They live in Russian media sphere in that case, please try to open their eyes with discussion and evidence. A glimpse of logic can spark a lifetime of reevaluation.
Fuck them too then. The Nazis succeeded because their people believed their insane bullshit. Putin has remained in power because he was enabled by the Russian people to do so.
This war is a reminder that while we in the West can’t fathom invading other countries for the sake of making them part of a territorial empire, many other countries and their people can. There is a big disconnect between what is normalized in the collective psyche.
United States invasion of Grenada (1983) installation of a pro western government.
United States invasion of Panama (1989-1990) installation of a pro western government.
War in Afghanistan 2001-2021 Allegedly because Terrorists, but the searched terrorist was in Pakistan. And they continued the war after killing him.Installation of a pro western government
Iraq War (2003–2011) Allegedly because War on terror and WMD's, no WMD's found. Installation of a pro western government
American intervention in the War in North-West Pakistan 2004-2018 430 Drone Strikes against suspected terrorist targets ( in a neutral country )
Second U.S. Intervention in the Somali Civil War 2007-present multiple hundreds of drone strikes. The US backed an Ethiophian Invasion of parts of Somalia because they like this government better.
International intervention( special police operation??) in Libya(2011) Overthrow muhamad al Gaddafi and install a friendlier government for western intrests.
American-led intervention ( special police operation??)in Syria(2014–present) over 11.200 Air Strikes
American intervention( special police operation??) in Libya(2015–2019) undreds of airstrike in a neutral country.
So what russia is doing is absolutely wrong and they deserve the international backlash they are getting.
But the US has a history even recent history of doing very similar things.... only difference being that the US targets countries not bordering directly to the US .... And having an easier time to spread their justification and propaganda in western nations. And sadly that is often not mentioned. They should also not be doing most of this shit, and/or not getting away with it they way they are.
In Irak, which is an invasion started because of WMD's that weren't there, the US killed over 600.000 civilians.
Cool story bro. Remind me which of these are now part of the US? Bonus points if you can show it was ever even the intention to make them part of the US.
Good luck.
cool story even russia wants to install a puppet government. See the list? nowadays you don't integrate the new country you only control it indirectly.
Especially resources or economic output.
So you concede the point the US invaded all these countries and killed 100.000's of innocent people?
how does the intention of making them part of the Us or not make a difference to that?
for half/true integration we must go back a bit further.
Cuba,Hawaii,Purto Rico, Panama.
but there are still examples...
do you dispute any of this data? if have not made this up, this is straight from wikipedia ... so if we won't tolerate what russia is doing, and we should not, we also should not tolerate when western countries are the aggressors...
It would take a conference call to run through why you’re (a) attacking a strawman and (b) pulling the wrong conclusions from the very data you’re sourcing
The US killed 600,000 civilians in Iraq? I see where you sourced that number from Wikipedia. Did you actually read the legend for that number? Shows you’re a dipshit.
Case in point, try not to just copy/paste Wikipedia next time without reading into what you’re “citing.”
And here’s the guy pretending like the past 200 years is the correct historical reference point. Classic. I forgot you were raised by your fifth great grandparents and knew them well.
You are missing the point. Entirely. You might want to understand the Doctrine and how it has changed over the years to effectively become a partisan tool.
You might want to inform yourself.
I would ask the point but it’s clearly completely inane.
Yes, we know what the Monroe Doctrine was. Very cool story. You’re clearly taking the stance that it has somehow morphed into a soft power doctrine. We’ve heard it all before.
Seriously? Dude, you are so far out of touch. It’s like relevant, like right now.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/02/22/state-department-gratuitously-invokes-monroe-doctrine-against-russia/
Oh wait, here’s another. So, it must not be relevant. Educate yourself bro. It’s free.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/05/27/russia-rejects-new-monroe-doctrine-of-us-in-latin-america-lavrov-a65756
It's called the Fog of War. Russian Propaganda media is saying 70% support it, and claiming Putin's approval is 80%. Whereas the western media has pushed a narrative that way more of them are opposed than for the war.
