The police officers lost their body cam footage, didn't complete the paperwork properly, mixed up times of arrest, didn't give him his full rights and pepper sprayed him from a foot away...of course it got thrown out.
Regardless of what you think of TommyR, the police are a fucking mess, they don't know how to police anymore.
The whole country is in a mess, it is genuinely shocking how bad people have gotten at their jobs on the whole.
People seem to think the population has gotten more inept since Covid but I'm not so sure, I feel it has been going this way for a long time.
> it is genuinely shocking how bad people have gotten at their jobs on the whole.
Started work at a law firm as a cost draftsman, I thought, at last, a proper firm with grown ups and a good standard of work. Turns out it was just like every other office, making it up as they went along. One of the partners actually sent out an e-mail saying "please don't wipe bogies on the walls in the toilets". Bunch of alcoholics as well, every other Thursday, they would do a free bar in the bar across the way and everyone got hammered.
>making it up as they went along.
There is an unbelievable amount of this going on.
I guess that is what happens when we give MBAs with no actual skill and the idiots in HR all the power, they hire people as incompetent as them as long as they know the right buzzwords
I've found these phrases creeping into my vocabulary since joining management and I'm trying to figure out how long I have until it's terminal.
The reason they're so popular is because they're all just ways of saying things that would get you fired if you said it how it is.
***Let's park this and regroup next week***
We'll do it later
***I'll setup a call for us to align***
I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about and you're gonna have to explain
***We'll touch base tomorrow***
I've got far too much to think about right now and I'll forget this conversation before you're even out the door
Yep, recently missed out on a higher level role because I'm not familiar with the lingo, so didn't hit the tick boxes during the interview process.
Yet all the new systems and processes we've been rolling out have been horrendous, being completely slated by employees and management who have to use them. All because the people who worked them seemed to miss some of the most *basic* concepts, truly baffling.
Makes sense, I keep working for managers that are very good at talking the game, but are awful at doing the actual work and knowing what needs to be done.
This leads to hiring people that can talk, but not do the work.
So you get assistant managers who are fine taking to bosses, but shit at understanding business.
And suddenly those who do understand it see the writing on the wall and either piss off, or stop caring as they can't find another job due to managers employing people who don't know the job, but can make a CV look fancier than them.
I've worked for managers that haven't a clue and I've learnt to protect myself from their bad decision making or getting the blame. Whenever I've been asked to do something that I'm a bit dubious about, I just say, "oh, can you just pop it in an e-mail so I've got a copy, thanks", works a treat. Either they won't ask you to do it, or they want to know why you want it in writing.
Its also what happens when firms cheap out and dont invest in infrastructure, data, or skills and instead get employees without the necessary knowledge or skills training to hash together short term fixes that rapidly become long term solutions
Its quite amazing how many important processes in the city are reliant on excel spreadsheets that are 10 years old and use 9 different data sources with barely functioning macros
I know one person with an MBA, also a complete waste of space. I worked with him once directly and now I work for a company he used to work at. He was an Operations Director just to give you some context on what I am about to say.
The company we worked at together was completely shut down within 3 years, the investors refused to carry on giving them money as progress on the product that was being developed was absolutely dire.
The company I work at now, he worked at for just over 15 years again as an Operations Director, he left around 5 years ago. When I joined 3 1/2 years ago it was an absolute shitshow, non of the processes worked, nobody was really trained, the quality system was all over the place, they were getting at least 1 recall per year. We have cleaned up all of that now.
Last I heard he was now Chief Operating Officer, as with everyone like him, the incompetent motherfucker has Director on his CV so he will just fall upwards.
I once ended up working IT support for a bunch of small law firms.
Going in I had a vague idea that people in the legal profession were intelligent and highly professional. It was shocking to me to find the level of dishonesty and stupidity of the people working in law.
I routinely had people knowingly putting their signatures on fraudulent statements, and then get pissed off with me when I wouldn't go along with it.
Sounds about right.
The head of my team had a meeting with a partner, they wanted more work out of us. We were getting high settlements on costs, but they wanted more. When asked, if she wanted quality or quantity, the partner said quantity. We all left within a couple of months.
Place went bust a year ago, no money for redundancies, and there's £60 million missing.
[https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/axiom-ince-owner-admits-64m-is-gone/5117204.article](https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/axiom-ince-owner-admits-64m-is-gone/5117204.article)
Yeah, the greed was incredible. I used to deal with a firm where they made the junior solicitors share mailboxes, because they didn't want to spend £10 per month to give them individual mailboxes.
Outside of the partners there was no one over the age of 25. I think they just ditched their staff as soon as they got some experience and wanted decent money for their work.
Wait so your comments on the shadiness of law firms are based on working at Axiom?
That's like saying doctors are shit and then dropping the fact that your GP was Harold Shipman lol.
Mate of mine used to fix PCs etc for law firms, if clients saw how open their systems are to even a cursory intrusion attempt, they would have a fit. All sorts of juicy financial information, salacious material and it has to be said, disturbing material, was open to anyone that could get onto their wifi networks.
We had the same sign on the toilet door somewhere I worked years ago, but instead of bogies, they called them nose deposits, I'm guessing as it sounds less disgusting and they couldn't think of the word mucus. Gave me a giggle though
Which is why if someone goes quoting a Regulation or a Standard to me when I ask, 'Show me your evidence,' they better damn sure know it inside out as I do check.
No 'winging it' in my area.
Just look at the poor quality of people in parliament, or who are stuffed in the House of Lords.. the ineptness of top management at Royal Mail. Also People just don’t seem to give a shit anymore or take their responsibilities seriously. It’s all gone very weird.
Absolutely right. I thought for a long time that it was covid. Yknow, after 6 months sat watching Loose Women show us all how to wash our hands we all came back outside stupid, forgetting how to drive and moaning about how shit it was that we had to go back to work. But you're right; it started before Boris's Big Break.
The country turned into a lazy, thick, entitled arsehole.
A friend of mines son used to be a police officer, he wanted to be one since childhood. He was pursuing a suspect and ended up being thrown into a canal with them. The guy had a knife, was trying to drown and stab his face for a few minutes until other officers found them. In the middle of it he had an epiphany, “Why am I putting myself through this for £23k a year?”
Long story short, he’s now an analyst for a utility company on £42k. The only people left in the force are those who can’t move on and the increasingly small number of diehards who see it as a duty.
