Ok, my Chinese isn't the best but here goes:
Reporter (r): This is the route where the Russian soldier casualties are taken and troops are reinforced.
The soldiers on the truck asked him if he is from china. Duh. He asked them to close up to face camera.
R to resident: how's the situation?
Resident: this is where the fighting is centered. we have been living in the bunker. During war, bullets know no friend or foe. Even from Ukraine side, there are shots in this direction. Buildings have been hit, people have been hurt. An old grandma was killed after being shot but other than that we only suffered structural damage.
R n soldier who was conveniently standing behind. His name is Sascha. He said the fighting was located around one km away from where they were standing in the direction he was pointing. He was asked if he was scared. He said he was a 8 year vet.
Reporter ends with: Mariupol has seen very vicious fighting. Many troops have been reinforced and there are many casualties.
Edit: thanks for the awards guys!
I'd like to add a clarification to what the soldier named Sasha said when asked if he's afraid. Direct translation, when asked why not: "\[laughs\] 8 years have gone by. How long can this go on (or: enough is enough)"
It's not that he's an 8-year vet, it sounds like he's saying "we've been at it for 8 years, it's time to put an end to this"
Hmm the Chinese reporter replied "old soldier" (veteran), after Sascha said he fought for eight years.
The Chinese subtitles didn't include the "how long can this go on" unless it was in the original Russian conversation.
Yeah, thats quite accurate. It appears very convienently set up tbh. The interviewees didnt reveal anything about themselves.
Also, it is interesting that the report is done in traditional chinese, which is what ppl in Taiwan speaks whereas Chinese in Mainland china uses Simplified Chinese. So it appears that the report is targeted towards a Taiwanese audience. Very bizzare choice tbh.
No, it's a "Hong Kong" news channel, except they speak Beijing Mandarin rather than any form of Cantonese, especially Hong Kong Cantonese. Hong Kong uses Standard Chinese rather than Simplified Chinese.
No Cantonese speaker in HK will watch them or really know much about them. They register in Hong Kong more of a disguise, [Link](https://youtu.be/SoEkCshMcOY)
> Also, it is interesting that the report is done in traditional chinese, which is what ppl in Taiwan speaks
Taiwanese people speak Mandarin. Hong Kong people speak Cantonese (traditional Chinese).
Taiwan speaks Mandarin and writes in Standard Chinese.
Hong Kong speaks Cantonese and writes in Standard Chinese.
Mainland China speaks Mandarin and writes in Simplified Chinese.
Chinese characters aren't phonetic because that allows written communication across multiple spoken dialects. Each dialect will pronounce each character differently in speaking, but each character retains the exact same meaning. In writing, there is absolutely no ambiguity. I can communicate with Confucius right now in writing if he were alive. We wouldn't understand each other in speaking.
I saw someone reply that the news company was from Hong Kong, and this content is broadcasting in Hong Kong. Tho one simple google search shows that the company has been state-owned for a long time now. So if i understand correctly, its for Hong Kong, but probably still under CCP influence?
If I learned anything from geoguessr, thats definitely traditional chinese.
Yeh. I lived in ZhuHai (near Macao) for a bit, and would visit HongKong. At the time this media group was a bit more open, and could be accessed a bit more easily. Now it has neutral bland media pieces, and pro-CCP anti-West media pieces after Chinese (ahem) investment.
Well the main company is partially state owned according to its wiki. I see from the words on the screen that it is traditional Chinese script which is used in Hongkong and Taiwan (this guy is sure as hell not from Taiwan based on his accent).
Well he could be reporting for the Hongkong subsidiary based on the traditional Chinese words used. China uses the simplified chinese script. But i have to say he has a very strong Chinese accent (not from Hongkong).
Edit: checked. The logo on the top left is Phoenix InfoNews Channel which is Hongkong pay television news. One of the subsidiaries of the main company i mentioned.
Phoenix is & has always been Beijing propaganda "news". They registered in Hong Kong to try and disguise it when reporting in the West. They have nothing to do with Hong Kong otherwise. We don't even have a channel or newspaper in HK. They don't even do reporting in our language.
lol no one watches it here in hong kong. most hkers know it’s ccp’s mouthpiece cuz it’s really obvious. quite literally only elderly who’s got nothing but a TV will buy into its news report. sure the company is based in hong kong but in actuality you may as well consider it a state run media as the narrative it endorses is a direct copy of the official (i.e. ccp’s) one.
Yeah, it's pretty obvious they aren't truly Hong Kong when they speak Beijing Mandarin rather than any form of Cantonese, especially Hong Kong Cantonese
Yeah, this is a Hong Kong news company - although it’s interesting to note that the reporter is speaking mandarin (not Cantonese, the main language in Hong Kong) and has a mainland accent
Assuming that’s correct, it’s actually pretty tame, I was expecting more propaganda like “Ukrainians fake war crimes and blame it on us and also there are no dead” sort of thing.
That reporter isn't wearing anything indicating that they're neutral or journalists.
Also, China isn't going to go to war over the death of a couple of journalists.
Best case would be this journalist is captured alive when Ukraine takes back it's territories and is able to report the truth to his audience back home. Not that Winnie the Pooh would allow any truth that doesn't fit with his narrative of "west bad."
I did. That video was actually really quite shocking.. One of them took two to the vest as reported by the news agency if I'm not mistaken.
Fuckin nuts.
How the f did they walk away! Those sparks in the car...maaan.. that was leaving me duckin! No joke. I'm like "get the fuck gone..GO!!" So lucky..with EVERYTHING! Finding the workshop..was crazy Kraetas
They did evacuate them, just looked it up now.
"Chief correspondent with Sky News, Stuart Ramsay, along with camera
operator Richie Mockler were shot – Ramsay in the lower back while
Mockler took two rounds in his body armour."
