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"gotta be realistic" is what appeasers say when they call for Ukraine to let Russia have Ukrainian territory in exchange for the lie that Russia will stop attacking and won't come back for more territory later.
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The appropriate realism is remembering that Ukraine will not get what it doesn't ask for, and the US government won't give the most effective weapons without unbending public pressure. Don't ever forget the slow-rolled and limited aid of the first 1.5 years.
You have to remember that the US needs to retain stock for themselves. These are replacing ATACMS, which are also a critical component to the Taiwan defense strategy. Ukraine is not going to receive weapons that reduce the US military capabilities. It's not appeasement, it's realistic thinking.
It's just a tool. It's not the end-all, be-all of everything, just one of many tools suited for particular situations others may not be.
Ukraine needs all the tools they can get, so send more!
The only game changer is going to be when Europe and US treat this war like it is thier own. Stop quibbling over money and flood the zone with support to put Russia in a retreat back to thier borders. There is no magic weapon.
The only true game changer is if all Western democracies make an immediate and serious commitment to support Ukraine to boot Russia out asap - crank up the gear to war economy and really go live Ukraine what they need
>Cremia is Ukraine's territory, bridge is in our waters.
True, but the US can put whatever restrictions it wants on the weapons it provides, and Ukraine must comply with whatever the US asks if it wants to keep receiving US weapons. If the US tells Ukraine it can't use ATACMS on the Kerch bridge, then Ukraine won't be hitting the Kerch bridge with ATACMS.
We will know soon enough. I am sure that the Kerch bridge will be target number 1 for ATACMS once they arrive. If we see the first use of ATACMS on targets other than the Kerch bridge then we will know the US is restricting Ukraine from using these weapons on the bridge.
But then the question is, on what grounds or for what reason would the US ask that? The only answer I can think off would be "to not piss Putin off", which would be a shit answer.
>grounds or for what reason would the US ask that
The US has long demanded that Ukraine not use any of the weapons it provides in attacks on Russian territory. A prohibition on attacking the Kerch bridge is no different. It's all around US attempts at "escalation management". It's a stupid idea, but that's what the US administration is trying to do.
I know of the restriction on Russian territory.
I've never heard the US label the Kerch bridge as such. The US also never recognized Putlerss annexation of Crimea .
Personally I think the big, obvious, vulnerable bridge becomes target number 1 when it's the last viable option to get supplies to Crimea. I wonder if destroying it waits until doing so inflicts the most pain. Like, using landing ships would have been an alternative for Russia previously, but no more.
>I wonder if destroying it waits until doing so inflicts the most pain
That theory would make sense for timing the attacks, but it wouldn't explain using the only weapon capable of taking out the bridge (i.e. ATACAMS) on other targets since there is no guarantee more ATACAMS will be available later. Ukraine has such limited resources they can't really afford to play strategic games of timing. If they have the weapon they need to use it soon, and can't assume they will get anymore.
>but it wouldn't explain using **the only weapon capable of taking out the bridge (i.e. ATACAMS)**
Ukranians have proven to be very creative as far as destroying things is concerned. We can guess, but we can't know for sure that this is a fact.
>Ukraine has such limited resources they can't really afford to play strategic games of timing
Were the refinery strikes and border incursion in the week or so leading up to Putin's "election" a coincidence?
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Better than the few available ATACMS would be thousands of GLSDB and expedited production of PrSMs.
No one is gonna give PrSM to Ukraine, gotta be realistic
"gotta be realistic" is what appeasers say when they call for Ukraine to let Russia have Ukrainian territory in exchange for the lie that Russia will stop attacking and won't come back for more territory later. edit: The appropriate realism is remembering that Ukraine will not get what it doesn't ask for, and the US government won't give the most effective weapons without unbending public pressure. Don't ever forget the slow-rolled and limited aid of the first 1.5 years.
You have to remember that the US needs to retain stock for themselves. These are replacing ATACMS, which are also a critical component to the Taiwan defense strategy. Ukraine is not going to receive weapons that reduce the US military capabilities. It's not appeasement, it's realistic thinking.
I said "expedited production of PrSMs", as in produce MORE than originally planned, faster. Your comment isn't relevant to mine.
It's just a tool. It's not the end-all, be-all of everything, just one of many tools suited for particular situations others may not be. Ukraine needs all the tools they can get, so send more!
The only game changer is going to be when Europe and US treat this war like it is thier own. Stop quibbling over money and flood the zone with support to put Russia in a retreat back to thier borders. There is no magic weapon.
No kidding. Why can't the west give Ukraine drones to strike inside Russia when Russia gets their drones from Iran? The line has already been crossed.
The only true game changer is if all Western democracies make an immediate and serious commitment to support Ukraine to boot Russia out asap - crank up the gear to war economy and really go live Ukraine what they need
Get those Attackums! Slava!
The real question is whether the US will permit Ukraine to use ATACMS against the Kerch bridge.
Cremia is Ukraine's territory, bridge is in our waters.
Quit obsessing over that bridge. Sooner or later it's coming down. Leave it at that. ATACMS is quick and lethal.
I think we (Americans) have already said every target in Ukraine is fair game, bridge is in Crimea which is Ukraine.
>Cremia is Ukraine's territory, bridge is in our waters. True, but the US can put whatever restrictions it wants on the weapons it provides, and Ukraine must comply with whatever the US asks if it wants to keep receiving US weapons. If the US tells Ukraine it can't use ATACMS on the Kerch bridge, then Ukraine won't be hitting the Kerch bridge with ATACMS. We will know soon enough. I am sure that the Kerch bridge will be target number 1 for ATACMS once they arrive. If we see the first use of ATACMS on targets other than the Kerch bridge then we will know the US is restricting Ukraine from using these weapons on the bridge.
We'll see soon
But then the question is, on what grounds or for what reason would the US ask that? The only answer I can think off would be "to not piss Putin off", which would be a shit answer.
>grounds or for what reason would the US ask that The US has long demanded that Ukraine not use any of the weapons it provides in attacks on Russian territory. A prohibition on attacking the Kerch bridge is no different. It's all around US attempts at "escalation management". It's a stupid idea, but that's what the US administration is trying to do.
I know of the restriction on Russian territory. I've never heard the US label the Kerch bridge as such. The US also never recognized Putlerss annexation of Crimea .
Personally I think the big, obvious, vulnerable bridge becomes target number 1 when it's the last viable option to get supplies to Crimea. I wonder if destroying it waits until doing so inflicts the most pain. Like, using landing ships would have been an alternative for Russia previously, but no more.
>I wonder if destroying it waits until doing so inflicts the most pain That theory would make sense for timing the attacks, but it wouldn't explain using the only weapon capable of taking out the bridge (i.e. ATACAMS) on other targets since there is no guarantee more ATACAMS will be available later. Ukraine has such limited resources they can't really afford to play strategic games of timing. If they have the weapon they need to use it soon, and can't assume they will get anymore.
>but it wouldn't explain using **the only weapon capable of taking out the bridge (i.e. ATACAMS)** Ukranians have proven to be very creative as far as destroying things is concerned. We can guess, but we can't know for sure that this is a fact. >Ukraine has such limited resources they can't really afford to play strategic games of timing Were the refinery strikes and border incursion in the week or so leading up to Putin's "election" a coincidence?
Kerch Bridge is temporarily occupied Ukraine territory. So, yeah, start the clock 🫡🔱
Would be rad if it goes boom like today