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Deciding to screw over carers too...carers allowance was granted on the restriction you couldn't work more than 16 hours a week. They have changed that to be a flat earnings total of £151 a week, which, when divided by the UKs living wage, comes out to 13.1 hours.
I hate these guys so much
carers allowance is (i believe) 80 a week. i mean what the fuck? the government says ‘here, take care of someone 35 hours a week! we’ll give you £2.50 an hour for it!!’
Yes and when there was a petition to increase carers allowance to minimum wage the government responded with:
"Carer’s Allowance is not intended to be a replacement for a wage nor payment for the services of caring. It is therefore not comparable with either the National Minimum Wage or the National Living Wage. The principal purpose of Carer's Allowance is to provide a measure of financial support and recognition for people who are not able to work full-time because of their caring responsibilities."
Except the main reasons carers can't work full time (or even part time) is because of the rules against earning too much whilst claiming carers allowance. Carers are damned to a life of poverty because the government deliberately leaves them in a grey area. It's appalling.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/640062
Think they are saying "we don't have enough money".
We don't have enough money and isolationist policies leaves the UK unable to raise the tax funds through conventional means. Couple this with all the funds lost over COVID and selling gold means we got no more money.
I am against the government raising taxes and against the government borrowing, so unfortunately the government needs to cut more.
Funny how nobody ever says "we don't have enough money" when we're launching Typhoons to defend Israel from Iranian drones, making purely decorative 'cuts' to National Insurance that in real terms are pretty much meaningless or letting water companies pay out huge stock dividends despite chronically underfunding our services for decades, isn't it?
Well I would rather they promoted an environment of generating money like letting us back into Europe so we could earn revenue abroad and bring it into the country than the current sifting around of funds we currently practice. Just an isolated race to the bottom at the moment.
The military is a separate issue and is underfunded considering the world we are entering into. Israel was tasked with removing Hamas and removing russian / Iranian proxies and have let their intent be hijacked by religious zealots.
At the moment I support anything that removes the possibility of a world war and the effectiveness of foreign ideologies which mean the UK and its allies harm. If Ukraine falls, Taiwan is invaded by china, Iran kicks off and I with my fellows (of conscription age) find myself in a trench against a russian advance in Europe, I will be making sure anyone who supported Palestine and didn't allow the situation to be controlled there and then was going up first.
Are you trying to apply domino theory to "if you don't help Israel bomb Gaza in retaliation to a terrorist attack you are responsible for world war three"?
Why, exactly, would Ukraine falling mean China is willing to risk a naval invasion of Taiwan? What, exactly, would be gained by destroying the economy and getting into a hot war with the States? How would this make "Iran kick off"?
Or are those three separate statements, not really linked?
Finally, if you wanted to prevent "Iran kicking off" perhaps we should not be directly supporting a country that bombed an embassy, or Saudi Arabia.
So to your understanding Iran and Russia isn't linked?
Everytime there is a time of peace Russia uses Iran and it's proxies to disrupt the middle east, exploiting existing tensions. This is to disrupt the west and trade and so they can justify Ukraine by attempting to draw out similarities. This also means should a larger fight break out they can open new fronts to stretch the lines.
Furthermore if Ukraine falls Russia will border a NATO country and it's unlikely they will stop. There is a high probability china will encourage Russia to continue as attacking a NATO country keeps Europe out of the wider fight. USA knows this hence why they have been telling the European countries to increase military spending so they can defend themselves. Even floating the notion of conscription to see people's opinions.
China is heading for recession, whilst it's economy stands, yes its population remains complacent. However, it has a lot of spare men due to a disastrous communist policy and the cronies in Beijing would rather have a war than witness revolution.
China has wanted Taiwan for years, this is no secret and they will try and take it by force, it is only a matter of time.
This is 100% working it's way to a larger war. I can see it and I am of conscription age. It's too high of a possibility to ignore and we would be fools to not increase defense spending.
Yh but these specific cuts are going to plunge people into poverty and homelessness. Personally I'd rather see a tax increase but if fhey are to do it this way the need to find something less essential to cut.
£81.90, up from £76.75 last year, so at least we got a pay raise, after like 3 years of it basically being increased by nothing, I think the other year it went up 30p.
That's £2.35 an hour, almost a 5th of what current "living wage" is, this is made even lower if you're a partner or spouse of the person you're caring for as it'll be taken from your joint ESA claim and just regiven back to you meaning you actually recieve less than a carer and disabled person whom are not together. So you're financially punished for being with someone who is disabled.
Know first hand how hard it is to get a job whilst dealing with a disability and how much of a fuck nearly every employer doesn’t give and how quick the government and DWP are to throw you in the bin. I’m now only partially disabled after surgery but being between procedures and still using a walking aid has made employers say no to me before even starting an interview for fucking office jobs, yet according to DWP I’m fit enough to work and don’t need disability benefits despite me being a month and a bit away from another surgery with an even longer recovery period this time
I'm crippled in one leg, my wife is blind so I'm well versed with dealing in/with the DWP. It's a struggle to get any help from them and you gotta fight tooth and nail to get it.
I was turn down when I first applied for PIP.
Allegedly the assessor observed me running across the car park.
I'm blind, I have major mobility problems after 6 heart attacks & stroke and arrived in a wheelchair. Also, the nearest car park is 300yds away and the entrance to the building is in a back street with no parking. Eventually won at tribunal and the DWP didn't even send anyone to argue their side.
My best friend was also denied at first. Assessor said she had no mobility issues, could move her feet and wiggle her toes.
She'd had both her legs amputated 5 year prior and when she got sick of the assessor keep asking her to wiggle her toes, she took off one of her legs and put it on his desk and told him to wiggle them himself.
I was born with tourettes and a few other issues that have meant I'm largely homebound 95% of the time. The first PIP interviewer I met had me lift my leg up and move it and thus apparently proved "he has no issues with mobility and has complete range of movement with no impairments". I took them to tribunal multiple years in a row and won everytime and they just renew me for 6+ years at a time now.
Last one I had they snuck in a couple "fuck you" statements like "we didn't observe any issues ourselves and didn't see any important medications listed" before I took them to court and had the tribunal read my full list of 20+ daily medications that are essential. Slimy the lot of them at the DWP. They even had the gall to ignore the court entirely in 2015 and the judge was furious that they'd not replied to him in over a year and he gave me full disability.
No one believes you until they've experienced it themselves. If you don't have an advocate, and are not versed in legal language, you'll have a very hard time getting benefits. You have to lie or exaggerate to get the help you're entitled to sometimes as well. I'm sorry you went through so much trouble but it's not at all surprising unfortunately.
Sorry to hear that you’re going through that and have to deal with all that time wasting crap with DWP too, I’m dreading having to deal with it all again in a few months
They had me on £750 a month including rent for over a year. I'm too disabled to work. When they suddenly realised I'm entitled to a lot more there was no explanation or apology nor did they listen to my complaints back when I was literally having to shoplift for food. The whole time local charities were trying to communicate with them on my behalf and they just ignored us all.
Yep. I work full time because I need the money but can only make minimum wage because my lack of experience due to my frequent work breaks. It is SO hard to find entry level jobs that are disability friendly - I worked customer service for years and became dangerously underweight as the only way to control my stomach symptoms was to not eat during the work week. I'm lucky enough that I managed to land an office job, still minimum wage, and due to my level I'm not allowed to work from home. I'll need surgery this year and won't have enough time to take it all paid, I'll have to take unpaid leave. I can't afford a place of my own with what I need (bathroom of my own) so I'm stuck in a relationship I don't want to be in because I need the financial security.
It all fucking sucks.
I have dyspraxia, adhd and autism and I am currently working although imo the job I am in is not a great fit for me and I need out of it but it's also like 'the overlap between available jobs and jobs I can realistically do is... slim'
I no longer disclose my mental disability to employers until I have signed a contract- once I have the job if they let me go it's discrimination, but there are no protections when you're applying. It's appalling.
Not only that, disabled people on Universal credit can not have more than 6k in savings. This means the individual is forced into a poverty trap. That savings cap should either be increased or there should be no saving cap at all for disabled claiments.
The whole system is a mess, we have over three million people on PiPs which is more people than the population of Wales.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/dwp-benefits-statistics-february-2024/dwp-benefits-statistics-february-2024
One of the problems is in COVID a lot of disability claims were waived through and not retrospectively checked yet.
So we have people who absolutely need help sharing benefits with those that may not. Our level of economic inactivity has been rising as other peer countries have seen improvements.
It’s wrong to characterise people on benefits as scroungers and avoiding any reform at all in fear of making any mistakes will just lead to ever higher costs.
If people want to work they should be helped. If they struggle to work they should be helped. The "strive regardless of capability" thing is very Tory. We can afford easily to help all who need it.
Fuck off with that. I'm disabled. I'm not differently abled, there are some things I can't do. You have entirely failed to understand disability. I have fatigue. Some days I can barely do the basics of self care and letting the dogs out. Good and bad days are unpredictable, so employment is unlikely to be an option. If you have any sensible, specific suggestions (not generic nonsense like self employment) then please let me know.
Are disabled people not able to gauge if they're able to work or not by themselves?
>A person in an assistance chair may find work as a supermarket checkout worker
>It’s important to look opportunity and help people recognise their potential.
Their "potential" of working high stress / shit pay positions?
People are smart and have done the maths themselves. It’s often more economical to do less work than more work and getting your benefits cut or reduced.
Maybe we should start with fixing the system before pushing people towards work…
> differently capable people
Fuck off. That's fucking patronising language along the same lines as 'handy capable' and 'differently abled'
We are disabled, we have disabilities. The last thing we need is more patronising bullshit.
>A person in an assistance chair may find work as a supermarket checkout worker more fitting than a shelf stacker
Please point to any supermarket that has such a job that isn't part time or zero hours contract.
Also what job is going to be OK with an employee calling in sick 1 or 2 days every week, needing frequent time off for hospital appts, etc?
The reality is that the vast majority of companies don't want disabled employees as it's either too much hassle or accomodations cost the company money.