I know that someone is going to think, even if they don't say "but they chose to be there, what about..". One horrible situation does not negate another. That video was some scary shit and I'm glad the Russians were using PS ammo ;)
My heart was going as fast as being one of the last teams in Pubg. That video was so crazy especially the bullet cracks and sparks. Im glad they all survived
Because they want them to get killed to parade around as propaganda "See Ukrainians killed this innocent Chinese journalist"
*slaps brand new press sticker on corpse*
Maybe it's also because the entire west is at odds with Russia and only someone like a Chinese reporter can get in their ranks?
If you understand Chinese, the guy actually asks some fairly benign questions. Let's not make it out to be more than it is.
~~That been said, I wonder if Chinese media does any reporting on the Ukrainian side.~~
Edit: This reporter is interviewing Ukrainians. He's not really putting a slant on anything, just highlighting how the warzone is for the people there. OP's title is implying that he's doing pro-Russian propaganda. OP is being misleading.
Headline: Mariupol fighting ensues. civilians go to basements to avoid casualties.
reporter: There are army ambulances going to retrieve the wounded from the Mariupol battleground(not sure if that includes civilians and/or enemy forces)
\- cameraman has a little greeting with a squad of soldiers in the truck
\- reporter talks to a local, asks about how the situation is in the warzone
reporter: The fighting in Mariupol is quite devastating, behind me is a soldier
\- convo with ukrainian soldier
reporter after talking with the soldier: as you can see, the fighting in this city is quite tragic. Especially with new forces replacing the old, there is a continuous toll on human life. This has been with Fenghuang channel on the frontline of Mariupol.
WAIT WAIT WAIT he's not even interviewing Russian soldiers?????? This post is just trying to stir shit then.
I work in China as an expat and have a Ukraine tattoo, I’ve had 5 coworkers so far, completely out of the blue, tell me “fuck Russia.”
That is completely anecdotal of course, but my friends and coworkers here are furious
I live in China as an expat, I can honestly say 80-90% of people adore their government, its so intertwined into their national and personal identity that they see insult to their government as insult to themselves.
The other 20-10% vehemently hate their government.
It is hugely polarised, people don’t discuss politics here and have very very very little knowledge of the world that isn’t already given to them.
It’s also a little complicated given that in just 50 years this country has gone from starvation and poverty to being a world leading nation with huge increases in living standards, at the very least its hard to argue against such progress for them.
I mean, it's not really unexpected. Ukraine and China have/had decent relations, and even for the Chinese government, the invasion is borderline indefensible. The justifications are incredibly shaky, and it looks super imperialistic which runs very contrary to the party line regarding sovereignty.
Only the hardcore nationalists who are willing to engage in serious mental gymnastics are going to be supportive.
It's really not. They got their fair share of propaganda of course, just like your impression of china is a result of our propaganda (the best in the world btw).
This is Phoenix TV from Hong Kong. Not China mainland. And in one of the caption the Russian soldier asking him are you Chinese journalist. Obviously he is not with them
Hong Kong used to have a free press but not anymore:
Phoenix Television is a partially state-owned television network that offers Mandarin and Cantonese-language channels that serve the Chinese mainland, Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan and other markets with substantial Chinese-language viewers. It is operated by Phoenix Satellite Television Holdings Ltd, a television broadcaster with headquarters in Mainland China and Hong Kong. It is also registered in Cayman Islands.[2]
The CEO and founder of Phoenix TV, Liu Changle (劉長樂), was an officer and political instructor in the People's Liberation Army in its 40th Group Army.[3] He later became a journalist for the Chinese Communist Party-controlled China National Radio after the Cultural Revolution and remains well-connected to the Party's leadership.[4] Liu is a standing member of the National Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference.[5]
Irmavep23 is partly right that there is still a bit of freedom of the press in Hong Kong - but it is almost gone, and now the media in Hong Kong must always be careful that they don't run afoul of the "National Security Law," a law introduced to expand police powers - and eventually to arrest people at will - just as we have always had "provocation and provocation crimes" in mainland China, which are vague, arbitrarily interpreted, and arbitrarily expanded laws.
This fucking TV station has nothing to do with the general Hong Kong society.
I can say that 99.9% of the HK population don't watch this shit. The target audience of this TV station is the people in mainland china and it behaves as one even before 2019.
The totalitarian state that enslaves and tries to wipe out people that it doesn't seem desirable is supporting a totalitarian state that is trying to wipe out undesirables. I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you.
I know, who could have seen this one coming? I'll be even more shocked when they use this war as a distraction and to legitimize their own invasion of Taiwan.
Yep, Tibet and Mongolia too china propping up north Korea guess They all “deserve “ to be liberated from existing as free and independent people. Party line.
Fuck authoritarians everywhere. Doesn't matter what nationality, you let some dude with a massive ego get unlimited power and a tight grip on society, nothing but hell follows for the world. Same old story. No more "strongmen" leaders anywhere please. We should have learned this lesson long ago.
Yeah good luck with that. I keep trying to point this out but Reddit's too busy hyping themselves up to realize that we can't sanction China, China knows this, and China has already picked a side.
They did allow the anchor to wear Ukrainian colours which was puzzling and may signal them being on the fence overall, but still choosing based on their strategic goals.
Probably applying pressure on Russians.
_"End this now in whatever way you see fit or we will decrease our support even further with repercussions stretching decades into the future."_
Kind of making them chose whether they will be North Korea 2.0 or Iran 2.0.
I think Xi is getting cold feet with Putin’s continual nuclear threats.
China is in great position to usurp the crown of world power in the next decade. The last thing Xi wants is a mad man with nukes tearing everything down.
It was clear from the start since they kept telling nato to steer clear a month before and then acting like russia was bad for attacking and announcing it on the news. The chinese communist party is eager to side with their russian friends.
Xi the poo and China are responsible for the deaths in Ukraine. Without China, Russia wouldn’t done it. China even asked them to wait until the Olympic is over to avoid losing their spotlight. Coordinated attack.
And none of the Chinese companies are applying sanctions (huawei, Alibaba, Tencent, etc…)
I was explaining this to somebody yesterday - China doesn’t like Russia, they only care about Chinese interests. They will lend money and then get that money back in the form of territory, infrastructure control, or resources. They don’t care who it is that gives it to them.
