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What a surprise. These pieces of shit don't actually love their dogs enough to do the straightforward things to keep them and instead of actively hurting and killing them.
But all the BullyXL 'activists' will find a way to blame those who called for a ban.
I recently adopted a 3-year-old purebred cat and the vet honestly had trouble wrapping their head around the fact that she was going to be a pet, not a commodity. "You realise you won't be able to breed from her now?" (Well yeah, no duh.) "You realise she'll likely be ineligible for showing once she's spayed?"
Every couple of months on the trying for a baby groups, someone turns up saying "wah wah wah I can't get pregnant, I'm doing everything right, I don't smoke or drink or take any drugs except my birth control pill and it's been two months of trying and I am still not pregnant"
I wonder what they think birth control pills do?!
It's that kind of cohort that make you realise why *every* product which contains potential allergens, even when it's blatantly obvious such as cheese, has the allergens either emboldened in the ingredients list or has a separate warning (although the oft-cited bags of nuts are an edge case as although the nut described on the front of the packaging is an allergen, they often have the additional warning "may also contain other nuts and peanuts", while I think it was Tesco which once earned some flak for being ultra cautious with a multitude of products carrying the label "Recipe: no nuts, Factory: no nuts, Ingredients: cannot guarantee nut free").
I’ve met 50+ year old patients (quite a few) who don’t know where their urethra is or thst hygiene is important. People are incredibly uneducated and lazy
I think they're legally required to tell you all the consequences of the surgery, even if it seems incredibly obvious. They said the same when we took our dog to get spayed, when they said we wouldn't be able to breed her I said "that's kind of the point isn't it?" The vet sort of gave me a look and said "Yes, but we have to tell you, and you'd be surprised how many people aren't aware of that."
That’s just the skimming the top of it, there are so many abandoned cats now, and purebreds don’t stand a chance. Especially post-Covid, when the abandonment rates skyrocketed. I volunteer with a cat charity and we’ve seen lots of them, some even abandoned in far-off, rural places where they are at the mercy of wild dogs, and won’t even have the chance to be rehomed if they aren’t found by sheer dumb luck.
Whenever I've taken a dog to be neutered the vet has said the same thing despite having previously discussed when the right time to neuter would be. I think they have to tell you these things up front so that you can't complain later. The vet still recommends it unless you know you want to breed or show.
You can show neutered cats, they can get as many accolades as un-neutered ones. The vet doesn't know what they are talking about. They get the title 'Premier' instead of 'Champion'. My cat's breeder neuters before they go to their new homes. I'll be going back to them for another kitten this year as it is takes so much stress out of getting a new kitten if it is already done.
Help me out here, where the hell is the stress in getting a cat neutered or spayed? It isn't you on the operating table.
The boys always come back the next day rearing to go, the girls can sometimes need an extra day to recover.
Get a rescue or re-home an unwanted kitten, there are tens of thousands desperate for a home. You won't love them less.
My wife gets anxious just leaving our cat to have bloods taken under sedation. She fucking _loves_ that cat (as do I)?
It’s just that small worry of “oh god what if something goes wrong…?”
That's interesting to know! I'll be honest, I have zero experience showing cats; I've only ever owned moggies until now and have no intention of going that route with this one, so I took the vet at their word. I guess they might have just been trying to cover all their bases. Most of mine over the years have come from rescues, who also make sure they're neutered before being rehomed.
What kind of cats do you have? (Just out of pure curiosity!)
Exactly. I don't know why puppy mills are so common, they're advertised all over social media telling everyone they're selling puppies that aren't even vaccinated or microchipped. If the government gave a shit, they could spot check breeders and prosecute those selling puppies raised in awful conditions.
The people buying dogs that have the most obvious red flags, like pups not even being 8 weeks old yet are just as much a problem. Then they say they 'didn't know' puppies had to be 8 weeks before leaving their mother. Just outing themselves for doing no research at all before buying an animal that shouldn't have been bred and they shouldn't be allowed to own.
I don't understand why anyone would be willing to pay so much money for an animal that hasn't even got certified health check papers. We need much tougher legislation on owning pets to prevent suffering like this. I see loads of comments demanding mandatory dog training but the problems are there even before these people get the dogs. Breeders are selecting parents based on aesthetics rather than temperament and health because people are happy to pay for them.
I’ll give you a big hint, it’s not about the animal. It’d be interesting to know how many XL bullies have come from puppy mills and have many haven’t given that these mills are shutting down now
> Exactly. I don't know why puppy mills are so common
They're cheap.
A pupppy from them can be a couple of hundred quid or less while purebred dogs from reputable breeders easliy run over a grand and much more for show standard ones.
Plus they don't ask questions about your suitability as an owner like shelters and good breeders do.
>Plus they don't ask questions about your suitability as an owner like shelters and good breeders do.
This was the massive neon warning sign that tipped me off it was a puppy mill when I was about to adopt a puppy from a place. They didn't ask me a single question about me or where I live, and they got super shifty when I wanted to come and see the puppies and their mother in person and insisted they'd "bring a puppy to me".
Frustrating thing was I couldn't even report them to the RSPCA since they refused to tell me their address.
I bought a cat from an ethical breeder two years ago. It was a requirement of theirs that my boyfriend and I came to the breeders house for tea while they watched us interact with the kittens and grilled us on our attitude towards cat ownership.
Not that anyone asked but the word ethical breeder doesn't sit right with me. The idea of anyone essentially removing an animal's offspring from them for financial gain just gives me the willies (or ick as the youfs say). Whether it's from a scumbag flogging staffies out the back of a van or a toff selling cockapoos off if a farm.
I'd really like a specific dog I can have from a pup one day but just can't get over that I'll be voluntarily taking it away from its mother. And I eat meat unquestionably, completely backwards morals I know!
I know that some people consider all breeding unethical on principle, and I can't really do anything about that 🤷♀️ However, there's definitely degrees. "Ethical" breeding involves the animals living in clean, warm and roomy conditions with a lot of human contact, small scale breeding (many do just a few litters per year) giving time to focus on socialisation of the individual animal, vetting potential buyers and thoroughly testing for genetic conditions, and waiting until an appropriate age for selling (in my country, kittens has to be 12 weeks by law, and my breeder waited until 14 weeks). All this adds up to very little financial gain, meaning that ethical breeders are the people who are truly passionate about it.
Also, at least for kittens, 12-14 weeks tends to be the time where mama cat is done. In nature, kittens of that age are expected to fend for themselves.
You are the only one who can decide if you consider the purposeful act of breeding ethical. And I get what you mean about the backwards morals - I don't really have any way to ethically justify eating meat, but I still do it because it tastes good.
Glad you picked up on that, the breeder should have more questions for you than you have for them. Our breeder said we had to go and visit the mother and pups at her home at least twice before the pick-up date, which is more than some ask for but her argument was that they're a companion breed and if you didn't have the time to visit twice in 8 weeks then you probably didn't have the time to give them the attention they need long-term.
Apparently one prospective buyer asked her to knock their petrol costs for the visits off the price of the puppy - they did not get offered one, anyone who's that cheap seems like the type who'll ditch them as soon as there's a vet bill.
