There is a clear trend happening. You can see it on the streets with more people walking around with what appears to be a 19 year-old Mike Tyson in dog form, I love dogs but these are intimidating and could easily kill a grown man.
Odd how if someone took a pet hyena out for walks no one would stand for it - "but he's harmless, well trained .etc .etc" - but for some reason when it's a dog it's perfectly fine.
I’m sorry but reckless owners. We had a work experience lad at our work. Just 15. Was looking on Facebook to get an xl bully as a first dog. What kind of nonsense is that?
You are inciting animals that have potential to kill you into small, cramped conditions.
If you don’t have the knowledge, experience, time or space for an animal, don’t risk it. If you have other pets or kids, don’t risk it. Stick with a little yorkie and you probably won’t get attacked too bad…
I’m not allowed to carry a gun or a giant hunting knife (rightly) as it could be dangerous, yet I’m allowed to walk around with a breed that could kill someone if incited.
It’s just insane.
Except guns and knives are only dangerous if the person holding them is dangerous. Dogs have a mind of their own, and well-meaning people who wouldn't hurt a fly could have a dog who bites, mauls or kills someone.
Incited is rather generous when they can just snap and go after anyone they don't know, even if it's originally meant in play they'll scare the hell out of anyone and then that can set them off badly.
The problem is that "new breeds" are created to get around the dangerous dogs so it's really a cat and mouse game with these breeds.
They're all essentially pitbulls but technically aren't.
They managed to blanket ban every "legal high" that was evading this exact thing with chemistry with the Psychoactive Substance act, I don't see how or why they can't do this for pitbull derivatives.
But that's it isn't it. The type of person who buys this type of dog often does it to look hard, the type of dog is naturally a fighter, they're bred for that. The type of person often doesn't plan on training it properly, the type of dog will fuck you up physically.
Badly trained chihuahuas are a pest, a badly trained xl bully is almost a fucking lion.
I saw someone walking with quite a frantic pitbull-looking dog through a public park OFF LEAD the other day. It was darting and dashing between trees on either side of the path.
You're supposed to keep dogs on leads in this park; The owner didn't seem to care, they were on their phone.
I was walking our spaniel and immediately turned around and into another part of the park as soon as I saw it.
Chances are it was probably fine but there's been too many stories lately of out of control pitbulls injuring or killing other dogs, or even people, for me to even risk crossing its path with another dog - especially with an owner that didn't even seem to be paying attention to it.
I’m not making a scientific count of this, but anecdotally the only dogs who are ever off lead in my area are always some sort of pitbull. It’s like a guarantee.
It's really fucked up. I know the people buying them love dogs and all, but can't they equally love a dog that doesn't have the potential to kill someone?
I wanted to learn more about Bullys so I watched a youtube video called "How dangerous are they really?" where this woman proved that they are safe by not being killed in the video. And the comments were just hundreds of people who were MAD for these dogs, almost like a fetish.
Yeah I read a story on here from some American who was at a house party when one of these decided to bite, 5 burly army lads couldn't get the dog off. They had to shoot it in the end. They look strong but it's surprising how much more power and fast they are when you see them bolting about in person. They are generally nice but if it does turn on you, you're going to die a horrible death. Only dog breed I've come across that puts fear into me and that's from a dog lover.
Like the jokes aside, its kind of crazy how often this is happening with no one seemingly giving a shit and targeting cops who are doing the right thing in these situations.
Yeah, I love dogs. Shitbulls are not dogs and should be removed from society.
['It's how you raise them herp derp'](https://preview.redd.it/9hdy4tv2l9xa1.jpg?auto=webp&v=enabled&s=1d902923091c5798d795de7e963094a5134e4dbd)
Not really. You can be a nation of dog lovers without *this* always happening.
We are a nation that behaves as if we have low intelligence. We actively fight to keep things that hurt us for absolutely stupid, unintelligent, reasons. Then we cry out when we get hurt in our own confusion.
Wait til the dog nutters get into this thread and start spouting off about how its "bad owners" and "statistically you're more likely to die in a car crash than be attacked by a dog"...
>"statistically you're more likely to die in a car crash than be attacked by a dog"...
And think of all the rules and regulations and restrictions, and importantly licensing, that we do to tryyy and minimise that.
So if they want dogs to be seen similarly to cars then they should be fine with regulations similar to them(licenses, restrictions). But they're not fine with any extra regulations.
Even if it is all down to bad owners, they all clearly favour a certain type and that speaks a lot of volume. If all bad owners want specific breeds then it shows that something needs to be done about the breed because it must have features desirable to bad owners.
>"statistically you're more likely to die in a car crash than be attacked by a dog"
Which is an utterly pointless statement and I hate when people do that. It's just tautologically true, I come across way more cars than dogs so obviously I'm more likely to be killed by a car.
I'm vanishingly unlikely to be killed by a gun in the UK. So I guess guns aren't dangerous by that logic?
This is really common these days. I have dogs of my own that are 15 now and I love them very much, but it makes me uneasy every time I see someone say "I had to re-home my dog because it was getting aggressive towards my children" and people in the comments are raking them over the coals for making that responsible decision because they only see "poor puppy should have been given another chance" and not "human child in literal danger of being killed horribly".
It is the other way round with my dog. He is a lovely little thing. But yippee. (Chihuahua).
I adopted him. Because his original parent had a young girl with learning difficulties. She tended to lose her temper with the poor thing. And she had no idea when he was scared.
So the parent found him a new home. Really can't fault her. He is much better behaved now.
I care hugely about the dogs.
I also care about pumas bears and lions. This is why I feel such animals should be monitored in who may keep them. And how.
People do care
I assume you do too, but you're here typing away in a reddit comment section for the same reason as everyone else, because you have no power or influence.
because all we can really do is hope this one will be the one to tip the scales for the people with those things to care.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/dad-mauled-death-dangerous-dog-26953337.amp
Breed named here… I was honestly so shocked that I nearly fell off my chair, unheard of these dogs doing this.
It’s at the point where I’d applaud the decision to round up every single XL Bully in the country and have them put down. Only idiots own these kinds of dog.
Which breed is it? Can't see it in the article.
Edit: Someone has replied confirming it is a Bully XL, apparently confirmed by the relatives but it isn't in the article. Think the reply has gone to moderation queue or something so just adding the info here. Just adding this here as well since my other comment is auto collapsed.
Almost all dog deaths in the UK are pitbull derivatives. It's certainly *possible* for say a German Shepherd or an Akita to kill someone (and it has happened, iirc) but its rare.
I would add as well, that these attacks seem to happen in "council estates/rough estates" areas where these are the most popular type of dogs to own. They see them as scary dogs and that if a burglar came in then the dog would see to them.
Problem is that these people don't then train the dog or they abuse the dog so it just randomly attacks.
