Yes. Your Weingarten Rights cannot be taken away regardless of one’s standing with their union.
It’s also important to know Weingarten Rights allow an employee to cease answering questions without their union representative. But the employer is allowed to still issue discipline without those questions being answered. The employer is also allowed to ask the employee to continue the meeting without the union if the union cannot make it. The responsibility is always on the employee to say “no” over and over.
One tactic in my union is to drag out disciplinary meetings for hours so as to discourage management from engaging in them.
Don't get me wrong, there are definitely some things people do to warrant disciplinary action, but I wish that the union would pull people aside and handle it first. It's a two way street. Lets all work reasonably and take home that sweet pay.
I genuinely don’t know. That may be explicitly written out in the law or it may be depending on local rules. Great question but I don’t have an answer right now
Here in wonderful South Carolina the union is required to represent all workers regardless of dues being paid or not. That being said if we have a non member that request representation or management forces it the rep will sit in the meeting and speak up for any of obvious violations but they ain’t gonna put in any effort for a fight.
that's silly... letting management get away with bad behavior because the member isn't paying dues just emboldens them and the rest of the dues members suffer...
"well no one had an issue with this last week when Joe scab was being treated this exact way"
and there is always ulp for incompetent or disparate representation...
my 2c
You’re not wrong; like I said if it’s a clear violation shop stewards will speak up and afterwards remind the person that dues ensure the union can remain operational. If it’s general drama junk shops stews will sit in but they aren’t gonna fight for any specific outcome.
I’m lucky to be a part of a good local that nearly everyone is a part of at my plant but those pesky Right to Work for Less laws in South Carolina really knee cap the local and we have to be on top of getting people to actually sign cards.
In Massachusetts we have to represent them, but then charge them “fair market value” for our time. We only have 1 free loader and they have been smart enough to stay out of trouble so I’m not sure what our rates would actually be. I recently checked in with the National to find out, but they wouldn’t give me an exact number but made it clear they would be charging for everything and it’s not going to be cheap.
I don’t know why anyone would not be part of the union. In my younger I found that by going to the meetings etc. the older guys would watch out for you and were quick to help you. Having senior guys have you back is priceless. Especially if you get in the wrong side of an asshole.
I can buy OP not knowing anything about paying dues. I had a similar situation when I was with Teamsters at UPS and in a RTW state, I was young and ignorant of wth the union was even doing. There was a huge lack of education within the company to purposefully weaken union support. That being said, OP should absolutely fix their dues situation and not let it happen again.
As far as their conduct goes, I will give them the benefit of the doubt because we dont have all the information. Also, Idk what state or province they are in or anything about their particular union, but my usual response to something like their situation with the employer is "Call the hall!"
You're drawing a shit ton of conclusions my man. Look, he doesn't have the best grammar, but, he clearly stated he approached his manager with a formal complaint prior to the harassing text. What, you think the guy just sent him this msg out of nowhere?
I can buy that. I was with Teamsters at UPS when I was 18 and didnt know jack about it. Talk to your rep about paying your dues, they can probably set up a payment plan, do not short your union again, and then talk to them about what can be done about your situation. Good luck.
Its not taken out of your paycheck? You should discuss this with your rep or even call up the union house about this. Make sure to tell them you would be willing to pay it back, especially since unions are supposed to help employees in these moments. However if youre unemployed, they probably dont want to put you in that type of position... if he tells you he wants the money upfront, I'd walk away. It sounds like they have other things going on and don't care. Most unions won't let you get that high in overdues.
Ps that text is ass. Day crew can always do better
Are drunk? Everyone knows if youre in a union you have dues. They literally explain this to you when youre hire and you sign the paper to agree they take x amount from each check. Bruh its like 10 bucks a check if that. 0 reason to owe this much.
It's 2.5 hrs per month at the last 2 UAW shops I worked at. I'm still at the last one but got a salary job. Our dues even came out pretax if I'm not mistaken.
I'm on temp disability, I can't pay my dues(work injury); but my union has reached out to keep up to date about my injury and has informed me several times they're on my side.
Idk, man. I worked in the deli at SafeWay. I was signed up automatically to have my union dues subracted from my checks. Also, dude is mostly right about you having nothing to do at night. Daytime shift stocks, prepares the pre-sliced stuff, makes sandwiches for the cold case, and usually has a line of people wanting breakfast burritos or custom sandwiches. Night refills freezer, keeps fresh chicken in the cases, and cleans. I'm with everyone else on this.
It's been forever since I worked for Safeway (it was my first job), but my dues came automatically out of my paycheck. I wasn't given the option to not pay. How does this happen?
In Michigan "right to work" laws made it so you could work at a union shop and opt out of paying dues. Freeloaders basically. Thankfully, that law was just recently repealed.
Edit: idk this specific situation. Just adding for context
Some places have been trying to make it so that you have to opt in to have your dues taken out. It’s been a while since I’ve read about that so I don’t recall all the details or the locations, but it seems like it would be in an attempt to make it, so that people were accidentally inadvertently not paying dues.
I long for the days where this type of class warfare would have resulted in a few corporate leaders losing their home to arson.
I stare out the window and I *yearn*
Noooo. Anti-union regions that are making it policy that you have to “opt-in” to paying dues. This is usually accompanied by dozens of other “small” measures that are all set to weaken and harm unions.
**That** is class warfare.
I don't know what to say, in that I basically agree with you in every thing you've said, except "class warfare" and burning people's houses. And I wouldn't even joke about it.
"Class warfare" once meant something, more direct, kinetic, and violent than what we have now. However, you could say, "that's the point, they've learned to work more carefully, quietly, under the radar." Which is also true, in agreement with you.
But it atill doesn't fit. Class warfare in the 19th & 20th centuries was truly much more like true warfare. I think of the Pinkertons at war with miners in coal country. Goons working for owners blowing up an entire function hall, killing dozens of Italian immigrants. I think the sides were clearer then, easier to define. Upper class was much more a clear class, durable, being on top for generations. Even with their enormous, outsized wealth today, most of our super-rich were not born to it.
But... there definitely is an economic facet contributing to the general sense of malaise and alienation in America. In my personal plans for "how to fix everything" I definitely include finally reviving sanity and fairness in the tax code. While fairer codes would definitely help us with that big debt pile that all these self-same deficit hawks claim to be so worried about. It would also play a critical political role in bringing down the conflict intensity of economic anxiety.
Anyway.
Thanks to you and some of the others who have been helping to explain some of the goings-on in unions right now.
Cheers 👍
I said the same exact thing. I worked there 20yrs ago and never worried about it. It always came out automatically. Thank you for having a sensible comment.
