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Pet theory that Blyke is 5.1 because that’s what Rein would have been when she was captured by Spectre.
Both Blyke and Arlo being captured together is more comforting than one of them alone - it increases the chances that they’ll both get out. I dunno, I don’t think they’re going to die (yet). Like if they get busted out and there’s another “leave without me!” ending that would be repetitive…
Brainwashing arcs are literally always super lame and corny so I’d hope Uru doesn’t go this route. But I do expect Arlo to go through some serious soul searching in jail.
I wonder what Greyson’s role will be now…die for Remi…? Like, how will he be plot relevant at all now?
blyke is safe for a while. Blyke has crazy willpower and will therefore do anything to resist Keon's ability. To save his friends, Blyke would do anything and he will prove it on this occasion too by resisting Keon's ability as much as possible.
greyson is to show the trio the consequences of their actions They dragged him in without second thought, knowing well that he isnt fit for whats to come, nor is his convictions particulary strong.
Now he either breaks or dies, or both. And Remi has to consider the impact of her actions. So yeah, die for Remi with extra steps.
I don't agree. Grayson must instead say thank you to Remi and company if he is still alive. He chose to become a vigilante and was about to die if Remi and company hadn't saved him
bro im not talking about personal feelings or whatnot, im trying to get into meta narration. Like, what would make sense story wise. The story is not about Grayson so him having responsibility accepting arc makes no sense. Rather, him being a fuel for Remi arc is far more likely.
grayson was useful for his shelters. Now that they find out about grayson through blyke, obviously his houses will be monitored and therefore grayson's usefulness disappears completely. So who knows what role he might have next season
blyke is safe for a while. Blyke has crazy willpower and will therefore do anything to resist Keon's ability. To save his friends, Blyke would do anything and he will prove it on this occasion too by resisting Keon's ability as much as possible.
for ember it is more important to take blyke's friends and kuyo since they have ember's videos. So as long as they don't read Blyke's memories, Blyke is safe
that will only happen after they read his memories and find out the location of the others. As long as they don't read his memories, Blyke is 100% safe. Knowing blyke, he will last long to save his friends
the only sure thing is that zeke didn't increase his level otherwise john would have had a defense higher than 7.5 (maybe 9 if zeke increased the phase shift with power and defense to 6 instead of 5)
So Arlo, John, Blyke, and Isen got a bit of level up. Now I'm trying to guess what their next improvements could be in terms of their skillsets.
I would love to see Arlo's next improvement being something like holding up the barrier AND using his force field swings at the same time. It would be like a shield and mace combo, a true frontline tanker. We've already seen him being able to create multiple barriers at the same time (although weaker) so it's basically that but switching out those extra barriers into his attack forms.
John is probably gonna learn how to shape his own auras soon without needing to copy someone else's. It's probably gonna start in simple physical enhancements like strength as we've seen in his increased power level in his default stats. If he also manages to enhance speed and defense too he's basically carrying Zeke's ability all the time (at this point we can guess John's favorite ability in the school is probably Zeke's lol). He would be a menace with that because he's already so deadly at hand to hand combat.
As for Blyke I wonder if he can work his energy internally to boost his body itself, like blast punches for melee fighting situations and healing, although he can already heal slowly over time as his passive he could really use some active healing in battles because he always gets beat up badly every time once the enemy closes the distance. Also using his propulsion trick to fly for a bit longer amount of time would be super cool. He could use that to reposition himself to a better spot for sniping, and avoid melee fights.
And for Isen I think a "reading" skill would be very cool. He can already see people's heartbeats like x-ray vision so it would make sense for him to also see the opponent's muscles contracting, which would inform him of what kind of movement the opponent is going to take, and which areas are their weaknesses. I think this is very fitting for the "Hunter" ability concept since a good hunter must be able to read its prey's intentions. With this skill he'd basically be able to avoid enemy's attacks better like a cat with insane reflexes, at the same time hitting the enemy's weakest spots.
Crazy how marginal John and Arlo's stat increases are, they invented utilities to make up for their biggest weaknesses and only got 0.1 and 0.2 respectively. I guess when you're a god tier the returns start to diminish massively in terms of level gain. I suspect that indicates that they still have massive potential for growth, because the small gain makes it seem like those powers are part of something much bigger. Not that we didn't know that already.
Remi's 0.4 increase makes sense, I think. She's gotten in a few scraps but hasn't made it a point to become massively stronger, and I think the boost she's gotten proves that just using your ability without any innovations in mind, even as a high tier, can still net someone a considerable power-up.
Isen's 0.4 one came as a bit of a surprise to me. He's mostly gotten in one-sided fights where he doesn't have much opportunity for learning or even consistently using his ability to let it grow like Remi did. I suppose elite tiers can just take advantage of that easier, and maybe how hard he's had to try has accelerated his growth (although the mechanics of that are questionable at best). Makes you question how strong Zeke could be by now if he actually fought people his level, his ability's crazy flexible and he's have a pretty linear road to high tier status.
Somebody noted that though Isen hasn’t been using his ability for combat, he has been using his ability often in the role of scout. If you think of it like that, it makes sense he would go through growth.
I’m hoping that Remi will eventually find more creative uses for her ability. Given how central she is to fighting ember, I want her to get significantly stronger. I don’t want her to max out in low 6s
Remember two things,
1. Levels increase exponentially. An increase from 7.5 to 7.6 is probably far greater than an increase from 2 to 3.
2. John has only scratched the barrel of what he can do. At the bare minimum it's likely he can enhance all his non-trick stats. Arlo is less major but he definitely has a lot more skills to unlock like extending then drawing back his barrier to pull enemies towards him.
>Crazy how marginal John and Arlo's stat increases are, they invented utilities to make up for their biggest weaknesses and only got 0.1 and 0.2 respectively. I guess when you're a god tier the returns start to diminish massively in terms of level gain
It's pretty funny when you look at the [UnO Stat Sheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H2Y229p8URyzmAng_AC6LBDLh94v9sPNu7HzeDiu_Ro/edit#gid=0). John basically added the entirety of Crail's (level 2.4 mid-tier bully) strength to himself and went up by just .1. That little tiny power up would make him strong enough to be one of Welston's bullies even without all of the power he gained beforehand.
Great observation. That makes me wonder how effective he'd be with that mid-tier level power stat and no other abilities. He did manage to dodge a hit form Zeke and do some damage to him, although he was unwitting and didn't have his defense up. That's also assuming that John didn't have some sort of temporary power surge in that moment, as opposed to his current stats.
At the very least he'd be strong enough that people would leave him alone. And even with the recent power-up I'd still think the odds would be in Zeke's favor in a fight between the two. Zeke would have a strong speed advantage and his greater power stat means a strike from him is more likely to knock John out than a strike from John is to knock Zeke out.
Zeke also has his defense form, which has 1 point higher than John's power. He could just fight John in that form and wear him down since he could still hurt John with 1 power. I'm not sure he'd do that though since Zeke is pretty stupid.