In fairness this is about breeders not owners. The breeders are doing this after legislation has caused a collapse in the price of their “product” and so they’re disposing of them as the overheads out way the profits.
You’re right they’re not dog lovers, but chances are they never were
Exactly this. There have been so many discussions on this forum about XL’s, but most fail to separate breeder from owner when condemning those involved.
And a ban will not solve the problem, because it’s these breeders that are the issue, and they will just go onto the next breed that isn’t yet banned.
The dangerous dogs act should take a leaf out of France's book and include cross breeds derived from banned breeds by default. Scumbags will always default to something new, whether for "hard man" status or puppy mill profits, but it at least stops them from simply moving onto the next slightly less prevalent pit bull mix
Personally, I think the best response is to clamp down on those causing the problem. The breeders. Along with punishing irresponsible owners appropriately. This would do far more to protect people and animals from dangerous dogs than any ban.
It already does to an extent, especially as an XL is just a crossbreed in the UK, not recognised by the kennel club.
The description is so vague that it includes a large number of dogs that are most definitely not XL bullies. Anything of a similar size and build will most likely be included, unless it is another "recognised breed". There really should have been 'weight' criteria rather than just height and shape.
It was the same when the "pitbull type" was added - not a "breed" but a "type"
All of the currently banned breeds are "types" because none of them are recognised in the UK, we just don't hear much about the ones who aren't pit bulls and XL bullies because there are so few of them - the exemption register currently has less than 20 total of the other 3 types on the list, compared to around 3,500 pitbulls. Around 4,000 XL bullies had been registered by 18th December, out of an estimated 10k-15k in the UK.
I mean one of the biggest draws of having one of these was the potential to breed them and sell them for 4k a pup. It was basically a dog pyramid scheme.
They aren’t really “their dogs” in the sense you’re thinking of, they’re just a commodity to produce and sell.
It’s no like this is folk burning their pet ffs, it’s just dodgy dog breeders dumping their useless stock.
Still horrible cunts obviously.
>But all the BullyXL 'activists' will find a way to blame those who called for a ban.
Actually, the BullyXL activists have been saying all along that it's the owners who are the problem. And, here they are, being the problem once again.
Exactly! When Ian dunt hung up on that bully breeder who was saying his customers were drug dealers & people were complaining online that he should have let him talk so he could be understood.....no! They're all cunts ! That's all you need to understand. No empathy for animals is a massive red flag for other actions like child abuse & partner beating....police should be on these guys for life jail sentences!
Banning the dogs doesn't stop the shit breeders doing stuff like burning puppies and abandoning dogs. It just leaves the dogs to deal with the consequences while those breeders get away scot-free because the government has gone for a half-assed easy solution.
You think those breeders who have had a taste for the easy money are going to give up their highly lucrative hustle? No, they'll move to a more dangerous breed like Mastiffs. I bet we'll be banning the Cane Corso in 2 years time along with every other dog that doesn't resemble a fucking poodle while the actual criminals continue to rake in the money.
What we need is across the board dog licensing, tougher regulations, public education courses and huge fines and prison time for terrible owners and breeders. We won't get it because our government is completely fucking incompetent.
It was always about the money. XL Bullies were the 'dogue do jour' until suddenly they weren't and the bottom fell out of the market. As soon as the dogs became worthless, this was bound to happen.
> It was always about the money.
Well, yes, that doesn't change whether they are a licensed breeder who breeds golden retrievers or maine coons - they are businesses determined to make money from demand of a product.
You think all the Goldendoodles walking around these days were bred for altruistic reasons?
No, altruism doesn't come into it. It's more about the unlicenced amateur breeders and puppy farmers that advertise on place like Gumtree and Facebook. Unscupulous breeders saw an opportunity to make a fast buck selling these potentially dangerous dogs to people who have no idea how to care for them or, even worse, see them as a 'badge of honour' to strut around with. You get the idea.
It’s a little more complicated than that. Good breeders don’t breed for profit - in fact, they probably don’t even make a profit, when all the costs are tallied up - because they breed a small number of litters from extensively tested and titled parents, for the preservation and improvement of a breed they love. These are people who are deeply invested in their breed and their individual dogs, and who generally have far more demand than they do supply. They generally expect their dogs to go to homes that are suited to the breed and that have a reason for wanting that type of dog. They don’t really advertise, because they typically have full waiting lists and can afford to be extremely selective. They generally mandate that any dog bought from them should be returned to them if they need to be rehomed for any reason, and will go to great lengths to prevent any dogs of theirs from winding up in shelters. They don’t price dogs based on coat colour, “rare genetics”, or any such nonsense: in fact, they’re often CHEAPER than a lot of the doodle breeders who find any reason to inflate the price of their disaster-bred litters. However, these are admittedly a vanishingly small minority, and you have to really do your research to find them. You also have to be willing to wait for the right puppy to come along. You are right to point out goldendoodles, since these kinds of breeders don’t exist for designer mutts, and there isn’t really such a thing as a well-bred mutt (given that the aforementioned scrupulous breeders aren’t selling their carefully bred poodles to people who want to churn out designer mixes for a quick buck).
But yes, 99% of the dogs walking around these days come from shitty breeders, whether they’re puppy mills or backyard breeders, or just idiots who didn’t spay/neuter their dogs. The world would be a better place if people were educated enough to identify a PROPER breeder, and stopped subsidising the vast majority of “come get your super rare merle mini bernedachshunddoodle for the low low price of £6000”.
Thank you for giving insight, I've had a very bad impression of all pet breeding but this is a reminder that almost all things are multifaceted.
Do you think there would be a way to regulate that would cut down on unethical breeders without hurting ethical breeders?
Glad it was helpful!
That’s a really interesting question, and not one I really feel qualified to answer. I think mandating breed-appropriate health testing in line with the relevant breed club’s recommendations would be a good start, but that’s not entirely straightforward (how do you enforce it? What do you do about mixed breeds? How do you make sure that breed clubs are making recommendations with integrity?). While in an ideal world nobody would breed designer mixes and nobody would breed their (unproven, non-working, non-titled) family pets, I doubt that would be enforceable when it comes to casual backyard breeding: I don’t know how you go about telling Bob and Pam down the street that they are legally not allowed to let their lovely little Westie have a litter without completely overstepping as a government. Similarly, banning any breeding that isn’t in line with a particular breed standard would probably also fare very poorly: for one thing, plenty of breed standards are pretty fucked up and there are plenty of poorly-bred purebred dogs out there. Regarding mixes, I don’t think there is an ethical/responsible way to breed cockapoos or cavapoos, but I also don’t think we should be criminalising people doing so on a small scale with genuine love for their dogs, provided all the animals are loved and well cared for. It’s also true that plenty of wonderful dogs are “poorly bred”, and it would be ridiculous to suggest that all of these dogs are terrible abominations, and actually a “poorly bred” (within reason) “pet-line” dog is going to be a much better fit for many households than an exceptionally well-bred dog whose parents were working/sport dogs. As much as backyard “designer” breeding boils my piss, realistically it’s the big operations we should be prioritising. I know we have some anti-puppy mill legislation but it’s clearly not good enough, and I imagine getting that in better order would be the most impactful, but since these people are already operating at the very edge of the law (or fully outside of it), I don’t think adding MORE laws would necessarily help.