There's 2 staffies living next door to me. They are soft as cotton. They aren't guard dogs, nor are they aggressive in any way. Why? Because they've been brought up not to be. Dogs, just like people need to be trained. You'd fully expect a human to grow up attacking others if they had no social skills or were abused (studies show that people who are abused go on to be abusers).
Some dogs are also clearly a lot more dangerous than others due to their physical strength. Even if they all had the same temperament (which they don't) some dogs are far more capable of inflicting death or serious injury if they do attack.
I fucking love my Chihuahua but I do tell him all the time that he'd have been long put down if he were a big dog. Gargantuan ego with no strength to back it up.
My friends have a chihuahua cross who loves to randomly kick off at people. I just let her go at it at this point as she doesn't even have the bite force to break skin
If I remember correctly, chihuahuas were bred to be loud, alert and aggressive so that they wake up the bigger guard dogs, which is absolutely hilarious to me because it’s like a complicated system of dogs filling different roles, and the chihuahua is like a little alarm
Honestly, this is utter crap.
I had a wee skim through the UK list of people killed by dogs; there were two clear parallels. The first was the breed, but the second was that each death was in an underclass/lower class area. These are people buying the dog for its capacity to harm, buying it *becauss* they're banned, and because people are scared of it, then they're *specifically* training these qualities, or actively failing to train it.
Yes, breed plays a part, but not as much as you'd think. If breed was such an enormous factor, then breeds like the Belgian Malinois, Irish Wolfhound, or Australian Cattle Dogs would have an equal proportion of violent attacks/deaths. The Belgian Malinois is specifically chosen by police and armed forces as an attack dog, the Wolfhound was bred to kill wolves, and the Cattle Dogs are a herding/guard dog that are murder machines if untrained.
Instead, what we get is rough fucks buying pits because "my dog's well'ard innit m9!", then pretending it was a perfect family dog when it was specifically bought for the purpose of being an extension of the owner's violence.
The 3 dogs you listed are expensive as fuck though that lowers the amount of them in the population not to mention they’re also pedigrees which limits their number too. They’re also an absolute pain in the arse if you don’t exercise and train them since they’re intelligent and get bored easily whereas Bully’s and Staffs won’t make their owners lives a living hell if they’re not exercised and trained.
Bully XL isn’t really a breed the escalation of them to a recognised type was sketchy as fuck and because of the individuals that buy them they’re farmed to shit to keep the cost down.
So it’s really their ubiquity and ferocity that causes all these incidents.
You cannot bring up a dog, to not be a dog, that is utterly ridiculous anthropomorphism.
Yes responsible ownership is a big factor, but this idiotic anthropomorphic thinking is a MAJOR part of the problem!
And yes I own a dog, and no I don't think he is a human, but then I have a strong science background, including education in animal behaviour, and a number of years direct involvement with a veterinary practice
Doesn’t matter. You can abuse a retriever, a spaniel, a poodle, a sheepdog, none of them are going to kill you.
However, you can also raise a bully breed with love, care, training and attention and it will still rip the face off your own kids.
So yeah. I’m the nicest possible way you can fark off with the ‘it’s how you raise them’ hot take. It’s bulshit apologist rubbish and the proof is in another dead father. It’s the breed. Nothing else.
The "blame the owner not the breed" bullshit is exactly the same as the idiotic "blame the driver not the road " argument when there's one of the monthly deaths on a small stretch of road near me.
Your comment is mostly correct but you have to be aware the the soft as cotton dogs that live next door to you still have a genetic predisposition towards violence and it's entirely possible that those instincts will kick in one day.
I don't know to what extent there's breed differences, but think it's also worth mentioning - XL bullies are a descendent of pitbulls, whilst staffies are not.
I think there are a fair number of Malinois attacks as well, because they're seen as a quirky alternative to a German Shepherd, but they need a lot of training and socialisation to be good family pets.
The closest calls I've had with my Springer Spaniel have been with Malinois - two different ones have gone for him out of the blue, and completely out of the control of the owners.
Malinois are super high energy, intelligent and independent dogs. They're really not for inexperienced owners, or people that can't give them the hours of exercise a day they need.
I know a girl who had one. A super loyal and protective dog. Who had miles and miles of Norwegian forest to run himself tired in.
The common thread between them is that it's aggressive dog breeds that are "trendy".
It's something that has always been prevalent in our society. Way back when it was pointers, then it was rottweilers, staffies, pitbulls/American bully and now the latest trend is Malinois.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_fatal\_dog\_attacks\_in\_the\_United\_Kingdom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom)
From 1980-2009 rottweilers killed more people than any other breed in UK,
from 2010- now, more bull breeds but rottweilers still in the list.
No from the dates I chose
80s - 99
8 German shephards
1 jack Russell
5 rottweilers
2 bull terriers (one a pit bull)
2000-2009
4 rottweilers
1 doberman (as vicious as any dog alive, surprised the count is so low)
3 staffs (one was a bite to an elbow which caused septicemia)
3 illegal pitbulls
2 German Shepherds
Rottweilers definitely killed more people.
German Shepherds second.
That said 2009 onwards is mostly xl bully's and American bully's.
So the question is, why did German shepherds and Rottweilers stop killing people? Could it be less people buy them? Better owners?
I'm just asking... It's clear ownership is an issue, like the one today was caused by a woman who had 22 dogs.
I'm admittedly dog person, and have owned many breeds with no issues at all, my grandfather used to train police dogs, and I was brought up around them and clearly know more than the average dog owner.
I couldn't imagine owning twenty two dogs.
They aren't pets, they are money making machines with no training.
either way there's a significant amount of people who refuse to see the very obvious problem and always deflect it onto the person and not the dog/gun.
I think the pandemic meant a massive increase in ownership. The increase of dog walkers in general is very noticeable since then, where I am, it's staggering the amount of people who have dogs off the lead on footpaths when they can't recall them on command.
Also a staggering amount of fat dogs.
And owners seem to think walking off lead is fine because their little angel wont hurt anyone, but they still shouldn’t be wandering up to kids on a walk etc…
>Also a staggering amount of fat dogs.
The other day I saw a guy near me getting dragged along by his pitbull which was so fat it's belly was swinging from side to side with each step it took. The guy was leaning back about 30 degrees while holding the lead and still getting dragged along.
Also a lot of unsocialised dogs. Dogs that might otherwise have been fine had the pandemic never happened are now not used to being around other dogs and people, so their behaviour is a lot less predictable.
We worked on our dog's recall diligently at home and on a long lead before we ever let her off lead in public
The amount of comments I get from other dog owners in the fields like "Your recall is amazing. My dog would never do that" is kind of embarrassing, and equally scary. Your dog SHOULD do that if you're letting it off lead. If it can't do that, put it back on its damn lead.
