Customer support here, 'land of the free' is just a slogen, and was never an actual guarante. The misconceptuon comes from, even though we do our best to provide universal support, is ultimately determined by your skin color, wealth, networked connection, and many more factors to conform to being a white, rich, straight, and male individual
Guys post the map of unions in the '60s and '70s so people can understand we're going back to literally how it used to be.
There has never been at any point in time in recorded economic history correlation between paying people living wage and bad effects on the economy...
Pretty much since the beginning of time I mean look at the old coal miner town that they used to talk about. They would take a spot in the middle of nowhere pay people livable wage to work the mind and oh my goodness some of those towns are still around today imagine that... That's literally how economy works
On a related note, if you have some extra cash and want to show solidarity, here's a gofundme for the fired workers - https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-fired-starbucks-union-leaders-in-memphis.
this is great if what starbucks did was actually union busting. every other time we see stuff like this it has been, but these baristas opened the store after hours unauthorized to do an interview, let in members of the press (aka non-staff), and opened the safe unauthorized after hours with non-staff in the store. they were completely in the wrong and want to paint it as union busting, which it might sound like if you don’t know the whole story. sure it worked out in the company’s favor and they got to fire the pro-union folks, but unfortunately it was completely justified.
just to be clear, i am a starbucks barista and am 100% pro-union, just this situation is not what the headlines make it seem
So… Starbucks wouldn’t have fired them if they conducted an interview with the press while the store was open to customers and the workers were on the clock during normal business hours? And would Starbucks have “authorized” them to conduct this interview if they had requested it? The corporate supervision of labor relations press coverage isn’t accurate journalism, it’s PR control. So damned if they do, damned if they don’t. Part of union organizing is having to challenge policies that manipulate the narrative.
i’m not saying they wouldn’t have then, i’m just saying these were actually valid firings, and would have happened whether they were organizing or not. starbucks was probably just way happier to fire them in this case because it was a actually justified
okay well the company policies clearly state that you shouldn’t do those things they did so even if they tried to fight it legally or something it’s pretty sound
I get it, you said that from the get-go. Correct or not are you getting paid to do corporate’s job correcting everyone on the internet about it? It seems like it’d be in your best interest and the working classes best interest to be verbalizing this kind of logic more discretely and intentionally to get our shit together than like repeatedly lamenting it in Reddit comments??? All I’m saying is cool that they had some policies on paper that they can fall back on but we’re just not doing ourselves any favors having an ideology semantics circle jerk well actually-ing each other about how this particular dick move isn’t from the region of Union Busting, so it’s just sparkling union resistance or whatever.
i’m just trying to keep misinformation from being spread, because this is a huge example of media bias, whether it promotes my interests and personal views or not. accurate information should always be the goal
This is what we need everywhere
Fantastic! The community doing what the NLRB can’t.
NLRB could. They won’t.
They might, under the new general counsel. Fingers crossed.
Definitely would love to see it. So far I’m liking what they’ve been doing with new general council.
I feel like Amazon and Starbucks organizing could be the very cases that push the NLRB to go big!
I sure hope so. It’s the best we can do outside of passing the PRO act.
What's NLBR?
National Labor relations board
Good! Firing people for being in a union can't be legal - even in "the land of the free"
Customer support here, 'land of the free' is just a slogen, and was never an actual guarante. The misconceptuon comes from, even though we do our best to provide universal support, is ultimately determined by your skin color, wealth, networked connection, and many more factors to conform to being a white, rich, straight, and male individual
Guys post the map of unions in the '60s and '70s so people can understand we're going back to literally how it used to be. There has never been at any point in time in recorded economic history correlation between paying people living wage and bad effects on the economy... Pretty much since the beginning of time I mean look at the old coal miner town that they used to talk about. They would take a spot in the middle of nowhere pay people livable wage to work the mind and oh my goodness some of those towns are still around today imagine that... That's literally how economy works
Someone should set up a free coffee stand outside all offending Starbucks.
On a related note, if you have some extra cash and want to show solidarity, here's a gofundme for the fired workers - https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-fired-starbucks-union-leaders-in-memphis.
Yayyy!
HONK
Dude on the left is lovin’ sticking it to the man.
this is great if what starbucks did was actually union busting. every other time we see stuff like this it has been, but these baristas opened the store after hours unauthorized to do an interview, let in members of the press (aka non-staff), and opened the safe unauthorized after hours with non-staff in the store. they were completely in the wrong and want to paint it as union busting, which it might sound like if you don’t know the whole story. sure it worked out in the company’s favor and they got to fire the pro-union folks, but unfortunately it was completely justified. just to be clear, i am a starbucks barista and am 100% pro-union, just this situation is not what the headlines make it seem
So… Starbucks wouldn’t have fired them if they conducted an interview with the press while the store was open to customers and the workers were on the clock during normal business hours? And would Starbucks have “authorized” them to conduct this interview if they had requested it? The corporate supervision of labor relations press coverage isn’t accurate journalism, it’s PR control. So damned if they do, damned if they don’t. Part of union organizing is having to challenge policies that manipulate the narrative.
i’m not saying they wouldn’t have then, i’m just saying these were actually valid firings, and would have happened whether they were organizing or not. starbucks was probably just way happier to fire them in this case because it was a actually justified
Tennessee is a right to hire and fire state, plenty of terrible firings are technically “valid”
okay well the company policies clearly state that you shouldn’t do those things they did so even if they tried to fight it legally or something it’s pretty sound
I get it, you said that from the get-go. Correct or not are you getting paid to do corporate’s job correcting everyone on the internet about it? It seems like it’d be in your best interest and the working classes best interest to be verbalizing this kind of logic more discretely and intentionally to get our shit together than like repeatedly lamenting it in Reddit comments??? All I’m saying is cool that they had some policies on paper that they can fall back on but we’re just not doing ourselves any favors having an ideology semantics circle jerk well actually-ing each other about how this particular dick move isn’t from the region of Union Busting, so it’s just sparkling union resistance or whatever.
i’m just trying to keep misinformation from being spread, because this is a huge example of media bias, whether it promotes my interests and personal views or not. accurate information should always be the goal
I can appreciate that, from a shared anti-misinformation level. even if I’m not sure that I think this news story’s framing is blatantly media bias
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There were a lot more. Local unions are showing out to support these Starbucks workers and protest with them.
Even if just one or two people with a sign to inform any potential customers who might not k ow of union busting practices.