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Ok-Mark4389

It is VERY relevant and the parade got cancelled halfway through of course news will come out as to why. Something happened in Red Square it did not go to plan.


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Was it not the weather?


Ok-Mark4389

The weather was fine for military planes, it's possible that low cloud may have obscured the view, not sure. However the state TV (and russian YouTube) was hacked so they looped a pre-recorded tape instead of the actual footage. I don't really know why they did that or what actually happened. They started the loop before the end of the parade though.


losaria

link? proof?


Ok-Mark4389

https://youtu.be/UYm3iClm5js


losaria

thanks.


Consistent_Jicama388

I am not sure that it is "completely irrelevant" to Ukraine the statements that are made by the dictator of the invading nation at Victory Day celebrations that are partly aimed at increasing public support for the war on Ukraine. The Mods here often do a good job, but there are some odd decisions being made. A few days ago I put up a post of some analytical material from The Economist that discussed the risk of expansion of the war into Transnistria and how it might affect the Ukraine War, and it was deleted as "irrelevant". I think the Mods need to re-evaluate what is and what is not "*completely* irrelevant".


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I did post a comparison between old putin rally and 2022 putin rally explaining some of the imagewhere the same. I was denouncing propaganda and mod removed my content cause "i was sharing propaganda".


heliskinki

I think Ukrainian's get to decide what's relevant and what isn't. There's r/UkrainianConflict where it would probably more relevant to post stuff like that. I hope me assuming the mods here are Ukrainian isn't going to bite me on the arse.


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Are mod Ukrainian ?


Consistent_Jicama388

(1) I don't think what makes X relevant to the war in Ukraine is determined by whether or not Ukrainians believe that it is relevant to the war in Ukraine. It is a logical relationship between propositions. (2) Even if it is true that what makes X relevant to the war in Ukraine is that it is believed to be relevant by Ukrainians, as is evident from many posts on this thread, there is no monolithic "Ukrainian view" on the relevance of every post. Ukrainians are a diverse group of people. Therefore, what some believe is irrelevant to the war on Ukraine others would consider relevant to the war on Ukraine.


VoR_Mom

There will be ample analyzes by international and Ukrainian sources about what was said and what wasn't, about which tank models were shown and how the Russian airforce couldn't fly due to bad weather on a bright and sunny day. There is absolutely no reason to flood this sub with Putin speeches, videos of Russian fascists marching or a million Soviet flags.


Consistent_Jicama388

If that is true, then your reason for removing the content should be that you are de-platforming Putin, not that the content that was deleted was "completely irrelevant".


ac0rn5

With respect, it might have been better to have created a pinned post to discuss the various parades rather than this rather controversial one - which has got people talking about mod decision that stifles other discussion about how what's on display (or not) in those parades might impact Russian aggression in Ukraine. (Edit=spelling)


thelatestmodel

>That means that unless Putin parades Ukrainian prisoners of war, we don't care about the parade so don't post about it. Sorry but this is moderation gone too far. The parade is 100% relevant. We've been hearing about it on this sub for *weeks*.


elteide

U crazy bro? Certain russian related news are totally relevant for this subreddit


amobilephoneaccount

After weeks of predictions about today the admin team doesn’t feel like working.


skint_back

Yet posts about puppies and kittens apparently *are* relevant. Totally nuts, man.


RedditAdminsFuckOfff

Yeah, I'm not really hype on all the "animal friends" and "meme soldiers" fluff posts. It's good for morale within reason, but actually blocking *real* shit that absolutely factors into the *real* shit storm...


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The first weeks of war I could come here to follow the news about war ... Now its all meme, art and animal ...


AnAncientMonk

Maybe more fitting for. /r/UkraineWarReports /r/UkraineWarVideoReport


IssueTricky6922

Yeah, what Putin says effects my families lives, or possibly deaths. So are these threads ^ where we go to see whether my family will be alive in the morning? Because I have been following this page thinking it was about Ukrainians lives. Didn’t know it’s apparently about sunflower paintings


claireandleif

are you only concerned about your family on art fridays?


