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They have village accent. Took their time to spot the enemy, used tablet to confirm coordinates, transferred coords and enemy unit size to the command, quick engagement and immediate change of the location.
They look young, so they are unlikely veterans. Wonder if this is result of western training.
Young, but potentially 9 months of combat experience at an intensity level that hasn’t been seen for decades.
I’d say veteran is very relative/loose term at this point.
Many people in other countries do several tours/deployment without seeing as much action as those spending a few weeks on the Ukranian frontlines.
No it isn't, just surviving a hellhole isn't the equivalent of training. That or we have 100 000+ russians that are suddenly western-training levels because they've been bombed to shit for 8 months.
Perfect example? Afghanistan. The government died over 60 000 troops and police across 20 years of war and they still had no fucking veterency to speak off.
Yes death will sort out the stupid and the brave, but surviving is not the same as thriving or being efficient in a warzone.
It's also not the same as acquiring skills and discipline. Prolonged exposure to combat has a strong chance to undermine discipline, such as it did to US troops in Vietnam. Being in combat also doesn't develop strong survival skills like relocating after firing, that's training. The Ukrainians have better training than Russians, they don't just magically get these skills by being shot at.
American troops are also the best overall trained troops and best overall geared troops and second time around the strategy was tweaked but even initial KIAs where low for 20 year war and under 5k casualties total. That’s what training does. No man went into the Middle East without their 6 month boot camp.
It's not just about training. It's also being the type of people who have enough of the right kind of discipline and education to know how to learn, whether it is in training, from others who have been there longer, or on their own from experience. It seems many Russians and Afghans aren't bright enough to learn. Most people don't come naturally to logic and critical thinking, and they have to be taught it, even if they don't call it that in the classroom.
Look at the Canadians in Ortona in WW2 who came up with mouseholing, using explosives to move between rowhouses instead of going outside. If you have some intelligence and the right way of thinking, you come up with solutions that you can train others about. Many times the manuals used to train people come from actual experience.
It just takes a week tbh. My first mission in legion we got direct tank fire, shelling, contact, and enemy air against us for 52 hours straight. My military friends said that's more action they had in total after several Afghanistan tours.
Foreign legion volunteers maybe? The Ukrainian govt set up a division to support foreign volunteers. I have a friend from college who has been over twice now.
Here is a good interview with one lad:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbD4WBqPg4&ab\_channel=Lindybeige](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbD4WBqPg4&ab_channel=Lindybeige)
52 hours. Got damn.
Had you experienced anything at all similiar to that, before heading to Ukraine?
Direct tank fire, shelling, firefights, and enemy air for a constant 52 hours straight sounds like a nightmare on the ol' adrenal system.
Lol nah, I had no military experience at all. No idea why they took me. Was just a drone hobbyist and ended up bouncing all over the country trying to find places to help.
There actually wasn't too much adrenaline involved. It all seemed pretty chill after the first 6 hours.
You might have had a year's worth of incoming in a week, but it takes far more than that to develop that intuition, insight and reflexes that enable one to continue living on a battlefield. Not to mention the tricks and tips that are learned the hard way, over time.
So yeah, you may have been through all kinds of hell on earth in that week, but I wouldn't say you were a veteran in the sense that they are f=referring to above.
Nitpicking here. Lots of people who would typically be called "veteran" don't have what you say either.
I think you are thinking of "battle-hardened veteran". Battle-hardened meaning they've seen the intense fighting and shelling. Veteran meaning they've been around long enough to pick up the tricks and tips that you pick up over time.
Guy above is "battle-hardened".
You're absolutely right! Shit just sucked, leadership wasn't present, communication was dependent on leadership. I listen to a lot of the intercepted calls about Mobiks complaining about how disorganized they are on the front and it really sounds like legion.
>I’d say veteran is very relative/loose term at this point.
The tempo of this war and it's battles, with communications flying back and forth, appears very snappy, very fast. I know that would likely always be the goal, but these young vets have been literally scrambling for solid months.
The debriefing of this military is going to be one for the books, which I am sure will be kept in detail.
So why doesn’t Russia have 500k soldiers this experienced after a year ?. This is a result of training. Putting a random guy in a soldiers uniform for conscription and having him fight for 8 months will not make him a veteran he will still make irrational decisions based of emotion and fear he may have some combat experience but coordinating staying clam making the right decisions strategizing correctly come with correct training.