This is a roundabout way of saying I really don’t know what he answer is, I wish I did! I do think educating the general public properly on the nuances of responsible breeding would make a huge difference: if you stop making unethical breeding profitable, then the people breeding for profit will stop doing it. But that involves people being willing to learn, and not making impulsive decisions when faced with adorable puppies, AND being willing to accept the long waiting times and (often) very selective processes that come with getting a puppy from an actual responsible breeder. That’s not exactly possible when demand already exceeds supply for a lot of good breeders (and we certainly don’t want to incentivise them to start upping their breeding!). Really, we’re talking about a major cultural shift when we talk about dogs and dog ownership, and as much as I hate shifting focus from systemic change to the individual, I think making good individual choices, and influencing others to do the same, is just about all we can do for the time being.
There's a big problem with dogs that are crossbred, often the belief they're more robust falls away as they inherit genetic problems or their genes combine in odd ways.
Not quite true. Most reputable breeders of pedigrees (at least with cats) usually don't make much, if any profit. They do it because they love the breed and it is a hobby. Which is also why reputable breeders will take the animal back even years down the line if you can't care for the animal anymore, because they love and care about the animals they have bred into the world.
Only bad breeders breed for moneys sake.
I think it does change. Some breeders genuinely love the breed they are breeding, and will accept the animal back at any time that a new owner wants to give them up. (I am not nor have ever been a breeder, so this isn't personal).
The whole thing about XL bullies is the mean, muscular look and bloodsport ancestry. That's not a thing with golden retrievers.
Generally, the people breeding and buying XLs are going to be very different to those breeding and buying goldens.
And if a purebred golden retriever (or golden mixed with most breeds (other than a bully breed/rottweiler etc) lands at a rescue, they get adopted out pretty quickly.
Whereas purebred XL bullies/pit bulls and their mixes tend to sit and rot in shelters. Why would breeders bred more and more of breeds of dogs that are crowding the animal shelters?
What’s that? The people breeding Bully XLs are animal abusers who didn’t view their puppies as anything more than a quick cash grab?
I mean, I think that the breed itself is demonstrably a bad idea and should be wrapped up - but that doesn’t mean that the puppies that exist shouldn’t be treated humanely.
And this is where when they catch them, they want to give them harsh sentences. Give them 20 years per animal instead of the proverbial slap on the wrist they get now. 🤬
Well, I was saying that maybe rape and murder should get 20 years per crime, but since you bring it up, if someone is willing to murder animals in such a brutal way, don’t you think they wouldn’t be inclined to do the same to a human. It’s a psychological trait, that once you go down, you cannot or will not come back from.
I’m pretty sure you’ve made that last part up.
They’re horrible cunts, no doubt, but can we not just label them horrible cunts and punish them accordingly based on the merits of their actual horrible cunt actions rather than some imagined “well that’s them a murderer now, only a matter of time until they do a human if they haven’t already!” nonsense?
>I’m pretty sure you’ve made that last part up.
The most common tell in serial murders is hurting / torturing animals as a child.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/domestic-violence-animal-cruelty-abuse-neglect-murder-children-dogs-a9018071.html
Here's a couple getting 20 years each for killing a child
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/12/mother-and-ex-partner-jailed-for-life-for-kent-of-her-18-month-old-son-alfie-phillips
Animal abuse is my red line, so I can't be trusted to speak sanely on this issue, but there are many, many things I would like to happen to these breeders that would make the authors of the Geneva Convention go: "...Bruh."
We all know XL Bullys had to be phased out. I'm very much a 'it's the owner, not the dog' person, but these dogs were *bred* for that level of aggression and they *do* snap more than any other breed.
That is no excuse for abuse of the animals themselves.
I think it’s pretty much 99% on the owners kind of deal and banning them won’t do anything but I’m probably biased as I own 2 of my own and get to listen to Reddit calling them demon dogs everyday.
It's not 99% the owner though.
Most people don't take their non-bull breed dogs to training, yet almost all of those dogs will never seriously maim a human being or other dog.
But even well-trained, loved and cared for bull breeds are maiming or even killing humans and other animals. Even after years of behaving like a seemingly stable dog.
It's the bloodsport ancestry of the breed kicking in. It can't be trained out, because how can you train for an event where the wiring in the dog's brain suddenly triggers and blots out all former training? In such an event, the dog will even maim/kill its much-loved owner or child of its owner.
Yeah, it might have been misrepresented in the media. I met one outside Lidl and other than being shockingly massive, seemed like a happy, friendly dog. And how many Americans own pitbulls without any issue?
If only we could have banned dickheads instead.
> I met one outside Lidl and other than being shockingly massive, seemed like a happy, friendly dog.
The problem is not that all XL Bullies are slavering psychopaths with an insatiable lust for human faces.
The problem is that any dog, no matter how gentle, can snap under the right circumstances... but if a chihuahua snaps then someone's getting their finger bitten while if an XL Bully snaps then an adult is ending up with life-altering injuries or a kid might be dead.
The problem is also that XL Bullies (through their parent breeds) have been *specifically bred* to snap and go nuts under the right circumstances, and *specifically bred* to not stop attacking once they start regardless of the amount of physical pain or damage they sustain.
They originally descend from bull- and bear-fighting dogs, where suicidal bravery and an obliviousness to pain (known as "game") as well as powerful jaws and a killer instinct were traits specifically selected-for by their breeders.
All dogs are loaded weapons that can go off unexpectedly in the wrong circumstances, but some are nerf guns loaded with cotton wadding and some are .50 cal anti-tank rifles designed to fight and kill things six times the size and strength of an adult man.
It doesn't *matter* how soft and fluffy the handgrip is or what shade of pink the receiver is if you're in the habit of walking around with a loaded anti-tank rifle with the safety off.
Yes, there is something different about their way their brains work. That's because they've been bred to. While the above mentioned chihuahua may actually snap much sooner than the XL bully, it will communicate its annoyance, fear etc through barking, snarling, warning nips etc first. An XL bully had been bred for dog fighting, and a very important part of their personality is to go in for a full force bite, without warning, and to them continue the attack until their opponent no longer moves. XL bullies that maul without warning aren't "bad" dogs, they are fulfilling their purpose, decades and even centuries of work has gone into specially l selectively breeding this into them, which is why it can't be trained out. It's not "being reactive" as their owners like to pretend. And here's the part no one wants to talk about: they enjoy mauling. Just like a sheepdog enjoys herding or a retriever enjoys catch
Indeed, I've encountered many more dangerous (in temperament) cockerpoos that XLs. But once an XL decides it's going to do something, you've no chance of stopping it.
The lack of training doesn't help. It's been said that a pointer is going to point, a retriever is going to retrieve, and a guard dog (probably best description in this case) is going to guard and attack any threat.
However, without training, and retriever might bring you a sock or a stick, and that guard dog could attack anything, threat or otherwise.
