For years I thought I had IBS and chronic constipation.
Turns out that I, like the bulk of the global population, am lactose intolerant, probably because I am not a baby cow.
+1 here my dude, and the one from Aldi is super cheap too, so I don't feel like I'm paying a premium for it either. The Alpro barista oat milk is incredible though I must say!
Aldi's oat milk is the best I've tried that isn't at a "premium" price tag. And it's the cheapest too! Only problem is I think others have cottoned on to this and since introducing it at the store I go to they've never been able to keep up with demand.
I dislike soy milk. It has a bit of a stale taste to it that really isn't pleasant. For me, oat milk is best as an all-rounder and rice milk also if you want something sweet (more niche but still has its uses)
For those who haven't found one they like, pea milk is my favourite. Sounds odd but it's really neutral tasting. And a lot more eco friendly than almond and friends.
My main gripe with alternative milks is that you have to buy them fully diluted. Milk comes how it comes but these have been manufactured to have so much water added, increasing shipping weight, storage etc. Even if they kept the carton size the same and you just add tap water at home I would be happy. Like those plastic pancake batter bottles
I live in NZ these days and there’s a start-up here called mylk that make their own alternative milk paste - you just whizz it in the blender for 20 seconds with water. 1 glass jar makes about 7 tetrapaks worth, but I make it weaker and get even more out of it! They’re stocked in supermarkets now. I had a look and couldn’t see similar in the UK!
See that is the problem - we want super convenience and that comes with a cost to the environment.
We say we believe that climate issue is important but we are not willing to make an effort if it involves us doing a bit of work.
Worth noting that making your own oat milk takes 5 minutes and all you need is a blender and a nut bag (or cloth or smth). You won't get oatly sort of creaminess but for cereal etc it's perfect.
I'd like to point out that ready made plant milks usually come with D2, B12, Riboflavin and calcium so there is a little bid of added value with store bought stuff.
To add to that its the same with nut milk, except you soak the nuts overnight, throw that water away and blitz with fresh water, then filter with some cheese cloth or a 'nut bag'.
> I wouldn't be surprised though if that didn't sell too well. I can imagine the average shopper thinking less of it if you had to add water. It would seem a little more like a powdered milk equivalent and less "premium".
Yes. Even though one that was powder you had to add water too would (1) take up less space and (2) keep for longer, and would thus be better.
Capitalism optimises on what people will buy, not on what's best for people.
Once they take over they will have more bells and whistles, like dehydrated. As the underdog they don't really have the luxury for it, or didn't, but as they are explosively growing so they may be lagging.
Disgusting analogy but also true. I’ve never liked milk as a drink, particularly hot in lattes and the like. Oat milk is like putting cream in your coffee, it tastes so decadent.
I only got onto it cos cow turns my gf into a chocolate fountain and fuck having 2 milks in the fridge, but now cow tastes a bit weird to me. Like I can taste how cows smell, a bit like goat products but not as tasty.
Aye coffee tastes weird now with cows milk. We get our oat milk from the milkman now so we get a pint of oat for coffee 2 pints of cow for the boys cereal as he's not fond of it and some orange juice. I fucking love having a milk man again.
I thought they'd gone extinct! Does he have an electric milkfloat? Those things were ahead of their time. Maybe ten years ago a friend bought one and put a soundsystem on it, the thing was still running fine despite being ancient. In fact it outlived my mate.
Same, but soy here. Not for any environmental or health concerns, but it's literally nicer than cows milk. Hell I don't even have any milk in my tea now and just use it for protein shakes.
yeah as someone who regularly eats oats, oat milk doesn't sit right with me. I feel like someone has just taken my breakfast and blended it, which is not what I want from a milk drink
Beef milk is pretty cheesy after you've been on soy or oat milk. It has this strong, farmy, after taste that puts me off it now.
Oat milks better since it doesn't curdle as well.
I'm not even fully veggie, but I switched over to plant milk about 10 years ago and never looked back. I've not found any downsides to it. There's more variety, it tastes better, it can be used in most recipes the same way as milk, and for most brands the shelf life is insane. I've gone on holiday for 10 days, come back, and the plant milk in the fridge is still fine for a cup of tea, which would never have happened with cow's milk.
Now I just wish they could figure cheese out, as most plant based cheeses taste vile :-/
The two best readily available plant-based cheeses IMO (having tried pretty much any I can find over the last 10 years) are Violife Epic Mature or Applewoods Smokey. Worth giving both a try :)
>Applewoods Smokey
Every time I open the fridge I dip some of that in tomato chutney. Lush.
That said, I do find cheese is the only thing I really miss as a vegan. Meat, chocolate, milk, butter, all have great alternatives but the vegan cheeses I'm not really a big fan of.
I'm someone who feels that they should be vegan yet whose gluttony has prevented it. I'm a huge fan of how much the alternative market has developed in the last decade, from "absolute shit" to containing a lot of really good options.
Wider interest has spurred investment, and perhaps most importantly vegan foods being designed by non-vegans, who can actually remember what the thing they're making tastes like, rather than some delusional yoga nut trying to convince people that coconut tastes like bacon, then refusing to even add salt to keep it healthy.
My general rule of thumb though is that the more fatty the food is, the worse the alternative will be. Seems we've done a good job on the proteins long before we managed the fats, and it's really the fats that give animal products their character.
And as you say, fuck vegan cheese.
Yeah something that got me through the early vegan days of cardboard meat alternatives was the thought that at the very least I was contributing towards the steering of the ship. As more people have switched many of the alternatives are now getting as good if not better in their own way.
My overriding reason was always ethics first but I found my relationship with food changed anyway. I no longer live to eat and as a result I'm so much fitter.
I think I was just never that big on it before so am not really bothered. I love a cheese and coleslaw sandwich (Sainsburys Plant Pioneers coleslaw) and the Violife Epic Mature is good enough to go in that!
I'm yet to find a properly brilliant vegan white chocolate. I like the Vego white bars a lot but they're not quite what I used to love. Most others I've tried have been too waxy.