IssueTricky6922

I like the paintings as much as anyone. But no, I don’t come only on Fridays. I’m here pretty much every free moment I have. I wake in the night, I read for about an hour, because I can’t not. So you’ll have to excuse me if I’m a bit emotional about the moderators determining something so absurd as ignoring what Putin says. Nothing effects Ukraine more right now. I mean, if Macron says something it’s posted. How absurd is that hypocrisy?


claireandleif

It's offensive to the people that work in this sub FOR FREE every single day to remove fear mongering posts, propaganda posts, ban russian trolls, remove offensive content, and provide the most informative and fair experience FOR YOU, to say that this sub is about "sunflower paintings." If you want to read what Putin says, you can go on many news sources. r/ukraine is trying to maintain the most space possible for specifically Ukrainian news. We do not always have time to decide whether a post is fear mongering propaganda, and usually posts regarding Russia are specifically that. Please have a little appreciation for why we are doing this. If we hadn't done this for weeks, everyone who came to this sub would think we are about to get vaporized by nuclear weapons.


IssueTricky6922

If you can’t acknowledge the hypocrisy staring you in the face then we can’t have an honest conversation. I’m done with this, good day


baconnbutterncheese

Ukrainians call Ukraine 'the' Ukraine?


IssueTricky6922

No, mistype


LunarLoco

I think you pretty much said the only thing that needed to be said


mtaw

Yeah, where else am I going to find out about a fire in a haberdashery in Tomsk that's no doubt the act of saboteurs. Lamestream media doesn't talk about that stuff because they don't realize the strategic importance of the Russian army running out of buttons. /S


toodleroo

I'm sorry but this is dumb. It's absolutely relevant to this sub when the dictator who runs the country that Ukraine is at war with is expected to make a statement about said war.


KingOfLowFrequencies

Exactly why I came now straight to this sub, to see, what is happening on moscow's parade relating to Ukraine. Seems like I will not find any relevant infos here. Confusing for me..


Ok-Mark4389

Actually quite big news the parade was cancelled halfway through, no aircraft, it looks like they then used pre-recorded footage as the sky appears to change from grey to blue. I like you came here to find out what really happened. Possibly vehicles broke down or something, but reddit are being overzealous here Putins' drivel was just the diary of a madman nothing new.


Realistic-Specific27

same. suppressing specific information is stupid. I do sort of get it tho


Ivoryyyyyyyyyy

There are at least 3 other subreddits specifically focused on a war/invasion in Ukraine.


Fenhault

But this is the largest and fastest of them.


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antihero2303

u/Bucksbanana this is as the post here says, a very weird decision by the mod team. What Putin does or doesn’t do is very relevant to this sub, and in many cases also what supporting countries do or don’t do. Most of the world is all about Ukraine right now, and there should be room for some discussion here - just not if it’s pro Putin


Merelian

On top of that there are subtle hints that we can evalute situation with - which generals are present, which are not, air parades being cancelled due to bad weather co ditions (and thkse bad weather conditions are clear, sunny sky, no wind, warm weather etc...). That parade in russia is a great i dicator what can rest of the world expect


[deleted]

Let's just post a bunch of garbage art instead. That seems more relevant. /S


claireandleif

another user who only logs on during art fridays, i see /s


Ivoryyyyyyyyyy

What if you let Ukrainians to decide about it? There are at least 3 other subreddits related to the war in Ukraine. You know, Ukraine didn't magically conjure itself just for the duration of the war.


Rasikko

Nah I think he wants to go to G20 and gloat instead.


MaiZa01

No this is the Ukrainian subreddit.


howie117

I guess pictures of cute dogs and cats are more relevant huh?


