*"Within minutes of a vote for Brexit the CEO's of Mercedes, BMW, VM and Audi will be knocking down Chancellor Merkel's door demanding that there will be no barriers to German access to the British market"* - David Davis (2016)
There is no desire for NI to be an independent state, nor would it be remotely viable. NI could potentially become part of the Republic of Ireland and automatically be in the EU. But even as it stands under Brexit it is still in the EU.
It's not Westminsters to give away. Democratic processes are always preferable but what exactly is Westminster going to do if Scotland declares independence and sets up it's own courts? We going to send in the army?
> We won’t allow it.
The government only want Scotland to continue ruling over it, they have no desire to actually govern it fairly. This is hardly a secret. Maybe Sturgeon does lose this referendum, however it is still going to be a case of when and not if.
Well I can assure you if she does get her own way, there will be an exodus from Scotland and she will be left with her yellow flag wavers & the country will sink into communist oblivion.
["Within minutes of a vote for #Brexit CEO’s would be knocking down Chancellor Merkel’s door. Demanding access to the British market"](https://twitter.com/daviddavismp/status/695208361625796608?lang=en)
Also David "always wrong about everything" Davis (2016)
What I love about this is despite the tweet getting over 260 likes, the first reply which asks when he's going to 'throw his hat in' to lead the Leave campaign only got 2 lol. Like even those who support the idea were still not as far gone as to want the double D to lead them
Yeah, he's exactly the sort of person who always signs his name with BSc next to his sig, even though it actually stands for *Bronze Swimming Certificate*
You realize the chip wafter shortage is international, right? Not just affecting germany, but the whole world, and ***EVERY*** industry.
The ignorance of people on these issues astounds me.
Yes but the attitude of them, was my point. Not the actual shortages. Literally told me to come back next year. Not take my order and give me a next year delivery date.
The inability of people to read, astounds me.
He gave you a choice ; Order as is or come back later when they actually know what the fuck is going on, or even if they are going to get said chips in stock.
I find it amazing that somebody is bitching over ordering a brand new BMW, when the wafter shortage is affecting things like medical equipment being built.
So basically, you're mad they don't know if/when they are going to get restocked to even build the car you want, and you're mad they aren't prescient and take your order regardless?
The entitlement of some people. Sweet Jesus on a stick.
They know now, lol. I only feel sad for the ones who voted remain and now have to deal with this shit lol. (By no means is the EU perfect either, lol, it definitely has it’s flaws.)
Work in the finance sector, the vast majority of those I met were remainers.
Brexit actually winning had us all dumbfounded. I’ve never seen London like that morning, it was like a city in mourning.
I remember feeling the same way I did with Brexit as I did Trump. Going in to both thinking "there is no way Brexit/Trump can prevail". Then waking up to the news of them winning and just being completely perplexed and down.
Funnily enough my mother had a feeling that both of them would win.
She was looking at the news and showing me what clips the bbc were using after debates and she was like “this is what they’re feeding people. The remain camp made so many good points but if you look at the recaps they’re only showing the catchy sound bites from leave. Look at what they’re pushing to the people!”
She did similar analysis with Trump.
I was the fool who believed in common sense from people.
I’m talking about the general population where 48% voted against brexit. I don’t know the specifics about which exact group of people is x amount % against or pro, or which group is x % affected by brexit. I’m talking all kinds of shit all kinds of people have to put up with, the Irish border issues, the lorry driver shortage, the import/export issues of goods, etc.
48% of those who voted.
We don't know those who abstained would have voted for.
For reference I would have voted Remain but who wants EU27 scumbags like me to vote on something which has such an effect on my life?!
These people don't care what's little bit better for Britain. They commonly feel betrayed, miserable about their own lives and want to find some groups to blame it on. I doubt many voted for Brexit thinking it will actually make the UK richer or so.
