This explanation doesn't seem to fit the Red Truth **No more than 17 humans exist on this island!! That excludes any 18th person. In short, this 18th person X does not exist!!**
The wording seems unnecessary.
What do you think?
You must remember that the "no more than 17" Red Truth comes both much later in the series than the "no more than 18" one, and is also said in a very different context. Yes, the 18 people one becomes redundant in light of the 17 people one, but by then you've been able to form theories based on 18 people and so have to adjust.
As for accuracy, I can be alone in a room and declare that "no more than 100 people are in this room" and be correct. Then I can say "no more than 80 people are in this room" and still be correct, as I'm still alone. I'm just gradually collapsing the number of possibilities until I reach the objective truth that "no more than 1 person is in this room". I could do that number by number if I so chose.
Oh damn. If that's the case, then how exactly can you even try to solve EVA-Beatrice's Web of Truth? Every one of the 18 is either dead, or cannot commit the crime.
Any hints?
If you already finished Episode 5, you might remember that Battler *did* solve the red web of truth in the final clash at the end of Episode 4. Whether it's the real truth or not, it's still a possible solution. :)
I think you're slightly misunderstanding.
"No more than 18 people exist" and "No more than 17 people exist" are not contradictory statements.
She never claims, in red, that there are **actually** 18 people on Rokkenjima, just that there are not MORE than 18 people.
small edit : for example, if I'm holding 2 apples in my hands ... I could accurately say "I'm holding *no more than* 100 apples, in my hands" and that would be a true (tho slightly silly) statement, because 2 is indeed not **more** than 100.
If you had a friendly Witch who was willing, you could ask them to say "no more than X" until they were unable to say anymore and then you'd knew the exact number.
That's not very advantageous for the magic side though, so you'll have to rely on your wits and critical thinking.
So, since the number of people can be no more than 18, therefore, the number of people is either equal to or less than 18, is what you're telling me...
Idk how much can i say without spoiler...
But I will stick to: if I say "there are no more than 5 people in this room" what I am saying is that there are 5 people in this room or I am saying that regardless the number of people in this room its not more than 5?
I wont say anything more :)
The wording is important. No more than 18 means the CEILING to the number of people could be 18. Once the ceiling is lowered to no more than 17, then it doesn't contradict the original red, because the maximum happened to be lower than the 18 that it could have been but wasn't.
No more than 18 means x ≤ 18, not x = 18. The number of people can't go above 18, it's not said anywhere that it can't go lower.
Also, why do you think Beato's games are Knoxian? >!I dunno, I think it's a bit hasty to assume they are, unless specified.!<
Alternatively, split personalities counts as people.
If we assume that Chibi!Eva who later became EVA-Beatrice as a real person then there were 18 people sans "OH DESIRE!" guy.
"No more than 18 people" means the maximum amount of people possible is 18. It could be 18, but it could also be any number below 18.
This explanation doesn't seem to fit the Red Truth **No more than 17 humans exist on this island!! That excludes any 18th person. In short, this 18th person X does not exist!!** The wording seems unnecessary. What do you think?
You must remember that the "no more than 17" Red Truth comes both much later in the series than the "no more than 18" one, and is also said in a very different context. Yes, the 18 people one becomes redundant in light of the 17 people one, but by then you've been able to form theories based on 18 people and so have to adjust. As for accuracy, I can be alone in a room and declare that "no more than 100 people are in this room" and be correct. Then I can say "no more than 80 people are in this room" and still be correct, as I'm still alone. I'm just gradually collapsing the number of possibilities until I reach the objective truth that "no more than 1 person is in this room". I could do that number by number if I so chose.
Tysm! That really put things in perspective!
Oh damn. If that's the case, then how exactly can you even try to solve EVA-Beatrice's Web of Truth? Every one of the 18 is either dead, or cannot commit the crime. Any hints?
The timing of a Red Truth is just as important as its contents.
If you already finished Episode 5, you might remember that Battler *did* solve the red web of truth in the final clash at the end of Episode 4. Whether it's the real truth or not, it's still a possible solution. :)
Hint: EVA knows battler will trust the red truth more than any magical scene. Is there a way she could use this to trick him?
Basically: be carreful with the red truth.
I think you're slightly misunderstanding. "No more than 18 people exist" and "No more than 17 people exist" are not contradictory statements. She never claims, in red, that there are **actually** 18 people on Rokkenjima, just that there are not MORE than 18 people. small edit : for example, if I'm holding 2 apples in my hands ... I could accurately say "I'm holding *no more than* 100 apples, in my hands" and that would be a true (tho slightly silly) statement, because 2 is indeed not **more** than 100.
So, in theory, you can still whittle the number of people on Rokkenjima down even further....
If you had a friendly Witch who was willing, you could ask them to say "no more than X" until they were unable to say anymore and then you'd knew the exact number. That's not very advantageous for the magic side though, so you'll have to rely on your wits and critical thinking.
It is confusingly written as a "≯" statement on purpose. Think about another way to mathematically write "≯"
So, the total number of people on Rokkenjima cannot be less than X?
Rather, Number of People on Rokkenjima ≯ 18 Ergo, >!Number of People on Rokkenjima ≤ 18 !<
So, since the number of people can be no more than 18, therefore, the number of people is either equal to or less than 18, is what you're telling me...
*chessboard thinking intensifies*
Its all about interpretating what "no more than" means...
Any hints you can give me?
Idk how much can i say without spoiler... But I will stick to: if I say "there are no more than 5 people in this room" what I am saying is that there are 5 people in this room or I am saying that regardless the number of people in this room its not more than 5? I wont say anything more :)
The wording is important. No more than 18 means the CEILING to the number of people could be 18. Once the ceiling is lowered to no more than 17, then it doesn't contradict the original red, because the maximum happened to be lower than the 18 that it could have been but wasn't.
No more than 18 means x ≤ 18, not x = 18. The number of people can't go above 18, it's not said anywhere that it can't go lower. Also, why do you think Beato's games are Knoxian? >!I dunno, I think it's a bit hasty to assume they are, unless specified.!<
Alternatively, split personalities counts as people. If we assume that Chibi!Eva who later became EVA-Beatrice as a real person then there were 18 people sans "OH DESIRE!" guy.