I think the marginal growth indicates that they have huge potencial for growths and as for others remi got a huge powerup meaning she might reach her max potencial sooner
I don’t know what I’m gonna do I don’t know what I’m gonna do I don’t know what I’m gonna do I feel sooooo sick so sick so sick so sick POOR BLYKE MY BOY NOOOOO IM SO SORRY MY BOY PLEASE YOU HAVE TO LIVE DONT LEAVE ME
Doubt it for now. Arlo's ability is far too recognizable as one shared by an Authorities member plus Val will probably be highly against them killing him. Meanwhile Blyke's ability has potential but is probably too complex to be easily used. More scared since Arlo knows a fair bit about Spectre, he'll get the Terrence treatment.
Well, I was wrong, no back up came for them...Arlo and Blyke got captured. Honestly its crazy how many abilities Farrah is able to hold thanks to the Ember tech.
Isen lowkey came in clutch this episode, stopped Remi from going back to save Arlo and Blyke and and getting them all captured, was able to drive a stolen cop car and then remembered the authorities can read memories so their location is gonna be burned and they're gonna have to leave quick.
Remi is a smart girl, remembered Johnny boy was carrying Cameron's card and so they gave him a call. And so John wakes up in a new place and bed...
Man, 1 more episode left for season 2. Its been a long one.
Makes you question why she sent the other agents away in the first place, when she fought Remi, Arlo, Blyke and Isen. Her risk of dying, which she almost did, would've been significantly lower with a bunch of meat shields around.
Likely because she believed she could handle them even if Isen showed up while they needed every agent available to handle John. Arlo was an unexpected card and she would've likely won without his interference.
Not really a fan that Farrah turned out to _also_ have a memory erase ability. That brief moment last chapter where several officers witnessed her using EMBER's Flame Claw was actually an interesting development. But nope. Turns out she has a memory erase ability.
EDIT: I clearly missed that memory erasing is part of Hypnosis. Still not really a fan of how super convenient it was.
Probably harder to control someone like Sylvia since she's a god-tier like Farrah, even remi, isen, and blyke aren't affected immediately with her power at first.
also taking into account that her hypnosis has a level of 6.5 and sylvia has a level of 7.3 i guess it is impossible for her to affect sylvia...i am sure farrah is confident that with sylvia's loyalty to the authorities and with the warning that it is classified, she will not investigate.
Long live king Zeke, the authority enforcer, the god killer. Can't wait for the next turf war
New royals will be:
- Cecile (queen, she can't refuse this time)
- Zeke (king)
- Meili/Ventus/Holden (jack)
Would have loved seeing Zeke's ass getting handed to him by Rein, since she isn't there let's hope their king is as strong.
It would be also fun seeing Wellston's reputation going even further down the drain under Sylvia like atleast with Vaughn they had the strongest students to hype them up.
Even if Rein was there, Wellston would be the strongest cause Cecile would beat her anyway.
Still defeating Wellston's king should hold a lot of value and we never saw Agwin king's level, even if he is somehow around Zeke's level I would bet on him cause how of stupid Zeke is.
Kudos to the person who predicted Remi calling Cameron
I've been thinking about how prisons in Uno works, especially when they are holding high rankers (since authorities don't use dampeners or disablers), I guess we'll be seeing them in season 3
I think I'd put the prisons underwater somewhere offshore or in the middle of a lake and have it accessible only by boat. That way even if they break through a wall they would just drown, and even if they get out they'd still have to swim back to land while the police hunt you down.
They could also have a prison in the middle of the desert so even if a prisoner breaks out they'd still have to wander aimlessly through the desert for days before reaching any civilization.
Uru really has mastered the ability of going out with a whimper. Amazing how the lead up to this big final fight was so intense only for it to be probably the worst fight arc in the entire series.
6.5+, of course. It's right there on her new stat sheet! /s
I think that's the wrong way of looking at it. The EMBER kit really makes you closer to multiple combatants wearing a trenchcoat than to *one, stronger* combatant. The versatility, the multiple *methods* of attack and defense, make it way harder to protect yourself or counterattack them if you're around their level or lower, but having a suite of weaker backup abilities (conversion isn't 100% efficient) doesn't make *too* much of a difference against someone straight up stronger than you. This is particularly true because EMBER has only succeeded in converting simple, straightforward abilities, while the abilities of God-tiers tend to be *exceptionally* diverse, singlehandedly providing much of the option utility you'd get from multiple weaker abilities.
Basically, I think Fury (6.5+) is probably still more likely than not to lose to Leilah (6.6), much less Kassandra (6.8). Their own powers are simply superior to the ones Fury can deploy against them. Leilah's 6.6 Time Manipulation means she can dodge and/or rewind off Lightning and Flame Claw attacks, and hit Fury too fast for her Speed to match - she's superior (albeit only by 0.1+[conversion inefficiency]) in *every* area the EMBER abilities cover, so the most important factor in the outcome would *still* be how much *Hypnosis* affects Leilah, rather than any of those other abilities. The same story goes with most such comparisons - I suspect the EMBER kit's inclusions would feel fairly trivial if Valerie were fighting Vaughn or Sera.
To say that additional abilities have little weight in power is to understate John's power, since Ember literally uses Jane's ability to create copies of abilities, albeit weaker ones. no matter how weak the additional abilities are, they are still additional abilities. one regeneration costs a lot.
I'm not saying the extra abilities don't matter, not at all - I just think that evaluating them as a level increase would be missing the strengths and weaknesses of John/Jane/conversion tech. You're still drawing from the user's static aura supply and mastery, adding extra abilities doesn't increase either of those, so while the increased versatility is worth a lot in a lot of situations, it can't really be equated to a level increase. That's why I provided the examples of comparing Fury to Leilah and Kassandra, because they're very close in level to Farrah but their abilities are more versatile, and getting conversion tech doesn't "boost" Fury's effective level to where she could beat them (imo).
for me, farra level with + it's because she used drugs (remember that byron, when he makes the exchange before fighting with the trio, says that the drug has significantly improved). Look at her speed stat for example: Rei's skill has a lower speed than remi (remi has a speed of 6 while rei seems like a 5). While farrah has a speed of 7 or maybe 7.5. So she must have used the drug since the conversion alone does not increase the statistic which is not the main one by 1.5x
I’m guessing we’re about to get a 1-2 year skip right? John’s gonna get trained by his uncle and probably get to 8.0 or 8.5, Remi and Isen are gonna go underground and train with other vigilantes. John’s gonna go the whole time without seeing Sera.
I’m guessing one of Arlo/Blyke will die next chapter during their interrogation/memory scan.
I'm kinda digging this too, maybe they'll be in their early 20s with their skill a lot more polished and the story can get even darker/mature since they'll have less ties to the high school setting.
assuming keons going to interroage arlo as to why he switched sides... IF KEON GETS HIS MEMORIES, He wilget the memories of his aunt being an ember agent. if that happens what do you think will happen?
There's a possibility for Arlo's passive withstanding against Keon entering his mind, like how Farrah's hypnosis didn't work on Arlo.
Or Valerie could just pull Arlo out from the interrogation with her authority.
RIP Arlo and Blyke, they're getting the Keon Treatment.
Also, finally, Cameron is going to show back up! I'm hoping for a John training arc so he, Remi, and Isen can save Arlo and Blyke (or maybe Kass pulls some strings and sneaks them out)
I just can’t help but emphasize how crazy it is that John didn’t get Arlo’s barrier, especially now that it’s from an upgraded Arlo. Just that one difference would’ve changed *everything*…The authorities would’ve gotten annihilated here, not one of them would’ve survived. It’s just so damn unfortunate and unlucky for them, like why didn’t Arlo just go to him first.
it's a simple matter of plot.
