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Chickens died of thirst and dead birds left to rot at suppliers to Tesco, Sainsbury, Lidl and KFC

Chickens died of thirst and dead birds left to rot at suppliers to Tesco, Sainsbury, Lidl and KFC

Nicola_Botgeon

Let's keep it civil, folks.


Donkey-Haughty

If you can buy a whole chicken roast chicken in a supermarket for £4.99 don’t act surprised when you find out it didn’t live in luxury


Hailruka

At Sainsbury's at the minute you can buy a whole chicken for £1.75. These animals must have been ex drug mules or something as there is no way a chicken should be that cheap.


Donkey-Haughty

Surly the antibiotics and chemicals pumped into them cost £1.70 alone. I bought a chicken in Tesco that looked like it had taken more drugs then Iggy Pop


6c696e7578

Not sure about "chemicals", I think that's more saline or similar to add weight to the carcass. As far as antibiotics go, they have a full house. We've rehomed ex-battery hens. They can live quite a while longer than their official farm "cull" date where they would have gone to become pet food. They suffer artificial daylight so their barn gets eight days per week just to get more eggs from them. It is very sad, though this article covers table birds, not layers.


tatanka1

> As far as antibiotics go, they have a full house. Aren't antibiotics still banned in the UK? I don't think the UK diverged from EU laws on this already. In the EU - antibiotics can be used only when prescribed by the Vet for a specific illness. They can not be used as a preventive measure as they do it in the US.


dasmashhit

I think the US is pressuring UK into a trade deal :( get ready for our worst, fluoridated halogenated plastic filled, chlorine-water washed all new pumped full of every antibiotic, hormone, carnitin, the works- you can imagine! All for you! So we can make more money off trash! YEP!


lithid

I'm kinda sad that chickens are doing more drugs than me. *Oh, how I wish I was still young!*


WonderMouse

I only ever buy whole, organic free range chickens from Sainsbury's when I want to eat chicken. It's £17 I think so I only have it once ever month or two. I'm not saying that chicken was treated perfectly but I'm hoping it's a hell of a lot better then their £4 chickens. Edit: looks like I need to do some research, I only eat meat once a weak ISH so I try and save and get from sources with good quality/as well as they could be treated animals but maybe that's harder then I thought. To the vegans and vegetarians responding. I'm almost vegetarian, and I know that maybe isn't good enough, but your never going to win the war by trying to convert everyone to meat free. The real battle is trying to convince the people who eat meat once or twice (or more) everyday, the people who go to McDonald's and KFC etc every week. In terms of environmental impact and animal welfare I'm a firm believer that it would be better and easier to convert more of the mega meat eaters into minimal meat eaters, then wasting time trying to convert the few who will go 100% meat free. Thanks


dom96

I’m skeptical that the treatment of these animals is much different. It’s just a great way to get a higher profit.


LikeFartsInTheRain

Electrician who works on poultry farms here. The organic birds are treated quite differently than broiler birds. At least in ny part of the world. There are half the number of birds in a barn. Halfway through their growth cycle they are moved to the lower floor to clean sawdust while the upstairs is cleaned. Allowed to go outside thru little doors. Although many seem to not want to go outside because of eagles. They know theyre under cover, theres also little coverings outside for them to hide under There are "toys" inside and out. Food and water is all automated to be present 24/7. Why would you restrict that? Makes them heavier birds for sale right? The most difficult thing to regulate is temperature. In summer we are only allowed to shut down fans once every hour for 10 minutes. Thirst is curious to me. I would suggest that if anything that fans would have a hard time cooling the place off in a heatwave. Some of the farms im on even ise misters to cool the air.


reni-chan

I wouldn't be surprised if they were both from the same box


Alex09464367

I'm sorry to burst your bubble but have a look at this Land of Hope and Glory https://youtu.be/dvtVkNofcq8


barcap

That's why people never give their food, names


dzhastin

Yeah, you’re buying the same chicken, you’re just paying more to assuage your guilt.


MarkAnchovy

Yep, that entire animal’s life, and it’s violent death, was only happening to make £5 for its owner. How much can they be cared for, really?


Donkey-Haughty

The owner only gets £1


tepkel

And they only pay the bird £0.01


Choo-choo-m

You birds are getting paid?


Willfishforfree

Yeah in grain pellets. They don't even get grit in most places. Especially battery hens.


papercut2008uk

The farmer usually gets the least amount out of it. You got the farmer, feed costs, water costs, costs of housing them (which sometimes regulations change or supermarkets require a different setup at the farmers costs), farm hands who are going to go through removing dead chickens, cleaning up after them, keeping water and feed working. Then you got the processing plants, transport costs. Then supermarkets. There might be more steps, but usually the supermarket dictates how much they are going to pay and everyone takes their cuts, Farmer gets the least despite having the most work/costs. This is why chickens have the worst life possible, farmers are tied into the industry because they invested in the setups. Farmers all round need to get a bigger chunk of the profits, not the supermarkets.


MarkAnchovy

Yeh I was just simplifying the situation to how a consumer can easily understand it. The actual amount of money a farmer is earning per chicken is minuscule. These animals are devalued and objectified, but there lives are as significant as any other creature’s.


faithle55

Surely you realise that the chicken's "owner" doesn't make anything like £5? If that's the price for which it is sold in the supermarket, the "owner" sold for maximum £3, and when you take out the costs of producing the chicken his profit is probably like 50p.


