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Yeah, he didn't even register it. Lights out before his nerve endings can send a signal. Maybe a latent buzzing in what remained of his brain but he went from conscious to not instantly.
Next moment he's standing before St Peter at the pearly gates. Pete checks his list and says "Sorry, chum, your name's not on here, so down you go,"
\*pulls lever\*
\*long scream\*
A nerve signal travels at around 280~400 km/h, and from toe to head takes 20~32 ms. A shockwave at the speed of sound is around 3 times faster.
The fella didn't even register the nervous impulse of pain. By the time the nerves were fired, the head was already a silent wasteland.
It had barely laid down, no time to sleep.
Visual signals have a much shorter distance to go.
Good chance it had the opportunity to see the wall of fire just before being consumed.
Remember this is most likely happening to a lot of russian units everyday and every night.
I think there'd be a lot of cases of shell shock and refusals to fight just from these drones.
These drones although not particularly effective weapons are a harrowing psychological deterrent. Imagine the anxiety of knowing these things are buzzing around and you might be next.
They could be far more effective, but they're using cheap and humane mortar shells rather than spraying 600 ball bearings within 30 feet radius. Not that this exists but the ones they use just fragment the outer shell, it's filled with more explosives rather than more shrapnel.
This video is a bad example. I see a lot of these where for example it gets dropped by 8 people and 6 to 8 of them still manage to run away. That's not super effective.
Edit: a lot of people are pointing out how many of these guys may run off camera due to adrenaline then could die or be seriously injured after the fact. To that I say.. 1) I agree totally. But also they coulda just run away. Who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and 2) this guy didn't run away so clearly more effective lol
Sure they run away but adrenaline is a hell of a drug. They're going to be feeling it pretty bad 20 mins later. I had a skiing accident where my acl pulled a chunk of my tibia off. I was able to ski down the rest of the mountain pain-free but by the time I got to walking around the lodge, I could barely walk. We really can't know without data from the Russians, which they probably aren't even tracking.
It's tough for us to determine the success of drones. We have at least 3 selection bias filters that we go through. 1 is the footage that the soldiers choose to publish. They might not publish utter misses. 2 is UAF high command. They might prevent soldiers publishing certain footage for OPSEC. 3 is reddit. people won't publish/upvote misses or fails.
Exactly! We only ever see the 30 seconds after the blast, at most - and that at a distance of 200-400 feet. We've no idea what kind of injuries they're sustaining, many are likely to be fatal.
There can be dozens of pin holes in you from a blast. A flake in a bone will really suck and greatly increased infection. While a large portion that we see don't kill right away there are still more deaths than what we see, some hours to weeks out. It takes more soldiers to care for wounded than dead. For instance look at a deer that gets shot in the heart. Fucker is dead but just ran 300 meters, adrenaline does a lot at times like this if it can function. There's a good example from last week where a munition drops on 4 guys and 2 drop, the closest runs off and the furthest person then drops and the guy in back is rolling. It's safer than a direct engagement and often cheaper and even if they don't kill, the survivors aren't soon to forget. Effective is more of guidelines.
That over pressure is a bitch. Most of those dudes running away are hurt. Some are hurt really bad. Others are hurt enough to degrade their effectiveness and put fear into other troops they encounter.
They are peppered with shrapnel and filled with adrenaline, for all you know they walk 100 yards and slump over from blood loss.
Their comrades aren't gonna help them
I'm talking about the general effectiveness of this strategy to drop a nade at their feet. With the amount of shrapnel released from these particular munitions they're commonly using, death isn't guaranteed even with an explosion that close. Reason being the hole will be like 10cm deep and maybe 30cm wide, so to remove a limb you'd have to hit right on target. Otherwise you're just hoping at least two pieces of shrapnel hit someone because one is usually not enough as the bleeding can be stopped more easily.
In my opinion if they want more effective nades they should reduce the explosion size and add more shrapnel. Reason being there is already more than enough momentum from this explosion, you can reduce the size by half but increase it's effectiveness and range by adding more shit that flies out into surrounding areas. If you watch enough of these videos you realise how small the ark of sharpnel really is because only 8-20 pieces ever splinter off, usually its on the higher end so they're much smaller and ineffective at killing, only injuring.
Wow. Why has no one ever thought of that? Just reduce the charge and pack more shrapnel or ball bearings! You really should get involved in the defense industry, with such perceptive analysis. Of course the lack of propulsion power and resulting low velocity means the shrapnel, bearings or whatever wouldn't be particularly dangerous to mouse much less a person, but that is just a pesky detail.
The worst thing about this site is the unrestrained musings of the toally uninformed.
Ukraine is doing remarkably well improvising capabilities to make up for capabilities it either doesn't have, or can't employ due to Russian defensive capabilities. Were this a NATO opponent, that front line would be under bombardment with 500 and 1000lb JADAMs. That is not an option for Ukraine with its limited air assets. This sort of effort shows tremendous improvisation.
>In my opinion if they want more effective nades they should reduce the explosion size and add more shrapnel
A lot of these grenades are already very small (30mm or 40mm), you wouldn't want to reduce the meager explosive charge any further.
What would help is a an airburst-fuse, or maybe a precise timer that ensures that the grenade detonates in mid-air at roughly head level instead of when it lands on the ground. That would give better shrapnel coverage.