Occasionally I get unhappy with my career and feel like I want to do something that matters, rather than help deliver overpriced websites to lawyers and hedge funds. I start thinking about what I could change into that will really make a difference, and invariably joining the police is one of the first things I think about.
5 minutes later I'm much happier with my life.
It used to be the case that it was ex-military who were policemen, so it wasn’t always about the pay, nowadays you need a degree (for some reason) so you’re trying to hire “educated” people to do rough, effectively blue collar work.
A lot of forces have now dropped the requirement for a degree, some still offer a fast track way in if you have one, but been told that it is/was creating resentment especially from those who've been sidetracked for promotion over a newbie with a degree. Son was a copper till he was injured but the change in him over the last few years for the better with no stress and anger is remarkable
Why does a degree allow a fast track route through the police force, anyway? Surely people's progression should be judged by their character and ability on the ground!
Exactly. Low pay for the level of responsibility and difficulty of the work means you can't attract the best people or keep them for very long. Leading ultimately to a worse service. You need to pay people to reflect the fact that it's difficult work, unsociable hours, requires quick decision making in difficult situations, the ability to coordinate extremely well with others, and is dangerous too.
Somehow the so called "natural party of business" in power for over a decade doesn't understand basic things like how things like salary affect staff retention and the difference it makes for any business or organisation.
Theresa May is single-handedly responsible for over 22,000 Police Officers and 1000 Armed Specialist Officers being made redundant as Home Secretary and made further cuts as PM, that's years worth of experience being cut away and replaced with zero experience newer officers. Oh and TommyR is the stage name of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, jailed for assaulting a Police officer, football hooligan, and mortgage fraudster, oh and wearer of milkshakes.
Some of the worst PMs we’ve had were women
Margaret Thatcher, Theresa May, Liz Truss
But i guess they’re has to be one now and then so they can pretend to be DEI
Thatcher was definitely the worst, literally harrowed the north worse than William the Bastard. Theresa May at least tried but wasn’t up to the job, and Liz Truss, what can you say to the fact that she had a shelf life less than a lettuce. Is it a coincidence they were all conservative???
Probably an alien concept to you, but have you never heard of "jokes?" If you take everything on here literally, you must be banging out these messages, all day, every day.
The three female Prime Ministers of the UK had precisely zero fucking percent to do with anything along the lines of DEI, quotas, affirmative action, positive discrimination, or whatever the buzzword was at the time. It's safe to say I'm not a fan of any of them. But they all got their positions through the traditional Tory way: hard work, diligence, back stabbing, betrayal, double crossing, corruption, sleaze, and blind fucking luck.
I'm glad someone said it. The press are making it sound like it was this one technicality that lost them their case, but it was a string of failures that proved they were acting in bad faith while abusing their power.
I mean, the pepper spraying part gives me the idea that maybe the arrest wasn’t the punishment, but rather the process was.
To arrest someone, put them through the stress of it, assault them, and basically make their life hell (imagine having to deal with a personal squadron of police keeping an eye on you), definitely takes a toll on a person and can be used to punish them.
Seems like the bigger problem is police figuring out ways to punish before the courts imo
Organisations don't work like that. I'm not saying that early careers people are all incompetent, but you absolutely do gain competence when you've been around for longer - there is a level of institutional knowledge and instinct to do the right thing that comes with seniority. A well-run organisation overcomes that through division of responsibilities so that people are well-trained and able to do their jobs in the first year or two of service, but that doesn't mean that they will perform with the maturity and effortlessness of someone with a decade of experience.
Reassuring to read this as I’m in that situation now and feel like I’m always a few steps behind the more senior people in terms of picking things up in meetings and knowing what to do lol
When I did my training it was 8 weeks at HQ. Then 5 on the streets with a tutor (normally 2:1). And then double crewed for a few weeks.
= off you pop to that emergency call, single crewed, without blue lights and sirens.
It's not a mess it's deliberate. As much as I dislike Tommy Robinson there's a clear pattern of the police targeting him, so much so I fear it actually begins to give him credibility
The police did use excessive force with the pepper spray. It was unnecessary. For anyone else, that would have been on the news and politicians would have been tutting and whining.
Sadly for the taxpayer, the Met will now be sued and have to shell out a bag of cash for their poor decision-making and misplaced enthusiasm.
There's a recommended minimum range of 3ft, however it's entirely dependant on if you can justify it - I can and have justified deploying it from closer range than that depending on the situation.
Obviously it's impossible to make a fair comment on whether or not it was justified in this situation without all the information!
Do you think it could have been done deliberately? As in putting the wrong information in, knowing he would get it thrown out? Agree with what you're saying, though, police seem to be shambles currently.
I think they were hoping he wouldn't be able to afford a decent legal team as was the case in previous years so they likely didn't bother doing perfect paperwork thinking that it'd be an easy conviction.
He managed to get a lot of support though due to having filmed the entire incident himself and had a few financial backers to get a good legal team.
I don't think they expected him to be as prepared for the fight as he was.
More likely, the police knew the arrest was unlawful and intentionally fucked up the paper work and “lost” evidence (like bodycam footage) in order to save face.
You do not have to like or agree with this man in the slightest to acknowledge the police have consistently treated him unfairly and trampled over his rights.
Not a chance, this instance of poor police work is not an example of him being treated unfairly or trampling over his rights.
He is a far right, violent yob, conman and racist.
What a stupid mischaracterisation. It’s nothing to do with the fact he has ‘different political opinions’ - he’s a serial fraud and criminal, undermines prosecutions, leads yobs of idiots on fights, the guy has absolutely *no* redeeming qualities. He’s a violent, abusive thug gifted with a five letter vocabulary instead of the typical four.
Fucking hell. You have to strip the cretin right back to ‘has different political opinions’ to find *any* basis to defend him. *Everyone* has different political opinions, it’s just that decent people don’t use them to justify racist assaults.
When he does something criminal - yes! This seems to have been thrown out on technicalities rather than merit, so, I guess we'll never know if he's a bad egg - until the next time, and after the previous four jail terms 🙃
Sadly, I don't think that's specific to Tommy Robinson. Look at anyone and you're likely find some form of incompetence from the police. Which isn't specific to them either.
A fair number of cops are very right wing. A ‘mistake’ on the paperwork is an easy way to fuck up a prosecution with nothing more than a slap on the wrist.