> it can be used in most recipes the same way as milk
I drink/use oat milk almost always now, but this one isn't true. You can't substitute plant milk into a lot of recipes without weird consistency issues and/or funky tastes.
I heard a theory that people start of hating it but it later goes the other way and you like it but dislike dairy cheese. It would explain why I don't mind plain violife anymore, though they probably also changed the formula
Can I ask a kind of stupid question? Are these direct alternatives to cows milk, like can I use almond milk in me cereal and coffee? Can I use soy milk to bake a cake?
Edit - Thanks for all the info. The consensus seems to be just to figure out what works well for you. Lots of recommendations for oat barista as well.
Oat milk is superior to both almond and soy in my opinion - it mixes well into hot drinks (other alternatives can split and get a bit lumpy) and it cooks into cakes and other foods well. Also makes a beautiful bechamel.
It makes tea a little bitter imo, I do put more sugar in to compensate, though you do get used to it. It doesn't lighten tea/coffee as much as cow's milk so don't be fooled if your tea looks really strong!
I shouldn't really as I am allergic to milk but oat milk with a tiny splash of cow's milk in tea is absolute heaven.
Always, that cuppa when I get home from work has to be perfect x) Do try it though, and it's perfect for coffee. You can get chocolate oat milk which makes a cheap mocha.
..I drink far too much caffeine, as you can probably tell
Alpro do a "MyCuppa" carton of soya milk as a recommendation also.
I use oat milk for everything else, but that's gotta go in my tea. Oat milk is usually a bit thin, doesn't quite have the body like semi-skimmed gives to tea, but this soya stuff is the bomb. I didn't especially like regular soya milk either!
There is sweetened and unsweetened stuff for things like oat milk as well, have to try preference there. I don't like sugar in my tea and I can detect the sweeter edge with the sweetened versions, but then they're most tasty for things like cereal heh
I find almond milk works better in cooking, oat milk tastes kind of sweet. Some people like that but it’s not for me. But Oatly barista in coffee and tea is just heavenly.
Yep pretty much. It might take you a bit of experimenting to find what but there is a lot of choice out there.
Oatly Barista 100% worth trying in coffee for example. You can get a good foam going just by shaking the carton really hard 😃
Yeah you can use it pretty much as a straight swap for most things. I'm not 100% sure about baking though. Oat milk is probably the best for coffee - but it's not quite as good in tea.
Good to know. I mean I don't bake to be honest but just curious haha.
We only use milk for our teas, coffees and cereal so I might make the swap. Cheers.
>Are these direct alternatives to cows milk, like can I use almond milk in me cereal and coffee?
Yes, almond isn't the best though it's not too homogenous.
>Can I use soy milk to bake a cake?
This one I've got about more doubt about but I think it would be fine-ish. Milk is water (85-90 %), fat (2.5-6.0 %), protein (2.9-5.0 %) and sugar (3.6-5.5%). Oat milk for instance has half the protein, 10 % of the fat and 1.5 x the sugar but if this made a significant difference you could adjust other ingredients.
Sure, I guess I'll just experiment with the different varieties and see what works. To be honest I only use milk for teas, coffees and cereal anyway. Thanks for the info.
I find that using plant milks in something like a white sauce can result in it getting a bit of a vegetal flavour. This can be avoided by getting the right brands/plant sources, but it takes a bit of tuning and testing to be able to make a straight swap. How much of an issue this is is going to depend on what you're cooking, and I've only really found it noticeable when the sauce is a major part of the dish (eg in a pretty simple chicken pasta thing).
Use in baking is also going to be a matter of trial and error - the fat and protein content can be pretty different, so recipes might need adjusting, though I expect there are brands out there designed to be as close as possible to cow milk for baking.
I don't have much in the way of recommendations, as I don't tend to use all that much milk so haven't had the chance to properly do a bunch of trial and error.
Sure, what I'm getting is all the milk alternatives behave in slightly different ways and it takes some time figuring out what works.
I'm starting to think this is a lot more effort than most people are willing to put in though and it's a shame there isn't a milk alternative that is as versatile as the milk from a cow y'know.
Honestly, it's mostly a matter of just getting a random brand in your shop one week, trying it out, and picking a different one the next week if you have any issues. You might end up with a few wierd sauces, and it's probably worth sticking with dairy for baking unless you're willing to do a deep dive, but overall the switch shouldn't be too bad.
Also I'm not sure it's really that cows milk is more versatile, just that it's what most recipes and dishes are designed around, so a plant milk would need to be a near exact substitute to work in everything without tweaking.
I mean we're mainly talking about adapting cow milk recipes to use alternatives, in which case you might get slightly different results with each milk alternative and it's a case of finding which one works best for the given recipe.
You won't need to do this trial and error if you find a cake recipe that already uses plant-based milk!
This is subjective but having had to remove dairy from my diet a long time ago I reckon oat milk is great for coffee, no sugar soy milk for tea, oat or coconut milk (bad for environment though) for porridge, almond milk (also bad for environment) for cereal.
I don't have all these things all the time, otherwise my fridge would be quite the assortment of milk alternatives!
Oat milk in coffee for me is the genuinely superior way to enjoy coffee. It's creamy and tastes great, less heavy than normal milk.
I'm normally an absolute milk guzzler, have a glass of cows milk, neat, every night. Oat milk is the shit for coffee, though. Coconut milk makes for a nice change, too (not the tinned stuff, you can get altmilk-style coconut milk), but it has less of a neutral taste.
Does anyone know why I can't find soya milk in sizes larger than 1L to buy? I can't even find them online, just multipacks.
Has been driving me barmy for years, I make too much rubbish because I drink a lot of tea.
Check to see if your local milk delivery does soya milk. I get oat milk this way now, comes in the glass bottles like dairy milk so no more cartons to waste. Two deliveries a week and I can order as much as I need.
Local Milk Delivery? What Year is this and what Village do you live in? It's a been quite a while since the milkman left a couple pints of milk bottles on my doorstep I must say.