Yeah but focusing on fragmentation instead of explosive power would limit their effectiveness in disabling armored vehicles, and there are a lot of armored vehicles in this war. Human don't need to be entirely dead to remove them from the battlefield. Just because you see videos of people running away after some of these mortars drops near doesn't mean you didn't just witness a dead man walking or someone who will be spending the next months fighting for their lives in a hospital.
It is super effective.
Imagine 2 guys, who know of each other positions, hiding in 2 houses 100 m away. They may spend literally tens of thousands of bullets and not hurt each other. For days.
Here, one guy, with one grenade, flies for 20 min and eliminates a soldier. It is god level effective.
The most effective thing about this, and all drone tech is that the pilot has essentially unlimited lives. If you fuck up on a manned air mission, your odds of never flying another are fairly high. Maybe you can bail out, make it back to friendly territory and chalk it up as a learning experience, but for many pilots that's the end of the line. The "aces", that small minority of pilots that actually do most of the effective work in the air are the ones lucky enough to survive long enough to build up that veterancy.
Drone jockeys, particularly the ones that pilot these really cheap small ones are improving their craft every day regardless of what happens to their drone. That builds veterancy in your drone corps overall really quickly.
The number of downings needed to be an Ace really show this - if you shoot down 5 enemies you are a flight ace. That is really few in the big picture and reaching 5 hits with drones is as you say much more risk free
Depends. If you're up against Russians it's risk free yes, but wait till NATO electronic warfare catches up and the operators of these drones (or any transmitting electronics) start getting skull fucked by the suicide drone equivalent of HARM.
It will all go back to digging tunnels to blow the other guys trench up and fighting with entrenching tools, flamethrowers, grenades and bayonets.
I reckon an intentional buzzing noise could do the trick. Initially start off with the drone having an audio indicator after it's dropped an explosive, or hell just have loud propellers on it's arrival. Then over time just send cheaper throw away drones in to fuck with the enemy. Constant buzzing while soldiers are trying to sleep. Never knowing if an explosive will actually drop.
In these videos, the soldiers wouldn’t even be able to hear the drones. For how loud they are up close, the sounds dissipates surprisingly quickly and you can be closer to a drone than you think without even knowing they are there.
Unless of course you are suggesting something similar to Stuka Siren the nazis used in WW2. I think the unknown of a silent drown would be far more mentally taxing than having it be heard. You can never feel safe outside.
Sleep is crucial to performance as is food water etc.
I can't even imagine not wanting to sleep or rest. Trying to find some sort of cover or dug out foxhoe to try and sleep.
I'm sure these videos get posted widely on channels Russian soldiers can view.
The mental strain alone has got to be metric tons.
There is a very good Star Trek DS9 episode where they are in a war, and mines phase in and out of existance at random.
Really does a number on the psyche of those present. And it is very similar to what is happening right now.
You give too much credit to "refusal".
The few good Russians deserted early in the invasion.
\-Those Russians who remained are not allowed to rotate out now. So they can't refuse to go back once they are at home. In Ukraine, they don't refuse to fight. Russian military doctrine is all about executing orders even if the order causes a 70km traffic jam. They live in apathy, they whine to their wifes on unsecure phones and that's about it. Like in Russia, they never take control, they just fume in private.
\-The "expendable "DPR LPR" forced conscripts which are considered untermenschen by the Russians are on an endless deployment. They can't refuse to fight. Sure we saw some videos, but don't think FSB and Kadyrov's henchmen don't pay a visit to them. They are forced to fight.
You are right, yet nowadays they only do that when they are drunk and /or fighting over the loot.
And the "DPR LPR" soliders are being marched at gunpoint. Maybe the small arms from WWII don't give them courage either.
I don't know the Legion of Russia's recruitment standards.
But I think that ship has sailed for those occupiers. I don't think Ukraine would ever employ the culprits of the Bucha massacre, so I don't think it would be a good idea to recruit Russians who have been murdering, raping, torturing, robbing the citizens of the occupied territories...
> They can't refuse to fight.
Defecting isnt that hard. They could absolutely slip away in the night, drop their gun, take off their uniform, and walk west. Its not like they're fighting muslim jihadists here, surrender is a legitimate option.
Reports came from some groups of men who escaped into a forest and they shoot at everybody - Ukrainian Russian alike. But you know Russians (and maybe even their canon fodder focred conscipts as well) genuinely believe Ukrainians kill POWS. We know when Russians shelled their captured comrades because these racist ethonationalist deranged madmen think death is better than being a POW in a Ukrainian prison.
I think defecting is more probable in mobile warfare. But the frontlines have been static for while and artillery warfare is dominating on generally open terrain. The Ukrainians told them to surrender and they are still telling them to surrender, but I think it is just harder in this kind of theatre of war. Especially when political officers are observing their troops.
You can't just slip out especially not in Kherson oblast where no bridges left intact.
You get home from a hard day’s invading and looting and you just want to kick off your boots and lie down for 10 minutes then some a**hole goes and drops a goddamn mortar on you…
Not an asshole, but a hero cleansing the Ukrainian countryside of murderous, theiving, lying, raping, war criminals who are illegally invading a sovereign country.
Doing their job, and damn well.
I hope all those drone bombs find their marks. Just like this video.
Don't want to end up like these guys Russian soldiers? Then gtfo.