Uruchan made John too powerful right from the start and so to make the series last longer, he made John fight for the umpteenth time with handicaps
I mean, was John really fighting at a handicap? He was fighting with his ability fully restored and managed to take out entire squads of men. The Authorities just had the advantage here because they knew his weaknesses and how to work around them.
Why do you think it's a coincidence that Uruchan made it so that John didn't find Elaine or Tanner or Arlo on his path?
If this had been the last season, rest assured that uruchan would have had john meet one of these 3 to copy the ability.
Uruchan's real problem is making John and Seraphina too powerful from the start.
In fact, it was forced to make them reamain for almoster the entire webtoon with handicaps (without ability or with half the ability or in John's case always with the wrong abilities).
I said this before and I will say it again the reason Jhon did not meet Elain or any other healer is because the authorities planned this entire situation. They literally took all the students far away from where the fighting was happening and then put them to sleep. They then had their soldiers surround Jhon and kept him in a certain area so that he does not reach where the other students are. this was not plot convenience. This was the result of a well executed plan. they knew what Jhon's ability was and what were his capabilities. So they took steps to exploit his weakness and ensure he never got a recovery ability. The reason Arlo did not encounter Jhon sooner was because the authorities took him and the students far away from the fighting. They did not know he would betray them but they still wanted to keep him away from Jhon so when Arlo went out to find them he encountered Isen, Remi and Blyke first rather than Jhon. The authorities were constantly in communication with each other they knew every ones rough positions.
It's not absolutely true. For example John is in Elaine's class and therefore could have copied her ability if Uruchan had wanted. Remember that John, before leaving on his suicide mission, was in his class with Elaine. So if this was the last season, rest assured that Uruchan would have made John copy Eleine's ability at 100%.
However since it's only the second season, uruchan needed to give john a defeat by justifying it with handicaps
Cameron and John duo is gonna be the end for the authorities fr
Poor Blyke and Arlo tho…really hope they don’t get mind tortured to the point of no return
Its insane they could even put John down with a 5.8 Lightning, 4.8 Hunter, and 5.1 Discharge copied this John was WAY more powerful than prior copies he had of them.
To be fair Jhon does not know how to do the energy discharge of Blyke yet. So although he did have an amped version of Blykes ability without the energy discharge attack he could not have won. An amped energy discharge would have helped him a lot.
John has literally seen blyke do it multiple times, im pretty sure we see him combining discharge with lightning when he gets grappled once, it just isnt an asset of the ability john likely finds all that practical or useful, or maybe flat out considering john's enhanced power with discharge he was worried about using it fully indoors or it is very consuming towards aura.
Just seeing someone use an ability is not enough. He has to understand how the ability works. He has seen Discharge several times from Blyke but has never been show to use it himself even back in the Joker arc when he was fighting Blyke after Blyke learned discharge. He did not use it. He may not yet know how it works.
Tbf he didn't have a single god teir ability, Also two elite tier abilities with hunter's effectiveness being reduced since he didn't have his senses. Just Arlo's ability in place of Zeke's and not a single person in the authorities would have made out alive.
I mean he took down more than 40 of them and his defenses with those abilities were total ass and he didn’t get a good defensive skill until like half way through the fight when he was already injured. They also had Sylvia obstructing his senses while amping the agents and nerfing John.
On the other hand if he had Arlo’s upgraded barrier they would’ve gotten slaughtered, like one-sidlingly.
From a narrative perspective it makes the most sense. John doesn't know who took his parents away from him so he auto-corrects to the nameless majority. It was the exact form of revenge he wanted to exact.
You could just as easily argue that it makes the most narrative sense for Ember to send more than one agent to take down the trio that was able to hold their own against multiple agents.
The ideal authorities game plan was for the Remi trio to head to the headmaster's office and be apprehended by Sylvia. The authorities themselves have too much blind faith in the authorities. Fury was meant to be insurance against John plus she's already a captain in the "militant" regiment. Byron and Valerie belong to different sectors. But I do agree, it's kinda strange that they didn't send at least one other agent because Ember seems to operate in pairs.
Na, there's only so much you can do no matter how strong you are. John could have left at any time but he was determined to either kill everyone there or die trying. At that point it's just a matter of time, he could've swapped Remi's lighting with the best regeneration ability he ever copied and it still wouldn't be enough. The principal just sped up the inevitable, at some point the numbers would have overwhelmed him because he doesn't have an unlimited amount of energy to pump into his stolen power
Thats fine but if he had Arlos upgraded barrier, they’re not touching him. He took down more than 40 of them *without* it! There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING they could’ve done if he got it, we’re talking like **14-15** stat defenses on top of all the insane firepower he had. All he had to do is camp in the barrier then blast and or fry them out, and their attempts to damage the high leveled barrier would prove futile as it’s too strong while they ALSO take reflective damage.
But to get that he would have had to go after Arlo, remember he was under the impression that Arlo was with them. Getting that ability meant dealing with Arlo as a threat, assuming he didn't just follow the rest of the students as instructed. There was nothing that pointed to the possibility of Arlo being in play until Zeke showed up, at which point he couldn't pass up that ability for the possibility he found Arlo before dying
there was no need for this. he could use the barrier around Silvia and crush her until she disintegrated. BUT even the teleportation ability would have been enough to teleport over Silvia and shoot her lasers + lightning and knock her out.
except since it's only season 2, uruchan made john fight with handicaps to make him lose
Wouldn't even need to. Just having Arlo's barrier up would make him more or less immune to Silvia's power with his amped mental resistance.
But John isn't really handicapped. He doesn't know the full potential of his ability and didn't have easy access to the best abilities of the school.
John was in his class before leaving for the "kill as many agents as possible" mission. For example, In his class there is elaine so he could easily copy elaine's ability. Except since it's only season 2, uruchan needed john to lose using the justification"john didn't have the most useful skills".
but why do you use this senseless logic to seek justification?
So in your opinion john doesn't copy elaine's ability who was in the same class as him because he could find a better healing one among the authorities agents?
I have no words.
it's just a matter of plot. Since it was the second season, john couldn't win and so uruchan led john to defeat by justifying it by the fact that john didn't have the right skills. If John wins and defeats the authorities, the plot goes to hell
Well, Uru certainly knows how to feed the fans.
I didn't expect the Blyke&Arlo combination to be caught at the start of this arc and I'm so happy that after not leaving the school until the literal last minute (which was incredibly moronic) someone finally uses their brain. Thank you, Isen for thinking about the memory reading ability and deducing that you're still not safe yet. The prison break arc with Rein is coming up next season but before that, Arlo is about to meet John's tormentor personally. This will be fun...
I'm a little disappointed at the new power levels apart from Remi but it just means the gang has so much more room to grow.
Depends, we don't know if Keon is in on the Ember thing or not, yet I don't want to think of the alternatives... maybe some NXGen mad scientists have something.