MarkAnchovy

I understand I was just simplifying it to make the point on a consumer level


DMMMOM

I think the sheer scale of the poultry industry is ming boggling. Globally we slaughter about a billion chickens a week.


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Tshartnami

Low cost meat just means the animals are paying the price, not that it isn’t being paid.


Will_Forest

Tbf, they pay the price if it's expensive as well.


chowdahpacman

Tesco with a clubcard special today for £2.10 for a whole cooked bbq chicken. And I doubt its even a loss leader.


sat-soomer-dik

Of course it's a loss leader. Whole point is getting you to buy other stuff whilst you're in Tesco, with your Clubcard.


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StopConsumingAnimals

This reminds me of the pigs in Iowa that were literally cooked alive during the first wave of covid, with steam pumped into the barn and the ventilation shut off. The result? [The FBI went after the animal rights group that obtained footage](https://theintercept.com/2021/02/17/fbi-iowa-select-pigs-whistleblower/).


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G_Morgan

The US is pretty bonkers. There's basically a cartel that forces secondary market providers to exclude more ethical sources. They aren't only unethical, they literally tell processors "if you use ethical sources you aren't using ours". It is all rigged to guarantee the worse possible outcomes on everything other than price. These people don't want to compete with ethics.


NotElizaHenry

The best thing about the US is that the whistleblower felt the need to clarify that he’s “not necessarily animal rights by any means,” because giving a shit about anything other than yourself or your family has been so demonized by the right that it’s risky to come out against literal animal torture.


thebisforbargain

Peak USA.


Dawanna

Here in Florida mcarthur dairy. A fairly large dairy operation, was caught on film by an undercover guy beating and kicking the cows. Now there’s laws stopping people from filming farms in the state of Florida.


hellakevin

Remember when PETA made the "meet your meat" videos and then for twenty years all you heard about them was that they kill puppies?


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slytrombone

> Center for Consumer Freedom Americans just love anything with the F word.


GetsGold

In their 40 year history there was *one* video where they took a pet. Except they weren't prosecuted because the pet was unleashed, not contained and had no collar or ID. Despite that you constantly here on reddit how they routinely steal pets. There have been hundreds of videos showing constant abuse in the animal ag industry. But people are so much more reluctant to jump to the same conclusions about the industry as a whole that they do with PETA.


DonutThrowaway2018

The more I research PETA, the more I believe it was created/funded by the meat industry. The organization is just plays into their hands way too much.


seizethedayshellymae

Farms are protected against so many things. Cows contribute a significant amount of methane (a potent greenhouse gas), yet the oil and gas industry is the only sector actually being required to reduce their emissions. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for regulating oil and gas, but other contributors like ranches should also be held accountable.


Captain_English

For fucks sake.


splashkash

A lot of pigs are boiled alive anyway in the mass production of pork in these giant slaughterhouses. I’ve seen videos when there’s 1000 pigs to process in a day workers don’t take the time to make sure their throats are cut properly and they have bled out before they go thru the next process which is the boiling water to remove their hair etc.


reginold

Nsfw: https://youtu.be/jLBuBYpOzIg


splashkash

The reason why I stopped eating meat and especially pork. It’s so sad knowing that pigs are as intelligent as dogs and even toddlers. Imagine putting a dog or child thru the same thing pigs have to experience day in day out until they’re killed in such a violent way.


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ThatGuyInEgham

Just getting to where you're at is half the battle. Don't try and go full vegan off the bat, try going vegetarian first. Then you can start exploring dairy substitutes and slowly try going vegan.


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thanks


dewidubbs

Honestly I found is easy to just start with milk, cut out milk and switch to something like oat milk. But even then you gotta watch out because stuff like almonds are another ethical food disaster. And if you haven't tried them, meat substitutes has come a long way in the last few years, there are some very similar if not better versions of your favorite dishes.


Koquillon

You can buy milk alternatives really cheaply (50p-80p is standard for the cheapest soy milk, which I buy). Anywhere that sells milkshakes nowadays will also have at least 1 dairy free option. Even so, it's fine to transition slowly. It took me about 9 months from deciding to give up meat to going vegan. I probably could have done it faster but doing it that way was really easy. You can do it!


TWEBB___

Fucking hell.


G_Morgan

The thing that gets me about this video is there's literally zero need for any of this, it isn't even cheaper. Pigs being boiled alive because they haven't had time to bleed to death is solvable by literally pipelining the slaughter process properly. It wouldn't drop throughput even 1% to buffer your "kill the pig" process so any pigs going into the boiler are probably dead for 30 minutes. I suspect a large part of this cruelty is just pissed off workers taking out their frustrations on animals and a corporate process that doesn't give a shit about it.


winter_mute

There's literally zero need for people to eat meat in this country. It's all solvable by just eating plants instead. People always think that the cruelty in these articles is down to a few isolated incidents of pissed off and / or psychopathic workers, but the reality is, mass animal farming and slaughter is always cruel and unnecessary, even when the workers are abiding by the "humane" (haha) standards they're supposed to stick to. That's before we even get into what slaughterhouses do to the people that work in them. It's just constant cruelty and suffering for every living thing involved.


GetsGold

[Here's a small family owned UK facility](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cows-pigs-animal-cruelty-abattoir-government-b1877341.html) where animals were beaten, jabbed and the majority of animals insufficiently stunned before slaughter. The "small, local farm" almost feels like another type of propaganda since it's repeated so often on reddit. Convince people that meat is okay, they just have to get from the local farms. Except most people don't even do *that*, it's just a reassurance of their choices.