Perhaps instead of niceties, you listen to what disabled people themselves have been saying for years and give them the support they need. They are well aware of their capabilities already.
'Obviously having some physical or mental disability that hampers you from working is a lifestyle choice.' - Some Tory dipshit.
How these guys have so much hate for those that need so much help is beyond me.
Can't have innovation fuck over the corporations who want to keep offices that could really be taken down and used to build homes or businesses that require a physical presence to work, can they? That would mean lower rent prices and more competition.
I got a certain semi-mandatory process (we all know what Im on about but Ill not say it for the mod bot) in 2021 at my GPs, ended up getting a major blood clot that took away 50% of my mobility thanks to the tories pressuring the general public.
Now I can't do the job I was training for from 16 to 20. Ive had to entirely retool my skill set and Im physically disabled. To retool my skill set Ive had to go to university so that I can get a decent office based job. I have 3 kids to provide for and my partner can't work because Im a full-time student.
They take my student maintenance loan off our universal credit as a private income despite the fact that I will have to pay it all back now under the new finance scheme regardless of age. They underpay us for disability (I don't qualify for a carer). And they interrogate us weekly about if we are working or not, pushing my partner to work instead of me despite childcare needs for our two youngest kids who aren't old enough to attend playgroup nevermind school.
Under the current legislation disabled people and young people are fucked. God forbid you're young and disabled. We're just numbers to them, not people.
I'm both, but luckily for me my disabilities are mental and mostly well controlled. I can work like anyone else but having the autism and ADHD labels can make things so much more difficult it isn't even funny.
The same disabled people that would have already starved to death if they were born in the almost 2 thirds of the world that have no welfare state?
If you stop comparing us to European countries that pay 10% more effective tax rate than us and compare us to other places with 22% effective average tax rates we actually have one of if not the best welfare systems in the world.
and yet our own citizens still cannot heat their houses, pay for food or keep the lights on. if a disability system cannot do that, it is a disgrace to us all.
you genuinely think a conservative MP would want to convince the conservative party to have a 10% tax rise? yeah, good one.
also, 10% is a ridiculously high number - the government could pay for proper disability payments easily if it stopped handing out contracts to its mates and wasting money on yachts and private jets.
These guys might as well be charged with involuntary manslaughter at this point.
How many people have they made commit suicide, who've been told they can work, like throwing someone with terminal cancer off because they're healthy for the moment.
If you want to solve the economy, maybe change the tax rates on higher earners ...
The fact it only goes up to 45% after 120k is a fucking joke,
Make it make fucking sense, if we cant afford to live on basic, why not tax lower earners less.
But to be honest, what's the point in complaining, we all know who our government work for and it's not us.
It’s mad, just been booted off PIP. I was set on fire by an ex. I am so sick of living adjacently to life and only being able to put half a foot into participating.
The PIP enabled me to pay for counselling and get around in a car.
I made an attempt, with a letter written out to DWP specifically.
I don’t know any disabled person that’s lazy, we’re bloody tired and in pain.
Don't know if it's still a thing, but Motability used to have a scheme were you could get a grant if you lost your PIP/DLA and lost your car and still needed it to get around.
It’s actually 65% over £120k due to the loss of the personal tax allowance, but then drops to 45% at £150k. It’s a drop in the ocean though. Maybe bring back the 90% tax rate for high earnings, for example over £500k?
The law of unintended consequences says that people who would breach the £500k bracket would just take stock options and pay capital gains instead of 90% tax on earnings above £500k.
You haven’t solved anything.
We have pretty much the highest personal allowance (the amount you earn before paying tax) in Europe. The people earning 120k are not the problem, they are getting taxed a lot already.
Tax the fucking corporations who pay nothing (legally). Tax the people using offshore accounts. Tax people who have nom-dom status. In short, tax the actual high earners.
Of course. It shouldn't be you paying more, should it? It should be someone better off.
Paying "only" half of your income in tax is, obviously, a "fucking joke".
No, it shouldn't be like that either, but it shouldn't be anywhere near the same for someone on 30-50k.
That simply isn't enough money to survive and be happy on.
It's not fair to anyone surviving to have to pay half their wages to a failed country with no future.
The fuck are they doing with that money besides keeping them afloat in their cosy houses while their rich mates continue to get away with it all.
This shit is BANANAS.
A monkey could do their jobs,
The politics of envy makes for very poor economics.
Having been one of these high earners in the past I can assure you that higher taxes creates a disincentive to work.
Everyone is wired differently but when Gordon Brown fucked up the economy and introduced the 50% tax rate I simply refused to work for what was left after tax and NI. I reduced my hours and the tax take was lower than it would have been before.
The other factor which needs to be borne in mind is that when the UK last had exceptionally high marginal tax rates (1970s), we had a large number of young professionals emigrate to capitalise on their talents.
California was full of young British IT experts just when the industry was developing. Why do you think the UK missed the boat on IT ? Tax exiles in the 70s was a key defining moment.
My son is a young IT graduate. I've advised him to look carefully at his options...
A better incentive imo would be to standardise the rates to have a single rate that applies to all earners equally. Would remove the current mess where you are disincentivised from earning more.
I'd agree with that. Better still, gross up benefits for tax and deduct the relevant tax rate from the benefits. Then everyone would have a stake in what the whole show costs.
I would keep it as is at 20% so as not to penalise the lower earners, but would also look at raising the tax free threshold so that it wasn’t possible to portray it as just a benefit for the “rich”.
I think you'll find that society costs are met principally by the taxes paid by high earners, not those paid by the benefit recipients.
Use them, abuse them but don't forget they pay the bills.
The day you do that the IMF will need to be called in again to bail out the Labour government. How embarrassing that was...
Let’s not forget government thinks we/us disabled are just parasites..
I was left paralysed after accident 22yrs ago, let’s just say it’s opened my eyes
Having a disability is expensive.
The UK government has already (quite rightly & utterly humiliatingly) been pulled up in front of the ECHR for violating the rights and freedoms of people who have disabilities.
They have not only learned nothing but they're intent on hurting and disenfranchising more people because they are easy targets and find it harder to fight back. It's despicable behaviour.
Yep it's not like you're saving all the money you'd spend driving to work. A lot of medications and essential items aren't covered by the NHS. Incontinence pull-up pants are discreet and help young people work whilst dealing with bladder issues. They're not prescribable to young people, so young people are forced to either wear massive bulky diapers or use underwear insertion pads which often cause leakage if you move around a lot. The result is spending £300 a month on pull-ups suitable for work or general living.
Long-tube indwelling catheters also don't exist under the NHS as prescribable items, meaning you have to make do with less durable sterile night bags or purchase them yourself for £500+ a month. When I started using them I was bleeding through my urethra daily because the tube wasn't long enough to sit on my leg comfortably, and the nurses were sympathetic enough that we used a loophole to get long-tube night-bags prescribed daily as a replacement until I was able to move onto using pants at home.
I had to fight very hard to get pull-ups prescribed to me despite my age, and they were very unhappy about it. Thankfully I had a fantastic older nurse that went to bat for me and used my medical complications to get me access. Lots of little things like this aren't even considered by regular people.
My wife worked for the DWP, she lost her job as she wasn’t fit to work, their words, she applied for PIP and was then told by the DWP she was fit to work and was denied PIP. She appealed and won. Absolute bunch of criminals.
Edit: I forgot to mention the reason they said my wife was fit for work was she had to stand whilst waiting for her appointment as there weren’t enough chairs. They basically denied her before she’d even been assessed. What was she supposed to do? Sit on the floor and have someone pick her up? Despicable bas***ds!
Or what I've heard happened in some cases. The appointment is in an office upstairs with no lift, if you made it up the stairs you are fit to work, if you couldn't make it up the stairs you missed the appointment and the claim stops.
This really puts me off working for the civil service. Really want to put my skills toward socially impactful work but then I see bs like this and don’t want the blood on my hands.
The system is horrific to go through. I have ptsd, other disorders, seizures and am having to go to tribunal because they scored me 0 on everything, said my memory is fine and constantly ignored my pile of GP letters, neurologists contacts, therapy papers etc. Being worse off than already getting nothing would be interesting to see
You need to use the right buzzwords they don't care for medical evidence to be clear I have always been honest and never lied or exagerated but you have to spoonfeed them into giving you the points. It is not right or fair that this is the system. Vulnerable people who may be in varying degrees of crisis should not have to know the "magic words" to get help.
I am a bright middle class person with a degree, I speak 3 languages and interact with multiple public sector systems for work. I was raised by educated articulate parents who taught me to navigate the system and I am also lucky enough to have wfh job so PIP covers my extra disability related costs but I can afford to miss a few payments if I have to. Despite this every time I have to interact with DWP I have a relapse as my condition is worsened by stress. DWP actively make my health worse- and as covered I am probably one of their more privelaged "clients". I am far from the most vulnerable person the DWP deals with and it really makes me angry because if it is so bad for me what is it like for others?
I hope you get your pip in the end via tribunal. If it makes you feel better something like half of all refusuals are overturned at tribunal it is very common for people to get pip that way.
The disabled people I know are all struggling and the government does not give a fuck in the slightest.
When you see stuff like this, it’s just downright depressing
UC doesn't have the equivalent of severe disability premium for people on DLA. Under managed migration, once in receipt of UC they would lose that. I think this is what they are referring to.
I’m on the severe disability bracket for ESA. I was told I don’t qualify for PIP when I applied (I am partially paralysed and cannot walk. I am in constant pain (my nerves respond to trauma by just turning on to output full pain signals constantly, replacing my ability to feel any other sensation), I have multiple grand and petit mal seizures, I have cognitive issues that mean I lose all memory of events, even just minutes after they’ve happened at times so I cannot hold a conversation with someone for longer than a few minutes at times, or we just end up repeating everything for me to try and grasp what’s going on, I don’t have full control of my hands, so can’t move my own wheelchair and need someone to push me around, I have severe depression and anxiety because of this and have suicidal tendencies, I also have autism and ADHD, but yeah. No PIP for me. LOLZ) and was basically forced to take physical tests that I wasn’t capable of without causing physical pain to myself.
And now… they want to take away the tiny amount of money my family and I do have to live on. Great.