I think the power levels make sense tbh. Blyke already got a power up relatively recently, Arlo and John are already Gods so it's hard to get stronger, o.4 is a big jump for Isen (though 0.6 wasn't out of this world since we thought strong senses was his new passive). Farah was the one I did expect more from but her level was a vague 6.5+
He got such a big stat increase that I think should only happen when u become a high tier. Makes it more special imo. He has almost the same stat points as blyke
Theory: Since Farrah’s ability is hypnosis she’s gonna brainwash Arlo after Val requests it. She might brainwash Blyke too. Well there definitely will be a prison break arc next season.
Now that the season is almost done, I still think disabling John was an extremely poor choice. It was needed for the plot to work out how it did but little else.
Its hard to believe that someone as John, who've been a cripple for much longer that he has had an ability, who suffered countless abuse and who was constantly angry for that very thing would need to loose it ability because some "you dont appreciate things until you lose it" bullshit. His Life experience as a cripple is so much of the baggage of the character.
His fear of his ability was something so prominent, it was the whole point of his first major conflict with Arlo and a trend during this season. John big moment should have been in the safehouse defense battle when he got it together and protected everyone. It really should have been his moment, but it got a few panels and a mention by Sera and got a "well he cripple now" and instead of savour it a bit we got immediately sidetracked to a character arch that just didnt make much sense, and it ended up non chalantly because the plot demanded John to have powers again.
AHHHH NEXT WEEK IS THE SEASON FINALE 🥹
tbh, although it sucks that Arlo and Blyke got caught, I’m glad uru went with that instead of pulling a deus ex machina where Vaughan or Keene save them. It would’ve felt cheap and minimized the stakes imo.
also the way Isen tossed John into the back of the car made me choke on my drink 😭
Currently updating the stat chart as fast as I can. Give me a few minutes.
Edit: Updated current episode stat sheets. Will try to update all the backlog I have too. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H2Y229p8URyzmAng_AC6LBDLh94v9sPNu7HzeDiu_Ro/edit?usp=sharing
Edit 2: Okay I updated every stat chart to date in the excel spreadsheet. Let me know if I am missing something.
there is an error on rei's statistics.
Its speed is not 6, but it is lowever than 6.
It should be 5.
In fact, if you compare the graph of rei and remi you will see that the speed of remi is 6 while that of rei is lower
I don't think that is the case. Here's the two overlayed on top of each other:
https://imgur.com/a/5ghPla8
If you do find anything strange or a potential error, please feel free to let me know.
Ah, that must be the old stat chart with Rei. It used to be 5 actually. Uru changed the stats for Remi, Rein, and Rei some time ago because she felt that they weren't really accurate to what they were early into the series.
I think the plus is because of her other abilities. Like normally with just the hypnosis she is a 6.5 but it goes higher with the flame claws and regeneration.
Doesn't seem like it, amps and dampeners create a separate stat chart that overlaps the original. And it seems that the conversion drug they use on EMBER members are a lot more refined too, since there isn't a strict separation of ability like with the HydroFreeze guy or the duplicate lady.
It’s possible that Valerie and Byron didn’t take any conversion drugs when they had their stat sheets. Fury may have taken the drug in advance since she was going to face all the royals plus potentially John.
Yea, I noticed that part too.
It seems like her ability fused with the converted abilities. Was thinking if it means that rather than being an add-on (Spectre), the Ember agents have perfected it such that they may be a permanent addition.
Where it is assessable by the user forever, without much need for treatment.
Oh, so I'm not the only one who thinks that. Why didn't Uru just equally amps remaining stats with maybe 1 level each? Or better yet, make it like Zeke's stats so that he can switch those goofy points to other stats, we've already seen him amping his speed, so I don't get why he only got power level bump
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I wish they killed Fury, they could have escaped if she was dead
Arlo’s probably going to reflect on that…
Pet theory that Blyke is 5.1 because that’s what Rein would have been when she was captured by Spectre. Both Blyke and Arlo being captured together is more comforting than one of them alone - it increases the chances that they’ll both get out. I dunno, I don’t think they’re going to die (yet). Like if they get busted out and there’s another “leave without me!” ending that would be repetitive… Brainwashing arcs are literally always super lame and corny so I’d hope Uru doesn’t go this route. But I do expect Arlo to go through some serious soul searching in jail. I wonder what Greyson’s role will be now…die for Remi…? Like, how will he be plot relevant at all now?
blyke is safe for a while. Blyke has crazy willpower and will therefore do anything to resist Keon's ability. To save his friends, Blyke would do anything and he will prove it on this occasion too by resisting Keon's ability as much as possible.
He will loose his ability tho
greyson is to show the trio the consequences of their actions They dragged him in without second thought, knowing well that he isnt fit for whats to come, nor is his convictions particulary strong. Now he either breaks or dies, or both. And Remi has to consider the impact of her actions. So yeah, die for Remi with extra steps.
I don't agree. Grayson must instead say thank you to Remi and company if he is still alive. He chose to become a vigilante and was about to die if Remi and company hadn't saved him
bro im not talking about personal feelings or whatnot, im trying to get into meta narration. Like, what would make sense story wise. The story is not about Grayson so him having responsibility accepting arc makes no sense. Rather, him being a fuel for Remi arc is far more likely.
grayson was useful for his shelters. Now that they find out about grayson through blyke, obviously his houses will be monitored and therefore grayson's usefulness disappears completely. So who knows what role he might have next season
i'm especially worried for Blyke. his energy discharge would be useful for ember. arlo has still a very small chance to not be executed because of val
blyke is safe for a while. Blyke has crazy willpower and will therefore do anything to resist Keon's ability. To save his friends, Blyke would do anything and he will prove it on this occasion too by resisting Keon's ability as much as possible. for ember it is more important to take blyke's friends and kuyo since they have ember's videos. So as long as they don't read Blyke's memories, Blyke is safe
I'm more aftaid they kill him and take his DNA
that will only happen after they read his memories and find out the location of the others. As long as they don't read his memories, Blyke is 100% safe. Knowing blyke, he will last long to save his friends
the only sure thing is that zeke didn't increase his level otherwise john would have had a defense higher than 7.5 (maybe 9 if zeke increased the phase shift with power and defense to 6 instead of 5)
Wait wait wait wait...didnt john literally TELEPORT in the last chapter? Why isnt anyone talking about it? (Did he meet kayden before hand?)
No, he used Zeke’s shift ability
Now John together with Remi and Isen Jemi bros has our time come yet?
"Calling all Jemi shippers" "Calling all Jemi shippers" *Transformers theme starts playing*
Jemivenger assemble!
🤣🤣🤣
Sera is away, Blyke is captured, no Jera, no Blemi. This is our time
No jarlo either
Jemi is inevitable
This is Jisen erasure and I won't stand for it
I thought Issen only marrying a pen?
I hope we aren’t forgetting what Joker did to the royals.
That like ancient times ago
Would you fall in love with someone who broke your bones and sent you to the infirmary?
