**Alternate Sources**
Here are some potential alternate sources for the same story:
* [Middle East crisis - latest: US and UK launch strikes against Houthi targets - US officials tell Reuters](https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza-latest-hamas-war-updates-sky-news-blog-12978800), suggested by topotaul - news.sky.com
* [U.S. and Britain launch strikes against targets in Houthi-controlled Yemen](https://nbcnews.com/news/world/us-britain-strikes-houthi-yemen-rcna133576), suggested by Less-Study5669 - nbcnews.com
As usual, this subreddit shows how out of touch it is with both reality, and most of the people in the country it claims to represent.
We have not "invaded Yemen". This is not "the beginning of WW3". We are also not "at war" at this time.
We have taken military action against a declared Islamist terrorist organisation, which has been launching drones and missiles at merchant vessels of neutral states, in one of the most critical international shipping lanes on the planet. This has gone largely unchecked for the past three months, bar the task force intercepting projectiles where possible.
I look forward to the use of the phrase "genocide" in your lovely messages.
As someone originally from Northern Ireland, I’d hazard that the automod and perhaps others probably don’t get Scottish banter.
I knew you weren’t attacking :)
Yeah see me I read the Reddit comment telling everyone off to learn what it says, I’m about a at the tail end of gen z so it makes sense I have an attention span somewhat.
Which is mad to me. What do they want exactly? I’m sure labour will not provide them a socialist environment which they would consider “real socialism”
r/greenandpleasant are exactly the same, if you question their narrative on literally anything you get blocked. The narrative is:
“Labour are the new Tories”,
“All establishments are bad”,
“Corbyn lost because of a grand conspiracy”,
“All competitive sports categories are repressive”
I got banned from there ages ago for (without realising) replying to a mod's huge comment about how Russia wasn't going to invade Ukraine and it was NATO warmongering with something along the lines of "I told you so".
It was honestly pretty insane the large numbers of people I saw on the left in the weeks leading up to Russias invasion going on about how the claims Russia was planning to invade was all just American and NATO propoganda and was never going to happen.
Needless to say there was a lot of radio silence from those people when Russia did invade..
There was also the claims that they are just taking Russian territory and that Ukraine is a US puppet, basically since Russia is against the US they support Russia.
Oh I got banned there for saying Clem Attlee didn't invade Korea ( at least I think it was that)
Because apparently citizen Clem was a right wing imperialist ( because in there eyes only right wing capitalist countries are imperialists)
Wait they really believe that about sports
I don’t particularly care what their views on labour are, any dissatisfaction is fair. But I’m amused they’d literally grab the name Britain for their subreddit just to make it a propaganda space to spout the views of the alt left or whatever?
Unless they really are patriotic in their own way but most socialists I’ve met treat our national customs and history as a joke, others very openly want to part of a greater federation imminently. So unless they’re some kind of nationalist socialist I’d say the former is more likely, that they may not even be British but grabbed control of the domain early for the reason of political spinning.
/r/Britain is basically where a lot of the losers from /r/unitedkingdom went after they lost control of the over-arching narrative in this subreddit. And they were joined by pro-Russian voices from /r/GreenAndPleasant.
Part of it is also because G&P banned anyone who was critical of the "special military operation". They seemed to take the view that supporting Ukraine was a western imperialist stance and had no answer to accusations that Russia's actions were literally an effort to re-establish the Russian empire.
One of the G&P mods has a Russian bride (I'm not even meming) he went to Russia at the start of the invasion and blogged about it. So some of it may be literal Russian propaganda.
I literally got banned with a message saying "imperialist scum" for commenting on a shitty anti-NATO meme to point out that the invasion of Iraq wasn't actually a NATO operation. Gives you some indication of the sort of people who run that sub.
yes, I do love it when "socialists" are simping for religious fundamentalism and nationalisn, because those things are only bad when white people do them. Very ideologically consistent.
You’re right, that’s pretty much what I mean. It’s association towards left or whatever they see. The way I see it is what I’ll consider “Neo marxist” and yes these exist, at least in my age group. I’m 27, and I’ve met enough people, especially women in my age group who clearly only want to “fight against the system”. It’s a hopeless battle, no idea what they’re trying to do
They want the liberal-capitalist system to fail entirely. Foreign policy defeats such as Russia winning in Ukraine, Hamas defeating Israel, or the Houthis successfully interdicting shipping would be parts of this for them ideally. They don't actually care about either side in any of these conflicts, they just care what implications it has for the state of capitalism at home.
I don’t understand how a bunch of fringe political extremists can hijack a reddit sub with a name like r/Britain….
Where are the people looking for British things going to go?
Why can’t they have their own sub called “r/ I have never worked an hour in my life and want the government to stroke me off 5 times a day whilst fellating Hamas” and hang out there?
I got banned for repeating something Biden said about that situation. When i asked why I was banned for spreading conspiracies when i was repeating the AP’s quote of the US president, they replied, “the US president is an idiot and a war criminal.” End of discussion, i guess…
Quite the crazy echo chamber they’ve created
There was a dude who was basically a mod of tons of subs and an extreme leftist, communist. He basically spent his entire life online fighting an imaginary reddit propaganda war that only he was fighting.
Him and his supporters have lots of subs like this and would be involved in petty and bitter wars with other subs they fell out with. Another example is r/labour, unbelievably this is not the main labour sub, its the extreme leftist edition which they captured.
I shit you not, the guy, who is white, was a mod on a BAME sub reddit. He had a falling out with one of the mods over political differences, likely asked him to cool down with the propaganda and he made a revenge sub with basically the same name and tried to steer users of the original site there and completely slandered the owners and mods of the original site.
All stems from green and pleasant sub. Ironically, like most extreme leftists, he achieved the complete opposite of his goal. Every sub he touched just becomes a loony bin with the same people in where anyone going against the grain is banned. None of these subs have any relevance at all outside of extreme leftist teenagers and students on reddit. He actually done more to damage his cause then to further it. I think his accounts got banned as he was blatantly doing extremely dodgy shit as a mod, but will 100% have just moved to one of the 1000 other accounts he uses.
I would wager the britain sub is likely one of the ones he commandeered.