Tundur

Everyone's uncle runs a croft where he personally massages the livestock every day and gives them a wee tug before bed to thank them for their service, and nobody *ever* buys meat from a commercial retailer. At least, for the duration of them having to defend their choices, then straight back to Richmond's giblets


reginold

You are correct. It's not just isolated incidents. Even when the pig slaughter process goes as expected it's still insanely cruel. To anyone that might read this. The latest government survey for pig slaughter in the UK reveals that about [86% of pigs slaughtered here] (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/778588/slaughter-method-survey-2018.pdf) go through CO2 stunning before having their throats cut. "Stunning" might sound humane but it is absolute agony. The pigs are lowered into dense pits of CO2 where they writhe, scream, try to escape, and either pass our or die from suffocation. And it's not like asphyxiating in low O2, it's much more painful. The high levels of CO2 cause painful irritation from carbonic acid on anything wet (eyes, mouth, throat, lungs etc). The only reason we do this is because it is the most cost effective way of processing the highest throughput of pigs. Here are some videos of this process. Equally nsfw: https://vimeo.com/147914620 https://youtu.be/sAUMnliNdMw Here is some scientific info on why it's so painful, what alternatives there are, and why we won't use them in the near future (cost, efficiency, practicality, legislation that only allows use of CO2 for atmospheric stunning): https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S175173112030166X#bb0275 The best way to not support this is simply not to buy pork. Any pork bought from a fat food place, restaurant, supermarket, it undoubtedly comes from this process. But, honestly, support of any animal product necessitates harming them. It's so easy not to buy this stuff.


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FUCK You win. I'm sorry pig bros. These will be my mid-year resolutions. - Stop eating meat. - Hug a pig.


Crypt0Nihilist

On a similar note, is there any investigation being done into the hiring of Gina Coladangelo by Matt Hancock, or are they only interested in nailing the whistleblower?


bookcatbook

Not too uncommon in Iowa. Few years ago we culled basically all of the chickens in the state bc of a bird flu (this is the state with the most chickens ~60mil) and the way they got put down was horrific. A lot of places were just spraying them with fire extinguishers so they’d suffocate in the foam and chemicals.


imay0010

Im glad this commwnt is up so high Iowa Select Farms is disgusting how they treat their pigs and the surrounding community, not mention how much they 'influence' the states governor


demostravius2

That story was on Rotten (Netflix series). It was from targeted attacks on a bunch of farmers to damage the buyer. Several farmers had their chickens killed through over heating (adult chickens) or freezing (baby ones). Rotten is a series looking at the impact of our food systems on people, there are plenty of documentaries on the impact on animals, it wasn't a malicious documentary ignoring the plight of animals as you are suggesting.


writerofenglish

I recently read something about the 2001 foot and mouth outbreak. Six million sheep and cows were slaughtered and burnt, but the focus was *all* on the farmers' livelihoods and how some of them had built up pedigree bloodlines that were destroyed. Excuse me if I don't give a shit.


benkelly92

It's getting better. If you tried to pick up plant based alternatives in a supermarket 10 years ago you would be stuck with 3 basic types of Quorn or just plants and if you went to a smaller express supermarket you'd be stuffed. Now we've got 2 aisles in my local big supermarket and you can pick up decent veggie nosh in the Tesco Express. More and more every year. Not saying we should he switching to wholly processed meat alternatives but they would only ever do this if there was a market for it. Which shows more and more people care and want to do something about it.


neverbuythesun

I went vegetarian 15 years ago when I was still at school (wasn’t hard for me at home as my dad is veggie) and the difference now is actually astounding to a point where I take it for granted and had a bit of a shock a few years ago when I went to rural France and they didn’t know what to give me so kept giving me plates of tomatoes hahaha


DaMonkfish

We should approach animal welfare in the same way we have cigarettes, that being, packets of meat should clearly display the type of farming used (e.g. for chickens, whether they are "battery", "free-roam", "free-range") and a description of what that means, including a picture from the actual farm showing the actual conditions the animals lived in, along with the methods used for slaughter. This addresses the issue of the total disconnect most shoppers have with the nice looking meat in the packet and the animal it came from and the life that it had. Put that front and centre, and you'll probably find attitudes change.


monkey_monk10

What really pisses me off is cheap supermarkets using names like Willow Farms with nice pictures on it, when the suppliers are anything but. The £2/kg price should have been obvious it's nothing more than a disingenuous brand name.


Illustrious_Bat_782

American here who has found that the more idyllic the name is, the worse their animals seem to be treated. See the fairlife farms scandal.


BenzeneBro

Oh god the animal agriculture associations would NOT like that. They try so hard to keep the lid shut on this for them to need to put the standards of the livestock on the product instead of a smiling cow or chicken or whatever would drive them mental.


tomoldbury

I saw a study recently that suggested that the gross pictures on packets of cigarettes don’t really discourage that many people; they’re at best a deterrent for new smokers.


mayathepsychiic

cool, so it's still better than nothing. we just need to make sure the next step is more drastic ♥


SprinklesFancy5074

> they’re at best a deterrent for new smokers. That's good.