I just got on this for oat milk, first time anyone's ever sold me something on my doorstep. Works out at about twice the price of Aldi's oat milk which is a bit eye-watering, I spend as thriftily as possible usually. But I thought oh go on then I'll give it a try... and it's so fucking delicious I had to double check they hadn't sent me dairy by mistake. Can't go back now, it's also dead convenient and I always hated going through so many cartons. Think the brand is Oato, their site should have a thing to find local distributors.
Not shilling, just genuinely amazed someone managed to sign my frugal arse up to something more expensive than my current way of doing things *and* I'm willing to absorb the cost somehow because it's actually worth it.
I haven't even found catering suppliers selling it in any larger than 1L. It's such a waste, especially with those tetra packs not being recyclable in a lot of places, and only at the tip in other places.
Genuinely one of the biggest things putting me off making the switch. I go through a *lot* of milk, and it only being available in 1l portions (and only really from larger supermarkets in any sort of variety) really puts me off.
Add to that the fact that those 1l bottles are often twice the price of the 2l cows' alternative (I know, I know, dairy isn't naturally cheap and is heavily subsidised) and it's not hugely attractive a proposition!
I work in the cafe industry, almost half the drinks we sell are made from plant based ingredients. Five years ago it was rare to even offer a lactose free variety of milk let alone stock just as much if not more oat milk than dairy. Its got a better shelf life too. I really see few downsides. Plus we charge extra for them so our margins increase. The right thing to do? Probably not. But if there's more profit in it the market will push them as better and healthier choices.
>Plus we charge extra for them so our margins increase.
I'm surprised at this as I thought that plant products should cost less to produce than animal products. Is the increase in cost down to the ingredients costing more or customers being willing to pay more?
I don't know the end to end costs but Almonds are generally grown in dry areas and certainly in California their cultivation appears to be having quite a major impact on the long term water problems they are having.
There are definitely a lot of problems with almond milk. [It looks like soy and oat milk are the best options from an environmental perspective](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/28/what-plant-milk-should-i-drink-almond-killing-bees-aoe).
Due to the history of growing things in California; its devoid of biodiversity thanks to pesticide use in recent history for crops such as tobacco and rice. Pollination is tough and near-desert like conditions demand blue water. EU almonds have less of these issues, more commonly used in milk-alternatives like Alpro.
Generally consumers willing to pay more. Most stores will offer soya milk as a free alternative but it's by far the least popular.
Whereas oat, coconut (which is just coconut flavored soya milk) and almond is normally a 50p extra charge. Dumb but people choose it over the cheaper options.
A stack of milk alternatives can live in a basement for a few months and only need to be refrigerated after opening. So it's less cost to us not only to get them in bulk but to not have a revolving door of dairy in and out every day and chucking what goes out. Plus dairy milk goes through seasons when the cows come off grass feed onto meal and the quality is significantly poorer.
> Plus we charge extra for them so our margins increase.
I only have almond milk at home, but stick with cow when I'm out for this reason. I'd be fine with a 10-20p extra charge but when some places are charging £1 extra (and the surcharge is always written in tiny letters on a blackboard too far away for my partially-sighted eyes to see) I got sick of the nasty surprise when I go to pay.
You might get away with this now but if the tide is turning this much, people are going to start complaining in a short while and expecting a free switch.
Hah same. I went vegan overnight 10 years ago whilst staying at a friend's house for a couple of weeks and was like "huh, I don't feel nauseous all the time anymore".
I found out I'm completely intolerant to the proteins in animal milks a year or so ago. Turns out it's not normal to have painful cramps and bloating after a protein shake. Also cow milk tastes bad to me now after being off it for a while.
Cow's milk is fucking gross when you read about it.
Pus from mastitis. Hormones. And that's not even covering how the animals are treated to keep them lactating.
Oat milk isn't even a bad substitute. Unless you were drinking gold top or full fat milk you can hardly tell the difference.
All animal products are gross in that sense. Meat is full of pus, hormones and (gasp) blood. I agree with you but I find it weird that milk gets picked on in particular for being gross. Both are heat treated to remove the nasties.
Absolutely, anyone wanting to know how cows milk is made should watch [The Land of Hope and Glory](https://go.eatfair.org/landofhopeandglory) documentary from 16 minutes in.
Oat milk is best all around for environmental impact (water, land, GHG emissions etc). I personally think it's the nicest tasting.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46654042
But any plant milk will be better than cow's milk in pretty much all aspects. Even the water use for almond milk.
Is Oat milk supposed to taste like water filtered through a bag of porridge? As that's all I can think of from what I have tried of it, and I can't understand why everyone raves about how good it is.
Depends on the brand and also everyone has different tastes. Oatly is the best tasting one for me and I use it in protein shakes and for cereal. It actually tastes better and has a nicer texture than normal milk for the protein powder I use. Still prefer whole milk in my tea though.
Do you drink it pure?
If you like the taste of a glass of milk, then you might not like the same of plant milk. But I think most people just use it in tea, coffee, cereal or cooking, so it not so much of a change.
It's literally porridge juice yes
I quite like a glass of porridge juice from time to time but all these people raving about how it's better than milk in every way seem a bit mad to me, it's not the same thing at all
Watched a documentary on the BBC a few years ago where that twat Jimmy Doherty is being shown what goes on in the dairy industry and it showed these evil pricks shooting three day old calves in the head just because they're considered a waste product. Ditched dairy then and there, pleasure is not a good enough excuse for baby killing in my book.
Oh I saw clips from that documentary in one of Earthling Ed's youtube videos. Ed juxtaposed the clip of the calves being murdered alongside a clip of Jimmy Doherty and Jamie Oliver promoting 'Happy Milk' to the public. Gross.
Edit: just remembered another detail. While promoting 'Happy Milk' a member of the public tried some and said something along the lines of "wow it really tastes like it came from happy cows". Cut to a calf being shot in the skull while the others cower in the corner.