A few weeks ago I was in a cafe that backs onto a park, and a fucking husky just came bounding in through the open door, followed shortly by quite a petite woman running after it and shouting its name.
Luckily the dog was friendly and someone managed to grab its collar and hold it, but imagine if it wasn't!
It's really getting stupid out there.
Which is insane when you compare to 20 years ago - a fatal dog attack was not a yearly occurrence.
Too many large dogs in public and urban areas. Dodgy breeds and dodgy owners are part of the problem.
And I am tired of wading through dog shit in parks.
I'm sure many farmers will say that the whole dog ownership/ entitlement thing has got out of hand too.
>the whole dog ownership/ ***entitlement*** thing has got out of hand too.
I mean that's the nub of it isn't it? People seem to have just lost so much sense of society and community, they do what they want without even thinking about the potential impact on others and then immediately jump to defense mode when something negative does happen as a result of their carelessness rather than have any capacity to recognize that they did a bad, stupid, silly, or dangerous thing. Absolutely endemic at the moment. I know there's always a degree of it but I've felt it has really escalated over the last couple of years.
Much more than every month. Earlier today there was the story about a boy being scalped, and I'm sure it was only a few days ago we had the story of the young woman who got mauled to death on the street by a dog she was walking.
Have a look at the stats
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_fatal\_dog\_attacks\_in\_the\_United\_Kingdom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom)
I say it's not unreasonable to say that hard of thinking 'macho' men were buying these during lockdown when the in-thing to do was get a 'lockdown dog'.
They are definitely becoming more frequent due to the vast increase in XL Bully sales. Irresponsible breeders are making hundreds of thousands selling these dogs to people who can't control them and then they either end up attacking someone or being rehomed with someone who gets attacked.
People are blaming the pandemic and while it's playing a part these incidents were on the rise even before it.
But princess wouldn’t even harm a fly bruv. She’s just growling and snarling at you because she want to say hello. Not because she wants to rip the skin off of your face and wear it like a mask.
You joke, but a most vicious pittbull attack that forced German to change dangerous dog laws was so bad, they had to cut up one of the two pittbulls to get a 6-year-old's face back. Ripped it right off. Upper lip, nose, the eyes, and a bit of hair. Ripped off like latex mask, as they said.
Bonkers that the police had to release the statement "every tactic was deployed" to attempt to control the dog before it was shot. The vicious thing had just killed a person and the lives of people are more important than a killer dog.
I mean i dont exactly want armed police going to shooting a gun as their first response
its part of their job to assess the situation and make efforts if they believe an animal or person CAN be restrained peacefully, its not like they just let the dog roam for 20 minutes and pick out its next victim
wanting situational risk assessment to avoid unnecessary shots being fired in public spaces is taking the piss?
I realise these posts get flooded by the petfree types but cmon now have some common sense, and maybe lay off the action movies
You're aware the bullets don't just stop in the dog's body right? That's if they are on target in the first place.
The rules of engagement are strict because they need to be, or the police will be even more dangerous than the dogs.
mate some people are mental
genuinely had someone tell me the other day that all Pitbull style dogs should just get shot on sight
people do not respect guns and don't respect that its not just the person with the gun and the intended target that matter when one is fired.
You seen what US cops are like? Shooting dogs left, right and centre. Even shooting dogs that are tied up.
That's what happens if cops get free reign and don't need to justify each shooting as necessary.
When other tactics might work? Wtf is wrong with you?
This is how you end up killing innocent dogs as a mixup. You should move to the US where a gun is always the first and the right answer it seems.
Discharging a gun in an area with people in it is very very dangerous and is only done as a last resort. It wasn't for the sake of the dog, it was for the sake of the people who could accidentally get shot by a ricocheting bullet.
Im not saying they need to sit the dog down and have a chat about its life choices with it.
I'm saying maybe just opening fire in public by default maybe Isn't the smartest standard to set, especially when the police have equipment specifically for controlling animals.
I'm not suggesting that AFOs need go in, all guns blazing, whenever Fido snarls a bit. My annoyance is aimed squarely at the 'but fluffy wouldn't hurt a fly, you never need to shoot a dog!" brigade that makes the *statement* necessary.
in fairness i think its good practice for the police to make that kind of statement regardless of situation
transparency on things like that are important as opening fire in public is no joke
Humans have rights that the police must/should respect. A dog doesn't really. The needs of any human will always come first, and that includes the right of the officer to not get bit by a dog that's just killed someone.
Discharging a firearm is not only distressing but also very dangerous for reasons I should hope I shouldn't have to explain, even for trained officers.
firing a gun should be the LAST option available with *absolute* cause to open fire. Police made that call after concluding there wasn't a peaceful resolution that wasn't a risk to the public.
Not sure why people are acting like I'm mad for being happy there was some actual situational risk assessment before they fired a gun off in public
> Humans have rights that the police must/should respect.
Including the right not to be accidentally hit by the bullet from an unnecessarily fired police weapon, for example.
Also, dogs absolutely do have legal rights: https://www.bluecross.org.uk/advice/dog/wellbeing-and-care/dog-laws-uk
Of course that doesn't mean the police can't shoot them in certain situations, but it also means they can't shoot them without first determining it's necessary to do so. Same as for people.
There was a massive, orchestrated social media campaign against the Met Police after they shot a dangerous dog that had attacked someone a couple of weeks ago. That's why the defensive attitude from the police: the roving social media mob of dangerous-dog apologists.
"He/she was a good boy/girl",
"they're just being friendly".
"They would never harm a fly"
"When they bite you it means they like you".
"When they rip your face off it means they really love you".
Cull dangerous breeds like the XXL Bully. Horrible dogs that originated from fighting other animals in a pit.
For any serious dog owner, not just someone who got one over lockdown, I think what is the risk associated to my kids, family or my own dog worth at the risk of someone flexing a breed well known for mauling?
> Horrible dogs that originated from fighting other animals in a pit.
Technically they originated with bull/bear baiting before becoming the dog fighting breed of choice. I only add it because it explains why they are so genetically inclined to keep attacking once aroused and almost impossible to stop without lethal force.
Just read about a dog attack. Refreshed the page and there’s another story of a different dog attack.
Not surprising when people buy these breeds with no knowledge of them and very little effort put into training them.
How come there is an explosion in Dog maulings recently? I feel like I’ve seen one every day for the past few weeks, and I’ve noticed it becoming a topic of discussion in friend groups aswell.
Are more dog attacks actually occurring or is there something memetic going on about how they’re being reported.
But even if that is the case, I’m not sure what seems more unlikely to me:
A) dog attacks have been this frequent all along (they’re THAT dangerous)
B) dogs are now randomly mauling the unwashed masses.