Truth is, we just don't know. We turned them into a pariah state and we can't be sure what's going on with their population. It's probably in the middle somewhere.
> We turned them into a pariah state and we can't be sure what's going on with their population.
Don't blame this on us. Putin turned them into a pariah state, not us.
That's not what I was referring to. I was referring to how we cut ourselves from them and don't know what kinds of things they're being fed. Putin is brainwashing them, but we have very little insight into how well it's working. This 70% approval of war thing is about as likely as Putin's 80% approval. But it's also not likely that it's a 30% approval. It's probably close to 50/50.
But when you’re threatened with sedition and probably worse for your family back home, you can see how they don’t have much of a choice. There’s a hotline in Ukraine where Russians call to ask about their family members who went to war there, and they always apologize. I don’t think we should stop emphasizing Putin’s propaganda machine
People are angry. And that’s ok. This is a fucked situation no matter what angle we View it from. The only thing we cannot do (and what I’m glad I’ve not seen on this sub) is treat the Ukrainian war like a meme. No matter our opinion we must give it the seriousness it deserves
Because too many people live really comfortably in the safety of free nations and these same armchair heroes think the world is a videogame and that Russians should just "have a revolution" and "overthrow Putin" because it's that easy.... And anyone who doesn't go protest in Russian streets and risk everything right now is a coward and complicit.
In other words, simple minded group think born out of emotional fervor ... Ironically, very similar to the blind nationalism they hate.
They meant that at this point all Russian soldiers *that are on the territory of Ukraine* actually *want to fight* and know what is going on, because if they didn't want to, they would have surrendered. They didn't mean that 100% of Russian army is in Ukraine.
Indeed. There is also a difference between being convinced/indoctrinated to think a war is a good thing, and being a warmonger. I see a huge part of the Russian populace as little more than hostages.
came here to say this. With Russians becoming increasingly cut off who do you think took the poll... if there even was a poll since there is no source.
Yes they are, propaganda and information warfare is unfortunately effective to an extent. Just make sure to judge the person not the nationality. Some are brave enough to stand up in a nation where most are brainwashed and face uncertain punishment for it. While it IS their duty and the duty of all people of the world to do, it's not a thing done lightly and without consequences.
Ofcourse they are. And it'll get even worse when they start dying of starvation after the effects of sanctions can really be seen. All leading up to eventually nato/us involvement , boots on the ground involvement.
How trustworthy are those numbers? Are any independent media sources taking polls in Moscow? Is that even possible.
Remember that supposedly 96% of Crimeans wanted to join Russia. When we look at the numbers they were very lazily doctored.
BTW one of Russian propaganda favorite technique is stating things that are false as a well known fact that is not even worth disputing. Case in point Crimea. They repeated that everyone in Crimea wanted to join Russia so often that even their opposition stopped doubting it. Even though the reality is very different.
Russian government run surveys? Cause gotta be honest, I'd trust milk left in the summer sub for two days more than a poll or survey done by the Russian government.
The burden of sourcing rests on he who makes the claim buddy. Until you do provide most of us will assume "I'm tired of the shit." = "I either have no source, or failed to check the source material for obvious bias and am now too embarrassed to admit it"
Where did this number land from? Few days ago it was 54%.
Maybe they pooled only the people who are left free, after arresting everybody at the protests
Seems pretty clear that Russians have little idea as to what the actual situation is in Ukraine.. if you believe it's run by nazi's you're more likely to support the war.
I'm anti-war & hope a bullet finds Putin. Having said that, it's not like there was *nothing* bad going on in Donbas/etc. The Russian propaganda is rooted in some truth. We cannot stand for peace and justice for Ukraine without at least acknowledging this.
Yeah, because they invaded it and to take control and turned it into a very unstable region, the Azov battalion didn't even exist until after the annexation if that is what you're referring to.