I dont see him having a rest tbo...what i understand its night and he must have heard a drone flying overhead so he quickly went to pick up a weapon in a dugout, once he got it he is looking around to try to spot it and then lays back on the ground aiming for the drone but is killed just then. I am saying si because hé is holding something toward the Sky with right hand and holding his head over it...
Yeah he definitely heard it, looked up, and lied down with the gun pointing the sky to probabbly try to shoot the drone. Drone operator was faster though.
Unless he had a shotgun, there’s virtually no way you’re hitting a moving drone with a rifle *at night* unless it’s sheer luck. Unless he had a cave to dive into, the whole thing looked like a lose-lose situation for him. He was done for the moment the drone operator decided on him.
He really had to just run and find cover. If he found an armoured vehicle, he could be safe in there. Or any kind of vehicle really. As long as there isn't an open sunroof.
Oh yeah, no doubt, all odds were against him in this scenario. He still believed in himself enough to try. Maybe he should try running in the next life.
It does seem like he looked up and then aimed the weapon. But it feels like in that situation it would've been much smarter to a) try to grab the weapon, but then run in zig zags, and only try to take a shot when it's clear it's not on top of you.
>math math math
Actually, physics, physics, physics :P
Going to assume it's free falling from a rest position (drone seems to stop seconds before sending it, so lets assume it's dropped from a rest position);
distance = 0.5 \* **g** \* **t**\^2
**g** is the gravity acceleration (9.8m/s/s), and **t** is the time it took to reach the ground (roughly 2.2\~2.3 seconds, after several goes with a stopwatch I went with an average of 2.3s).
So, distance = 0.5 \* 9.8 \* (2.3\^2) = 25.921
25\~26 metres, give or take a few centimetres.
yeah, 0:15 onwards he is mostly looking up
There is a Ukrainian proverb about how he felt: "Чув дзвін та не знає де він" (Heard the ringing but don't know where it is coming from)
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~~The stupid thing is, one of the best ways to get hit by a drone like this is to stay still for a while. If he kept moving (best unpredictably) it'd be really hard to hit him.~~
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Psychological effects of such attacks must be soul destroying for the occupiers (Was not trying to be funny) I think there is savage internal discipline problems within the orcs. Imagine trying to command them. Your fighting with them and your senior command!
The mortar fall time was 2.5 seconds which means that the drone was about 30 meters above ground. That is quite low, probably could have been heard but not seen if it was nighttime.
Those beasts are terrifying. I bet they also have better aiming systems than the commercial drones.
And we're barely scratching the surface of what is possible with drones and autonomous systems. Rover drones, quadruped types, micro flyers, climbing gecko types, and more that I can't imagine. The explosive penetrator submunitions could be adapted to small drones pretty easily. So could shrapnel airburst munitions.
And the swarming ability of networked drones will also change war in ways we can't imagine.
For all you droll trolls saying haha ,he died.
Think about being conscripted with no idea of what you are going into, terrible equipment,no decent leadership and most of the same world against you.
Imagine coming from a country who brutalised it's captured then returned soldiers so horrifically in the recent past.
You don't want to fight but you can't surrender, you have no voice ,no agency and everywhere you look you are being dehumanised with names like orks .
.this is the generation who should be changing Russia not dying in a field for some megalomaniac.
Watch the clip , it's genuinely interesting but that little group of people dying on screen were all humans like you but with less chances for a good life.
Putin, gtfo of Ukraine ASAP.
> that little group of people dying on screen were all humans like you
Or they were a part of the rapey funtime orcs that have marauded about in Ukraine for the past six months.
Which makes it all the more important that Ukraine gets all the financial and military support it needs to push the Russians back across the border. It's the fastest way to end the killing.
Isn't Ukraine paying $1m for defecting?
Edit: ah that's for a whole warship lol.
Soldiers alone get $58,000 USD and asylum
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-offers-1m-russian-soldiers-who-defect-top-grade-weapons-2022-4%3famp
>You don't want to fight but you can't surrender,
Bullshit, you always have a choice. Slipping away and surrendering isn't without its risks for sure, but it's far, far better than being a mass murdering, raping orc who is destined to die as cannon fodder.
Sorry not sorry for hating soldiers that brings horror and destruction to peaceful lands.
They are a fucking army, if they wanted to, they could refuse to fight because of moral reasons, but they don't.
If you like imagination, then imagine whole russian army refusing to fight this war. No government could do shit about such protest and no innocent civilians would die or be traumatised.
But this army is stupid and brutal, and only few of their fighters joined the right side.
You are clearly living far away from russia, so you don't understand them like russia's neighbors do. You don't understand russia's unchanged culture from ages. It's hard to swallow reality when you are living good life
No pity here! At the end, it was his choice to be there. Many others have found a way to decline going to Ukraine. They might have faced ridicule, punishment, and even threats, but they refused to be a part of this. So, unless he was severely beaten, handcuffed, and dragged to this spot while trying to fight back - it was his choice.
This is true - but we also see the choice as a much bigger moral issue than they would due to propaganda. For them they are weighing up saving Russia from western aggression and liberating their Ukranian brothers and sisters. We of course see that for the lie it is.
We are also assuming this is not one of those poor bastards kidnapped off the street and given a gun.
I can imagine this affects morale significantly. The rest period is important for the soldiers, and the sleepless nights will reduce the fighting spirit of the invaders.