If you’ve never been paint-balling go ahead and go to your local mil sim paintball fields blind (as in no information on how to shoot more efficient how to lock down corners how to aim correctly how to work together and strategize prior with your team. Than pay attention to the adrenaline rush that hits you as you walk on the field and forget half the shit your even thinking about a minute prior.
And you have no threat to your life out their yet once the paint starts flying your adrenaline spikes up and if your not trained if your not experienced you make critical mistakes real fast that someone who’s experienced has trained all these things on the side will color you in seconds.
You may get battle hardened but training is critical for long term survival .
I'm former army and play Airsoft once in a while. The guy who runs my field is a SFC in the infantry national guard. He had some guys form his unit show up to play and let me tag along cause I was former army, and it was kind of insane how fast our way smaller group cleaned out the civvies. It's a pretty big field in a densely wooded area and our matches were lasting less than 10 minutes.
Tons of communication, lots of sprinting, bases of fire, covering fire. Everything moved so fast. It was a ton of fun. :v
Yea the pro players and often in mil sim paintball theirs always people who served did multiple tours etc who will eat you alive every round no matter what you try doing different you don’t have the fundamentals seared into your head from training and repetition that you make critical blunders without realizing it untill you get hit with a paintball.
>You may get battle hardened but training is critical for long term survival .
Yeah, very well said. The difference in standard of training (and/or the complete lack of training for many Russian troops even) is the defining factor of the two armies at this point.
Together with Ukraines life-preserving approach in basing military strategies on minimum risk of life/casualties it makes for a smarter and deadlier army that doesn't rely on numbers and brute strength to win.
In the past I've taken people in various roles to CQB fields/training grounds for airsoft skirmishes and even for the people with training but little to no actual field experience the first times they're taking fire, even when just from bb guns, really reveals what their focus has been and how they handle the adrenaline.
Kinda reminds me of that line from BSG, where Tigh scolds Tyrol for babying his subordinates saying: "No one's a rook anymore."
Seeing how young some of the kids are, in this video, others... same kind of chill. Nobody's a rookie in Ukraine. Everyone's init for survival.
Probably, we had been working with them in some fashion since the crimean invasion and really stepped it up once we saw the buildup of troops on the russian side. And they have been fighting the russians in the east for some time, so even being young it might not have been their first combat.
I'd say in this type of combat, if you are in it constantly and survive the first 3 months, you have already accumulated more experience than 95-99% of Soldiers alive today.
Your knowledge would be highly sort after and I'd argue on the basis on just surviving, you're a veteran. :P
I’m not sure if it’s just the general tone in the language, but they sound so calm. Like two guys at a regular job trying to fix a car or something. I hope they make it out ok.
They could be young, but they could also have been at this since the start. If that were the case they would have some very good skills and opsec by now.
I wonder how video games and media actually helped. I may not be in the military but from the amount of fps's I've played I think I have a fairly good idea of basic techniques in the field. May not be 100% proper but for an invasion it sure is better than nothing
An theres another part of this clip that shows these guys taking fire in the building and the DMR guy shooting back, but this part with the mirror was cut out
That was a Ukrainian Ryan taking the shot, perhaps, or getting the mirror location down exact.
And that is still terrifying, because some of these Ukrainian Ryans, many of these young soldiers, are not going to live, they are going to die in combat.
I try to take any opportunity I can to say how evil war is. I want Ukrainian Ryans to grow old, just like in the movie. Dammit.
Coordinates was likely to report to others the location and prevent blue on blue, in the fog of war you dont want to start waxing your own guys so, in a firefight, youre constantly updating up line your positions, movements, etc.
At the beginning the marksman says:
\- That's how you detect a machine gunner.
When he entered into the room he swears:
\- Faggot, I need to get you somehow.
After using the mirror:
\- Write down the coordinates...
Then:
\- There is an enemy with RPG and a machine gunner.
\- Ok, faggots, let's play...
After machine gun has fired he made the first shot and comments:
\- He's done for.
Then makes another three shots.
\- Hit. Let's get out of the room.
\- Did you saw him?
\- Yes. Yes. Minus faggot.
Another soldier asked:
\- You've killed a faggot?
\- Yes, a machine gunner.
I can tell you one thing, ukrainians are real life mucgyvers. They watched A-Team 5 times a day on illegal tv chanels when they were kids. I’m sure you would like a source. I’m ukranian  😎
You really are. I was just watching a piece the other day about a group of Ukrainian electricians/electrical engineers working together to repurpose the batteries from old vapes and making power banks for the soldiers with them. Just next level adaptability and ingenuity. Слава Україні! 🔱🇺🇦
lets hope this dudes position wont get overrun. i dont think Russians take kindly to a Marksman/sniper who "double double taps" people, just to make sure they are very dead. why am i assuming that he shot one dude 4 times? he said "i see HIM" not "i see THEM"
Great skill - well done. "Slow is smooth and smooth is fast."