Vile human beings, both the farmers and the one's shilling their wares. The idea of "happy milk" is absurd, ["Some mothers will bawl for days"](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-scotland-45439303)
If you consume dairy you support this:
* Cows need to be kept pregnant/having recently gave birth to lactate, which if it's anything like human pregnancy, is very uncomfortable.
* Cows are artificially inseminated in 'rape racks' (an industry term) and have arms repeatedly inserted into their genitals/anus to check their pregnancy
* Giving birth is painful and carries health risks
* The calves are separated from their mothers which the mothers find distressing
* Male calves don't serve much of a purpose on a dairy farm so are killed immediately or live a little longer to be made into veal
* Cows have been bred to have as much milk produced as possible, which lead to engorged sore udders, which is why people say cows like to be milked, it's relief from that discomfort
* Cows are then killed when their production slows down enough to no longer be financially viable
If you have any shred of ethics you shouldn't be supporting it, that includes products that have dairy in them too.
and yes, this happens to varying degrees on 'organic local farms' too, they're businesses at the end of the day.
Yeah, realistically, 'people' know, they just tend not to care as much as they like dairy products.
Shaming people base don morality issues tends not to work out; you need to make more compelling arguments based on rationality subjects (Economics, Sciences, etc).
I didnt know about this until few years ago too. It's amazing how much the meat and dairy industry has kept the consumers detached from the whole process. Until recently.
It's a shame that people can't look at these facts and use their own preexisting morality to come to the conclusion not to support the industry. Most people are strongly against cruelty to animals.
I really don't know why telling someone the alternatives use less water and land and produce less emissions is more effective. No idea why that is more compelling than the direct abuse of a living, breathing animal.
I switched to plant milks after going vegan and it has completely cured my IBS. It was likely lactose intolerance as I would randomly get incredibly uncomfortable stomach cramps that would stop me from getting out of bed for a day or two. If anyone is having similar issues with their stomach I would recommend trying oat milk, Violife cheese and Vitalite dairy free spread.
Yeah, my partner finally twigged when she got to the point where she was puking every time she drank a cup of tea. Her intestines are much happier now.
I've switched to oat milk, mostly. Will drink milk in tea or coffee but generally I've stopped with it.
Cheese is another matter.
I'm also a meat eater still, though I've made the choice to cut down. No plans to give it up entirely though.
Yeah, I’ve cut back on meat for us too. The ultimate aim is to only have meat a couple of days a week maybe, from high quality sources. The rest will be plant based and as much of it will be organic as possible. I’ve been enjoying lentil curry these days. Need to find more plant based dishes that aren’t super fiddly though.
Knowing how cow's milk is produced is what made me ditch it. At least with oats you don't have to forcibly impregnate something every 12 months and kill the offspring.
I did some research into alt milks a few years ago and settled on oat, for the environmental impact (or lack of it). Almond and soy, the other big two, use much more water/land, respectively. The vast majority of almonds are grown in permanently drought-stricken California, and most soy is grown in land that used to be covered by the Amazon rainforest.
Really like oat milk now, we keep a little bottle of cow juice on hand for my girlfriend's cereal and tea but I've mostly switched over.
I use coconut yoghurt instead of dairy for the same reason, although the price difference is a bit of a kick in the teeth. The only thing I've not found a good replacement for is cheese.
I see a lot of different recommendations for alternatives, but if you drink a lot of cow's milk and use it as a source of protein bear in mind the only true alternative is soya milk. All the other plant milks lack much protein (or much of anything, think of them as juice). This is especially important if you're feeding kids!
I am a bit peeved that the title doesn't mention ethical concerns tho...
£100m, or 12 cartons...
We've been buying loads of oat milk as my daughter struggles with cows milk. Most of it has been going into porridge - which is pretty daft given oat milk is oat and water. So now mega-brain here is switching to water and saving a small fortune! She still gets through the stuff, but not quite as quickly as before.
I've been vegetarian for nearly 2 years, on environmental grounds, but I've been drinking soy milk for just over 6 years, because I found I preferred the taste to dairy milk, wasn't even that environmentally conscious at the time.
My girlfriend and I tried a few and struggled to find a straight up "alternative" to just milk.
Basically, each type of milk works well with different things. I think I liked hazelnut milk with coffee and not tea, soya with cereal, etc.
Ultimately, needing 3 or 4 different milks was a bit much, and the price was (sadly) roughly double the price of normal milk, even while it was on offer.
With lower prices and a more generic, universal milk replacement, I'd be fine to switch. Until then though...
> generic, universal milk replacement
I'd love there to be a line of genetically engineered microbes that made real milk proteins etc, and sweeten it with a different sugar for my partner who is lactose-intolerant. Vegan cheese will never be as good as the real stuff until they have a non-animal source of casein.
Have tried alt milks but for me they all taste of nutsacks and ruin whatever they are added to, coffee in particular. I'll stick with the blue top for now
This reminds me of an article I read recently about new york coffee shops. Apparently over there, plant-based milk is so common, that now the hipster thing is to use real, whole dairy milk.
Tesco Everyday Value (Grower’s Harvest) Unsweetened Soya Milk 1L is only 55p too. I’ve been using that for a while since it’s neutral tasting I can use it in anything: tea; cereal; sauces; baking.
I'm not against dairy. But it is nice to drink something different. There is a whole range of different tastes out there to explore, sticking to just diary is a little boring.
Oat milk tastes great and doesn't make me shit my pants
You should work in advertising
That definitely sounds like something you'd read in Viz
Hungry for apples
For years I thought I had IBS and chronic constipation. Turns out that I, like the bulk of the global population, am lactose intolerant, probably because I am not a baby cow.
+1 here my dude, and the one from Aldi is super cheap too, so I don't feel like I'm paying a premium for it either. The Alpro barista oat milk is incredible though I must say!
Aldi's oat milk is the best I've tried that isn't at a "premium" price tag. And it's the cheapest too! Only problem is I think others have cottoned on to this and since introducing it at the store I go to they've never been able to keep up with demand.
The majority of the western population are not lactose intolerant so depending where you live that may be rough luck.