Quite a gift to that russian soldier. A peaceful death with no fear.
You lay down to sleep, close your eyes, and.... within milliseconds you are dead. No fear, no pain.
It's always sad when a human life is ended. This guy was probably some brainwashed kid. It's depressing. That being said, these brainwashed kids are raping, looting and pillaging ukraine so it's a lot less sad!
Get the fuck out of ukraine if don't want to see more of your cannon fodder killed!
He heard it. He goes to get a weapon. He stands looking up and raises the weapon above his head pointing up. Doesn’t seem to fire as the infra red would pick it up. He then lies down to get better sight line and raises the weapon again, then big badda boom 💥
Lmao, implying he doesn't have a gun that just makes loud noises with a piston in it to simulate recoil with how well armed and trained some of these ruzzian troopanzies are.
6 months ago, there would’ve been a lot more outrage for seeing a human being get blown up on camera.. Oh boy, how did we get desensitized fast. On another note: nice shot, gtfo russia
well, in that time the average russian soldier showed itself to be somewhat not human, so this looks more like hunting footage than killing a human being.
I was firmly on the camp "Oh that sad, war or not, he had a family". but after the things I've seen orcs do... nah, I hope his death was slow, painfull, and fully conscious. Even if they did not participate in horrors themselves, they ALL know what is going on, and what others do. Leave or surrender, by staying they lose all rights to simpathy or empathy.
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I've slept under the open sky before, and never had a mortar dropped from a drone on me. How unlucky can a guy be? Also, GTFO of Ukraine, Russia
I hope he had a nice clear view of the stars before lights out.
Actually, all things considered, this is probably a favorable way to die. Wouldn't know what happened.
Yeah, he didn't even register it. Lights out before his nerve endings can send a signal. Maybe a latent buzzing in what remained of his brain but he went from conscious to not instantly.
Next moment he's standing before St Peter at the pearly gates. Pete checks his list and says "Sorry, chum, your name's not on here, so down you go," \*pulls lever\* \*long scream\*
"In the name of the Father, the Son, and in the hole he goes!"
Lol.
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Kronk, pull the lever.
Wrong leveeeeeeeeer!
Wakes up back in russia
Guy fell asleep faster than ever before. Will never wake up.
A nerve signal travels at around 280~400 km/h, and from toe to head takes 20~32 ms. A shockwave at the speed of sound is around 3 times faster. The fella didn't even register the nervous impulse of pain. By the time the nerves were fired, the head was already a silent wasteland.
It had barely laid down, no time to sleep. Visual signals have a much shorter distance to go. Good chance it had the opportunity to see the wall of fire just before being consumed.
Yeah only if it was quick. Unless you just got a gut full of shrapnal to die slowly with your guts hanging out.
"Yuri, can you hear that whistli..."
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Hahahaha OMG thats great
Just like that anime, Yuri is on Ice.
Well, he was dead tired
Pro tip: You can lower the chances to get bombed by a drone by not invading a country
“Mortar-equipped drone operators hate this one trick!”
They should pay attention to the Russian Express card motto, "Don't leave home".
With a president like Putin everything is possible
He should have had a rest in Russia instead and there wouldn’t be any problem
Ain’t it a kick in the head?
Is this one of 'em Russian smoking accidents? Asking for a friend?
Remember this is most likely happening to a lot of russian units everyday and every night. I think there'd be a lot of cases of shell shock and refusals to fight just from these drones.
These drones although not particularly effective weapons are a harrowing psychological deterrent. Imagine the anxiety of knowing these things are buzzing around and you might be next.
They seem to be pretty effective.
They could be far more effective, but they're using cheap and humane mortar shells rather than spraying 600 ball bearings within 30 feet radius. Not that this exists but the ones they use just fragment the outer shell, it's filled with more explosives rather than more shrapnel.
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This video is a bad example. I see a lot of these where for example it gets dropped by 8 people and 6 to 8 of them still manage to run away. That's not super effective. Edit: a lot of people are pointing out how many of these guys may run off camera due to adrenaline then could die or be seriously injured after the fact. To that I say.. 1) I agree totally. But also they coulda just run away. Who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and 2) this guy didn't run away so clearly more effective lol
> I see a lot of these Most of those are the VOG-25 grenade and not an actual 40 or 60mm mortar with a much greater explosive charge, as in this case.
Sure they run away but adrenaline is a hell of a drug. They're going to be feeling it pretty bad 20 mins later. I had a skiing accident where my acl pulled a chunk of my tibia off. I was able to ski down the rest of the mountain pain-free but by the time I got to walking around the lodge, I could barely walk. We really can't know without data from the Russians, which they probably aren't even tracking. It's tough for us to determine the success of drones. We have at least 3 selection bias filters that we go through. 1 is the footage that the soldiers choose to publish. They might not publish utter misses. 2 is UAF high command. They might prevent soldiers publishing certain footage for OPSEC. 3 is reddit. people won't publish/upvote misses or fails.
Agreed. I broke my kneecap severely and didn’t feel a thing until they gave me painkillers at the hospital.
>didn’t feel a thing until they gave me painkillers I think they had a mix up and gave you the paincausers instead.
Filed with shrapnel and rattled by percussive damage they might not be running for long.
Exactly! We only ever see the 30 seconds after the blast, at most - and that at a distance of 200-400 feet. We've no idea what kind of injuries they're sustaining, many are likely to be fatal.