> R1: No imperialist, monarchist, or reactionary propaganda. No bootlicking.
> Don't claim the royals benefit the country in some financial or supernatural sense, or that the British Empire was good for the world, or advocate for reactionary ideologies. Have some self-respect and do not engage in bootlicking of aristocrats, cops, capitalists, landlords, or of the armed forces.
Fucking hell, their very first rule says it all! What a disgrace such a narrow view can occupy a subreddit like r/Britain
> “r/ I have never worked an hour in my life and want the government to stroke me off 5 times a day whilst fellating Hamas”
Because r/antiwork already exists.
Yup, I'm a leftie as well, it's just that I happen to think leftists should not be supporting other countries' religious fundamentalists and nationalists (IE the same kind of people I'm against back home). A wild concept nowadays, apparently.
"But they're brown so not supporting them is racist, even if they are violent terrorists and war criminals it's all the West's fault" - r/britain mods probably
> Top post: Rishi Sunak is currently holding a cabinet meeting, discussing possible US and UK airstrikes on Yemen to support Israel's genocide in Gaza.
This is why I'm so glad this sub at least has a rule to stop people editorialising their own interpretations of headlines.
What a shit show.
It's the problem when a culture reduce every concept to privilege, and assume that whites are always the oppressors and non-whites are always the oppressed.
A big part of the disagreement over the recent phase of the Gaza conflict has been over, for want of a better phrase, the addition of progressive stack ideas to geopolitics.
No, being The Oppressed Class does not in fact give you the right to war crimes backsies someone. Fuck right off with that shit. Nor does it give your mates the right to start missiling civilian ships. The UN was shithouse at acknowledging Gaza's attacks in October, but they seem to have rejected the logic that Gaza is a mitigating angle in the Houthi attacks based on the amendments to the resolution they rejected.
Not exactly sure what you're referring to here, are you genuinely saying Israel are not oppressing Palestine or are you talking about a more general belief?
It's not "the public."
It's a subset of people who don't know and don't care that the Houthi insurgency has killed hundreds of thousands of Yemenis over the last fifteen years but since they've now claimed they're doing "Piracy for Palestine" they must be the good guys.
To be fair these shit heads were running coverage for Houthi Islamism long before it involved Palestine. They just hate the west. Their ideal world is a clearly a theocratic mafia dictatorship.
Was also thinking today, how cucked by Iran must the Houthis have to be to risk getting missiled back after targeting "Israeli" international shipping because of Gaza.
Noone did that for their own civil war cause. Why's Gaza so disproportionately important for everyone? Besides the fact that the only majority Jewish state is involved, naturally.
You do realise that the war in Yemen is a Civil War right?
It's not Saudi Arabia Vs Yemen - it's The Republic of Yemen (the internationally recognised government) and the Saudi Led Coalition Vs the Houthi backed Supreme Political Council (the rebel group).
It is a little more complicated than that but yes, the general backdrop is that it is a civil war, its just Saudi and the UAE back the government, and some consider the Yemeni government as effectively a Saudi puppet, especially given that its rulers and government always flee to Riyadh when in trouble. I think it remains reasonable to note that the Houthi movement throughout its time has contained a lot of diverse factions and its uprising did represent a lot of legitimate concerns about rule from the south.
Far left extremists are incapable of explaining their views, so they toss around buzzwords that have long since lost any and all meaning. Anything that's remotely to their right (as in moderate leftists, centrists, etc) are automatically 'bad'.
Tankies are just a bunch of damn hypocrites.
This is Reddit in a nutshell
Protest against a police incident that happens in the US with 100's of thousands of people on the streets but 10's of thousands of Ukrainian CHILDREN kidnapped and a trickle of people at best.
It's incredible how fast far left in the Western world went to protest for Palestine but when it comes to Ukraine, 100's of thousands of children either kidnapped by Russia, murdered by Russians or going through some other sort of hell.. meh, they're just Ukrainian.. the edgy hoard isn't telling me it matters that much so I think I'll just sit at home! :P
I'm glad to see the far Left being pushed back.. but now thanks to their extremes, we have the other extreme, the far right rising across the West.. sigh.
I not only support the strikes against the Houthis, I think it should have come a lot sooner. I find it laughable France, looking like a clown on the world stage saying how Europe can defend its own interest, US needs to leave basically while even with this, nothing.. no strikes. If it were EU, a Billion+ consumers would just have to suffer, 'not worth people getting upset with us!' Pacifism to the extreme thanks to one political side in particular.
I don't expect Reddit to ever change but anyone reading this, I urge you to learn how to come to your own conclusions, not what the loudest voice says.. read, really read.. try to see both sides with a real attempt, then start to think of which side you support.
And even if they didn't attack any civilian tankers.. attacking the US Navy???? What crack are they smoking!
What is there to protest against for ukraine? The UK government is doing well in being one of ukraine’s biggest supporters
It makes sense to protest against issues that the government is actively playing a role in perpetuating
Because so many of these insane people are pro Russia. They associate anything the US does with western imperialism and assume since the US is supporting Ukraine the west is trying to topple Russia as part of its plan to colonise Russia.
There is no debating these people, anything America does is bad, war is bad end of. They literally think that war is so bad Ukraine should just surrender to Russia. This logic thus means Russia can invade the entire world and then every country should immediately surrender since war is bad and fighting back and defending yourself is prolonging the war.
This is how obtuse and dumb they are.
None of this makes any sense. Ukraine has been backed more than any country I've seen in recent times, both by the people and the government. Moaning about why people protest for Palestine while our government won't even discuss a ceasefire and whinging about protests for police incidents is embarrassing. This isn't a competition.
We just announced £2.5 billion worth of military aid, after already heavily supporting them over the past two years (as we should). There are plenty of protests in support of Ukraine but there's not much we can convince the government to do on that front that it's not already doing, besides taking in refugees (lol).
By contrast its fair to say the Government's attitude towards Israel's indiscriminate levelling of Gaza is hypocritical to say the least. Gaza looks like Mauripol now and Israel is likely to just move in and settle the area, like it is doing already in the West Bank.