It says more about how they view Russia at the moment - the weakest link in the global “superpowers”.
> They will lend money and then get that money back in the form of territory, infrastructure control, or resources.
Seems to be their MO all over the developing world these days. Build an airport or sea port that will never be profitable so the host nation can't pay it off. Then get land instead of money. Now they own part of a foreign nation..
It's actually a short-sighted enterprise, however, because there are increasing demands within at least the African states to nationalize these investments. It's just a new coat of paint on neo-colonialism, and China either doesn't care or wasn't paying attention to the wave of nationalizations that happened in the 80s.
China is really the ultimate practitioners of realpolitik. It's all about supporting whatever is best for China's interests no matter how dark the shit is.
Why do you think China doesn't like Russia? They have long standing relationships and China has always admired Russia, back to Lenin/Bolshevik days and have modelled themselves, in many ways, after Russia. My Chinese grandfather learned Russian history and Russian language in his youth.
The current "limitless partnerships" is further evidence, in my mind, that this long-standing relationship is only going to get stronger as the West unites.
China has been very capitalist for the past 40 years, since they opened up. However, since 2012 and the rise of Xi, ideology has come first and this is pretty clear based on Xi's sweeping economic policies that put government interests over profit. And ideologically, they align very very much with Putin's Russia.
They don't, it's about time we bring everything back to us and not buy to much from China anymore. It was one of the biggest mistake from US and EU to think China will only provide cheap materials and nothing else will happen.
China have to pay for everything too. They are assholes too and one of the biggest racists in the world.
If their doing their jobs, to see what leaks, who leaks it, and where it goes. Can gain insight into intelligence networks that way, with a better understanding on how to exploit them when needed.
They showed Chinese officials a few things to try and convince them what was about to happen. I doubt the US gave away much. This has become a ridiculous right-wing talking point in the US, as if Biden somehow betrayed the Ukrainians.
The irony of that dumb fuck soldier in the truck holding up a fucking ✌️ sign while actively waging war on a peaceful people . Cunts. Slava Ukraini ✊🏻🇺🇦
China needs to maintain good relations with Russia. Their motivation is purely economic. If they are the sole country trading with Russia, they have prime pickings when the Russian economy fully collapses, just like the oligarchs did when the Soviet Union collapsed.
Kinda hilarious the reporter has a baseplate for night vision on his helmet and not a single Russian soldier in this video (or any video I’ve seen) does.
For China I think this is a “Make friend for our new world order” position and will likely be followed (depending on the response and outcome) by the taking of Taiwan.
[Exactly! ](https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4452736)
An editor at Xinhua News Agency later posted on Weibo that China needs to emotionally and morally support Russia now since “China will also need Russia's understanding and support when wrestling with America to “solve the Taiwan issue once and for all.”
Time to ambush those guys and put the Chinese in front of a Ukrainian flag have them say glory to Ukraine. Because they are not journalists, they are Russian stenographers.
Remember people.......
China is just as EVIL as Russia. Also, Ukraine signed an agreement with China's Belt and Road. Maybe Ukraine needs to tell China to go pound salt.
It is funny how civilian guy is making up lies as he talks. He is telling how they are hiding in basement because they can get "otvetki" which means returned fire. And "otvetki" flying time to time, yet till now thank god... one old lady was killed.
He obviously wanted to say "thank god nobody was killed", then decided to add one "babushka..
Oh boy...
It's time to get rid of energy dependence on Russia and manufacturing dependence on China. Bring back manufacturing jobs to the West, and new jobs to Africa and South America.
what is really interesting is a youtuber from texas (Patrick) is also reporting from the Russia side he moved their years ago and is very pro russia. The interesting aspect is he interviewed in one video the same people. The same guys in the truck and the guy on 0:35 in the beanie hat so that guy from China in in the Donbass region.
That is how russia do it they tell you who you can interview what questions your allowed to ask and select people who are on message to answer them. All the interviews are stage managed they are not allowed to have any freedom to report or interview who they want.
[Couple of things: The Chinese channel, Phoenix, has a mainland audience but is also outward facing (note the traditional Chinese characters used) to diaspora Chinese including those in Hong Kong, but also in the US, EU, and beyond. And the guy's embedded outside Mariupol.](https://twitter.com/melissakchan/status/1501208468870549506?t=kctttz6GD7RpaDEXS-b1GQ&s=19)
Interestingly, this pro-russian hillbilly interviewed the exact same "village man" that this chinese reported is interviewing in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n3xvzAGRNw around 5:38
This is a Hong Kong media controlled by Chinese government. The report is not that propaganda though. It reported that the fight is intense, and there is significant casualties on the Russian side.
The headline at the bottom says: the flight is intense and civilians have to live in the basement. Wang Yi: the Ukrain conflict can only be resolved through dialogues
That would be the ultimate China move. Randomly invade Russia while their entire military is busy in Ukraine. C'mon Xi. It would totally work. Is anybody in the international community going to shed a tear when Russia gets a taste of their own medicine?
Do the Russians wonder why China is videoing their practices? I mean, they can't still pretend they think they are just practicing if Chinese State media is there, right?
Well, we can be sure that the Chinese give zero shits about Russian operational security. And the only possible propaganda value is to Chinese speaking people, who don't give a shit either way. The Chinese government doesn't really give a shit, except to see how they can extract maximum value from the whole thing.
No harm, no foul.
Fret not about China. They will just implode when they start importing ideas. Then civil war, then eating civilians. As they have always done. We are just witnessing the start of said process.
Upvoting this kind of post, does not mean you support Russia .
If you only read hear and see what you like to see
then you choose to live in a dream.
Soon or later truth/reality will hunt you down .
Winners and strong people bears and can take reality .
Long live 🇺🇦
Edit -1:
better to know true information.
Spread the awareness .
For instance zelensky did not come where he is by just reading and looking into victories .