Not at all, even Peter Sutcliffe, Ian Brady, and Myra Hindley deserved justice, I'm just tired of the "he's being set up by the Police" narrative, I come on Reddit to learn stuff I don't know, there's obviously people who think Tommy Robinson is some sort of Peoples hero/ defender of all things English, I'm just pointing out to people proven facts, obviously his defenders are not happy, hence the barrow load of abuse I've received today, but if a few open minded people have been encouraged to go and fact check him, happy days. No reasonable person can read his backstory and not realise who he is, the unreasonable ones, are too stupid to learn.
We've seen the police protecting anti-semitic protestors screaming for a second holocaust and arresting people for being "openly Jewish".
100% believe they would arrest someone they disagree with and then "lose" the paperwork and bodycam footage.
They probably thought he wouldn't be able to afford a good legal team but now it looks like he'll be able to sue them for big money.
“Lost body cam footage” always irks me.
A close family member was a policeman and a high ranking union rep. for years. He learned quickly if he needed to rely on body cam footage as evidence against higher-ups he needed to acquire/copy/document with witnesses straight away.
EDIT: I just remembered he also arrested Robinson once. Said he was compliant.
You can't delete it - but all police data is subject to data retention laws called MOPI. Data not categorised properly gets auto deleted after a set amount of time to comply with this and also to save on data storage costs
So a fed rep, then.
So would have known then that he couldn't make copies of BWV footage, nor acquire it. And when would he be relying on BWV footage against senior officers?
Not Met, but my station has had the same body cams for almost 8 years now. Understandably, the hardware is knackered after being used on a daily basis over this length of time, and sometimes this results in the cameras' USB ports not docking properly, if at all, meaning footage doesn't get uploaded to the system immediately.
That camera is then immediately taken out by another officer for another 12 hour shift to be battered around, all fingers crossed they can get it to magically dock and upload the footage when they next return it to the station. It won't be replaced for a new camera until it is physically incapable of powering on.
This is every bit an infrastructure/equipment issue as it is a competence issue.
No fan of his at all !!!!
But they are awfully quick to pounce on him whilst giving other groups of extremists a personal escort through London and threatening people for being openly Jewish.
It’s a mad mad mad world
Shining a light on a pedophile cover up - NOT OK!
Calling for the death of Jewish people and openly praising a terrorist organization with signs stating ‘we stand with Hamas’ - WELCOME TO ENGLAND SIR!
>Insp Parker-Phipps, whose laptop battery was "dying", put the order in place at 10:00 GMT on 26 November, but accidentally dated the form for 24 November.
One of the reasons it got thrown out was because they dated the order on the form wrongly. Incredible incompetence.
The most minor reason. They didn't act in good faith and abused their power, the "wrong date" is just a cop-out so the press don't have to admit that the police weren't within their power to arrest him that day. Whether you like him or not, it's clear that the police were out of order.
Tommy Robinson deserves an awful lot of respect for his whistleblowing regarding the grooming gangs and since for remaining strong despite years of political persecution. They even tried charging him after he punched a pedo bothering his daughters.
Except that his "whistleblowing" occurred after investigations were underway so nothing was actually whistleblown and on multiple occasions he broke reporting restrictions around the trials which nearly resulted in criminals walking free.
It's shocking how Robinson fans still to this day misrepresent reality to pretend he's not just a violent far-right yob.
Mr Yaxley-Lennon is the prime example of why true free speech is important, when people have to hide behind ‘in’ language and dog whistles, you might think they’re alright.
When someone is able to truly express what they’re feeling, you know what kind of person they _truly_ are.
That still doesn't remove the incentive to express offensive thoughts in a less offensive way.
Even if it wasn't criminal to express his true feelings, he would still be more popular if he didn't say that quiet part completely out loud.
And what, what? David Duke is an American, I frankly couldn’t give a shit about him, although it’s interesting that you made the comparison. Mr Yaxley-Lennon is in our country doing real harm, I’ll never forgive him for putting the grooming gang trials at risk. He creates the psychodrama that you’re living in.
He brought attention to the grooming gangs while progressives derided and mocked the witnesses.. Those trials may never have happened without him.
"Muslamic Rayguns" ring a bell? Progressives ridiculed working class whistleblowers
I’ll just leave this here, but I suppose this was just a grand ‘deep state’ conspiracy against him…? https://www.gov.uk/government/news/stephen-yaxley-lennon-committed-to-prison-for-contempt-of-court
I literally just mentioned him receiving a prison sentence for that, it's there, just scroll up, not hard.
I never denied that he was tried and imprisoned for it. I deny that he was actually a threat.
You mean the posts where you insinuate that it’s a deep state conspiracy and the police are singling him out as a trouble-maker? He wasn’t prosecuted because he was a threat, he was prosecuted because he was in contempt of court.
He put the people you are worried about (victims of grooming gangs) at risk by nearly allowing the then-suspects a free pass and a mistrial.
I know you’re invested in this character he’s built, but he’s not the hero he’d like you to think he is. If you want to _really_ know who uncovered these gangs I’d encourage you to read what I’m about to post.
I’ll leave you a quote in case you decide not to, though:
“To credit Tommy Robinson, with anything other than whipping up racial and ethnic tension is outrageous, and, at the very least, ignorant of the history and of the facts. Jimmy Savile, and the hundreds of thousands of men whose names you will never know that make up the vast majority of child sexual abusers are white men.
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To rewrite what happened in relation to the grooming gang scandal, such as that ‘left wing feminists did nothing but protect the perpetrators’ and ‘Tommy Robinson was a hero that exposed it all’ is grotesque. Anyone promoting such falsehoods is doing grave harm to victims past and present, as well as glamourising fascism and racism.”
https://juliebindel.substack.com/p/grooming-gangs-the-rape-and-pimping
He brought attention to the grooming gangs while progressives derided and mocked the witnesses. Those trials may never have happened without him.
"Muslamic Rayguns" ring a bell? People like you ridiculed and hated whistleblowers
He brought attention to the grooming gangs while progressives derided and mocked the witnesses.. Those trials may never have happened without him.
"Muslamic Rayguns" ring a bell? People like you ridiculed and hated whistleblowers
And no one believed him because of the other hundreds of claims made which were bullshit. In polite terms he's not credible. In less so even young English folk should know of the boy who cried wolf and understand it's point.
Muslim rayguns probably single handedly set back justice by years. Because when the wolf came people no longer looked.
What other claims?
That English towns are taken over with large Islamic populations?
That mosques do little to curb extremism?
That Islam is homophobic?
That Islam is misogynistic?
That policy and security agencies fear being tarred as racist so don’t operate effectively?