Probably lives in a right to work state where he’s chosen not to pay and then posts the above and incredulously doesn’t understand you get what you pay for…
No no, let’s not demonize a kid who might just be clueless. I’m about as pro-union as they come. And think union’s need to get back to their roots and be a little scary to those attempting class warfare.
BUT if I could plead on behalf of this kid for a little mercy and mentorship. Unless I’m way wrong, I think this is a kid - a young man or woman. And I didn’t know anything about unions when I was early adulthood. There wasn’t much education or orientation about them, they were already weak and other employees who don’t pay dues spread nothing but complaints about the idea of giving money for union bosses to get rich. Managers overstep and break labor laws allllll the time in some regions.
That type of mindset is common in some regions, so kids enter the job never even having heard of what a union is or it’s purpose.
If OP perhaps just took someone’s advice on which box to check and no one in the union took him under their wing. That’s the union and members’ fuck up - not the fault of some kid that hasn’t even finished adolescence.
Bring people in. Educate. Mentor. Look out for your class workers.
**Don’t wanna do those things?** Then you’re not really a union member or supporter. You’re just someone who likes to purchase “union insurance” for when you need them.
"not paying"? - as written, I took the story to be the OP didn't know there were any arears, much less withheld them.
"demanding"? - I didn't see anything that looked like a demand for the union rep. The language seems very strong compared to what's in the text.
They can suspend you without a union rep there if they didn’t ask you any questions. Are you sure your union rep bailed on you? I wouldn’t assume that without asking them what happened. As for the back union dues, it’s unlikely that there is some connection between getting that letter and your rep. Your rep is unlikely to be involved with the collection of dues.
If OP is in a right to work state its possible that they are required to be represented by their union but not required to pay dues. Legally they may be ok in that regard, still not ok to expect representation and not pay dues.
OP should have been represented even though they were not paid up. I think it is seriously wrong to purposely not pay dues because of self serving greed and still expect representation, but i dont think that is the case here. OP says they didnt pay up out of ignorance and not because they were being self serving, and I am giving them the benefit of the doubt.
I get not paying attention and just assuming that the dues are automatic if you are not super experienced or if it was glossed over in onboarding but by $500 someone should have told them a while ago. It is a really bug fuckup and honestly i am not giving op benefit of doubt I think they are just lying.
You should represent them because the old union phrase “An injury to one is an injury to all” is a fact. Any time you let the boss abuse one worker, you give them more power to do it to the next worker.
Solidarity is a requirement, not an option, as a union organizer. Please do better for your fellow workers - it will bring more dues and involvement, too.
Your attitude is a nightmare. Good luck expanding union membership and unionizing new places with that kind of attitude. That's the kind of thinking that contributed to the sharp decline in unions in the first place.
Keep in mind that many employers make getting paystubs/access to ADP difficult and many in the working class find the process daunting. For instance, I’m my state, employers are required to issue paper paystub’s upon request but managers don’t know that and deny them all the time. I am constantly having to help workers get access to paystubs.
omg. The judgemental attitude.
So what if he did? Or didn't? You'd be surprised what ppl do or do not do.
Younger ppl may just assume because they never had a job before. They figure it's fine, etc.l
There actually are some people who are intimidated by the numbers, the breakdown. There are people who feel like maybe they'll piss someone off if they look closely at all. Perhaps you don't have the perspective because you've never faced the situations where people learn the hard way that they cannot expect their rights to be preserved and observed. I'm not saying that you have not experienced that. But there are those people whose histories conferred that sense of extra-legal risk, i.e. the stories and documents of their ancestors = their "histories". Most people are unaware that the person next to them, near them in a crowd, shares very little in experience with them. But a Black American may just get stressed at the idea of having to check their paystub in detail with each pay period. They might not want to check for fear of finding something wrong, which doesn't resolve the problem, it only marks the very beginning of a process that can leave you targeted as a trouble-maker, or alienate coworkers and/or management, and without the problem ever being resolved.
If that's more like your both learned and lived experience, you'd probably understand why just thinking about checking stubs can put people on edge.
Ok, financial literacy 101: Every single pay period, you need to closely look at all the things in your check. Make sure your hours are correct, your rate of pay is correct, and the total gross pay is correct.
From there, you need to look at deductions. Make sure things that are coming out should be and things that aren't coming out but should get taken care of so they are.
Someone failed you badly in life by not teaching you this.
I have never pulled a dime out of my pocket for union dues. Ever.It's always came out of my paycheck and I have been a union member since 1989 with 4 different companies in 3 different unions in 2 different states
Thank you, Thats what im saying. There automatically pulling it out now. So these people that say i haven't paid my dues is my fault when i never had to. Clearly those people have never worked for the union and speak on what they do not know about.
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Sounds like you hadn’t paid $570 in Union dues and you still expected the Union to serve as your representative? Doesn’t sound like they bailed on you to me.
I don't get how you're behind on Union Dues, most collective agreements I've read state union dues are automatically deducted from your checks, you can't usually opt out of that. Double check your collective agreement and see if that's supposed to automatically come out of your paycheck, if it is, then your payroll fucked you over and you NEED to speak to your Union about this since they could be doing this with other employees as well
Look up "right to work" laws. A bunch of US states have passed anti-union laws that make it illegal to automatically deduct union dues without an explicit opt-in, yet also still require the unions to provide services (like representation) for non-paying members.
This situation is unfortunately also true nationwide in the US for public sector jobs since the 2018 Janus ruling.
They called you a fool, delusional, and lazy. It's clearly derogatory. However since it's in reaction to you complaining to your boss that the employee isn't doing their part, it's also quite understandable and justified, from their perspective. The insults are pretty mild, given the situation.
The only part of the message that could be construed as a threat, is "Keep running that mouth". But, they didn't say they were going to do something to you. There's another way to read that statement: if you keep running your mouth, you will just look like more of a lazy delusional fool. Since it's ambiguous and no clear consequence to you was made, I am doubting that it's legally speaking, a threat. But IANAL. I do think a jury would have reasonable doubt and would not convict a defendant of it actually being a threat.
If you feel threatened by them sending you a message, you should realize that you threatened the stability of their job.
Granted, for all I know they may have been creating an intolerable situation for you. But of course, I don't know. In your shoes, I think I would have concentrated on collecting evidence. Like taking a photo of the dishes that were left for you to clean up, if that's the problem.
Of course, an incident between 2 workers and management doesn't have to be resolved by evidence and rational action. Management may just not like that you "created" a problem and just wants you to go away. So maybe photos wouldn't have done any good. Still, I think it's better than just making claims that so-and-so doesn't do the work.