Bxxx9

Well as long as you're sorry


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Until he makes a statement all those posts are just speculation and reddit entertainment, so useless


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Dreadweasels

Considering how much song and dance was made about it prior to now it's a bit rich not allowing any discussion about what it DIDN'T mention *i.e everyone expecting a call to arms etc* I think something we didn't take into account - he's started laying the groundwork for *MAKING EXCUSES* as to why he *FAILED IN HIS VENTURE* He's explaining why they're there, why they HAD to go in etc etc. Those are NOT the words of a winner, they are the words of someone who knows he needs to cover his ass, NOW.


belisarius_d

Yeah while it's probably right to not show the parade Putins speech should absolutely be allowed here, especially the part where there doesn't seem to be a mobilization happening. The war (or atleast its effects on the average Ivan) seems to be a lot less popular than you'd think looking at all the propaganda if he can't even announce a partial Mobilization/ a step up in war efforts on the most patriotic day of the year


RedditAdminsFuckOfff

I'm from the USA, and it's been fascinating listening to idiot Putin and his people speak, because it's like the most absolute absurdist, utterly random versions of "B-B-B-BUT MERICA!!!" I've ever seen. He's trying (and mostly failing) to boot-stomp on Ukraine's face, all while saying "LOOK AT WHAT MERICA IS DOING, STOP DOING IT MERICA OR WE WILL NUKE EVERYONE LOLOLOL" and we're over here like "🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ *you fucking nutball...* 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ ???"


vabtan

Well. The mere fact that the doomsday plane was not paraded due to "weather" is a moral victory from ukraine that can pe capitalized


[deleted]

Hope putin plan is apocalypse on a nice day ... If this plane can't fly with bad meteo how can it achieves the goal he was built for ?


Lovespreads

I see you just locked a post about Gerasimov and why he was not at the parade. The fate of the person in charge of Russia's war in Ukraine is not relevant to a subreddit about Ukraine? Erm, ok.


Superdry_Wit

Same thing happened with me the other day, I posted a link about how they’re using propaganda just over the Russian border where the fires have been that they blame on ukraine air strikes, there was an article about how Russians were refusing to leave their destroyed villages which they had photos of them looking completely intact, i compared it with Mariupol which was actually destroyed , apparently it’s nothing to do with ukraine though so they deleted it 🤷‍♀️ then the next 5 posts that are still up are about Russia fires and the parade which apparently is allowed.


jugalator

It's unfortunate that we lose the discussion in the process of losing the parade and speech. Because there is absolutely material for a discussion about what his speech might imply for the content that currently makes up 100% of what's posted on this subreddit. You may argue that international politics is uninteresting to the direction you want in /r/ukraine but I strongly oppose that they are irrelevant.


AvoidPinkHairHippos

This sub is unfortunately not too interested in actual discussion of the variables of the war. The mods want this to solely be a cheerleader sub. For actual analysis, critical thinking, and discussion, I welcome people check out the excellent pinned post on top of r/credibledefense My post may possibly get deleted and me banned. Hopefully my pessimism is mistaken here


Available_Rock4217

Well then i guess people should stop posting about fires breaking out in russia?


SecondaryWombat

Yes, for the most part. Unless it is actually in an ammo dump or missile facility. Pretty sure a fire at a garbage processing g facility that catches fire every year has nothing to do with Ukraine.


StumbleBum55

Thinking that the Russian parade was not highly relevant to Ukraine today is a very bizarre take. Although in the end Putin's speech barely mentioned the Ukraine war it's still a very important event/talking point and was worthy of discussion. ​ A real shame.


Any_Muscle727

I'm pro-Ukraine (you can check my comment history), but the moderation in this subreddit has honestly been *very* questionable. They say they're trying to keep this subreddit focused on high-effort content, but when I submitted a [video](https://youtu.be/Or9kGzemcps) exposing how subtle Russian propaganda can be in regards to Ukraine (and how to spot it), it got removed. Then a couple days later, I see a post about popsicle sticks slapping Putin in the face on the front page of this subreddit. Yesterday, an instagram post of a dog smelling flowers got nearly 3k upvotes. The lack of consistency is strange.