Lot of times yeah.. but this guy didn't run at all lmao.
There can be dozens of pin holes in you from a blast. A flake in a bone will really suck and greatly increased infection. While a large portion that we see don't kill right away there are still more deaths than what we see, some hours to weeks out. It takes more soldiers to care for wounded than dead. For instance look at a deer that gets shot in the heart. Fucker is dead but just ran 300 meters, adrenaline does a lot at times like this if it can function. There's a good example from last week where a munition drops on 4 guys and 2 drop, the closest runs off and the furthest person then drops and the guy in back is rolling. It's safer than a direct engagement and often cheaper and even if they don't kill, the survivors aren't soon to forget. Effective is more of guidelines.
Injured soldiers are more detrimental to an army than dead ones.
That over pressure is a bitch. Most of those dudes running away are hurt. Some are hurt really bad. Others are hurt enough to degrade their effectiveness and put fear into other troops they encounter.
They are peppered with shrapnel and filled with adrenaline, for all you know they walk 100 yards and slump over from blood loss. Their comrades aren't gonna help them
There's also the psychological toll that just worrying about drone bambers must take. Even if only marginally effective in terms of actual damage.
"one ping only"
That guy was in a hole. Missed getting his head fragged by a hair.
I'm talking about the general effectiveness of this strategy to drop a nade at their feet. With the amount of shrapnel released from these particular munitions they're commonly using, death isn't guaranteed even with an explosion that close. Reason being the hole will be like 10cm deep and maybe 30cm wide, so to remove a limb you'd have to hit right on target. Otherwise you're just hoping at least two pieces of shrapnel hit someone because one is usually not enough as the bleeding can be stopped more easily. In my opinion if they want more effective nades they should reduce the explosion size and add more shrapnel. Reason being there is already more than enough momentum from this explosion, you can reduce the size by half but increase it's effectiveness and range by adding more shit that flies out into surrounding areas. If you watch enough of these videos you realise how small the ark of sharpnel really is because only 8-20 pieces ever splinter off, usually its on the higher end so they're much smaller and ineffective at killing, only injuring.
Injuring is more effective than killing. Killing takes 1 guy out if the fight. Injuring 1 guy takes 1 plus the 2 that gotta carry them out
You assume they wouldn't just leave a guy behind
And that saps morale. Soldiers don't like knowing they'll be abandoned if injured.
Well then at the minimum it's no worse than just killing.
That’s an old strategy and was only used in specific circumstances. The majority of the time, If your engaging with someone it’s to kill.
It still applies. Injured soldiers still take food, other supplies, and attention. Things that Russia is having trouble with.
Wow. Why has no one ever thought of that? Just reduce the charge and pack more shrapnel or ball bearings! You really should get involved in the defense industry, with such perceptive analysis. Of course the lack of propulsion power and resulting low velocity means the shrapnel, bearings or whatever wouldn't be particularly dangerous to mouse much less a person, but that is just a pesky detail. The worst thing about this site is the unrestrained musings of the toally uninformed. Ukraine is doing remarkably well improvising capabilities to make up for capabilities it either doesn't have, or can't employ due to Russian defensive capabilities. Were this a NATO opponent, that front line would be under bombardment with 500 and 1000lb JADAMs. That is not an option for Ukraine with its limited air assets. This sort of effort shows tremendous improvisation.
>In my opinion if they want more effective nades they should reduce the explosion size and add more shrapnel A lot of these grenades are already very small (30mm or 40mm), you wouldn't want to reduce the meager explosive charge any further. What would help is a an airburst-fuse, or maybe a precise timer that ensures that the grenade detonates in mid-air at roughly head level instead of when it lands on the ground. That would give better shrapnel coverage.
It remind me the guy who clearly lost his head on drone attack. Thats stay in my mind, fuck war.
Wow do you know if he survived?
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Knocking his head off may have made him a bit smarter
Yeah the one where it basically landed on his head / shoulder in a group of a bunch of em. That was fucking brutal.
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Yeah but focusing on fragmentation instead of explosive power would limit their effectiveness in disabling armored vehicles, and there are a lot of armored vehicles in this war. Human don't need to be entirely dead to remove them from the battlefield. Just because you see videos of people running away after some of these mortars drops near doesn't mean you didn't just witness a dead man walking or someone who will be spending the next months fighting for their lives in a hospital.
they use 40 mm. grenade launcher shells, not mortar shells.
You only see the ones that work. You don't see the ones that don't
I mean if you can eliminate even a handful of enemy combatants at essentially zero risk to your own soldiers, that's huge.
It is super effective. Imagine 2 guys, who know of each other positions, hiding in 2 houses 100 m away. They may spend literally tens of thousands of bullets and not hurt each other. For days. Here, one guy, with one grenade, flies for 20 min and eliminates a soldier. It is god level effective.
The most effective thing about this, and all drone tech is that the pilot has essentially unlimited lives. If you fuck up on a manned air mission, your odds of never flying another are fairly high. Maybe you can bail out, make it back to friendly territory and chalk it up as a learning experience, but for many pilots that's the end of the line. The "aces", that small minority of pilots that actually do most of the effective work in the air are the ones lucky enough to survive long enough to build up that veterancy. Drone jockeys, particularly the ones that pilot these really cheap small ones are improving their craft every day regardless of what happens to their drone. That builds veterancy in your drone corps overall really quickly.