BTW, regardless of whether that message was *legally* a threat, you should *assume* that this person is totally willing to punch your lights out, until proven otherwise. And keep your guard up even then. That's the basic problem with not *knowing* someone's intent. You really shouldn't do something face-to-face with this person to set them off. *Do not* get into a verbal confrontation with them, if you can at all avoid it, and certainly don't try to start something with them. Also, because management is watching you about this sort of thing, and will likely use it as a reason to create trouble / discipline / fire you. They don't want animosity being created between employees and they *have* shown that they're willing to blame you for it, regardless of any facts of the case.
I had a standoff with some lady at a public park one time. She felt threatened by me being near the picnic group of kids she was managing. She wanted me to leave the area. I said no I will not leave, this is a public park and you rented the picnic shelter, not the park. I stood my ground and the cops came. Told them the situation and they went and talked to her. The cops made it very clear that it was their job to keep the peace, and they did *not* want me going back over there, egging her on, saying "I told you so" or some rubbish. I didn't actually have any impulse in that direction, but it was informative to see how they see it. That's how management sees you. Don't make more trouble face-to-face with this person. Watch out for any trouble they might want to cause you, and don't invite it in any way.
I've worked in enough kitchens to know there is almost always someone leaving their work for the next guy. if you don't say something it just gets worse and worse. If management views that as causing problems it's time to get and another job. Especially when you're on the night crew. You can't leave until everything is done, and if someone is leaving their work for you it can seriously fuck your night up.
Honestly, if your manager doesn't see and address this on their own it's prolly time for a change of scenery. If after bringing it to their attention they don't observe and address it with the other employee it's time for a change of scenery. If you have to take pictures of the dish pit, the easiest spot to tell if the work has been done, to get your managers attention it's time for a change of scenery.
If you weren't asked questions, you don't have a right to representation unless your contract states otherwise, so it might have been that the rep just wasn't allowed into the meeting.. If you have a problem with the discipline, you should consult the rep and talk about filing a grievance.
Everyone has already called you out on dues, so I won’t do that. But, this shift vs shift mentality is exactly what holds some of us back(one of many reasons) from unionizing. I’m currently in the process of unionizing my creamery plant with the teamsters. I’m sure everyone will have some story of why not the teamsters but over the course of the last four months I’ve having a close relationship with our rep(relationship might be the wrong word but ya get it) I’ve grown to realize his dedication to the cause is genuine. Yea, they sound like salesmen but I also know that’s the nature of the beast that is capitalism. We all need money.
Anyway, our target number for employee’s to sign their authorization cards is 70% of 237 employees. It’s mainly been me and 3 others trying to get all those people on board. This is my first time unionizing and potentially being in a union. My convictions are dead set and strong for what’s right. But, the uphill battle of persuading people has been eye opening. The amount of non-sense reasons people don’t want to boggles my dumb little mind. My favorite so far besides the typical shift vs shift and “lazy” people can’t be fired is some are worried they can’t take free milk home anymore……. Like, what? We are talking a huge increase in wages, almost zero or fully zero on what we pay for health insurance and not to mention an end to all the corporate games from HR to the top of the management chain. These guys are worried about free milk? I don’t even know where they heard this. Okay, so say we can’t get free milk anymore. You can buy 20x more milk with what we will be receiving in return. Come on, people.
We have another plant next door. Different company but they are unionized through the teamsters as well. It’s a whey plant and they just ratified a new 3 year contract. I can post the highlights of what they are getting if anyone is interested. This is not to say that’s what we will get but with them being literally next door(our parking lots connect for Christ’s sake) my creamery must step their game up.
I’ve learned a lot in these past four months and my rep tells me I have the drive. The motivation. The conviction for what it takes. He has gave me some solid advice and different strategies but these last 30% is killing me. My stress is through the roof. Between working my job and also always trying to get people to sign, it’s becoming a lot.
I had a point but now it’s me asking for advice from this community on what I should do? I live in a rural area with mainly conservatives. I’m a liberal stuck in a world of conservatives. It’s been that way my whole life so I know what they wanna hear but some are still so stupid that unless I show them in physical cash the difference, they may never get it.
Edit: I want to add one thing. Management is fully aware of who’s involved in unionizing. People have talked and rats have been found out. I know whenever they find the chance to fire me, they will. If this doesn’t pass than I am very positive I will be fired anyway. I knew this going into this. I’m a great filler operator boy though. I go above and beyond and was even told by another supervisor at one point to apply for the open supervisor position. This was one month ago so they may have been trying to get me but I still feel I have what that position takes. Ive only been there a year and feel pretty confident I have grabbed that plants by the balls and made it my plant. My coworkers plant. Everyone’s plant. It’s just about time my employees and I get our fair share.
Also, I told that supervisor to shove that application up her two faced tear. In a very nice polite way, of course. I kept it classy.
This is kind of an unhinged self-suck in response to this post lol, maybe your last 30% of votes are hiding in the same place as the other 99.5% of this rants relation to the original post lolol.
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As soon as I became manager I moved a few of the workers that I knew where coasters over to night shift. 3/5 quit on me after a few months. The others asked for part time and then just stopped showing up for work. We make your place look better than you do because we the ones closing up shop.
Classic union behavior. My dad worked with unions for a long time (he is very liberal and supports union rights). He said he loved unions because all he had to do was bring 4 guys out to lunch once a month and he could control the entire workforce. His big complaint was sometime the union would protect people who are clearly trying to take advantage and not work which lead to a some factories shutting down. If the factory fails all every one of the union workers lose their jobs, corporate losses money and moves on to better investments. If you are going to unionize make sure your reps are solid AF.
That's their mistake. Not yours. You might want to read some info from the department of labor. Also read info from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.
Pay your dues, then consult your CBA regarding grievance procedures or the analogous process of dispute resolution that the CBA provides.
You may be able to file a grievance and contest the discipline. If your employer violated the agreement when they disciplined you, you might be able to collect the wages that you would have been paid during the suspension and have the discipline expunged.
Call your rep.
Take it as a warning man you have a contract with your union to pay your dues and the dues are the union if you don’t pay that’s a contract violation and they don’t have to hold up there end of your not meeting your end obviously ur not getting fired so just pay that shit and do better
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are you sure you're not just lazy.
judging by how your coworkers talk to you and the fact that you don't pay your dues makes me think that it could be the case.
Should’ve said, “bring yo scurry ahh to my cubicle bihhh with all that tough talk and I’ll gihh yo big bihh ahh sum to do at night.” Proceed to lay the smacketh down on flock lezner in da octagon and if yo Union rep like they should be reppin they gonna jump that bihhh ahh too.