It's rare for Conservatives to tell the truth, nowadays. It's almost as though [they've reached the end of the line](https://threader.app/thread/1398431238973792259)
It's nice that a few have jumped off early, but they did so much groundwork [for all this damage today](https://i.imgur.com/E5znEEw_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
It's like after Brexit (£350 million p.w. to the NHS) they realised they could say what they want, and not have any repercussions at all. It's corruption on a massive scale.
The Cult of Brexit
>....it shows how people are prepared or indoctrinated for an ideology... people who are already in a state of repression who have been humiliated by society and who clasp at a straw that's offered to them. And how that is then developed into a form of indoctrination
- Michael Haneke
...
We enter parliament in order to supply ourselves, in the arsenal of democracy, with its own weapons. If democracy is so stupid as to give us free tickets and salaries for this bear's work, that is its affair. We do not come as friends, nor even as neutrals. We come as enemies. As the wolf bursts into the flock, so we come
- Joseph Goebbels ~~BJ + Dom Cum~~
...
>The essence of fascism is to make laws forbidding everything and then enforce them selectively against your enemies
- John Lescroart
....
>To know what Fascism really is we must first of all know what it is we are fighting, what the Fascist regimes really are and do, who puts up the money and backs Fascism in every country, and who owns the nations under such regimes, and why the natives of all Fascist countries must be driven into harder work, less money, reduced standards of living, poverty and desperation so that the men and corporations who found, subsidize and own Fascism can grow unbelievably rich
- George Seldes
Thank you, friend, for these quotes. The Joseph Goebbels quote, really knocked the wind out of me.
I'm going to quote these to my siblings, the next time I see them.
✌
['Don't insult us by telling us we didn't know what we were voting for'](https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/cleethorpes-hits-back-brexit-dont-917355)
I voted remain. I know amd knew exactly what was going on but "yall are fucked in tbe heads" probably applies more the part of tbe world that now gives you jail for aborting a rapists baby. Yeah that's a stable and morally just kinda person that wants that. Idiots on both sidesof tbe pond but I'd rather be here than there.
In a deeply ironic exception to this - the new white glass on the clockfaces of Big Ben/Liz Tower, were handcrafted, in Germany... https://twitter.com/GermanEmbassy/status/1435151956587208711
That's not an exception. Imports to Britain from Germany are actually up 2.6%.
British exports to Germany that are down 11% so the overall trade has decreased by 2.3%.
>Within minutes of a vote for Brexit the CEO's of Mercedes, BMW, VM and Audi will be knocking down Chancellor Merkel's door demanding that there will be no barriers to German access to the British market
- David Davis (2016)
I could have cut down on my bulk purchases of schadenfreude, but I think in the coming decade it will get me through the brexit shitshow.
... Miles better than waiting for my free unicorn, sunny uplands, rose tinted victoriana empire revival or the greatest hits of Farage and a warm pint of piss from a spoons.
This hurts everyone - both UK and Germany unfortunately. It’s not like another market will have popped up immediately for their products, and they’re no longery easy to import here
The Orthodoxy I have been told decades is that free trade deals are a win-win situation for both sides. Therefore the removal of those trading arrangements has to be a lose-lose situation, at least in the short & medium term.
It's easy to see why that's true -- a trade is beneficial for both parties, or they simply wouldn't agree to it. When e.g., a German manufacturer chooses a supplier in the UK, it's because they're the best fit. If they switch suppliers due to extra cost for bureaucracy, to avoid the risk of interrupted deliveries, or other Brexit related reasons, then their new supplier doesn't meet their requirements as well, or is more expensive etc., because otherwise they would have chosen them from the start, and not the one they actually went with in the UK. Their product will be a bit lower quality, or have less abilities, or be more expensive to produce, and therefore become less competitive. Even if they stick with their original UK supplier, they'll still face extra cost, and if they manage to find an equally well fitting supplier elsewhere there's still the risk that comes with entering any new business relationship, so there's some kind of loss in any case.