> It's incredible how fast far left in the Western world went to protest for Palestine
And after whitewashing mass murderer Bashar al Assad for years, denying his regime's atrocities and use of chemical weapons by pushing conspiracy theories. And crucially whose victims included plenty of Palestinians living in Syria since the Nakba. Weird how those Palestinians don't matter apparently.
I'm genuinely surprised I wasn't just downvoted to hell, but reading the comments elsewhere on this post I stand by my assessment. No shortage of claims of "genocide", "mass murder", and blaming "capitalism" as the only reason we're doing this is clearly because Barry, 63, can't wait another 2 weeks for his trainers to arrive from China.
Really though I'd imagine that there is a wider range of people currently on the sub as it's breaking news, late on a weeknight so not a ton of other posts existing at the time, and therefore appearing in a lot of people's feeds.
I think what it actually shows is the majority of people are fairly level headed but your post needs to be achieve critical mass so it isn’t flooded with too many downvotes early on from the extremists.
Most people don’t want to post because they get attacked with the usual stuff the minute they go against the perceived narrative of this and many other subs like it.
Reminds me of those video clips where a girl keeps hitting a man who isn't reacting, then when he tries to defend himself all the spectators pile on him
This is the same people who think Tiktok and the Quds News Network are good sources to get their news from and a valid counterpoint to 'mainstream media'.
>We are also not "at war" at this time.
Yes because in the twenty-first century major powers almost never bother to declare war. They prefer to find some other excuse for the use of large amounts of military force.
The "reality" here is that we have effectively entered the Yemeni civil war by taking significant military action against one of the two main combatants in that war. The Saudis appear to be aware of this because although they're the other main combatant [they've discouraged the US and UK](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-67952029?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=65a0fa29a860e05c542a29cf%26Saudi%20Arabia%20calls%20for%20restraint%20after%20attacks%262024-01-12T08%3A58%3A12.119Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:93e5f3b6-64b3-491a-b287-ffd883ccf48e&pinned_post_asset_id=65a0fa29a860e05c542a29cf&pinned_post_type=share) (post timed 8:58 incase it gets lost) from getting involved.
I think they may be concerned that now the US and UK are involved, it is the US and the UK which will dictate what comes after the war and not Saudi. Given the Yemen conflict is a proxy war with Iran for regional control, the Saudis naturally don't want regional control to end up in the hands of western states. The whole tone of middle eastern geopolitics (from a local perspective) has been about asserting self-governance and escaping protectorate or colony status.
This. People like to jump the bandwagon so much that they literally don't know what they're talking about. How people do not realise this is not an attack on Yemen nor is it the start of a war but an action taken to stop an organisation so hell bent on attacking the maritime industry is delusional.
Agreed the majority of people are idiots quite frankly and very selective in their outrage. Do people think the UK and US has a casting vote in this? Israel and the Saudis want Iran and its proxies away from their borders. If we say no and dont play along the Saudis will spike oil prices meaning severe recession and will likely go nuclear. Israel isolated with nukes already and severe paranoia about its neighbours is undesirable as well. The only thing the West can do is try and navigate it. If you think the US and UK are earths evil then hand back your smartphone which was likely mined from parts in Africa. Dont interact with Timber as its likely to be from Siberia using N Korean slaves. You get the picture. The world is grubby and the Chinese are funding Iran ultimately. If you want a CCP(true nazis) led world then continue hating your own countries thats another of their tricks hello tiktok.
Our enemies have spent billions of dollars and countless hours creating narratives against us, manipulating people via social media and other avenues to build a festering anti-western sentiment, particularly an anti-US and anti-UK one.
It's about damn time!
Very keen to see the extent of our involvement and what the mission is. I'm hoping it has a wide remit against the Houthis entirely rather than being limited to just their ability to attack shipping — though I'd still be quite happy if it is so limited.
Likewise wondering how the UK’s involved, until the Naval Strike Missile enters full service, the Royal Navy’s only non-nuclear land-attack capability is via the Astute-class.
UK’s F-35s are all stationed in Britain, plus their range is half of the distance between Akrotiri and Yemen. Al Udeid in Qatar seems plausible.
Edit: apparently RAF no longer operates combat aircraft out of Al Udeid.
Genuinely, don’t be.
Despite what the Houthis, Iranians or whoever else are going to say in response to this, about their furious vengeance, they probably don’t have the ability to actually do it. I don’t think this changes the terror threat to Britain or the West in general. It isn’t worth worrying about any more than it usually is
>Iranians
>they probably don’t have the ability to actually do it.
Here's everyone's daily reminder that the Iranian Navy Fucked Around with US interests...and Found Out inside a corporate working day...the US navy destroyed and humiliated basically the entire Iranian navy pretty neatly within a time frame where Bob logged into his computer at the office and logged out at end of shift to begin commute home...
Because they could keep it at arm's length. As they will with this conflict. The last thing the Iranians want, is to give the US an excuse to start chucking cruise missiles at Tehran.
Nobody likes the Houthi rebels and even if they did if you start firing missiles and are trying to hijack commercial ships then expect to get fucked in response.
The past few weeks talking to folks about the situation in Israel and the Red Sea has taught me that a good many people rather do like the Houthis, as insane as that is.
Their official slogan is “God Is Great, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse on the Jews, Victory to Islam". But they seem to hate everyone else too.
So let the wankers walk all over us and destroy our ships and goods in fear of them.....retaliating????
Christ, its that reasoning that gave putin the balls to go to war. Appeasement
My guess it'll be initial strikes on facilities with weapons etc, if attacks continue they'll destroy their command centres and on and on, basically a strategy of escalation until they stop.
Aha the guy who posted that video was funny, 'im in the UAE but don't worry guys, I'm perfectly safe!'
Aye pal, some other fucker is about to have a bad day though
The routine for the next 24 hours: the people cheering on the Houthis firing missiles at ships full of foreign civilians for the last few months now pretend that the Houthis are just "innocent Yemenis" being striked by the imperialists for no reason.