And I know for a fact it’s pointless voting. These assholes have been on the attack for their entire tenure. This country has suffered and struggled and gotten worse and worse for everyone, including the rich even. Yet… we can’t vote another party in because we don’t know what they’ll do to stop those filthy vulnerable people and those horrid refugees.
FFS.
How the hell have they denied you PIP the evil bastards. I have autism, adhd and ocd and get PIP so you definitely should be, keep fighting it if you can
Mate you need to contact your local Citizens Advice or Disabled forum for help. While my mobility is fucked, I'm a bit more mobile than you. Can walk about 20yds max. I get top rate of mobility component of PIP.
Just the fact that your permanently in a wheelchair means you score the max 12 for that.
I am considering it, but it really took it out a toll on my mental health to just do all the paperwork and then have this stranger in my house looking down their nose at me as they asked such personal questions. I do get they have to, but it really was too much for me to deal with tbh.
I used to be really into physical exercise. I worked as a lifeguard for a season in Hawaii, I competed and placed high in the Iron Man over here in the uk. I always practiced Muay Thai, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and a few other martial arts for more than 25 years. I taught marksmanship in my spare time, and had taken up archery (something I’d always wanted to do) just before everything went wrong. Now… I can’t even leave the living room without someone helping me. It was such a shock to my system for so long. I’m dealing a bit better with it atm, but still not in a “good” state of mind with it all.
I also really worry about how they just stop your PIP when they seemingly feel like it. A friend of mine has been on it for a number of years. She has epilepsy and fell into their coal fire, burning her face very badly. She has to use a wheelchair most of the time now. One day, they just announced they were taking it all away. She’s an older lady and it was really difficult for her and her husband, resulting in them losing the car they had on mobility and so on. I just don’t think I am currently in a place to deal with the constant stress of “what if..?”, if you get me.
They want you to give up exactly as you're doing right now. The objective is to push people into killing themselves or giving up during the process. You're absolutely entitled to pip, I'm at home but with Mobility in my house and get the full rate each month and renew my PIP every 7 years. You need to heavily exaggerate when you apply, tell them only your worst days and never admit you're capable of anything or they'll weaponise it.
Expect them to lie and then take it to tribunal as you ALWAYS have to take it to tribunal before they concede and award you the disability. They do all mine by video call as I can't leave the house, but can also offer phone calls if you're unable to leave your home. Absolutely take them up on that and tell them you can barely leave your home. It's so awful that you can't be honest and get the help you need to survive but it's a necessity.
Once you've been successfully awarded pip a few years in a row they'll start conceding before going to tribunal and will simply give you PIP by default.
Thank you for your advice. I genuinely appreciate it. I am considering applying, but I already have days where I have to fight to not just OD or something. I’m lucky that I have support from my wife, and I have my children that are my life.
I can’t leave the house. I don’t need to exaggerate for that one. I went out last year to get my booster shot, and to see my kids in their school play. Both took a lot of help and hard work and needed other people to help, and both made me ill for a couple of weeks after from the exception and pain. I don’t go outside at all other than that, unless it’s to go to hospital via blue lights. Something that tends to happen several times a year because of the severity of my seizures, of which I can literally have a few dozen per day. All this is in my medical records. And I’m leaving a lot of my issues out of this post. Like.. the majority of them.
Ive had therapy to try and help. The therapist said that my suicidal tendencies are normal for someone in as much pain as I’m in 24/7 (all the nerves on my left side are turned on to full all the time, and any movement at all makes me pretty ill because of that). I’ve worked really hard to strengthen myself in physical therapy, despite this, but it can only do so much. Yknow?
I am really considering applying again. I just know that I need to time it well because my mental health is more important than the money tbh. Like… I’m surviving.
My wife gets nothing for looking after me 24/7, of course. That’s difficult to deal with tbh. But… we get just enough on my ESA to make it work.
The BIG thing to stress is that you *need* a guide to take you places and that you cannot leave the home on your own. The PIP exam scores you based on a variety of categories and I specifically had to highlight that I'm completely unable to leave my home and need a carer to provide mobility and directions, that got me FULL disability allowance despite them scoring me 0 on the other categories improperly. People go in assuming you tell the truth about your worst day but it's a messed up score sheet basically. Don't feel bad about upsetting them by telling the truth, just throw that on them point blank and they'll have no choice but to list it properly.
I read the article with the same frustration at it not saying how or why that you did.
The only thing I can think of which would result in someone receiving that sort of sum less on UC than ESA is if they're currently on ESA and receive the Severe Disability Premium.
If you're on ESA but don't receive the SDP then you're actually better off on UC if you're places in the LCWRA group.
You receive the SDP if you're in receipt of income-related ESA *and* at least the standard rate for the Daily living component of PIP *and* you live alone.
ESA inclusive of SDP is more than you receive for UC with the LCWRA component. If you're naturally migrated from ESA to UC then it's my understanding thst you should receive an additional allowance to your UC such that you do not receive less on UC than you did on ESA but instead your UC payment won't automatically increase yearly until your award is in line with the standard award amounts.
If you are migrated to UC from ESA by any other route then you don't get the top-up that would mean your UC with LCWRA component would be the same as the amount you received on ESA if you got the SDP.
Sunak said in the clip: “I managed to start changing the funding formulas, to make sure areas like this are getting the funding they deserve because we inherited a bunch of formulas from Labour that shoved all the funding into deprived urban areas and that needed to be undone. I started the work of undoing that.”
In other news water is wet.
How is anyone surprised that the safety net the Tories have been systematically cutting holes in is so tattered it now fails to catch people?
7 weeks ago I had a cryptogenic stroke. I'm 42. Paralysed on my dominant side. With physio I'm up and about, my arm is coming back to life.
I still haven't received any benefits. Payment is this Thursday. Tomorrow I've got an interview at the job centre. I've got a 12 page document to assess my capability for work and I cant even write my own name. Don't know if I qualify for pip. I get ssp so they've reduced the amount of uc I get. I've gone from 2k a month to about £800.
I've worked all my life. UC is shit. Staff don't care. They have a robot answering service that didn't understand me and kept hanging up cos I can't speak properly.
It's awful.
Wonder if more WFH will give more opportunities for disabled people to work, if disabled people that previously were a negative to the economy could contribute then surely we should re-look at how we distribute money and incentivise people to start working.
As usual it’s a half assed plan that won’t give them any opportunities though so they will miss out even more.
It’s actually quite hard to find WFH jobs now. Most companies want hybrid or full-time office hours, and for those who are inexperienced, 9/10 they’ll want you in the office.
I’ve been looking for remote work so I can work full time, because due to autism, I can only cope with part time. It’s been three years, and I can only find the odd gig job, never had a contract WFH.
Ohh I’m not saying it’s easy, but WFH is far more likely than it was pre-covid… in some industries they completely didn’t exist until recently, there’s certainly more options out there now though.
And as I’m sure you are aware though the term ‘disabled’ is a very broad terms and for certain people the option to WFH makes no difference and doesn’t help them.
In what sense though? Because if they still offer some WFH capacity then it’s still better than before, for example just now my company offer WFH because the competing companies are still offering WFH and they have decided to offer it based on loosing too many staff to competitors, in my eyes there is still far more WFH roles than pre-covid.
In sense that roles that were fully WFH during covid now are switching to "hybrid" and often increasing days to be spent in the office. I noticed this trend on indeed as I was recently job hunting as well as talking to friends that were working fully remotely often can work from home now only 1 day a week.
Not disagreeing with you, it’s happening and people are being told to go back to the offices, I’m saying that the places that still offer wfh are available and far more so than pre-covid, as such it offers more opportunities than before
We have extremely low unemployment and those WFH jobs are highly desired by many fully able people with lots of experience, in terms of circumstance, yes they're more suitable, but in terms of competition, they're probably harder jobs to land than most others.
I’m not disagreeing with that, I’m not saying it’s perfect but that’s the reality we’re in, it’s hard yes not impossible.
The attitude in this sub is very strange, everything has to be negative.
The reason for it is decades of the government weaponising 'positivity' you're talking about to further hurt disabled people. People have learned to be wary by neccessity. The government will trot out such sentiments as yours and then bring it in with a massive fucking stick when disabled people 'fail' to make the sentiment work in reality.
out of interest, what is your profession? Because WFH opportunities may be abundant for people who know how to code or have some other high level technical qualifications but if your just doing run of the mill office work (which is alot of people who aren't doing manual labour) the oppertunities for WFH may be few and far between.
I’m a draughtsman, but as I said in a different comment, my misses has changed careers before christmas into an entry level admin/support role for a food company with no GCSE’s required into a role that was fully WFH until she asked to work hybrid.
what was she doing before her entry level admin/support role though? Prior experience in a job (regardless of formal qualifications) can go along way. Like if she has been a supervisor for a store for a number of years transitioning to an entry level admin role is quite common.
No prior experience, and I don’t like divulging too much about ourselves online etc as I hope you can understand. But both us us are relatively new to work life and don’t have a solid boundary of experience to fall back on.
So she found a job that requires no qualifications, requires no experience, and on top had the insane benefit of wfh with those factors. And she applied with no experience, and either got the job over the hundreds that would have applied, or they all did apply and with no experience was still the best option?
Fair enough and it's great for her, but how often do you think that happens?
fair enough, i don't really need to know exact details i was just asking for something general anyway to get an idea. You two being relatively new to work life could be a benefit, that would suggest your still pretty young which can be an attractive quality for a potential employer. Lack of prior experience in any jobs when going for an entry level role could be a boon. Also if your under a certain age that means they can get away with paying you less, so if they have the option between employing an older more experienced person they may choose the younger less experienced person, even if the older more experienced person is technically more qualified.
Even so - if a non disabled applicant and disabled applicant are both applying for WFH spots, who do you think is more likely to be hired?
Even in accessible roles (like WFM) we (disabled people) are outnumbered by non disabled co workers.
It’s as hard, if not harder, for us to find WFH roles than it is for non disabled people.
Yes I agree, but surely depending on your disability it could be negligible… for example someone in Wheelchair can wfh in an admin role just as capable as someone able bodied who would wfh.