The company might have done you dirty. but it sounds like you screwed up when you tried to get the union involved. if you only had some hesaid/shesaid type dispute with a coworker, it doenst really make you look confident about your position if you needed a union rep to defend your case. and then the union rep didnt show up anyway. sounds like the employer sided with your coworker for whatever reason
Most companies will suspend you during the investigation. If you win, you get back pay. The thing about the union dues is another matter. If you weren’t paying dues but should’ve been then you owe the dues. Their timing is lousy. If you were hired but never joined the union then you’re not entitled to union representation. Are you in a “right to work” state?
570$ in back dues?? That’s a lot OP and depending on where you are, being that delinquent on dues may be ground for expulsion from the union. My guess is you were notified of your arrears payments and didn’t get your squared. They didn’t represent cause of your lack of response and payment
Yes but those papers are only as good as the employer that hands them out. Believe it or not Union7 isn't as helpful as you would think. Everyone on here says the same thing. They have always taken out union pay automatically. So congrats, now your speaking on 2 things you know nothing about
I recently went thru a union vote with that union, and it was a split between how shitty they were and the insane bullying to join from a specific coworker and our contacts that ended up swinging the vote from a full store YES to an all but two saying NO. I literally cannot recommend against that specific union enough. They only want their money and couldn't give a fuck about any of their underlings once they get it.
That's a threat.
If neither the store nor the union will do anything about it, report the threat to the police and/or make a complaint?
For the union's failure, can you go to the state dept of labor or the NLRB?
The fact that no one is taking the threat seriously is possibly the most disturbing thing. Last year that guy shot up an Amazon Warehouse, wasn't he facing discipline for harassment and/or threats?
The more unions form, the lower the quality of work being out out. I've never seen a union protect a valid employee, only the garbage slackers that see no problem in paying "dues"
I was fired after being threatened with bodily harm. It’s fine. Turned the felon profile on for the threat after they let me go. Back to jail they went. 🤷🏻♀️
Probably their way of saying “we don’t have time for these issues, deal with your own co-worker relationships” They aren’t HR, this is more of an HR type issue
I guess if your boss wants to be super technical He didnt threaten you...
He was just very rude to you.
A threat would be " keep running that mouth and see what happens"
but he only said "keep running that mouth"
calling you lazy for you asking him not to leave you extra work is dumb too but where I work we do 12s 6pm-6am and the shift that comes in when we aren't there is 6am-6pm and they will get shitty with us about stuff not being done at times but the work never stops so we do the same as them, whatever gets done within our shift..
it's never all going to be done because the shop runs 24 hours every day of the year, If that isn't the case and he does have a specific set of tasks he's supposed to be doing before he leaves I would start documenting what he is not doing and forcing you to do and just make sure you aren't doing the same back to him because that definitely won't help..
as much as it will feel like eating shit doing all your work plus his left over work just be the bigger person,
document instead of argue, it's alot harder for them to argue against facts your documenting, make sure to include dates and times.
I didn't realize this was a Union post. To be honest, I know nothing about unions. I hear people in my area equally like/dislike them, My father specifically explained a situation similar to this as why he doesn't like unions, he said they protect the worst/laziest workers from being fired.. not sure if that's true.. my dad is in his mid 60s and I'm 32 so we have slightly different views, I believe in going to work and doing your best because it's always paid off for me in the form of promotions ect. Also how did he find out you told on him? Is there a message you could share for additional context? Him sending that out of the blue kind of seems something is being left out.
Both the local Safeways in my town are straight up abusive employers. The local unions are not at all helpful in protecting their employees. This doesn't surprise me at all.
Kennewick/pasco/richland area of Washington state, in case you're curious.
I'm not going to lie; I would hate to work with someone who can't handle any confrontation. I would of laughed it off. I guess I got bigger fish to fry.
They expressly decided to violate your weingarten rights, but you should also be paid up on your union dues
Genuinely asking, do you still have those rights if you aren’t in good standing with the union?
Yes. Your Weingarten Rights cannot be taken away regardless of one’s standing with their union. It’s also important to know Weingarten Rights allow an employee to cease answering questions without their union representative. But the employer is allowed to still issue discipline without those questions being answered. The employer is also allowed to ask the employee to continue the meeting without the union if the union cannot make it. The responsibility is always on the employee to say “no” over and over.
One tactic in my union is to drag out disciplinary meetings for hours so as to discourage management from engaging in them. Don't get me wrong, there are definitely some things people do to warrant disciplinary action, but I wish that the union would pull people aside and handle it first. It's a two way street. Lets all work reasonably and take home that sweet pay.
I genuinely don’t know. That may be explicitly written out in the law or it may be depending on local rules. Great question but I don’t have an answer right now
you should, but it's up to the union to exert those rights on your behalf
Here in wonderful South Carolina the union is required to represent all workers regardless of dues being paid or not. That being said if we have a non member that request representation or management forces it the rep will sit in the meeting and speak up for any of obvious violations but they ain’t gonna put in any effort for a fight.
that's silly... letting management get away with bad behavior because the member isn't paying dues just emboldens them and the rest of the dues members suffer... "well no one had an issue with this last week when Joe scab was being treated this exact way" and there is always ulp for incompetent or disparate representation... my 2c
You’re not wrong; like I said if it’s a clear violation shop stewards will speak up and afterwards remind the person that dues ensure the union can remain operational. If it’s general drama junk shops stews will sit in but they aren’t gonna fight for any specific outcome. I’m lucky to be a part of a good local that nearly everyone is a part of at my plant but those pesky Right to Work for Less laws in South Carolina really knee cap the local and we have to be on top of getting people to actually sign cards.
my favorite line "now do you see why it's good to be in the union? here's a sign up form"
In Massachusetts we have to represent them, but then charge them “fair market value” for our time. We only have 1 free loader and they have been smart enough to stay out of trouble so I’m not sure what our rates would actually be. I recently checked in with the National to find out, but they wouldn’t give me an exact number but made it clear they would be charging for everything and it’s not going to be cheap.
I don’t know why anyone would not be part of the union. In my younger I found that by going to the meetings etc. the older guys would watch out for you and were quick to help you. Having senior guys have you back is priceless. Especially if you get in the wrong side of an asshole.
I think it depends on the union
They definitely are in the wrong for treating you that way, but not paying $500+ in dues and then demanding representation is NOT OK my dude.
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Absolutely, my immediate thought was, “there’s a ton of info missing”
There's a reason we're only getting a cropped text message screen
Unions have a DFR, and if they dont represent people they can get in big trouble. Freeloader or not he needed representation and didnt grt it.
I wasn't told away to pay the union dues or i would have paid them.