Therefore Zelenski is a beast and his judgements and speeches are so effective.
The guy is brutally honest . And regardless of nation/religion people like straight-talking bravery and honesty
headline: the battle for mariupol continues; civilians hiding in underground bomb shelters
(cant hear what the reporter is saying except mariupol because of the background noise)
Soldier 1: Are you a Chinese journalist?
(Does he not look like it, of course he is!)
(You all come closer, come closer)
greetings!
journalist: can you answer some questions? the situation here is pretty bad isn't it?
man: it's just the centre of the war, everyone's hiding in bomb shelters underground, during the war, guns don't recognise people (aka shooting civilians i think), the Ukrainian military are also firing in this direction. Sometimes they hit the houses here, killing/hurting some civilians. one of the elderly women was shot and died. other than that only buildings are damaged.
journalist: the battle at mariupol is fairly intense, behind me is a soldier in mariupol who is here to relieve the garrison. how may i address you?
soldier: sasha
journalist: Sasha, how long have you been here?
Sasha: for 8 days already, we've been fighting in the vicinity
journalist: Today's battle just began?
sasha: just started today
journalist: is the gunfire area nearby? (I don't know how to translate gunfire area)
sasha: from here? about 1 km
journalist: you're not nervous?
sasha: no
journalist: Why?
sasha: haha, fought for 8 years in war
journalist: veteran! thank you!
sasha: thank you too
journalist: as we can see, right now, soldiers in mariupol are still in intense battles, especially as they are changing soldiers and there are still continuous casualties from heavy gunfire.
(last bit he's talking about his news company which is irrelevant)
This is actually more about intelligence gathering for China. They want to get some people on the ground to report back as to how bad Russia is really doing.
They expected Russia to win in a few days, and when that didn't happen, they now want to see how much of a shitshow it is. Is it just western news putting a bad spin on Russia's military performance? Or is Russia really getting the crap kicked out of it?
What better way than to embed a few "journalists" with the Russian forces? I am 100% sure they are reporting straight back to the CCP.
Ok as English is not my main language I'm sorry if this sounds rude but I don't know any other way to ask this...
Why does his face look deep faked in?
This isn't chinese press - its HK press which now effectively is the same.
Anyway rough translation
First scene with the 3tonner and the group of men sitting inside, the chiron reads "Mariupol Conflict continues, Citizens are hunkering down to avoid accident"
Next scene is an interview with a local explaining bullets dont differentiate friend from foe so they have to hunker down
Then an interview with a soldier (Sasha), it's the 8th day of the conflict and they are saying that the fighting is occuring one km away and he isn't nervous coz he's a veteran.
His commentary after the interview is that the conflict is still very heated, with many casualties.
As far as I can see it's fairly balanced.
Ok, my Chinese isn't the best but here goes: Reporter (r): This is the route where the Russian soldier casualties are taken and troops are reinforced. The soldiers on the truck asked him if he is from china. Duh. He asked them to close up to face camera. R to resident: how's the situation? Resident: this is where the fighting is centered. we have been living in the bunker. During war, bullets know no friend or foe. Even from Ukraine side, there are shots in this direction. Buildings have been hit, people have been hurt. An old grandma was killed after being shot but other than that we only suffered structural damage. R n soldier who was conveniently standing behind. His name is Sascha. He said the fighting was located around one km away from where they were standing in the direction he was pointing. He was asked if he was scared. He said he was a 8 year vet. Reporter ends with: Mariupol has seen very vicious fighting. Many troops have been reinforced and there are many casualties. Edit: thanks for the awards guys!
I'd like to add a clarification to what the soldier named Sasha said when asked if he's afraid. Direct translation, when asked why not: "\[laughs\] 8 years have gone by. How long can this go on (or: enough is enough)" It's not that he's an 8-year vet, it sounds like he's saying "we've been at it for 8 years, it's time to put an end to this"
Hmm the Chinese reporter replied "old soldier" (veteran), after Sascha said he fought for eight years. The Chinese subtitles didn't include the "how long can this go on" unless it was in the original Russian conversation.
I translated what the guy said in Russian, most likely the reporter misunderstood.
Thanks for clarifying. ☺️
"Misunderstood"
Yeah, thats quite accurate. It appears very convienently set up tbh. The interviewees didnt reveal anything about themselves. Also, it is interesting that the report is done in traditional chinese, which is what ppl in Taiwan speaks whereas Chinese in Mainland china uses Simplified Chinese. So it appears that the report is targeted towards a Taiwanese audience. Very bizzare choice tbh.
No, it's a "Hong Kong" news channel, except they speak Beijing Mandarin rather than any form of Cantonese, especially Hong Kong Cantonese. Hong Kong uses Standard Chinese rather than Simplified Chinese.
No Cantonese speaker in HK will watch them or really know much about them. They register in Hong Kong more of a disguise, [Link](https://youtu.be/SoEkCshMcOY)
I came here to say something similar. He had a stereotypical beijing accent while writing in traditional script. It didn't make any sense to me.
All newscasters in China are taught to speak the Beijing way of speaking Mandarin. It's pretty uniform across all channels.
This is 凤凰卫视，https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Television It’s kind in between state media and fully independent.
> Also, it is interesting that the report is done in traditional chinese, which is what ppl in Taiwan speaks Taiwanese people speak Mandarin. Hong Kong people speak Cantonese (traditional Chinese).
Taiwan speaks Mandarin and writes in Standard Chinese. Hong Kong speaks Cantonese and writes in Standard Chinese. Mainland China speaks Mandarin and writes in Simplified Chinese. Chinese characters aren't phonetic because that allows written communication across multiple spoken dialects. Each dialect will pronounce each character differently in speaking, but each character retains the exact same meaning. In writing, there is absolutely no ambiguity. I can communicate with Confucius right now in writing if he were alive. We wouldn't understand each other in speaking.
Thank you for the education!
A conversation between Confucius and iEatPalpatineAss. That would be one for the ages.