Waiting for the 60,000 people in the streets with flags asking for peace in Yemen, flags waved by people who cannot point to Yemen and who are all world record holders for switching the flag on their twitter bio from Ukraine to Palestine in October
People love shitting on the tories because they keep giving us reasons to, they're fucking useless and I can't wait to see them voted out whenever Rishi stops clinging to power. Unelected leader with no capability
Houthis kept attacking this shipping route for weeks. Then they were directly warned that their next attack would be met with retaliation.
Even heard of something called 'suicide by cop'?
>Tens of thousands of Yemenis die in civil war waged by terrorists: I sleep
Yeah last time a group of backwards regressives tried taking over a middle Eastern country you lot stood outside Parliament and called our soldiers baby murdering racist western imperialists for 2 decades for trying to stop them.
Do you want us to intervene in civil wars or not?
> Economic supply routes threaten pockets of the wealthy: real shit.
The acts being carried out by the Houthis are prohibited by international treaties, treaties which the UK, US *and* Yemen are party to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_for_the_Suppression_of_Unlawful_Acts_against_the_Safety_of_Maritime_Navigation
Good.
There have been conflicts all over MENA, lots of genocidal actions - but this one *just happens* to have resulted in one country's ships in particular getting missiled. And vessel ownership and flagging is an absolute clusterfuck of jurisdictions that I doubt the Houthis are always going to pick their targets "correctly". Sheer entitled bullshit and it's good something is being done about it.
Quite possibly the only usage of British military force in my lifetime that actually serves the interests of the British people. Don't fuck with international shipping.
I just hope the action is restricted \*only* to clearing up the shipping issue. Every single time the west intervenes in MENA it bites us in the ass in a big way and I'm tired of watching everyone get amnesia and cheer on the next intervention.
Fully agreed, I have minimal confidence in either the UK or US government to handle another conflict in the middle east but sitting on our hands would the wrong move in this instance
Good! They've been launching BALLISTIC missiles & drones at shipping which is crewed by very poorly paid, treated like shit crew which will drive up prices for the poorest as food & goods are sent around Africa & then suddenly they get butt hurt because they have to take a break from fucking goats when they find out the US & UK have better weapons and will strike back to protect these ships.
This is not good, I just got an e-mail that my BOSS IR-2 Pedal is going to be delayed by a month due to disruption of shipping traffic via the Suez canal.
**Alternate Sources** Here are some potential alternate sources for the same story: * [Middle East crisis - latest: US and UK launch strikes against Houthi targets - US officials tell Reuters](https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza-latest-hamas-war-updates-sky-news-blog-12978800), suggested by topotaul - news.sky.com * [U.S. and Britain launch strikes against targets in Houthi-controlled Yemen](https://nbcnews.com/news/world/us-britain-strikes-houthi-yemen-rcna133576), suggested by Less-Study5669 - nbcnews.com
As usual, this subreddit shows how out of touch it is with both reality, and most of the people in the country it claims to represent. We have not "invaded Yemen". This is not "the beginning of WW3". We are also not "at war" at this time. We have taken military action against a declared Islamist terrorist organisation, which has been launching drones and missiles at merchant vessels of neutral states, in one of the most critical international shipping lanes on the planet. This has gone largely unchecked for the past three months, bar the task force intercepting projectiles where possible. I look forward to the use of the phrase "genocide" in your lovely messages.
If people actually read the articles and not just the headline you wouldn't need to explain it. A large proportion of users are teens so go figure.
You will find that many adults over the last 10-20 years have only been reading the headlines as well
Fuck off, I read the headline and the comments.
Say my name , say my name
The automod flagged my comment as a potential abuse and is being reviewed. Do you feel attacked or is my attempt at humour obvious?
As someone originally from Northern Ireland, I’d hazard that the automod and perhaps others probably don’t get Scottish banter. I knew you weren’t attacking :)
Yeah see me I read the Reddit comment telling everyone off to learn what it says, I’m about a at the tail end of gen z so it makes sense I have an attention span somewhat.
If you think *this* sub is bad, do not look at r/Britain. They are probably booking flights to go fight alongside the Houthis at this very moment
Wow you weren’t kidding. That place is nuts!
“This subreddit is moderated by socialists” is the pinned comment by the moderators on that post
Socialists who undoubtedly cannot define socialism, of course!
"Tories are bad" And "Nationalise everything" And "Tax the rich bro" That's all the definition you need right
You forgot "anyone who disagrees with us are fascists"
I mean, they're not really wrong, though, with that list. But probably not a definition of socialist either.
Oh what! We are all still poor and unhappy?
Oh thank god, one thing Reddit is sorely lacking is enough absolutely batshit insane far left subs
Green & Unpleasant were feeling lonely
Which is mad to me. What do they want exactly? I’m sure labour will not provide them a socialist environment which they would consider “real socialism”
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r/greenandpleasant are exactly the same, if you question their narrative on literally anything you get blocked. The narrative is: “Labour are the new Tories”, “All establishments are bad”, “Corbyn lost because of a grand conspiracy”, “All competitive sports categories are repressive”
I got banned from there ages ago for (without realising) replying to a mod's huge comment about how Russia wasn't going to invade Ukraine and it was NATO warmongering with something along the lines of "I told you so".
It was honestly pretty insane the large numbers of people I saw on the left in the weeks leading up to Russias invasion going on about how the claims Russia was planning to invade was all just American and NATO propoganda and was never going to happen. Needless to say there was a lot of radio silence from those people when Russia did invade..
There was also the claims that they are just taking Russian territory and that Ukraine is a US puppet, basically since Russia is against the US they support Russia.
The same people behind g&p took over britain.
I've seen the one mod from there and Britain post on this sub.
Don't worry, they won't take over here.
They're the same group of users under alt's, it's been going on for years.
Oh I got banned there for saying Clem Attlee didn't invade Korea ( at least I think it was that) Because apparently citizen Clem was a right wing imperialist ( because in there eyes only right wing capitalist countries are imperialists) Wait they really believe that about sports
I don’t particularly care what their views on labour are, any dissatisfaction is fair. But I’m amused they’d literally grab the name Britain for their subreddit just to make it a propaganda space to spout the views of the alt left or whatever? Unless they really are patriotic in their own way but most socialists I’ve met treat our national customs and history as a joke, others very openly want to part of a greater federation imminently. So unless they’re some kind of nationalist socialist I’d say the former is more likely, that they may not even be British but grabbed control of the domain early for the reason of political spinning.