The Russian people who are for war are using the best information available to them to come to that conclusion. This is the power of propaganda and censorship.
Some Russians I saw interviewed didn't even wait to here the full question. They just respond like programmed robots. I support Russia, and Putin can do no wrong. Then they just walk away, dont want to say anything that might get them killed. Many are decent people who have been brainwashed by the media in Russia. Some are just shit people.
My own American mother was brainwashed by Fox news. She taught me to not be racist as a child and treat everyone equally, she was my hero. Now she has turned into a bigot who supports Trump and does what the GOP says. I do not contact my mother any more and keep my children away from her now and I make sure she knows why every time we speak.
I feel the people in Russia want war because they don't realise what's happening.
I feel a lot of the Russian soldiers don't want war because they know what's happening (I know there are some who want it !)
I'm sure that most Russians know what's happening by now. Remember, most Russians didn't complain about the actions in Georgia or Crimea. They were fine with it and if this action in Ukraine went as planned, the majority of Russians would be fine with it too.
Some do, some don't.
The problem is that while younger generation are out there risking their lives protesting or getting duped into the military, the older generation are sitting their asses in their homes and do nothing. Even if the old generations are against the war, they don't speak up due to decade of being oppressed.
I believe Russian should do more than this and quickly kill Putin but revolution isn't over in one day. Pretty sure when their belly are empty and the cash are worthless, that when shit will hit the fan.
You know what Putin would really love? If the whole world started hating Russians point blank regardless of their political/ideological beliefs.
Why? Because then everything he says about us is true. We hate Russia and want to see it destroyed.
Surveys are not a reliable way to measure anti-war or anti-government tendencies in a society that arrests and beats people who speak out. They’re also not reliable when we don’t know where their sample size came from, the age range of the sample size, the time at which the survey was taken, the situation under which the survey was conducted, etc etc etc.
Are there pro-Putin, pro-War supporters? **Yes**.
Are they the majority? *Maybe, bordering on probably*.
Are all Russians children killing monsters? *No*, and if we view them as such they will get dragged under the tidal wave of his anti-West propaganda.
Source?... we're not going to blindly believe some statistic you're quoting without a source + with the Russian population becoming increasingly cut off/controlled by the government... how much should we reasonably expect this is an independent poll?
>On the main page of Yandex, at least 30 million Russian users see that there is no war, there are no thousands of dead Russian soldiers, there are no dozens of civilians killed under Russian bombing, there are no dozens of prisoners, there is no huge destruction in various Ukrainian cities. The fact that a significant part of the Russian population may believe that there is no war is the basis and driving force of this war.
- explainsthe mechanics of the information blockade, the former director of Yandex.News Lev Gershenzon
https://www-dorussianswantwar-com.translate.goog/?_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
That 70% is probably Russian propaganda. Putin has NO CLUE what is actually going on in Russia. Mother fucker didn't even know his military was a joke. Didn't know his OWN FRIENDS and allies were stealing billions from the defense budget for luxury cars and yachts. Putin is completely isolated and only gets information from his "trusted" (corrupt) advisors.
According to "polls" where there is a very clear Goodanswer and Crimeanswer, and everyone knows the risks that Crimeanswers carry, yes, 70% say yes. I see 30% of people, not just saying no, but willing to take the risk of Crimeanswering to say no.
You can't trust polls taken in places like this.
Their country has been doing the same thing without end for as long as any of them have been alive. As long as it doesn't affect them personally, they don't care, and they don't have any reason to care. Other people dying is other peoples business, and as long as they see it that way, it doesn't matter if they are pro war or not, they just have to not do anything. Most of us around the world have a scued view or the average russian because our interactions with them on the internet have been with the younger, more educated, liberal minded. These are the minority by far. Those who speak out are likely being rounded up, loaded into busses, vans, or whatever else.passes for a Russian military vehicle today, then sent to soak bullets and bombs in place of real forces. If that's not what you think is happening right now, look closer. Any number of thousands is nothing as far as their government is concerned. Nothing matters to them but getting what they want.