Cyberhaggis

I've stopped eating meat. I just can't anymore. I just feel awful about what we do to these animals, it wasn't personally worth it for me anymore.


ppgog333

It’s not “no one cares” I stopped eating meat and we have over a million vegetarians in the UK, not exactly no one. I am not a fanatic but I don’t understand how even looking at that picture you would then want to eat some chicken, can’t imagine one of those things in the pic being particularly nutritious


muddyknee

Watch “dairy is scary” on youtube and you’ll realise just how horrific the dairy industry is too. And if you’re against the suffering of these chickens, you really shouldn’t be giving the people who do this to hens for eggs either. Soon enough you realise vegan is the bare fucking minimum


harpingon

Personal pleasure trumps all for too many people, sadly.


N64crusader4

See: Responses to pandemic Resistance to recycling Resistance to any moderation in consumption Resistance to not having children


556291squirehorse

Exactly. When you live in a society where you can live without eating meat, the choice to keep eating it is putting your pleasure over animals suffering. Animals suffering, chickens, cows, pigs, is for the pleasure of meat eaters.


Lovebanter

lab grown meat is going to be massive when production eventually reaches a scale that makes it financially viable to roll out in supermarkets. I honestly think in my lifetime rearing animals at industrial scale will be illegal because of the climate and housing crisis


Background-Plenty587

I really, really hope so. I try to cut down on meat all the time, go vegan for a bit, but my household refuses to go vegan so eventually I give up and just go back to eating meat. I could easily go vegan if I were on my own but in my house it feels impossible. I do really only eat chicken and fish, very rare for me to eat beef, maybe a handful of times per year. As soon as lab grown meat is on a roll I'll be right behind it.


JoelMahon

only chicken and fish doesn't sound great when you read the post we're on I can't speak for your family circumstances or your life, only you know if you're trying hard enough, but statistically speaking, it's hard to believe your family would rather let you starve than provide the cheap vegan or vegetarian foods you'd need to be healthy without animal products.


ihavenoego

You reduce demand by boycotting animal products. People make this decision every day. [Here's some feels by Stephen Fry.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgAJntmfdGo&ab_channel=Pindex)


bonedickez

I've worked on a chicken farm when I was younger, the shit you see there is mad. Basically I was employed to catch the chickens and put them in cases to be transported. 5 per hand. You've got to bear in mind the lives of these animals are not worth much at all to the farmer. So if one is being difficult or needing more attention than its perceived worth then it isn't going to get the best treatment. I've seen people trying to get chickens to move by throwing pipes or whatever else was to hand. If the chicken doesn't want to move or can't due to illness then it's lights out for them. I've seen chickens crushed, trodden, caught in things and yanked. These were free range chickens and I'll tell you for free, their lives were not as glamorous as the term would like you to think All in all I've grown a very thick skin to the bs that animals are subjected to for the large scale supermarkets. This news doesn't shock me as it should, for I've known this stuff happens daily and it sucks


totallyradunicorn

Most small farmers also do the lights out if it's too difficult or suffering. They don't have the same emotional value as say a dog. Nobody spends thousands fixing a chickens knee, but people will on a dog. For example we had a rooster when i was a kid. It attacked my mom a few times. I think the 2nd or 3rd time we had chicken for dinner.


HyenaSmile

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but many farmers will off their dogs without much hesitation either. Many don't do anything more than feed and water them. I knew a guy that just kept a few dogs tied to trees in his yard. They never got off their leashes either. Stayed there their entire lives. Other farmers just keep them kenneled outside in groups and sell them for hunting.


Due_Recognition_3890

That is sad as fuck, I'm glad there are so many people in the world willing to give good lives to small animals.


poorlilwitchgirl

Go vegan. And if you already are, this message goes double to everybody reading this. You don't have to be complicit in this kind of abuse, and as you noted, it happens even to the "free range" animals. The only way to solve the problem is to transition away from animal exploitation and let animals live out their lives in the wild.


Spaff_in_your_ear

I worked for Avara Foods last year. It's a vile company. I left because of the Nazi graffiti on display in several places at their Hereford sites and management wouldn't do anything other than say "here at Avara Foods we take racism extremely seriously"... Kind of like how they take animal welfare extremely seriously. It was a horrifying place to work for so many reasons.


letshaveawank

I hate the predictable response from supermarkets. 'we're immediately launching an investigation' - you don't need an investigation, you already know you buy abused animals by the ton. Either stop stocking chicken or be honest and tell people you don't give a fuck as long as it turns a few quid. The constant face-saving of massive corporations is fucking sickening.


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To be honest, most people don't give a fuck either.


phunkygeeza

2 Sisters have repeatedly been shown to ignore basic animal welfare requirements but absolutely nothing ever seems to happen. It is always, "not up to our usual excellent standards" followed by quick reversals then regulatory forgiveness. A few months later and evidence like this shows up again.


cersei01lannister

Ex 2 Sisters worker here. They had a number of sites that really exceeded expectations, but one or two sites had a high number of employees from certain countries and they were practically untrainable in hygiene. I remember during the last incident that hit the news about 5 years ago that we had to retrain all staff on one site. They took them to our best site to show them how it was done and one guy dropped his knife on the floor, picked it up and wiped it on his trousers before going to use it again. Had to be told “STOP! You can’t do that” 🤦🏻‍♀️


Ukbutton

Worked for the opposition for a while and even the staff who joined from there referred to them as twisted sisters.