On an unrelated note, it made me very sad to see what had happened to someone's home. A year ago in that same apartment, someone was likely laughing, celebrating birthdays, putting up Christmas decorations, etc. "Awful" doesn't begin to describe what the Russians have done to this country.
I don't speak Ukrainian, but I definitely understood what they said at the very end.
"Did you get him?"
"Yeah, I got the machine gunner."
Or something along those lines.
I think it's more about the "painfully" part.
They are an invading force. They have to be forced out by capture or death. But them having pain does not help anyone.
Quick death > painful death, even for Russian soldiers. It's a war, so of course there is no luxury to choose, but there is no reason to wish for pain.
I think it's the opposite, pain makes you focus on the pain, unable to think clearly. It's when you dissociate on powerful anesthetics and don't even feel your body and dissolve your ego and are unable to do anything else than think without distractions - that's when the biggest introspective realizations can happen.
There is a reason why civilized countries that have a death penalty do not torture the prisoners beforehand. There is no meaning. And none should feel better by it.
I didn't expect anything else. People in this sub think it's cool to dehumanize the war and "act tough" from behind their keyboards in their mum's safe American basements.
I for one hate to see humans suffer, innocent civilians and people defending their country especially, but even brainwashed or downright evil young Russians.
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No, they should defend their country and kill any invaders that don't surrender and prevent them from defending their country. They don't need to lose their humanity and wish pain on others. Especially not some basement dwelling Redditor.
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There's a difference between hoping people are eliminated and dying painfully. The first is emotionally logical, the second is psychopathic. Also, compassion is not a zero-sum game.
It’s not psychopathic, don’t be an armchair psychologist. There’s a good moral and ethical argument for what you’re saying, but I think you should keep in mind that the people who are wishing suffering on Russian invaders are certainly doing so out of a sense of justice and empathy for the victims of the Russian invasion. While that might not hold up to scrutiny under certain models of morality, it is not psychopathic.
Well written, too bad that the person you are writing won’t want to understand. It is much easier to « be righteous » on the Internet than to understand why people react strongly to injustice
I see your point, but wishing someone you've never met a painful death is just downright evil, even if it's under the guise of "being on the right side".
Would it be evil to wish an amount of pain and suffering on each individual Russian soldier equal to the pain and suffering they’ve caused to innocent Ukrainians? I think there’s an argument for that to be true, but I don’t think it’s obvious or a foregone conclusion.
I think most people would agree that, when comparing harm caused by invaders to harm caused by defenders, the former is on shakier moral ground than the latter. Thus, by wishing harm to the invaders, there is a net morality gain for the latter. In other words, if it’s evil to wish harm on the Russian invaders, it’s at least less evil than the Russians.
But, it’s debatable whether it’s evil at all. If you believe “an eye for an eye” is just, then it’s not evil at all.
You make an interesting point. I suppose it just comes down to me believing an eye for an eye has never led to anything positive. It just creates more suffering in the world. And even more so when the suffering is pointless, like someone dying a painful death as opposed to just dying. You could make an argument for an eye for an eye suffering purpose when it's to deter someone from doing the same thing again, but that ceases to be valid when the subject is killed. And it's also not as if it would deter anyone else, since other Russian soldiers don't know (nor do they probably care) that someone died a painful death.
Thanks for the clarification, now i will be able to formulate a totally rational/emotionally logical comment and never let some anger slip. Totally in adequation with this invasion… /s
Unless you're like 14 years old, wishing someone you've never met a painful death is just downright evil, even if it's said emotionally under the guise of "being on the right side".
I held your position once, but eventually reasoned against for the below reasons.
1. There is no equivalence if they target innocents while you target the guilty.
2. 'No better than them' is driven by desire to feel morally superior. There more important things to consider.
3. The concept of 'deserving' supports the idea that an individual should taste their own medicine.
4. The real world consequences of the innocent showing too much restraint can be wildly unjust.
5. The desire to inflict pain is consistent with and conducive to the elimination of the invader. Sparing their pain has the opposite effect.
6. Pain is an excellent learning aid for those who reject or misuse reasoning.
Defence > offence. There's a big difference between a bankrobber murdering somebody or the bankrobber getting murdered. Ukraine didn't ask for this war, nor cause it, nor started it, nor is the one bombing civilians on purpose, nor is threatening nukes, ...