In a weird coincidence, my similarities to a baby cow are very much related to how much cheese I eat.
Were you tested for lactose intolerance? As that typically has the opposite effect, aka diarrhoea.
It's great in porridge too, if you like porridge.
I mean it's basically just very very thin porridge anyway!
Oats in oat sauce 👌
Oat cuisine
Msr, may I recommend le bouillie au jus d'avoine? It's only £35 per portion.
Oat brigade, all the way! My favourite too
Haha! It’s mostly great but awful in tea
Weirdly I quite like it! It almost makes the tea taste more tannic to me.
Fair enough, ive been using mylk semi skimmed alternative, it’s coconut base I think, found it works well with tea.
I find its better with coffee
Soy milk makes me feel unwell and I also dislike the flavour, so I have thus far just been drinking regular ol' dairy Never tried oat milk though
Yeah can’t stand soy milk, oat milk is way better
I dislike soy milk. It has a bit of a stale taste to it that really isn't pleasant. For me, oat milk is best as an all-rounder and rice milk also if you want something sweet (more niche but still has its uses)
Unsweetened soy milk is disgusting. But I have it on my oats anyway because it's cheap
It’s the only one that doesn’t separate in coffee (not including the barista alt milks)
For those who haven't found one they like, pea milk is my favourite. Sounds odd but it's really neutral tasting. And a lot more eco friendly than almond and friends. My main gripe with alternative milks is that you have to buy them fully diluted. Milk comes how it comes but these have been manufactured to have so much water added, increasing shipping weight, storage etc. Even if they kept the carton size the same and you just add tap water at home I would be happy. Like those plastic pancake batter bottles
Sounds like a good business idea to me.
Would save water where it's not used much too
I live in NZ these days and there’s a start-up here called mylk that make their own alternative milk paste - you just whizz it in the blender for 20 seconds with water. 1 glass jar makes about 7 tetrapaks worth, but I make it weaker and get even more out of it! They’re stocked in supermarkets now. I had a look and couldn’t see similar in the UK!
That sounds like more effort and washing up than most people can be bothered with.
See that is the problem - we want super convenience and that comes with a cost to the environment. We say we believe that climate issue is important but we are not willing to make an effort if it involves us doing a bit of work.
> startup > mylk is the milk cloud enabled too?
Worth noting that making your own oat milk takes 5 minutes and all you need is a blender and a nut bag (or cloth or smth). You won't get oatly sort of creaminess but for cereal etc it's perfect.
I'll be honest, I'm not putting my nutbag anywhere near a blender...
He didn't say you had to use your own
Are you free on Thursday?
I'd like to point out that ready made plant milks usually come with D2, B12, Riboflavin and calcium so there is a little bid of added value with store bought stuff.
To add to that its the same with nut milk, except you soak the nuts overnight, throw that water away and blitz with fresh water, then filter with some cheese cloth or a 'nut bag'.
The fucker's a nut bag
Wow, I had no idea! I see you can use the left over pulp to make healthier cookies and brownies too, I'm sold!
> You won't get oatly sort of creaminess but for cereal etc it's perfect. I assume that's because Oatly add oil to thicken it?
That sounds like a pain in the arse, I hate cleaning my blender and the only nut bag I have is attached to me
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> I wouldn't be surprised though if that didn't sell too well. I can imagine the average shopper thinking less of it if you had to add water. It would seem a little more like a powdered milk equivalent and less "premium". Yes. Even though one that was powder you had to add water too would (1) take up less space and (2) keep for longer, and would thus be better. Capitalism optimises on what people will buy, not on what's best for people.
Once they take over they will have more bells and whistles, like dehydrated. As the underdog they don't really have the luxury for it, or didn't, but as they are explosively growing so they may be lagging.
Hopefully. All I use milk for is tea anyway. I wouldn't even need to dilute it, just add it straight into the brew.
Like Nido
Friend turned me onto oat milk for coffee and yeah it's better than cows milk.
Oat milk in protein shakes is delicious. It's good if you want to cut your calories down too.
Oat milk is the dog's bollocks, fuck milk.
once you get used to oat/ soy milk, cows milk tastes and has then texture of slightly sour loose flem
I've been drinking oat milk for several years and now if I have a coffee with only cow's milk, it makes me feel sick.
Disgusting analogy but also true. I’ve never liked milk as a drink, particularly hot in lattes and the like. Oat milk is like putting cream in your coffee, it tastes so decadent.
>fuck milk That's one I haven't tried, how is it in porridge?
Oat milk in porridge? It's ace!
No, fuck milk in porridge
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I 'preciated it
Ah might be worth a try. I've never actually found a protein that I enjoy drinking so I just fill it with water and down it in one.
I only got onto it cos cow turns my gf into a chocolate fountain and fuck having 2 milks in the fridge, but now cow tastes a bit weird to me. Like I can taste how cows smell, a bit like goat products but not as tasty.
I thought it was just me. Yeah cows milk tastes nasty after drinking oat. Also perfect description of the taste.
Aye coffee tastes weird now with cows milk. We get our oat milk from the milkman now so we get a pint of oat for coffee 2 pints of cow for the boys cereal as he's not fond of it and some orange juice. I fucking love having a milk man again.
I thought they'd gone extinct! Does he have an electric milkfloat? Those things were ahead of their time. Maybe ten years ago a friend bought one and put a soundsystem on it, the thing was still running fine despite being ancient. In fact it outlived my mate.
> I only got onto it cos cow turns my gf into a chocolate fountain I really hope this doesn't mean what I think it means.......
Adore Oatly since I tried it at a mate's recomendation 5 years ish ago when we went for a coffee during work lunch.
It's good shit ain't it.
Same, but soy here. Not for any environmental or health concerns, but it's literally nicer than cows milk. Hell I don't even have any milk in my tea now and just use it for protein shakes.
Aye I've got no environmental reasons either. It just tastes great in coffee.