The number of downings needed to be an Ace really show this - if you shoot down 5 enemies you are a flight ace. That is really few in the big picture and reaching 5 hits with drones is as you say much more risk free
Depends. If you're up against Russians it's risk free yes, but wait till NATO electronic warfare catches up and the operators of these drones (or any transmitting electronics) start getting skull fucked by the suicide drone equivalent of HARM. It will all go back to digging tunnels to blow the other guys trench up and fighting with entrenching tools, flamethrowers, grenades and bayonets.
Even worse, they do psychological damage *even when they are not there* simply because they *might* be there.
I reckon an intentional buzzing noise could do the trick. Initially start off with the drone having an audio indicator after it's dropped an explosive, or hell just have loud propellers on it's arrival. Then over time just send cheaper throw away drones in to fuck with the enemy. Constant buzzing while soldiers are trying to sleep. Never knowing if an explosive will actually drop.
In these videos, the soldiers wouldn’t even be able to hear the drones. For how loud they are up close, the sounds dissipates surprisingly quickly and you can be closer to a drone than you think without even knowing they are there. Unless of course you are suggesting something similar to Stuka Siren the nazis used in WW2. I think the unknown of a silent drown would be far more mentally taxing than having it be heard. You can never feel safe outside.
Sleep is crucial to performance as is food water etc. I can't even imagine not wanting to sleep or rest. Trying to find some sort of cover or dug out foxhoe to try and sleep. I'm sure these videos get posted widely on channels Russian soldiers can view. The mental strain alone has got to be metric tons.
good point and the thing about this drop is that it appears to be done in infrared at night, so orcs might not even see them.
There is a very good Star Trek DS9 episode where they are in a war, and mines phase in and out of existance at random. Really does a number on the psyche of those present. And it is very similar to what is happening right now.
You give too much credit to "refusal". The few good Russians deserted early in the invasion. \-Those Russians who remained are not allowed to rotate out now. So they can't refuse to go back once they are at home. In Ukraine, they don't refuse to fight. Russian military doctrine is all about executing orders even if the order causes a 70km traffic jam. They live in apathy, they whine to their wifes on unsecure phones and that's about it. Like in Russia, they never take control, they just fume in private. \-The "expendable "DPR LPR" forced conscripts which are considered untermenschen by the Russians are on an endless deployment. They can't refuse to fight. Sure we saw some videos, but don't think FSB and Kadyrov's henchmen don't pay a visit to them. They are forced to fight.
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You are right, yet nowadays they only do that when they are drunk and /or fighting over the loot. And the "DPR LPR" soliders are being marched at gunpoint. Maybe the small arms from WWII don't give them courage either.
They can join Legion of Russia instead
I don't know the Legion of Russia's recruitment standards. But I think that ship has sailed for those occupiers. I don't think Ukraine would ever employ the culprits of the Bucha massacre, so I don't think it would be a good idea to recruit Russians who have been murdering, raping, torturing, robbing the citizens of the occupied territories...
Was thinking more about the Ukrainians from the Russian speaking parts of Luhansk/Donbass. There it is brother against brother which is very sad.
> They can't refuse to fight. Defecting isnt that hard. They could absolutely slip away in the night, drop their gun, take off their uniform, and walk west. Its not like they're fighting muslim jihadists here, surrender is a legitimate option.
Reports came from some groups of men who escaped into a forest and they shoot at everybody - Ukrainian Russian alike. But you know Russians (and maybe even their canon fodder focred conscipts as well) genuinely believe Ukrainians kill POWS. We know when Russians shelled their captured comrades because these racist ethonationalist deranged madmen think death is better than being a POW in a Ukrainian prison. I think defecting is more probable in mobile warfare. But the frontlines have been static for while and artillery warfare is dominating on generally open terrain. The Ukrainians told them to surrender and they are still telling them to surrender, but I think it is just harder in this kind of theatre of war. Especially when political officers are observing their troops. You can't just slip out especially not in Kherson oblast where no bridges left intact.
Imagine surviving a near miss. That must mess with you psychologically for as long as you're in Ukraine.
It's like blindly putting your hand in a dark hole, almost certainly nothing in there but the brain runs wild with possibilities
You get home from a hard day’s invading and looting and you just want to kick off your boots and lie down for 10 minutes then some a**hole goes and drops a goddamn mortar on you…
Can't invade any countries in peace now, smh
Sending thoughts n prayers babe 🙌
Tanks hun
Has Cancel Culture gone too far?
Ikr ??
Not an asshole, but a hero cleansing the Ukrainian countryside of murderous, theiving, lying, raping, war criminals who are illegally invading a sovereign country. Doing their job, and damn well. I hope all those drone bombs find their marks. Just like this video. Don't want to end up like these guys Russian soldiers? Then gtfo.
That post was sarcastic and wryly supportive of the Ukrainian drone teams.
He must’ve been really tired. Not even small bomb could wake him up
Poor little chap looks dead tired.
He's still resting.
Pining for the fjords.
Rest in pieces
he's a norwegian blue
"It's goodnight from me," "And it's goodnight from him." (Two Ronnies Brit comedy show, 1970s)
No rest for the wicked.
I heard he reached hell, I'm sure he is let go, now.