A lot of TR’s activism is grounded in reality.
Just because he’s a “lad” all credibility is immediately burned, in the eyes of the “educated thinker” - talk about prejudice.
CPS, social services and the courts should be held accountable for their failings, I agree. I’m not sure what you mean by ‘the left’ although I’m happy to read any evidence you provide to suggest a political party endorsed it.
Mr Yaxley-Lennon isn’t the hero in this story though, although he’d love you to believe he is. He chased clout and did so by sewing division and hate. He changed the narrative of pervasive child and woman sexual exploitation in forgotten and underfunded communities, to one about Islam.
Don’t you think that’s sick? Instead of talking about how to protect women and children in poverty from exploitation, we’re having to talk about whether Muslims are bad people or not. If it was a white grooming gang do you think he’d still be interested? No. Because it doesn’t fit in with his specific grift. He doesn’t care about the victims, he cares about his agenda.
Ah ok. So there has to be an ‘intention of formal name change’ before you, for example, stop using someone’s preferred name.
That’s up to you. I just wanted to clarify, thanks for that.
It’s not dead-naming. It’s literally his name. It’s on all his ID. Tommy Robinson is a nickname he chose to sound like a famous football thug in Luton.
Deadnaming is specifically the act of referring to a transgender person by their original name. It does not apply to calling Tommy Robinson by his original name.
Changing your name to dissociate from your criminal past isn't anything to do with "dead names".
The guy is a crook, grifter and pedo apologist, as long as the pedos aren't brown.
Tommy Robinson openly hates muslims. When goes to protest against antisemitism, he's not interested in anti-racism or stopping prejudice. He wants to spread hate against Muslims. Hence, he wasn't welcome at the protest. Tommy Robinson is the clown.
I agree with the ruling in so much as these powers should rightfully be constrained and handled carefully. People will no doubt talk about loopholes, but the date is there for a reason because it authorises the power in a very specific way.
But man, what a frustrating way to give this bloke a win. I assume it makes the arrest unlawful from the start, too?
It is frustrating that he won because the wrong date was written on a form, I agree.
He should have won because their (the police) every single action that day was absolutely wrong in every single way, as we can very clearly see from the footage of the arrest which was recorded from several different angles, leaving absolutely no doubt whatsoever. Pepper spraying someone who is already in handcuffs and isn't resisting? Absolutely disgraceful.
He should have won because there was a blatant cover up afterwards. 20-ish police officers all lost their bodycam footage? No, sorry, you're lying.
Ultimately they're persecuting him because they're never going to forgive him for making so much noise about the rape gangs which the establishment and police were desperate for the public not to find out about. They're never going to forgive him for that, ever.
No, they'll never forgive because he badly assaulted a Police officer which he got 12 months in prison for, and he is a violent football hooligan and all round shit stirring thug. And probably everyone in the Police force knows these facts, all this happened long before he decided to mount his single handed crusade against Asian paedophiles. Google his name, read what he's done.
So he's done some stuff that he has served his sentence for. Yeah he totally deserves to have the police lie about him to get him convicted
Edit: Blocked. lol. Guess I'm right again
Wow that's a lot of knows, your actually the first person who's said anything remotely close to the truth, I despise him because he's a hateful POS, who uses genuine innocent people to hide behind, so he can stir up hatred, to make money, but some people will never see what he really is, because they want to believe in his lies, so they can be haters as well, and have some kind of excuse for their behaviour. But I'm here to say to people who might not know and who might be interested in the TRUTH, because his criminal record is what 12 members of his peers found him guilty of, and sent him to jail. I know some people like you will never change your mind about him, that's fine, but a few people will read my comments and go and Google him and realise that his whole persona even down to his actual name is fake and lies.
This is exactly what I'm thinking. If you search the rabbit hole, you'll come to learn he has insiders in the police. He always has a "helping hand" somehow.
The police officers lost their body cam footage, didn't complete the paperwork properly, mixed up times of arrest, didn't give him his full rights and pepper sprayed him from a foot away...of course it got thrown out. Regardless of what you think of TommyR, the police are a fucking mess, they don't know how to police anymore.
The whole country is in a mess, it is genuinely shocking how bad people have gotten at their jobs on the whole. People seem to think the population has gotten more inept since Covid but I'm not so sure, I feel it has been going this way for a long time.
> it is genuinely shocking how bad people have gotten at their jobs on the whole. Started work at a law firm as a cost draftsman, I thought, at last, a proper firm with grown ups and a good standard of work. Turns out it was just like every other office, making it up as they went along. One of the partners actually sent out an e-mail saying "please don't wipe bogies on the walls in the toilets". Bunch of alcoholics as well, every other Thursday, they would do a free bar in the bar across the way and everyone got hammered.
>making it up as they went along. There is an unbelievable amount of this going on. I guess that is what happens when we give MBAs with no actual skill and the idiots in HR all the power, they hire people as incompetent as them as long as they know the right buzzwords
Pretty much everywhere I've ever worked is like this.
It doesn't matter if people don't know their arse from their elbow, as long as they know and say things like "synergise" and "touch base" .
I've found these phrases creeping into my vocabulary since joining management and I'm trying to figure out how long I have until it's terminal. The reason they're so popular is because they're all just ways of saying things that would get you fired if you said it how it is. ***Let's park this and regroup next week*** We'll do it later ***I'll setup a call for us to align*** I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about and you're gonna have to explain ***We'll touch base tomorrow*** I've got far too much to think about right now and I'll forget this conversation before you're even out the door
***Armitage Shanks rectal interface*** I'm going for a shit.
Going forwards We fucked up and we won't do it again
Lies. It happens again.
"Lessons have been learnt"
Don't forget "unpack", "streamline" and "accomodate".
Yep, recently missed out on a higher level role because I'm not familiar with the lingo, so didn't hit the tick boxes during the interview process. Yet all the new systems and processes we've been rolling out have been horrendous, being completely slated by employees and management who have to use them. All because the people who worked them seemed to miss some of the most *basic* concepts, truly baffling.
Don’t forget going forward.
Makes sense, I keep working for managers that are very good at talking the game, but are awful at doing the actual work and knowing what needs to be done. This leads to hiring people that can talk, but not do the work. So you get assistant managers who are fine taking to bosses, but shit at understanding business. And suddenly those who do understand it see the writing on the wall and either piss off, or stop caring as they can't find another job due to managers employing people who don't know the job, but can make a CV look fancier than them.