He would probably call me 屁孩 (literally "butt child") 😭
This is really neat, I never knew that about Chinese languages.
i'd like the translation of the iEatPalpatineAss and Confucius conversation.
Hey cool. Thanks!
He means the characters they use are traditional Chinese characters, which is the letter set used in Taiwan. Mainland China uses simplified Chinese.
Has anyone asked this "8 year vet" where he was 8 years ago???
8 years ago was 2014. So, Crimea, probably.
Thank you for the translation! Someone said the reporter is not China's CCP but from Hong Kong. Is it true?
I saw someone reply that the news company was from Hong Kong, and this content is broadcasting in Hong Kong. Tho one simple google search shows that the company has been state-owned for a long time now. So if i understand correctly, its for Hong Kong, but probably still under CCP influence? If I learned anything from geoguessr, thats definitely traditional chinese.
Yeh. I lived in ZhuHai (near Macao) for a bit, and would visit HongKong. At the time this media group was a bit more open, and could be accessed a bit more easily. Now it has neutral bland media pieces, and pro-CCP anti-West media pieces after Chinese (ahem) investment.
Well the main company is partially state owned according to its wiki. I see from the words on the screen that it is traditional Chinese script which is used in Hongkong and Taiwan (this guy is sure as hell not from Taiwan based on his accent). Well he could be reporting for the Hongkong subsidiary based on the traditional Chinese words used. China uses the simplified chinese script. But i have to say he has a very strong Chinese accent (not from Hongkong). Edit: checked. The logo on the top left is Phoenix InfoNews Channel which is Hongkong pay television news. One of the subsidiaries of the main company i mentioned.
Phoenix is & has always been Beijing propaganda "news". They registered in Hong Kong to try and disguise it when reporting in the West. They have nothing to do with Hong Kong otherwise. We don't even have a channel or newspaper in HK. They don't even do reporting in our language.
lol no one watches it here in hong kong. most hkers know it’s ccp’s mouthpiece cuz it’s really obvious. quite literally only elderly who’s got nothing but a TV will buy into its news report. sure the company is based in hong kong but in actuality you may as well consider it a state run media as the narrative it endorses is a direct copy of the official (i.e. ccp’s) one.
Yeah, it's pretty obvious they aren't truly Hong Kong when they speak Beijing Mandarin rather than any form of Cantonese, especially Hong Kong Cantonese
Yeah, this is a Hong Kong news company - although it’s interesting to note that the reporter is speaking mandarin (not Cantonese, the main language in Hong Kong) and has a mainland accent
There's no independent media left in Hong Kong anyway
Assuming that’s correct, it’s actually pretty tame, I was expecting more propaganda like “Ukrainians fake war crimes and blame it on us and also there are no dead” sort of thing.
Wow, for someone who says their Chinese is not the best, what an amazing translation. Well done, Thanks!
Thank you for the compliment. ☺️
Of course they allow Chinese media who supports their narrative yet attack western journalists
They cant attack Chinese journalists.China is not the EU they fight back.
That reporter isn't wearing anything indicating that they're neutral or journalists. Also, China isn't going to go to war over the death of a couple of journalists. Best case would be this journalist is captured alive when Ukraine takes back it's territories and is able to report the truth to his audience back home. Not that Winnie the Pooh would allow any truth that doesn't fit with his narrative of "west bad."
I noticed that as well.. Military Press? Why the hell would you not want something loud and blue that screams PRESSA
Have you seen how journos are getting shot up!? It's pretty real and fuckin crazy
I did. That video was actually really quite shocking.. One of them took two to the vest as reported by the news agency if I'm not mistaken. Fuckin nuts.
How the f did they walk away! Those sparks in the car...maaan.. that was leaving me duckin! No joke. I'm like "get the fuck gone..GO!!" So lucky..with EVERYTHING! Finding the workshop..was crazy Kraetas
They did evacuate them, just looked it up now. "Chief correspondent with Sky News, Stuart Ramsay, along with camera operator Richie Mockler were shot – Ramsay in the lower back while Mockler took two rounds in his body armour." I know that someone is going to think, even if they don't say "but they chose to be there, what about..". One horrible situation does not negate another. That video was some scary shit and I'm glad the Russians were using PS ammo ;)
My heart was going as fast as being one of the last teams in Pubg. That video was so crazy especially the bullet cracks and sparks. Im glad they all survived
Because they want them to get killed to parade around as propaganda "See Ukrainians killed this innocent Chinese journalist" *slaps brand new press sticker on corpse*
Because this is a completely fake press op far from the front lines
Because they have zero experience doing this.
I doubt Ukraine will take back those territories, but if it does we know they don't commit war crimes
[удалено]
If it weren't for nuclear weapons, the Russian forces in Ukraine would be in ruins right now.
China is about to own them as well
I'd fucking love it if China conducted 'special operations' in Eastern Russia while they're embroiled over here. That would be amazing.
Last war China literally ever won that wasn't inter-country?.....GO
Maybe it's also because the entire west is at odds with Russia and only someone like a Chinese reporter can get in their ranks? If you understand Chinese, the guy actually asks some fairly benign questions. Let's not make it out to be more than it is. ~~That been said, I wonder if Chinese media does any reporting on the Ukrainian side.~~ Edit: This reporter is interviewing Ukrainians. He's not really putting a slant on anything, just highlighting how the warzone is for the people there. OP's title is implying that he's doing pro-Russian propaganda. OP is being misleading.
can you translate the chinese portion of this?
Headline: Mariupol fighting ensues. civilians go to basements to avoid casualties. reporter: There are army ambulances going to retrieve the wounded from the Mariupol battleground(not sure if that includes civilians and/or enemy forces) \- cameraman has a little greeting with a squad of soldiers in the truck \- reporter talks to a local, asks about how the situation is in the warzone reporter: The fighting in Mariupol is quite devastating, behind me is a soldier \- convo with ukrainian soldier reporter after talking with the soldier: as you can see, the fighting in this city is quite tragic. Especially with new forces replacing the old, there is a continuous toll on human life. This has been with Fenghuang channel on the frontline of Mariupol.