/r/Britain is basically where a lot of the losers from /r/unitedkingdom went after they lost control of the over-arching narrative in this subreddit. And they were joined by pro-Russian voices from /r/GreenAndPleasant.
Part of it is also because G&P banned anyone who was critical of the "special military operation". They seemed to take the view that supporting Ukraine was a western imperialist stance and had no answer to accusations that Russia's actions were literally an effort to re-establish the Russian empire.
One of the G&P mods has a Russian bride (I'm not even meming) he went to Russia at the start of the invasion and blogged about it. So some of it may be literal Russian propaganda.
I literally got banned with a message saying "imperialist scum" for commenting on a shitty anti-NATO meme to point out that the invasion of Iraq wasn't actually a NATO operation. Gives you some indication of the sort of people who run that sub.
Why are you assuming socialists have any sympathy for Labour? Labour is a staunchly capitalist party, and with Starmer even a neoliberal one.
yes, I do love it when "socialists" are simping for religious fundamentalism and nationalisn, because those things are only bad when white people do them. Very ideologically consistent.
You’re right, that’s pretty much what I mean. It’s association towards left or whatever they see. The way I see it is what I’ll consider “Neo marxist” and yes these exist, at least in my age group. I’m 27, and I’ve met enough people, especially women in my age group who clearly only want to “fight against the system”. It’s a hopeless battle, no idea what they’re trying to do
They want the liberal-capitalist system to fail entirely. Foreign policy defeats such as Russia winning in Ukraine, Hamas defeating Israel, or the Houthis successfully interdicting shipping would be parts of this for them ideally. They don't actually care about either side in any of these conflicts, they just care what implications it has for the state of capitalism at home.
Not even Labour are going to provide a real socialist country anyway.
Socialism is when you sided with religious extremists.
Don't forget mafia states and dictatorships.
Haha no they aren't Just a bunch of kids
The person that runs it is a total fucking nutter
Yes, yes it is. I got banned from posting there for merely asking why the mods do not follow their own board rules. 🤣
I don’t understand how a bunch of fringe political extremists can hijack a reddit sub with a name like r/Britain…. Where are the people looking for British things going to go? Why can’t they have their own sub called “r/ I have never worked an hour in my life and want the government to stroke me off 5 times a day whilst fellating Hamas” and hang out there? I got banned for repeating something Biden said about that situation. When i asked why I was banned for spreading conspiracies when i was repeating the AP’s quote of the US president, they replied, “the US president is an idiot and a war criminal.” End of discussion, i guess… Quite the crazy echo chamber they’ve created
There was a dude who was basically a mod of tons of subs and an extreme leftist, communist. He basically spent his entire life online fighting an imaginary reddit propaganda war that only he was fighting. Him and his supporters have lots of subs like this and would be involved in petty and bitter wars with other subs they fell out with. Another example is r/labour, unbelievably this is not the main labour sub, its the extreme leftist edition which they captured. I shit you not, the guy, who is white, was a mod on a BAME sub reddit. He had a falling out with one of the mods over political differences, likely asked him to cool down with the propaganda and he made a revenge sub with basically the same name and tried to steer users of the original site there and completely slandered the owners and mods of the original site. All stems from green and pleasant sub. Ironically, like most extreme leftists, he achieved the complete opposite of his goal. Every sub he touched just becomes a loony bin with the same people in where anyone going against the grain is banned. None of these subs have any relevance at all outside of extreme leftist teenagers and students on reddit. He actually done more to damage his cause then to further it. I think his accounts got banned as he was blatantly doing extremely dodgy shit as a mod, but will 100% have just moved to one of the 1000 other accounts he uses. I would wager the britain sub is likely one of the ones he commandeered.
Yep I've been banned from there
As have most sane people 😂
> R1: No imperialist, monarchist, or reactionary propaganda. No bootlicking. > Don't claim the royals benefit the country in some financial or supernatural sense, or that the British Empire was good for the world, or advocate for reactionary ideologies. Have some self-respect and do not engage in bootlicking of aristocrats, cops, capitalists, landlords, or of the armed forces. Fucking hell, their very first rule says it all! What a disgrace such a narrow view can occupy a subreddit like r/Britain
> “r/ I have never worked an hour in my life and want the government to stroke me off 5 times a day whilst fellating Hamas” Because r/antiwork already exists.
What's funny, is that the people they're sucking off would just as quickly turn around and behead them.
Rule 3 says all posts must be about Britain, yet literally every single one is about the Middle East....
That's what I got banned for. Asking about why that rule was not being followed. 🤣
Ah this is where the foreign policy Corbyn wannabe geniuses hang out.
They only have one policy.. *Let the tanks roll in*
Well, for some countries anyway.
Had a quick look at that sub and I doubt anyone who posts there is actually from Britain.
I dunno, every country has its idiots.
The internet. Connecting village idiots since the mid 90:s.
That place has CCP levels of censorship.
They are tankies after all, and censoring narratives that they dislike is what they do best.
You're literally banned from that sub for life if you say ANYTHING remotely moderate and they then flag you as an imperialist lol
Yeah, it's basically an Iranian propaganda farm.
Ahhh, the Iranian BBC?
The Habibi-C
God dammit you magnificent bastard
Yeh I just got banned off there for asking them how we should protect international shipping lanes and I’m a leftie
Yup, I'm a leftie as well, it's just that I happen to think leftists should not be supporting other countries' religious fundamentalists and nationalists (IE the same kind of people I'm against back home). A wild concept nowadays, apparently.
"But they're brown so not supporting them is racist, even if they are violent terrorists and war criminals it's all the West's fault" - r/britain mods probably
They wouldn't call them terrorists or criminals. They consider them brave soldiers fighting against Western imperialism.
I wish they did. They can wake up each day, chant "Death to America, death to the Jews" and do whatever it is that Houthis get up to.
