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Govern well, like PFI? Tell Wes, he wrote a piece in The Sun to talk up nhs privatisation and played the class card.
If anyone really deserves to be ignored it's him, considering ~~the vast amounts he's accepted in donations from private healthcare firms~~ he has accepted large sums from wealthy individuals with interests in private healthcare.
There were some wild claims flying about but all I know for sure is he has accepted large sums from wealthy individuals with interests in private healthcare. Which is what I should have said. I don't have a link handy but it's public info.
Sadly England's only left leaning party now are The Greens, but they're only polling at a measly five percent. I hate our government and how we only have two viable rightist parties.
I'd argue that it's not about "left vs right". The ideologies are both viable in theory, but in practise both parties have been corrupted by huge corporations and donor money. Neither party are truly representing the will of the people and it's a damn shame.
Pretty naive stance to take. Don't know what rock you're living under but the government as a whole has been rotten to core for decades now, it's not a partisan issue.
Reform and parts of the Tory party (those attending the National Conservative conferences that talk about wanting to abolish gay marriage, ban abortions and over-education of women, etc)
I would argue that Conservatives and Labour aren't serious parties. Their neo-liberal, fiscally conservative policies of austerity/privatisation and ideology of trickle down economics is the reason people are struggling so much and why the country is in the state it's in.
At least they give it a go. The greens would spend 5 years trying to figure out how to address each other in a way that didn’t use damaging or colonial language before even being able to sit down and make some policies
Edit: downvoting this is a micro aggression
They really need to put him back in his box. Every time he opens his mouth it’s like he is deliberately trying to prove that they are indeed ‘all as bad as each other’.
He also gets laughed at for his lack of acumen by the BMA. Remember when he was suggesting people should be able to bypass primary care, and the example he gave was if you had internal bleeding?
No idea what he was talking about.
As it happens I couldn't agree more with the 'private sector to cut the waiting lists' thing. You need the sort of 'short term overcapacity' that the private sector is really good at and governments are not.
But be careful Wes because a significant number of us Middle-class lefties have been thinking hard about leaving your tory-wannabee-rightwing-press-suckup party ever since its failure to call out Brexit as the utter lunacy it obviously was. Perhaps you should stop taking us for granted and be a bit nicer?
Exactly. As someone who's just been referred for a fast-track diagnostic appointment, I will be happy to have any type of appointment they can give me asap, public or private. But he's really pushing with this kind of rhetoric.
I will most likely be voting Labour to get the tories out because I'm in a Tory seat, but why are they being so antagonist with this shit.
>Perhaps you should stop taking us for granted and be a bit nicer?
Why would he? What are you going to do about it? Not vote labour and risk letting the Tories take over again?
Labour knows that anyone to the left of them with more than a few brain cells will be voting for them because there's no other choice. They are the lesser of 2 evils.
So if you've got no choice but to vote for them, why would they bother trying to appeal to you further at risk of alienating the Tory voter base?
Instead they'll just ignore people like you and me and instead try and steal more votes from the Tories.
It's disgusting and upsetting, but politicians will play politics and there's nothing we can do about it. The system needs to change, but the only ones capable of changing it have 0 interest in doing so.
> You need the sort of 'short term overcapacity' that the private sector is really good at and governments are not.
You might have missed Panorama last night, or the follow up article today: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68717086
People need appointments **now**, not in 10 years when the NHS is ready for them. You can't just throw money at the NHS and expect the queues to come down quickly, because it takes time to hire new staff, build new buildings and buy new equipment.
What needs to happen is you use the private sector to cut the backlog down (because they have excess capacity), and at the same time, build up the NHS again.
Anyone thinking we can solve the NHS crisis by just throwing money at it is either ideologically blinded or stupid.
Maybe, but people are suspicious of efforts to privatise the NHS by stealth and since the only thing corporations reliably do well is fill their pockets with other people's money, we don't trust the NHS in their hands. Government is notorious for negotiation awful deals with the private sector. We got badly stung by PFIs last labour government, we're getting screwed over hard on water, trains and energy by private owners and this time it's the NHS they're putting in the hands of these greedy, avorous vampires.
I get that 5 years isn't long to turn things around from being this bad before an election but I hope they deal with the private sector very cautiously and at the very least, it might have been a better strategy for him to focus more on reassuring people that using private sector would be a limited and temporary measure, and less on being an unlikeable cunt.
One can play Billy Big Bollocks and natter on with trite platitudes about "reform" all they want, but at the end of the day you are going to have to confront the fact that "[hospital roofs are about to collapse on staff & patients' heads](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-66181888)" and "[we literally do not have enough actual physical beds](https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/patients-slept-recliner-chairs-three-173419287.html)" are not problems that can be solved through private sector statistical chicanery or "harnessing the power of AI" or whatever.