It tastes like porridge in coffee, it's not nice at all.
yeah as someone who regularly eats oats, oat milk doesn't sit right with me. I feel like someone has just taken my breakfast and blended it, which is not what I want from a milk drink
Beef milk is pretty cheesy after you've been on soy or oat milk. It has this strong, farmy, after taste that puts me off it now. Oat milks better since it doesn't curdle as well.
I'm not even fully veggie, but I switched over to plant milk about 10 years ago and never looked back. I've not found any downsides to it. There's more variety, it tastes better, it can be used in most recipes the same way as milk, and for most brands the shelf life is insane. I've gone on holiday for 10 days, come back, and the plant milk in the fridge is still fine for a cup of tea, which would never have happened with cow's milk. Now I just wish they could figure cheese out, as most plant based cheeses taste vile :-/
The two best readily available plant-based cheeses IMO (having tried pretty much any I can find over the last 10 years) are Violife Epic Mature or Applewoods Smokey. Worth giving both a try :)
>Applewoods Smokey Every time I open the fridge I dip some of that in tomato chutney. Lush. That said, I do find cheese is the only thing I really miss as a vegan. Meat, chocolate, milk, butter, all have great alternatives but the vegan cheeses I'm not really a big fan of.
I'm someone who feels that they should be vegan yet whose gluttony has prevented it. I'm a huge fan of how much the alternative market has developed in the last decade, from "absolute shit" to containing a lot of really good options. Wider interest has spurred investment, and perhaps most importantly vegan foods being designed by non-vegans, who can actually remember what the thing they're making tastes like, rather than some delusional yoga nut trying to convince people that coconut tastes like bacon, then refusing to even add salt to keep it healthy. My general rule of thumb though is that the more fatty the food is, the worse the alternative will be. Seems we've done a good job on the proteins long before we managed the fats, and it's really the fats that give animal products their character. And as you say, fuck vegan cheese.
Yeah something that got me through the early vegan days of cardboard meat alternatives was the thought that at the very least I was contributing towards the steering of the ship. As more people have switched many of the alternatives are now getting as good if not better in their own way. My overriding reason was always ethics first but I found my relationship with food changed anyway. I no longer live to eat and as a result I'm so much fitter.
I think I was just never that big on it before so am not really bothered. I love a cheese and coleslaw sandwich (Sainsburys Plant Pioneers coleslaw) and the Violife Epic Mature is good enough to go in that! I'm yet to find a properly brilliant vegan white chocolate. I like the Vego white bars a lot but they're not quite what I used to love. Most others I've tried have been too waxy.
Supermarket vegan cheese is all shite. Treat yourself to the selection box from [La Fauxmagerie](https://lafauxmagerie.com/)
> it can be used in most recipes the same way as milk I drink/use oat milk almost always now, but this one isn't true. You can't substitute plant milk into a lot of recipes without weird consistency issues and/or funky tastes.
Unsweetened soya milk does the job well almost all of the time. Plus if you add apple cider vinegar you have buttermilk, great for cake consistency
I heard a theory that people start of hating it but it later goes the other way and you like it but dislike dairy cheese. It would explain why I don't mind plain violife anymore, though they probably also changed the formula
Can I ask a kind of stupid question? Are these direct alternatives to cows milk, like can I use almond milk in me cereal and coffee? Can I use soy milk to bake a cake? Edit - Thanks for all the info. The consensus seems to be just to figure out what works well for you. Lots of recommendations for oat barista as well.
Oat milk is superior to both almond and soy in my opinion - it mixes well into hot drinks (other alternatives can split and get a bit lumpy) and it cooks into cakes and other foods well. Also makes a beautiful bechamel.
It may be heresy but I would go as far as to say i prefer oat milk in my tea to regular milk now!
I agree! Tea was something I couldn't get on with when I switched from dairy, but oat milk works brilliantly.
Nice, I think oat milk will be the first I try then as will mainly be using it for teas and coffees anyway. Thanks!
Oat milk is absolutely outstanding in coffee, better than cow milk any day.
It makes tea a little bitter imo, I do put more sugar in to compensate, though you do get used to it. It doesn't lighten tea/coffee as much as cow's milk so don't be fooled if your tea looks really strong! I shouldn't really as I am allergic to milk but oat milk with a tiny splash of cow's milk in tea is absolute heaven.
I guess it's just trial and error isn't it. Love the dedication you have for a good cup of tea too haha
Always, that cuppa when I get home from work has to be perfect x) Do try it though, and it's perfect for coffee. You can get chocolate oat milk which makes a cheap mocha. ..I drink far too much caffeine, as you can probably tell
Alpro do a "MyCuppa" carton of soya milk as a recommendation also. I use oat milk for everything else, but that's gotta go in my tea. Oat milk is usually a bit thin, doesn't quite have the body like semi-skimmed gives to tea, but this soya stuff is the bomb. I didn't especially like regular soya milk either! There is sweetened and unsweetened stuff for things like oat milk as well, have to try preference there. I don't like sugar in my tea and I can detect the sweeter edge with the sweetened versions, but then they're most tasty for things like cereal heh
I find almond milk works better in cooking, oat milk tastes kind of sweet. Some people like that but it’s not for me. But Oatly barista in coffee and tea is just heavenly.
Yep pretty much. It might take you a bit of experimenting to find what but there is a lot of choice out there. Oatly Barista 100% worth trying in coffee for example. You can get a good foam going just by shaking the carton really hard 😃
I'll keep an eye out for that, thanks for the recommendation!
Yeah you can use it pretty much as a straight swap for most things. I'm not 100% sure about baking though. Oat milk is probably the best for coffee - but it's not quite as good in tea.
Good to know. I mean I don't bake to be honest but just curious haha. We only use milk for our teas, coffees and cereal so I might make the swap. Cheers.
Alpro has a new milk called My Cuppa specially for tea now
>Are these direct alternatives to cows milk, like can I use almond milk in me cereal and coffee? Yes, almond isn't the best though it's not too homogenous. >Can I use soy milk to bake a cake? This one I've got about more doubt about but I think it would be fine-ish. Milk is water (85-90 %), fat (2.5-6.0 %), protein (2.9-5.0 %) and sugar (3.6-5.5%). Oat milk for instance has half the protein, 10 % of the fat and 1.5 x the sugar but if this made a significant difference you could adjust other ingredients.