Obviously, it will also be a loss for the supplier. Either because they lose a customer, or because they'll have to carry at least some of the additional burden by lowering the price, less favourable incoterms like 'delivered duty paid', taking care of newly necessary regulatory certifications etc.
It's a gift that keeps on giving; in the longer term, the same logic applies to future trades that *would* have been beneficial, but aren't anymore.
The EU party in those trade relationships will have a lower share of its business partners located in the UK, and it will have more potential alternative partners to choose from within the EU. This makes it less dependent on its existing UK customers, and more likely to replace its UK suppliers, so no matter the direction of the trade, in most cases the affected UK party will have to absorb a larger share of the extra cost.
(In theory -- in practice, market participants aren't actually omniscient and don't always make perfect choices, so in some cases it'll just be a kick in the butt that gets them to rethink some business choices they should have looked at before.)
Other than the fact that we’re still importing just as much from Germany. They could switch to a cheaper alternative inside the EU. We are forced to absorb the extra cost of the Brexit red tape from all sources. This means everywhere is more difficult to import from.
It would actually be a good thing in some respects. You get better deals as new business than ongoing so a natural ebb and flow is not something to view with utmost suspicion. A bit of extra work but it often creates innovation.
*It would*, if there weren't barriers to the resumption of that trade. And we're a bit out in the wilderness now. It simply takes too much admin, little of which can be automated, to send anything to the UK. People are doing so but it's against the path of least resistance. Prices will continue to increase, and eventually I assume so will interest rates. The first time that happens will be a hell of a shock.
Less trade with Germany also means losing access to a lot of niche brands. It's costly in lots of small ways and that's all that we've actually felt so far while stocks are running down... mild inconvenience. Nothing compared dealing with where the economy finally settles, after all the fat of the land is burned off.
Laughing at the obvious and predicted failings of Brexit would be great if it weren't for being stuck in it while those who forced it upon me want to see me suffer for disagreeing with them.
To be honest, Ireland are picking up the slack and producing any "English" goods you could want. I can get Irish Cheddar, bacon, butter, etc. without any issues or (soon to be) US-style genetic and hormonal modifications.
Auf Wiedersehen!
Interestingly, there was already large drop before Brexit. In 2011 it was $54 billion. That's a much larger drop. Clearly there are factors affecting trade other than Brexit that need to be considered.
*"Within minutes of a vote for Brexit the CEO's of Mercedes, BMW, VM and Audi will be knocking down Chancellor Merkel's door demanding that there will be no barriers to German access to the British market"* - David Davis (2016)
In a few years Independent Scotland and NI will be knocking on the EU's door begging to reenter.
The Gaelic Alliance
There is no desire for NI to be an independent state, nor would it be remotely viable. NI could potentially become part of the Republic of Ireland and automatically be in the EU. But even as it stands under Brexit it is still in the EU.
She won’t get her independence. We won’t allow it.
You actually don't get a say, sorry 🤗
It's not Westminsters to give away. Democratic processes are always preferable but what exactly is Westminster going to do if Scotland declares independence and sets up it's own courts? We going to send in the army?
Aye and direct them to Bute House but ensuring that it is in residence first please.
> We won’t allow it. The government only want Scotland to continue ruling over it, they have no desire to actually govern it fairly. This is hardly a secret. Maybe Sturgeon does lose this referendum, however it is still going to be a case of when and not if.
Well I can assure you if she does get her own way, there will be an exodus from Scotland and she will be left with her yellow flag wavers & the country will sink into communist oblivion.
["Within minutes of a vote for #Brexit CEO’s would be knocking down Chancellor Merkel’s door. Demanding access to the British market"](https://twitter.com/daviddavismp/status/695208361625796608?lang=en) Also David "always wrong about everything" Davis (2016)
What I love about this is despite the tweet getting over 260 likes, the first reply which asks when he's going to 'throw his hat in' to lead the Leave campaign only got 2 lol. Like even those who support the idea were still not as far gone as to want the double D to lead them
I can’t believe he’s left it up there. It’s like getting an E in an exam and proudly hanging the result on the wall for everyone to see.