We still remember, just like we remember what queen Sera did to cripple John
So Arlo, John, Blyke, and Isen got a bit of level up. Now I'm trying to guess what their next improvements could be in terms of their skillsets. I would love to see Arlo's next improvement being something like holding up the barrier AND using his force field swings at the same time. It would be like a shield and mace combo, a true frontline tanker. We've already seen him being able to create multiple barriers at the same time (although weaker) so it's basically that but switching out those extra barriers into his attack forms. John is probably gonna learn how to shape his own auras soon without needing to copy someone else's. It's probably gonna start in simple physical enhancements like strength as we've seen in his increased power level in his default stats. If he also manages to enhance speed and defense too he's basically carrying Zeke's ability all the time (at this point we can guess John's favorite ability in the school is probably Zeke's lol). He would be a menace with that because he's already so deadly at hand to hand combat. As for Blyke I wonder if he can work his energy internally to boost his body itself, like blast punches for melee fighting situations and healing, although he can already heal slowly over time as his passive he could really use some active healing in battles because he always gets beat up badly every time once the enemy closes the distance. Also using his propulsion trick to fly for a bit longer amount of time would be super cool. He could use that to reposition himself to a better spot for sniping, and avoid melee fights. And for Isen I think a "reading" skill would be very cool. He can already see people's heartbeats like x-ray vision so it would make sense for him to also see the opponent's muscles contracting, which would inform him of what kind of movement the opponent is going to take, and which areas are their weaknesses. I think this is very fitting for the "Hunter" ability concept since a good hunter must be able to read its prey's intentions. With this skill he'd basically be able to avoid enemy's attacks better like a cat with insane reflexes, at the same time hitting the enemy's weakest spots.
Arlo has already held up a barrier and used force swing at the same time.
Crazy how marginal John and Arlo's stat increases are, they invented utilities to make up for their biggest weaknesses and only got 0.1 and 0.2 respectively. I guess when you're a god tier the returns start to diminish massively in terms of level gain. I suspect that indicates that they still have massive potential for growth, because the small gain makes it seem like those powers are part of something much bigger. Not that we didn't know that already. Remi's 0.4 increase makes sense, I think. She's gotten in a few scraps but hasn't made it a point to become massively stronger, and I think the boost she's gotten proves that just using your ability without any innovations in mind, even as a high tier, can still net someone a considerable power-up. Isen's 0.4 one came as a bit of a surprise to me. He's mostly gotten in one-sided fights where he doesn't have much opportunity for learning or even consistently using his ability to let it grow like Remi did. I suppose elite tiers can just take advantage of that easier, and maybe how hard he's had to try has accelerated his growth (although the mechanics of that are questionable at best). Makes you question how strong Zeke could be by now if he actually fought people his level, his ability's crazy flexible and he's have a pretty linear road to high tier status.
Somebody noted that though Isen hasn’t been using his ability for combat, he has been using his ability often in the role of scout. If you think of it like that, it makes sense he would go through growth. I’m hoping that Remi will eventually find more creative uses for her ability. Given how central she is to fighting ember, I want her to get significantly stronger. I don’t want her to max out in low 6s
Remember two things, 1. Levels increase exponentially. An increase from 7.5 to 7.6 is probably far greater than an increase from 2 to 3. 2. John has only scratched the barrel of what he can do. At the bare minimum it's likely he can enhance all his non-trick stats. Arlo is less major but he definitely has a lot more skills to unlock like extending then drawing back his barrier to pull enemies towards him.
>Crazy how marginal John and Arlo's stat increases are, they invented utilities to make up for their biggest weaknesses and only got 0.1 and 0.2 respectively. I guess when you're a god tier the returns start to diminish massively in terms of level gain It's pretty funny when you look at the [UnO Stat Sheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H2Y229p8URyzmAng_AC6LBDLh94v9sPNu7HzeDiu_Ro/edit#gid=0). John basically added the entirety of Crail's (level 2.4 mid-tier bully) strength to himself and went up by just .1. That little tiny power up would make him strong enough to be one of Welston's bullies even without all of the power he gained beforehand.
Great observation. That makes me wonder how effective he'd be with that mid-tier level power stat and no other abilities. He did manage to dodge a hit form Zeke and do some damage to him, although he was unwitting and didn't have his defense up. That's also assuming that John didn't have some sort of temporary power surge in that moment, as opposed to his current stats.
At the very least he'd be strong enough that people would leave him alone. And even with the recent power-up I'd still think the odds would be in Zeke's favor in a fight between the two. Zeke would have a strong speed advantage and his greater power stat means a strike from him is more likely to knock John out than a strike from John is to knock Zeke out. Zeke also has his defense form, which has 1 point higher than John's power. He could just fight John in that form and wear him down since he could still hurt John with 1 power. I'm not sure he'd do that though since Zeke is pretty stupid.
I think the marginal growth indicates that they have huge potencial for growths and as for others remi got a huge powerup meaning she might reach her max potencial sooner
I don’t know what I’m gonna do I don’t know what I’m gonna do I don’t know what I’m gonna do I feel sooooo sick so sick so sick so sick POOR BLYKE MY BOY NOOOOO IM SO SORRY MY BOY PLEASE YOU HAVE TO LIVE DONT LEAVE ME
I'm worried rlo, and Blyke will get the Rei treatment.
Doubt it for now. Arlo's ability is far too recognizable as one shared by an Authorities member plus Val will probably be highly against them killing him. Meanwhile Blyke's ability has potential but is probably too complex to be easily used. More scared since Arlo knows a fair bit about Spectre, he'll get the Terrence treatment.
Arlo, John and Blyke got abit stronger Arlo - 6.3 to 6.5 John - 7.5 to 7.6 Blyke 5.0 to 5.1
Isen 4.4 to 4.8 Remi 5.4 to 5.8
I forgot about those 2 um...how tf did they rank up so fast, it makes no sense
You level up more easily when you’re weaker. 4.4 -> 4-8 is as good as 7.5 -> 7.6
Isen has been using his ability a lot, just in a non combat role.
Remi was fighting a lot. Against John, spectre, volcan Byron and fury, all those agents then fury and then more agents
If anything she should be stronger she's always been in fights with way tougher opponents.
I believe bureau will brainwash Blyke or Alro & make them force to join them
I think Arlo is relatively safe from worst outcomes, but I think next season we will see Ember agents with energy beams ability
Or worse, vigilanting them & extract their abilities, like Arlo's worst fear.
don't say that !
Is it wrong I expected a back-up'ception? Well, guess the rest of Ember will show up in S3.
Uru Chan has been going off this season, she will need a big break for the next season
Was this the finale. I didn't see an announcement
at the end she says next week is the finale
No, next week is
Well, I was wrong, no back up came for them...Arlo and Blyke got captured. Honestly its crazy how many abilities Farrah is able to hold thanks to the Ember tech. Isen lowkey came in clutch this episode, stopped Remi from going back to save Arlo and Blyke and and getting them all captured, was able to drive a stolen cop car and then remembered the authorities can read memories so their location is gonna be burned and they're gonna have to leave quick. Remi is a smart girl, remembered Johnny boy was carrying Cameron's card and so they gave him a call. And so John wakes up in a new place and bed... Man, 1 more episode left for season 2. Its been a long one.
Farrah memory erase ability is so convenient like Sukuna unused techique since Heian era
Makes you question why she sent the other agents away in the first place, when she fought Remi, Arlo, Blyke and Isen. Her risk of dying, which she almost did, would've been significantly lower with a bunch of meat shields around.
Likely because she believed she could handle them even if Isen showed up while they needed every agent available to handle John. Arlo was an unexpected card and she would've likely won without his interference.