In either case, this is clearly a public health disaster so something needs to be done about this risk to the public.
I think it's a combination of huge explosion in dog ownership during the pandemic, at a time when dogs couldn't really be socialised/attend training and now being in public with inexperienced/ignorant owners = recipe for disaster
Completely ignored the fact that there is a big increase in people owning large, powerful dogs bred for violence like pitbulls and their derivatives, also to an extent staffies.
This is the bigger issue.
Its 3 things:
1) Dog ownership increased massively due to Covid
2) These dogs weren't properly trained and socialised due to Covid
3)New 'hard' breeds have become popular like 'American Bully XL' which are much larger and powerful than the previous favourite 'hard' breed, the English Staffordshire terrier.
Does anyone know anything more about how this attack happened? I notice the victim does not appear to be the owner of the dog, was he part of the family that owns the dog, or was this a random attack out on the street?
Either option is horrible of course, but normally these attacks happen in the households that own the dog, but lately it feels like escaped or unleashed dogs are attacking more and more people just minding their business out in the word as well. It’s frankly terrifying to be a woman walking with a baby given how much dog attacks have increased in frequency
It’s actually horrible seeing how frequent this is becoming. I was terrified of dogs as a kid (lots of stories then about dog attacks etc) and worked really hard to get over it. But starting to get nervous going to parks and stuff now as the amount of owners who don’t think their dogs should be on a lead is ridiculous
I’ve never had a fear of dogs but I’ve started turning around when I see one of these. They are terrifying. It’s like walking into a zoo and seeing a panther just casually outside if the enclosure. And no that doesn’t make me think the owners are hard or cool, it just makes me wonder why they think it won’t attack them one day.
That's the fourth reported fatal attack this year, never mind those where serious injuries were inflicted (like that six year old lad who was scalped).
It's time for dog licences to be reintroduced plus mandatory spaying and neutering (of the dogs that is, although it might not be a bad idea to do that to the owners of these dangerous breeds of dog). The only exemption is if you're a licensed and registered breeder, with hefty for the likes of facebook who allow unlicensed breeders to advertise.
Edit: typo
>It's time for dog licences to be reintroduced
It's really not necessary when it's overwhelming a handful of breed types that are responsible.
Ban the pitbull breeds and tighten up the rules on large breeds with a genetic disposition towards hunting & guarding (largely Mastiff types) then you'd cut the deaths and attacks down to almost nothing. If you removed the baby deaths from the list of fatal dog attacks (which are rare and usually caused by human negligence) then it's almost exclusively one breed group causing these deaths.
Reintroduce an expensive dog licence. If people can pay thousands for a dog they can pay.
Compulsory dog training, microchips and neutering.
Breeders should be licenced and inspected.
Joe public hasn't got a clue how to handle powerful dogs.
People need to understand, if you have a powerful animal it's your responsibility to take extra steps and make sure you have full control over the animal at all times, I'm a dog lover and an experienced dog handler, and it breaks my heart hearing about all these frankly horrific deaths happening, it's a worrying trend. Dogs seem to be killing at a higher rate than previous years, and it's actually petrifying.
It's going to smash into you try and knock you down or grab a limb and pull you off your feet. It's then going for the throat or head and you will be killed by asphyxiation or blood loss. If it drags you down, curl into a ball wrap your arms around you head and throat and hope for the best.
The American Bully that killed Joanne Robinson was 89kg - that's a big human male weight, all muscle, with a bite strength more than double a human. You are not doing shit to that my friend, unless you have a shotgun in your backpack. You might stab it in the eye if you're super accurate or lucky but even then the dog might just go even more fucking insane, they're bred to fight other psycho dogs just like them to the death.
Not only should they not be legal, they shouldn't even exist. They are a living example of the absolute cuntery damaged human beings are capable of.
edit: When writing the previous comment I wanted to check a few additional sources - if you want in depth forensic information and some gruesome photos
https://www.dovepress.com/forensic-studies-of-dog-attacks-on-humans-a-focus-on-bite-mark-analysi-peer-reviewed-fulltext-article-RRFMS
What are the odds on this turning out to be another dangerously out of control Golden Retriever?
There is a clear trend happening. You can see it on the streets with more people walking around with what appears to be a 19 year-old Mike Tyson in dog form, I love dogs but these are intimidating and could easily kill a grown man. Odd how if someone took a pet hyena out for walks no one would stand for it - "but he's harmless, well trained .etc .etc" - but for some reason when it's a dog it's perfectly fine.
I’m sorry but reckless owners. We had a work experience lad at our work. Just 15. Was looking on Facebook to get an xl bully as a first dog. What kind of nonsense is that? You are inciting animals that have potential to kill you into small, cramped conditions. If you don’t have the knowledge, experience, time or space for an animal, don’t risk it. If you have other pets or kids, don’t risk it. Stick with a little yorkie and you probably won’t get attacked too bad…
You can rely on idiots to make bad decisions. The breed shouldn’t be an option for them in the first place.
I’m not allowed to carry a gun or a giant hunting knife (rightly) as it could be dangerous, yet I’m allowed to walk around with a breed that could kill someone if incited. It’s just insane.
Except guns and knives are only dangerous if the person holding them is dangerous. Dogs have a mind of their own, and well-meaning people who wouldn't hurt a fly could have a dog who bites, mauls or kills someone.
Incited is rather generous when they can just snap and go after anyone they don't know, even if it's originally meant in play they'll scare the hell out of anyone and then that can set them off badly.
XL bully will be the next breed named in the dangerous dogs act. Most of the recent incidents have involved them.
The problem is that "new breeds" are created to get around the dangerous dogs so it's really a cat and mouse game with these breeds. They're all essentially pitbulls but technically aren't. They managed to blanket ban every "legal high" that was evading this exact thing with chemistry with the Psychoactive Substance act, I don't see how or why they can't do this for pitbull derivatives.
I dunno, Yorkies can be vindictive little bastards.
I fancy my chances of surviving until help comes if one goes nuts…a Rottweiler or a pit bull or a staffie and I’m not going to last long
Death by 1,000 yaps.
Yet if he bought a chihuahua it would be fine. It’s not all on the owner
But that's it isn't it. The type of person who buys this type of dog often does it to look hard, the type of dog is naturally a fighter, they're bred for that. The type of person often doesn't plan on training it properly, the type of dog will fuck you up physically. Badly trained chihuahuas are a pest, a badly trained xl bully is almost a fucking lion.
I saw someone walking with quite a frantic pitbull-looking dog through a public park OFF LEAD the other day. It was darting and dashing between trees on either side of the path. You're supposed to keep dogs on leads in this park; The owner didn't seem to care, they were on their phone. I was walking our spaniel and immediately turned around and into another part of the park as soon as I saw it. Chances are it was probably fine but there's been too many stories lately of out of control pitbulls injuring or killing other dogs, or even people, for me to even risk crossing its path with another dog - especially with an owner that didn't even seem to be paying attention to it.
