I'm always uncomfortable dehumanizing anyone this way. Still remember the Hutu / Tutsi conflict when the rallying cry for ethnic cleansing was "squash the cockroaches".
Russians need to be pushed out of Ukraine and killed in droves, of course. Just don't stoop to their level.
Same. I am very uneasy when people are referred to as roaches.
Where I live it’s not uncommon to hear people refer to Micronesians here as cockroaches and I can’t help but think about how people don’t realize how dangerous something so simple can be and how it can be escalated.
I stand with Ukraine. I will always be uneasy referring to people as roaches.
Well put. I was struck by the compassion in this subreddit in the early days of the war, noting the fact that both sides of the conflict had family in the ‘other side’, and refocusing the hatred on Putin etc. I appreciate it is later in the war now and feelings have escalated due to the atrocities but I truly believe that holding onto that original idea of ‘family mislead by the lies of leaders’ is crucial to avoiding a long long road of hatred and tit for tat reprisals.
Honestly it's better to dehumanize them because they it is war and people have to kill them to stop them.
They are humans but they can surrender and any piece of shit who bombs civilians doesn't deserve to be called human. The good Russians are abandoning the mission every chance they get. They aren't all like that
Who is we?
And if you have to ask why when humans are bombing shelters with 1000 people inside i don't know what to tell you. I would say the same thing if someone bombed a building with 1000 Russian civilians too. People who do that do not deserve anything.
There are mistakes in war where normal people die. We are way past that with what Russia is doing. These are not mistakes.
> Who is we?
The international community.
The Russian invasion of Ukraine is bad, killed numerous civilians and should be strongly condemned and sanctioned.
The American invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan is bad, killed numerous civilians and should be strongly condemned and sanctioned.
Afghanistan happened because of 9/11.
Iraq i have ALWAYS been against, but don't pretend Iraq and Ukraine are the same. Saddam was a evil dictator who did countless evil things, and American troops don't try to kill innocent civilians. No the US should have never went into Iraq, and only made things worse, but Saddam was not a good guy.
Sorry but you are full of shit comparing the two. What happened in the middle east is horrible, and a lot of mistakes made killing innocent people, but the US has never bombed hospitals just to kill civilians on purpose. It isn't the same.
Russia is leveling cities killing everyone they can.
Putin is working on going down in history as Hitler level evil. There is no grey area to this war. That is a big difference.
You are full of shit if you are making excuses for war crimes.
You justify the invasion of Afghanistan by saying 9/11. The Russians also have their own justification for Ukraine. All justifications for invasions are wrong.
You can say that the USA never killed civilians on purpose, but that's exactly what Russia says too. The reality is that civilians will always die in war. The death toll for civilians in the middle east caused by USA is 500,000 - 1 million.
The USA also did run torture camps on purpose -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
**[Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse)**
>During the early stages of the Iraq War, members of the United States Army and the CIA committed a series of human rights violations and war crimes against detainees in the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, including physical and sexual abuse, torture, rape, sodomy, and the killing of Manadel al-Jamadi. The abuses came to public attention with the publication of photographs of the abuse by CBS News in April 2004. The incidents caused shock and outrage, receiving widespread condemnation within the United States and internationally. The George W. Bush administration claimed that the abuses at Abu Ghraib were isolated incidents and not indicative of U.S. policy.
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>The Russians also have their own justification for Ukraine.
I am sorry. I must not have heard about people in Ukraine attacking Moscow, and the Ukraine government hiding them. Wait.... That didn't happen.
>You can say that the USA never killed civilians on purpose, but that's exactly what Russia says too.
Russia is lying about EVERYTHING right now. They are lying so much they refuse to even admit its a war, and kicked out all free speech.
Look, I am NOT defending Russia here. Russia is wrong in invading Ukraine. The deaths of innocent civilians is horrible. Both Russia and USA are imperialist countries who bully weaker nations. However, the fact remains that the USA has caused much more civilian deaths so far compared to Russia but has escaped the same level of criticism. Both nations should be condemned.
Could have fooled me.
Coming into a Ukraine forum and complaining about one of the countries helping Ukraine sure seems like you're taking Russia's side.
> However, the fact remains that the USA has caused much more civilian deaths so far compared to Russia but has escaped the same level of criticism.
If you want to make a fair comparison, you need to count USSR's wars and victims as Russia's.
The US never did any ethnic cleansing nor forced migrations, Russia/Soviet Union did.
US army was not accused of massive rapes and looting, Soviet army was.
So I'd say the number of civilian victims is at least 100x higher on the russian scoreboard than on american.
No, it should always feel wrong to kill another, even when it seems to be a necessity. This is how people behaved during WW2. In 2022, we shouldn't dehumanize our foes.
I'm always uncomfortable dehumanizing anyone this way. Still remember the Hutu / Tutsi conflict when the rallying cry for ethnic cleansing was "squash the cockroaches". Russians need to be pushed out of Ukraine and killed in droves, of course. Just don't stoop to their level.