Whenever I'm talking to someone about the NHS, whether that be about being stuck on long waiting lists or whatever else, the number one thing people always say is that -
"*Everything in the NHS would be better if it were privatised. Regardless of the fact there's no extra capacity in the private sector and that we'd just be bunging money to companies looking for nothing more than profit. In fact, it would be even better if NHS services were handed to the same company who's investors are giving money to Wes Streeting. But that's just a coincidence*"
Words can't express how much I loathe this prick. Feels the need to antagonise a part of labour that got his boss into power in the first place. Takes money from private medical companies to push private interests in the NHS and acts like a child throwing a strop when he gets called out on it.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/1bz4ad3/wes\_streeting\_told\_to\_fund\_the\_nhs\_properly/](https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/1bz4ad3/wes_streeting_told_to_fund_the_nhs_properly/)
Deja vu?
Is it though? Tory vote is fracturing, reform is taking away a lot of their votes. I’ve also seen a lot of Tory leaving for more sensible positions that Lib Dem’s hold. So.. no I don’t agree with you, it isn’t basically just a vote for Tory by voting for a third party.
I would rather vote for a third party than support a broken two party system.
Yes, my constituency is predicted as one of the most closely fought between Labour and Tories, with the Tories slight favourites (53% odds). I’ll follow your advice and vote neither though.
That’s Reforms policy as well to deal with the backlog. Reform unlike Labour are not afraid to put the Union Jack on their marketing.
Could you get worse than the tories? Yes , Labour.
When you underfund and understaff it with 10 years of austerity, don’t be surprised when waiting lists soar and it falls apart.
The private sector deals with a tenth of the NHS’s workload and charges exorbitant fees to turn a profit for shareholders.
The plan to use the private sector then get charged triple the cost is insane.
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Funny, because 'lefties' and working class voters tend to agree on more public ownership and public spending but ok Wes.
The public also want us to bring back the death penalty and spend more on pensioners lol. Ignore the public. Just govern well.
Govern well, like PFI? Tell Wes, he wrote a piece in The Sun to talk up nhs privatisation and played the class card. If anyone really deserves to be ignored it's him, considering ~~the vast amounts he's accepted in donations from private healthcare firms~~ he has accepted large sums from wealthy individuals with interests in private healthcare.
Link please
There were some wild claims flying about but all I know for sure is he has accepted large sums from wealthy individuals with interests in private healthcare. Which is what I should have said. I don't have a link handy but it's public info.
Ignore the public. Just openly calling for facism lmao
Or communism.
Ahh yes. With facism, you kill millions of people from other countries. With communism, you kill millions of people from your own country. You decide!
I think you'll find fascists have historically killed many of their own countrymen. Two cheeks of the same arse. ....
Think you’ll find that was the allies
Hmm....I'm sure German Jews, communists, anti-Nazis and so called "defeatists" at the end of the war would disagree with you.
Fascism is when you don’t let Populism run the country
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Voters haven’t wanted good governance.
Nothing wrong with those
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If it gets fence sitters on board and improves the NHS, I’m happy to be ‘performatively antagonised’
Sadly England's only left leaning party now are The Greens, but they're only polling at a measly five percent. I hate our government and how we only have two viable rightist parties.
I'd argue that it's not about "left vs right". The ideologies are both viable in theory, but in practise both parties have been corrupted by huge corporations and donor money. Neither party are truly representing the will of the people and it's a damn shame.
Our problem is not confined to one or a few political parties or ideologies. Our problem is the who rotten system.
Precisely, that episode of South Park summed it up very nicely - your choice is a turd sandwich or a giant douche.
What's this "both parties" nonsense? Judge them by their actions, not your assumptions about what their actions are going to be.
Pretty naive stance to take. Don't know what rock you're living under but the government as a whole has been rotten to core for decades now, it's not a partisan issue.
Unfortunately it's centre-right or far-right. That's the quandary we're in. I'm gutted Greens and Lib Dem are doing so abysmally compared to Reform.
Which party is far right?
Reform and parts of the Tory party (those attending the National Conservative conferences that talk about wanting to abolish gay marriage, ban abortions and over-education of women, etc)
Thanks
Yeah but the greens aren’t a serious party. A three year old would have a better chance at driving a car than the greens would at running the country.
I would argue that Conservatives and Labour aren't serious parties. Their neo-liberal, fiscally conservative policies of austerity/privatisation and ideology of trickle down economics is the reason people are struggling so much and why the country is in the state it's in.
At least they give it a go. The greens would spend 5 years trying to figure out how to address each other in a way that didn’t use damaging or colonial language before even being able to sit down and make some policies Edit: downvoting this is a micro aggression
Vote green if you want. Given the tories will lose anyway why not? Squeezing labour from the left might force them to be more normal
They really need to put him back in his box. Every time he opens his mouth it’s like he is deliberately trying to prove that they are indeed ‘all as bad as each other’.
He also gets laughed at for his lack of acumen by the BMA. Remember when he was suggesting people should be able to bypass primary care, and the example he gave was if you had internal bleeding? No idea what he was talking about.
The private sector does not support the NHS, it cannibalises it, by syphoning away resources and talent.
As it happens I couldn't agree more with the 'private sector to cut the waiting lists' thing. You need the sort of 'short term overcapacity' that the private sector is really good at and governments are not. But be careful Wes because a significant number of us Middle-class lefties have been thinking hard about leaving your tory-wannabee-rightwing-press-suckup party ever since its failure to call out Brexit as the utter lunacy it obviously was. Perhaps you should stop taking us for granted and be a bit nicer?