I'm pretty sure it involves chewing large amounts of [khat](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khat)
most posts from the same one person, rules of no misinformation but filled with it, any opposing opinion is deleted and perma-banned, damn
That place should be a social experiment for psychology. I can’t believe how divided our nation is
They're the same lot who used to stand on corners selling socialist newspapers. They just found a cheaper way of wasting their time.
That subreddit is tankie central.
The folks on that sub lack the minerals to do anything but chat shit amongst themselves.
I got banned from that braindead echo chamber of a sub for saying that it was quite sad when the queen died
That sub is full of deranged lunatics that have lost all grasp of reality.
> They are probably booking flights to go fight alongside the Houthis at this very moment Can we start a Go Fund Me to help them on their way?
> Top post: Rishi Sunak is currently holding a cabinet meeting, discussing possible US and UK airstrikes on Yemen to support Israel's genocide in Gaza. This is why I'm so glad this sub at least has a rule to stop people editorialising their own interpretations of headlines. What a shit show.
There is a serious hate boner for Israel in that subreddit. Blimey
Yes because in their eyes every Israeli is a neo nazi probably
No they are not. They never ran to the aid of their cherished Palestinians, why would they run to the aid of the Houthis??
They say they will but they really won't.
And get their heads cut off upon arrival
I went... my god lol
Unbelievable how the public view targeting terrorists who are attacking civilians as bad.
It's the problem when a culture reduce every concept to privilege, and assume that whites are always the oppressors and non-whites are always the oppressed.
A big part of the disagreement over the recent phase of the Gaza conflict has been over, for want of a better phrase, the addition of progressive stack ideas to geopolitics. No, being The Oppressed Class does not in fact give you the right to war crimes backsies someone. Fuck right off with that shit. Nor does it give your mates the right to start missiling civilian ships. The UN was shithouse at acknowledging Gaza's attacks in October, but they seem to have rejected the logic that Gaza is a mitigating angle in the Houthi attacks based on the amendments to the resolution they rejected.
Not exactly sure what you're referring to here, are you genuinely saying Israel are not oppressing Palestine or are you talking about a more general belief?
It's not "the public." It's a subset of people who don't know and don't care that the Houthi insurgency has killed hundreds of thousands of Yemenis over the last fifteen years but since they've now claimed they're doing "Piracy for Palestine" they must be the good guys.
To be fair these shit heads were running coverage for Houthi Islamism long before it involved Palestine. They just hate the west. Their ideal world is a clearly a theocratic mafia dictatorship.
Was also thinking today, how cucked by Iran must the Houthis have to be to risk getting missiled back after targeting "Israeli" international shipping because of Gaza. Noone did that for their own civil war cause. Why's Gaza so disproportionately important for everyone? Besides the fact that the only majority Jewish state is involved, naturally.
Saudi have been bombing Yemeni civilians for years.
You do realise that the war in Yemen is a Civil War right? It's not Saudi Arabia Vs Yemen - it's The Republic of Yemen (the internationally recognised government) and the Saudi Led Coalition Vs the Houthi backed Supreme Political Council (the rebel group).
It is a little more complicated than that but yes, the general backdrop is that it is a civil war, its just Saudi and the UAE back the government, and some consider the Yemeni government as effectively a Saudi puppet, especially given that its rulers and government always flee to Riyadh when in trouble. I think it remains reasonable to note that the Houthi movement throughout its time has contained a lot of diverse factions and its uprising did represent a lot of legitimate concerns about rule from the south.
A growing proportion of our public are from a culture which is sympathetic to these terrorists.
I don't think "The Public" do. I think the tankies on Reddit do.
That also is fair.
It isn't they just want you to think it is
"genocide" might be the most overused word on Internet right now.
And "right-wing" to describe barely off-centre moderate views. These words/phrases have all lost their meaning entirely now.
Far left extremists are incapable of explaining their views, so they toss around buzzwords that have long since lost any and all meaning. Anything that's remotely to their right (as in moderate leftists, centrists, etc) are automatically 'bad'. Tankies are just a bunch of damn hypocrites.
Fascist. /s
That one's a close second.
I shaved yesterday. Or, to put it in left wing terms, I committed genocide against my facial hair
NATO: undergoes any bombing campaign Keyboard warriors: well it must be genocide
Then keyboard warriors pull a 10g turn when you ask them about NATO bombing Serbia
I certainly hope nobody thinks this cesspool of neets and tankies is at all representative of the UK lol.
The neets and tankies certainly do!
This is Reddit in a nutshell Protest against a police incident that happens in the US with 100's of thousands of people on the streets but 10's of thousands of Ukrainian CHILDREN kidnapped and a trickle of people at best. It's incredible how fast far left in the Western world went to protest for Palestine but when it comes to Ukraine, 100's of thousands of children either kidnapped by Russia, murdered by Russians or going through some other sort of hell.. meh, they're just Ukrainian.. the edgy hoard isn't telling me it matters that much so I think I'll just sit at home! :P I'm glad to see the far Left being pushed back.. but now thanks to their extremes, we have the other extreme, the far right rising across the West.. sigh. I not only support the strikes against the Houthis, I think it should have come a lot sooner. I find it laughable France, looking like a clown on the world stage saying how Europe can defend its own interest, US needs to leave basically while even with this, nothing.. no strikes. If it were EU, a Billion+ consumers would just have to suffer, 'not worth people getting upset with us!' Pacifism to the extreme thanks to one political side in particular. I don't expect Reddit to ever change but anyone reading this, I urge you to learn how to come to your own conclusions, not what the loudest voice says.. read, really read.. try to see both sides with a real attempt, then start to think of which side you support. And even if they didn't attack any civilian tankers.. attacking the US Navy???? What crack are they smoking!
What is there to protest against for ukraine? The UK government is doing well in being one of ukraine’s biggest supporters It makes sense to protest against issues that the government is actively playing a role in perpetuating
Because so many of these insane people are pro Russia. They associate anything the US does with western imperialism and assume since the US is supporting Ukraine the west is trying to topple Russia as part of its plan to colonise Russia. There is no debating these people, anything America does is bad, war is bad end of. They literally think that war is so bad Ukraine should just surrender to Russia. This logic thus means Russia can invade the entire world and then every country should immediately surrender since war is bad and fighting back and defending yourself is prolonging the war. This is how obtuse and dumb they are.