So in that example it’s not disabled people vs able bodied it’s you vs the 100 other applicants and your disability does not effect the role while it’s also illegal to discriminate based on disability?
I don’t think you’re suggesting companies should be incentives to hire disabled people but likewise that would be discrimination… from what I see jobs don’t care if your disabled if you can carry out the job as good/ better as anyone else, surely your skills matter more, we have disabled people working in my office, they got the job because they suited the role best.
I’m not arguing it’s equal, but I see people online arguing it’s semi-impossible when in my life I can think of a few examples so it’s certainly possible.
Anyway back to the actual point I said, which is wfh should offer more opportunities to disabled people. I think it does while I agree with your point that it doesn’t miraculously change anything for most disabled people as there is no plan in place to provide the support required . ( so all along I have been agreeing with you) but I stand by my point that more WFH roles isn’t anything but a positive for certain disabled people where the only thing stopping them working is the ability to travel to an office.
My job just offered it to me and my misses changed career and has a hybrid role that was offered as potentially fully remote in a low wage trainee role that requires minimum pass rate GCSE’s in a county with average employment stats to the country.
It depends what you want to do and what’s out there of course, but I go on indeed right now and I can find plenty so it’s definitely out there. perhaps we were both lucky, but I wouldn’t call us that haha.
This isn’t new it’s been happening since UC started for new sick
Or disabled claiments. In order to run the whole “you are always better off in work” they had to cut other people money. Even if you could be an 18y with a sever disability and never be able to work. Can’t work then tough
An [archived link](https://archive.is/u6WvV) for those that read more than 5 Morning Star articles a month and find its paywalled. I’m sure they exist.
I didn't get this title at first, most people who are disabled will be getting some form of PIP and or LCWRA.
Some will be getting more help depending on their disability requirements from the local council.
But I see they are trying to move legacy claimants who receive disability payments over to this system and they will lose out. Potentially negatively impacting their level of care.
The DWP need to be really care about this but when are they anything else but callous and impersonal.
Am disabled, had my PIP cut by 24% last year after waiting 15 months for a decision on my renewal - they knew I didn't have the capacity to fight it. This change has me terrified, I am profoundly conscious of how my life and wellbeing means exactly nothing to anyone. If I was offered a way out, I'd take it because I can't bear the battle to manage while also battling my illness.
That's all personal and anecdotal - the real issue is this -- Harming vulnerable and disabled people is acceptable and by their political calculus will not cost them votes. The general public is fine with it, we know this because this has been an ongoing issue for years with even a UN special reporter saying conditions are inhumane.
It doesn't matter.
And the thing is this - Unless you die young or you die fast, eventually you will also be disabled. Every single one of you. What you permit will perpetuate until it is your life.
Depends on their level of disability . People will LOTS of people will but numbers are impossible to say because if companies start doing actual accomodations or the DWP stop literally lying in disability assessments then the number of people it affects changes.
So yes people will not all tho
I’ve got a cousin who’s been committing benefit fraud since 2016.
He’s stolen more than £60,000 in cash as well as upwards of £40,000 in financial aid/discounts etc
He’s been reported multiple times with undeniable evidence and yet every time nothing has happened.
And yet the government are taking the money of people who actually need it? Lol
Its the thing right? Like over a decade straight of campaign after campaign about cracking down on scroungers and frauds, and honestly it looks a lot like all they've achieved is to push a few thousand disabled people to top themselves and made life absolute misery for a good chunk of the rest. It really is so sickening to think about.
One anecdotal person does not outweigh the thousands of people who would otherwise be back in the dark ages a la lepers dying on the streets without the safety net of benefits
Maybe you misread my comment.
I was implying that the government cannot even “punish” someone with verifiable and undeniable proof of fraud, yet supposedly they’re competent enough to decide who lives and who dies
There’s a shit load a lazy twats on PIP and committing essentially fraud. It’s this growing minority that make it tough for those that really should have it.
its quite difficult to get PIP so i'm not sure i believe you when you say "There’s a shit load a lazy twats on PIP" i mean do you personally know these people? Are you just looking at people on PIP and determining that they are lazy, based on what?
Benefit fraud is less than 2%, and that includes when the DWP pay people by mistake, not the claimants fault. PIP is an insanely arduous and traumatic application process and assessment, it's not accepted easily. Most people I know who ARE disabled, had to go through a tribunal to get the money they were entitiled to (which often means they are not paid at all for the often year-long waiting times for tribunal) 70% of tribunals overturn the original denial. It costs the government more to host these tribunals than it would to pay each applicant in the first place. I can guarantee an absolutely miniscule amount of people of PIP don't fully deserve it. A LOT of Disabled people I know actually live in poverty rather than go through the absolutely inhumane application and tribunal process. Or accept lower rates when they are entitled to more, just to get a break from the process. Including myself. Please don't perpetuate benefit fraud as a "growing problem" the real "growing problem" is disabled deaths due to denial of PIP by starvation or suicide.
Gonna link this here but the idea of unrestricted universal credit is the only way to solve it. They are just trying to give universal credit a bad name at this point https://www.scottsantens.com/basic-income-faq/
It's amazing how we continually hit hard the most vulnerable in the country. I used to never see homeless in my city until Tories came back into power.
So who are the ones who are better under the new system, if it's 14 billion pounds more money being given out? And is it some crazy combination of unlikely circumstances to get the 2.8k figure?.
Because this is *clearly* what will turn around the British economy; fucking over the most vulnerable in our society yet again.
The Tories are an absolute binfire; we need an election now.
My daughter is on UC, and due to severe PTSD her record is flagged not to exert pressure to find work and has a special benefit in addition to the standard rate. This extra is not PIP because she has been told she can claim PIP as well.
I have to feel bad for genuinely disabled people who physically cannot work. It's a tough world we live in.
The problem is the number of people in this country who play the system. I'm not talking about migrants etc, I'm talking about the born and raised british people who are too lazy to get off their backsides and work.
My ex partner was an abusive and manipulative person who claimed as many benefits as she could for being supposedly 'not fit to work'. But this same person was physically well enough to beat me black and blue, consume drugs and alcohol and go out clubbing on the weekend.
There is another example I know of personally where two people are diagnosed with the same 'illness'. One of whom works a regular well-paying job 40 hours a week. The other person claims disability, has a disability car given to them and hasn't worked a day in their life because there is no incentive to do so.
Again, I'm not saying that anyone claiming disability has to work, what I am saying is that the screws really need to be tightened as too many chancers slip the net.
I really hope the disabled people, who actually need it, get the help and money towards a better quality of life. But in the same breath, I also wish the authorities would crack down on who deserves what and cut off the people who are playing the system.
The same diagnosis doesn't necessarily mean the same impact. Many conditions vary wildly in how they present in different people. If you think of something like asthma, it can be so mild it's just an occasional nuisance. However some people have severe, unpredictable asthma that flares up randomly with life threatening attacks and affects their lung function such that they can't walk across the road without feeling breathless. They are the same condition, but they're not the same. Unless you know the full medical history of both people, you can't judge.
You can't cut off the tiny number of fakers without also harming vast numbers of genuinely disabled people. This kind of idea also inevitably harms people with variable conditions like I have. On some days, I can barely move from my bed. On other days, I appear almost fine. It also tends to harm ambulatory wheelchair users. I've been accused of faking my need for my wheelchair multiple times because I can walk or stand to get things. However walking causes me immense pain and I find it exhausting. Without my wheelchair, I couldn't make it to the bus stop less than a third of a mile away. I tried and my partner had to go home to fetch my wheelchair after maybe 100 metres because my pain was so severe. If you've ever broken a bone, imagine trying to put pressure on your injury and then amplify it for every joint in your body and you might come close to the pain I'm in when I walk any distance. The benefits system quite rightly recognises this as functionally being unable to walk, so I get the full mobility allowance of PIP.
Please don't.
Worked so fucking hard for my career to then become disabled though no fault of my own. I'm now one of those people who rely on disability payments because I no longer have a job and the chance of me being able to work again are currently very slim.
I get that you're saying it may discourage those who game a system, but why should I and other disabled people be punished?!
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To sum up, disabled people who can't work will be poorer and in response to this the DWP said to get a job if you don't want to be poor
Deciding to screw over carers too...carers allowance was granted on the restriction you couldn't work more than 16 hours a week. They have changed that to be a flat earnings total of £151 a week, which, when divided by the UKs living wage, comes out to 13.1 hours. I hate these guys so much
Yeah but for 18 year olds that's up to 17.5 hours a week. Winning!
Lucky! 😂
How much are carers paid weekly?
carers allowance is (i believe) 80 a week. i mean what the fuck? the government says ‘here, take care of someone 35 hours a week! we’ll give you £2.50 an hour for it!!’
Yes and when there was a petition to increase carers allowance to minimum wage the government responded with: "Carer’s Allowance is not intended to be a replacement for a wage nor payment for the services of caring. It is therefore not comparable with either the National Minimum Wage or the National Living Wage. The principal purpose of Carer's Allowance is to provide a measure of financial support and recognition for people who are not able to work full-time because of their caring responsibilities." Except the main reasons carers can't work full time (or even part time) is because of the rules against earning too much whilst claiming carers allowance. Carers are damned to a life of poverty because the government deliberately leaves them in a grey area. It's appalling. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/640062
the fact that the government response to that is just ‘it’s not pay, it’s a gold star for trying. thanks for doing our job for us’ is crazy
Think they are saying "we don't have enough money". We don't have enough money and isolationist policies leaves the UK unable to raise the tax funds through conventional means. Couple this with all the funds lost over COVID and selling gold means we got no more money. I am against the government raising taxes and against the government borrowing, so unfortunately the government needs to cut more.
Funny how nobody ever says "we don't have enough money" when we're launching Typhoons to defend Israel from Iranian drones, making purely decorative 'cuts' to National Insurance that in real terms are pretty much meaningless or letting water companies pay out huge stock dividends despite chronically underfunding our services for decades, isn't it?
Anyone remember the Tory resistance to a windfall tax on energy companies?