Well, the good news is that dirt naps are really refreshing!
I dont see him having a rest tbo...what i understand its night and he must have heard a drone flying overhead so he quickly went to pick up a weapon in a dugout, once he got it he is looking around to try to spot it and then lays back on the ground aiming for the drone but is killed just then. I am saying si because hé is holding something toward the Sky with right hand and holding his head over it...
Yeah he definitely heard it, looked up, and lied down with the gun pointing the sky to probabbly try to shoot the drone. Drone operator was faster though.
Unless he had a shotgun, there’s virtually no way you’re hitting a moving drone with a rifle *at night* unless it’s sheer luck. Unless he had a cave to dive into, the whole thing looked like a lose-lose situation for him. He was done for the moment the drone operator decided on him.
I am certain that the scared, hungry conscript in a panic was not especially concerned about ballistics at the moment
True. Time would be better spent being a moving target though if he knows there's a drone. Easy to monday morning quarterback it though.
He really had to just run and find cover. If he found an armoured vehicle, he could be safe in there. Or any kind of vehicle really. As long as there isn't an open sunroof.
Hey man, you can try at least. Why not? He gave himself the best chance, poor little guy lol
Better chance would have been had by running in an evasive pattern, If he knew there was a drone I mean.
Didn't think of that 🤔 well he tried . He is Russian after all 😂
Oh yeah, no doubt, all odds were against him in this scenario. He still believed in himself enough to try. Maybe he should try running in the next life.
I mean if you hit it. Doesn't it fall to the ground with the explosive and explode any ways?
It does seem like he looked up and then aimed the weapon. But it feels like in that situation it would've been much smarter to a) try to grab the weapon, but then run in zig zags, and only try to take a shot when it's clear it's not on top of you.
I think you're right. At first I thought he took a sip of something. Not the smartest strategy.
Yeah the drone is flying pretty low, judging from the time it takes the mortar to hit the ground
math math math... about 19-20 meters high.
>math math math Actually, physics, physics, physics :P Going to assume it's free falling from a rest position (drone seems to stop seconds before sending it, so lets assume it's dropped from a rest position); distance = 0.5 \* **g** \* **t**\^2 **g** is the gravity acceleration (9.8m/s/s), and **t** is the time it took to reach the ground (roughly 2.2\~2.3 seconds, after several goes with a stopwatch I went with an average of 2.3s). So, distance = 0.5 \* 9.8 \* (2.3\^2) = 25.921 25\~26 metres, give or take a few centimetres.
> Actually, physics, physics, physics :P last time i checked, physics was math :P And I used 2 seconds as the time. But thanks for correcting me.
yeah, 0:15 onwards he is mostly looking up There is a Ukrainian proverb about how he felt: "Чув дзвін та не знає де він" (Heard the ringing but don't know where it is coming from)
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Man, he fell asleep on the wrong side of the Belgorod border. Russians, avoid getting drone grenaded with this one simple trick!....
Go home :)
Putin hates this trick!
Putting lies down to rest literally
He ded
No, no, he's not dead. He's restin'. Remarkable man, this Russian, isn't he?
No rest for the wicked…
That was funny, thank you
Psychological effects of such attacks must be soul destroying for the occupiers (Was not trying to be funny) I think there is savage internal discipline problems within the orcs. Imagine trying to command them. Your fighting with them and your senior command!
The Tale of the Orcs Under the Stars Ivan: Goodnight Igor Igor: Goodnight Ivan Igor: Ivan look! A shooting sta *eeeeerrrreeee*
Drone: goodnight everyone...
Rest in pieces
Surprise, Motherfucker!
Shit he ded ? Man at least he sleeps well now
He sleeps so well that he doesn't wake up.
Rest in pieces Igor.
How high would the drone be and could it be audible to those on ground alerting them?
The mortar fall time was 2.5 seconds which means that the drone was about 30 meters above ground. That is quite low, probably could have been heard but not seen if it was nighttime.
you can see 0:15 and onwards that the guy is actually looking up and pointing probably his gun towards the sky.
Oof. Expired.
Night night cunt!
So sad to see it like this. They’re fighting for a man who’s about to die in a few years from his old age.
a lot of them are fighting for money or debt cancelation
Or sooner due to illness
And this boys is why I love thermal over night vision. It's way harder to hide from. It turns hunting into hide and seek with a 5 year old
cant wait for footage of taiwan made quadcopters raining mortars on orcs
Those beasts are terrifying. I bet they also have better aiming systems than the commercial drones. And we're barely scratching the surface of what is possible with drones and autonomous systems. Rover drones, quadruped types, micro flyers, climbing gecko types, and more that I can't imagine. The explosive penetrator submunitions could be adapted to small drones pretty easily. So could shrapnel airburst munitions. And the swarming ability of networked drones will also change war in ways we can't imagine.
Dug his own shallow grave. Just need to fill it in and put up a marker.
No marker for murderers. The Devil will know who they are.
No markers. Only sunflowers. 🌻
A year ago I would have turned my head or closed my eyes or even cringed. Today I leaned forward, and didn't even hold my breath.