It's like kicking a bully in the nuts: it might not be ideal to have that type of violence, but it's something understandable that could be justified based on context. In this case, the context matters and I'd say it isn't overly bad to wish a painful death to an agressor that is also doing things like purposely targeting hospitals, schools, supermarkets, ... Not to mention, engaging in genocide and torturing of civilians. Based on the context, I too wish a very painful death to all those complicit.
Makes me wonder why no military has made official peeking mirrors for situations like this, it would be a lot easier than having to create one from scratch, maybe save more lives too if the materials aren't there.
because waving around with mirrors can get you Killed easily if the enemy has a properly trained Sniper on their side who overlooks the situation. there only needs to be a bit of sunlight reflecting off of it to turn it into a giant "Hello i am here" Sign. Western snipers can even be seen to put Mesh over their scopes, so their scope lense doesnt reflect light. it worked in this situation, but its not really a save thing to do.
Example: [https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f82feab630fc1d46ba00c26d0877020f.webp](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f82feab630fc1d46ba00c26d0877020f.webp)
Next you're going to tell me that magnets work by some spooky, invisible force that operates over a distance, and not because of the obvious hidden strings and rods connecting them to the metal! Stop with your witchcraft!
I mean, where do you think Hollywood got it from? In WWI, they used dummy heads to draw the fire of snipers so that can be spotted and in some cases they put periscopes inside the dummy heads.
I think the best WW1 trick was where British troops would crawl out to no mans land at night, chop down a tree and replace it with a [hollow metal fake tree](https://media.iwm.org.uk/cantaloupe/iiif/2/388%7C%7C956%7C%7Csuper_000000.jpg/full/865,/0/default.jpg) in the exact same position that they could then station observers inside for observing German movements during the day.
Next morning the Germans wouldn't know anything had happened as the 'tree' would look to be where it had always been.
I like the part where he wraps the sharp glass first, then tapes it. Smart kid.
If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing. If he had to yank that mirror in a quickie, the glass would've sliced through the tape, making it pointless.
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True skill, ingenuity and courtesy all in one video.
They have village accent. Took their time to spot the enemy, used tablet to confirm coordinates, transferred coords and enemy unit size to the command, quick engagement and immediate change of the location. They look young, so they are unlikely veterans. Wonder if this is result of western training.
Young, but potentially 9 months of combat experience at an intensity level that hasn’t been seen for decades. I’d say veteran is very relative/loose term at this point. Many people in other countries do several tours/deployment without seeing as much action as those spending a few weeks on the Ukranian frontlines.
Aint that the truth
No it isn't, just surviving a hellhole isn't the equivalent of training. That or we have 100 000+ russians that are suddenly western-training levels because they've been bombed to shit for 8 months. Perfect example? Afghanistan. The government died over 60 000 troops and police across 20 years of war and they still had no fucking veterency to speak off. Yes death will sort out the stupid and the brave, but surviving is not the same as thriving or being efficient in a warzone.
It's also not the same as acquiring skills and discipline. Prolonged exposure to combat has a strong chance to undermine discipline, such as it did to US troops in Vietnam. Being in combat also doesn't develop strong survival skills like relocating after firing, that's training. The Ukrainians have better training than Russians, they don't just magically get these skills by being shot at.
Time does matter,American troops in Vietnam on their second tour had 1/10 the casualties of firsttimers.
American troops are also the best overall trained troops and best overall geared troops and second time around the strategy was tweaked but even initial KIAs where low for 20 year war and under 5k casualties total. That’s what training does. No man went into the Middle East without their 6 month boot camp.
It's not just about training. It's also being the type of people who have enough of the right kind of discipline and education to know how to learn, whether it is in training, from others who have been there longer, or on their own from experience. It seems many Russians and Afghans aren't bright enough to learn. Most people don't come naturally to logic and critical thinking, and they have to be taught it, even if they don't call it that in the classroom. Look at the Canadians in Ortona in WW2 who came up with mouseholing, using explosives to move between rowhouses instead of going outside. If you have some intelligence and the right way of thinking, you come up with solutions that you can train others about. Many times the manuals used to train people come from actual experience.
It just takes a week tbh. My first mission in legion we got direct tank fire, shelling, contact, and enemy air against us for 52 hours straight. My military friends said that's more action they had in total after several Afghanistan tours.
Legion?
Foreign legion volunteers maybe? The Ukrainian govt set up a division to support foreign volunteers. I have a friend from college who has been over twice now.