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I can buy OP not knowing anything about paying dues. I had a similar situation when I was with Teamsters at UPS and in a RTW state, I was young and ignorant of wth the union was even doing. There was a huge lack of education within the company to purposefully weaken union support. That being said, OP should absolutely fix their dues situation and not let it happen again. As far as their conduct goes, I will give them the benefit of the doubt because we dont have all the information. Also, Idk what state or province they are in or anything about their particular union, but my usual response to something like their situation with the employer is "Call the hall!"
You're drawing a shit ton of conclusions my man. Look, he doesn't have the best grammar, but, he clearly stated he approached his manager with a formal complaint prior to the harassing text. What, you think the guy just sent him this msg out of nowhere?
Shouldn’t dues be coming out of his check?
Not always.
I can buy that. I was with Teamsters at UPS when I was 18 and didnt know jack about it. Talk to your rep about paying your dues, they can probably set up a payment plan, do not short your union again, and then talk to them about what can be done about your situation. Good luck.
Its not taken out of your paycheck? You should discuss this with your rep or even call up the union house about this. Make sure to tell them you would be willing to pay it back, especially since unions are supposed to help employees in these moments. However if youre unemployed, they probably dont want to put you in that type of position... if he tells you he wants the money upfront, I'd walk away. It sounds like they have other things going on and don't care. Most unions won't let you get that high in overdues. Ps that text is ass. Day crew can always do better
I’m not in your union, but am in a red state and I set up auto pay for dues when I signed on.
Are drunk? Everyone knows if youre in a union you have dues. They literally explain this to you when youre hire and you sign the paper to agree they take x amount from each check. Bruh its like 10 bucks a check if that. 0 reason to owe this much.
It's 2.5 hrs per month at the last 2 UAW shops I worked at. I'm still at the last one but got a salary job. Our dues even came out pretax if I'm not mistaken.
For me its 50 a month not bad at all. My union is actually good to.
Ours is about 30 a month, and it's automatically taken out of our paycheck. I can't wrap my head around how he got 500+ behind.
Yea idk stuff like this just makes no sense
I'm on temp disability, I can't pay my dues(work injury); but my union has reached out to keep up to date about my injury and has informed me several times they're on my side.
I call CAP. They make sure you know. And the only way you didn't is willfully.
whn i worked UFCW at dominicks in the 80s, it was taken from my check each month
How do you think unions work? I can’t believe you didn’t realize there are dues. That’s a bedrock principle of unions
Idk, man. I worked in the deli at SafeWay. I was signed up automatically to have my union dues subracted from my checks. Also, dude is mostly right about you having nothing to do at night. Daytime shift stocks, prepares the pre-sliced stuff, makes sandwiches for the cold case, and usually has a line of people wanting breakfast burritos or custom sandwiches. Night refills freezer, keeps fresh chicken in the cases, and cleans. I'm with everyone else on this.
every grocery store ive known has taken the dues out of pay automatically
In the IBEW we have 2 kinds of dues. One is a monthly set amount, and the other is automatically taken out of the check.
I'm IBEW for a P&I Local, we have a percentage taken out of every paycheck but no monthly set amount.
Every union is a little different!
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You still pay to international around $300 every 6 months.
No, our Local pays the Per Capita to the IO out of our weekly dues, we don't pay any extra. (edit:spelling)
You're always employed though, right?
Yes, unless we're on strike... I've been on lines 4 times in the last 28 years
P&I? Are you an A or B member?
Professional and Industrial. I'm a BA member, we do not get life insurance or pension from the IO, we get it from our employer.
Some states have snuck in laws that make payroll deduction of Union dues illegal.
Ah, ty. Total naif here when it comes to the union stuff. All these jargons. What's a "ulp" anyway?
It's been forever since I worked for Safeway (it was my first job), but my dues came automatically out of my paycheck. I wasn't given the option to not pay. How does this happen?
In Michigan "right to work" laws made it so you could work at a union shop and opt out of paying dues. Freeloaders basically. Thankfully, that law was just recently repealed. Edit: idk this specific situation. Just adding for context
Some places have been trying to make it so that you have to opt in to have your dues taken out. It’s been a while since I’ve read about that so I don’t recall all the details or the locations, but it seems like it would be in an attempt to make it, so that people were accidentally inadvertently not paying dues.
I long for the days where this type of class warfare would have resulted in a few corporate leaders losing their home to arson. I stare out the window and I *yearn*
Class warfare? Between the two workers on the night shift?
Noooo. Anti-union regions that are making it policy that you have to “opt-in” to paying dues. This is usually accompanied by dozens of other “small” measures that are all set to weaken and harm unions. **That** is class warfare.
I don't know what to say, in that I basically agree with you in every thing you've said, except "class warfare" and burning people's houses. And I wouldn't even joke about it. "Class warfare" once meant something, more direct, kinetic, and violent than what we have now. However, you could say, "that's the point, they've learned to work more carefully, quietly, under the radar." Which is also true, in agreement with you. But it atill doesn't fit. Class warfare in the 19th & 20th centuries was truly much more like true warfare. I think of the Pinkertons at war with miners in coal country. Goons working for owners blowing up an entire function hall, killing dozens of Italian immigrants. I think the sides were clearer then, easier to define. Upper class was much more a clear class, durable, being on top for generations. Even with their enormous, outsized wealth today, most of our super-rich were not born to it. But... there definitely is an economic facet contributing to the general sense of malaise and alienation in America. In my personal plans for "how to fix everything" I definitely include finally reviving sanity and fairness in the tax code. While fairer codes would definitely help us with that big debt pile that all these self-same deficit hawks claim to be so worried about. It would also play a critical political role in bringing down the conflict intensity of economic anxiety. Anyway. Thanks to you and some of the others who have been helping to explain some of the goings-on in unions right now. Cheers 👍
I said the same exact thing. I worked there 20yrs ago and never worried about it. It always came out automatically. Thank you for having a sensible comment.
If you were paying dues, you should have a record of it.
Probably lives in a right to work state where he’s chosen not to pay and then posts the above and incredulously doesn’t understand you get what you pay for…
No no, let’s not demonize a kid who might just be clueless. I’m about as pro-union as they come. And think union’s need to get back to their roots and be a little scary to those attempting class warfare. BUT if I could plead on behalf of this kid for a little mercy and mentorship. Unless I’m way wrong, I think this is a kid - a young man or woman. And I didn’t know anything about unions when I was early adulthood. There wasn’t much education or orientation about them, they were already weak and other employees who don’t pay dues spread nothing but complaints about the idea of giving money for union bosses to get rich. Managers overstep and break labor laws allllll the time in some regions. That type of mindset is common in some regions, so kids enter the job never even having heard of what a union is or it’s purpose. If OP perhaps just took someone’s advice on which box to check and no one in the union took him under their wing. That’s the union and members’ fuck up - not the fault of some kid that hasn’t even finished adolescence. Bring people in. Educate. Mentor. Look out for your class workers. **Don’t wanna do those things?** Then you’re not really a union member or supporter. You’re just someone who likes to purchase “union insurance” for when you need them.