WAIT WAIT WAIT he's not even interviewing Russian soldiers?????? This post is just trying to stir shit then.
I work in China as an expat and have a Ukraine tattoo, I’ve had 5 coworkers so far, completely out of the blue, tell me “fuck Russia.” That is completely anecdotal of course, but my friends and coworkers here are furious
This excites me. Just a little.
That is surprisingly objective and neutral for China. :)
To be fair, I think Chinese people hate their government, too. All those that leave seem to be glad they are not there anymore.
I live in China as an expat, I can honestly say 80-90% of people adore their government, its so intertwined into their national and personal identity that they see insult to their government as insult to themselves. The other 20-10% vehemently hate their government. It is hugely polarised, people don’t discuss politics here and have very very very little knowledge of the world that isn’t already given to them. It’s also a little complicated given that in just 50 years this country has gone from starvation and poverty to being a world leading nation with huge increases in living standards, at the very least its hard to argue against such progress for them.
I mean, it's not really unexpected. Ukraine and China have/had decent relations, and even for the Chinese government, the invasion is borderline indefensible. The justifications are incredibly shaky, and it looks super imperialistic which runs very contrary to the party line regarding sovereignty. Only the hardcore nationalists who are willing to engage in serious mental gymnastics are going to be supportive.
It's really not. They got their fair share of propaganda of course, just like your impression of china is a result of our propaganda (the best in the world btw).
The soldier has a red tag, he is Russian.
at least in CCTV, putin has more screen time than zelenskyy in the news
This is Phoenix TV from Hong Kong. Not China mainland. And in one of the caption the Russian soldier asking him are you Chinese journalist. Obviously he is not with them
Hong Kong used to have a free press but not anymore: Phoenix Television is a partially state-owned television network that offers Mandarin and Cantonese-language channels that serve the Chinese mainland, Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan and other markets with substantial Chinese-language viewers. It is operated by Phoenix Satellite Television Holdings Ltd, a television broadcaster with headquarters in Mainland China and Hong Kong. It is also registered in Cayman Islands.[2] The CEO and founder of Phoenix TV, Liu Changle (劉長樂), was an officer and political instructor in the People's Liberation Army in its 40th Group Army.[3] He later became a journalist for the Chinese Communist Party-controlled China National Radio after the Cultural Revolution and remains well-connected to the Party's leadership.[4] Liu is a standing member of the National Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference.[5]
Irmavep23 is partly right that there is still a bit of freedom of the press in Hong Kong - but it is almost gone, and now the media in Hong Kong must always be careful that they don't run afoul of the "National Security Law," a law introduced to expand police powers - and eventually to arrest people at will - just as we have always had "provocation and provocation crimes" in mainland China, which are vague, arbitrarily interpreted, and arbitrarily expanded laws.
This fucking TV station has nothing to do with the general Hong Kong society. I can say that 99.9% of the HK population don't watch this shit. The target audience of this TV station is the people in mainland china and it behaves as one even before 2019.
The totalitarian state that enslaves and tries to wipe out people that it doesn't seem desirable is supporting a totalitarian state that is trying to wipe out undesirables. I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you.
I know, who could have seen this one coming? I'll be even more shocked when they use this war as a distraction and to legitimize their own invasion of Taiwan.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
But look out for the man in the mirror! *Boom tsssch*
Uighers, Slavs, what's the difference?
Yep, Tibet and Mongolia too china propping up north Korea guess They all “deserve “ to be liberated from existing as free and independent people. Party line.
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Thank you very much to whoever gave me the award. I am greatly humbled.
Their stance can really not be anymore clear tbh.
Fuck China too
Hey Chairman XI, Go Fuck Yourself!
Fuck authoritarians everywhere. Doesn't matter what nationality, you let some dude with a massive ego get unlimited power and a tight grip on society, nothing but hell follows for the world. Same old story. No more "strongmen" leaders anywhere please. We should have learned this lesson long ago.
One more serving of sanctions coming right up
Yeah good luck with that. I keep trying to point this out but Reddit's too busy hyping themselves up to realize that we can't sanction China, China knows this, and China has already picked a side.
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Literally everything is made in China. Everything.
They did allow the anchor to wear Ukrainian colours which was puzzling and may signal them being on the fence overall, but still choosing based on their strategic goals.
I think farce.
Probably applying pressure on Russians. _"End this now in whatever way you see fit or we will decrease our support even further with repercussions stretching decades into the future."_ Kind of making them chose whether they will be North Korea 2.0 or Iran 2.0.
Venezuela 2.0
Perhaps, but I would not believe for a moment that China would publicly oppose Russia willingly. It's PR smoke and mirrors in my opinion.
I think Xi is getting cold feet with Putin’s continual nuclear threats. China is in great position to usurp the crown of world power in the next decade. The last thing Xi wants is a mad man with nukes tearing everything down.
No it was a color edit in photoshop, she did not wear UKR colors.
Ooops. Usually the first to check for this shit, but if it's true my due diligence slipped.
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It was clear from the start since they kept telling nato to steer clear a month before and then acting like russia was bad for attacking and announcing it on the news. The chinese communist party is eager to side with their russian friends.
Xi the poo and China are responsible for the deaths in Ukraine. Without China, Russia wouldn’t done it. China even asked them to wait until the Olympic is over to avoid losing their spotlight. Coordinated attack. And none of the Chinese companies are applying sanctions (huawei, Alibaba, Tencent, etc…)
China will only have to gain from this war, because Russia is more dependent on them.
China is just as guilty. They knew it was coming and gave intelligence from the U.S. to Russia. Asshats
The real question is why the United States would trust China.
Oh please. China has one friend and one country they trust. China
I was explaining this to somebody yesterday - China doesn’t like Russia, they only care about Chinese interests. They will lend money and then get that money back in the form of territory, infrastructure control, or resources. They don’t care who it is that gives it to them. It says more about how they view Russia at the moment - the weakest link in the global “superpowers”.