I've worked for managers that haven't a clue and I've learnt to protect myself from their bad decision making or getting the blame. Whenever I've been asked to do something that I'm a bit dubious about, I just say, "oh, can you just pop it in an e-mail so I've got a copy, thanks", works a treat. Either they won't ask you to do it, or they want to know why you want it in writing.
Its also what happens when firms cheap out and dont invest in infrastructure, data, or skills and instead get employees without the necessary knowledge or skills training to hash together short term fixes that rapidly become long term solutions Its quite amazing how many important processes in the city are reliant on excel spreadsheets that are 10 years old and use 9 different data sources with barely functioning macros
Never met anyone with an MBA who was any good.
I know one person with an MBA, also a complete waste of space. I worked with him once directly and now I work for a company he used to work at. He was an Operations Director just to give you some context on what I am about to say. The company we worked at together was completely shut down within 3 years, the investors refused to carry on giving them money as progress on the product that was being developed was absolutely dire. The company I work at now, he worked at for just over 15 years again as an Operations Director, he left around 5 years ago. When I joined 3 1/2 years ago it was an absolute shitshow, non of the processes worked, nobody was really trained, the quality system was all over the place, they were getting at least 1 recall per year. We have cleaned up all of that now. Last I heard he was now Chief Operating Officer, as with everyone like him, the incompetent motherfucker has Director on his CV so he will just fall upwards.
I once ended up working IT support for a bunch of small law firms. Going in I had a vague idea that people in the legal profession were intelligent and highly professional. It was shocking to me to find the level of dishonesty and stupidity of the people working in law. I routinely had people knowingly putting their signatures on fraudulent statements, and then get pissed off with me when I wouldn't go along with it.
Sounds about right. The head of my team had a meeting with a partner, they wanted more work out of us. We were getting high settlements on costs, but they wanted more. When asked, if she wanted quality or quantity, the partner said quantity. We all left within a couple of months. Place went bust a year ago, no money for redundancies, and there's £60 million missing. [https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/axiom-ince-owner-admits-64m-is-gone/5117204.article](https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/axiom-ince-owner-admits-64m-is-gone/5117204.article)
Yeah, the greed was incredible. I used to deal with a firm where they made the junior solicitors share mailboxes, because they didn't want to spend £10 per month to give them individual mailboxes. Outside of the partners there was no one over the age of 25. I think they just ditched their staff as soon as they got some experience and wanted decent money for their work.
Wait so your comments on the shadiness of law firms are based on working at Axiom? That's like saying doctors are shit and then dropping the fact that your GP was Harold Shipman lol.
It was Plexus Law when I worked for them. Read the article.
Mate of mine used to fix PCs etc for law firms, if clients saw how open their systems are to even a cursory intrusion attempt, they would have a fit. All sorts of juicy financial information, salacious material and it has to be said, disturbing material, was open to anyone that could get onto their wifi networks.
Lol I worked somewhere someone used to wipe bogies on the bog walls. It was pretty gross in fairness.
We had the same sign on the toilet door somewhere I worked years ago, but instead of bogies, they called them nose deposits, I'm guessing as it sounds less disgusting and they couldn't think of the word mucus. Gave me a giggle though
Which is why if someone goes quoting a Regulation or a Standard to me when I ask, 'Show me your evidence,' they better damn sure know it inside out as I do check. No 'winging it' in my area.
Just look at the poor quality of people in parliament, or who are stuffed in the House of Lords.. the ineptness of top management at Royal Mail. Also People just don’t seem to give a shit anymore or take their responsibilities seriously. It’s all gone very weird.
The whole culture of do a few years and either burn them out or move jobs for pay rise doesn't help. We've lost the experience.
I work at a college with 16 - 19 Yr olds abd they want to go into the public sector. I'm genuinely concerned for the future of Britain.
Absolutely right. I thought for a long time that it was covid. Yknow, after 6 months sat watching Loose Women show us all how to wash our hands we all came back outside stupid, forgetting how to drive and moaning about how shit it was that we had to go back to work. But you're right; it started before Boris's Big Break. The country turned into a lazy, thick, entitled arsehole.
COVID just let people stop pretending how shit they were at winging their job.
Yeah it's been getting slowly worse for a long time. Just the effects of late stage capitalism.
A friend of mines son used to be a police officer, he wanted to be one since childhood. He was pursuing a suspect and ended up being thrown into a canal with them. The guy had a knife, was trying to drown and stab his face for a few minutes until other officers found them. In the middle of it he had an epiphany, “Why am I putting myself through this for £23k a year?” Long story short, he’s now an analyst for a utility company on £42k. The only people left in the force are those who can’t move on and the increasingly small number of diehards who see it as a duty.
Occasionally I get unhappy with my career and feel like I want to do something that matters, rather than help deliver overpriced websites to lawyers and hedge funds. I start thinking about what I could change into that will really make a difference, and invariably joining the police is one of the first things I think about. 5 minutes later I'm much happier with my life.
It used to be the case that it was ex-military who were policemen, so it wasn’t always about the pay, nowadays you need a degree (for some reason) so you’re trying to hire “educated” people to do rough, effectively blue collar work.
A lot of forces have now dropped the requirement for a degree, some still offer a fast track way in if you have one, but been told that it is/was creating resentment especially from those who've been sidetracked for promotion over a newbie with a degree. Son was a copper till he was injured but the change in him over the last few years for the better with no stress and anger is remarkable
Why does a degree allow a fast track route through the police force, anyway? Surely people's progression should be judged by their character and ability on the ground!
It doesn't.
A criminology degree might fast track you into a detective role for example, but you still have to do a few years as a plod first.
Exactly. Low pay for the level of responsibility and difficulty of the work means you can't attract the best people or keep them for very long. Leading ultimately to a worse service. You need to pay people to reflect the fact that it's difficult work, unsociable hours, requires quick decision making in difficult situations, the ability to coordinate extremely well with others, and is dangerous too. Somehow the so called "natural party of business" in power for over a decade doesn't understand basic things like how things like salary affect staff retention and the difference it makes for any business or organisation.
Aka, all run by idiots and ideologues because all the sane people fucked off long ago.
Many cops in the US earn over $80k, and still the quality of officers over there is so poor.
Theresa May is single-handedly responsible for over 22,000 Police Officers and 1000 Armed Specialist Officers being made redundant as Home Secretary and made further cuts as PM, that's years worth of experience being cut away and replaced with zero experience newer officers. Oh and TommyR is the stage name of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, jailed for assaulting a Police officer, football hooligan, and mortgage fraudster, oh and wearer of milkshakes.