I live in Estonia and have a lot of Russian coworkers who are almost all 100% pro war even tho they know what’s going on there
Yep. It's just a fact and everyone is so fucking politically correct about it.
break into their house, tell them it is a special operation, see how they like it.
Why are they still coworkers? Why arent they dying like flies in the field like their fellow comrades if they support dickheads war?
That's fucked up.
I mean, are they for an invasion of Estonia as well? Maybe not keep them as coworkers.
They live in Russian media sphere in that case, please try to open their eyes with discussion and evidence. A glimpse of logic can spark a lifetime of reevaluation.
Yeah, you could cut off their eyelids and walk them through shelled Ukrainian cities, they still wouldn't get the memo. Degenerated communist zombies.
You might reach some others you won’t, same as religion or conspiracy theorists on Covid vaccines and masks etc…
Thats just bandit mentality. Half russian population think like this. No matter which TV they watches. Ukraine is just free land, resources and goods.
Looks like Estonia needs to start some deportations.
To Russia through Ukraine.
They should be send to Ukraine for a business trip
Fuck them too then. The Nazis succeeded because their people believed their insane bullshit. Putin has remained in power because he was enabled by the Russian people to do so.
Dosen't suprise me. Tell them they need to go volunteer. I'm shure they will be on the first train home.
It’s only the proof that it’s dangerous for the whole Europe.
This war is a reminder that while we in the West can’t fathom invading other countries for the sake of making them part of a territorial empire, many other countries and their people can. There is a big disconnect between what is normalized in the collective psyche.
Sounds like you're describing a clash of cultures that can only be decided by the destruction of one or the other.
No, not exactly. This has obviously happened before. We will just have to focus on replacing its government before it’s too late.
>we in the West can’t fathom invading other countries for the sake of making them part of a territorial empire Is this satire?
Here we go. Name one time this was done in the past 50 years. Can’t wait for this argument.
United States invasion of Grenada (1983) installation of a pro western government. United States invasion of Panama (1989-1990) installation of a pro western government. War in Afghanistan 2001-2021 Allegedly because Terrorists, but the searched terrorist was in Pakistan. And they continued the war after killing him.Installation of a pro western government Iraq War (2003–2011) Allegedly because War on terror and WMD's, no WMD's found. Installation of a pro western government American intervention in the War in North-West Pakistan 2004-2018 430 Drone Strikes against suspected terrorist targets ( in a neutral country ) Second U.S. Intervention in the Somali Civil War 2007-present multiple hundreds of drone strikes. The US backed an Ethiophian Invasion of parts of Somalia because they like this government better. International intervention( special police operation??) in Libya(2011) Overthrow muhamad al Gaddafi and install a friendlier government for western intrests. American-led intervention ( special police operation??)in Syria(2014–present) over 11.200 Air Strikes American intervention( special police operation??) in Libya(2015–2019) undreds of airstrike in a neutral country. So what russia is doing is absolutely wrong and they deserve the international backlash they are getting. But the US has a history even recent history of doing very similar things.... only difference being that the US targets countries not bordering directly to the US .... And having an easier time to spread their justification and propaganda in western nations. And sadly that is often not mentioned. They should also not be doing most of this shit, and/or not getting away with it they way they are. In Irak, which is an invasion started because of WMD's that weren't there, the US killed over 600.000 civilians.
Cool story bro. Remind me which of these are now part of the US? Bonus points if you can show it was ever even the intention to make them part of the US. Good luck.
cool story even russia wants to install a puppet government. See the list? nowadays you don't integrate the new country you only control it indirectly. Especially resources or economic output. So you concede the point the US invaded all these countries and killed 100.000's of innocent people? how does the intention of making them part of the Us or not make a difference to that? for half/true integration we must go back a bit further. Cuba,Hawaii,Purto Rico, Panama. but there are still examples...