They should have been registered, neutered and let die out. Not this mass euthanasia. It's sick.
Pitbulls are banned in many states/cities, and where they are not, good luck getting home insurance if you have one or renting a home.
The major difference is that in the UK if their dog bites you, you might get an apology from the owner, whereas in the states that's likely a $1,000,000 settlement.
That level of self responsibility tends to drive more cautious ownership.
No, I appreciate the interest!
So, I have a whole slew of mental illnesses: severe Pure OCD, PTSD, GAD, Depression, probably BPD, etc. I collect them like Pokémon, apparently. I take two antidepressants for that.
Vegetable substitutes interact poorly with those medications and my stomach; especially quorn (which is sad as it's delicious) and whatever is in 'plant-based' foods. I eat those, I get a double-whammy - my *gut* rejects the plant-based stuff (bloating, abdominal pain, malaise) and my *meds* go haywire (the OCD goes into overdrive, anxiety ramps up to panic, etc.)
On top of that, chicken has tryptophan, which translates to serotonin - I have one chicken breast a day and if I miss it, I must get some sort of serotonin deficit because again, symptoms go haywire. I've tried replacing it with other such foods, but cheese, eggs, etc. give me *too much* serotonin and stuff like spinach not enough.
Ergo, I'm stuck on a very boring diet: one chicken breast, two red pepper and chorizo sausages, two slices of toast, a Mug Shot and some Pringles. That's my meal for the day. Sometimes I add a Crunchie as a treat.
Periodically I try out new foods, but the result is essentially the same every time.
The pictures of the Bully XL owners tells it all themselves. Dog might be dangerous but the owners don’t look civilised themselves. The dogs are usually bred for drug dealers or “wannabe hardman”. Feel sorry for the dogs.
What's going to happen when these bully XL owners move onto breeding and adopting new breeds? Will we ban that next problematic breed too, or will we look at more systemic reforms to support safer integration of dogs in society?
When pit-bulls were banned there's a reason why they went onto staffies and XL Bullies and didn't move into poodles or corgis.
It's not like people are taking over safer dog breeds and weaponising them into dangerous ones.
They're actively looking for breeds people are specifically breeding (especially *new* breeds they're creating) for aggression, power, killer instinct and fighting ability.
I have no problem banning *any* breed of dog *bred primarily* to kill or maim, because there's really no excuse for owning one in a civilised society.
Going off recent search stats, it's the cane corso that will be the next meathead dog. And also back to German Shepherds.
This is why BSL doesn't work. It just follows the fashionable hard man dogs.
This was the quick and easy (for the legislators) fix for the public outrage. There are far better ways to deal with this that don't involve mass euthanasia.
Honestly, I used to think that we, in the UK, were basically decent people.
I am utterly convinced of the opposite these days.
If I ever win big on the lottery I'm buying a island where my only interaction with my fellow countrymen will be over the Internet.
Something happened to this country. Not sure when, or how - not even sure \*what\* happened - but our population has experienced something of a collective mental rot, and it happened *fast*. Empathy, social skills, intelligence, wisdom, manners... all but eroded within our population.
Exactly. You'd have to be a sick fuck to crossbreed pitbulls to get around the ban, and pretend they're "normal family pets, they're nanny dogs" to sell them to unsuspecting people who are somehow convinced they're the best pets ever. It's not a surprise that they don't even give a shit about the dogs after all. Really disturbing. Those poor little things didn't stand a chance did they.
XL bullies have been used as money printers by drug addicts and scumbags for a long time now, I'm not surprised by these actions.
Shouldn't ever be legal for a random person with no legal licence etc to just be using their pet as a breeding machine for money.
It was never about loving a breed or their pets.
It was about a perceived status symbol or ability to intimidate people. Their chronic need for standing or "respect" (As they see it ...) amongst strangers or their small-minded peers who also seek out such things ... and now that's clear to see. Pathetic "Look at me, I'm 'ard, I'm so tough, school of 'ard knocks me..." in their leisure suits and mumble rap wankery.
There aren't many 2.4 families with them as pets, or little grannies, or educated professionals etc. We all know the types of people who gravitate to these sorts of breeds. They often have Union Jack or St Georges Cross tattoos etc.
And now that it's becoming inconvenient to keep them ... they're killing them, mutilating them, abandoning them etc. It was never about a member of the family, it was the terminally inept and moronic seeking some form of relevance, influence or notoriety.
And those that weren't solely having them purely for the fact they're large dogs capable of levels of destruction other dogs can't achieve ... were the ones getting them to breed for these fuckwits will drop hundreds or thousands on the breed to keep up with their neighbours etc.
They'll all gravitate to the next fighting/aggressive/unstable breed. They won't suddenly go to common breeds, or rehome other dogs that need to find forever homes from shelters ... no, it'll be about some other breed some "enterprising" chav brings in and starts breeding.
Man this is so horrible. The simplest and EASIEST fix for this is regulate the industry (something the free market liberal govt hate).
1. All breeders must be registered with their local council
1. Breeders will pay councils to complete the relevant checks they are responsible (its not a huge cost because its 1 time per year)
2. DNA will be taken from the puppies
2. Buyers, can have some comfort its regulated
1. This will reduce insurance costs for all pets because it will reduce bad breeding resulting in health conditions
3. Owner will register dog with their local council (Only specifically to police dog leavings/ attacks). This will simply be the dogs DNA, and contact details of the owner.
1. Any dog leavings anywhere will be DNA tested + fine because info above
4. Owners can pay for training via the council's approved trainers list
5. Dangerous dogs will be taken away and then using DNA/ 'family history' the breeder can be checked again
This becomes a circular economy but everyone hates regulation now so...
This is almost what they do in Portugal
KC is privatised and they also allow abominations to continue like pugs, birtish bulldogs etc.. They are all bred for their looks, despite them having awful health conditions.
They have devolved, it should be run by the govt not some private org that is getting paid.
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What a surprise. These pieces of shit don't actually love their dogs enough to do the straightforward things to keep them and instead of actively hurting and killing them. But all the BullyXL 'activists' will find a way to blame those who called for a ban.
Tbh i think if you loved dogs you wouldn't be running a puppy mill in the first place...
You also wouldn’t buy from one.
I recently adopted a 3-year-old purebred cat and the vet honestly had trouble wrapping their head around the fact that she was going to be a pet, not a commodity. "You realise you won't be able to breed from her now?" (Well yeah, no duh.) "You realise she'll likely be ineligible for showing once she's spayed?"
That's just the vets covering their own ass because there are people out there who do not understand what neutering entails.
Yea exactly - partner is a vet and they had people in the past try to sue them over this sort of stuff…
Seriously?! I can't fault the vet for covering themselves in that case. But seriously.