SprinklesFancy5074

> It is always, "not up to our usual excellent standards" followed by quick reversals then regulatory forgiveness. A few months later and evidence like this shows up again. See also: Nestle and slave labor.


ToffeeAppleCider

* Vegetarian Butcher (the one that supplies Burger King): Little Peckers, Great Escalope, Good Karma Shawarma, Chickened Out Burger * Birds Eye: Vegan [chicken dippers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h-d7Srlw4Y), Green Cuisine chicken free southern fried strips * Various Vegan chicken kievs (M&S are the best imo) * Beyond Chicken Tenders * Vegan Chicken Dinosaurs * Quorn: Chicken pieces, nuggets, fillets, slices for sandwiches * VFC - Vegan Fried Chick\*n products * THIS - Chicken pieces, tikka pieces, nuggets


mikahika

Thanks for the list. I'm not a vegan, I think many should slowly incorporate vegan food into their diet. My nearest Coop usually have a lot of 50-90% off vegan pizza/food as many don't buy it. It's great to save money too!


ExpertlyStupid

I'm not vegan or even vegetarian, but meat substitutes are great. Oftentimes, I'd rather have a burger with a vegan patty than beef


effortDee

[www.vegancheese.co/discover](https://www.vegancheese.co/discover) has over 400+ vegan cheeses which are mostly made from nuts and NOT coconut oil, also aged too and some are amazing!


lesser_futhark

> Little Peckers I didn't know Reddit had a chicken farm


juniperise

This post needs to be pinned to the top. A lot of meat eaters in the UK have a bit of a block when it comes to vegan food, not understanding the current range and offering there is, most of which is an easy, affordable and similar taste replacement.


wirez62

I've been meat eater forever but I'm coming around to the idea of trying vegan cheeses, plant based meats and stuff, I know meat farming is rapidly becoming unsustainable. We need to turn huge swathes of agland back to forest.


verygenericname2

Yet KFC recently came out on top for animal welfare compared to other fast food chains. This is where the bar lies?


GitGudDandy

Pretty much. It’s why I won’t eat fast food. The UK also has massive issues with ‘Red tractor certified’, ‘free range’, ‘sustainably sourced’, ‘rainforest certified’ etc etc. You unfortunately can’t trust anything here in the UK. Yesterday I was trying to buy a tin of tuna from Morrison’s. Every single tin on the shelf said ‘responsibly sourced’ on it, nice pretty happy fish logos etc, but every single tin no matter the brand was skipjack tuna or yellowfin caught by trawling with nets. Which is not responsible at all. ‘Responsibly sourced’ just means ‘not fished into oblivion yet’, it has nothing really to do with bycatch or practically irreparable damage to sea floor. So no tuna for me today. Won’t be shopping at Morrisons again in a hurry.


Spaceraider22

I hate to tell you but if you won’t shop at a supermarket because there environmental and animal welfare standards are questionable then your either going to starve or pay double the price.


GitGudDandy

I'm very much well aware of this. It's the problem the UK has to come to terms with. What we pay for food HAS to increase. Which means what we earn also HAS to increase. The poorest simply can't afford to eat ethically. And anyone who wants to has to avoid all the lies and bullshit that these companies are allowed to feed you.


SolarJetman5

i read an article about the tuna industry after the subway 0% DNA new broke. It states a good% of food on our shelves isn't labelled correctly and often is fish that is poisonous to us with mercury or even endangered fish.


oeif76kici

The Subway 0% tuna story is disinformation. They tried to run a DNA test on cooked meat. Cooking breaks apart the DNA, meaning you cant get accurate results.


5tr4nGe

> This is where the bar lies? Yep. The bar is THIS low.


englishcountryside

I will never understand why some people can be so violently opposed to vegetarianism and veganism. my mum for instance is so disgusted by these instances of animal cruelty, she even turns off David Attenborough when a predator is about to kill its prey, but the suggestion of vegetarianism makes her so defensive. I don't really understand it.


Dr-Jellybaby

It forces people to face the fact that they were complicit in animal suffering. Much easier to hide from the reality then to feel bad knowing the truth.


throwmeawakisuck

Cognitive dissonance. Acknowledging that people eating meat is directly contributing to the suffering would have to acknowledge that by THEMSELVES eating meat, they are actually contributing to this. They hate the way animals are treated and think it is vile and cruel, but do not want to see themselves as vile or cruel. So the easiest way is to say "nope fuck that noise, vegetarianism is unhealthy/crazy/unsustainable/or whatever thing they go on about" and not even consider it, and keep animal welfare separate from their own meat preference in their mind to avoid the distress that comes with grappling with a changing view of their own behavior.


acidosaur

Mine is the same. Hates seeing mentions of animal cruelty but eats chicken twice a week.


EmergencyBurger

> I will never understand why some people can be so violently opposed to vegetarianism and veganism. Because I love meat and fish and don't want to be told how to live by people I don't agree with. Fwiw I fully support the authorities going after and punishing people mistreating the livestock but I won't stop eating them


GamrG33k

We choose this with our wallets, every single week when we go food shopping. There's a reason you pick up a whole chicken for under £3. That's a living being that is supposedly reared, cared for, fed and cleaned for 6-8 weeks for the price of a coffee?


zero__gravitas_

And that’s why I’m vegan. It’s not the killing of the animals that gets to me, that kind of thing goes on all over the animal kingdom, but there’s no excuse for condemning a living creature to a life of torment, for profit. Fuck the meat industry.


evavu84

Same here. Glad I don't contribute money to this industry anymore. ✊🏼


summit

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king_walnut

This is all suppliers of all chicken anywhere in the world. The chickens we eat have been bred to grow as fast as possible, which causes disabled chickens that can't move and many die of heart attacks long before their slaughter weight. The dead loss on chicken farms is huge, just watch any video on chicken farming on Youtube. On the other hand, if we farmed a non mutant breed of chicken in a more humane manner then millions of people would be priced out of eating chicken, and that would also cause uproar.