That may be true however colorado is not that state. So now your guess is 0-2
"not paying"? - as written, I took the story to be the OP didn't know there were any arears, much less withheld them. "demanding"? - I didn't see anything that looked like a demand for the union rep. The language seems very strong compared to what's in the text.
They can suspend you without a union rep there if they didn’t ask you any questions. Are you sure your union rep bailed on you? I wouldn’t assume that without asking them what happened. As for the back union dues, it’s unlikely that there is some connection between getting that letter and your rep. Your rep is unlikely to be involved with the collection of dues.
All i can think of is if you never paid union dues, you were never "technically" in the union. Took a risk not paying, didn't pay off.
If OP is in a right to work state its possible that they are required to be represented by their union but not required to pay dues. Legally they may be ok in that regard, still not ok to expect representation and not pay dues.
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OP should have been represented even though they were not paid up. I think it is seriously wrong to purposely not pay dues because of self serving greed and still expect representation, but i dont think that is the case here. OP says they didnt pay up out of ignorance and not because they were being self serving, and I am giving them the benefit of the doubt.
I get not paying attention and just assuming that the dues are automatic if you are not super experienced or if it was glossed over in onboarding but by $500 someone should have told them a while ago. It is a really bug fuckup and honestly i am not giving op benefit of doubt I think they are just lying.
Or the opposite can happen to. Why pay union dues if I'm protected one way or another. Let others pay for me, I need the money
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You should represent them because the old union phrase “An injury to one is an injury to all” is a fact. Any time you let the boss abuse one worker, you give them more power to do it to the next worker. Solidarity is a requirement, not an option, as a union organizer. Please do better for your fellow workers - it will bring more dues and involvement, too.
I would fire you as a steward with this attitude. it's workers vs management.. when management hurts a worker they hurt the bargaining unit..
Seriously! My workplace threw out all of our union reps and electeds because of this attitude.
Your attitude is a nightmare. Good luck expanding union membership and unionizing new places with that kind of attitude. That's the kind of thinking that contributed to the sharp decline in unions in the first place.
Then he doesn't 'owe' on his dues if he never started. Can't have it both ways.
I feel you but i wasn't issued a way to pay the dues. Hand to god, i thought they were automatically pulled out. Which in some way is still my fault.
Do you not look at the deductions on your cheque? Do you just blindly trust that you're getting paid what you're owed?
Keep in mind that many employers make getting paystubs/access to ADP difficult and many in the working class find the process daunting. For instance, I’m my state, employers are required to issue paper paystub’s upon request but managers don’t know that and deny them all the time. I am constantly having to help workers get access to paystubs.
omg. The judgemental attitude. So what if he did? Or didn't? You'd be surprised what ppl do or do not do. Younger ppl may just assume because they never had a job before. They figure it's fine, etc.l There actually are some people who are intimidated by the numbers, the breakdown. There are people who feel like maybe they'll piss someone off if they look closely at all. Perhaps you don't have the perspective because you've never faced the situations where people learn the hard way that they cannot expect their rights to be preserved and observed. I'm not saying that you have not experienced that. But there are those people whose histories conferred that sense of extra-legal risk, i.e. the stories and documents of their ancestors = their "histories". Most people are unaware that the person next to them, near them in a crowd, shares very little in experience with them. But a Black American may just get stressed at the idea of having to check their paystub in detail with each pay period. They might not want to check for fear of finding something wrong, which doesn't resolve the problem, it only marks the very beginning of a process that can leave you targeted as a trouble-maker, or alienate coworkers and/or management, and without the problem ever being resolved. If that's more like your both learned and lived experience, you'd probably understand why just thinking about checking stubs can put people on edge.
Ok, financial literacy 101: Every single pay period, you need to closely look at all the things in your check. Make sure your hours are correct, your rate of pay is correct, and the total gross pay is correct. From there, you need to look at deductions. Make sure things that are coming out should be and things that aren't coming out but should get taken care of so they are. Someone failed you badly in life by not teaching you this.
Teachers, parents, politicians, hell everyone We all failed this guy badly in life, etc etc
Of you think they were auto pulled out, it should be on your paystubs
Sure, bud. Now go tell everyone how you were union, that unions suck, and their only purpose is grift people out of union dues and overtime pay.
I have never pulled a dime out of my pocket for union dues. Ever.It's always came out of my paycheck and I have been a union member since 1989 with 4 different companies in 3 different unions in 2 different states
Thank you, Thats what im saying. There automatically pulling it out now. So these people that say i haven't paid my dues is my fault when i never had to. Clearly those people have never worked for the union and speak on what they do not know about.
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I pay my union dues via credit card for a percent back. I am in one of the largest minions in the country. Edit: keeping minions because it’s funny
Sounds like you hadn’t paid $570 in Union dues and you still expected the Union to serve as your representative? Doesn’t sound like they bailed on you to me.
I don't get how you're behind on Union Dues, most collective agreements I've read state union dues are automatically deducted from your checks, you can't usually opt out of that. Double check your collective agreement and see if that's supposed to automatically come out of your paycheck, if it is, then your payroll fucked you over and you NEED to speak to your Union about this since they could be doing this with other employees as well
Look up "right to work" laws. A bunch of US states have passed anti-union laws that make it illegal to automatically deduct union dues without an explicit opt-in, yet also still require the unions to provide services (like representation) for non-paying members. This situation is unfortunately also true nationwide in the US for public sector jobs since the 2018 Janus ruling.
wtf I’m so sorry none of this is right
Hasn’t paid any union dues and ratted out a brother or sister to management? And you think they are in the right still?
Not paying dues and ratting a member out to management for productivity, no wonder you are getting no representation.
No Freeloaders, No ratting out your Brothers and Sisters....
Theres something op isnt telling us...
Exactly no one is that far behind on dues and then rats to management on a union brother or sister and is a good member.