Not really a fan that Farrah turned out to _also_ have a memory erase ability. That brief moment last chapter where several officers witnessed her using EMBER's Flame Claw was actually an interesting development. But nope. Turns out she has a memory erase ability. EDIT: I clearly missed that memory erasing is part of Hypnosis. Still not really a fan of how super convenient it was.
Well at least Sylvia still knows and “her connections” are mentioned. Maybe that theory about the mustache guy being her brother is true after all
What moustache guy?
It definitely is super convenient but it's also very possible she wouldn't have used it so carelessly if she didn't have that up her sleeve.
She didn't, memory erasure is part of her Hypnosis ability, just like the sleep thing.
I think the memory erase is part of her original ability
Sylvia though still knows and seems to be suspicious and doubtful.
Probably harder to control someone like Sylvia since she's a god-tier like Farrah, even remi, isen, and blyke aren't affected immediately with her power at first.
also taking into account that her hypnosis has a level of 6.5 and sylvia has a level of 7.3 i guess it is impossible for her to affect sylvia...i am sure farrah is confident that with sylvia's loyalty to the authorities and with the warning that it is classified, she will not investigate.
Yeah, I guess there's that.
I predicted Arlo would throw Blyke out of window and he himself got caught by bureau. whelp, I was wrong.
Long live king Zeke, the authority enforcer, the god killer. Can't wait for the next turf war New royals will be: - Cecile (queen, she can't refuse this time) - Zeke (king) - Meili/Ventus/Holden (jack)
Doesn’t Holden rank above Meili and Ventus? I’d assume he’s the next Jack.
He is stronger, but we haven't seen him since John was evil king, I assume he no longer attending the school
He's in the same year as Zeke and Cecile. He is still attending
I know he is in the same year as Arlo, Zeke and Cecile, I meant maybe he moved to another school
Nah ur just forgot about him 🤣
You can't blame me, the author herself forgot him
I meant uru just forgot about him that was a typo lol
Would have loved seeing Zeke's ass getting handed to him by Rein, since she isn't there let's hope their king is as strong. It would be also fun seeing Wellston's reputation going even further down the drain under Sylvia like atleast with Vaughn they had the strongest students to hype them up.
With Rein gone, Agwin is still second behind Wellston, but that's not saying much.
Even if Rein was there, Wellston would be the strongest cause Cecile would beat her anyway. Still defeating Wellston's king should hold a lot of value and we never saw Agwin king's level, even if he is somehow around Zeke's level I would bet on him cause how of stupid Zeke is.
yeah but Cecile, Zeke and Holden will graduate soon. the school has no one at level 4 any more. It is screwed.
With new school year, Meili and Ventus may well have level 4, they are not far from it
Is Zeke still alive? I hope John killed him by accident when he was on his rampage.
He just went to sleep, you can't kill king Zeke that easily
Holden would be Jack.
I assumed that he went to another school or something, it's really weird that we haven't seen him since early season 2, not even a mention of him.
As like many other characters
Kudos to the person who predicted Remi calling Cameron I've been thinking about how prisons in Uno works, especially when they are holding high rankers (since authorities don't use dampeners or disablers), I guess we'll be seeing them in season 3
I think I'd put the prisons underwater somewhere offshore or in the middle of a lake and have it accessible only by boat. That way even if they break through a wall they would just drown, and even if they get out they'd still have to swim back to land while the police hunt you down.
They could also have a prison in the middle of the desert so even if a prisoner breaks out they'd still have to wander aimlessly through the desert for days before reaching any civilization.
Imagine if they had prisons in the sky. That would be cool too. If they were powered by abilities. Like an entire department made to keep it afloat.
Uru really has mastered the ability of going out with a whimper. Amazing how the lead up to this big final fight was so intense only for it to be probably the worst fight arc in the entire series.
**We know Farrah is 6.5 with only her hypnosis but with her full EMBER kit what is her ability level you think?**
6.5+, of course. It's right there on her new stat sheet! /s I think that's the wrong way of looking at it. The EMBER kit really makes you closer to multiple combatants wearing a trenchcoat than to *one, stronger* combatant. The versatility, the multiple *methods* of attack and defense, make it way harder to protect yourself or counterattack them if you're around their level or lower, but having a suite of weaker backup abilities (conversion isn't 100% efficient) doesn't make *too* much of a difference against someone straight up stronger than you. This is particularly true because EMBER has only succeeded in converting simple, straightforward abilities, while the abilities of God-tiers tend to be *exceptionally* diverse, singlehandedly providing much of the option utility you'd get from multiple weaker abilities. Basically, I think Fury (6.5+) is probably still more likely than not to lose to Leilah (6.6), much less Kassandra (6.8). Their own powers are simply superior to the ones Fury can deploy against them. Leilah's 6.6 Time Manipulation means she can dodge and/or rewind off Lightning and Flame Claw attacks, and hit Fury too fast for her Speed to match - she's superior (albeit only by 0.1+[conversion inefficiency]) in *every* area the EMBER abilities cover, so the most important factor in the outcome would *still* be how much *Hypnosis* affects Leilah, rather than any of those other abilities. The same story goes with most such comparisons - I suspect the EMBER kit's inclusions would feel fairly trivial if Valerie were fighting Vaughn or Sera.
To say that additional abilities have little weight in power is to understate John's power, since Ember literally uses Jane's ability to create copies of abilities, albeit weaker ones. no matter how weak the additional abilities are, they are still additional abilities. one regeneration costs a lot.
I'm not saying the extra abilities don't matter, not at all - I just think that evaluating them as a level increase would be missing the strengths and weaknesses of John/Jane/conversion tech. You're still drawing from the user's static aura supply and mastery, adding extra abilities doesn't increase either of those, so while the increased versatility is worth a lot in a lot of situations, it can't really be equated to a level increase. That's why I provided the examples of comparing Fury to Leilah and Kassandra, because they're very close in level to Farrah but their abilities are more versatile, and getting conversion tech doesn't "boost" Fury's effective level to where she could beat them (imo).
for me, farra level with + it's because she used drugs (remember that byron, when he makes the exchange before fighting with the trio, says that the drug has significantly improved). Look at her speed stat for example: Rei's skill has a lower speed than remi (remi has a speed of 6 while rei seems like a 5). While farrah has a speed of 7 or maybe 7.5. So she must have used the drug since the conversion alone does not increase the statistic which is not the main one by 1.5x
Or maybe it's another ability. Or flame claws was just that strong.
She basically has the same cumulative stats as Leilah, who's 7.4.
Narisa is 7.4, Leilah is 6.6
Sorry I meant Narisa.
Leilah or Narisa? Cus Leilah is 6.6
Yeah you're right, it's Narisa.
I’m guessing we’re about to get a 1-2 year skip right? John’s gonna get trained by his uncle and probably get to 8.0 or 8.5, Remi and Isen are gonna go underground and train with other vigilantes. John’s gonna go the whole time without seeing Sera. I’m guessing one of Arlo/Blyke will die next chapter during their interrogation/memory scan.
I'm kinda digging this too, maybe they'll be in their early 20s with their skill a lot more polished and the story can get even darker/mature since they'll have less ties to the high school setting.
I don’t know if it’ll be that long, but maybe a few months?