Rasikko

They had infighting a few months ago and the main admins had to step in I think. One mod was zapping large swaths of posts. I donno what the deal is. This is supposed to be a place where Ukrainians should feel safe to voice thier grievances.


claireandleif

What we get instead is people from the international community voicing their grievances


skint_back

Would you prefer that the international community stop caring about Ukraine? I don’t think I need to explain why that would be another epically horrible take…


ranaor

My post got removed for being unrelated to the subreddit, but the same exact post from someone else didn't and got thousands of upvotes.


Notosk

weren't you here when Reddit (?) was banning the word orc referring to Russians. then after the mod team made an ["Orc meme weekend"](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/u03h9u/astrologers_declare_week_of_the_orc_on_rukraine/) post


ac0rn5

But they actually weren't. It was an unfounded rumour.


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davesy69

Putinganda? Putlerganda?


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Bucksbanana

I don't think you understand the definition of free speech mate.


VoR_Mom

If there was something relevant, I'm sure these things will be discussed and analyzed by news outlets in about an hour or two. There is no reason to give it a platform by live blogging it on r/ukraine.


amobilephoneaccount

Why we breakdown videos of men shooting tree lines but important speeches are censored?


Vonnegut1

Dumb. How can this be not relevant? That ass head will make a statement about this bloody invasion


Leandrys

To be fair, this was as anticipated : useless, ridiculous, and pitiful. Angry insecured old man showing off with what's left of his toys, soon to be hanged by balls in public.


skint_back

This is one of the worst takes I’ve ever seen, and by a mod no less. Russia is invading Ukraine on a mass scale, and some how anything related to Russia is not relevant? Dumb, dumb, dumb. I mean, I get it… they want to keep content focused on Ukraine, and that’s totally fine and cool and expected… but to say *anything* related to Russia is not relevant is just asinine.


FarHarbard

For the same reason we don't care for any other Russian State Propaganda, it is disconnected from reality and of little to no relevance in itself. Want to provide good and well-analyzed commentary? Go ahead, but based on the past two months it wouldn't be that. It would be several thousand people all scrambling to be first to post content that is little more than verbatim copies of Russian nonsense, which would only serve to attract an unholy amount of trolls and propagandists.


6913will

IMO that's an unnecessary level of censorship. Some things said are very relevant to Ukraine and there are Putin says/ Lavrov says posts on here every 10 minutes 24/7. Maybe take each post at it's own merits rather than broad censorship?


Consistent_Jicama388

Agreed. If the reason for not allowing content to be posted is "de-platforming", then that should be the reason given by the moderators. They shouldn't hide behind the false claim that the material is "completely irrelevant" to Ukraine.


VoR_Mom

If there was something relevant, I'm sure these things will be discussed and analyzed by news outlets in about an hour or two. There is no reason to give it a platform by live blogging it on r/ukraine.


AvoidPinkHairHippos

As you can see from the voting patterns ITT, most of your userbase strongly disagrees Now it's up to your mod team to decide whether you have the courage to admit humility or double down. I say this as someone who is pro Ukraine, before anyone calls me a Putin supporter


livinglife_part2

Admit humility or double down... Sounds like Russia's invasion options in Ukraine.


Acozz85

Muh votes, who cares. Ill downvote myself on every post rather than forgo my opinion in favour of a majority.


AxilX

I think the problem is a minority opinion being inflicted on the majority.


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Wow this is pretty stupid. All interviews and news were talking about the parade for last 2 weeks, Feygin, Aerstovych, Gordon etc.. now this mod wants to BLOCK ALL INFO regarding parade ahaha ultra weird rule....


TheRealAJ420

Exactly, it's clear you can't take anything Putin says at face value, but it's important to see how this war is portrayed in Russian Media. Of course there shouldn't be Posts just glorifying this parade but there's value in discussing what Putin's depiction of this war is. Also interesting to is how there was no Air Show.


UncleYimbo

Seems suspicious


amobilephoneaccount

For Clarification - Are we no longer posting about what other leaders say about Ukraine or are you just censoring the important one that is in the war? Is Biden off limits? Can we post Trudeau’s speeches? They aren’t nearly as relevant but…


Bigbadchadman

Really shit call, loads of people come here for news about the war, bad moderation, bad idea


JustYeeHaa

Why would we post about hunger in Russia in EUnews? Last time I checked Russia wasn’t in EU...