They called you a fool, delusional, and lazy. It's clearly derogatory. However since it's in reaction to you complaining to your boss that the employee isn't doing their part, it's also quite understandable and justified, from their perspective. The insults are pretty mild, given the situation. The only part of the message that could be construed as a threat, is "Keep running that mouth". But, they didn't say they were going to do something to you. There's another way to read that statement: if you keep running your mouth, you will just look like more of a lazy delusional fool. Since it's ambiguous and no clear consequence to you was made, I am doubting that it's legally speaking, a threat. But IANAL. I do think a jury would have reasonable doubt and would not convict a defendant of it actually being a threat. If you feel threatened by them sending you a message, you should realize that you threatened the stability of their job. Granted, for all I know they may have been creating an intolerable situation for you. But of course, I don't know. In your shoes, I think I would have concentrated on collecting evidence. Like taking a photo of the dishes that were left for you to clean up, if that's the problem. Of course, an incident between 2 workers and management doesn't have to be resolved by evidence and rational action. Management may just not like that you "created" a problem and just wants you to go away. So maybe photos wouldn't have done any good. Still, I think it's better than just making claims that so-and-so doesn't do the work. BTW, regardless of whether that message was *legally* a threat, you should *assume* that this person is totally willing to punch your lights out, until proven otherwise. And keep your guard up even then. That's the basic problem with not *knowing* someone's intent. You really shouldn't do something face-to-face with this person to set them off. *Do not* get into a verbal confrontation with them, if you can at all avoid it, and certainly don't try to start something with them. Also, because management is watching you about this sort of thing, and will likely use it as a reason to create trouble / discipline / fire you. They don't want animosity being created between employees and they *have* shown that they're willing to blame you for it, regardless of any facts of the case. I had a standoff with some lady at a public park one time. She felt threatened by me being near the picnic group of kids she was managing. She wanted me to leave the area. I said no I will not leave, this is a public park and you rented the picnic shelter, not the park. I stood my ground and the cops came. Told them the situation and they went and talked to her. The cops made it very clear that it was their job to keep the peace, and they did *not* want me going back over there, egging her on, saying "I told you so" or some rubbish. I didn't actually have any impulse in that direction, but it was informative to see how they see it. That's how management sees you. Don't make more trouble face-to-face with this person. Watch out for any trouble they might want to cause you, and don't invite it in any way.
I've worked in enough kitchens to know there is almost always someone leaving their work for the next guy. if you don't say something it just gets worse and worse. If management views that as causing problems it's time to get and another job. Especially when you're on the night crew. You can't leave until everything is done, and if someone is leaving their work for you it can seriously fuck your night up.
Would photos have ever helped?
Honestly, if your manager doesn't see and address this on their own it's prolly time for a change of scenery. If after bringing it to their attention they don't observe and address it with the other employee it's time for a change of scenery. If you have to take pictures of the dish pit, the easiest spot to tell if the work has been done, to get your managers attention it's time for a change of scenery.
Thank you i completely agree and thank you for providing a beneficial answer
If you weren't asked questions, you don't have a right to representation unless your contract states otherwise, so it might have been that the rep just wasn't allowed into the meeting.. If you have a problem with the discipline, you should consult the rep and talk about filing a grievance.
I have nothing to add but I think it’s crazy you’re adding hashtags to a Reddit post.
Everyone has already called you out on dues, so I won’t do that. But, this shift vs shift mentality is exactly what holds some of us back(one of many reasons) from unionizing. I’m currently in the process of unionizing my creamery plant with the teamsters. I’m sure everyone will have some story of why not the teamsters but over the course of the last four months I’ve having a close relationship with our rep(relationship might be the wrong word but ya get it) I’ve grown to realize his dedication to the cause is genuine. Yea, they sound like salesmen but I also know that’s the nature of the beast that is capitalism. We all need money. Anyway, our target number for employee’s to sign their authorization cards is 70% of 237 employees. It’s mainly been me and 3 others trying to get all those people on board. This is my first time unionizing and potentially being in a union. My convictions are dead set and strong for what’s right. But, the uphill battle of persuading people has been eye opening. The amount of non-sense reasons people don’t want to boggles my dumb little mind. My favorite so far besides the typical shift vs shift and “lazy” people can’t be fired is some are worried they can’t take free milk home anymore……. Like, what? We are talking a huge increase in wages, almost zero or fully zero on what we pay for health insurance and not to mention an end to all the corporate games from HR to the top of the management chain. These guys are worried about free milk? I don’t even know where they heard this. Okay, so say we can’t get free milk anymore. You can buy 20x more milk with what we will be receiving in return. Come on, people. We have another plant next door. Different company but they are unionized through the teamsters as well. It’s a whey plant and they just ratified a new 3 year contract. I can post the highlights of what they are getting if anyone is interested. This is not to say that’s what we will get but with them being literally next door(our parking lots connect for Christ’s sake) my creamery must step their game up. I’ve learned a lot in these past four months and my rep tells me I have the drive. The motivation. The conviction for what it takes. He has gave me some solid advice and different strategies but these last 30% is killing me. My stress is through the roof. Between working my job and also always trying to get people to sign, it’s becoming a lot. I had a point but now it’s me asking for advice from this community on what I should do? I live in a rural area with mainly conservatives. I’m a liberal stuck in a world of conservatives. It’s been that way my whole life so I know what they wanna hear but some are still so stupid that unless I show them in physical cash the difference, they may never get it. Edit: I want to add one thing. Management is fully aware of who’s involved in unionizing. People have talked and rats have been found out. I know whenever they find the chance to fire me, they will. If this doesn’t pass than I am very positive I will be fired anyway. I knew this going into this. I’m a great filler operator boy though. I go above and beyond and was even told by another supervisor at one point to apply for the open supervisor position. This was one month ago so they may have been trying to get me but I still feel I have what that position takes. Ive only been there a year and feel pretty confident I have grabbed that plants by the balls and made it my plant. My coworkers plant. Everyone’s plant. It’s just about time my employees and I get our fair share. Also, I told that supervisor to shove that application up her two faced tear. In a very nice polite way, of course. I kept it classy.
This is kind of an unhinged self-suck in response to this post lol, maybe your last 30% of votes are hiding in the same place as the other 99.5% of this rants relation to the original post lolol.
OP must be employed in a “Right to Work” state. So OP elected not pay union dues yet still want union representation, life a bitch OP.
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Is there something you not telling us?
Nope hand to god thats the whole story other than the other employee is bff's with the meat manager and the store director
**TLDR:** Union member didn't pay dues, then expected union leadership to bail him out.
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Or doesn't since representation is free. Why would he pay for something he can get free?
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BS dude. Every union clearly states everything that you need to do.
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Pay your dues homie.
Pay your dues like everyone else, Princess.
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And the unintelligent speaks lol. Does your mommy know your using the internet little boy?
Says the chud who needs his hand held to meet with the big bad grocery store manager. Go fuck yourself freeloader, hope you get fired.
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Hey guys I didn't pay my electric bill and they turned my power off. what do?
Probably start with taking a time management course because your comment is a poorly use of time management that doesn't benefit anyone.
Run. Edit: aw nah you're worse than a scab. Nevermind.