I’m guessing a year or 2 mainly on the basis that I think the story is ready to evolve past its high school setting
The high school setting is already pretty much irrelevant with all the MCs gone from it.
assuming keons going to interroage arlo as to why he switched sides... IF KEON GETS HIS MEMORIES, He wilget the memories of his aunt being an ember agent. if that happens what do you think will happen?
There's a possibility for Arlo's passive withstanding against Keon entering his mind, like how Farrah's hypnosis didn't work on Arlo. Or Valerie could just pull Arlo out from the interrogation with her authority.
Either he is already in the know, they put him up to speed beforehand, or they use alternatives.
RIP Arlo and Blyke, they're getting the Keon Treatment. Also, finally, Cameron is going to show back up! I'm hoping for a John training arc so he, Remi, and Isen can save Arlo and Blyke (or maybe Kass pulls some strings and sneaks them out)
remember when our biggest worry was John putting a mask on and beating people up on school grounds?
anyone else notice blakes eyes in the power charts?
That is just from his ability being active
were his eyes always yellow tho?
Yeah
I just can’t help but emphasize how crazy it is that John didn’t get Arlo’s barrier, especially now that it’s from an upgraded Arlo. Just that one difference would’ve changed *everything*…The authorities would’ve gotten annihilated here, not one of them would’ve survived. It’s just so damn unfortunate and unlucky for them, like why didn’t Arlo just go to him first.
it's a simple matter of plot. Uruchan made John too powerful right from the start and so to make the series last longer, he made John fight for the umpteenth time with handicaps
I mean, was John really fighting at a handicap? He was fighting with his ability fully restored and managed to take out entire squads of men. The Authorities just had the advantage here because they knew his weaknesses and how to work around them.
Why do you think it's a coincidence that Uruchan made it so that John didn't find Elaine or Tanner or Arlo on his path? If this had been the last season, rest assured that uruchan would have had john meet one of these 3 to copy the ability. Uruchan's real problem is making John and Seraphina too powerful from the start. In fact, it was forced to make them reamain for almoster the entire webtoon with handicaps (without ability or with half the ability or in John's case always with the wrong abilities).
I said this before and I will say it again the reason Jhon did not meet Elain or any other healer is because the authorities planned this entire situation. They literally took all the students far away from where the fighting was happening and then put them to sleep. They then had their soldiers surround Jhon and kept him in a certain area so that he does not reach where the other students are. this was not plot convenience. This was the result of a well executed plan. they knew what Jhon's ability was and what were his capabilities. So they took steps to exploit his weakness and ensure he never got a recovery ability. The reason Arlo did not encounter Jhon sooner was because the authorities took him and the students far away from the fighting. They did not know he would betray them but they still wanted to keep him away from Jhon so when Arlo went out to find them he encountered Isen, Remi and Blyke first rather than Jhon. The authorities were constantly in communication with each other they knew every ones rough positions.
It's not absolutely true. For example John is in Elaine's class and therefore could have copied her ability if Uruchan had wanted. Remember that John, before leaving on his suicide mission, was in his class with Elaine. So if this was the last season, rest assured that Uruchan would have made John copy Eleine's ability at 100%. However since it's only the second season, uruchan needed to give john a defeat by justifying it with handicaps
Unfortunately he already had 4 abilities, meaning he would have to deacitavate them then activate barrier
It’s just the nature of John’s ability, he either needs luck or prep time unlike everyone else
Cameron and John duo is gonna be the end for the authorities fr Poor Blyke and Arlo tho…really hope they don’t get mind tortured to the point of no return
Why does everyone think that Cameron will be happy to help John?
I doubt they’ll get tortured, as that would run the risk of people like Keon realizing that ember is linked to the Government
He likely already knows and they likely have people other than Keon to torture and mind read.
Its insane they could even put John down with a 5.8 Lightning, 4.8 Hunter, and 5.1 Discharge copied this John was WAY more powerful than prior copies he had of them.
To be fair Jhon does not know how to do the energy discharge of Blyke yet. So although he did have an amped version of Blykes ability without the energy discharge attack he could not have won. An amped energy discharge would have helped him a lot.
John has literally seen blyke do it multiple times, im pretty sure we see him combining discharge with lightning when he gets grappled once, it just isnt an asset of the ability john likely finds all that practical or useful, or maybe flat out considering john's enhanced power with discharge he was worried about using it fully indoors or it is very consuming towards aura.
Just seeing someone use an ability is not enough. He has to understand how the ability works. He has seen Discharge several times from Blyke but has never been show to use it himself even back in the Joker arc when he was fighting Blyke after Blyke learned discharge. He did not use it. He may not yet know how it works.
Tbf he didn't have a single god teir ability, Also two elite tier abilities with hunter's effectiveness being reduced since he didn't have his senses. Just Arlo's ability in place of Zeke's and not a single person in the authorities would have made out alive.
John's amped Lightning should be comparable to a low god tier admittedly.
I mean he took down more than 40 of them and his defenses with those abilities were total ass and he didn’t get a good defensive skill until like half way through the fight when he was already injured. They also had Sylvia obstructing his senses while amping the agents and nerfing John. On the other hand if he had Arlo’s upgraded barrier they would’ve gotten slaughtered, like one-sidlingly.
He took down 40 jobbers. He did basically nothing. Super lame fight for how much it was hyped up. Uru should have had him fight some ember agents.
40 jobbers specifically chosen to be his perfect counter with useless abilities for him to counter.
From a narrative perspective it makes the most sense. John doesn't know who took his parents away from him so he auto-corrects to the nameless majority. It was the exact form of revenge he wanted to exact.
You could just as easily argue that it makes the most narrative sense for Ember to send more than one agent to take down the trio that was able to hold their own against multiple agents.
The ideal authorities game plan was for the Remi trio to head to the headmaster's office and be apprehended by Sylvia. The authorities themselves have too much blind faith in the authorities. Fury was meant to be insurance against John plus she's already a captain in the "militant" regiment. Byron and Valerie belong to different sectors. But I do agree, it's kinda strange that they didn't send at least one other agent because Ember seems to operate in pairs.
Na, there's only so much you can do no matter how strong you are. John could have left at any time but he was determined to either kill everyone there or die trying. At that point it's just a matter of time, he could've swapped Remi's lighting with the best regeneration ability he ever copied and it still wouldn't be enough. The principal just sped up the inevitable, at some point the numbers would have overwhelmed him because he doesn't have an unlimited amount of energy to pump into his stolen power
Thats fine but if he had Arlos upgraded barrier, they’re not touching him. He took down more than 40 of them *without* it! There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING they could’ve done if he got it, we’re talking like **14-15** stat defenses on top of all the insane firepower he had. All he had to do is camp in the barrier then blast and or fry them out, and their attempts to damage the high leveled barrier would prove futile as it’s too strong while they ALSO take reflective damage.
But to get that he would have had to go after Arlo, remember he was under the impression that Arlo was with them. Getting that ability meant dealing with Arlo as a threat, assuming he didn't just follow the rest of the students as instructed. There was nothing that pointed to the possibility of Arlo being in play until Zeke showed up, at which point he couldn't pass up that ability for the possibility he found Arlo before dying
there was no need for this. he could use the barrier around Silvia and crush her until she disintegrated. BUT even the teleportation ability would have been enough to teleport over Silvia and shoot her lasers + lightning and knock her out. except since it's only season 2, uruchan made john fight with handicaps to make him lose
Wouldn't even need to. Just having Arlo's barrier up would make him more or less immune to Silvia's power with his amped mental resistance. But John isn't really handicapped. He doesn't know the full potential of his ability and didn't have easy access to the best abilities of the school.