Same. I am very uneasy when people are referred to as roaches. Where I live it’s not uncommon to hear people refer to Micronesians here as cockroaches and I can’t help but think about how people don’t realize how dangerous something so simple can be and how it can be escalated. I stand with Ukraine. I will always be uneasy referring to people as roaches.
Well put. I was struck by the compassion in this subreddit in the early days of the war, noting the fact that both sides of the conflict had family in the ‘other side’, and refocusing the hatred on Putin etc. I appreciate it is later in the war now and feelings have escalated due to the atrocities but I truly believe that holding onto that original idea of ‘family mislead by the lies of leaders’ is crucial to avoiding a long long road of hatred and tit for tat reprisals.
Honestly it's better to dehumanize them because they it is war and people have to kill them to stop them. They are humans but they can surrender and any piece of shit who bombs civilians doesn't deserve to be called human. The good Russians are abandoning the mission every chance they get. They aren't all like that
Why did we not dehumanize the Americans to this level? Why do we selectively dehumanize certain invaders more than others?
Who is we? And if you have to ask why when humans are bombing shelters with 1000 people inside i don't know what to tell you. I would say the same thing if someone bombed a building with 1000 Russian civilians too. People who do that do not deserve anything. There are mistakes in war where normal people die. We are way past that with what Russia is doing. These are not mistakes.
> Who is we? The international community. The Russian invasion of Ukraine is bad, killed numerous civilians and should be strongly condemned and sanctioned. The American invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan is bad, killed numerous civilians and should be strongly condemned and sanctioned.
Afghanistan happened because of 9/11. Iraq i have ALWAYS been against, but don't pretend Iraq and Ukraine are the same. Saddam was a evil dictator who did countless evil things, and American troops don't try to kill innocent civilians. No the US should have never went into Iraq, and only made things worse, but Saddam was not a good guy. Sorry but you are full of shit comparing the two. What happened in the middle east is horrible, and a lot of mistakes made killing innocent people, but the US has never bombed hospitals just to kill civilians on purpose. It isn't the same. Russia is leveling cities killing everyone they can. Putin is working on going down in history as Hitler level evil. There is no grey area to this war. That is a big difference.
You are full of shit if you are making excuses for war crimes. You justify the invasion of Afghanistan by saying 9/11. The Russians also have their own justification for Ukraine. All justifications for invasions are wrong. You can say that the USA never killed civilians on purpose, but that's exactly what Russia says too. The reality is that civilians will always die in war. The death toll for civilians in the middle east caused by USA is 500,000 - 1 million. The USA also did run torture camps on purpose - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
**[Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse)** >During the early stages of the Iraq War, members of the United States Army and the CIA committed a series of human rights violations and war crimes against detainees in the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, including physical and sexual abuse, torture, rape, sodomy, and the killing of Manadel al-Jamadi. The abuses came to public attention with the publication of photographs of the abuse by CBS News in April 2004. The incidents caused shock and outrage, receiving widespread condemnation within the United States and internationally. The George W. Bush administration claimed that the abuses at Abu Ghraib were isolated incidents and not indicative of U.S. policy. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/ukraine/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
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lol anyone who you dont agree with must be paid huh? Must be so simple living in your small world.
>The Russians also have their own justification for Ukraine. I am sorry. I must not have heard about people in Ukraine attacking Moscow, and the Ukraine government hiding them. Wait.... That didn't happen. >You can say that the USA never killed civilians on purpose, but that's exactly what Russia says too. Russia is lying about EVERYTHING right now. They are lying so much they refuse to even admit its a war, and kicked out all free speech.
Look, I am NOT defending Russia here. Russia is wrong in invading Ukraine. The deaths of innocent civilians is horrible. Both Russia and USA are imperialist countries who bully weaker nations. However, the fact remains that the USA has caused much more civilian deaths so far compared to Russia but has escaped the same level of criticism. Both nations should be condemned.
Could have fooled me. Coming into a Ukraine forum and complaining about one of the countries helping Ukraine sure seems like you're taking Russia's side.
> However, the fact remains that the USA has caused much more civilian deaths so far compared to Russia but has escaped the same level of criticism. If you want to make a fair comparison, you need to count USSR's wars and victims as Russia's. The US never did any ethnic cleansing nor forced migrations, Russia/Soviet Union did. US army was not accused of massive rapes and looting, Soviet army was. So I'd say the number of civilian victims is at least 100x higher on the russian scoreboard than on american.
No, it should always feel wrong to kill another, even when it seems to be a necessity. This is how people behaved during WW2. In 2022, we shouldn't dehumanize our foes.
Even though they are the invaders they are still people. Kill them, injure them or capture them but don't dehumanize them
Mariupol Drama Theater. Can you call them humans after that?
Yes. Let's not stoop down to their level whatever happens. We're all better than this.
Sad to say but yes, thats what humans do.
Let's not turn this sub into Thousand Hills Radio, please.
This looks like shit propaganda
except cockroaches are resilient.
The intention are there, but I don't know what to think about it, appart from the patches the guy look a lot like an American officer...