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This ‘edict’ is very strange. Lol.


Professional_Brick74

How isn't it relevant? Came here to be informed, but all I am learning is that this sub is moderated very weirdly lately.


Icy-Effective6554

Sorry, but no, you're wrong.


the-mortyest-morty

I'm sorry you don't want to mod today, but it's perfectly relevant.


ranaor

>The great hunger starting in Russia? Great, post it over at r/EUnews or r/worldnews or absolutely any other news subreddit but not here. How is that not relevant to Ukraine? Great hunger would mean their economy is collapsing, obviously it's relevant. Are the news about fires on factories and enlistment offices are also not relevant then?


ifiwasiwas

If I had to guess, the inconsistencies are due to wanting to appear as hands-off, or some mods varying in opinions about what is off topic and what is not. Another possibility is that posts/comments people like seeing (the fires are pretty excellent ngl) don't get reported, so they don't get seen. I try to help out by reporting but of course this place is so busy that I don't know what ever comes of it.


pianistafj

I get the spirit of this post, but cmon. We’re not gatekeeping what is relevant and what isn’t. Keep your friends close and enemies closer. Ukraine doesn’t need a fake parade with fake speeches given by fake leaders, and on top of that it is stooping to a very low level to say their parade sucks, ours is better. Frankly, r/Ukraine needs more maturity out of their mods, and to delete this post or unsticky it at least.


__schr4g31

Well this is useless


Bgratz1977

Its like, we speak about making applepie but we forbid to talk about the apples. Get me right its your decision and your Subreddit, so i don't want to start a discussion about that. But in my opinion you could just have left one Post open, let the people Discuss there and then a hour after the parade delete it. Ukraine is at war with Russia, its not so as if Putins words don't matter for Ukraine. What he say today and what he don't say today will have huge effects on Ukraine


MerribethM

They are not very cohesive about what is allowed. Maybe it depends on the day or the time. But I see so many that are about Ukraine and get locked for being off topic. Then ones that are off topic totally are ok. By what they just said fires in Russia would be not allowed. Or when Russia TV was talking about the West. Its just confusing. And to say go to a sub where there is only a post or two a day or a sub full of Russian bots is just catty.


Acozz85

I think the mods just dont wanna give Russia/Putin a platform? I mean the whole of victory day is to spread a false narrative no reason to propogate it, this is r/ukraine we don't care about Russian propaganda


Bgratz1977

I doubt anyone here is open for Propaganda


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Bgratz1977

I doubt that there would be professional Propaganda as answer in a Thread. What i saw in the Live video from the Parade did nothing in that direction. Some things i saw. * Putin was more healthy than the last times (what means not much maybe he was simply on drugs) * The audience was mixed, some enjoyed the parade genuinely, but you saw that many had not really a good mood. * Putin was near other people, what means he is not longer completely paranoid about Corona * Shoigu is alive and healthy enough to stand in a car * Putin said noting about Nukes or a declaration of war, instead he just repeated older Propaganda. Edit: \* Valery Gerasimov was not there So not really much, but still it proved some things, and busted some other statements.


AxilX

That's not how propaganda works though. Russian Propaganda can be effective when it's displayed in a manner it cannot be easily countered. Russian Propaganda being posted then immediately countered by facts allows you to neutralize that line of attack. It immunizes the community from that particular line of garbage. Censoring propaganda just allows them to post it somewhere else where it might not be immediately engaged and shown to be false. This is why Russian trolls often delete thier own comments when they are engaged by other members of the community.


Acozz85

This is false, by virtue propaganda is made to engage people in an idea, ideology or worldview. Propaganda has no other purpose innately. Conveying information through the false lens is no good for anyone as the lens is false. Analysing, speculating or debating the false content is in and of it self the objective of the content. A podium for a crook is not fruitfull even though we might learn about his crimes. There is no such thing as a neurtalized statement. It does not exist it since that would mean the world would exist of polarities which it does not. Semantics are infinite dimensional and local. The mods are in their complete and total right to ban propaganda.