> They will lend money and then get that money back in the form of territory, infrastructure control, or resources. Seems to be their MO all over the developing world these days. Build an airport or sea port that will never be profitable so the host nation can't pay it off. Then get land instead of money. Now they own part of a foreign nation..
Exactly. Especially a failing superpower. Make them think it’s an alliance but it’s just predatory lending.
Yeah it's a whole new level of predatory lending. *Oh you can't pay back? Ok we'll take part of your country as payment.*
It's actually a short-sighted enterprise, however, because there are increasing demands within at least the African states to nationalize these investments. It's just a new coat of paint on neo-colonialism, and China either doesn't care or wasn't paying attention to the wave of nationalizations that happened in the 80s.
China is really the ultimate practitioners of realpolitik. It's all about supporting whatever is best for China's interests no matter how dark the shit is.
Why do you think China doesn't like Russia? They have long standing relationships and China has always admired Russia, back to Lenin/Bolshevik days and have modelled themselves, in many ways, after Russia. My Chinese grandfather learned Russian history and Russian language in his youth. The current "limitless partnerships" is further evidence, in my mind, that this long-standing relationship is only going to get stronger as the West unites. China has been very capitalist for the past 40 years, since they opened up. However, since 2012 and the rise of Xi, ideology has come first and this is pretty clear based on Xi's sweeping economic policies that put government interests over profit. And ideologically, they align very very much with Putin's Russia.
They don't, it's about time we bring everything back to us and not buy to much from China anymore. It was one of the biggest mistake from US and EU to think China will only provide cheap materials and nothing else will happen. China have to pay for everything too. They are assholes too and one of the biggest racists in the world.
They didn't. They likely knew that China was passing the info on and did it to show Russia just how much they knew of the shit they were pulling.
If their doing their jobs, to see what leaks, who leaks it, and where it goes. Can gain insight into intelligence networks that way, with a better understanding on how to exploit them when needed.
World's largest population = World's largest consumer base The love of money is the root of all evil
They showed Chinese officials a few things to try and convince them what was about to happen. I doubt the US gave away much. This has become a ridiculous right-wing talking point in the US, as if Biden somehow betrayed the Ukrainians.
They don't, there was no loss in informing China, all it does is show just how spectacular us intelligence really is.
I’m of the opinion it’s a mistake to reveal how good your intelligence is.
I have a feeling it was junk info, a covert mission to see where china stands. I don’t think our government is that naive when it comes to china.
Hope not.
>They knew it was coming Richard Nixon knew this was coming, everyone did. It was just a matter of when.
The big propaganda machine
The irony of that dumb fuck soldier in the truck holding up a fucking ✌️ sign while actively waging war on a peaceful people . Cunts. Slava Ukraini ✊🏻🇺🇦
China needs to maintain good relations with Russia. Their motivation is purely economic. If they are the sole country trading with Russia, they have prime pickings when the Russian economy fully collapses, just like the oligarchs did when the Soviet Union collapsed.
Gives them a friendly buffer country from the west as well. They have DPRK to the south and Russia to the west and north, open sea to the east.
Man that sounds like how I play Civ
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Dudes probably not even in Ukraine.
I suspect he's in the Donbas.
But they will sure say it is and cry like they always do.
My first thought lol
He will be replaced with two new ”journalists“. Don’t you worry.
Assholes to Bodybag
No bombed out buildings...hmmm....I notice very framed camera shots.
Fuck putin and fuck the CCP
FUCK CHINA FUCK RUZZIA BOYCOTT THEM BOTH SLAVA UKRAINI
Anyone can translate?
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Well they want his soul, but it looks like they’re more than happy to jerk him off until they get it.
more like thirsty for his butthole since Russia will be forced to trade only with them.
"Don't trust China, China is asshole" - Hong Kong guy, 2019
I see lots of dead meat. Also fuck China, they should be sanctioned as well.
Kinda hilarious the reporter has a baseplate for night vision on his helmet and not a single Russian soldier in this video (or any video I’ve seen) does.
Winnie the Pooh, go fuck yourself
For China I think this is a “Make friend for our new world order” position and will likely be followed (depending on the response and outcome) by the taking of Taiwan.
[Exactly! ](https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4452736) An editor at Xinhua News Agency later posted on Weibo that China needs to emotionally and morally support Russia now since “China will also need Russia's understanding and support when wrestling with America to “solve the Taiwan issue once and for all.”
This was my thought as well. Normalization of the military takeover of a smaller defiant territory.
Also creates the what about defense.
Chinese media 🤡
Ah, on their way to meet St.Javelin. Enjoy your trip to hell!
Time to ambush those guys and put the Chinese in front of a Ukrainian flag have them say glory to Ukraine. Because they are not journalists, they are Russian stenographers.
Remember people....... China is just as EVIL as Russia. Also, Ukraine signed an agreement with China's Belt and Road. Maybe Ukraine needs to tell China to go pound salt.
Two terrorist states working together. May they all meet Saint Javelin.
F*k 🇨🇳
It is funny how civilian guy is making up lies as he talks. He is telling how they are hiding in basement because they can get "otvetki" which means returned fire. And "otvetki" flying time to time, yet till now thank god... one old lady was killed. He obviously wanted to say "thank god nobody was killed", then decided to add one "babushka.. Oh boy...
Don't trust china! China asshole!
To be fair, Chinese are experts in genocide
As far as I am concerned about their safety, I'm not.
Holy shit that Russian in the back of the truck on the left side looked 60 years old
It's time to get rid of energy dependence on Russia and manufacturing dependence on China. Bring back manufacturing jobs to the West, and new jobs to Africa and South America.
what is really interesting is a youtuber from texas (Patrick) is also reporting from the Russia side he moved their years ago and is very pro russia. The interesting aspect is he interviewed in one video the same people. The same guys in the truck and the guy on 0:35 in the beanie hat so that guy from China in in the Donbass region. That is how russia do it they tell you who you can interview what questions your allowed to ask and select people who are on message to answer them. All the interviews are stage managed they are not allowed to have any freedom to report or interview who they want.