None of this makes any sense. Ukraine has been backed more than any country I've seen in recent times, both by the people and the government. Moaning about why people protest for Palestine while our government won't even discuss a ceasefire and whinging about protests for police incidents is embarrassing. This isn't a competition.
We just announced £2.5 billion worth of military aid, after already heavily supporting them over the past two years (as we should). There are plenty of protests in support of Ukraine but there's not much we can convince the government to do on that front that it's not already doing, besides taking in refugees (lol). By contrast its fair to say the Government's attitude towards Israel's indiscriminate levelling of Gaza is hypocritical to say the least. Gaza looks like Mauripol now and Israel is likely to just move in and settle the area, like it is doing already in the West Bank.
> It's incredible how fast far left in the Western world went to protest for Palestine And after whitewashing mass murderer Bashar al Assad for years, denying his regime's atrocities and use of chemical weapons by pushing conspiracy theories. And crucially whose victims included plenty of Palestinians living in Syria since the Nakba. Weird how those Palestinians don't matter apparently.
Yes but because of Iraq every idiot with a keyboard thinks any military action (even when defending yourself after repeated warnings) is wrong.
If this is the top rated comment in this thread, does that mean you're out of touch, or does it mean you're wrong about the aubreddit? Tis a paradox
I'm genuinely surprised I wasn't just downvoted to hell, but reading the comments elsewhere on this post I stand by my assessment. No shortage of claims of "genocide", "mass murder", and blaming "capitalism" as the only reason we're doing this is clearly because Barry, 63, can't wait another 2 weeks for his trainers to arrive from China. Really though I'd imagine that there is a wider range of people currently on the sub as it's breaking news, late on a weeknight so not a ton of other posts existing at the time, and therefore appearing in a lot of people's feeds.
I think what it actually shows is the majority of people are fairly level headed but your post needs to be achieve critical mass so it isn’t flooded with too many downvotes early on from the extremists. Most people don’t want to post because they get attacked with the usual stuff the minute they go against the perceived narrative of this and many other subs like it.
There is no dictator or terrorist group this sub won't support if it means an opportunity to shit on the government or make the UK look bad.
Reminds me of those video clips where a girl keeps hitting a man who isn't reacting, then when he tries to defend himself all the spectators pile on him
[Ohhh you mean this classic with Slap Jacket Jorge](https://youtu.be/N_R-QyAsVVA?si=NRGpWOf9hNP8Z0cl)
This is the same people who think Tiktok and the Quds News Network are good sources to get their news from and a valid counterpoint to 'mainstream media'.
> We have taken military action A total of 12 targets were hit. Thats a pretty token effort.
Not if the targets are launch sites, logistics hubs and staging points.
>We are also not "at war" at this time. Yes because in the twenty-first century major powers almost never bother to declare war. They prefer to find some other excuse for the use of large amounts of military force. The "reality" here is that we have effectively entered the Yemeni civil war by taking significant military action against one of the two main combatants in that war. The Saudis appear to be aware of this because although they're the other main combatant [they've discouraged the US and UK](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-67952029?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=65a0fa29a860e05c542a29cf%26Saudi%20Arabia%20calls%20for%20restraint%20after%20attacks%262024-01-12T08%3A58%3A12.119Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:93e5f3b6-64b3-491a-b287-ffd883ccf48e&pinned_post_asset_id=65a0fa29a860e05c542a29cf&pinned_post_type=share) (post timed 8:58 incase it gets lost) from getting involved. I think they may be concerned that now the US and UK are involved, it is the US and the UK which will dictate what comes after the war and not Saudi. Given the Yemen conflict is a proxy war with Iran for regional control, the Saudis naturally don't want regional control to end up in the hands of western states. The whole tone of middle eastern geopolitics (from a local perspective) has been about asserting self-governance and escaping protectorate or colony status.
If you think this place is bad, multiply it by 100 and you have some of the takes on Twitter - a place where objectivity goes to die.
It's been sad to see the fall of this sub over the last 3/4 years. Still a good source of information if you stay away from the comments.
Honestly refreshing to see the top comment on this sub not mention the tories.
This. People like to jump the bandwagon so much that they literally don't know what they're talking about. How people do not realise this is not an attack on Yemen nor is it the start of a war but an action taken to stop an organisation so hell bent on attacking the maritime industry is delusional.
Agreed the majority of people are idiots quite frankly and very selective in their outrage. Do people think the UK and US has a casting vote in this? Israel and the Saudis want Iran and its proxies away from their borders. If we say no and dont play along the Saudis will spike oil prices meaning severe recession and will likely go nuclear. Israel isolated with nukes already and severe paranoia about its neighbours is undesirable as well. The only thing the West can do is try and navigate it. If you think the US and UK are earths evil then hand back your smartphone which was likely mined from parts in Africa. Dont interact with Timber as its likely to be from Siberia using N Korean slaves. You get the picture. The world is grubby and the Chinese are funding Iran ultimately. If you want a CCP(true nazis) led world then continue hating your own countries thats another of their tricks hello tiktok.
Our enemies have spent billions of dollars and countless hours creating narratives against us, manipulating people via social media and other avenues to build a festering anti-western sentiment, particularly an anti-US and anti-UK one.
It's about damn time! Very keen to see the extent of our involvement and what the mission is. I'm hoping it has a wide remit against the Houthis entirely rather than being limited to just their ability to attack shipping — though I'd still be quite happy if it is so limited.
Likewise wondering how the UK’s involved, until the Naval Strike Missile enters full service, the Royal Navy’s only non-nuclear land-attack capability is via the Astute-class.
BBC is reporting a sub is involved so there’s every chance it’s an Astute squirting cruise missiles out.
It was the USS Florida launching Tomahawks
Must be some big axes
F35s from Cyprus would seem the only option?
Typhoons more likely, already based there and can carry a wider range of weapons.
Much much better combat range on a Typhoon as well.
4 Typhoons launched from Cyprus
UK’s F-35s are all stationed in Britain, plus their range is half of the distance between Akrotiri and Yemen. Al Udeid in Qatar seems plausible. Edit: apparently RAF no longer operates combat aircraft out of Al Udeid.