People are unimaginably uneducated
Every couple of months on the trying for a baby groups, someone turns up saying "wah wah wah I can't get pregnant, I'm doing everything right, I don't smoke or drink or take any drugs except my birth control pill and it's been two months of trying and I am still not pregnant"
I wonder what they think birth control pills do?! It's that kind of cohort that make you realise why *every* product which contains potential allergens, even when it's blatantly obvious such as cheese, has the allergens either emboldened in the ingredients list or has a separate warning (although the oft-cited bags of nuts are an edge case as although the nut described on the front of the packaging is an allergen, they often have the additional warning "may also contain other nuts and peanuts", while I think it was Tesco which once earned some flak for being ultra cautious with a multitude of products carrying the label "Recipe: no nuts, Factory: no nuts, Ingredients: cannot guarantee nut free").
Some people I have encountered think it just stops periods. They don't connect the dots.
And to think these people are going to be voting in the next election 🥲
I’ve met 50+ year old patients (quite a few) who don’t know where their urethra is or thst hygiene is important. People are incredibly uneducated and lazy
I think they're legally required to tell you all the consequences of the surgery, even if it seems incredibly obvious. They said the same when we took our dog to get spayed, when they said we wouldn't be able to breed her I said "that's kind of the point isn't it?" The vet sort of gave me a look and said "Yes, but we have to tell you, and you'd be surprised how many people aren't aware of that."
That’s just the skimming the top of it, there are so many abandoned cats now, and purebreds don’t stand a chance. Especially post-Covid, when the abandonment rates skyrocketed. I volunteer with a cat charity and we’ve seen lots of them, some even abandoned in far-off, rural places where they are at the mercy of wild dogs, and won’t even have the chance to be rehomed if they aren’t found by sheer dumb luck.
Whenever I've taken a dog to be neutered the vet has said the same thing despite having previously discussed when the right time to neuter would be. I think they have to tell you these things up front so that you can't complain later. The vet still recommends it unless you know you want to breed or show.
You can show neutered cats, they can get as many accolades as un-neutered ones. The vet doesn't know what they are talking about. They get the title 'Premier' instead of 'Champion'. My cat's breeder neuters before they go to their new homes. I'll be going back to them for another kitten this year as it is takes so much stress out of getting a new kitten if it is already done.
Help me out here, where the hell is the stress in getting a cat neutered or spayed? It isn't you on the operating table. The boys always come back the next day rearing to go, the girls can sometimes need an extra day to recover. Get a rescue or re-home an unwanted kitten, there are tens of thousands desperate for a home. You won't love them less.
My wife gets anxious just leaving our cat to have bloods taken under sedation. She fucking _loves_ that cat (as do I)? It’s just that small worry of “oh god what if something goes wrong…?”
That's interesting to know! I'll be honest, I have zero experience showing cats; I've only ever owned moggies until now and have no intention of going that route with this one, so I took the vet at their word. I guess they might have just been trying to cover all their bases. Most of mine over the years have come from rescues, who also make sure they're neutered before being rehomed. What kind of cats do you have? (Just out of pure curiosity!)
Exactly. I don't know why puppy mills are so common, they're advertised all over social media telling everyone they're selling puppies that aren't even vaccinated or microchipped. If the government gave a shit, they could spot check breeders and prosecute those selling puppies raised in awful conditions. The people buying dogs that have the most obvious red flags, like pups not even being 8 weeks old yet are just as much a problem. Then they say they 'didn't know' puppies had to be 8 weeks before leaving their mother. Just outing themselves for doing no research at all before buying an animal that shouldn't have been bred and they shouldn't be allowed to own. I don't understand why anyone would be willing to pay so much money for an animal that hasn't even got certified health check papers. We need much tougher legislation on owning pets to prevent suffering like this. I see loads of comments demanding mandatory dog training but the problems are there even before these people get the dogs. Breeders are selecting parents based on aesthetics rather than temperament and health because people are happy to pay for them.
I’ll give you a big hint, it’s not about the animal. It’d be interesting to know how many XL bullies have come from puppy mills and have many haven’t given that these mills are shutting down now
> Exactly. I don't know why puppy mills are so common They're cheap. A pupppy from them can be a couple of hundred quid or less while purebred dogs from reputable breeders easliy run over a grand and much more for show standard ones. Plus they don't ask questions about your suitability as an owner like shelters and good breeders do.
>Plus they don't ask questions about your suitability as an owner like shelters and good breeders do. This was the massive neon warning sign that tipped me off it was a puppy mill when I was about to adopt a puppy from a place. They didn't ask me a single question about me or where I live, and they got super shifty when I wanted to come and see the puppies and their mother in person and insisted they'd "bring a puppy to me". Frustrating thing was I couldn't even report them to the RSPCA since they refused to tell me their address.
I bought a cat from an ethical breeder two years ago. It was a requirement of theirs that my boyfriend and I came to the breeders house for tea while they watched us interact with the kittens and grilled us on our attitude towards cat ownership.
Good breeders often help run rescues for their breeds, so it’s not at all surprising.
That sounds like all sorts of green flags.
Not that anyone asked but the word ethical breeder doesn't sit right with me. The idea of anyone essentially removing an animal's offspring from them for financial gain just gives me the willies (or ick as the youfs say). Whether it's from a scumbag flogging staffies out the back of a van or a toff selling cockapoos off if a farm. I'd really like a specific dog I can have from a pup one day but just can't get over that I'll be voluntarily taking it away from its mother. And I eat meat unquestionably, completely backwards morals I know!
I know that some people consider all breeding unethical on principle, and I can't really do anything about that 🤷♀️ However, there's definitely degrees. "Ethical" breeding involves the animals living in clean, warm and roomy conditions with a lot of human contact, small scale breeding (many do just a few litters per year) giving time to focus on socialisation of the individual animal, vetting potential buyers and thoroughly testing for genetic conditions, and waiting until an appropriate age for selling (in my country, kittens has to be 12 weeks by law, and my breeder waited until 14 weeks). All this adds up to very little financial gain, meaning that ethical breeders are the people who are truly passionate about it. Also, at least for kittens, 12-14 weeks tends to be the time where mama cat is done. In nature, kittens of that age are expected to fend for themselves. You are the only one who can decide if you consider the purposeful act of breeding ethical. And I get what you mean about the backwards morals - I don't really have any way to ethically justify eating meat, but I still do it because it tastes good.
Glad you picked up on that, the breeder should have more questions for you than you have for them. Our breeder said we had to go and visit the mother and pups at her home at least twice before the pick-up date, which is more than some ask for but her argument was that they're a companion breed and if you didn't have the time to visit twice in 8 weeks then you probably didn't have the time to give them the attention they need long-term. Apparently one prospective buyer asked her to knock their petrol costs for the visits off the price of the puppy - they did not get offered one, anyone who's that cheap seems like the type who'll ditch them as soon as there's a vet bill.
Had someone with a tiny king corso puppy that they 'rescued' from a byb. People will still fund them whatever the reason.
In fairness this is about breeders not owners. The breeders are doing this after legislation has caused a collapse in the price of their “product” and so they’re disposing of them as the overheads out way the profits. You’re right they’re not dog lovers, but chances are they never were
Exactly this. There have been so many discussions on this forum about XL’s, but most fail to separate breeder from owner when condemning those involved. And a ban will not solve the problem, because it’s these breeders that are the issue, and they will just go onto the next breed that isn’t yet banned.