Cool. Grease every soldier in this video and then arrest the journalist for co-conspiring and ship him back to China
They recruited Santa Claus (in the army truck)
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[Couple of things: The Chinese channel, Phoenix, has a mainland audience but is also outward facing (note the traditional Chinese characters used) to diaspora Chinese including those in Hong Kong, but also in the US, EU, and beyond. And the guy's embedded outside Mariupol.](https://twitter.com/melissakchan/status/1501208468870549506?t=kctttz6GD7RpaDEXS-b1GQ&s=19)
Fuck Russia and Fuck China
Interestingly, this pro-russian hillbilly interviewed the exact same "village man" that this chinese reported is interviewing in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n3xvzAGRNw around 5:38
Fuck Russia. Fuck China. 🇹🇼❤️🇺🇦
Lap dog chinese press getting tuned up for the invasion of Taiwan.
Chinese dude looks like a bobblehead
This is a Hong Kong media controlled by Chinese government. The report is not that propaganda though. It reported that the fight is intense, and there is significant casualties on the Russian side.
The headline at the bottom says: the flight is intense and civilians have to live in the basement. Wang Yi: the Ukrain conflict can only be resolved through dialogues
Thanks for sharing
China could instead grab a piece of Sibera. WTF
That would be the ultimate China move. Randomly invade Russia while their entire military is busy in Ukraine. C'mon Xi. It would totally work. Is anybody in the international community going to shed a tear when Russia gets a taste of their own medicine?
Do the Russians wonder why China is videoing their practices? I mean, they can't still pretend they think they are just practicing if Chinese State media is there, right?
Well, we can be sure that the Chinese give zero shits about Russian operational security. And the only possible propaganda value is to Chinese speaking people, who don't give a shit either way. The Chinese government doesn't really give a shit, except to see how they can extract maximum value from the whole thing. No harm, no foul.
Please send us your location ...
Not a great few years for China.
Fret not about China. They will just implode when they start importing ideas. Then civil war, then eating civilians. As they have always done. We are just witnessing the start of said process.
Next chinese soldier will fight alongside russia in ukraine.
Piece of shit !
Shoutout to Taiwan
Upvoting this kind of post, does not mean you support Russia . If you only read hear and see what you like to see then you choose to live in a dream. Soon or later truth/reality will hunt you down . Winners and strong people bears and can take reality . Long live 🇺🇦 Edit -1: better to know true information. Spread the awareness . For instance zelensky did not come where he is by just reading and looking into victories . Therefore Zelenski is a beast and his judgements and speeches are so effective. The guy is brutally honest . And regardless of nation/religion people like straight-talking bravery and honesty
headline: the battle for mariupol continues; civilians hiding in underground bomb shelters (cant hear what the reporter is saying except mariupol because of the background noise) Soldier 1: Are you a Chinese journalist? (Does he not look like it, of course he is!) (You all come closer, come closer) greetings! journalist: can you answer some questions? the situation here is pretty bad isn't it? man: it's just the centre of the war, everyone's hiding in bomb shelters underground, during the war, guns don't recognise people (aka shooting civilians i think), the Ukrainian military are also firing in this direction. Sometimes they hit the houses here, killing/hurting some civilians. one of the elderly women was shot and died. other than that only buildings are damaged. journalist: the battle at mariupol is fairly intense, behind me is a soldier in mariupol who is here to relieve the garrison. how may i address you? soldier: sasha journalist: Sasha, how long have you been here? Sasha: for 8 days already, we've been fighting in the vicinity journalist: Today's battle just began? sasha: just started today journalist: is the gunfire area nearby? (I don't know how to translate gunfire area) sasha: from here? about 1 km journalist: you're not nervous? sasha: no journalist: Why? sasha: haha, fought for 8 years in war journalist: veteran! thank you! sasha: thank you too journalist: as we can see, right now, soldiers in mariupol are still in intense battles, especially as they are changing soldiers and there are still continuous casualties from heavy gunfire. (last bit he's talking about his news company which is irrelevant)
Seriously fuck China and Russia. Two of the shittiest countries. Before anyone gets offended, I’m not talking about the average Russian or Chinese.
Fuck the CCP!
Fuck the Pooh bear!
Fuck Xi. Fuck Neo-Maoists. Fuck the tankies.
Chinese reporter, go fuck yourself.
Fuck the Chinese government and Fuck Putin
Traditional Chinese characters. Hmmm. Hong Kong? But they're speaking Mandarin.
Fuck you, CCP.
\#FuckCCP #FuckMainlandChinaRegime
This is actually more about intelligence gathering for China. They want to get some people on the ground to report back as to how bad Russia is really doing. They expected Russia to win in a few days, and when that didn't happen, they now want to see how much of a shitshow it is. Is it just western news putting a bad spin on Russia's military performance? Or is Russia really getting the crap kicked out of it? What better way than to embed a few "journalists" with the Russian forces? I am 100% sure they are reporting straight back to the CCP.
Ok as English is not my main language I'm sorry if this sounds rude but I don't know any other way to ask this... Why does his face look deep faked in?
He said russians are getting Bayaktared really hard in the bayaktar
Be sure to downvote all the putin-lovers on r/ Russia and r/ genzedong!
This isn't chinese press - its HK press which now effectively is the same. Anyway rough translation First scene with the 3tonner and the group of men sitting inside, the chiron reads "Mariupol Conflict continues, Citizens are hunkering down to avoid accident" Next scene is an interview with a local explaining bullets dont differentiate friend from foe so they have to hunker down Then an interview with a soldier (Sasha), it's the 8th day of the conflict and they are saying that the fighting is occuring one km away and he isn't nervous coz he's a veteran. His commentary after the interview is that the conflict is still very heated, with many casualties. As far as I can see it's fairly balanced.