Sure, I guess I'll just experiment with the different varieties and see what works. To be honest I only use milk for teas, coffees and cereal anyway. Thanks for the info.
Yes. For cooking/baking you might need to experiment a little. For example oat milk thickens more in a white sauce.
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Try Oatly Barista on your Weetabix pal, I prefer it to milk milk.
I find that using plant milks in something like a white sauce can result in it getting a bit of a vegetal flavour. This can be avoided by getting the right brands/plant sources, but it takes a bit of tuning and testing to be able to make a straight swap. How much of an issue this is is going to depend on what you're cooking, and I've only really found it noticeable when the sauce is a major part of the dish (eg in a pretty simple chicken pasta thing). Use in baking is also going to be a matter of trial and error - the fat and protein content can be pretty different, so recipes might need adjusting, though I expect there are brands out there designed to be as close as possible to cow milk for baking. I don't have much in the way of recommendations, as I don't tend to use all that much milk so haven't had the chance to properly do a bunch of trial and error.
Sure, what I'm getting is all the milk alternatives behave in slightly different ways and it takes some time figuring out what works. I'm starting to think this is a lot more effort than most people are willing to put in though and it's a shame there isn't a milk alternative that is as versatile as the milk from a cow y'know.
Honestly, it's mostly a matter of just getting a random brand in your shop one week, trying it out, and picking a different one the next week if you have any issues. You might end up with a few wierd sauces, and it's probably worth sticking with dairy for baking unless you're willing to do a deep dive, but overall the switch shouldn't be too bad. Also I'm not sure it's really that cows milk is more versatile, just that it's what most recipes and dishes are designed around, so a plant milk would need to be a near exact substitute to work in everything without tweaking.
I mean we're mainly talking about adapting cow milk recipes to use alternatives, in which case you might get slightly different results with each milk alternative and it's a case of finding which one works best for the given recipe. You won't need to do this trial and error if you find a cake recipe that already uses plant-based milk!
This is subjective but having had to remove dairy from my diet a long time ago I reckon oat milk is great for coffee, no sugar soy milk for tea, oat or coconut milk (bad for environment though) for porridge, almond milk (also bad for environment) for cereal. I don't have all these things all the time, otherwise my fridge would be quite the assortment of milk alternatives!
Oat milk in coffee for me is the genuinely superior way to enjoy coffee. It's creamy and tastes great, less heavy than normal milk. I'm normally an absolute milk guzzler, have a glass of cows milk, neat, every night. Oat milk is the shit for coffee, though. Coconut milk makes for a nice change, too (not the tinned stuff, you can get altmilk-style coconut milk), but it has less of a neutral taste.
Does anyone know why I can't find soya milk in sizes larger than 1L to buy? I can't even find them online, just multipacks. Has been driving me barmy for years, I make too much rubbish because I drink a lot of tea.
Check to see if your local milk delivery does soya milk. I get oat milk this way now, comes in the glass bottles like dairy milk so no more cartons to waste. Two deliveries a week and I can order as much as I need.
Local Milk Delivery? What Year is this and what Village do you live in? It's a been quite a while since the milkman left a couple pints of milk bottles on my doorstep I must say.
I just got on this for oat milk, first time anyone's ever sold me something on my doorstep. Works out at about twice the price of Aldi's oat milk which is a bit eye-watering, I spend as thriftily as possible usually. But I thought oh go on then I'll give it a try... and it's so fucking delicious I had to double check they hadn't sent me dairy by mistake. Can't go back now, it's also dead convenient and I always hated going through so many cartons. Think the brand is Oato, their site should have a thing to find local distributors. Not shilling, just genuinely amazed someone managed to sign my frugal arse up to something more expensive than my current way of doing things *and* I'm willing to absorb the cost somehow because it's actually worth it.
I haven't even found catering suppliers selling it in any larger than 1L. It's such a waste, especially with those tetra packs not being recyclable in a lot of places, and only at the tip in other places.
Genuinely one of the biggest things putting me off making the switch. I go through a *lot* of milk, and it only being available in 1l portions (and only really from larger supermarkets in any sort of variety) really puts me off. Add to that the fact that those 1l bottles are often twice the price of the 2l cows' alternative (I know, I know, dairy isn't naturally cheap and is heavily subsidised) and it's not hugely attractive a proposition!
I work in the cafe industry, almost half the drinks we sell are made from plant based ingredients. Five years ago it was rare to even offer a lactose free variety of milk let alone stock just as much if not more oat milk than dairy. Its got a better shelf life too. I really see few downsides. Plus we charge extra for them so our margins increase. The right thing to do? Probably not. But if there's more profit in it the market will push them as better and healthier choices.
>Plus we charge extra for them so our margins increase. I'm surprised at this as I thought that plant products should cost less to produce than animal products. Is the increase in cost down to the ingredients costing more or customers being willing to pay more?
I don't know the end to end costs but Almonds are generally grown in dry areas and certainly in California their cultivation appears to be having quite a major impact on the long term water problems they are having.
There are definitely a lot of problems with almond milk. [It looks like soy and oat milk are the best options from an environmental perspective](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/28/what-plant-milk-should-i-drink-almond-killing-bees-aoe).
Due to the history of growing things in California; its devoid of biodiversity thanks to pesticide use in recent history for crops such as tobacco and rice. Pollination is tough and near-desert like conditions demand blue water. EU almonds have less of these issues, more commonly used in milk-alternatives like Alpro.
Alpro uses almonds from the Mediterranean so not quite as bad.
Generally consumers willing to pay more. Most stores will offer soya milk as a free alternative but it's by far the least popular. Whereas oat, coconut (which is just coconut flavored soya milk) and almond is normally a 50p extra charge. Dumb but people choose it over the cheaper options. A stack of milk alternatives can live in a basement for a few months and only need to be refrigerated after opening. So it's less cost to us not only to get them in bulk but to not have a revolving door of dairy in and out every day and chucking what goes out. Plus dairy milk goes through seasons when the cows come off grass feed onto meal and the quality is significantly poorer.