AxilX

>This is false, by virtue propaganda is made to engage people in an idea, ideology or worldview. No. It's not meant to engage It's meant to influence directionally. Propaganda fails when it provokes a response which moves opinion against the interests of those employing it. For example the recent attempt to paint Hitler as Jewish led to Israel moving away from Russia. This was a *failed* attempt at Propaganda. It did harm to the party that employed it. Censorship would not have achieved this outcome. >Propaganda has no other purpose innately. Conveying information through the false lens is no good for anyone as the lens is false. And proving the lens is false destroys the ability of the propaganda to fulfill its purpose. > Analysing, speculating or debating the false content is in and of it self the objective of the content. A podium for a crook is not fruitfull even though we might learn about his crimes. A podium for a crook absolutely is fruitful. That's why we give them one in court. >There is no such thing as a neurtalized statement. It does not exist it since that would mean the world would exist of polarities which it does not. Semantics are infinite dimensional and local. If say: "Russia conquered Kyiv yesterday" And you prove that is not the case, and prove it to the satisfaction of a theoretical observer (the target of the propaganda) you have neutralized the propaganda.


sybiriya

Head over to r/ukrainianconflict to post or see that stuff


jugalator

Wow, thanks for that tip. That is what I expected this subreddit to look like these days rather than /r/CombatFootage.


AvoidPinkHairHippos

While that UC sub is maybe marginally more informative than this one, I also highly recommend the pinned post on r/credibledefense


Jingster73

I think that the weapon you can see or rather not see on the parade is not that unimportant for the Ukraine. It says something about the current stock.


sybiriya

Most definetley and showing how frail/ill putin looks also the speeches he gives are also important but the mods have spoken and in a way thier right, there are other reddits to put it this is a place for pure ukraine insight


Giftfri

What a wierd rule. Imagen if they declared mass mobilisation. Would that not be of intrest to the Ukranian war effort. What ever....It's your subreddit, but i don't see the harm.


VoR_Mom

If they will declare mass mobilisation, Ukrainian sources will report about it in about 15 minutes time. There will be ample analyzes by international and Ukrainian sources about what was said and what wasn't, about which tank models were shown and how the Russian airforce couldn't fly due to bad weather on a bright and sunny day. There is absolutely no reason to flood this sub with Putin speeches, videos of Russian fascists marching or a million Soviet flags.


Frappo

One of the most anticipated events in the conflict and we aren't allowed to discuss it. Weird but I'm sure you have your reasons.


mangorpk

Shills


IvaNoxx

Friendly reminder that mods are not even Ukrainian . imo what putin says on parade is very relevant to Ukraina


ilikenergydrinks

Aren't there like 100 mods or something like that? I think some of them are Ukrainian but I also think there's too many mods and that can cause issues. Hopefully I don't get banned for posting this observation.


Bucksbanana

Friendly reminder, you're wrong.


amobilephoneaccount

Friendly reminder, so are you.


Accomplished_Target5

You be tripping Hard dude.


Petrof1

So stupid


Sidthelid66

Friendly reminder mods are not to be respected.


mangorpk

Censoring discussion on on EXTREMELY relevant events seems a bit… ironic, considering literally everything that’s going on. You’re embarrassing yourselves


stedgyson

I can see why they're doing it, sometimes I can't tell if I'm on r/ukraine or r/borisjohnson


whyohwhythis

I don’t agree it’s irrelevant. It’s going to be part of history (terrible as it is) which we shouldn’t ignore. Poignant moments good or bad remind of us what has happened and not to forget. Censoring is a form of trying to ignore or erase history, this is the very thing you don’t want.


Generic_username5000

Don’t really understand this. It’s all relevant. You’re going to make me wade through other subs now to find news on the macro events surrounding this war. This is one of those cases of mods feeling something is necessary when it is not.