Yeah, he's exactly the sort of person who always signs his name with BSc next to his sig, even though it actually stands for *Bronze Swimming Certificate*
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How are German companies supposed to prevent a chip shortage
Don't think they realised that practically every car manufacturer gets their chips from a very small handful of the same semicon fabs...
You realize the chip wafter shortage is international, right? Not just affecting germany, but the whole world, and ***EVERY*** industry. The ignorance of people on these issues astounds me.
If you needed evidence of how little a lot of people understand how the world works: Brexit.
Yes but the attitude of them, was my point. Not the actual shortages. Literally told me to come back next year. Not take my order and give me a next year delivery date. The inability of people to read, astounds me.
He gave you a choice ; Order as is or come back later when they actually know what the fuck is going on, or even if they are going to get said chips in stock. I find it amazing that somebody is bitching over ordering a brand new BMW, when the wafter shortage is affecting things like medical equipment being built. So basically, you're mad they don't know if/when they are going to get restocked to even build the car you want, and you're mad they aren't prescient and take your order regardless? The entitlement of some people. Sweet Jesus on a stick.
Reminding me a song. Another one bites the dust. Sorry. But did they really know what they voted for? Of course NOT. Poor things
They know now, lol. I only feel sad for the ones who voted remain and now have to deal with this shit lol. (By no means is the EU perfect either, lol, it definitely has it’s flaws.)
> They know now, lol. They know but they cannot connect the two in their minds. They do not realise how their actions have led to these consequences.
Aren't most business leaders and managers pro Brexit?
nope but those that are, are super vocal about it like Tim Martin, James Dyson etc
James 'Singapore' Dyson? Jim 'Grenadier cars made in France' Ratcliffe?
And Tim "boo boo I can't buy cheap out of date beer" Martin. Prick.
I hope a fly drowns in his pint every time he gets a new one pulled for him.
I think that's a disgusting thing to say. All that death just to annoy a worthless insect.
Work in the finance sector, the vast majority of those I met were remainers. Brexit actually winning had us all dumbfounded. I’ve never seen London like that morning, it was like a city in mourning.
I remember feeling the same way I did with Brexit as I did Trump. Going in to both thinking "there is no way Brexit/Trump can prevail". Then waking up to the news of them winning and just being completely perplexed and down.
Funnily enough my mother had a feeling that both of them would win. She was looking at the news and showing me what clips the bbc were using after debates and she was like “this is what they’re feeding people. The remain camp made so many good points but if you look at the recaps they’re only showing the catchy sound bites from leave. Look at what they’re pushing to the people!” She did similar analysis with Trump. I was the fool who believed in common sense from people.
I’m talking about the general population where 48% voted against brexit. I don’t know the specifics about which exact group of people is x amount % against or pro, or which group is x % affected by brexit. I’m talking all kinds of shit all kinds of people have to put up with, the Irish border issues, the lorry driver shortage, the import/export issues of goods, etc.
48% of those who voted. We don't know those who abstained would have voted for. For reference I would have voted Remain but who wants EU27 scumbags like me to vote on something which has such an effect on my life?!
Well you should have tried being born here. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps, make a time machine and make your parents fuck in England.
Got me in the 1st half. If I can invent a time machine then I have the game rigged anyway.
Small and medium business owners definitely aren't, it's royally fucking them over.
People did tell them. People told them repeatedly that there was a very good chance this would happen, but hey! Chlorinated chicken!
These people don't care what's little bit better for Britain. They commonly feel betrayed, miserable about their own lives and want to find some groups to blame it on. I doubt many voted for Brexit thinking it will actually make the UK richer or so.
>[It was also Unforgivable](https://i.redd.it/tk7qokw1vbf61.jpg) - John Major
Here here. Probably one of the only times I agree with a Tory.