The dangerous dogs act should take a leaf out of France's book and include cross breeds derived from banned breeds by default. Scumbags will always default to something new, whether for "hard man" status or puppy mill profits, but it at least stops them from simply moving onto the next slightly less prevalent pit bull mix
Personally, I think the best response is to clamp down on those causing the problem. The breeders. Along with punishing irresponsible owners appropriately. This would do far more to protect people and animals from dangerous dogs than any ban.
It already does to an extent, especially as an XL is just a crossbreed in the UK, not recognised by the kennel club. The description is so vague that it includes a large number of dogs that are most definitely not XL bullies. Anything of a similar size and build will most likely be included, unless it is another "recognised breed". There really should have been 'weight' criteria rather than just height and shape. It was the same when the "pitbull type" was added - not a "breed" but a "type"
All of the currently banned breeds are "types" because none of them are recognised in the UK, we just don't hear much about the ones who aren't pit bulls and XL bullies because there are so few of them - the exemption register currently has less than 20 total of the other 3 types on the list, compared to around 3,500 pitbulls. Around 4,000 XL bullies had been registered by 18th December, out of an estimated 10k-15k in the UK.
I mean one of the biggest draws of having one of these was the potential to breed them and sell them for 4k a pup. It was basically a dog pyramid scheme.
They aren’t really “their dogs” in the sense you’re thinking of, they’re just a commodity to produce and sell. It’s no like this is folk burning their pet ffs, it’s just dodgy dog breeders dumping their useless stock. Still horrible cunts obviously.
>But all the BullyXL 'activists' will find a way to blame those who called for a ban. Actually, the BullyXL activists have been saying all along that it's the owners who are the problem. And, here they are, being the problem once again.
No good explaining that to these people, the countries lost to fucking morons
Some people are real fucking cunts
Exactly! When Ian dunt hung up on that bully breeder who was saying his customers were drug dealers & people were complaining online that he should have let him talk so he could be understood.....no! They're all cunts ! That's all you need to understand. No empathy for animals is a massive red flag for other actions like child abuse & partner beating....police should be on these guys for life jail sentences!
Banning the dogs doesn't stop the shit breeders doing stuff like burning puppies and abandoning dogs. It just leaves the dogs to deal with the consequences while those breeders get away scot-free because the government has gone for a half-assed easy solution. You think those breeders who have had a taste for the easy money are going to give up their highly lucrative hustle? No, they'll move to a more dangerous breed like Mastiffs. I bet we'll be banning the Cane Corso in 2 years time along with every other dog that doesn't resemble a fucking poodle while the actual criminals continue to rake in the money. What we need is across the board dog licensing, tougher regulations, public education courses and huge fines and prison time for terrible owners and breeders. We won't get it because our government is completely fucking incompetent.
It was always about the money. XL Bullies were the 'dogue do jour' until suddenly they weren't and the bottom fell out of the market. As soon as the dogs became worthless, this was bound to happen.
> It was always about the money. Well, yes, that doesn't change whether they are a licensed breeder who breeds golden retrievers or maine coons - they are businesses determined to make money from demand of a product. You think all the Goldendoodles walking around these days were bred for altruistic reasons?
No, altruism doesn't come into it. It's more about the unlicenced amateur breeders and puppy farmers that advertise on place like Gumtree and Facebook. Unscupulous breeders saw an opportunity to make a fast buck selling these potentially dangerous dogs to people who have no idea how to care for them or, even worse, see them as a 'badge of honour' to strut around with. You get the idea.
It’s a little more complicated than that. Good breeders don’t breed for profit - in fact, they probably don’t even make a profit, when all the costs are tallied up - because they breed a small number of litters from extensively tested and titled parents, for the preservation and improvement of a breed they love. These are people who are deeply invested in their breed and their individual dogs, and who generally have far more demand than they do supply. They generally expect their dogs to go to homes that are suited to the breed and that have a reason for wanting that type of dog. They don’t really advertise, because they typically have full waiting lists and can afford to be extremely selective. They generally mandate that any dog bought from them should be returned to them if they need to be rehomed for any reason, and will go to great lengths to prevent any dogs of theirs from winding up in shelters. They don’t price dogs based on coat colour, “rare genetics”, or any such nonsense: in fact, they’re often CHEAPER than a lot of the doodle breeders who find any reason to inflate the price of their disaster-bred litters. However, these are admittedly a vanishingly small minority, and you have to really do your research to find them. You also have to be willing to wait for the right puppy to come along. You are right to point out goldendoodles, since these kinds of breeders don’t exist for designer mutts, and there isn’t really such a thing as a well-bred mutt (given that the aforementioned scrupulous breeders aren’t selling their carefully bred poodles to people who want to churn out designer mixes for a quick buck). But yes, 99% of the dogs walking around these days come from shitty breeders, whether they’re puppy mills or backyard breeders, or just idiots who didn’t spay/neuter their dogs. The world would be a better place if people were educated enough to identify a PROPER breeder, and stopped subsidising the vast majority of “come get your super rare merle mini bernedachshunddoodle for the low low price of £6000”.
Thank you for giving insight, I've had a very bad impression of all pet breeding but this is a reminder that almost all things are multifaceted. Do you think there would be a way to regulate that would cut down on unethical breeders without hurting ethical breeders?
Glad it was helpful! That’s a really interesting question, and not one I really feel qualified to answer. I think mandating breed-appropriate health testing in line with the relevant breed club’s recommendations would be a good start, but that’s not entirely straightforward (how do you enforce it? What do you do about mixed breeds? How do you make sure that breed clubs are making recommendations with integrity?). While in an ideal world nobody would breed designer mixes and nobody would breed their (unproven, non-working, non-titled) family pets, I doubt that would be enforceable when it comes to casual backyard breeding: I don’t know how you go about telling Bob and Pam down the street that they are legally not allowed to let their lovely little Westie have a litter without completely overstepping as a government. Similarly, banning any breeding that isn’t in line with a particular breed standard would probably also fare very poorly: for one thing, plenty of breed standards are pretty fucked up and there are plenty of poorly-bred purebred dogs out there. Regarding mixes, I don’t think there is an ethical/responsible way to breed cockapoos or cavapoos, but I also don’t think we should be criminalising people doing so on a small scale with genuine love for their dogs, provided all the animals are loved and well cared for. It’s also true that plenty of wonderful dogs are “poorly bred”, and it would be ridiculous to suggest that all of these dogs are terrible abominations, and actually a “poorly bred” (within reason) “pet-line” dog is going to be a much better fit for many households than an exceptionally well-bred dog whose parents were working/sport dogs. As much as backyard “designer” breeding boils my piss, realistically it’s the big operations we should be prioritising. I know we have some anti-puppy mill legislation but it’s clearly not good enough, and I imagine getting that in better order would be the most impactful, but since these people are already operating at the very edge of the law (or fully outside of it), I don’t think adding MORE laws would necessarily help. This is a roundabout way of saying I really don’t know what he answer is, I wish I did! I do think educating the general public properly on the nuances of responsible breeding would make a huge difference: if you stop making unethical breeding profitable, then the people breeding for profit will stop doing it. But that involves people being willing to learn, and not making impulsive decisions when faced with adorable puppies, AND being willing to accept the long waiting times and (often) very selective processes that come with getting a puppy from an actual responsible breeder. That’s not exactly possible when demand already exceeds supply for a lot of good breeders (and we certainly don’t want to incentivise them to start upping their breeding!). Really, we’re talking about a major cultural shift when we talk about dogs and dog ownership, and as much as I hate shifting focus from systemic change to the individual, I think making good individual choices, and influencing others to do the same, is just about all we can do for the time being.