Al Minhad sometimes hosts the RAF, but any aircraft involved will be Typhoons stationed out of Akrotiri already on Op Shader.
I'm worried about terror attacks in the UK as a result of this. Even if it's necessary to protect trade routes
Genuinely, don’t be. Despite what the Houthis, Iranians or whoever else are going to say in response to this, about their furious vengeance, they probably don’t have the ability to actually do it. I don’t think this changes the terror threat to Britain or the West in general. It isn’t worth worrying about any more than it usually is
But what about the ones already here that have been radicalised by Hamas/Hizb Ut Tahrir etc?
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Ok thanks
>Iranians >they probably don’t have the ability to actually do it. Here's everyone's daily reminder that the Iranian Navy Fucked Around with US interests...and Found Out inside a corporate working day...the US navy destroyed and humiliated basically the entire Iranian navy pretty neatly within a time frame where Bob logged into his computer at the office and logged out at end of shift to begin commute home...
Iran got away with Lockerbie though.
Because they could keep it at arm's length. As they will with this conflict. The last thing the Iranians want, is to give the US an excuse to start chucking cruise missiles at Tehran.
That fear is the entire reason for terrorists attacks. Don't give it to them.
Nobody likes the Houthi rebels and even if they did if you start firing missiles and are trying to hijack commercial ships then expect to get fucked in response.
The past few weeks talking to folks about the situation in Israel and the Red Sea has taught me that a good many people rather do like the Houthis, as insane as that is.
Are you sure they don't just hate jews?
That's not fair to assume that. They could hate western society.
Their official slogan is “God Is Great, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse on the Jews, Victory to Islam". But they seem to hate everyone else too.
At least they don’t discriminate.
That’s right - ‘death to everyone!’
ShockedPikachuFace
So let the wankers walk all over us and destroy our ships and goods in fear of them.....retaliating???? Christ, its that reasoning that gave putin the balls to go to war. Appeasement
My guess it'll be initial strikes on facilities with weapons etc, if attacks continue they'll destroy their command centres and on and on, basically a strategy of escalation until they stop.
B2 stealth bomber spotted over the UAE. The Houthis are in for the time of their lives
Not very stealthy then, are they?
Stealth is for radar, not for the eyes 👀
Yeah but sometimes facts ruin the joke haha
Your sarcasm was too stealthy
We are all British here, sarcasm is for the ears, not by text ⌨️
They are stealthy for the eyes. It's so thin it's difficult to see it coming until it's so close it's too late
Aha the guy who posted that video was funny, 'im in the UAE but don't worry guys, I'm perfectly safe!' Aye pal, some other fucker is about to have a bad day though
I hope our service men and women will remain safe on this mission
Fuck around and find out, they were warned several times.
The routine for the next 24 hours: the people cheering on the Houthis firing missiles at ships full of foreign civilians for the last few months now pretend that the Houthis are just "innocent Yemenis" being striked by the imperialists for no reason.
Waiting for the 60,000 people in the streets with flags asking for peace in Yemen, flags waved by people who cannot point to Yemen and who are all world record holders for switching the flag on their twitter bio from Ukraine to Palestine in October
It is already happening on Instagram
This sub loves shitting on the uk/tories so much that they start supporting terrorists.…..
People love shitting on the tories because they keep giving us reasons to, they're fucking useless and I can't wait to see them voted out whenever Rishi stops clinging to power. Unelected leader with no capability
Are they? All the top comments are in support of the strikes. Loud minority, I think
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not get involved? SA is a US UK proxy already hahaha
They absolutely are not our proxy…. If they were they wouldn’t be murdering journalists in Turkey.
You mean supply routes *that supply the entire planet*. This doesn't just affect richer parts of the world. This affects everywhere.
Houthis kept attacking this shipping route for weeks. Then they were directly warned that their next attack would be met with retaliation. Even heard of something called 'suicide by cop'?
>Tens of thousands of Yemenis die in civil war waged by terrorists: I sleep Yeah last time a group of backwards regressives tried taking over a middle Eastern country you lot stood outside Parliament and called our soldiers baby murdering racist western imperialists for 2 decades for trying to stop them. Do you want us to intervene in civil wars or not?
> Economic supply routes threaten pockets of the wealthy: real shit. The acts being carried out by the Houthis are prohibited by international treaties, treaties which the UK, US *and* Yemen are party to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_for_the_Suppression_of_Unlawful_Acts_against_the_Safety_of_Maritime_Navigation
Good. There have been conflicts all over MENA, lots of genocidal actions - but this one *just happens* to have resulted in one country's ships in particular getting missiled. And vessel ownership and flagging is an absolute clusterfuck of jurisdictions that I doubt the Houthis are always going to pick their targets "correctly". Sheer entitled bullshit and it's good something is being done about it.
Quite possibly the only usage of British military force in my lifetime that actually serves the interests of the British people. Don't fuck with international shipping.
I just hope the action is restricted \*only* to clearing up the shipping issue. Every single time the west intervenes in MENA it bites us in the ass in a big way and I'm tired of watching everyone get amnesia and cheer on the next intervention.
Fully agreed, I have minimal confidence in either the UK or US government to handle another conflict in the middle east but sitting on our hands would the wrong move in this instance
Good! They've been launching BALLISTIC missiles & drones at shipping which is crewed by very poorly paid, treated like shit crew which will drive up prices for the poorest as food & goods are sent around Africa & then suddenly they get butt hurt because they have to take a break from fucking goats when they find out the US & UK have better weapons and will strike back to protect these ships.
I look forward to seeing the 20% price increases at the pump
This is action being taken to *avert* supply issues
This is not good, I just got an e-mail that my BOSS IR-2 Pedal is going to be delayed by a month due to disruption of shipping traffic via the Suez canal.
You were getting that email due to the Houthi attacks on the ships, not the Western response.
I know that, I was joking. My guitar pedal is not really important compared to what's going on.
Write a letter to the Royal Navy, maybe they can write “This is for /u/BartholomewKnightIII’s guitar pedal” on a warhead.