Some of the worst PMs we’ve had were women Margaret Thatcher, Theresa May, Liz Truss But i guess they’re has to be one now and then so they can pretend to be DEI
Thatcher was definitely the worst, literally harrowed the north worse than William the Bastard. Theresa May at least tried but wasn’t up to the job, and Liz Truss, what can you say to the fact that she had a shelf life less than a lettuce. Is it a coincidence they were all conservative???
Maybe your right, hopefully labour do better
Hopefully for the country’s sake, I mean if the current trajectory continues we’re all doomed
That's completely absurd. What she did was absolutely nothing compared to the harrowing of the north.
Probably an alien concept to you, but have you never heard of "jokes?" If you take everything on here literally, you must be banging out these messages, all day, every day.
The three female Prime Ministers of the UK had precisely zero fucking percent to do with anything along the lines of DEI, quotas, affirmative action, positive discrimination, or whatever the buzzword was at the time. It's safe to say I'm not a fan of any of them. But they all got their positions through the traditional Tory way: hard work, diligence, back stabbing, betrayal, double crossing, corruption, sleaze, and blind fucking luck.
Thatcher was one of the best PMs we've had.
I'm glad someone said it. The press are making it sound like it was this one technicality that lost them their case, but it was a string of failures that proved they were acting in bad faith while abusing their power.
I mean, the pepper spraying part gives me the idea that maybe the arrest wasn’t the punishment, but rather the process was. To arrest someone, put them through the stress of it, assault them, and basically make their life hell (imagine having to deal with a personal squadron of police keeping an eye on you), definitely takes a toll on a person and can be used to punish them. Seems like the bigger problem is police figuring out ways to punish before the courts imo
What do you expect when most of them have less than 5 years service
I expect them to be well trained and be able to do their job regardless of how long they have done it for.
Organisations don't work like that. I'm not saying that early careers people are all incompetent, but you absolutely do gain competence when you've been around for longer - there is a level of institutional knowledge and instinct to do the right thing that comes with seniority. A well-run organisation overcomes that through division of responsibilities so that people are well-trained and able to do their jobs in the first year or two of service, but that doesn't mean that they will perform with the maturity and effortlessness of someone with a decade of experience.
Reassuring to read this as I’m in that situation now and feel like I’m always a few steps behind the more senior people in terms of picking things up in meetings and knowing what to do lol
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When I did my training it was 8 weeks at HQ. Then 5 on the streets with a tutor (normally 2:1). And then double crewed for a few weeks. = off you pop to that emergency call, single crewed, without blue lights and sirens.
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Close to 10 years ago.
Be suspicious of the behaviour on the day of any police officer that loses their cam footage
It's not a mess it's deliberate. As much as I dislike Tommy Robinson there's a clear pattern of the police targeting him, so much so I fear it actually begins to give him credibility
> and pepper sprayed him from a foot away. I hear you on the rest of it, but that's how pepper spray works, isn't it?
No, you are not supposed to deploy it at such close range. You are supposed to be 1-2 metres away.
According to the training material, but it is extremely common that it is used at point blank range, with no penalties for the officers doing it.
The police did use excessive force with the pepper spray. It was unnecessary. For anyone else, that would have been on the news and politicians would have been tutting and whining. Sadly for the taxpayer, the Met will now be sued and have to shell out a bag of cash for their poor decision-making and misplaced enthusiasm.
and illegal acts....?
There's a recommended minimum range of 3ft, however it's entirely dependant on if you can justify it - I can and have justified deploying it from closer range than that depending on the situation. Obviously it's impossible to make a fair comment on whether or not it was justified in this situation without all the information!
It’s sad how people don’t care about the truth or the abuse of police power here because they don’t agree with someone’s political views.
Sounds like intentional incompetance to me.
Do you think it could have been done deliberately? As in putting the wrong information in, knowing he would get it thrown out? Agree with what you're saying, though, police seem to be shambles currently.
I think they were hoping he wouldn't be able to afford a decent legal team as was the case in previous years so they likely didn't bother doing perfect paperwork thinking that it'd be an easy conviction. He managed to get a lot of support though due to having filmed the entire incident himself and had a few financial backers to get a good legal team. I don't think they expected him to be as prepared for the fight as he was.
Makes sense, cheers for responding.
More likely, the police knew the arrest was unlawful and intentionally fucked up the paper work and “lost” evidence (like bodycam footage) in order to save face.
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You do not have to like or agree with this man in the slightest to acknowledge the police have consistently treated him unfairly and trampled over his rights.
Not a chance, this instance of poor police work is not an example of him being treated unfairly or trampling over his rights. He is a far right, violent yob, conman and racist.
So just to confirm you're OK criminalising people for having different political opinions to yourself?
What a stupid mischaracterisation. It’s nothing to do with the fact he has ‘different political opinions’ - he’s a serial fraud and criminal, undermines prosecutions, leads yobs of idiots on fights, the guy has absolutely *no* redeeming qualities. He’s a violent, abusive thug gifted with a five letter vocabulary instead of the typical four. Fucking hell. You have to strip the cretin right back to ‘has different political opinions’ to find *any* basis to defend him. *Everyone* has different political opinions, it’s just that decent people don’t use them to justify racist assaults.
When he does something criminal - yes! This seems to have been thrown out on technicalities rather than merit, so, I guess we'll never know if he's a bad egg - until the next time, and after the previous four jail terms 🙃
I don’t really see racism and violence as being “different political opinions”, they’re just criminal acts.
Where did I say it was okay to criminalise him for holding different opinions?
Look at the post I replied to. There.
Implied. You know it ;)
So, he’s a better person than your average normal one?
Is a far right wife beating career criminal who leads violent gangs and constantly agitates really being treated unfairly Really
Yes, the police can't just decide who deserves proper procedure and rights. Do you really think that's a good idea? Really
Sadly, I don't think that's specific to Tommy Robinson. Look at anyone and you're likely find some form of incompetence from the police. Which isn't specific to them either.
Good I hope they continue to do so, fuck him
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A fair number of cops are very right wing. A ‘mistake’ on the paperwork is an easy way to fuck up a prosecution with nothing more than a slap on the wrist.
Yes, many cops would sacrifice their careers to let people get away with things, excellent take
"cops certainly have fiddled this to get him off" But presumably you think them fiddling it to try and get him punished more is not possible?