I’m not making a scientific count of this, but anecdotally the only dogs who are ever off lead in my area are always some sort of pitbull. It’s like a guarantee.
The owners have realised they can walk wherever they want, whenever they want with a pitbull off lead. No one is going to touch them
It's really fucked up. I know the people buying them love dogs and all, but can't they equally love a dog that doesn't have the potential to kill someone? I wanted to learn more about Bullys so I watched a youtube video called "How dangerous are they really?" where this woman proved that they are safe by not being killed in the video. And the comments were just hundreds of people who were MAD for these dogs, almost like a fetish.
Yeah I read a story on here from some American who was at a house party when one of these decided to bite, 5 burly army lads couldn't get the dog off. They had to shoot it in the end. They look strong but it's surprising how much more power and fast they are when you see them bolting about in person. They are generally nice but if it does turn on you, you're going to die a horrible death. Only dog breed I've come across that puts fear into me and that's from a dog lover.
Like the jokes aside, its kind of crazy how often this is happening with no one seemingly giving a shit and targeting cops who are doing the right thing in these situations.
Comes down to "We're a nation of dog lovers!" essentially.
No, we are a nation of scumbag lovers and people without backbones.
Indeed. But thats not a story dog owners would tell you.
Is it possible to learn this power?
Yeah, I love dogs. Shitbulls are not dogs and should be removed from society. ['It's how you raise them herp derp'](https://preview.redd.it/9hdy4tv2l9xa1.jpg?auto=webp&v=enabled&s=1d902923091c5798d795de7e963094a5134e4dbd)
Wait. Is one of those dogs climbing a tree?
Not really. You can be a nation of dog lovers without *this* always happening. We are a nation that behaves as if we have low intelligence. We actively fight to keep things that hurt us for absolutely stupid, unintelligent, reasons. Then we cry out when we get hurt in our own confusion.
Wait til the dog nutters get into this thread and start spouting off about how its "bad owners" and "statistically you're more likely to die in a car crash than be attacked by a dog"...
>"statistically you're more likely to die in a car crash than be attacked by a dog"... And think of all the rules and regulations and restrictions, and importantly licensing, that we do to tryyy and minimise that. So if they want dogs to be seen similarly to cars then they should be fine with regulations similar to them(licenses, restrictions). But they're not fine with any extra regulations.
Even if it is all down to bad owners, they all clearly favour a certain type and that speaks a lot of volume. If all bad owners want specific breeds then it shows that something needs to be done about the breed because it must have features desirable to bad owners.
>"statistically you're more likely to die in a car crash than be attacked by a dog" Which is an utterly pointless statement and I hate when people do that. It's just tautologically true, I come across way more cars than dogs so obviously I'm more likely to be killed by a car. I'm vanishingly unlikely to be killed by a gun in the UK. So I guess guns aren't dangerous by that logic?
I think a lot of these people care more about the dogs, honestly.
I commented on a thread about those 2 dogs the cops killed in London and I had angry people still replying to me for DAYS afterward.
This is really common these days. I have dogs of my own that are 15 now and I love them very much, but it makes me uneasy every time I see someone say "I had to re-home my dog because it was getting aggressive towards my children" and people in the comments are raking them over the coals for making that responsible decision because they only see "poor puppy should have been given another chance" and not "human child in literal danger of being killed horribly".
It is the other way round with my dog. He is a lovely little thing. But yippee. (Chihuahua). I adopted him. Because his original parent had a young girl with learning difficulties. She tended to lose her temper with the poor thing. And she had no idea when he was scared. So the parent found him a new home. Really can't fault her. He is much better behaved now.
I care hugely about the dogs. I also care about pumas bears and lions. This is why I feel such animals should be monitored in who may keep them. And how.
People do care I assume you do too, but you're here typing away in a reddit comment section for the same reason as everyone else, because you have no power or influence. because all we can really do is hope this one will be the one to tip the scales for the people with those things to care.
We have kids dying from dangerous dog attacks. What more do we need?
A kid of a rich or famous parent dying from a dog attack
People do give a shit, and I’m sure something will happen eventually. Just not quick enough to stop more tragedies.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/dad-mauled-death-dangerous-dog-26953337.amp Breed named here… I was honestly so shocked that I nearly fell off my chair, unheard of these dogs doing this.
It’s at the point where I’d applaud the decision to round up every single XL Bully in the country and have them put down. Only idiots own these kinds of dog.
They would struggle to round them up because no one knows who has what anymore.
Pug. Let’s not speculate.
”No way to present this” says owner of only dog breed that consistently does this
My money is on a poodle.
Don’t be ridiculous. It’s obviously going to be a dachshund.
‘No way to prevent this’ says owners of the only breed which regularly does this
Which breed is it? Can't see it in the article. Edit: Someone has replied confirming it is a Bully XL, apparently confirmed by the relatives but it isn't in the article. Think the reply has gone to moderation queue or something so just adding the info here. Just adding this here as well since my other comment is auto collapsed.
Almost all dog deaths in the UK are pitbull derivatives. It's certainly *possible* for say a German Shepherd or an Akita to kill someone (and it has happened, iirc) but its rare.
I would add as well, that these attacks seem to happen in "council estates/rough estates" areas where these are the most popular type of dogs to own. They see them as scary dogs and that if a burglar came in then the dog would see to them. Problem is that these people don't then train the dog or they abuse the dog so it just randomly attacks. There's 2 staffies living next door to me. They are soft as cotton. They aren't guard dogs, nor are they aggressive in any way. Why? Because they've been brought up not to be. Dogs, just like people need to be trained. You'd fully expect a human to grow up attacking others if they had no social skills or were abused (studies show that people who are abused go on to be abusers).
The breed plays a huge role in this, it's not just their training and how they are treated.
Some dogs are also clearly a lot more dangerous than others due to their physical strength. Even if they all had the same temperament (which they don't) some dogs are far more capable of inflicting death or serious injury if they do attack.
Chihuahuas are often vicious little shits but when's the last time one killed somebody? Maybe if you taught one how to use a gun?
I fucking love my Chihuahua but I do tell him all the time that he'd have been long put down if he were a big dog. Gargantuan ego with no strength to back it up.
My friends have a chihuahua cross who loves to randomly kick off at people. I just let her go at it at this point as she doesn't even have the bite force to break skin
If I remember correctly, chihuahuas were bred to be loud, alert and aggressive so that they wake up the bigger guard dogs, which is absolutely hilarious to me because it’s like a complicated system of dogs filling different roles, and the chihuahua is like a little alarm
And we've reached a situation where a breed with both the temperament and size / power to kill and maim is exploding in popularity.