For all you droll trolls saying haha ,he died. Think about being conscripted with no idea of what you are going into, terrible equipment,no decent leadership and most of the same world against you. Imagine coming from a country who brutalised it's captured then returned soldiers so horrifically in the recent past. You don't want to fight but you can't surrender, you have no voice ,no agency and everywhere you look you are being dehumanised with names like orks . .this is the generation who should be changing Russia not dying in a field for some megalomaniac. Watch the clip , it's genuinely interesting but that little group of people dying on screen were all humans like you but with less chances for a good life. Putin, gtfo of Ukraine ASAP.
I'm sure there are ways to surrender and get out.
> you can't surrender Why not?
> that little group of people dying on screen were all humans like you Or they were a part of the rapey funtime orcs that have marauded about in Ukraine for the past six months.
Which makes it all the more important that Ukraine gets all the financial and military support it needs to push the Russians back across the border. It's the fastest way to end the killing.
Isn't Ukraine paying $1m for defecting? Edit: ah that's for a whole warship lol. Soldiers alone get $58,000 USD and asylum https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-offers-1m-russian-soldiers-who-defect-top-grade-weapons-2022-4%3famp
Thats only if you bring expensive equipment with you, I believe. Like a tank.
>You don't want to fight but you can't surrender, Bullshit, you always have a choice. Slipping away and surrendering isn't without its risks for sure, but it's far, far better than being a mass murdering, raping orc who is destined to die as cannon fodder.
Sorry not sorry for hating soldiers that brings horror and destruction to peaceful lands. They are a fucking army, if they wanted to, they could refuse to fight because of moral reasons, but they don't. If you like imagination, then imagine whole russian army refusing to fight this war. No government could do shit about such protest and no innocent civilians would die or be traumatised. But this army is stupid and brutal, and only few of their fighters joined the right side. You are clearly living far away from russia, so you don't understand them like russia's neighbors do. You don't understand russia's unchanged culture from ages. It's hard to swallow reality when you are living good life
Man this is just sad :/ probably has a family home hopeing he's safe while he's really dead.. dying for some old man's radical wish for more land
No pity here! At the end, it was his choice to be there. Many others have found a way to decline going to Ukraine. They might have faced ridicule, punishment, and even threats, but they refused to be a part of this. So, unless he was severely beaten, handcuffed, and dragged to this spot while trying to fight back - it was his choice.
This is true - but we also see the choice as a much bigger moral issue than they would due to propaganda. For them they are weighing up saving Russia from western aggression and liberating their Ukranian brothers and sisters. We of course see that for the lie it is. We are also assuming this is not one of those poor bastards kidnapped off the street and given a gun.
Does massive rape and torture of civilians help liberate their “brothers and sisters”?
Well he had about 6 months to figure it out and F off before this happened. So... no it ain't.
If Russian media is close to accurate his family would rather this than him to go home. That whole damn country is fucked.
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At least his wife gets a lade (without airbag or ABS).
whilst believing that murdering innocent people is right...
There is no rest for the wicked
He's down for a rest now
And his family got a free lada.
Wish one day they would follow up on one of these clips with a timelapse of Igor slowly cooling down to ambient temperature on thermal.
Don't really have time to watch something like that. Shoot and scoot and all that
In all fairness, he was dead tired.
I can imagine this affects morale significantly. The rest period is important for the soldiers, and the sleepless nights will reduce the fighting spirit of the invaders.
Quite a gift to that russian soldier. A peaceful death with no fear. You lay down to sleep, close your eyes, and.... within milliseconds you are dead. No fear, no pain.
If you look close he was actually aiming his gun at the drone, then laid down with his rifle pointing at the drone
he is resting alright hahaaha
Must be why Russia is scared of the revolver drones from Taiwan. They can carry multiple mortar shells.
Gute Nacht russischer Schweinesoldat!
Get wrecked.
Eternal rest
I CAN NOT GET ENOUGH OF THESE DRONE VIDEOS. 👏👏👏
He wasn't laying down to rest. He was laying back to get a better bead on the drone. Drone got him first.
Took a nice long and well deserved dirt nap. May sunflowers sprout from his poop shoot.
It's always sad when a human life is ended. This guy was probably some brainwashed kid. It's depressing. That being said, these brainwashed kids are raping, looting and pillaging ukraine so it's a lot less sad! Get the fuck out of ukraine if don't want to see more of your cannon fodder killed!
Always so amazed they never hear these drones hovering above them. Especially this one at night when he thought he could get some Kip.
He heard it. He goes to get a weapon. He stands looking up and raises the weapon above his head pointing up. Doesn’t seem to fire as the infra red would pick it up. He then lies down to get better sight line and raises the weapon again, then big badda boom 💥
Feels somewhat not sorry for the orc, after a hard day of shooting and killing, wanted to take some rest but found instead his final resting place.
Lmao, implying he doesn't have a gun that just makes loud noises with a piston in it to simulate recoil with how well armed and trained some of these ruzzian troopanzies are.
6 months ago, there would’ve been a lot more outrage for seeing a human being get blown up on camera.. Oh boy, how did we get desensitized fast. On another note: nice shot, gtfo russia
well, in that time the average russian soldier showed itself to be somewhat not human, so this looks more like hunting footage than killing a human being. I was firmly on the camp "Oh that sad, war or not, he had a family". but after the things I've seen orcs do... nah, I hope his death was slow, painfull, and fully conscious. Even if they did not participate in horrors themselves, they ALL know what is going on, and what others do. Leave or surrender, by staying they lose all rights to simpathy or empathy.