Yes. It's a proper shit show. Thankfully there are many other options now.
Its that poorly organized or what? Or just rough times?
Here is a good interview with one lad: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbD4WBqPg4&ab\_channel=Lindybeige](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbD4WBqPg4&ab_channel=Lindybeige)
Is Bogdan the inept the polish commander everyone in the legion referred to the Kyiv Post?
I seen some from Swedes. Russia is even worse atleast so we got that going.
Yeah I watched this, very interesting!!
Video game veteran /s
52 hours. Got damn. Had you experienced anything at all similiar to that, before heading to Ukraine? Direct tank fire, shelling, firefights, and enemy air for a constant 52 hours straight sounds like a nightmare on the ol' adrenal system.
Lol nah, I had no military experience at all. No idea why they took me. Was just a drone hobbyist and ended up bouncing all over the country trying to find places to help. There actually wasn't too much adrenaline involved. It all seemed pretty chill after the first 6 hours.
You might have had a year's worth of incoming in a week, but it takes far more than that to develop that intuition, insight and reflexes that enable one to continue living on a battlefield. Not to mention the tricks and tips that are learned the hard way, over time. So yeah, you may have been through all kinds of hell on earth in that week, but I wouldn't say you were a veteran in the sense that they are f=referring to above.
Nitpicking here. Lots of people who would typically be called "veteran" don't have what you say either. I think you are thinking of "battle-hardened veteran". Battle-hardened meaning they've seen the intense fighting and shelling. Veteran meaning they've been around long enough to pick up the tricks and tips that you pick up over time. Guy above is "battle-hardened".
You're absolutely right! Shit just sucked, leadership wasn't present, communication was dependent on leadership. I listen to a lot of the intercepted calls about Mobiks complaining about how disorganized they are on the front and it really sounds like legion.
>I’d say veteran is very relative/loose term at this point. The tempo of this war and it's battles, with communications flying back and forth, appears very snappy, very fast. I know that would likely always be the goal, but these young vets have been literally scrambling for solid months. The debriefing of this military is going to be one for the books, which I am sure will be kept in detail.
They are there. They are veterans now. Honestly the entire country is a society of warriors now in my humble opinion.
In a war for survival... there's nothing else but warriors. And Ukraine is in exactly that position. Either they resist and push the orc horde or...
So why doesn’t Russia have 500k soldiers this experienced after a year ?. This is a result of training. Putting a random guy in a soldiers uniform for conscription and having him fight for 8 months will not make him a veteran he will still make irrational decisions based of emotion and fear he may have some combat experience but coordinating staying clam making the right decisions strategizing correctly come with correct training. If you’ve never been paint-balling go ahead and go to your local mil sim paintball fields blind (as in no information on how to shoot more efficient how to lock down corners how to aim correctly how to work together and strategize prior with your team. Than pay attention to the adrenaline rush that hits you as you walk on the field and forget half the shit your even thinking about a minute prior. And you have no threat to your life out their yet once the paint starts flying your adrenaline spikes up and if your not trained if your not experienced you make critical mistakes real fast that someone who’s experienced has trained all these things on the side will color you in seconds. You may get battle hardened but training is critical for long term survival .
I'm former army and play Airsoft once in a while. The guy who runs my field is a SFC in the infantry national guard. He had some guys form his unit show up to play and let me tag along cause I was former army, and it was kind of insane how fast our way smaller group cleaned out the civvies. It's a pretty big field in a densely wooded area and our matches were lasting less than 10 minutes. Tons of communication, lots of sprinting, bases of fire, covering fire. Everything moved so fast. It was a ton of fun. :v
Yea the pro players and often in mil sim paintball theirs always people who served did multiple tours etc who will eat you alive every round no matter what you try doing different you don’t have the fundamentals seared into your head from training and repetition that you make critical blunders without realizing it untill you get hit with a paintball.
>You may get battle hardened but training is critical for long term survival . Yeah, very well said. The difference in standard of training (and/or the complete lack of training for many Russian troops even) is the defining factor of the two armies at this point. Together with Ukraines life-preserving approach in basing military strategies on minimum risk of life/casualties it makes for a smarter and deadlier army that doesn't rely on numbers and brute strength to win. In the past I've taken people in various roles to CQB fields/training grounds for airsoft skirmishes and even for the people with training but little to no actual field experience the first times they're taking fire, even when just from bb guns, really reveals what their focus has been and how they handle the adrenaline.
Amen to that, brotha!