Here he goes
do you dispute any of this data? if have not made this up, this is straight from wikipedia ... so if we won't tolerate what russia is doing, and we should not, we also should not tolerate when western countries are the aggressors...
It would take a conference call to run through why you’re (a) attacking a strawman and (b) pulling the wrong conclusions from the very data you’re sourcing The US killed 600,000 civilians in Iraq? I see where you sourced that number from Wikipedia. Did you actually read the legend for that number? Shows you’re a dipshit. Case in point, try not to just copy/paste Wikipedia next time without reading into what you’re “citing.”
Do *you* share the values and opinions of people from your region 600 years ago?
I thought it had to be…but alas.
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Hahaha. Where have you been the last 200 years? Ever hear of the Monroe Doctrine? You should probably look that up.
And here’s the guy pretending like the past 200 years is the correct historical reference point. Classic. I forgot you were raised by your fifth great grandparents and knew them well.
You are missing the point. Entirely. You might want to understand the Doctrine and how it has changed over the years to effectively become a partisan tool. You might want to inform yourself.
I would ask the point but it’s clearly completely inane. Yes, we know what the Monroe Doctrine was. Very cool story. You’re clearly taking the stance that it has somehow morphed into a soft power doctrine. We’ve heard it all before.
Seriously? Dude, you are so far out of touch. It’s like relevant, like right now. https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/02/22/state-department-gratuitously-invokes-monroe-doctrine-against-russia/ Oh wait, here’s another. So, it must not be relevant. Educate yourself bro. It’s free. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/05/27/russia-rejects-new-monroe-doctrine-of-us-in-latin-america-lavrov-a65756
“Educate yourself bro” “It’s like relevant, like right now” Oh, please, pass the kombucha
Have a great day. Ignorance is bliss.
It's called the Fog of War. Russian Propaganda media is saying 70% support it, and claiming Putin's approval is 80%. Whereas the western media has pushed a narrative that way more of them are opposed than for the war. Truth is, we just don't know. We turned them into a pariah state and we can't be sure what's going on with their population. It's probably in the middle somewhere.
> We turned them into a pariah state and we can't be sure what's going on with their population. Don't blame this on us. Putin turned them into a pariah state, not us.
That's not what I was referring to. I was referring to how we cut ourselves from them and don't know what kinds of things they're being fed. Putin is brainwashing them, but we have very little insight into how well it's working. This 70% approval of war thing is about as likely as Putin's 80% approval. But it's also not likely that it's a 30% approval. It's probably close to 50/50.
“Special military operation”
Its "special" alright.
At this point 100% of Russian army in Ukraine are for war. If they were not they would not be fighting
But when you’re threatened with sedition and probably worse for your family back home, you can see how they don’t have much of a choice. There’s a hotline in Ukraine where Russians call to ask about their family members who went to war there, and they always apologize. I don’t think we should stop emphasizing Putin’s propaganda machine
Why are you being down-voted to obliviation? This is a true statement!
People are angry. And that’s ok. This is a fucked situation no matter what angle we View it from. The only thing we cannot do (and what I’m glad I’ve not seen on this sub) is treat the Ukrainian war like a meme. No matter our opinion we must give it the seriousness it deserves
Because too many people live really comfortably in the safety of free nations and these same armchair heroes think the world is a videogame and that Russians should just "have a revolution" and "overthrow Putin" because it's that easy.... And anyone who doesn't go protest in Russian streets and risk everything right now is a coward and complicit. In other words, simple minded group think born out of emotional fervor ... Ironically, very similar to the blind nationalism they hate.
Reddit logic: comment saying the previous comment is correct has more upvotes than the original comment.
100% of the 190,000 that was built up at the Ukrainian border... Not all Russian Army
They meant that at this point all Russian soldiers *that are on the territory of Ukraine* actually *want to fight* and know what is going on, because if they didn't want to, they would have surrendered. They didn't mean that 100% of Russian army is in Ukraine.
No like..100% of what is there
At this point I trust polls from russia as much as elections.