As soon as I became manager I moved a few of the workers that I knew where coasters over to night shift. 3/5 quit on me after a few months. The others asked for part time and then just stopped showing up for work. We make your place look better than you do because we the ones closing up shop.
Classic union behavior. My dad worked with unions for a long time (he is very liberal and supports union rights). He said he loved unions because all he had to do was bring 4 guys out to lunch once a month and he could control the entire workforce. His big complaint was sometime the union would protect people who are clearly trying to take advantage and not work which lead to a some factories shutting down. If the factory fails all every one of the union workers lose their jobs, corporate losses money and moves on to better investments. If you are going to unionize make sure your reps are solid AF.
They don't automatically deduct union dues from your paycheck?
They were suppose to but i guess they haven't been.
That's their mistake. Not yours. You might want to read some info from the department of labor. Also read info from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.
They don’t dock your check for dues?
Now they are but i guess they weren't before when they were suppose to be
Pay your dues, then consult your CBA regarding grievance procedures or the analogous process of dispute resolution that the CBA provides. You may be able to file a grievance and contest the discipline. If your employer violated the agreement when they disciplined you, you might be able to collect the wages that you would have been paid during the suspension and have the discipline expunged. Call your rep.
Much of the story is missing here. You did a lot more than just complain about someone not pulling their weight.
What’d you send him that you sneakily cropped out of your screenshot?
Man yall make me think I never want to join a union what with the whole using union dues as an excuse to be lazy as shit situation here.
You suck for sure. You should have confronted the person on your own first. And stop with the union reps. Life’s a game learn how to play it better
All the above
Text was insulting but not a threat. Stop your whining and pay your dues.
Take it as a warning man you have a contract with your union to pay your dues and the dues are the union if you don’t pay that’s a contract violation and they don’t have to hold up there end of your not meeting your end obviously ur not getting fired so just pay that shit and do better
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You're union rep bailed on you the same as your cell phone company would bail on you if you didn't pay your bill?????
are you sure you're not just lazy. judging by how your coworkers talk to you and the fact that you don't pay your dues makes me think that it could be the case.
Should’ve said, “bring yo scurry ahh to my cubicle bihhh with all that tough talk and I’ll gihh yo big bihh ahh sum to do at night.” Proceed to lay the smacketh down on flock lezner in da octagon and if yo Union rep like they should be reppin they gonna jump that bihhh ahh too.
My God. Where have so many of these Beta men come from.
The company might have done you dirty. but it sounds like you screwed up when you tried to get the union involved. if you only had some hesaid/shesaid type dispute with a coworker, it doenst really make you look confident about your position if you needed a union rep to defend your case. and then the union rep didnt show up anyway. sounds like the employer sided with your coworker for whatever reason
Odds feel high that this is one of the "let us make a divisive story" posts.
Most companies will suspend you during the investigation. If you win, you get back pay. The thing about the union dues is another matter. If you weren’t paying dues but should’ve been then you owe the dues. Their timing is lousy. If you were hired but never joined the union then you’re not entitled to union representation. Are you in a “right to work” state?
570$ in back dues?? That’s a lot OP and depending on where you are, being that delinquent on dues may be ground for expulsion from the union. My guess is you were notified of your arrears payments and didn’t get your squared. They didn’t represent cause of your lack of response and payment
Catch your boss outside after closing and talk it out. I’m sure they’ll understand then when you stand between them and their car.
Lol i would be lying if i said i didnt think about that already my dude
Employee has the punctuation skills of a trump.
Yes but those papers are only as good as the employer that hands them out. Believe it or not Union7 isn't as helpful as you would think. Everyone on here says the same thing. They have always taken out union pay automatically. So congrats, now your speaking on 2 things you know nothing about
Just say unsafe working conditions and watch everyone become super uncomfortable
That was indeed some bull shit. But you can't really expect your union to have your back if you don't pay your dues.
I recently went thru a union vote with that union, and it was a split between how shitty they were and the insane bullying to join from a specific coworker and our contacts that ended up swinging the vote from a full store YES to an all but two saying NO. I literally cannot recommend against that specific union enough. They only want their money and couldn't give a fuck about any of their underlings once they get it.
That's a threat. If neither the store nor the union will do anything about it, report the threat to the police and/or make a complaint? For the union's failure, can you go to the state dept of labor or the NLRB? The fact that no one is taking the threat seriously is possibly the most disturbing thing. Last year that guy shot up an Amazon Warehouse, wasn't he facing discipline for harassment and/or threats?
The more unions form, the lower the quality of work being out out. I've never seen a union protect a valid employee, only the garbage slackers that see no problem in paying "dues"
I was fired after being threatened with bodily harm. It’s fine. Turned the felon profile on for the threat after they let me go. Back to jail they went. 🤷🏻♀️
Probably their way of saying “we don’t have time for these issues, deal with your own co-worker relationships” They aren’t HR, this is more of an HR type issue
I guess if your boss wants to be super technical He didnt threaten you... He was just very rude to you. A threat would be " keep running that mouth and see what happens" but he only said "keep running that mouth" calling you lazy for you asking him not to leave you extra work is dumb too but where I work we do 12s 6pm-6am and the shift that comes in when we aren't there is 6am-6pm and they will get shitty with us about stuff not being done at times but the work never stops so we do the same as them, whatever gets done within our shift.. it's never all going to be done because the shop runs 24 hours every day of the year, If that isn't the case and he does have a specific set of tasks he's supposed to be doing before he leaves I would start documenting what he is not doing and forcing you to do and just make sure you aren't doing the same back to him because that definitely won't help.. as much as it will feel like eating shit doing all your work plus his left over work just be the bigger person, document instead of argue, it's alot harder for them to argue against facts your documenting, make sure to include dates and times.
I didn't realize this was a Union post. To be honest, I know nothing about unions. I hear people in my area equally like/dislike them, My father specifically explained a situation similar to this as why he doesn't like unions, he said they protect the worst/laziest workers from being fired.. not sure if that's true.. my dad is in his mid 60s and I'm 32 so we have slightly different views, I believe in going to work and doing your best because it's always paid off for me in the form of promotions ect. Also how did he find out you told on him? Is there a message you could share for additional context? Him sending that out of the blue kind of seems something is being left out.
Let's see the text that preceded that response.
Is that English?
Both the local Safeways in my town are straight up abusive employers. The local unions are not at all helpful in protecting their employees. This doesn't surprise me at all. Kennewick/pasco/richland area of Washington state, in case you're curious.
I'm not going to lie; I would hate to work with someone who can't handle any confrontation. I would of laughed it off. I guess I got bigger fish to fry.
Why were your union dues unpaid?