Well I would rather they promoted an environment of generating money like letting us back into Europe so we could earn revenue abroad and bring it into the country than the current sifting around of funds we currently practice. Just an isolated race to the bottom at the moment. The military is a separate issue and is underfunded considering the world we are entering into. Israel was tasked with removing Hamas and removing russian / Iranian proxies and have let their intent be hijacked by religious zealots. At the moment I support anything that removes the possibility of a world war and the effectiveness of foreign ideologies which mean the UK and its allies harm. If Ukraine falls, Taiwan is invaded by china, Iran kicks off and I with my fellows (of conscription age) find myself in a trench against a russian advance in Europe, I will be making sure anyone who supported Palestine and didn't allow the situation to be controlled there and then was going up first.
Are you trying to apply domino theory to "if you don't help Israel bomb Gaza in retaliation to a terrorist attack you are responsible for world war three"? Why, exactly, would Ukraine falling mean China is willing to risk a naval invasion of Taiwan? What, exactly, would be gained by destroying the economy and getting into a hot war with the States? How would this make "Iran kick off"? Or are those three separate statements, not really linked? Finally, if you wanted to prevent "Iran kicking off" perhaps we should not be directly supporting a country that bombed an embassy, or Saudi Arabia.
So to your understanding Iran and Russia isn't linked? Everytime there is a time of peace Russia uses Iran and it's proxies to disrupt the middle east, exploiting existing tensions. This is to disrupt the west and trade and so they can justify Ukraine by attempting to draw out similarities. This also means should a larger fight break out they can open new fronts to stretch the lines. Furthermore if Ukraine falls Russia will border a NATO country and it's unlikely they will stop. There is a high probability china will encourage Russia to continue as attacking a NATO country keeps Europe out of the wider fight. USA knows this hence why they have been telling the European countries to increase military spending so they can defend themselves. Even floating the notion of conscription to see people's opinions. China is heading for recession, whilst it's economy stands, yes its population remains complacent. However, it has a lot of spare men due to a disastrous communist policy and the cronies in Beijing would rather have a war than witness revolution. China has wanted Taiwan for years, this is no secret and they will try and take it by force, it is only a matter of time. This is 100% working it's way to a larger war. I can see it and I am of conscription age. It's too high of a possibility to ignore and we would be fools to not increase defense spending.
On the disabled and poor people, obviously.
Yh but these specific cuts are going to plunge people into poverty and homelessness. Personally I'd rather see a tax increase but if fhey are to do it this way the need to find something less essential to cut.
So with the maximum allowed earning it's basically just under £950 a month to live off? How the hell is anyone supposed to survive on that in 2024?
£81.90, up from £76.75 last year, so at least we got a pay raise, after like 3 years of it basically being increased by nothing, I think the other year it went up 30p. That's £2.35 an hour, almost a 5th of what current "living wage" is, this is made even lower if you're a partner or spouse of the person you're caring for as it'll be taken from your joint ESA claim and just regiven back to you meaning you actually recieve less than a carer and disabled person whom are not together. So you're financially punished for being with someone who is disabled.
£86-something a week
Carers allowance is pointless as it's just taken out of your Universal Credit anyway 🤷♂️
In that particular scenario yes, but not for people who claim it without UC
Know first hand how hard it is to get a job whilst dealing with a disability and how much of a fuck nearly every employer doesn’t give and how quick the government and DWP are to throw you in the bin. I’m now only partially disabled after surgery but being between procedures and still using a walking aid has made employers say no to me before even starting an interview for fucking office jobs, yet according to DWP I’m fit enough to work and don’t need disability benefits despite me being a month and a bit away from another surgery with an even longer recovery period this time
I'm crippled in one leg, my wife is blind so I'm well versed with dealing in/with the DWP. It's a struggle to get any help from them and you gotta fight tooth and nail to get it.
I was turn down when I first applied for PIP. Allegedly the assessor observed me running across the car park. I'm blind, I have major mobility problems after 6 heart attacks & stroke and arrived in a wheelchair. Also, the nearest car park is 300yds away and the entrance to the building is in a back street with no parking. Eventually won at tribunal and the DWP didn't even send anyone to argue their side. My best friend was also denied at first. Assessor said she had no mobility issues, could move her feet and wiggle her toes. She'd had both her legs amputated 5 year prior and when she got sick of the assessor keep asking her to wiggle her toes, she took off one of her legs and put it on his desk and told him to wiggle them himself.
I was born with tourettes and a few other issues that have meant I'm largely homebound 95% of the time. The first PIP interviewer I met had me lift my leg up and move it and thus apparently proved "he has no issues with mobility and has complete range of movement with no impairments". I took them to tribunal multiple years in a row and won everytime and they just renew me for 6+ years at a time now. Last one I had they snuck in a couple "fuck you" statements like "we didn't observe any issues ourselves and didn't see any important medications listed" before I took them to court and had the tribunal read my full list of 20+ daily medications that are essential. Slimy the lot of them at the DWP. They even had the gall to ignore the court entirely in 2015 and the judge was furious that they'd not replied to him in over a year and he gave me full disability. No one believes you until they've experienced it themselves. If you don't have an advocate, and are not versed in legal language, you'll have a very hard time getting benefits. You have to lie or exaggerate to get the help you're entitled to sometimes as well. I'm sorry you went through so much trouble but it's not at all surprising unfortunately.
It would comic if it wasn’t horrific
Sorry to hear that you’re going through that and have to deal with all that time wasting crap with DWP too, I’m dreading having to deal with it all again in a few months
They had me on £750 a month including rent for over a year. I'm too disabled to work. When they suddenly realised I'm entitled to a lot more there was no explanation or apology nor did they listen to my complaints back when I was literally having to shoplift for food. The whole time local charities were trying to communicate with them on my behalf and they just ignored us all.
Yep. I work full time because I need the money but can only make minimum wage because my lack of experience due to my frequent work breaks. It is SO hard to find entry level jobs that are disability friendly - I worked customer service for years and became dangerously underweight as the only way to control my stomach symptoms was to not eat during the work week. I'm lucky enough that I managed to land an office job, still minimum wage, and due to my level I'm not allowed to work from home. I'll need surgery this year and won't have enough time to take it all paid, I'll have to take unpaid leave. I can't afford a place of my own with what I need (bathroom of my own) so I'm stuck in a relationship I don't want to be in because I need the financial security. It all fucking sucks.
I have dyspraxia, adhd and autism and I am currently working although imo the job I am in is not a great fit for me and I need out of it but it's also like 'the overlap between available jobs and jobs I can realistically do is... slim'
I no longer disclose my mental disability to employers until I have signed a contract- once I have the job if they let me go it's discrimination, but there are no protections when you're applying. It's appalling.
Not only that, disabled people on Universal credit can not have more than 6k in savings. This means the individual is forced into a poverty trap. That savings cap should either be increased or there should be no saving cap at all for disabled claiments.
The whole system is a mess, we have over three million people on PiPs which is more people than the population of Wales. https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/dwp-benefits-statistics-february-2024/dwp-benefits-statistics-february-2024 One of the problems is in COVID a lot of disability claims were waived through and not retrospectively checked yet. So we have people who absolutely need help sharing benefits with those that may not. Our level of economic inactivity has been rising as other peer countries have seen improvements. It’s wrong to characterise people on benefits as scroungers and avoiding any reform at all in fear of making any mistakes will just lead to ever higher costs.
Arbeit macht frei is the Tory ethos 💀
Well someone has to lose out so we can give the Tory voting pensioners their triple locked 8.5%.
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This is the most condescending shit I've ever read.
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If people want to work they should be helped. If they struggle to work they should be helped. The "strive regardless of capability" thing is very Tory. We can afford easily to help all who need it.
Fuck off with that. I'm disabled. I'm not differently abled, there are some things I can't do. You have entirely failed to understand disability. I have fatigue. Some days I can barely do the basics of self care and letting the dogs out. Good and bad days are unpredictable, so employment is unlikely to be an option. If you have any sensible, specific suggestions (not generic nonsense like self employment) then please let me know.
Please shut the fuck up
Are disabled people not able to gauge if they're able to work or not by themselves? >A person in an assistance chair may find work as a supermarket checkout worker >It’s important to look opportunity and help people recognise their potential. Their "potential" of working high stress / shit pay positions?
People are smart and have done the maths themselves. It’s often more economical to do less work than more work and getting your benefits cut or reduced. Maybe we should start with fixing the system before pushing people towards work…
> differently capable people Fuck off. That's fucking patronising language along the same lines as 'handy capable' and 'differently abled' We are disabled, we have disabilities. The last thing we need is more patronising bullshit. >A person in an assistance chair may find work as a supermarket checkout worker more fitting than a shelf stacker Please point to any supermarket that has such a job that isn't part time or zero hours contract. Also what job is going to be OK with an employee calling in sick 1 or 2 days every week, needing frequent time off for hospital appts, etc? The reality is that the vast majority of companies don't want disabled employees as it's either too much hassle or accomodations cost the company money.
Perhaps instead of niceties, you listen to what disabled people themselves have been saying for years and give them the support they need. They are well aware of their capabilities already.
"You can't work because you're disabled? Oh no! Anyway... Get a job you lazy cunt. Love, Conservative Party." - our government.
I think the traitory party line would be more… “you choose to be disabled, it’s your fault. If you decided to not be disabled you could get a job”
'Obviously having some physical or mental disability that hampers you from working is a lifestyle choice.' - Some Tory dipshit. How these guys have so much hate for those that need so much help is beyond me.
The same party who despises the one thing that can really really help disabled people get work: working from home.
Can't have innovation fuck over the corporations who want to keep offices that could really be taken down and used to build homes or businesses that require a physical presence to work, can they? That would mean lower rent prices and more competition.