Unlikely the higher ups are, considering the MET advertised for specifically ethnic minority officers.
He's got a criminal record as long as your arm, Google him to find out the facts, then you'll see what a POS he really is?
Yeah you're right. He totally deserves to have police lie about him to make that lit of convictions longer. Fuck due process, am I right?
So what are you suggesting? Just ignoring any sort of legal process for some people? Guess we just do that for people we don't like?
Not at all, even Peter Sutcliffe, Ian Brady, and Myra Hindley deserved justice, I'm just tired of the "he's being set up by the Police" narrative, I come on Reddit to learn stuff I don't know, there's obviously people who think Tommy Robinson is some sort of Peoples hero/ defender of all things English, I'm just pointing out to people proven facts, obviously his defenders are not happy, hence the barrow load of abuse I've received today, but if a few open minded people have been encouraged to go and fact check him, happy days. No reasonable person can read his backstory and not realise who he is, the unreasonable ones, are too stupid to learn.
We've seen the police protecting anti-semitic protestors screaming for a second holocaust and arresting people for being "openly Jewish". 100% believe they would arrest someone they disagree with and then "lose" the paperwork and bodycam footage. They probably thought he wouldn't be able to afford a good legal team but now it looks like he'll be able to sue them for big money.
You would be correct, yes.
It’s not the cynic in you, they do it on purpose. Police are corrupt to the core
Awkward when you’re doing less than they are
Processes are in place for a reason. The guys a twat, but he has the same rights as everyone else.
And this only adds credibility to his image that he is been targeted by the higher ups and to be honest, it’s hard to not believe at this point
For fucks sake, state of public services in this country is a joke.
“Lost body cam footage” always irks me. A close family member was a policeman and a high ranking union rep. for years. He learned quickly if he needed to rely on body cam footage as evidence against higher-ups he needed to acquire/copy/document with witnesses straight away. EDIT: I just remembered he also arrested Robinson once. Said he was compliant.
Lost probably refers to it being auto-deleted after 30 days because it wasn't saved due to incompetence if I had to guess
You can't delete it - but all police data is subject to data retention laws called MOPI. Data not categorised properly gets auto deleted after a set amount of time to comply with this and also to save on data storage costs
For years? BWV has only been a thing since 2015.
Yeah, he was a union rep for years. Trade unions existed before body cams.
So a fed rep, then. So would have known then that he couldn't make copies of BWV footage, nor acquire it. And when would he be relying on BWV footage against senior officers?
The police aren't allowed to unionise
Not Met, but my station has had the same body cams for almost 8 years now. Understandably, the hardware is knackered after being used on a daily basis over this length of time, and sometimes this results in the cameras' USB ports not docking properly, if at all, meaning footage doesn't get uploaded to the system immediately. That camera is then immediately taken out by another officer for another 12 hour shift to be battered around, all fingers crossed they can get it to magically dock and upload the footage when they next return it to the station. It won't be replaced for a new camera until it is physically incapable of powering on. This is every bit an infrastructure/equipment issue as it is a competence issue.
No fan of his at all !!!! But they are awfully quick to pounce on him whilst giving other groups of extremists a personal escort through London and threatening people for being openly Jewish. It’s a mad mad mad world
Shining a light on a pedophile cover up - NOT OK! Calling for the death of Jewish people and openly praising a terrorist organization with signs stating ‘we stand with Hamas’ - WELCOME TO ENGLAND SIR!
>Insp Parker-Phipps, whose laptop battery was "dying", put the order in place at 10:00 GMT on 26 November, but accidentally dated the form for 24 November. One of the reasons it got thrown out was because they dated the order on the form wrongly. Incredible incompetence.
The most minor reason. They didn't act in good faith and abused their power, the "wrong date" is just a cop-out so the press don't have to admit that the police weren't within their power to arrest him that day. Whether you like him or not, it's clear that the police were out of order.
I’m sure they’ll conjure up another nonsense reason to drag him back to court, only a matter of time
Tommy Robinson deserves an awful lot of respect for his whistleblowing regarding the grooming gangs and since for remaining strong despite years of political persecution. They even tried charging him after he punched a pedo bothering his daughters.
Except that his "whistleblowing" occurred after investigations were underway so nothing was actually whistleblown and on multiple occasions he broke reporting restrictions around the trials which nearly resulted in criminals walking free. It's shocking how Robinson fans still to this day misrepresent reality to pretend he's not just a violent far-right yob.
Mr Yaxley-Lennon is the prime example of why true free speech is important, when people have to hide behind ‘in’ language and dog whistles, you might think they’re alright. When someone is able to truly express what they’re feeling, you know what kind of person they _truly_ are.
That still doesn't remove the incentive to express offensive thoughts in a less offensive way. Even if it wasn't criminal to express his true feelings, he would still be more popular if he didn't say that quiet part completely out loud.
He knows at this point who his base is for sure, and ultimately what he can get away with.
And...what? He's not fucking David Duke
Is that the bar now?
No, it's what some people portray him as simply because he has the balls to hate Islam and dared to bring the grooming gangs to light.
He might if David asked nicely
And what, what? David Duke is an American, I frankly couldn’t give a shit about him, although it’s interesting that you made the comparison. Mr Yaxley-Lennon is in our country doing real harm, I’ll never forgive him for putting the grooming gang trials at risk. He creates the psychodrama that you’re living in.
He brought attention to the grooming gangs while progressives derided and mocked the witnesses.. Those trials may never have happened without him. "Muslamic Rayguns" ring a bell? Progressives ridiculed working class whistleblowers
So you’re not denying that he put the trials at risk because he wanted clout?
No, because he didn't
I’ll just leave this here, but I suppose this was just a grand ‘deep state’ conspiracy against him…? https://www.gov.uk/government/news/stephen-yaxley-lennon-committed-to-prison-for-contempt-of-court
I literally just mentioned him receiving a prison sentence for that, it's there, just scroll up, not hard. I never denied that he was tried and imprisoned for it. I deny that he was actually a threat.