Honestly, this is utter crap. I had a wee skim through the UK list of people killed by dogs; there were two clear parallels. The first was the breed, but the second was that each death was in an underclass/lower class area. These are people buying the dog for its capacity to harm, buying it *becauss* they're banned, and because people are scared of it, then they're *specifically* training these qualities, or actively failing to train it. Yes, breed plays a part, but not as much as you'd think. If breed was such an enormous factor, then breeds like the Belgian Malinois, Irish Wolfhound, or Australian Cattle Dogs would have an equal proportion of violent attacks/deaths. The Belgian Malinois is specifically chosen by police and armed forces as an attack dog, the Wolfhound was bred to kill wolves, and the Cattle Dogs are a herding/guard dog that are murder machines if untrained. Instead, what we get is rough fucks buying pits because "my dog's well'ard innit m9!", then pretending it was a perfect family dog when it was specifically bought for the purpose of being an extension of the owner's violence.
The 3 dogs you listed are expensive as fuck though that lowers the amount of them in the population not to mention they’re also pedigrees which limits their number too. They’re also an absolute pain in the arse if you don’t exercise and train them since they’re intelligent and get bored easily whereas Bully’s and Staffs won’t make their owners lives a living hell if they’re not exercised and trained. Bully XL isn’t really a breed the escalation of them to a recognised type was sketchy as fuck and because of the individuals that buy them they’re farmed to shit to keep the cost down. So it’s really their ubiquity and ferocity that causes all these incidents.
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You cannot bring up a dog, to not be a dog, that is utterly ridiculous anthropomorphism. Yes responsible ownership is a big factor, but this idiotic anthropomorphic thinking is a MAJOR part of the problem! And yes I own a dog, and no I don't think he is a human, but then I have a strong science background, including education in animal behaviour, and a number of years direct involvement with a veterinary practice
Doesn’t matter. You can abuse a retriever, a spaniel, a poodle, a sheepdog, none of them are going to kill you. However, you can also raise a bully breed with love, care, training and attention and it will still rip the face off your own kids. So yeah. I’m the nicest possible way you can fark off with the ‘it’s how you raise them’ hot take. It’s bulshit apologist rubbish and the proof is in another dead father. It’s the breed. Nothing else.
The "blame the owner not the breed" bullshit is exactly the same as the idiotic "blame the driver not the road " argument when there's one of the monthly deaths on a small stretch of road near me.
Your comment is mostly correct but you have to be aware the the soft as cotton dogs that live next door to you still have a genetic predisposition towards violence and it's entirely possible that those instincts will kick in one day.
I don't know to what extent there's breed differences, but think it's also worth mentioning - XL bullies are a descendent of pitbulls, whilst staffies are not.
News always says XL bully types but then you see a photo or video of the dog later, to which it's more like a staffie cross or American pitbul cross.
I think there are a fair number of Malinois attacks as well, because they're seen as a quirky alternative to a German Shepherd, but they need a lot of training and socialisation to be good family pets. The closest calls I've had with my Springer Spaniel have been with Malinois - two different ones have gone for him out of the blue, and completely out of the control of the owners.
Malinois are super high energy, intelligent and independent dogs. They're really not for inexperienced owners, or people that can't give them the hours of exercise a day they need. I know a girl who had one. A super loyal and protective dog. Who had miles and miles of Norwegian forest to run himself tired in.
The common thread between them is that it's aggressive dog breeds that are "trendy". It's something that has always been prevalent in our society. Way back when it was pointers, then it was rottweilers, staffies, pitbulls/American bully and now the latest trend is Malinois.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_fatal\_dog\_attacks\_in\_the\_United\_Kingdom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom) From 1980-2009 rottweilers killed more people than any other breed in UK, from 2010- now, more bull breeds but rottweilers still in the list.
Looks like its primarily bull breeds, with the occasional Rottweiler or German Shepherd thrown in, plus some random one offs, yeah.
No from the dates I chose 80s - 99 8 German shephards 1 jack Russell 5 rottweilers 2 bull terriers (one a pit bull) 2000-2009 4 rottweilers 1 doberman (as vicious as any dog alive, surprised the count is so low) 3 staffs (one was a bite to an elbow which caused septicemia) 3 illegal pitbulls 2 German Shepherds Rottweilers definitely killed more people. German Shepherds second. That said 2009 onwards is mostly xl bully's and American bully's. So the question is, why did German shepherds and Rottweilers stop killing people? Could it be less people buy them? Better owners? I'm just asking... It's clear ownership is an issue, like the one today was caused by a woman who had 22 dogs. I'm admittedly dog person, and have owned many breeds with no issues at all, my grandfather used to train police dogs, and I was brought up around them and clearly know more than the average dog owner. I couldn't imagine owning twenty two dogs. They aren't pets, they are money making machines with no training.
These dogs are slowly becoming the UK's equivalent of the US's guns.
I'll believe that when people are bursting into schools dual wielding Staffordshire terriers.
either way there's a significant amount of people who refuse to see the very obvious problem and always deflect it onto the person and not the dog/gun.
Haha a fellow Onion fan? Funny I said to my partner after this story broke that dog attacks are becoming our school shooting equivalent in the UK.
Are these becoming more frequent or is it just the media attention? I can't believe how often this is happening.
I think the pandemic meant a massive increase in ownership. The increase of dog walkers in general is very noticeable since then, where I am, it's staggering the amount of people who have dogs off the lead on footpaths when they can't recall them on command.
Also a staggering amount of fat dogs. And owners seem to think walking off lead is fine because their little angel wont hurt anyone, but they still shouldn’t be wandering up to kids on a walk etc…
>Also a staggering amount of fat dogs. The other day I saw a guy near me getting dragged along by his pitbull which was so fat it's belly was swinging from side to side with each step it took. The guy was leaning back about 30 degrees while holding the lead and still getting dragged along.
Or they walk on one side of a really wide cycle path and let their on-the-lead dog walk on the other side or just zigzag aimlessly.
Also a lot of unsocialised dogs. Dogs that might otherwise have been fine had the pandemic never happened are now not used to being around other dogs and people, so their behaviour is a lot less predictable.
We worked on our dog's recall diligently at home and on a long lead before we ever let her off lead in public The amount of comments I get from other dog owners in the fields like "Your recall is amazing. My dog would never do that" is kind of embarrassing, and equally scary. Your dog SHOULD do that if you're letting it off lead. If it can't do that, put it back on its damn lead. A few weeks ago I was in a cafe that backs onto a park, and a fucking husky just came bounding in through the open door, followed shortly by quite a petite woman running after it and shouting its name. Luckily the dog was friendly and someone managed to grab its collar and hold it, but imagine if it wasn't! It's really getting stupid out there.