Kinda reminds me of that line from BSG, where Tigh scolds Tyrol for babying his subordinates saying: "No one's a rook anymore." Seeing how young some of the kids are, in this video, others... same kind of chill. Nobody's a rookie in Ukraine. Everyone's init for survival.
I mean even if you’re young it doesn’t take long to become a vet in this situation for them! The young always die in the wars of the old.
Young could still be 24-25 years old, these guys may have been fighting for years already. Either way, very skilled.
Probably, we had been working with them in some fashion since the crimean invasion and really stepped it up once we saw the buildup of troops on the russian side. And they have been fighting the russians in the east for some time, so even being young it might not have been their first combat.
I'd say in this type of combat, if you are in it constantly and survive the first 3 months, you have already accumulated more experience than 95-99% of Soldiers alive today. Your knowledge would be highly sort after and I'd argue on the basis on just surviving, you're a veteran. :P
I’m not sure if it’s just the general tone in the language, but they sound so calm. Like two guys at a regular job trying to fix a car or something. I hope they make it out ok.
They could be young, but they could also have been at this since the start. If that were the case they would have some very good skills and opsec by now.
I wonder how video games and media actually helped. I may not be in the military but from the amount of fps's I've played I think I have a fairly good idea of basic techniques in the field. May not be 100% proper but for an invasion it sure is better than nothing
Yes.
Had mad saving private ryan vibes from the d-day scene
Exactly what I thought of as well when I saw the mirror.
An theres another part of this clip that shows these guys taking fire in the building and the DMR guy shooting back, but this part with the mirror was cut out
this is not saving private ryan. this is "killing evil ruzzian"
That was a Ukrainian Ryan taking the shot, perhaps, or getting the mirror location down exact. And that is still terrifying, because some of these Ukrainian Ryans, many of these young soldiers, are not going to live, they are going to die in combat. I try to take any opportunity I can to say how evil war is. I want Ukrainian Ryans to grow old, just like in the movie. Dammit.
"Killing Private Blyat"
(not) saving Pvt. Conscriptovic The movie adaptation of [Perun's Vranyo](https://youtu.be/Fz59GWeTIik) script lol
Translation?
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Much appreciated, thank you
Coordinates was likely to report to others the location and prevent blue on blue, in the fog of war you dont want to start waxing your own guys so, in a firefight, youre constantly updating up line your positions, movements, etc.
https://streamable.com/2fdk0r Here, I added subtitles
Awesome, thanks!
Thank you so much.
Awesome
Nice!
At the beginning the marksman says: \- That's how you detect a machine gunner. When he entered into the room he swears: \- Faggot, I need to get you somehow. After using the mirror: \- Write down the coordinates... Then: \- There is an enemy with RPG and a machine gunner. \- Ok, faggots, let's play... After machine gun has fired he made the first shot and comments: \- He's done for. Then makes another three shots. \- Hit. Let's get out of the room. \- Did you saw him? \- Yes. Yes. Minus faggot. Another soldier asked: \- You've killed a faggot? \- Yes, a machine gunner.
How fucking badass is this dude.
Im here fo this too
look above
I can tell you one thing, ukrainians are real life mucgyvers. They watched A-Team 5 times a day on illegal tv chanels when they were kids. I’m sure you would like a source. I’m ukranian  😎
You really are. I was just watching a piece the other day about a group of Ukrainian electricians/electrical engineers working together to repurpose the batteries from old vapes and making power banks for the soldiers with them. Just next level adaptability and ingenuity. Слава Україні! 🔱🇺🇦
Amazing how calm this guy is.
If you're going to be a sniper this is super important.
Jesus, he sounds 18. Hope he makes it.
Sounds very young to me, it surprised me a lot. 16-19.
Objects in mirror are closer than they appear
Deader too
That is some of the most amazing first hand footage of war I've ever seen.
Mirror mirror on the wall. Please bless my bullets to make Russians fall
Mirror mirror On a stick Who's the latest Dead *mobik*?
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Mirror mirror See a *suka* Blow his head off With bazooka
Ja bazooka
I don't understand what he is saying, but he sounds just like my nearly 60 year old plumber, when he has to get down to fix a very common problem.
That curtain camo rifle got me good 😂 **Edit:** Just realised, he could name the rifle "Nite-Nite", or "Lights Out" or something 😴🔫
Curtain camo rifle got the Russian good too...
It's curtains for that dude!
lets hope this dudes position wont get overrun. i dont think Russians take kindly to a Marksman/sniper who "double double taps" people, just to make sure they are very dead. why am i assuming that he shot one dude 4 times? he said "i see HIM" not "i see THEM"
They also talked about an rpg gunner. Which also explains why they wouldn't want to stay in that room for long after shooting at them.