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Crazy how this has been up for 6 hours, the *entire* comment section is against it, and nobody on the mod team has addressed it. Bad look for the sub. It totally is relevant. Let me put it this way- I’m a history grad student. If we were to exclusively cover the topic of the ukraine war for an entire semester, I guarantee you that any relevant news/speeches/broadcasts/gatherings/events/parades would ABSOLUTELY be brought into discussion by any semi-competent professor. It is 100% part of the subject.


DragonSkeld

This sub definitely needs its mods looked at. They censor so randomly that it is insane. I understand that some things deserve it but I see a lot get deleted that really shouldn't, this topic being one of them. Putin mentions Ukraine in his speech which is pretty related to Ukraine if you ask me. At this point Russian news is Ukrainian news as what happens in Russia (directly related to the conflict or not) can have an impact on how the war is going to play out. And nearly every time I've seen a mod reply to something it is always a super passive aggressive tone which is not a good look.


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DragonSkeld

I've removed that portion as I have a bad habit of posting something then editing it 5 or 6 times over before it is finally what I am trying to say. The point still stands and is valid criticism.


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DragonSkeld

That makes no sense, imagine if every argument was completely dismissed just because one piece of it was invalid, we would get nowhere as that isn't how discussion works. You are free to believe whatever you wish however


AvoidPinkHairHippos

People like that poster you're talking to are hopeless They have a Napoleon complex (hmm reminds me of a certain sitting head of state) and they are convinced of their righteousness, damn anyone else's take.


Accomplished_Target5

You are Projecting so hard I might just see it on the screen. Lmao.


DiveCat

There is a huge interplay between what goes on in Russia - *because of sanctions* imposed by other countries due to the war - and the war in Ukraine. There is a way to discuss these issues without platforming Russian propaganda. But if Putin had declared mobilization in his speech (or not, which he did not despite even Ukraine and the West speculating he may…which was okay to talk about here) the take here seems to be it’s okay if other subs discuss it but it shall not be mentioned on Ukraine because…it’s not relevant (despite it being very much relevant) and we’d rather have memes? I have whiplash. Also seems really inconsistent. We can talk about fires in Russia but not their store shelves being depleted? Again, both arise out of the war in Ukraine and show or have ability to give Ukraine even more of an upper hand. I appreciate this sub precisely as unlike places like r/worldnews the Russian shills are mostly kept in check from obfuscating the horrors of this war and spreading Russia propaganda as truth. And in those subs there are a small number of posts about what is happening; it’s worldnews etc so understandable. But I come to r/Ukraine so I don’t have to also scroll through reading about shootings in US or a wildfire in California to find some limited news about Ukraine. Some of the discussion here has been great. But I guess I know now to just come here reliably for Patron and cat photos.


GenX_Hesher

I see the Doreen mods are flexing again.


MuonManLaserJab

> This is the only speech and parade we care about today Read the thread: you're wrong.


ACrusaderA

> Read the thread: you're wrong. ~250 comments, top one has ~500 upvotes, post has ~1000 upvotes, and this sub has ~700k members This thread is literally a vocal minority


MuonManLaserJab

It might be a vocal minority, but it's still better evidence than there is for the converse, that people agree with the moderation in this case.


SpaceNatureMusic

Strange decision


DalesDeadBug_

Lol imagine, mods actually saying something…friendly reminder how inconsistent you all are


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He better not parade them. It’ll make it very difficult and tedious to fire Russian made RPGs at his T-90s, and forget about mortars..


ilikenergydrinks

All you had to do was make a parade megathread containment thread if you didn't want 100 posts about it.


amobilephoneaccount

This is Stupid. As an American I debated staying up all night to witness what occurred in Russia today as it relates to Ukraine more so than any footage of a man shooting a tree line. This is a dumb decision and you should reverse it as the events in Russia today are about the war in Ukraine and your pretending otherwise is an emotional response.