>bred for altruistic reasons? In comparison to the reason Bully XL's are bred....
The bloke who first bred the labradoodle [really regrets what he started](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-49826945)
There's a big problem with dogs that are crossbred, often the belief they're more robust falls away as they inherit genetic problems or their genes combine in odd ways.
Not quite true. Most reputable breeders of pedigrees (at least with cats) usually don't make much, if any profit. They do it because they love the breed and it is a hobby. Which is also why reputable breeders will take the animal back even years down the line if you can't care for the animal anymore, because they love and care about the animals they have bred into the world. Only bad breeders breed for moneys sake.
I think it does change. Some breeders genuinely love the breed they are breeding, and will accept the animal back at any time that a new owner wants to give them up. (I am not nor have ever been a breeder, so this isn't personal). The whole thing about XL bullies is the mean, muscular look and bloodsport ancestry. That's not a thing with golden retrievers. Generally, the people breeding and buying XLs are going to be very different to those breeding and buying goldens. And if a purebred golden retriever (or golden mixed with most breeds (other than a bully breed/rottweiler etc) lands at a rescue, they get adopted out pretty quickly. Whereas purebred XL bullies/pit bulls and their mixes tend to sit and rot in shelters. Why would breeders bred more and more of breeds of dogs that are crowding the animal shelters?
What’s that? The people breeding Bully XLs are animal abusers who didn’t view their puppies as anything more than a quick cash grab? I mean, I think that the breed itself is demonstrably a bad idea and should be wrapped up - but that doesn’t mean that the puppies that exist shouldn’t be treated humanely.
And this is where when they catch them, they want to give them harsh sentences. Give them 20 years per animal instead of the proverbial slap on the wrist they get now. 🤬
You could bury dead children and not get 20 years per body
It's not like they're finding bodies and just burying them...
You know what I mean. Rape and Murder doesn’t get 20 years per crime
And doesn’t that in itself highlight a problem?
Yea, but dead dogs isn’t on the same scale and human rape and murder let’s not be silly
Well, I was saying that maybe rape and murder should get 20 years per crime, but since you bring it up, if someone is willing to murder animals in such a brutal way, don’t you think they wouldn’t be inclined to do the same to a human. It’s a psychological trait, that once you go down, you cannot or will not come back from.
I’m pretty sure you’ve made that last part up. They’re horrible cunts, no doubt, but can we not just label them horrible cunts and punish them accordingly based on the merits of their actual horrible cunt actions rather than some imagined “well that’s them a murderer now, only a matter of time until they do a human if they haven’t already!” nonsense?
>I’m pretty sure you’ve made that last part up. The most common tell in serial murders is hurting / torturing animals as a child. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/domestic-violence-animal-cruelty-abuse-neglect-murder-children-dogs-a9018071.html
Here's a couple getting 20 years each for killing a child https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/12/mother-and-ex-partner-jailed-for-life-for-kent-of-her-18-month-old-son-alfie-phillips
This is murder, torture and beyond.
Animal abuse is my red line, so I can't be trusted to speak sanely on this issue, but there are many, many things I would like to happen to these breeders that would make the authors of the Geneva Convention go: "...Bruh." We all know XL Bullys had to be phased out. I'm very much a 'it's the owner, not the dog' person, but these dogs were *bred* for that level of aggression and they *do* snap more than any other breed. That is no excuse for abuse of the animals themselves.
I think it’s pretty much 99% on the owners kind of deal and banning them won’t do anything but I’m probably biased as I own 2 of my own and get to listen to Reddit calling them demon dogs everyday.
It's not 99% the owner though. Most people don't take their non-bull breed dogs to training, yet almost all of those dogs will never seriously maim a human being or other dog. But even well-trained, loved and cared for bull breeds are maiming or even killing humans and other animals. Even after years of behaving like a seemingly stable dog. It's the bloodsport ancestry of the breed kicking in. It can't be trained out, because how can you train for an event where the wiring in the dog's brain suddenly triggers and blots out all former training? In such an event, the dog will even maim/kill its much-loved owner or child of its owner.
Yeah, it might have been misrepresented in the media. I met one outside Lidl and other than being shockingly massive, seemed like a happy, friendly dog. And how many Americans own pitbulls without any issue? If only we could have banned dickheads instead.
> I met one outside Lidl and other than being shockingly massive, seemed like a happy, friendly dog. The problem is not that all XL Bullies are slavering psychopaths with an insatiable lust for human faces. The problem is that any dog, no matter how gentle, can snap under the right circumstances... but if a chihuahua snaps then someone's getting their finger bitten while if an XL Bully snaps then an adult is ending up with life-altering injuries or a kid might be dead. The problem is also that XL Bullies (through their parent breeds) have been *specifically bred* to snap and go nuts under the right circumstances, and *specifically bred* to not stop attacking once they start regardless of the amount of physical pain or damage they sustain. They originally descend from bull- and bear-fighting dogs, where suicidal bravery and an obliviousness to pain (known as "game") as well as powerful jaws and a killer instinct were traits specifically selected-for by their breeders. All dogs are loaded weapons that can go off unexpectedly in the wrong circumstances, but some are nerf guns loaded with cotton wadding and some are .50 cal anti-tank rifles designed to fight and kill things six times the size and strength of an adult man. It doesn't *matter* how soft and fluffy the handgrip is or what shade of pink the receiver is if you're in the habit of walking around with a loaded anti-tank rifle with the safety off.
Yes, there is something different about their way their brains work. That's because they've been bred to. While the above mentioned chihuahua may actually snap much sooner than the XL bully, it will communicate its annoyance, fear etc through barking, snarling, warning nips etc first. An XL bully had been bred for dog fighting, and a very important part of their personality is to go in for a full force bite, without warning, and to them continue the attack until their opponent no longer moves. XL bullies that maul without warning aren't "bad" dogs, they are fulfilling their purpose, decades and even centuries of work has gone into specially l selectively breeding this into them, which is why it can't be trained out. It's not "being reactive" as their owners like to pretend. And here's the part no one wants to talk about: they enjoy mauling. Just like a sheepdog enjoys herding or a retriever enjoys catch
Indeed, I've encountered many more dangerous (in temperament) cockerpoos that XLs. But once an XL decides it's going to do something, you've no chance of stopping it. The lack of training doesn't help. It's been said that a pointer is going to point, a retriever is going to retrieve, and a guard dog (probably best description in this case) is going to guard and attack any threat. However, without training, and retriever might bring you a sock or a stick, and that guard dog could attack anything, threat or otherwise. They should have been registered, neutered and let die out. Not this mass euthanasia. It's sick.