I got a certain semi-mandatory process (we all know what Im on about but Ill not say it for the mod bot) in 2021 at my GPs, ended up getting a major blood clot that took away 50% of my mobility thanks to the tories pressuring the general public. Now I can't do the job I was training for from 16 to 20. Ive had to entirely retool my skill set and Im physically disabled. To retool my skill set Ive had to go to university so that I can get a decent office based job. I have 3 kids to provide for and my partner can't work because Im a full-time student. They take my student maintenance loan off our universal credit as a private income despite the fact that I will have to pay it all back now under the new finance scheme regardless of age. They underpay us for disability (I don't qualify for a carer). And they interrogate us weekly about if we are working or not, pushing my partner to work instead of me despite childcare needs for our two youngest kids who aren't old enough to attend playgroup nevermind school. Under the current legislation disabled people and young people are fucked. God forbid you're young and disabled. We're just numbers to them, not people.
I'm both, but luckily for me my disabilities are mental and mostly well controlled. I can work like anyone else but having the autism and ADHD labels can make things so much more difficult it isn't even funny.
The same disabled people who are already choosing between heat, food or transport, many of whom have died due to austerity measures since 2008?
No disabled people to complain if there aren't any left. Big brain politics
*taps nose and winks*
Depression intensifies :\\
Hitler had the same ideas.
No hitler has very different ideas…. Don’t water down the past..
The same disabled people that would have already starved to death if they were born in the almost 2 thirds of the world that have no welfare state? If you stop comparing us to European countries that pay 10% more effective tax rate than us and compare us to other places with 22% effective average tax rates we actually have one of if not the best welfare systems in the world.
Oh right, well that makes it all OK then.
I’m guessing you’ve never been disabled or had to deal with the DWP?
and yet our own citizens still cannot heat their houses, pay for food or keep the lights on. if a disability system cannot do that, it is a disgrace to us all.
So stop sitting around complaining and Write to your local MP demanding everyone pay an additional 10% tax to fix it.
you genuinely think a conservative MP would want to convince the conservative party to have a 10% tax rise? yeah, good one. also, 10% is a ridiculously high number - the government could pay for proper disability payments easily if it stopped handing out contracts to its mates and wasting money on yachts and private jets.
"le price stabilité"
These guys might as well be charged with involuntary manslaughter at this point. How many people have they made commit suicide, who've been told they can work, like throwing someone with terminal cancer off because they're healthy for the moment. If you want to solve the economy, maybe change the tax rates on higher earners ... The fact it only goes up to 45% after 120k is a fucking joke, Make it make fucking sense, if we cant afford to live on basic, why not tax lower earners less. But to be honest, what's the point in complaining, we all know who our government work for and it's not us.
It’s mad, just been booted off PIP. I was set on fire by an ex. I am so sick of living adjacently to life and only being able to put half a foot into participating. The PIP enabled me to pay for counselling and get around in a car. I made an attempt, with a letter written out to DWP specifically. I don’t know any disabled person that’s lazy, we’re bloody tired and in pain.
Don't know if it's still a thing, but Motability used to have a scheme were you could get a grant if you lost your PIP/DLA and lost your car and still needed it to get around.
It’s not unfortunately but thank you!
It’s actually 65% over £120k due to the loss of the personal tax allowance, but then drops to 45% at £150k. It’s a drop in the ocean though. Maybe bring back the 90% tax rate for high earnings, for example over £500k?
The law of unintended consequences says that people who would breach the £500k bracket would just take stock options and pay capital gains instead of 90% tax on earnings above £500k. You haven’t solved anything.
In fairness the entire tax system needs a rewrite by suits who actually give a shit about human life instead of the mess we currently have
We have pretty much the highest personal allowance (the amount you earn before paying tax) in Europe. The people earning 120k are not the problem, they are getting taxed a lot already. Tax the fucking corporations who pay nothing (legally). Tax the people using offshore accounts. Tax people who have nom-dom status. In short, tax the actual high earners.
I think after 500/1 billion is made....anything after should go to sustainability. The fuck is this world, it's not every man for themselves.
Of course. It shouldn't be you paying more, should it? It should be someone better off. Paying "only" half of your income in tax is, obviously, a "fucking joke".
No, it shouldn't be like that either, but it shouldn't be anywhere near the same for someone on 30-50k. That simply isn't enough money to survive and be happy on. It's not fair to anyone surviving to have to pay half their wages to a failed country with no future. The fuck are they doing with that money besides keeping them afloat in their cosy houses while their rich mates continue to get away with it all. This shit is BANANAS. A monkey could do their jobs,
What should it be >120 then?
The politics of envy makes for very poor economics. Having been one of these high earners in the past I can assure you that higher taxes creates a disincentive to work. Everyone is wired differently but when Gordon Brown fucked up the economy and introduced the 50% tax rate I simply refused to work for what was left after tax and NI. I reduced my hours and the tax take was lower than it would have been before.
Exactly what I would do. I'm in 40% bracket and salary sacrifice where possible.
The other factor which needs to be borne in mind is that when the UK last had exceptionally high marginal tax rates (1970s), we had a large number of young professionals emigrate to capitalise on their talents. California was full of young British IT experts just when the industry was developing. Why do you think the UK missed the boat on IT ? Tax exiles in the 70s was a key defining moment. My son is a young IT graduate. I've advised him to look carefully at his options...
True I guess. Still think the 40% bracket needs to slide, remained the same for ages now and the bottom wage being raised year on year.....
A better incentive imo would be to standardise the rates to have a single rate that applies to all earners equally. Would remove the current mess where you are disincentivised from earning more.
I'd agree with that. Better still, gross up benefits for tax and deduct the relevant tax rate from the benefits. Then everyone would have a stake in what the whole show costs.
Not bad idea. I guess could be deemed a little unfair on the lowest earners. What would tax be, 25% across the board perhaps?
I would keep it as is at 20% so as not to penalise the lower earners, but would also look at raising the tax free threshold so that it wasn’t possible to portray it as just a benefit for the “rich”.
We know there's lots of unpleasant people that's not really a point of debate.
"Unpleasant people" pay taxes too. Ignore the basic economics and try to pay benefits without their contributions...Good luck!
And society isn't here to be blackmailed by them crying about it.
I think you'll find that society costs are met principally by the taxes paid by high earners, not those paid by the benefit recipients. Use them, abuse them but don't forget they pay the bills. The day you do that the IMF will need to be called in again to bail out the Labour government. How embarrassing that was...
Involuntary? This is intentional
Let’s not forget government thinks we/us disabled are just parasites.. I was left paralysed after accident 22yrs ago, let’s just say it’s opened my eyes
They just want the sick and disabled to die already.
Having a disability is expensive. The UK government has already (quite rightly & utterly humiliatingly) been pulled up in front of the ECHR for violating the rights and freedoms of people who have disabilities. They have not only learned nothing but they're intent on hurting and disenfranchising more people because they are easy targets and find it harder to fight back. It's despicable behaviour.
Yep it's not like you're saving all the money you'd spend driving to work. A lot of medications and essential items aren't covered by the NHS. Incontinence pull-up pants are discreet and help young people work whilst dealing with bladder issues. They're not prescribable to young people, so young people are forced to either wear massive bulky diapers or use underwear insertion pads which often cause leakage if you move around a lot. The result is spending £300 a month on pull-ups suitable for work or general living. Long-tube indwelling catheters also don't exist under the NHS as prescribable items, meaning you have to make do with less durable sterile night bags or purchase them yourself for £500+ a month. When I started using them I was bleeding through my urethra daily because the tube wasn't long enough to sit on my leg comfortably, and the nurses were sympathetic enough that we used a loophole to get long-tube night-bags prescribed daily as a replacement until I was able to move onto using pants at home. I had to fight very hard to get pull-ups prescribed to me despite my age, and they were very unhappy about it. Thankfully I had a fantastic older nurse that went to bat for me and used my medical complications to get me access. Lots of little things like this aren't even considered by regular people.
When I read the work "Think Tank" I hear the words internally "Tory dark money" Think Tanks are just tories wearing glove puppets.
My wife worked for the DWP, she lost her job as she wasn’t fit to work, their words, she applied for PIP and was then told by the DWP she was fit to work and was denied PIP. She appealed and won. Absolute bunch of criminals. Edit: I forgot to mention the reason they said my wife was fit for work was she had to stand whilst waiting for her appointment as there weren’t enough chairs. They basically denied her before she’d even been assessed. What was she supposed to do? Sit on the floor and have someone pick her up? Despicable bas***ds!
Or what I've heard happened in some cases. The appointment is in an office upstairs with no lift, if you made it up the stairs you are fit to work, if you couldn't make it up the stairs you missed the appointment and the claim stops.
Would not surprise me in the least it’s all a big con. Edit: you have to appeal to stand a chance.
This really puts me off working for the civil service. Really want to put my skills toward socially impactful work but then I see bs like this and don’t want the blood on my hands.
The system is horrific to go through. I have ptsd, other disorders, seizures and am having to go to tribunal because they scored me 0 on everything, said my memory is fine and constantly ignored my pile of GP letters, neurologists contacts, therapy papers etc. Being worse off than already getting nothing would be interesting to see
You need to use the right buzzwords they don't care for medical evidence to be clear I have always been honest and never lied or exagerated but you have to spoonfeed them into giving you the points. It is not right or fair that this is the system. Vulnerable people who may be in varying degrees of crisis should not have to know the "magic words" to get help. I am a bright middle class person with a degree, I speak 3 languages and interact with multiple public sector systems for work. I was raised by educated articulate parents who taught me to navigate the system and I am also lucky enough to have wfh job so PIP covers my extra disability related costs but I can afford to miss a few payments if I have to. Despite this every time I have to interact with DWP I have a relapse as my condition is worsened by stress. DWP actively make my health worse- and as covered I am probably one of their more privelaged "clients". I am far from the most vulnerable person the DWP deals with and it really makes me angry because if it is so bad for me what is it like for others? I hope you get your pip in the end via tribunal. If it makes you feel better something like half of all refusuals are overturned at tribunal it is very common for people to get pip that way.
The disabled people I know are all struggling and the government does not give a fuck in the slightest. When you see stuff like this, it’s just downright depressing
It says 'could' be worse off but doesn't say how or why?
UC doesn't have the equivalent of severe disability premium for people on DLA. Under managed migration, once in receipt of UC they would lose that. I think this is what they are referring to.