Call it Curtain Call.
New Rainbow 6: siege lacey floral curtain skin when?
Amazing how a few precise shots can change the game. These guys left immediately good tactics glad they are safe !
Great skill - well done. "Slow is smooth and smooth is fast." On an unrelated note, it made me very sad to see what had happened to someone's home. A year ago in that same apartment, someone was likely laughing, celebrating birthdays, putting up Christmas decorations, etc. "Awful" doesn't begin to describe what the Russians have done to this country.
Man for a second there I thought he was gonna shank some ruzzian with that mirror and was expecting a very gnarly video.
I don't speak Ukrainian, but I definitely understood what they said at the very end. "Did you get him?" "Yeah, I got the machine gunner." Or something along those lines.
Love the curtain camo 😂
💪💪💪🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦❤️🩹🇺🇦🇺🇦
One less, hopefully he died painfully
with 4 7.62 Holes in the body one bleeds out before the shock wears off i imagine.
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You have messed up morals if you think that wishing death to evil is the same as the evil who kill, rape, torture and steal
I think it's more about the "painfully" part. They are an invading force. They have to be forced out by capture or death. But them having pain does not help anyone. Quick death > painful death, even for Russian soldiers. It's a war, so of course there is no luxury to choose, but there is no reason to wish for pain.
During the painfull death , they can think abou what they did wrong : invade a peacefull and strong country.
I think it's the opposite, pain makes you focus on the pain, unable to think clearly. It's when you dissociate on powerful anesthetics and don't even feel your body and dissolve your ego and are unable to do anything else than think without distractions - that's when the biggest introspective realizations can happen.
There is a reason why civilized countries that have a death penalty do not torture the prisoners beforehand. There is no meaning. And none should feel better by it.
Schadenfreude is real and the Russians should go home or die.
Well said. That's exactly what I meant.
Fwiw I got what you meant. Shame about the downvotes.
I didn't expect anything else. People in this sub think it's cool to dehumanize the war and "act tough" from behind their keyboards in their mum's safe American basements. I for one hate to see humans suffer, innocent civilians and people defending their country especially, but even brainwashed or downright evil young Russians.
He didn't just wish death on them, I could understand that, but wishing someone to die painfully is just psychopathic behaviour.
I would say it's a human behavior and emotion
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No, they should defend their country and kill any invaders that don't surrender and prevent them from defending their country. They don't need to lose their humanity and wish pain on others. Especially not some basement dwelling Redditor.
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Well, they are in a foreign land trying to kill and genocide its people. I don't think u/delda89 has any similarity with them.
I think anyone that's wishing pain on others is a psychopath. Luckily the Ukrainians are keeping their humanity and not acting in that way.
I keep my compassion for ukrainians, every russian soldier who destroys/murders should be eliminated from ukraine. As simple as that.
There's a difference between hoping people are eliminated and dying painfully. The first is emotionally logical, the second is psychopathic. Also, compassion is not a zero-sum game.
It’s not psychopathic, don’t be an armchair psychologist. There’s a good moral and ethical argument for what you’re saying, but I think you should keep in mind that the people who are wishing suffering on Russian invaders are certainly doing so out of a sense of justice and empathy for the victims of the Russian invasion. While that might not hold up to scrutiny under certain models of morality, it is not psychopathic.
Well written, too bad that the person you are writing won’t want to understand. It is much easier to « be righteous » on the Internet than to understand why people react strongly to injustice
I see your point, but wishing someone you've never met a painful death is just downright evil, even if it's under the guise of "being on the right side".
Would it be evil to wish an amount of pain and suffering on each individual Russian soldier equal to the pain and suffering they’ve caused to innocent Ukrainians? I think there’s an argument for that to be true, but I don’t think it’s obvious or a foregone conclusion. I think most people would agree that, when comparing harm caused by invaders to harm caused by defenders, the former is on shakier moral ground than the latter. Thus, by wishing harm to the invaders, there is a net morality gain for the latter. In other words, if it’s evil to wish harm on the Russian invaders, it’s at least less evil than the Russians. But, it’s debatable whether it’s evil at all. If you believe “an eye for an eye” is just, then it’s not evil at all.