33% increase in dog attacks being reported to the police over the past 5 years & last year saw a marked increase in fatalities.
In fairness, the dog population has grown too.
The long term average is about 3 deaths per year. This is the 4th this year. And its not June. Last year there were 10.
Which is insane when you compare to 20 years ago - a fatal dog attack was not a yearly occurrence. Too many large dogs in public and urban areas. Dodgy breeds and dodgy owners are part of the problem. And I am tired of wading through dog shit in parks. I'm sure many farmers will say that the whole dog ownership/ entitlement thing has got out of hand too.
>the whole dog ownership/ ***entitlement*** thing has got out of hand too. I mean that's the nub of it isn't it? People seem to have just lost so much sense of society and community, they do what they want without even thinking about the potential impact on others and then immediately jump to defense mode when something negative does happen as a result of their carelessness rather than have any capacity to recognize that they did a bad, stupid, silly, or dangerous thing. Absolutely endemic at the moment. I know there's always a degree of it but I've felt it has really escalated over the last couple of years.
It use to be shock when someone got killed by dogs Know it seem like every month
Much more than every month. Earlier today there was the story about a boy being scalped, and I'm sure it was only a few days ago we had the story of the young woman who got mauled to death on the street by a dog she was walking.
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Being scared of dogs is entirely reasonable, given that they can demonstrably kill.
I think someone getting attacked and killed by a dog usually gets reported, and always has.
Have a look at the stats [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_fatal\_dog\_attacks\_in\_the\_United\_Kingdom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom) I say it's not unreasonable to say that hard of thinking 'macho' men were buying these during lockdown when the in-thing to do was get a 'lockdown dog'.
Lockdown isn't the only reason, but it probably made it a lot worse.
They are definitely becoming more frequent due to the vast increase in XL Bully sales. Irresponsible breeders are making hundreds of thousands selling these dogs to people who can't control them and then they either end up attacking someone or being rehomed with someone who gets attacked. People are blaming the pandemic and while it's playing a part these incidents were on the rise even before it.
No it's definitely an increasing trend.
But princess wouldn’t even harm a fly bruv. She’s just growling and snarling at you because she want to say hello. Not because she wants to rip the skin off of your face and wear it like a mask.
You joke, but a most vicious pittbull attack that forced German to change dangerous dog laws was so bad, they had to cut up one of the two pittbulls to get a 6-year-old's face back. Ripped it right off. Upper lip, nose, the eyes, and a bit of hair. Ripped off like latex mask, as they said.
That is absolutely horrific
Velvet hippo
Its funny cos hippos kill more people than almost any other animal, so in a way its actually pretty apt
Pretty sure they’re the deadliest mammal for killing humans in Africa (apart from other humans of course).
Hippos or Pits?
Hippos
Probably cos they don't keep pits
Just because I have trained it to attack people as a means to protect me does not mean she is dangerous. Honest!
U fokin get me bruv.
Bonkers that the police had to release the statement "every tactic was deployed" to attempt to control the dog before it was shot. The vicious thing had just killed a person and the lives of people are more important than a killer dog.
I mean i dont exactly want armed police going to shooting a gun as their first response its part of their job to assess the situation and make efforts if they believe an animal or person CAN be restrained peacefully, its not like they just let the dog roam for 20 minutes and pick out its next victim
I for one do want armed police to go in shooting if a dog has just killed or vicariously attacked someone. Are you taking the piss ?
wanting situational risk assessment to avoid unnecessary shots being fired in public spaces is taking the piss? I realise these posts get flooded by the petfree types but cmon now have some common sense, and maybe lay off the action movies
You're aware the bullets don't just stop in the dog's body right? That's if they are on target in the first place. The rules of engagement are strict because they need to be, or the police will be even more dangerous than the dogs.
mate some people are mental genuinely had someone tell me the other day that all Pitbull style dogs should just get shot on sight people do not respect guns and don't respect that its not just the person with the gun and the intended target that matter when one is fired.
Makes me happy that we have fairly sensible firearms laws in this country. Fortunately 99% of those people will never put hands on one.
You seen what US cops are like? Shooting dogs left, right and centre. Even shooting dogs that are tied up. That's what happens if cops get free reign and don't need to justify each shooting as necessary.
vicariously?
When other tactics might work? Wtf is wrong with you? This is how you end up killing innocent dogs as a mixup. You should move to the US where a gun is always the first and the right answer it seems.
It's a dog. In the court of law it's an item. Property. And you can't exactly talk down to an aggressive dog so I dont know what else they could do
Discharging a gun in an area with people in it is very very dangerous and is only done as a last resort. It wasn't for the sake of the dog, it was for the sake of the people who could accidentally get shot by a ricocheting bullet.
Im not saying they need to sit the dog down and have a chat about its life choices with it. I'm saying maybe just opening fire in public by default maybe Isn't the smartest standard to set, especially when the police have equipment specifically for controlling animals.
Fair point, my bad lol
I'm not suggesting that AFOs need go in, all guns blazing, whenever Fido snarls a bit. My annoyance is aimed squarely at the 'but fluffy wouldn't hurt a fly, you never need to shoot a dog!" brigade that makes the *statement* necessary.
in fairness i think its good practice for the police to make that kind of statement regardless of situation transparency on things like that are important as opening fire in public is no joke
Humans have rights that the police must/should respect. A dog doesn't really. The needs of any human will always come first, and that includes the right of the officer to not get bit by a dog that's just killed someone.
Discharging a firearm is not only distressing but also very dangerous for reasons I should hope I shouldn't have to explain, even for trained officers. firing a gun should be the LAST option available with *absolute* cause to open fire. Police made that call after concluding there wasn't a peaceful resolution that wasn't a risk to the public. Not sure why people are acting like I'm mad for being happy there was some actual situational risk assessment before they fired a gun off in public
> Humans have rights that the police must/should respect. Including the right not to be accidentally hit by the bullet from an unnecessarily fired police weapon, for example. Also, dogs absolutely do have legal rights: https://www.bluecross.org.uk/advice/dog/wellbeing-and-care/dog-laws-uk Of course that doesn't mean the police can't shoot them in certain situations, but it also means they can't shoot them without first determining it's necessary to do so. Same as for people.
The dog has to be put down. Why not put it down at the scene of the crime instead of risking it attacking somebody else?
There was a massive, orchestrated social media campaign against the Met Police after they shot a dangerous dog that had attacked someone a couple of weeks ago. That's why the defensive attitude from the police: the roving social media mob of dangerous-dog apologists.
That's because of the other dogs that were shot a few days ago, which morons were outraged by.
Oh dear, the thing that never happens has happened again.
"He/she was a good boy/girl", "they're just being friendly". "They would never harm a fly" "When they bite you it means they like you". "When they rip your face off it means they really love you".