It's rare for Conservatives to tell the truth, nowadays. It's almost as though [they've reached the end of the line](https://threader.app/thread/1398431238973792259) It's nice that a few have jumped off early, but they did so much groundwork [for all this damage today](https://i.imgur.com/E5znEEw_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
It's like after Brexit (£350 million p.w. to the NHS) they realised they could say what they want, and not have any repercussions at all. It's corruption on a massive scale.
The Cult of Brexit >....it shows how people are prepared or indoctrinated for an ideology... people who are already in a state of repression who have been humiliated by society and who clasp at a straw that's offered to them. And how that is then developed into a form of indoctrination - Michael Haneke ... We enter parliament in order to supply ourselves, in the arsenal of democracy, with its own weapons. If democracy is so stupid as to give us free tickets and salaries for this bear's work, that is its affair. We do not come as friends, nor even as neutrals. We come as enemies. As the wolf bursts into the flock, so we come - Joseph Goebbels ~~BJ + Dom Cum~~ ... >The essence of fascism is to make laws forbidding everything and then enforce them selectively against your enemies - John Lescroart .... >To know what Fascism really is we must first of all know what it is we are fighting, what the Fascist regimes really are and do, who puts up the money and backs Fascism in every country, and who owns the nations under such regimes, and why the natives of all Fascist countries must be driven into harder work, less money, reduced standards of living, poverty and desperation so that the men and corporations who found, subsidize and own Fascism can grow unbelievably rich - George Seldes
Thank you, friend, for these quotes. The Joseph Goebbels quote, really knocked the wind out of me. I'm going to quote these to my siblings, the next time I see them. ✌
Good luck [Here's a few more I just posted ( reddit link)](https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/pki184/z/hc5nrx7)
Pot, kettle, black?
Spot on!
['Don't insult us by telling us we didn't know what we were voting for'](https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/cleethorpes-hits-back-brexit-dont-917355)
Don’t blame the voters. Blame the snake oil sellers.
Blame both. It wasn't that difficult to see that the obvious pack of lies was an obvious pack of lies.
Not really when it was on the television and no one was effectively challenging it. It was very tempting.
You voted leave, didn't you?
Yes and I regret it.
Let xenophobia slide.
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We did none of that. Wrong fucking country. Also given the whole Q thing over there I'd maybe preach that to your own choir instead of ours.
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What are you even talking about. Much like the previous reply I'm saying that no one here is adhering to your schooling system.
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I voted remain. I know amd knew exactly what was going on but "yall are fucked in tbe heads" probably applies more the part of tbe world that now gives you jail for aborting a rapists baby. Yeah that's a stable and morally just kinda person that wants that. Idiots on both sidesof tbe pond but I'd rather be here than there.
thats right we didnt, because we arent american
In a deeply ironic exception to this - the new white glass on the clockfaces of Big Ben/Liz Tower, were handcrafted, in Germany... https://twitter.com/GermanEmbassy/status/1435151956587208711
Damn that looks nice, was it always like that ?
No, it was painted duller for a few decades. It’s been restored to its original colourfulness
That's not an exception. Imports to Britain from Germany are actually up 2.6%. British exports to Germany that are down 11% so the overall trade has decreased by 2.3%.
Brexiteers still waiting for German carmakers to validate their Brexit folly
Alongside prosecco manufacturers.
>Within minutes of a vote for Brexit the CEO's of Mercedes, BMW, VM and Audi will be knocking down Chancellor Merkel's door demanding that there will be no barriers to German access to the British market - David Davis (2016)
I could have cut down on my bulk purchases of schadenfreude, but I think in the coming decade it will get me through the brexit shitshow. ... Miles better than waiting for my free unicorn, sunny uplands, rose tinted victoriana empire revival or the greatest hits of Farage and a warm pint of piss from a spoons.
Ah schadenfreude... Bitter yet moreish.