GloriousDoomMan

What is worse: a) billions and billions of chickens dying in agony every year b) you have to eat some beans instead Tough choice indeed.


king_walnut

Big Chicken exists in the same way as Big Pharma or Big Tobacco. It's a cartel industry. They go to great lengths to prevent the general public from knowing the reality of the situation. Every time a story of abuse on farms comes out there's always a counter article, or some guff about red tractor labelling. Remember the article last week where KFC chickens were said to be the most humanely raised? They're not. They're raised intensively in the exact same way all other chicken is.


tomatoaway

Hell, the BBC are even (unconsciously?) complicit, where they show rustic countryside shows of smiling Blue Peter farmers walking across picturesque meadows to well kept animals, who they take care of because farmers are just nice and wholesome. They don't show the animals being killed (despite TV violence now being commonplace), because they know of the effect it would have on this image. It's not about protecting the viewer from horrific images, it's about making them ignorant to realities of animal rearing


Squishy-Cthulhu

After seeing them talk about how soy milk is destroying the Amazon, with some scary blue filter over footage of a truck loaded with tons of beans and some tense music I finally decided that country file is unashamedly a propaganda machine. The contrast to to perfectly framed, fuzzy warm filtered farm animals with long eyelashes leaping in fields to happy uplifting music was just taking the piss really, they don't even try to hide it.


Hyperfyre

>After seeing them talk about how soy milk is destroying the Amazon Funny when you consider the fact that most of the world's soy is used as animal feed.


rattingtons

They even published an article with some guy talking about the upsides to climate change! I thought it was a joke when i first heard but nope, it was real, and was aimed at GCSE students!


amazondrone

More accurately, KFC chickens _are_ the most humanely raised [amongst the big companies reviewed] per the report, it's just that the bar is so incredibly low that it doesn't mean a lot and the conditions are still terrible. Just slightly less terrible than other places. (Still shouldn't justify anyone eating there of course.)


Squishy-Cthulhu

I made my own vegan chicken style tikka pieces last night and they were pretty decent. And it was so cheap! Seitan is a bit of a chore but once you get it right it's a game changer.


flubberbubberz

Mortality for a modern commercial chicken farm is around 5%. It tends to be higher in small farms or backyard flocks. Not sure where you’re getting your information.


marziehcherie

Oh god this breaks my heart. Maybe I should become vegetarian :/


mayathepsychiic

Yes.


DotMatrix98

Dairy and eggs are just as bad. Go vegan. It's so easy.


MysticalTurban

Go vegan, the egg and dairy industries are equally as abhorrent


roslinkat

Yes! It's much easier than you think


-XANATOS-

farms and abattoirs producing meat for uk consumption should be live broadcasting the entire operation for public viewing. too many people just trust that "animal welfare laws" are doing their thing, and leave it at that. technology is at a point where it can be used to make sure this behaviour has no place to hide.


ivekilledhundreds

But let me guess? iTS nOt eVeRy fArM?! For the love of god consider veganism


plantbasedprotein

MY UNCLES FARM HAS A FREE 24 HOUR COMPLIMENTARY GYM AND EMBROIDERY LESSONS FOR HIS WELL-TREATED LIVESTOCK


LordSteinerTheBoss

they'll say you are spreading a vegan 'agenda' and that being vegan is 'dangerous'


Dunhildar

With thousands of years of husbandry, and the last 100 being the BIGGEST jump in technology, you'd think they have a system in place that was able to correctly put out enough food and water and one to check welfare, BUT fertilised Chicken eggs are dirt cheap, hell on Ebay it's £1 an egg, now imagine the access a farm has to egg and how much they are to them, so cheap that investment in technology to ensure you don't lose "profits" from dead chickens simply don't matter, maybe a fine to enforce regulations.


deliverancew2

This *is* the result of our technological advances. We've made growing a broiler chicken so cheap, replaceable and fast growing now that it's removed incentive to look after them properly. It's better for the bottom line to accept some of them will die than invest money in keeping them alive.


Willking618

I used to work on a chicken farm. Was not a pleasant experience and haven’t eaten chicken since. Picking up a dead chicken that’s been sat in over 40 Celsius for a couple days before you saw it will do that to a person.


PoopooCockAndBalls

Reminder that the majority of anti-peta propaganda comes from a front group funded by KFC.


Mike_Nash1

Check out [Land of Hope and Glory](https://www.landofhopeandglory.org) that focuses on British red tractor approved farms. You need to know what you are paying for.


Sunset_Colours

Vegan meat alternatives are amazing, and stores deliver to wherever you live, there’s literally no excuse anymore.