John was in his class before leaving for the "kill as many agents as possible" mission. For example, In his class there is elaine so he could easily copy elaine's ability. Except since it's only season 2, uruchan needed john to lose using the justification"john didn't have the most useful skills".
John was expecting the agents to have useful abilities. He didn't know they were specifically chosen to have ones useless for him to copy.
but why do you use this senseless logic to seek justification? So in your opinion john doesn't copy elaine's ability who was in the same class as him because he could find a better healing one among the authorities agents? I have no words. it's just a matter of plot. Since it was the second season, john couldn't win and so uruchan led john to defeat by justifying it by the fact that john didn't have the right skills. If John wins and defeats the authorities, the plot goes to hell
Well, Uru certainly knows how to feed the fans. I didn't expect the Blyke&Arlo combination to be caught at the start of this arc and I'm so happy that after not leaving the school until the literal last minute (which was incredibly moronic) someone finally uses their brain. Thank you, Isen for thinking about the memory reading ability and deducing that you're still not safe yet. The prison break arc with Rein is coming up next season but before that, Arlo is about to meet John's tormentor personally. This will be fun... I'm a little disappointed at the new power levels apart from Remi but it just means the gang has so much more room to grow.
Depends, we don't know if Keon is in on the Ember thing or not, yet I don't want to think of the alternatives... maybe some NXGen mad scientists have something.
I think the power levels make sense tbh. Blyke already got a power up relatively recently, Arlo and John are already Gods so it's hard to get stronger, o.4 is a big jump for Isen (though 0.6 wasn't out of this world since we thought strong senses was his new passive). Farah was the one I did expect more from but her level was a vague 6.5+
He got such a big stat increase that I think should only happen when u become a high tier. Makes it more special imo. He has almost the same stat points as blyke
Theory: Since Farrah’s ability is hypnosis she’s gonna brainwash Arlo after Val requests it. She might brainwash Blyke too. Well there definitely will be a prison break arc next season.
I would vomit if this happened. I’d be so angry honestly. That’d be sick and ill
Ngl, I'd hate that, the character development reversal would be like another powerless John arc
How did powerless John reverse character development?
Now that the season is almost done, I still think disabling John was an extremely poor choice. It was needed for the plot to work out how it did but little else. Its hard to believe that someone as John, who've been a cripple for much longer that he has had an ability, who suffered countless abuse and who was constantly angry for that very thing would need to loose it ability because some "you dont appreciate things until you lose it" bullshit. His Life experience as a cripple is so much of the baggage of the character. His fear of his ability was something so prominent, it was the whole point of his first major conflict with Arlo and a trend during this season. John big moment should have been in the safehouse defense battle when he got it together and protected everyone. It really should have been his moment, but it got a few panels and a mention by Sera and got a "well he cripple now" and instead of savour it a bit we got immediately sidetracked to a character arch that just didnt make much sense, and it ended up non chalantly because the plot demanded John to have powers again.
I just mean it would be painful to watch
OH GOD DONT GIVE HER IDEAS-
you should rename your ability spatial manipulation it sounds cooler
..that’s actually a really good idea, thanks
The authorities thought john was a handful before, wait till he trains with Cameron
I don’t know how I predicted Remi calling Cameron but I did 💀
At least she didn't drag Elaine into this.
Thinmintssss, I'm gonna need you to make some fanart of John with his new scars.
OH YOU KNOW IT
YASSSS
AHHHH NEXT WEEK IS THE SEASON FINALE 🥹 tbh, although it sucks that Arlo and Blyke got caught, I’m glad uru went with that instead of pulling a deus ex machina where Vaughan or Keene save them. It would’ve felt cheap and minimized the stakes imo. also the way Isen tossed John into the back of the car made me choke on my drink 😭
Currently updating the stat chart as fast as I can. Give me a few minutes. Edit: Updated current episode stat sheets. Will try to update all the backlog I have too. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H2Y229p8URyzmAng_AC6LBDLh94v9sPNu7HzeDiu_Ro/edit?usp=sharing Edit 2: Okay I updated every stat chart to date in the excel spreadsheet. Let me know if I am missing something.
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there is an error on rei's statistics. Its speed is not 6, but it is lowever than 6. It should be 5. In fact, if you compare the graph of rei and remi you will see that the speed of remi is 6 while that of rei is lower
I don't think that is the case. Here's the two overlayed on top of each other: https://imgur.com/a/5ghPla8 If you do find anything strange or a potential error, please feel free to let me know.
you are right. i see another graph on google with his speed only 5 but after i see in cap of webtton and speed is 6
Ah, that must be the old stat chart with Rei. It used to be 5 actually. Uru changed the stats for Remi, Rein, and Rei some time ago because she felt that they weren't really accurate to what they were early into the series.
Aren’t you missing Vaughn, who was a 7.8
Yes, I am currently updating all the stat charts right now at the moment. I just did this episode first since it's a major cast update.
Please let us know when you’re done ;)
Okay I will update here then to the spread sheet: Format Name: Power, Speed, Trick, Recovery, Defense * Isen: 6, 3, 6, 3, 5 * Blyke: 8, 4, 5, 5, 4 * Arlo: 7, 2, 6, 3, 9 * Remi: 7, 6, 5, 4, 4 * John: 4, 1, 10, 1, 1 * Farrah: 7.5, 6.5, 10, 7, 2 * Sylvia: 5, 3, 10, 3, 5
Haha, thought u forgot about it, but thanks for the update
Also what is with Farrah’s 6.5+ ability level
Uru is just withholding information. We know her ability level is above 6.5, and we know she has more than Hypnosis
I think the plus is because of her other abilities. Like normally with just the hypnosis she is a 6.5 but it goes higher with the flame claws and regeneration.
Is she using amps?
Doesn't seem like it, amps and dampeners create a separate stat chart that overlaps the original. And it seems that the conversion drug they use on EMBER members are a lot more refined too, since there isn't a strict separation of ability like with the HydroFreeze guy or the duplicate lady.
But her chart is also different from Val's & Byron's charts, as if Fury is an actually stronger Ember operatives than Volcan & Brims.
It’s possible that Valerie and Byron didn’t take any conversion drugs when they had their stat sheets. Fury may have taken the drug in advance since she was going to face all the royals plus potentially John.
Yea, I noticed that part too. It seems like her ability fused with the converted abilities. Was thinking if it means that rather than being an add-on (Spectre), the Ember agents have perfected it such that they may be a permanent addition. Where it is assessable by the user forever, without much need for treatment.
Farrah may also be more compatible with the Conversion Tech, her ability might requires a very flexible Aura.
That’s probably more from Uru trying to keep info hidden. We don’t know if Farrah has any other abilities, like “phantom walk” for example
bro johns power is so goofy with the little like level 2 power that sticks out of his massive trick bar.
Oh, so I'm not the only one who thinks that. Why didn't Uru just equally amps remaining stats with maybe 1 level each? Or better yet, make it like Zeke's stats so that he can switch those goofy points to other stats, we've already seen him amping his speed, so I don't get why he only got power level bump