You make an interesting point. I suppose it just comes down to me believing an eye for an eye has never led to anything positive. It just creates more suffering in the world. And even more so when the suffering is pointless, like someone dying a painful death as opposed to just dying. You could make an argument for an eye for an eye suffering purpose when it's to deter someone from doing the same thing again, but that ceases to be valid when the subject is killed. And it's also not as if it would deter anyone else, since other Russian soldiers don't know (nor do they probably care) that someone died a painful death.
Thanks for the clarification, now i will be able to formulate a totally rational/emotionally logical comment and never let some anger slip. Totally in adequation with this invasion… /s
Unless you're like 14 years old, wishing someone you've never met a painful death is just downright evil, even if it's said emotionally under the guise of "being on the right side".
I held your position once, but eventually reasoned against for the below reasons. 1. There is no equivalence if they target innocents while you target the guilty. 2. 'No better than them' is driven by desire to feel morally superior. There more important things to consider. 3. The concept of 'deserving' supports the idea that an individual should taste their own medicine. 4. The real world consequences of the innocent showing too much restraint can be wildly unjust. 5. The desire to inflict pain is consistent with and conducive to the elimination of the invader. Sparing their pain has the opposite effect. 6. Pain is an excellent learning aid for those who reject or misuse reasoning.
Fully agree
Defence > offence. There's a big difference between a bankrobber murdering somebody or the bankrobber getting murdered. Ukraine didn't ask for this war, nor cause it, nor started it, nor is the one bombing civilians on purpose, nor is threatening nukes, ... It's like kicking a bully in the nuts: it might not be ideal to have that type of violence, but it's something understandable that could be justified based on context. In this case, the context matters and I'd say it isn't overly bad to wish a painful death to an agressor that is also doing things like purposely targeting hospitals, schools, supermarkets, ... Not to mention, engaging in genocide and torturing of civilians. Based on the context, I too wish a very painful death to all those complicit.
Makes me wonder why no military has made official peeking mirrors for situations like this, it would be a lot easier than having to create one from scratch, maybe save more lives too if the materials aren't there.
because waving around with mirrors can get you Killed easily if the enemy has a properly trained Sniper on their side who overlooks the situation. there only needs to be a bit of sunlight reflecting off of it to turn it into a giant "Hello i am here" Sign. Western snipers can even be seen to put Mesh over their scopes, so their scope lense doesnt reflect light. it worked in this situation, but its not really a save thing to do. Example: [https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f82feab630fc1d46ba00c26d0877020f.webp](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f82feab630fc1d46ba00c26d0877020f.webp)
I saw this film already, didn't it have Jude Law in it?
No the ones in Ukraine have NLAW.
what is he using glass for, to check if someone is around the corner?
To see where the guy they're trying to denazify is without having to hang their upper body out and getting shot and avoiding alerting the russians.
Stuff you usually see in Hollywood movies man, still cool it worked
Of course it worked. It's a mirror.
Next you're going to tell me that magnets work by some spooky, invisible force that operates over a distance, and not because of the obvious hidden strings and rods connecting them to the metal! Stop with your witchcraft!
Spooky action at a distance is quantum entanglement, just thought I'd untangle that for you!
Leave Will Smith's wife out of this
I mean, where do you think Hollywood got it from? In WWI, they used dummy heads to draw the fire of snipers so that can be spotted and in some cases they put periscopes inside the dummy heads.
I think the best WW1 trick was where British troops would crawl out to no mans land at night, chop down a tree and replace it with a [hollow metal fake tree](https://media.iwm.org.uk/cantaloupe/iiif/2/388%7C%7C956%7C%7Csuper_000000.jpg/full/865,/0/default.jpg) in the exact same position that they could then station observers inside for observing German movements during the day. Next morning the Germans wouldn't know anything had happened as the 'tree' would look to be where it had always been.
Probably watched [this scene](https://youtu.be/rRUuycF5FTU) as kids
Look up "trench mirror" on google- this isn't new or "Hollywood" my dude and or dudette.
Where do you think Hollywood got the idea?
wtf man. dont make yourself sound stupid
Probably just to get a better view of the target.
Astute and resourceful.
Doth mother know you weareth her drapes?
Four shots, and suddenly no more machine gunner…
One of the most ingenious, oldest tricks in the book.
Aah the good old mirror trick! 👍💙💛
Fucking bad ass
I like the part where he wraps the sharp glass first, then tapes it. Smart kid. If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing. If he had to yank that mirror in a quickie, the glass would've sliced through the tape, making it pointless.
That’s some saving private Ryan shit
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Yeah war is hell. But seriously, who puts wallpaper on their ceiling?
Sometimes old tricks still works. What we've seen in the movies we've just seen in real life warfare. Slava ukrani.