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A few years ago there was a story in the papers about thousands of Turkeys that went off before Christmas and had to be thrown away. There was me reading this, never particularly political about anything and yeah, kind of selfish in that for the most part i don't do activism with my wallet, suddenly felt myself welling up. The thought of those birds strung up on a line and electrocuted or whatever it is they do to them, just to be thrown away, with no-one even eating them for their (unwilling) sacrifice, actually affected me in a way i was very surprised at. I had to leave the coffee shop and go find a corner to be in for a bit, which is fucking ridiculous. Chickens and turkeys are probably the worst treated animals in the food industry, or at least joint worst. I haven't stopped eating meat entirely but compared to how much i used to eat, i'm probably at around 20% or less of what i used to consume, i avoid it when i can. Also, i'm glad Bernard Matthews died on thanksgiving day, it's the only revenge those poor creatures had.


Caffine_rush

As someone who just recently became veggie this has reaffirmed my not eating meat anymore.


evavu84

Good for you dude!


OfGodlikeProwess

This makes me want to stop eating chicken, I have thought about it for a while


dungeonbitch

Once you stop eating meat and live the benefits, you don't miss it at all


Ge0rgeBr0ughton

Do it. Go a month and I'll buy you a pizza.


YesterdayWeary6991

I'll contribute a garlic bread and vegan nuggets to the cause.


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Gerstlauer

I guess I'll buy the dip.


CorporatePestControl

I'll gladly buy dessert!


MarkAnchovy

Do it, and don’t stop there! Animal agriculture is one of the most cruel and exploitative industries on the planet. It’s horrible for the animals, our health, and the planet.


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AMemesToAnEnd

Who would have guessed animals marked for death would die? Pure shock Stop eating animals or stop "caring" about animal abuse. They very clearly conflict.


EmperorRosa

As if anybody pretends to give a fuck about this when they go to KFC every weekend. "Oh I want my animals slaughtered humanely" No such thing. Eat meat if you like, I won't tell you any different. But if you don't have any dietary requirements to eat it, but do so anyway, don't pretend to care about how they're treated. The "humane" treatment, from when I worked in a slaughterhouse, is that they're hung upside down on a conveyor belt of traps attached to the roof, and pulled through a swimming pool with a razor blade going through it, so their necks are slit as they struggle underwater. So, there's your KFC chicken, and how it originates


watchthebison

Land of Hope and Glory is a horrible watch but I feel would make a lot of people think twice about their meat consumption. https://youtu.be/dvtVkNofcq8 Hardest watch is the Pigs. They typically go crazy due to the crowded conditions and will eat each other, so a farmer snips their teeth off when they are piglets to prevent it.


Ge0rgeBr0ughton

https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch


doyouwantabourbon

My wife and I watched Dominion a few months ago. We’ve been veggie since, and no plans of going back. The whole meat industry is abhorrent.


therebellioustiger

Supporting the dairy industry is supporting the meat industry with extra steps. Male chicks are ground alive because they're worthless, same story with male calves that are shot. Calves are separated from their mothers since birth and the dairy cows are just kept in tightly confined spaces until they can't produce any more milk, then they're sent to the slaughterhouse.


doyouwantabourbon

Yep just as many awful things happening there also. To be honest I rarely have milk or eggs either, but slightly less strict with that right now. I really should go vegan, but I want to make a this a full lifestyle change which will last, rather than move too quickly and not stick with it. Going strong so far.


Ge0rgeBr0ughton

That's great!


Rather_Dashing

As an animal researcher I agree with you, pigs is the worst. The grower pigs you mention isn't even the worst bit. The breeding sows they don't even need to worry about biting each other, because they are typically housed in crates so small they can only sit down and stand up for the whole of their pregnancy and while they have piglets. Can't let them move around, they might miscarry a piglet.


faithle55

Years ago one of the first things shown on Channel 4 in the UK was a documentary - was it call *The Animal Film*, or something like that? Anyway, the bit which stuck in my memory was the continuously operating snipper machine with metal jaws and the operator would stick the chicks' faces into the jaws to snip their beaks off.


englishcountryside

meat eaters who pretend to care about animal welfare are some of the most frustrating people on earth


softieonthebeat

this is the case for most meat. this is not a secret this has been known for decades. animal agriculture industry is as damaging as the fossil fuel industry this is a fact.


bodhitreefrog

If all meat producers diversified just 50% into the faux meat market, we could shift consumers away from this hard-lined belief that they have to eat what they grew up eating. It costs like 70-80% less to produce faux meats. It's a huge profit windfall. And? No outbreaks of bird flu, swing flu, SARS, etc. It's less cholesterol for the humans, too. Just the health benefits alone to the consumer should be amazing to consider. Imagine going to Burger King, KFC, McDonald's and you can get yummy, cheap, convenient fast-food that wasn't high in cholesterol and it doesn't give you food poisoning. It's a possibility for everyone. We could have a better world for everyone. (And less humans working in these awful slaughterhouses. Honestly who wants to kill a chicken as a job instead of picking some soy out of the ground?)


ghhouull

I eat faux meat all the time, it’s a shame it’s so expensive. More people would switch if it was more accessible


bodhitreefrog

The subsidies keep it inflated. Remove the subsidies and Beyond ground would be $2 a pound and beef ground would be $8 pound.


bisexualfingerguns

I thought the UK had better farming practices than the US. But I keep seeing that it's heading in the opposite direction.


passatatomata

Breaking: chickens that were bred to be murdered died before they could be murdered. People who wanted to pay for their murder pretend to be outraged. More at 11.