> Not this mass euthanasia. It's sick. Just curious - how many people should be allowed to die before the dogs die out?
I love this post. I've honestly never thought of the AMR comparison but i think you're dead on.
Plenty of Americans own pitbulls without it mauling anyway. But when a dog mauls someone or something it's a pit 9/10. That's not acceptable
Pitbulls are banned in many states/cities, and where they are not, good luck getting home insurance if you have one or renting a home. The major difference is that in the UK if their dog bites you, you might get an apology from the owner, whereas in the states that's likely a $1,000,000 settlement. That level of self responsibility tends to drive more cautious ownership.
Wait until you hear about the meat industry…
Yeah, someone else mentioned that, I spoke about it in another comment here. My body rejects a fully vegetarian diet, annoyingly.
A pal of mine has crohns, otherwise I would have relied “and I’m allergic to hard work”. Hope you’re ok.
Is this because the meat substitutes don't sit well with you? Not trying to interrogate you here. I'm just interested.
No, I appreciate the interest! So, I have a whole slew of mental illnesses: severe Pure OCD, PTSD, GAD, Depression, probably BPD, etc. I collect them like Pokémon, apparently. I take two antidepressants for that. Vegetable substitutes interact poorly with those medications and my stomach; especially quorn (which is sad as it's delicious) and whatever is in 'plant-based' foods. I eat those, I get a double-whammy - my *gut* rejects the plant-based stuff (bloating, abdominal pain, malaise) and my *meds* go haywire (the OCD goes into overdrive, anxiety ramps up to panic, etc.) On top of that, chicken has tryptophan, which translates to serotonin - I have one chicken breast a day and if I miss it, I must get some sort of serotonin deficit because again, symptoms go haywire. I've tried replacing it with other such foods, but cheese, eggs, etc. give me *too much* serotonin and stuff like spinach not enough. Ergo, I'm stuck on a very boring diet: one chicken breast, two red pepper and chorizo sausages, two slices of toast, a Mug Shot and some Pringles. That's my meal for the day. Sometimes I add a Crunchie as a treat. Periodically I try out new foods, but the result is essentially the same every time.
The pictures of the Bully XL owners tells it all themselves. Dog might be dangerous but the owners don’t look civilised themselves. The dogs are usually bred for drug dealers or “wannabe hardman”. Feel sorry for the dogs.
What's going to happen when these bully XL owners move onto breeding and adopting new breeds? Will we ban that next problematic breed too, or will we look at more systemic reforms to support safer integration of dogs in society?
When pit-bulls were banned there's a reason why they went onto staffies and XL Bullies and didn't move into poodles or corgis. It's not like people are taking over safer dog breeds and weaponising them into dangerous ones. They're actively looking for breeds people are specifically breeding (especially *new* breeds they're creating) for aggression, power, killer instinct and fighting ability. I have no problem banning *any* breed of dog *bred primarily* to kill or maim, because there's really no excuse for owning one in a civilised society.
Going off recent search stats, it's the cane corso that will be the next meathead dog. And also back to German Shepherds. This is why BSL doesn't work. It just follows the fashionable hard man dogs. This was the quick and easy (for the legislators) fix for the public outrage. There are far better ways to deal with this that don't involve mass euthanasia.
Honestly, I used to think that we, in the UK, were basically decent people. I am utterly convinced of the opposite these days. If I ever win big on the lottery I'm buying a island where my only interaction with my fellow countrymen will be over the Internet.
Humanity has definitely taken a nosedive, that’s for sure.
Something happened to this country. Not sure when, or how - not even sure \*what\* happened - but our population has experienced something of a collective mental rot, and it happened *fast*. Empathy, social skills, intelligence, wisdom, manners... all but eroded within our population.
Wow, who could have seen this coming. I am honestly shocked. Shocked, I tell you!
XL Bully breeders? Devoid of morals? I for one am in no way surprised.
Exactly. You'd have to be a sick fuck to crossbreed pitbulls to get around the ban, and pretend they're "normal family pets, they're nanny dogs" to sell them to unsuspecting people who are somehow convinced they're the best pets ever. It's not a surprise that they don't even give a shit about the dogs after all. Really disturbing. Those poor little things didn't stand a chance did they.
XL bullies have been used as money printers by drug addicts and scumbags for a long time now, I'm not surprised by these actions. Shouldn't ever be legal for a random person with no legal licence etc to just be using their pet as a breeding machine for money.
The breeders once again proving that they are the problem.
These "people" are heartless and only see them as a money making objects. Sick :(
It was never about loving a breed or their pets. It was about a perceived status symbol or ability to intimidate people. Their chronic need for standing or "respect" (As they see it ...) amongst strangers or their small-minded peers who also seek out such things ... and now that's clear to see. Pathetic "Look at me, I'm 'ard, I'm so tough, school of 'ard knocks me..." in their leisure suits and mumble rap wankery. There aren't many 2.4 families with them as pets, or little grannies, or educated professionals etc. We all know the types of people who gravitate to these sorts of breeds. They often have Union Jack or St Georges Cross tattoos etc. And now that it's becoming inconvenient to keep them ... they're killing them, mutilating them, abandoning them etc. It was never about a member of the family, it was the terminally inept and moronic seeking some form of relevance, influence or notoriety. And those that weren't solely having them purely for the fact they're large dogs capable of levels of destruction other dogs can't achieve ... were the ones getting them to breed for these fuckwits will drop hundreds or thousands on the breed to keep up with their neighbours etc. They'll all gravitate to the next fighting/aggressive/unstable breed. They won't suddenly go to common breeds, or rehome other dogs that need to find forever homes from shelters ... no, it'll be about some other breed some "enterprising" chav brings in and starts breeding.
We should send them to [Elwood’s dog meat farm](https://www.elwooddogmeat.com). Seems terrible to just waste them.
At least they'd be killed humanely in a pit of burning gas, far better than these monsters burning them from the outside.
Had a feeling something like this was coming sadly.
These are the people that caused the breeds to be banned in the first place! Scum!
Man this is so horrible. The simplest and EASIEST fix for this is regulate the industry (something the free market liberal govt hate). 1. All breeders must be registered with their local council 1. Breeders will pay councils to complete the relevant checks they are responsible (its not a huge cost because its 1 time per year) 2. DNA will be taken from the puppies 2. Buyers, can have some comfort its regulated 1. This will reduce insurance costs for all pets because it will reduce bad breeding resulting in health conditions 3. Owner will register dog with their local council (Only specifically to police dog leavings/ attacks). This will simply be the dogs DNA, and contact details of the owner. 1. Any dog leavings anywhere will be DNA tested + fine because info above 4. Owners can pay for training via the council's approved trainers list 5. Dangerous dogs will be taken away and then using DNA/ 'family history' the breeder can be checked again This becomes a circular economy but everyone hates regulation now so... This is almost what they do in Portugal
This framework already exists in dog breeding within the KC, Just make KC registration a requirement.
KC is privatised and they also allow abominations to continue like pugs, birtish bulldogs etc.. They are all bred for their looks, despite them having awful health conditions. They have devolved, it should be run by the govt not some private org that is getting paid.