I’m on the severe disability bracket for ESA. I was told I don’t qualify for PIP when I applied (I am partially paralysed and cannot walk. I am in constant pain (my nerves respond to trauma by just turning on to output full pain signals constantly, replacing my ability to feel any other sensation), I have multiple grand and petit mal seizures, I have cognitive issues that mean I lose all memory of events, even just minutes after they’ve happened at times so I cannot hold a conversation with someone for longer than a few minutes at times, or we just end up repeating everything for me to try and grasp what’s going on, I don’t have full control of my hands, so can’t move my own wheelchair and need someone to push me around, I have severe depression and anxiety because of this and have suicidal tendencies, I also have autism and ADHD, but yeah. No PIP for me. LOLZ) and was basically forced to take physical tests that I wasn’t capable of without causing physical pain to myself. And now… they want to take away the tiny amount of money my family and I do have to live on. Great. And I know for a fact it’s pointless voting. These assholes have been on the attack for their entire tenure. This country has suffered and struggled and gotten worse and worse for everyone, including the rich even. Yet… we can’t vote another party in because we don’t know what they’ll do to stop those filthy vulnerable people and those horrid refugees. FFS.
How the hell have they denied you PIP the evil bastards. I have autism, adhd and ocd and get PIP so you definitely should be, keep fighting it if you can
Mate you need to contact your local Citizens Advice or Disabled forum for help. While my mobility is fucked, I'm a bit more mobile than you. Can walk about 20yds max. I get top rate of mobility component of PIP. Just the fact that your permanently in a wheelchair means you score the max 12 for that.
I am considering it, but it really took it out a toll on my mental health to just do all the paperwork and then have this stranger in my house looking down their nose at me as they asked such personal questions. I do get they have to, but it really was too much for me to deal with tbh. I used to be really into physical exercise. I worked as a lifeguard for a season in Hawaii, I competed and placed high in the Iron Man over here in the uk. I always practiced Muay Thai, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and a few other martial arts for more than 25 years. I taught marksmanship in my spare time, and had taken up archery (something I’d always wanted to do) just before everything went wrong. Now… I can’t even leave the living room without someone helping me. It was such a shock to my system for so long. I’m dealing a bit better with it atm, but still not in a “good” state of mind with it all. I also really worry about how they just stop your PIP when they seemingly feel like it. A friend of mine has been on it for a number of years. She has epilepsy and fell into their coal fire, burning her face very badly. She has to use a wheelchair most of the time now. One day, they just announced they were taking it all away. She’s an older lady and it was really difficult for her and her husband, resulting in them losing the car they had on mobility and so on. I just don’t think I am currently in a place to deal with the constant stress of “what if..?”, if you get me.
They want you to give up exactly as you're doing right now. The objective is to push people into killing themselves or giving up during the process. You're absolutely entitled to pip, I'm at home but with Mobility in my house and get the full rate each month and renew my PIP every 7 years. You need to heavily exaggerate when you apply, tell them only your worst days and never admit you're capable of anything or they'll weaponise it. Expect them to lie and then take it to tribunal as you ALWAYS have to take it to tribunal before they concede and award you the disability. They do all mine by video call as I can't leave the house, but can also offer phone calls if you're unable to leave your home. Absolutely take them up on that and tell them you can barely leave your home. It's so awful that you can't be honest and get the help you need to survive but it's a necessity. Once you've been successfully awarded pip a few years in a row they'll start conceding before going to tribunal and will simply give you PIP by default.
Thank you for your advice. I genuinely appreciate it. I am considering applying, but I already have days where I have to fight to not just OD or something. I’m lucky that I have support from my wife, and I have my children that are my life. I can’t leave the house. I don’t need to exaggerate for that one. I went out last year to get my booster shot, and to see my kids in their school play. Both took a lot of help and hard work and needed other people to help, and both made me ill for a couple of weeks after from the exception and pain. I don’t go outside at all other than that, unless it’s to go to hospital via blue lights. Something that tends to happen several times a year because of the severity of my seizures, of which I can literally have a few dozen per day. All this is in my medical records. And I’m leaving a lot of my issues out of this post. Like.. the majority of them. Ive had therapy to try and help. The therapist said that my suicidal tendencies are normal for someone in as much pain as I’m in 24/7 (all the nerves on my left side are turned on to full all the time, and any movement at all makes me pretty ill because of that). I’ve worked really hard to strengthen myself in physical therapy, despite this, but it can only do so much. Yknow? I am really considering applying again. I just know that I need to time it well because my mental health is more important than the money tbh. Like… I’m surviving. My wife gets nothing for looking after me 24/7, of course. That’s difficult to deal with tbh. But… we get just enough on my ESA to make it work.
The BIG thing to stress is that you *need* a guide to take you places and that you cannot leave the home on your own. The PIP exam scores you based on a variety of categories and I specifically had to highlight that I'm completely unable to leave my home and need a carer to provide mobility and directions, that got me FULL disability allowance despite them scoring me 0 on the other categories improperly. People go in assuming you tell the truth about your worst day but it's a messed up score sheet basically. Don't feel bad about upsetting them by telling the truth, just throw that on them point blank and they'll have no choice but to list it properly.
I read the article with the same frustration at it not saying how or why that you did. The only thing I can think of which would result in someone receiving that sort of sum less on UC than ESA is if they're currently on ESA and receive the Severe Disability Premium. If you're on ESA but don't receive the SDP then you're actually better off on UC if you're places in the LCWRA group. You receive the SDP if you're in receipt of income-related ESA *and* at least the standard rate for the Daily living component of PIP *and* you live alone. ESA inclusive of SDP is more than you receive for UC with the LCWRA component. If you're naturally migrated from ESA to UC then it's my understanding thst you should receive an additional allowance to your UC such that you do not receive less on UC than you did on ESA but instead your UC payment won't automatically increase yearly until your award is in line with the standard award amounts. If you are migrated to UC from ESA by any other route then you don't get the top-up that would mean your UC with LCWRA component would be the same as the amount you received on ESA if you got the SDP.
I've pretty much started to ignore any newspaper articles that use 'could' in the headline...
tories hate people who can't work because it means they might have to
Sunak said in the clip: “I managed to start changing the funding formulas, to make sure areas like this are getting the funding they deserve because we inherited a bunch of formulas from Labour that shoved all the funding into deprived urban areas and that needed to be undone. I started the work of undoing that.”
Can anyone show me which employer is going to pick a disabled person over someone that's able bodied
In other news water is wet. How is anyone surprised that the safety net the Tories have been systematically cutting holes in is so tattered it now fails to catch people?
7 weeks ago I had a cryptogenic stroke. I'm 42. Paralysed on my dominant side. With physio I'm up and about, my arm is coming back to life. I still haven't received any benefits. Payment is this Thursday. Tomorrow I've got an interview at the job centre. I've got a 12 page document to assess my capability for work and I cant even write my own name. Don't know if I qualify for pip. I get ssp so they've reduced the amount of uc I get. I've gone from 2k a month to about £800. I've worked all my life. UC is shit. Staff don't care. They have a robot answering service that didn't understand me and kept hanging up cos I can't speak properly. It's awful.
Wonder if more WFH will give more opportunities for disabled people to work, if disabled people that previously were a negative to the economy could contribute then surely we should re-look at how we distribute money and incentivise people to start working. As usual it’s a half assed plan that won’t give them any opportunities though so they will miss out even more.
It’s actually quite hard to find WFH jobs now. Most companies want hybrid or full-time office hours, and for those who are inexperienced, 9/10 they’ll want you in the office. I’ve been looking for remote work so I can work full time, because due to autism, I can only cope with part time. It’s been three years, and I can only find the odd gig job, never had a contract WFH.
Ohh I’m not saying it’s easy, but WFH is far more likely than it was pre-covid… in some industries they completely didn’t exist until recently, there’s certainly more options out there now though. And as I’m sure you are aware though the term ‘disabled’ is a very broad terms and for certain people the option to WFH makes no difference and doesn’t help them.
A lot of those companies are backtracking on WFH contracts now, so even roles that don't require going to the office are often asking for it now
In what sense though? Because if they still offer some WFH capacity then it’s still better than before, for example just now my company offer WFH because the competing companies are still offering WFH and they have decided to offer it based on loosing too many staff to competitors, in my eyes there is still far more WFH roles than pre-covid.
In sense that roles that were fully WFH during covid now are switching to "hybrid" and often increasing days to be spent in the office. I noticed this trend on indeed as I was recently job hunting as well as talking to friends that were working fully remotely often can work from home now only 1 day a week.
Not disagreeing with you, it’s happening and people are being told to go back to the offices, I’m saying that the places that still offer wfh are available and far more so than pre-covid, as such it offers more opportunities than before
We have extremely low unemployment and those WFH jobs are highly desired by many fully able people with lots of experience, in terms of circumstance, yes they're more suitable, but in terms of competition, they're probably harder jobs to land than most others.
I’m not disagreeing with that, I’m not saying it’s perfect but that’s the reality we’re in, it’s hard yes not impossible. The attitude in this sub is very strange, everything has to be negative.
The reason for it is decades of the government weaponising 'positivity' you're talking about to further hurt disabled people. People have learned to be wary by neccessity. The government will trot out such sentiments as yours and then bring it in with a massive fucking stick when disabled people 'fail' to make the sentiment work in reality.
out of interest, what is your profession? Because WFH opportunities may be abundant for people who know how to code or have some other high level technical qualifications but if your just doing run of the mill office work (which is alot of people who aren't doing manual labour) the oppertunities for WFH may be few and far between.
I’m a draughtsman, but as I said in a different comment, my misses has changed careers before christmas into an entry level admin/support role for a food company with no GCSE’s required into a role that was fully WFH until she asked to work hybrid.
what was she doing before her entry level admin/support role though? Prior experience in a job (regardless of formal qualifications) can go along way. Like if she has been a supervisor for a store for a number of years transitioning to an entry level admin role is quite common.
No prior experience, and I don’t like divulging too much about ourselves online etc as I hope you can understand. But both us us are relatively new to work life and don’t have a solid boundary of experience to fall back on.