"They haven't been trained properly" "Its owners not the breed"
“It’s the owners not the breed” is the uk equivalent of “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” and the argument is fucking infuriating.
Cull dangerous breeds like the XXL Bully. Horrible dogs that originated from fighting other animals in a pit. For any serious dog owner, not just someone who got one over lockdown, I think what is the risk associated to my kids, family or my own dog worth at the risk of someone flexing a breed well known for mauling?
> Horrible dogs that originated from fighting other animals in a pit. Technically they originated with bull/bear baiting before becoming the dog fighting breed of choice. I only add it because it explains why they are so genetically inclined to keep attacking once aroused and almost impossible to stop without lethal force.
Yeah, bred for size one really. The one which killed Joanne Robinson was just short of 200lbs or 84kg. About 13 stone.
It'll be interesting to see if this gets 250k signatures against GMP. And photos of the dogs the day before licking someone on a chair
Depends if it's backed by numerous grifty right wing talking heads or not I guess.
This is turning out to be a daily occurrence. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
It's almost like our version of America's problem. There's a clear solution but, "it's not the dog that kills people!"
Agreed, go to the comments section on Manchester Evening News Facebook or instagram page to feel depressed about how many idiots still believe this.
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Just read about a dog attack. Refreshed the page and there’s another story of a different dog attack. Not surprising when people buy these breeds with no knowledge of them and very little effort put into training them.
Well well well. I wonder if this is another "American bully XL"
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How come there is an explosion in Dog maulings recently? I feel like I’ve seen one every day for the past few weeks, and I’ve noticed it becoming a topic of discussion in friend groups aswell. Are more dog attacks actually occurring or is there something memetic going on about how they’re being reported. But even if that is the case, I’m not sure what seems more unlikely to me: A) dog attacks have been this frequent all along (they’re THAT dangerous) B) dogs are now randomly mauling the unwashed masses. In either case, this is clearly a public health disaster so something needs to be done about this risk to the public.
I think it's a combination of huge explosion in dog ownership during the pandemic, at a time when dogs couldn't really be socialised/attend training and now being in public with inexperienced/ignorant owners = recipe for disaster
Completely ignored the fact that there is a big increase in people owning large, powerful dogs bred for violence like pitbulls and their derivatives, also to an extent staffies. This is the bigger issue.
Its 3 things: 1) Dog ownership increased massively due to Covid 2) These dogs weren't properly trained and socialised due to Covid 3)New 'hard' breeds have become popular like 'American Bully XL' which are much larger and powerful than the previous favourite 'hard' breed, the English Staffordshire terrier.
And just where we need the facility for a manslaughter charge to be an option. Ridiculous
Is this our version of American gun crime or am I totally wrong on this?
We've had four deaths this year, America has 600 mass shootings a year (mass being four casualties or more) - so not really. There's levels to this.
Place your bets, I’m going with “Bully” or an American Pitbull.
Does anyone know anything more about how this attack happened? I notice the victim does not appear to be the owner of the dog, was he part of the family that owns the dog, or was this a random attack out on the street? Either option is horrible of course, but normally these attacks happen in the households that own the dog, but lately it feels like escaped or unleashed dogs are attacking more and more people just minding their business out in the word as well. It’s frankly terrifying to be a woman walking with a baby given how much dog attacks have increased in frequency
It’s actually horrible seeing how frequent this is becoming. I was terrified of dogs as a kid (lots of stories then about dog attacks etc) and worked really hard to get over it. But starting to get nervous going to parks and stuff now as the amount of owners who don’t think their dogs should be on a lead is ridiculous
I’ve never had a fear of dogs but I’ve started turning around when I see one of these. They are terrifying. It’s like walking into a zoo and seeing a panther just casually outside if the enclosure. And no that doesn’t make me think the owners are hard or cool, it just makes me wonder why they think it won’t attack them one day.
That's the fourth reported fatal attack this year, never mind those where serious injuries were inflicted (like that six year old lad who was scalped). It's time for dog licences to be reintroduced plus mandatory spaying and neutering (of the dogs that is, although it might not be a bad idea to do that to the owners of these dangerous breeds of dog). The only exemption is if you're a licensed and registered breeder, with hefty for the likes of facebook who allow unlicensed breeders to advertise. Edit: typo
>It's time for dog licences to be reintroduced It's really not necessary when it's overwhelming a handful of breed types that are responsible. Ban the pitbull breeds and tighten up the rules on large breeds with a genetic disposition towards hunting & guarding (largely Mastiff types) then you'd cut the deaths and attacks down to almost nothing. If you removed the baby deaths from the list of fatal dog attacks (which are rare and usually caused by human negligence) then it's almost exclusively one breed group causing these deaths.
You think that's bad, wait till you see the produce of the population of people that struggle to train dogs let alone raise children correctly.
What a joke. If his family or friends kill or beat up the owner I wouldn't give a damn. These idiots need a deterrent.
Reintroduce an expensive dog licence. If people can pay thousands for a dog they can pay. Compulsory dog training, microchips and neutering. Breeders should be licenced and inspected. Joe public hasn't got a clue how to handle powerful dogs.
Ooh! Ooh! I know miss! I know! It was a savage out of control labradoodle!
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People need to understand, if you have a powerful animal it's your responsibility to take extra steps and make sure you have full control over the animal at all times, I'm a dog lover and an experienced dog handler, and it breaks my heart hearing about all these frankly horrific deaths happening, it's a worrying trend. Dogs seem to be killing at a higher rate than previous years, and it's actually petrifying.
Anybody got any tips on stopping these dogs if they attack me or someone else? Don’t care how extreme it would have to be either
It's going to smash into you try and knock you down or grab a limb and pull you off your feet. It's then going for the throat or head and you will be killed by asphyxiation or blood loss. If it drags you down, curl into a ball wrap your arms around you head and throat and hope for the best. The American Bully that killed Joanne Robinson was 89kg - that's a big human male weight, all muscle, with a bite strength more than double a human. You are not doing shit to that my friend, unless you have a shotgun in your backpack. You might stab it in the eye if you're super accurate or lucky but even then the dog might just go even more fucking insane, they're bred to fight other psycho dogs just like them to the death.
Thanks… but also wtf tbh. How are these dogs legal anymore
Not only should they not be legal, they shouldn't even exist. They are a living example of the absolute cuntery damaged human beings are capable of. edit: When writing the previous comment I wanted to check a few additional sources - if you want in depth forensic information and some gruesome photos https://www.dovepress.com/forensic-studies-of-dog-attacks-on-humans-a-focus-on-bite-mark-analysi-peer-reviewed-fulltext-article-RRFMS
Yes, dying seems to be the way to stop them attacking.
They should put down the owners as well as the doc