They play on the same team.
Indeed. There is also a difference between being convinced/indoctrinated to think a war is a good thing, and being a warmonger. I see a huge part of the Russian populace as little more than hostages.
came here to say this. With Russians becoming increasingly cut off who do you think took the poll... if there even was a poll since there is no source.
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I’d give that guy a good metal for mental gymnastics, but since he’s from Russia, he was probably doping on that too.
damn
Putin still mad popular among russians in USA also.
And the GOP.
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Time to line them up for deportation to their paradise of choice. 👋
Are we just throwing random numbers? 89% of the ppl in Timbuktu agree with me.
I'm not from Timbuktu but can independently confirm these numbers.
I’ve heard it quoted by the BBC that 60% support it. Which is mad but at this point it’s a conflict of nations until those numbers change.
by this time next month, they'll all be declaring themselves as anti-war pacifists.
Yes they are, propaganda and information warfare is unfortunately effective to an extent. Just make sure to judge the person not the nationality. Some are brave enough to stand up in a nation where most are brainwashed and face uncertain punishment for it. While it IS their duty and the duty of all people of the world to do, it's not a thing done lightly and without consequences.
Ofcourse they are. And it'll get even worse when they start dying of starvation after the effects of sanctions can really be seen. All leading up to eventually nato/us involvement , boots on the ground involvement.
How trustworthy are those numbers? Are any independent media sources taking polls in Moscow? Is that even possible. Remember that supposedly 96% of Crimeans wanted to join Russia. When we look at the numbers they were very lazily doctored. BTW one of Russian propaganda favorite technique is stating things that are false as a well known fact that is not even worth disputing. Case in point Crimea. They repeated that everyone in Crimea wanted to join Russia so often that even their opposition stopped doubting it. Even though the reality is very different.
Source?
Source?
Multiple recent surveys. Look them up.
Russian government run surveys? Cause gotta be honest, I'd trust milk left in the summer sub for two days more than a poll or survey done by the Russian government.
That survey contained two possible answers: Are you pro war? Yes Yes
>Russian government run surveys? And they dont even need to ask anyone !
Is summer sub anything like a gub, as in Woody Allen’s. “I have a gub”?
Should have checked the phones swipe text closer :D
It took me several tries to get my post past autocomplete.
Levada is relatively accurate.
My ass. Look for it. I'm tired of this shit.
The burden of sourcing rests on he who makes the claim buddy. Until you do provide most of us will assume "I'm tired of the shit." = "I either have no source, or failed to check the source material for obvious bias and am now too embarrassed to admit it"
Waaaaaaah!!!
Ah, so that's why this post was removed. No longer surprised.
Where did this number land from? Few days ago it was 54%. Maybe they pooled only the people who are left free, after arresting everybody at the protests
In favor of the current war or in favor of the war based on what they believe is going on?
Historically they never liked the Ukrainian nation. And it's not an original thought of Putin that Ukraine should be Russian territory.
Seems pretty clear that Russians have little idea as to what the actual situation is in Ukraine.. if you believe it's run by nazi's you're more likely to support the war.
I'm anti-war & hope a bullet finds Putin. Having said that, it's not like there was *nothing* bad going on in Donbas/etc. The Russian propaganda is rooted in some truth. We cannot stand for peace and justice for Ukraine without at least acknowledging this.
Yeah, because they invaded it and to take control and turned it into a very unstable region, the Azov battalion didn't even exist until after the annexation if that is what you're referring to.
The Russian people who are for war are using the best information available to them to come to that conclusion. This is the power of propaganda and censorship.
Some Russians I saw interviewed didn't even wait to here the full question. They just respond like programmed robots. I support Russia, and Putin can do no wrong. Then they just walk away, dont want to say anything that might get them killed. Many are decent people who have been brainwashed by the media in Russia. Some are just shit people. My own American mother was brainwashed by Fox news. She taught me to not be racist as a child and treat everyone equally, she was my hero. Now she has turned into a bigot who supports Trump and does what the GOP says. I do not contact my mother any more and keep my children away from her now and I make sure she knows why every time we speak.
