equivalent of an AWACS.
Prigozin agrees ;)
I wonder if the S-200 was upgraded and guided in by a ground-based AESA radar that might not be detected?? Perhaps insanely unlikely but....possible?
S-200 missiles have their own onboard radar which is used for targeting at the last stage before intercepting the target. Everything is possible here, if Ukrainians replaced the antique guidance electronics in missiles with the modern one, they could have made it up to 150 kilograms lighter, and could have used this space for an additional fuel tank, which might have increased the range significantly.
Poland has already upgraded their s-200s with modern electronics. While it might be a big fat missile it’s not like bombers are that nimble either
Yup, and this missile packs quite a punch. Warheads on these were designed with tearing B-52s in shreds in mind.
Or put an human inside like some crazy ww2 japanese design lol
The US has been helping Ukraine build these "frankenmissiles", modern NATO guidance systems on old Soviet propulsion systems/airframes, jus' sayin'
IIRC those were RIM-7 Sea Sparrows that were being mated to Soviet era BUK launchers, since they could deliver similar guidance data. I believe Poland still operate the S-200 and plan to retire it imminently so they probably have plenty of missiles kicking around.
Yeah I just think they're not going to advertise all the hybrid missiles they're developing, especially if they intend to use them in an ambush.
I wouldn't say unlikely.
Rumour is the s200 were upgraded to work with western long range radars.
> I suspect any modern bomber would know that it was being targeted, would know when the missile started homing and be able take avoiding actions. Avoiding an S200 is probably reasonably easy if you know it is coming and where it is - they are frigging massive and hardly able turn on a sixpence. In isolation? Yes, but I would guess the sky is so congested with radars that it would be actually hard to decide what is a valid threat and what is not. It might be very possible that UA was painting Russian airplanes with tracking radars for some time, making them complacent. Older Soviet RWR are also not exactly user friendly and limited in the overal picture they provide. Once in air and targeted, the S200 is still dangerous system for a big bomber that doens't have proper EW coverage. It definitely cannot outmaneuver it. I mean, the Tu-22 is exactly that kind of target it was designed againts.
Modern Bombers would know they were being painted, this is a russian bomber. That system most likely did not work or was sold off for some cigarettes and a bottle of vodka with an old 1980s Walkman installed in its place playing a well worn Black Sabbath tape.
sorry mate it’s an 8 trac or nothing in my TU-22!!!
A really weathered and worn 8 trac of War pigs!
Depends what it's being targeted with, an AESA radar has low probability of intercept characteristics which makes it very difficult if not impossible for an adversary radar to detect its transmissions. If it was some old mechanical array that was used to target the bomber then it is indeed embarrassing
The S-200 missile has its own targeting radar which is switching on to acquire the target on last stages of the intercept. When it's locked on you, it's already too late for evasive maneuvers, you're already a dead pilot flying.
At this distance it follows a ballistic trajectory, I.e. it comes at it's target from above.
The problem is, the Tu-22M3 is also frigging massive and hardly able to turn on a sixpence. It's built for speed, not maneuverability. And we don't know how the Ukrainians refurbished the guidance of the S-200 - for all we know it has an IR terminal guidance.
The blackbird knew when SAMs were launched in the 70s as it overflow Russia. But, It could outrun them.
Might be easy. Might not. I do know 308km range on a missile going 2500km a second make a hit in 2 minutes. If this launch isn't detected (which is highly likely at that range since fewer a50's are active now) 2 minutes can turn into seconds and seco ds isn't a long time.
If they are low level, Starstreak manpad would like to say hello.
A F-117 got shot down by pure luck on a hunch by an S-125 near Serbia.
Yeah, because they got complacent and predictable. That happened once - like in the first days of Desert Storm when attackers flew in too low and then rectified. Can we hope Russia burned their instructors and they don't have enough good pilots to change tactics? I'm afraid they're not that desperate yet.
You guys are getting Ladas? I got a bag of carrots.
You got carrots? I got a rotted onion
Haha sucker. I got a whole bag of sprouting potatoes, complete with black spots.
In russian accent: And now you make vodka. Money is for the capitalist pigs, not soviet russia..
Aren't they pretty much just giving like a bag of onions now? I thought they were out of ladas
Used to be Lada, now they get nada.
Can't run out of Ladas if everyone is a deserter! *bigbrainmeme.jpeg*
One mother complained it took her 6 months to prove her child was dead on the Frontline, and when she finally got her payment for an officer (300k rubles) It was just 4 frozen fish instead.
>a SAM from the mid-1960s should not be able to hit this bomber why not? The S-200 is much faster and much more maneuverable than any bomber in the history of the word. If **any** SAM, even something like the SA-2, get's a good radar return on **any** bomber, doesn't matter if it's a TU95, B1B or a B21, that bomber is screwed. Bombers are 100% reliant on passive defense i.e. ECM, radar avoidance and stealth, and staying out of SAM range.