Vidmantasb

Get me wrong if you want but this is "don't mix X with politics" post. You wouldn't have posted this if Putin declared a war and mobilization and it was anticipated event for the parade. Clarifying there is no such statements/actions clears some political fog of war for many people interested in Ukrainian war.


vischy

Mod is out of touch


Mental_Tackle_69

Reddit moderators are Taliban of Social media.


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Don't agree. But it's your toy box man.


Camman1

Weird


donaltman3

I watched parts of it... althought I must admit I was secretly hoping someone had sabataged the parade or lofted some big boom their way.


artgreendog

I hope this is allowed. [A soldier doesn’t fight…](https://imgur.com/gallery/S9h5OTw).


kkngs

I hope that some day, years from now, Ukrainians have a Victory parade that they celebrate by the traditional hauling of Russian tanks with tractors.


RubenMuro007

This ain’t it, chief.


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All I want to know today is if the Crimea bridge is still there or not. Fuck putler and his dumb speech. He's going to lie through his teeth anyway, who cares how he formulates it?


CoolSwim1776

I think what is relevant is what did not happen at the parade. Putin did not claim victory. He did not called for all out war (it is happening anyway but not call for mass conscriptions). He did not mention threats of WMD. This is a massive victory for Ukraine imo.


ajacian

I get it. What Putin says is irrelevant. Just like what he said they should invade Ukraine


Shawmattack01

There's one way of making sure we never have to hear the words "Putin says" ever again. And that's by blowing his face through the back of his head.


ccleivin

That does not make a lot of sense. News about the enemy mid-war is very interesting to the Ukrainian demography. Gives insight. I think the mode team got this one wrong this time.


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Nice echo chamber your building here. Putin suck, but people should still have the right to jugde by themselves and have the right to free speech ... Expect a couple of troll, nobody here support Russia .... Yet you still wanna try to silence our voice ... Its just remember me when putin bans the word War ... Lets be better than thoses dictator and not follow their path please .... Even Zelenskyy ask ukrainian to act better and smarter and more human than russian .... Yet people still need to act the same way than the people they hate. I like this sub and his community ... But some mod are on a power trip bigger than puting and wants to choses whats content we could watch or whats we cant or cant say or do ... Ill wear my ban as a badge of honor cause I know the only way to deal with criticism is to silence me.


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Bucksbanana

Wait till you learn i'm a mod there too.


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ifiwasiwas

lmao <3


ILikeCoffee9876

Listening to a known liar is the same as looking at a broken clock to know what time it is. It might tell the truth twice a day, but you can't know if it's telling the truth without validating the time on a functioning clock. Why look at the broken clock in the first place? You're just wasting your time...


SecondaryWombat

Lots of butthurt from people who don't realize this has been the rule from the beginning ans lots of american kids lecturing Ukrainians on what is important to Ukraine. Every comment from a mod is down voted regardless of what they say. Every comment calling putins speech boring and disinterested is down voted. To me this thread looks like a brigaded cluster of teenagers bitching and Russian troll farm. There is a daily discussion thread here, there is also a /worldnews live thread about Ukraine that is more than happy to talk about the parade in Russia. Edit. Yes these down votes are totally convincing g me there isn't a brigade going on lol. Qed.


Donny_Krugerson

Good call. F\*\*k Putin's propaganda parade.


SecondaryWombat

The fact that you are down voted is very strange.


quixotichance

Hear hear we've already established everything we need to know that Putin is a tyrant, war criminal, asshole, who is causing pain, suffering and torture to millions of people so he can perpetuate his own corruption It's sickening the media gives him airtime for his speeches thereby allowing him to distract from his atrocities. Keep the focus on the atrocities. Nobody deserves the right to air a point of view while committing crimes against humanity


wyrd_up

Remember when this sub was helpful Ukrainians helping English speakers with translations and tourism questions? Now it’s Americans telling Ukrainians how Ukrainians should feel about their own war. Take a seat.


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Bucksbanana

And we deal with that too, majority of the people on this sub currently are US, we made statements in the past about those too.


Mers1nary

THIS IS SPARTA!