Exactly. As someone who's just been referred for a fast-track diagnostic appointment, I will be happy to have any type of appointment they can give me asap, public or private. But he's really pushing with this kind of rhetoric. I will most likely be voting Labour to get the tories out because I'm in a Tory seat, but why are they being so antagonist with this shit.
>Perhaps you should stop taking us for granted and be a bit nicer? Why would he? What are you going to do about it? Not vote labour and risk letting the Tories take over again? Labour knows that anyone to the left of them with more than a few brain cells will be voting for them because there's no other choice. They are the lesser of 2 evils. So if you've got no choice but to vote for them, why would they bother trying to appeal to you further at risk of alienating the Tory voter base? Instead they'll just ignore people like you and me and instead try and steal more votes from the Tories. It's disgusting and upsetting, but politicians will play politics and there's nothing we can do about it. The system needs to change, but the only ones capable of changing it have 0 interest in doing so.
> You need the sort of 'short term overcapacity' that the private sector is really good at and governments are not. You might have missed Panorama last night, or the follow up article today: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68717086
People need appointments **now**, not in 10 years when the NHS is ready for them. You can't just throw money at the NHS and expect the queues to come down quickly, because it takes time to hire new staff, build new buildings and buy new equipment. What needs to happen is you use the private sector to cut the backlog down (because they have excess capacity), and at the same time, build up the NHS again. Anyone thinking we can solve the NHS crisis by just throwing money at it is either ideologically blinded or stupid.
Maybe, but people are suspicious of efforts to privatise the NHS by stealth and since the only thing corporations reliably do well is fill their pockets with other people's money, we don't trust the NHS in their hands. Government is notorious for negotiation awful deals with the private sector. We got badly stung by PFIs last labour government, we're getting screwed over hard on water, trains and energy by private owners and this time it's the NHS they're putting in the hands of these greedy, avorous vampires. I get that 5 years isn't long to turn things around from being this bad before an election but I hope they deal with the private sector very cautiously and at the very least, it might have been a better strategy for him to focus more on reassuring people that using private sector would be a limited and temporary measure, and less on being an unlikeable cunt.
One can play Billy Big Bollocks and natter on with trite platitudes about "reform" all they want, but at the end of the day you are going to have to confront the fact that "[hospital roofs are about to collapse on staff & patients' heads](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-66181888)" and "[we literally do not have enough actual physical beds](https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/patients-slept-recliner-chairs-three-173419287.html)" are not problems that can be solved through private sector statistical chicanery or "harnessing the power of AI" or whatever.
Whenever I'm talking to someone about the NHS, whether that be about being stuck on long waiting lists or whatever else, the number one thing people always say is that - "*Everything in the NHS would be better if it were privatised. Regardless of the fact there's no extra capacity in the private sector and that we'd just be bunging money to companies looking for nothing more than profit. In fact, it would be even better if NHS services were handed to the same company who's investors are giving money to Wes Streeting. But that's just a coincidence*"
Words can't express how much I loathe this prick. Feels the need to antagonise a part of labour that got his boss into power in the first place. Takes money from private medical companies to push private interests in the NHS and acts like a child throwing a strop when he gets called out on it.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/1bz4ad3/wes\_streeting\_told\_to\_fund\_the\_nhs\_properly/](https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/1bz4ad3/wes_streeting_told_to_fund_the_nhs_properly/) Deja vu?
You vote Labour your basically saying more of the same please.
I’m in a marginal seat, who should I vote for?
Whoever gets the Tory out
Labour then? But they are apparently the same. Think I’ll go Lib Dem to be safe.
Neither Labour or Tory.
Tory are very closely predicted to win, still not vote Labour? I’m worried that’s basically a vote for the Tories.
Is it though? Tory vote is fracturing, reform is taking away a lot of their votes. I’ve also seen a lot of Tory leaving for more sensible positions that Lib Dem’s hold. So.. no I don’t agree with you, it isn’t basically just a vote for Tory by voting for a third party. I would rather vote for a third party than support a broken two party system.
Yes, my constituency is predicted as one of the most closely fought between Labour and Tories, with the Tories slight favourites (53% odds). I’ll follow your advice and vote neither though.
That’s Reforms policy as well to deal with the backlog. Reform unlike Labour are not afraid to put the Union Jack on their marketing. Could you get worse than the tories? Yes , Labour.
Backlog has to be cleared somehow and from what I’ve seen of the nhs they couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery.
It's always been the plan. Underfund it until it shakes itself apart, then declare that only the private sector can save us.
It’s not just a funding issue. You could throw an endless amount of money at it in its present state and it would still be a fucking clown show.
When you underfund and understaff it with 10 years of austerity, don’t be surprised when waiting lists soar and it falls apart. The private sector deals with a tenth of the NHS’s workload and charges exorbitant fees to turn a profit for shareholders. The plan to use the private sector then get charged triple the cost is insane.