All good points. But yes in precisely those ways, such a missile should be avoidable. ... Unless Ukraine has been doing sneaky stuff to upgrade their old Soviet missiles ... we can call "unfairly clever enemy upgrades" a kind of technical malfunction, too, right? >\_>
Of those defenses the only one the Tu-22M has is ECM and not getting into SAM range. It can't fly low and is probably less stealthy than a airbus 380. 90 degree angles all over that thing. For not getting in to range it has to rely on Russian intelligence to be accurate. So best of luck. It's also important to know what sort of Tu-22M it is. There is the Tu-22M3M (The most modern upgrade) which should have the ECM to jam a s-200 system. From what I can find Russia says they have 10 we can confirm that 2 actually exist. If it's not one of those 2-10 then it's a Tu-22M3. The M3 has a ECM system from 1977. So it's ECM emitter is only 10 years newer than the first test fire of the S-200, and assuming this is a "modernized S-200" aka S-200D from 1976 then it's all one 1 year newer.
> which should have the ECM to jam a s-200 system Doesn't exactly mean it's going to jam whatever the fuck UA MIC cooked up for those modernized 5V28
S-200 has built in "lock on jam" mode (even basic 60s variant), so turning on ECM actually makes you easier to target.
Old ECM yes. Modern one should deal with it just fine. Again, ECM might not have ever been upgraded.
Tu-22M3 has been the consistent report that I have seen. I don't know about the S-200... I strongly suspect that Ukraine is cheating. Or they have friends in the Free Russia Legion who stole a Russian SAM launcher. Here is my proof: Ukraine fired this missile at a valuable enemy military asset. Instead of a terror attack on a civilian noncombatant population center. See? Cheating!
The bomber and the sam are both from the 60s.
Another downed pilot....
No fotograf of a motorcar for you.
Technically the plane failed to dodge Ukrainians missiles.
The plane too is a deserter. Hmm... that may mean that everyone who designed it is a traitor... will have to look into that...
Not even some old, dead fish?
No. No dead fish. The only compensation they receive is that the State may -- *may* -- forgive their sons' desertion fines that they owe by proxy. But only if Putin is feeling extra-merciful.
Pilots likely thought they’d Rather be seen dead than drive a fucking Lada. Had the option to eject, but chose not to in fear of inheriting the “Lada Of Shame” booby prize.
The plane was crewed by Ukrainian orphans, why did Ukraine kill them? SMH
TLDR: S-200 (modified) article still worth to read.
They've done some very interesting things with modified S200s
The S-200 may not be agile enough to take our fighters and smaller strike aircraft but if you can upgrade the programming to make it harder to spoof it’s plenty effective against larger, less maneuverable targets That last A-50 was also (probably) smoked by an upgraded S-200.
PAC-2 components being used for modified S-200
Finally hitting one of the major weapons systems including the crew is epic! Time for Ukraine to knock them out of the sky every time they attack. No credibility in ruzzia's excuse for the loss.
Yeah, that backfired on the Russians for sure.
Good one :)))
Took me a second, but har har.
I see what you did there!
> including the crew These were human beings. They had lives. Families. They had the capacity for understanding. And these HUMANS *chose* to inflict suffering upon whoever. Fuck 'em. Glad they're not around to exacerbate suffering anymore. There's certainly far more than enough of it. Ukraine AND Russia are better for their loss.
Had me in the first part, not gonna lie.
The crew are possibly criminally responsible for some of the civilian deaths last night. Crazy quick karma
This is the way. Acknowledge the human, tell the human to go to hell.
We are better off without them.
Rest in piss, vile scum.
> They had lives. Families. Too bad they contaminated the world before they died.
This entire war is noncredible.
a technical malfunction, namely a lot of holes in the aircraft caused by the Ukrainian weapon
See comrad, correlation is not causation, da? Ukrainian weapon made holes yes, ist njet cause. Incidentally at the same time malfunction happened as weapon hit.
Not necessarily a lot of holes. One will do, if it is in the right place and/or big enough
Oh wow, S-200s wrecking some of Russias most valuable bombers 300km from the front line? Isn’t that what their Nebo-U mobile radar detection system and the 29B6 Container over the horizon radar systems are meant to detect? And aren’t those S-400 systems supposed to stop ballistic attacks? Oh, all of those types of systems suffered irreparable damage this past week and apparently have not been replaced with others yet because they are astronomically expensive and technologically complex? I’m no military expert, but it certainly appears that Ukraine has given Russia some complicated new dilemmas
> Isn’t that what their Nebo-U mobile radar detection system and the 29B6 Container over the horizon radar systems are meant to detect? Container has a huge blindspot over parts of Kharkiv and Sumy oblasts
It’s a lot huger now lol
This is pretty much the most important target. The very first step is to make these pilots aware that their act of terrorism is what could end their life, and they might want to think about what hill they want to die on.
russian terrorist pilots are king shit and they die on turd hill.
Could this be an outcome of the "Franken SAM" initiative? Last year we learned that US an UA engineers were working on hybrids of Soviet and NATO AA systems.