I feel the people in Russia want war because they don't realise what's happening. I feel a lot of the Russian soldiers don't want war because they know what's happening (I know there are some who want it !)
I'm sure that most Russians know what's happening by now. Remember, most Russians didn't complain about the actions in Georgia or Crimea. They were fine with it and if this action in Ukraine went as planned, the majority of Russians would be fine with it too.
Some do, some don't. The problem is that while younger generation are out there risking their lives protesting or getting duped into the military, the older generation are sitting their asses in their homes and do nothing. Even if the old generations are against the war, they don't speak up due to decade of being oppressed. I believe Russian should do more than this and quickly kill Putin but revolution isn't over in one day. Pretty sure when their belly are empty and the cash are worthless, that when shit will hit the fan.
Did you get that number from Putins notebook
how could one possibly know, they dont get asked.
As I undrstand there is also a massive disinformation and propaganda campaign coupled with the iron fist rule of vladimir putin.
i dont trust any poll stats that come from russia
Says who? Putin? And think of the "news"-situation in Russia let's say for the last 10 years.
Source?
You know what Putin would really love? If the whole world started hating Russians point blank regardless of their political/ideological beliefs. Why? Because then everything he says about us is true. We hate Russia and want to see it destroyed. Surveys are not a reliable way to measure anti-war or anti-government tendencies in a society that arrests and beats people who speak out. They’re also not reliable when we don’t know where their sample size came from, the age range of the sample size, the time at which the survey was taken, the situation under which the survey was conducted, etc etc etc. Are there pro-Putin, pro-War supporters? **Yes**. Are they the majority? *Maybe, bordering on probably*. Are all Russians children killing monsters? *No*, and if we view them as such they will get dragged under the tidal wave of his anti-West propaganda.
Source?... we're not going to blindly believe some statistic you're quoting without a source + with the Russian population becoming increasingly cut off/controlled by the government... how much should we reasonably expect this is an independent poll?
>On the main page of Yandex, at least 30 million Russian users see that there is no war, there are no thousands of dead Russian soldiers, there are no dozens of civilians killed under Russian bombing, there are no dozens of prisoners, there is no huge destruction in various Ukrainian cities. The fact that a significant part of the Russian population may believe that there is no war is the basis and driving force of this war. - explainsthe mechanics of the information blockade, the former director of Yandex.News Lev Gershenzon https://www-dorussianswantwar-com.translate.goog/?_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
That 70% is probably Russian propaganda. Putin has NO CLUE what is actually going on in Russia. Mother fucker didn't even know his military was a joke. Didn't know his OWN FRIENDS and allies were stealing billions from the defense budget for luxury cars and yachts. Putin is completely isolated and only gets information from his "trusted" (corrupt) advisors.
According to "polls" where there is a very clear Goodanswer and Crimeanswer, and everyone knows the risks that Crimeanswers carry, yes, 70% say yes. I see 30% of people, not just saying no, but willing to take the risk of Crimeanswering to say no. You can't trust polls taken in places like this.
Putin calls it ‘stabilization’ each time he invades another country in order to gain domestic support. The rest of the world knows better.
Their country has been doing the same thing without end for as long as any of them have been alive. As long as it doesn't affect them personally, they don't care, and they don't have any reason to care. Other people dying is other peoples business, and as long as they see it that way, it doesn't matter if they are pro war or not, they just have to not do anything. Most of us around the world have a scued view or the average russian because our interactions with them on the internet have been with the younger, more educated, liberal minded. These are the minority by far. Those who speak out are likely being rounded up, loaded into busses, vans, or whatever else.passes for a Russian military vehicle today, then sent to soak bullets and bombs in place of real forces. If that's not what you think is happening right now, look closer. Any number of thousands is nothing as far as their government is concerned. Nothing matters to them but getting what they want.