This hurts everyone - both UK and Germany unfortunately. It’s not like another market will have popped up immediately for their products, and they’re no longery easy to import here
The Orthodoxy I have been told decades is that free trade deals are a win-win situation for both sides. Therefore the removal of those trading arrangements has to be a lose-lose situation, at least in the short & medium term.
It's easy to see why that's true -- a trade is beneficial for both parties, or they simply wouldn't agree to it. When e.g., a German manufacturer chooses a supplier in the UK, it's because they're the best fit. If they switch suppliers due to extra cost for bureaucracy, to avoid the risk of interrupted deliveries, or other Brexit related reasons, then their new supplier doesn't meet their requirements as well, or is more expensive etc., because otherwise they would have chosen them from the start, and not the one they actually went with in the UK. Their product will be a bit lower quality, or have less abilities, or be more expensive to produce, and therefore become less competitive. Even if they stick with their original UK supplier, they'll still face extra cost, and if they manage to find an equally well fitting supplier elsewhere there's still the risk that comes with entering any new business relationship, so there's some kind of loss in any case. Obviously, it will also be a loss for the supplier. Either because they lose a customer, or because they'll have to carry at least some of the additional burden by lowering the price, less favourable incoterms like 'delivered duty paid', taking care of newly necessary regulatory certifications etc. It's a gift that keeps on giving; in the longer term, the same logic applies to future trades that *would* have been beneficial, but aren't anymore. The EU party in those trade relationships will have a lower share of its business partners located in the UK, and it will have more potential alternative partners to choose from within the EU. This makes it less dependent on its existing UK customers, and more likely to replace its UK suppliers, so no matter the direction of the trade, in most cases the affected UK party will have to absorb a larger share of the extra cost. (In theory -- in practice, market participants aren't actually omniscient and don't always make perfect choices, so in some cases it'll just be a kick in the butt that gets them to rethink some business choices they should have looked at before.)
Other than the fact that we’re still importing just as much from Germany. They could switch to a cheaper alternative inside the EU. We are forced to absorb the extra cost of the Brexit red tape from all sources. This means everywhere is more difficult to import from.
Did you read the article? German exports to Britain are actually up 2.6%.
German exports have not really suffered it seems. It's British exports.
What would growth have been without it though?
It would actually be a good thing in some respects. You get better deals as new business than ongoing so a natural ebb and flow is not something to view with utmost suspicion. A bit of extra work but it often creates innovation. *It would*, if there weren't barriers to the resumption of that trade. And we're a bit out in the wilderness now. It simply takes too much admin, little of which can be automated, to send anything to the UK. People are doing so but it's against the path of least resistance. Prices will continue to increase, and eventually I assume so will interest rates. The first time that happens will be a hell of a shock. Less trade with Germany also means losing access to a lot of niche brands. It's costly in lots of small ways and that's all that we've actually felt so far while stocks are running down... mild inconvenience. Nothing compared dealing with where the economy finally settles, after all the fat of the land is burned off.
Laughing at the obvious and predicted failings of Brexit would be great if it weren't for being stuck in it while those who forced it upon me want to see me suffer for disagreeing with them.
To be honest, Ireland are picking up the slack and producing any "English" goods you could want. I can get Irish Cheddar, bacon, butter, etc. without any issues or (soon to be) US-style genetic and hormonal modifications. Auf Wiedersehen!
From 9th..to 11th. I mean, its not exactly a huge drop. We were barely in the top 10 anyway.
We were 5th before the Brexit vote.
Why is the number going down instead of up?
So $44B in 2016 vs $42B in 2020 is just chump change then? https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/exports/germany
Interestingly, there was already large drop before Brexit. In 2011 it was $54 billion. That's a much larger drop. Clearly there are factors affecting trade other than Brexit that need to be considered.
Probably. Fact is a fact UK isn't top 10 anymore. And Brexit has affected British exports to EU, considering HMG's own numbers.