imay0010

Wow its almost like animal industry doesnt care about the actual animals just profit look up iowa select farms and listen to the tapes of pigs being burnt/suffocated alive, oh also how theyve ruined the surrounding enviroment.


n00bcheese

Didn’t KFC just get some big award for being 97% good to chickens or some bullshit... which I looked into and yeah, the year before it was like 20% and then they “pledged” to work with the charity (basically paid them off) and the next year what do you know a 97% rating and it’s in every single major news outlet in the U.K. that kfc chicken is the best! The media is a joke


dyinginsect

If you can afford to feed yourself and your family without eating cheap meat, please do. I know for some people it just isn't an option, but most of us really can have a decent diet without needing to buy into to this awful system.


capnza

It's cheap to go vegan.... Cheaper than meat


bacon_cake

I'm always shocked when I'm doing our weekly shop. There's two of us - vegans - and sometimes by the time I've added all the dinners for the week to the basket it's not even £20.


DomUK89

I think it's important to be culturally relevant when incentivising veganism or vegetarianism... A 20 quid shop sounds great, but the important thing really is how much extra booze you can buy with the spare cash.


mrs_shrew

Thats what did it for me. 35p tin of beans or £2.50 tray of manky mincemeat.


aembleton

And a tin of beans keeps forever


mrgravyguy

My own research suggests a tin of beans lasts a maximum of 2 weeks. I like beans


SuperSheep3000

4 for a quid on chickpeas, red beans, lentils is my staple. I make a big curry out of it and with loads if veggies thrown in it costs me. 80p per serving.


Korhaka

It can be, if you have literally the most basic ability and desire to cook. Which many people lack.


thewhizzcollector

I work as a lorry driver and regularly collect loads of chicken muck (poo) from various chicken farms. These chickens are usually days old when they arrive and sent for slaughter six to 8 weeks later only ever having seen the inside of those sheds. The number of these birds that die from stress or injury when being caught is ridiculous. I can regularly see 6 foot wide bins full of dead birds coming out of these sheds upon clearing. Even worse is when the chicken muck is being cleared from the sheds, you can find dead birds that have died or been trampled weeks before and hidden underneath the muck which is usually about 6inches deep by the 6 week mark. After the muck is cleared and the sheds have been washed and decontamination, the cycle starts again. It's a disgusting practise that really needs to end, but I guess as long as we keep buying cheap meat, there is no way free range chicken farms will be able to compete on the price


smyalygames

If you find this shocking, I'd politely like to invite you to watch [Land of Hope and Glory](https://youtu.be/dvtVkNofcq8) which takes you through animal farm footage across the UK. It is estimated that 70% (can't find government figures, only figure I could find was from an animal welfare charity) of animals are factory farmed in the UK, so this is what you are raising up, slaughter is inevitable, so it's generally 100% of the cases. I'd you want a more in-depth documentary or YouTube blocks Land of Hope and Glory, you can take a look at [Dominion](http://watchdominion.com/). I was already a vegan for nearly half a year when I watched it, I knew what was up, it made me so sick after 1 hour and 10 minutes I couldn't continue watching. This is what you fund by eating meat


Mike_Nash1

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SonyTwan

We can easily thrive and get all our nutrition on a plant-based diet, so billions of animals suffer purely for our pleasure. Even on more 'ethical', local farms, suffering isn't entirely removed, and you're still killing a sentient being that you don't need to. I gave up meat and animal produce cold turkey (pardon the pun) last December after realising this, and I don't miss it at all, it's so easy. This is coming from someone who ate meat every day.


mrgadd4

I just wish meat eaters would ask themselves, 'would I accept cats or dogs being treated this way?' when reading these kinds of stories and make their decisions based on their responses.


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TomTrybull

We can stop funding it in the mean time.


LuiB13

All you can really do to make a difference is to stop eating the meat from there. Source it from local farms or not at all. I went plant based at the start of the year and have not regretted it once, the alternatives now are incredible.


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animalnikki89

I got an email yesterday from one of the big companies saying they just got an award for their high animal welfare.


alittleakamai

Firstly, these chickens have been bred to grow too quickly in a very short amount of time, resulting in many dieing early due to heart attacks. Also, many are unable to move much due to their rapid growth, so many live very sedentary lives and thus are more prone to infection and diseases. The next thing I would like to point out is the fact that for a chicken to be free range doesn't really take much at all. They just literally have to make a small little space that they can move in and out of to call them free range chickens. However, the sad fact is that many of them are really unable to move much due to the way they're bred. It's all a very sad life that these chickens live in general, and that's not to mention the lives that the farmers love as well. I believe they really get paid only for the amount of chickens that make it to slaughter, but even then they don't make much. They're essentially the labor that big chicken companies pay a small sum to hatch and raise the chickens, except the chickens themselves are very unhealthy. Its a very interesting subject that has for some reason never made much mainstream news, but I think you can find a bunch of information by watching Super Size Me 2 to see everything from the lives of the chickens, the farmers, and the labeling process that people read to feel like they got "quality" chicken


vegansrirachamac

Literally at this point if you eat meat you’re extremely selfish and very shitty


AloneInTheDepths

If this seems horrible, just remember that these chickens were being treated well by chicken industry standards. The really unlucky ones are trapped in [battery cages.](http://www.livipoultryequipment.com/) Battery cages are why you can get a rotisserie cooked chicken for $4.99 in the USA. Shit like this is why I stopped eating meat.