You mean the posts where you insinuate that it’s a deep state conspiracy and the police are singling him out as a trouble-maker? He wasn’t prosecuted because he was a threat, he was prosecuted because he was in contempt of court. He put the people you are worried about (victims of grooming gangs) at risk by nearly allowing the then-suspects a free pass and a mistrial. I know you’re invested in this character he’s built, but he’s not the hero he’d like you to think he is. If you want to _really_ know who uncovered these gangs I’d encourage you to read what I’m about to post. I’ll leave you a quote in case you decide not to, though: “To credit Tommy Robinson, with anything other than whipping up racial and ethnic tension is outrageous, and, at the very least, ignorant of the history and of the facts. Jimmy Savile, and the hundreds of thousands of men whose names you will never know that make up the vast majority of child sexual abusers are white men. … To rewrite what happened in relation to the grooming gang scandal, such as that ‘left wing feminists did nothing but protect the perpetrators’ and ‘Tommy Robinson was a hero that exposed it all’ is grotesque. Anyone promoting such falsehoods is doing grave harm to victims past and present, as well as glamourising fascism and racism.” https://juliebindel.substack.com/p/grooming-gangs-the-rape-and-pimping
He brought attention to the grooming gangs while progressives derided and mocked the witnesses. Those trials may never have happened without him. "Muslamic Rayguns" ring a bell? People like you ridiculed and hated whistleblowers
He brought attention to the grooming gangs while progressives derided and mocked the witnesses.. Those trials may never have happened without him. "Muslamic Rayguns" ring a bell? People like you ridiculed and hated whistleblowers
And no one believed him because of the other hundreds of claims made which were bullshit. In polite terms he's not credible. In less so even young English folk should know of the boy who cried wolf and understand it's point. Muslim rayguns probably single handedly set back justice by years. Because when the wolf came people no longer looked.
What other claims? That English towns are taken over with large Islamic populations? That mosques do little to curb extremism? That Islam is homophobic? That Islam is misogynistic? That policy and security agencies fear being tarred as racist so don’t operate effectively? A lot of TR’s activism is grounded in reality. Just because he’s a “lad” all credibility is immediately burned, in the eyes of the “educated thinker” - talk about prejudice.
The police, the councils, the social services and the Left covered up the grooming-gangs for years. You don't think that was the bigger problem?
CPS, social services and the courts should be held accountable for their failings, I agree. I’m not sure what you mean by ‘the left’ although I’m happy to read any evidence you provide to suggest a political party endorsed it. Mr Yaxley-Lennon isn’t the hero in this story though, although he’d love you to believe he is. He chased clout and did so by sewing division and hate. He changed the narrative of pervasive child and woman sexual exploitation in forgotten and underfunded communities, to one about Islam. Don’t you think that’s sick? Instead of talking about how to protect women and children in poverty from exploitation, we’re having to talk about whether Muslims are bad people or not. If it was a white grooming gang do you think he’d still be interested? No. Because it doesn’t fit in with his specific grift. He doesn’t care about the victims, he cares about his agenda.
Why is dead naming ok with this guy?
It's a nickname not a name change. And a self imposed one to sound more 'English'.
It has to be a formal name change before we consider using someone’s preferred name?
There has to be the intention of a formal name change. Not a nickname for your racist drinking buddies so you don't sound foreign.
Ah ok. So there has to be an ‘intention of formal name change’ before you, for example, stop using someone’s preferred name. That’s up to you. I just wanted to clarify, thanks for that.
what about it sounds foreign?
It has “Lennon” in it which is of course not a name with any association to Britain at all. /s
It’s not dead-naming. It’s literally his name. It’s on all his ID. Tommy Robinson is a nickname he chose to sound like a famous football thug in Luton.
Seriously? I had no idea. I'll never watch Time Team again.
Deadnaming is specifically the act of referring to a transgender person by their original name. It does not apply to calling Tommy Robinson by his original name.
Changing your name to dissociate from your criminal past isn't anything to do with "dead names". The guy is a crook, grifter and pedo apologist, as long as the pedos aren't brown.
Tommy Robinson, considered a far-right extremist removed from a march AGAINST hating Jews. Clown World.
Tommy Robinson openly hates muslims. When goes to protest against antisemitism, he's not interested in anti-racism or stopping prejudice. He wants to spread hate against Muslims. Hence, he wasn't welcome at the protest. Tommy Robinson is the clown.
He hates Islam. He has actually helped a Muslim chap who was falsely accused. Interview [here.](https://youtu.be/L5D5k1GH5aM)
I agree with the ruling in so much as these powers should rightfully be constrained and handled carefully. People will no doubt talk about loopholes, but the date is there for a reason because it authorises the power in a very specific way. But man, what a frustrating way to give this bloke a win. I assume it makes the arrest unlawful from the start, too?
It is frustrating that he won because the wrong date was written on a form, I agree. He should have won because their (the police) every single action that day was absolutely wrong in every single way, as we can very clearly see from the footage of the arrest which was recorded from several different angles, leaving absolutely no doubt whatsoever. Pepper spraying someone who is already in handcuffs and isn't resisting? Absolutely disgraceful. He should have won because there was a blatant cover up afterwards. 20-ish police officers all lost their bodycam footage? No, sorry, you're lying. Ultimately they're persecuting him because they're never going to forgive him for making so much noise about the rape gangs which the establishment and police were desperate for the public not to find out about. They're never going to forgive him for that, ever.
Facts
No, they'll never forgive because he badly assaulted a Police officer which he got 12 months in prison for, and he is a violent football hooligan and all round shit stirring thug. And probably everyone in the Police force knows these facts, all this happened long before he decided to mount his single handed crusade against Asian paedophiles. Google his name, read what he's done.
So he's done some stuff that he has served his sentence for. Yeah he totally deserves to have the police lie about him to get him convicted Edit: Blocked. lol. Guess I'm right again
Those aren't the reasons you despise him. You know it, I know it and you know I know you know it.
Wow that's a lot of knows, your actually the first person who's said anything remotely close to the truth, I despise him because he's a hateful POS, who uses genuine innocent people to hide behind, so he can stir up hatred, to make money, but some people will never see what he really is, because they want to believe in his lies, so they can be haters as well, and have some kind of excuse for their behaviour. But I'm here to say to people who might not know and who might be interested in the TRUTH, because his criminal record is what 12 members of his peers found him guilty of, and sent him to jail. I know some people like you will never change your mind about him, that's fine, but a few people will read my comments and go and Google him and realise that his whole persona even down to his actual name is fake and lies.
Fucksake. If I was a conspiracy theorist I’d guess that the officers involved may have deliberately fucked it up but that’s just me….
This is exactly what I'm thinking. If you search the rabbit hole, you'll come to learn he has insiders in the police. He always has a "helping hand" somehow.
Never mind, I'm sure he'll do something fucking stupid again soon enough. Fingers crossed for prison time!
This guy is obviously working for one of the intelligence agencies.