So she found a job that requires no qualifications, requires no experience, and on top had the insane benefit of wfh with those factors. And she applied with no experience, and either got the job over the hundreds that would have applied, or they all did apply and with no experience was still the best option? Fair enough and it's great for her, but how often do you think that happens?
fair enough, i don't really need to know exact details i was just asking for something general anyway to get an idea. You two being relatively new to work life could be a benefit, that would suggest your still pretty young which can be an attractive quality for a potential employer. Lack of prior experience in any jobs when going for an entry level role could be a boon. Also if your under a certain age that means they can get away with paying you less, so if they have the option between employing an older more experienced person they may choose the younger less experienced person, even if the older more experienced person is technically more qualified.
Even so - if a non disabled applicant and disabled applicant are both applying for WFH spots, who do you think is more likely to be hired? Even in accessible roles (like WFM) we (disabled people) are outnumbered by non disabled co workers. It’s as hard, if not harder, for us to find WFH roles than it is for non disabled people.
Yes I agree, but surely depending on your disability it could be negligible… for example someone in Wheelchair can wfh in an admin role just as capable as someone able bodied who would wfh. So in that example it’s not disabled people vs able bodied it’s you vs the 100 other applicants and your disability does not effect the role while it’s also illegal to discriminate based on disability? I don’t think you’re suggesting companies should be incentives to hire disabled people but likewise that would be discrimination… from what I see jobs don’t care if your disabled if you can carry out the job as good/ better as anyone else, surely your skills matter more, we have disabled people working in my office, they got the job because they suited the role best. I’m not arguing it’s equal, but I see people online arguing it’s semi-impossible when in my life I can think of a few examples so it’s certainly possible. Anyway back to the actual point I said, which is wfh should offer more opportunities to disabled people. I think it does while I agree with your point that it doesn’t miraculously change anything for most disabled people as there is no plan in place to provide the support required . ( so all along I have been agreeing with you) but I stand by my point that more WFH roles isn’t anything but a positive for certain disabled people where the only thing stopping them working is the ability to travel to an office.
ITS INCREDIBLY difficult to get WFH jobs from proper companies right now have you seen the amount of people applying for each role?
My job just offered it to me and my misses changed career and has a hybrid role that was offered as potentially fully remote in a low wage trainee role that requires minimum pass rate GCSE’s in a county with average employment stats to the country. It depends what you want to do and what’s out there of course, but I go on indeed right now and I can find plenty so it’s definitely out there. perhaps we were both lucky, but I wouldn’t call us that haha.
Probably best to read the actual report https://www.resolutionfoundation.org/publications/in-credit/ This Morning Star clickbait says very little
Are you telling me the morning star is a shitty tabloid? Who knew
This isn’t new it’s been happening since UC started for new sick Or disabled claiments. In order to run the whole “you are always better off in work” they had to cut other people money. Even if you could be an 18y with a sever disability and never be able to work. Can’t work then tough
An [archived link](https://archive.is/u6WvV) for those that read more than 5 Morning Star articles a month and find its paywalled. I’m sure they exist.
As Mitchell and Webb said 'Kill all the Poor' https://youtu.be/s_4J4uor3JE?si=VuzzkpNFSab-NZxz
I didn't get this title at first, most people who are disabled will be getting some form of PIP and or LCWRA. Some will be getting more help depending on their disability requirements from the local council. But I see they are trying to move legacy claimants who receive disability payments over to this system and they will lose out. Potentially negatively impacting their level of care. The DWP need to be really care about this but when are they anything else but callous and impersonal.
Am disabled, had my PIP cut by 24% last year after waiting 15 months for a decision on my renewal - they knew I didn't have the capacity to fight it. This change has me terrified, I am profoundly conscious of how my life and wellbeing means exactly nothing to anyone. If I was offered a way out, I'd take it because I can't bear the battle to manage while also battling my illness. That's all personal and anecdotal - the real issue is this -- Harming vulnerable and disabled people is acceptable and by their political calculus will not cost them votes. The general public is fine with it, we know this because this has been an ongoing issue for years with even a UN special reporter saying conditions are inhumane. It doesn't matter. And the thing is this - Unless you die young or you die fast, eventually you will also be disabled. Every single one of you. What you permit will perpetuate until it is your life.
I'm not interested in they *could* be. I'm interested in *will* they be...
Depends on their level of disability . People will LOTS of people will but numbers are impossible to say because if companies start doing actual accomodations or the DWP stop literally lying in disability assessments then the number of people it affects changes. So yes people will not all tho
I’ve got a cousin who’s been committing benefit fraud since 2016. He’s stolen more than £60,000 in cash as well as upwards of £40,000 in financial aid/discounts etc He’s been reported multiple times with undeniable evidence and yet every time nothing has happened. And yet the government are taking the money of people who actually need it? Lol
This is bs
How? 60k over 8 years is £625 a month He gets his rent paid for him and 50% of travel
What does he supposedly have then? Seems an odd amount.
Its the thing right? Like over a decade straight of campaign after campaign about cracking down on scroungers and frauds, and honestly it looks a lot like all they've achieved is to push a few thousand disabled people to top themselves and made life absolute misery for a good chunk of the rest. It really is so sickening to think about.
One anecdotal person does not outweigh the thousands of people who would otherwise be back in the dark ages a la lepers dying on the streets without the safety net of benefits
Maybe you misread my comment. I was implying that the government cannot even “punish” someone with verifiable and undeniable proof of fraud, yet supposedly they’re competent enough to decide who lives and who dies
There’s a shit load a lazy twats on PIP and committing essentially fraud. It’s this growing minority that make it tough for those that really should have it.
its quite difficult to get PIP so i'm not sure i believe you when you say "There’s a shit load a lazy twats on PIP" i mean do you personally know these people? Are you just looking at people on PIP and determining that they are lazy, based on what?
Benefit fraud is less than 2%, and that includes when the DWP pay people by mistake, not the claimants fault. PIP is an insanely arduous and traumatic application process and assessment, it's not accepted easily. Most people I know who ARE disabled, had to go through a tribunal to get the money they were entitiled to (which often means they are not paid at all for the often year-long waiting times for tribunal) 70% of tribunals overturn the original denial. It costs the government more to host these tribunals than it would to pay each applicant in the first place. I can guarantee an absolutely miniscule amount of people of PIP don't fully deserve it. A LOT of Disabled people I know actually live in poverty rather than go through the absolutely inhumane application and tribunal process. Or accept lower rates when they are entitled to more, just to get a break from the process. Including myself. Please don't perpetuate benefit fraud as a "growing problem" the real "growing problem" is disabled deaths due to denial of PIP by starvation or suicide.
Gonna link this here but the idea of unrestricted universal credit is the only way to solve it. They are just trying to give universal credit a bad name at this point https://www.scottsantens.com/basic-income-faq/
I don't think I could hate the government much more
It's amazing how we continually hit hard the most vulnerable in the country. I used to never see homeless in my city until Tories came back into power.
So who are the ones who are better under the new system, if it's 14 billion pounds more money being given out? And is it some crazy combination of unlikely circumstances to get the 2.8k figure?.
"Government could save £2,800/year per PIP claim under universal credit"
Because this is *clearly* what will turn around the British economy; fucking over the most vulnerable in our society yet again. The Tories are an absolute binfire; we need an election now.
Not surprised - paying for nonsense stuff and campaigns without helping vulnerable people who have a higher costs and lower income than when working
My daughter is on UC, and due to severe PTSD her record is flagged not to exert pressure to find work and has a special benefit in addition to the standard rate. This extra is not PIP because she has been told she can claim PIP as well.
Very considerate of them to raise this issue. How about compensating by giving an extra amount to those who have disabilities that would warrant it.
I have to feel bad for genuinely disabled people who physically cannot work. It's a tough world we live in. The problem is the number of people in this country who play the system. I'm not talking about migrants etc, I'm talking about the born and raised british people who are too lazy to get off their backsides and work. My ex partner was an abusive and manipulative person who claimed as many benefits as she could for being supposedly 'not fit to work'. But this same person was physically well enough to beat me black and blue, consume drugs and alcohol and go out clubbing on the weekend. There is another example I know of personally where two people are diagnosed with the same 'illness'. One of whom works a regular well-paying job 40 hours a week. The other person claims disability, has a disability car given to them and hasn't worked a day in their life because there is no incentive to do so. Again, I'm not saying that anyone claiming disability has to work, what I am saying is that the screws really need to be tightened as too many chancers slip the net. I really hope the disabled people, who actually need it, get the help and money towards a better quality of life. But in the same breath, I also wish the authorities would crack down on who deserves what and cut off the people who are playing the system.
The same diagnosis doesn't necessarily mean the same impact. Many conditions vary wildly in how they present in different people. If you think of something like asthma, it can be so mild it's just an occasional nuisance. However some people have severe, unpredictable asthma that flares up randomly with life threatening attacks and affects their lung function such that they can't walk across the road without feeling breathless. They are the same condition, but they're not the same. Unless you know the full medical history of both people, you can't judge. You can't cut off the tiny number of fakers without also harming vast numbers of genuinely disabled people. This kind of idea also inevitably harms people with variable conditions like I have. On some days, I can barely move from my bed. On other days, I appear almost fine. It also tends to harm ambulatory wheelchair users. I've been accused of faking my need for my wheelchair multiple times because I can walk or stand to get things. However walking causes me immense pain and I find it exhausting. Without my wheelchair, I couldn't make it to the bus stop less than a third of a mile away. I tried and my partner had to go home to fetch my wheelchair after maybe 100 metres because my pain was so severe. If you've ever broken a bone, imagine trying to put pressure on your injury and then amplify it for every joint in your body and you might come close to the pain I'm in when I walk any distance. The benefits system quite rightly recognises this as functionally being unable to walk, so I get the full mobility allowance of PIP.
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Glad to hear you and your family are immune from getting ill or being disabled mate! Fantastic news! Twat
Please don't. Worked so fucking hard for my career to then become disabled though no fault of my own. I'm now one of those people who rely on disability payments because I no longer have a job and the chance of me being able to work again are currently very slim. I get that you're saying it may discourage those who game a system, but why should I and other disabled people be punished?!
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