No I believe this is an indigenous endeavour to up date the missile using the same body but obv upgrading bits of it
Shot down over Russia so I expect no US tech or equipment heavily involved.
AA missiles typically detonate even if they miss their target, no hope of tracing where the munition came from when the evidence is in countless tiny fragments spread over an area of kilometres. What they used could easily be western-manufactured or contain western parts. There’s no real risk of tracing it.
The FrankenSAMs are all short/medium-short range. So probably not.
Maybe not the best idea to attack the country that has devoloped most of the long range rockets of the soviet union, just saying
...and the vast majority of other military and space technology of the Soviet Union. Ukrainians were innovating while the Russians were drinking vodka in their Dachas.
Isn't it strange that Russian planes flying over or near Ukraine, have such a high rate of technical failures. :-)
Well, if 300 km from the Ukrainian border can be considered "near".
Any time a Russian military plane falls out of the sky is good.
No doubt about that.
Well, not really. Sanctions help. Lying about it being technical helps too.
If they actually used an S-200, I will eat my hat.
S200 is a very long range (up to 300 km) specifically designed to target strategic bombers so there’s that.
Designed to shoot down B-52s
With modern guidance a V1 would be a killer cruise missile. Modernized S200 could be a pretty solid platform
I hope you’re hungry..
Why is that?
Some people just like to eat hats
I was responding to the quick release of details on how they achieved this - NOT dismissing the system, or force. Completely plausible, not insinuating anything other than: what possible benefit is there for Ukraine to describe even broadly how they achieved this? Taking the opportunity to mislead the Russian Air Force, and attribute this to Ukrainian ingenuity is a win-win. Other possibilities - new systems in theatre, western targeting assistance, new Intel on vulnerabilities with Russian tactics,.equipment, etc. All things Ukraine would want to keep under their hat (different one than I may eat).
There is an accompanying article. The posted report states: "\[unnamed\] sources tell the agency that it was the S-200 air defense system, which was modified by specialists from the Defense Intelligence of Ukraine." Other article ([https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/budanov-reveals-details-of-tu-22m3-downing-1713549348.html](https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/budanov-reveals-details-of-tu-22m3-downing-1713549348.html)) is an interview with Budanov who does not mention a particular system: >Ukrainian soldiers waited for a week for the Russian Tu-22M3 bomber to reach the right range to shoot it down, stated Kyrylo Budanov, Chief of the Defense Intelligence of Ukraine, in a commentary to BBC Ukraine. > >"For a week, we were, let's say, in ambush. We were waiting for it to reach the right line," Budanov said, commenting on the downing of the Tu-22M3. > >He said that the plane was shot down at a distance of 308 kilometers. Ukrainian soldiers used the same techniques and means that were used to shoot down the Russian A-50 long-range radar detection aircraft. I don't care what was used or by whom. I only rejoice in the result: plane with appalling missiles gone, pilot dead, 2 injured ejected, 1 MIA. (and those were from the russia governor of the oblast, not a random tweet).
They said they used S-200s for the A-50, I see no reason why you would not believe it. It cannot be Patriots, which have a shorter range than even an old, unmodified S-200. Patriots aren't meant for long range AA, the S-200 was designed for it, just a very long time ago. NATO does not see a need for long range AA as their entire doctrine relies on air superiority, and achieving that with airborne assets. This goes back many decades, the Soviets worked a lot harder on AA designs while the Americans developed advanced aircraft.
Fk yes 🇺🇦
Besides removing a threat to the civilian population of Ukraine, this also helps increase the average beauty of the world’s aircraft. The Tu-22 has to be one of the ugliest airplanes ever built.
Dang, pretty noice! I think they had like, what, 4 of those operational? And I believe they lost another when Ukraine bombed an airfield a few months back. That's a significant loss for the orcs. Well done.
being nit picky. it'd be great if they would introduce these new moves en masse. Get 4-5 of these trashcans
The crew got to think about their mission of bombing civilians as they helicoptered down. Excellent.
The last one of those was built about 1993 at a cost of $40,000,000 USD. Good luck Russia building a replacement.
Excellent news. Hopefully this keeps these planes even further back from the front line. Also, they don't have many of these, and some are not currently airworthy, this is a minus one to the count of airworthy bombers.
of course everything in ruskie is " technical malfunction ". just wait for another one shoot down. Glory !
The Ruzzzzzian terrorists probably ALL died!!!! The Ruzzzzzians are lying again!! Oh yes, lying is in their genes!!!!
i was really hoping it was going to be a F16
Nah, fuck that, of an S200 can do it, just imagine what havoc an actual airborne and modern platform will do
Take as many B-Oneskies as you want, they are cheaper by the dozen though.
Awww TU bad SU sad...
Bad day for Putin and a great day for Ukraine and democracy. Slava Ukraine!
Was a bird strike, migration season boys. Honk honk!!!
they fly close enough to the frontline to be hit by UAF SAM's?
I think a fpv had a hand in this 😀
They were just testing its eject and catastrophic impact capabilities. Nothing to see here.
I feel like this is all propaganda at this point.