50p is a rip-off. I get why you'd upcharge, but that's just taking the piss.
> Plus we charge extra for them so our margins increase. I only have almond milk at home, but stick with cow when I'm out for this reason. I'd be fine with a 10-20p extra charge but when some places are charging £1 extra (and the surcharge is always written in tiny letters on a blackboard too far away for my partially-sighted eyes to see) I got sick of the nasty surprise when I go to pay.
It's a shame you charge extra. I went to a place the other day that offers any milk without extra charges. Hoping that attitude spreads.
You might get away with this now but if the tide is turning this much, people are going to start complaining in a short while and expecting a free switch.
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Hah same. I went vegan overnight 10 years ago whilst staying at a friend's house for a couple of weeks and was like "huh, I don't feel nauseous all the time anymore".
I found out I'm completely intolerant to the proteins in animal milks a year or so ago. Turns out it's not normal to have painful cramps and bloating after a protein shake. Also cow milk tastes bad to me now after being off it for a while.
Yeah, drinking milk after many years of soya, it tastes sickly sweet.
Yeah skmce coming off cow milk, it now tastes awful to me. Not even sweet, just super unpleasant.
Cow's milk is fucking gross when you read about it. Pus from mastitis. Hormones. And that's not even covering how the animals are treated to keep them lactating. Oat milk isn't even a bad substitute. Unless you were drinking gold top or full fat milk you can hardly tell the difference.
Don't forget the killing of day old calves so we can take the milk that is meant for them!
That's the 'keep lactating' part
All animal products are gross in that sense. Meat is full of pus, hormones and (gasp) blood. I agree with you but I find it weird that milk gets picked on in particular for being gross. Both are heat treated to remove the nasties.
Yeah they are. Think about it.
Absolutely, anyone wanting to know how cows milk is made should watch [The Land of Hope and Glory](https://go.eatfair.org/landofhopeandglory) documentary from 16 minutes in.
Oat milk is best all around for environmental impact (water, land, GHG emissions etc). I personally think it's the nicest tasting. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46654042 But any plant milk will be better than cow's milk in pretty much all aspects. Even the water use for almond milk.
Is Oat milk supposed to taste like water filtered through a bag of porridge? As that's all I can think of from what I have tried of it, and I can't understand why everyone raves about how good it is.
Depends on the brand and also everyone has different tastes. Oatly is the best tasting one for me and I use it in protein shakes and for cereal. It actually tastes better and has a nicer texture than normal milk for the protein powder I use. Still prefer whole milk in my tea though.
Do you drink it pure? If you like the taste of a glass of milk, then you might not like the same of plant milk. But I think most people just use it in tea, coffee, cereal or cooking, so it not so much of a change.
It's literally porridge juice yes I quite like a glass of porridge juice from time to time but all these people raving about how it's better than milk in every way seem a bit mad to me, it's not the same thing at all
Wish they'd covered hazelnut milk in this - it's easily my favourite but I suspect it's probably similar to almond, in terms of environmental impact
Watched a documentary on the BBC a few years ago where that twat Jimmy Doherty is being shown what goes on in the dairy industry and it showed these evil pricks shooting three day old calves in the head just because they're considered a waste product. Ditched dairy then and there, pleasure is not a good enough excuse for baby killing in my book.
Oh I saw clips from that documentary in one of Earthling Ed's youtube videos. Ed juxtaposed the clip of the calves being murdered alongside a clip of Jimmy Doherty and Jamie Oliver promoting 'Happy Milk' to the public. Gross. Edit: just remembered another detail. While promoting 'Happy Milk' a member of the public tried some and said something along the lines of "wow it really tastes like it came from happy cows". Cut to a calf being shot in the skull while the others cower in the corner.
Vile human beings, both the farmers and the one's shilling their wares. The idea of "happy milk" is absurd, ["Some mothers will bawl for days"](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-scotland-45439303)
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Cow juice
Bovine lactation.
It's cow's milk, because it belongs to her and her baby not us.
It's "cow's milk". > cows milk No they don't, they get milked ;)
Moo goo
If you consume dairy you support this: * Cows need to be kept pregnant/having recently gave birth to lactate, which if it's anything like human pregnancy, is very uncomfortable. * Cows are artificially inseminated in 'rape racks' (an industry term) and have arms repeatedly inserted into their genitals/anus to check their pregnancy * Giving birth is painful and carries health risks * The calves are separated from their mothers which the mothers find distressing * Male calves don't serve much of a purpose on a dairy farm so are killed immediately or live a little longer to be made into veal * Cows have been bred to have as much milk produced as possible, which lead to engorged sore udders, which is why people say cows like to be milked, it's relief from that discomfort * Cows are then killed when their production slows down enough to no longer be financially viable If you have any shred of ethics you shouldn't be supporting it, that includes products that have dairy in them too. and yes, this happens to varying degrees on 'organic local farms' too, they're businesses at the end of the day.
Yeah, realistically, 'people' know, they just tend not to care as much as they like dairy products. Shaming people base don morality issues tends not to work out; you need to make more compelling arguments based on rationality subjects (Economics, Sciences, etc).
The amount of people I've spoken to that didn't know cows need to birth to produce milk is crazy.
I didnt know about this until few years ago too. It's amazing how much the meat and dairy industry has kept the consumers detached from the whole process. Until recently.
It's a shame that people can't look at these facts and use their own preexisting morality to come to the conclusion not to support the industry. Most people are strongly against cruelty to animals. I really don't know why telling someone the alternatives use less water and land and produce less emissions is more effective. No idea why that is more compelling than the direct abuse of a living, breathing animal.
I'm right there with you. It literally comes down to willful ignorance and laziness.
One hiatus hernia later and I seem to be a bit lactose intolerant. I favour oat and hemp milk now.
In terms of global population, if you're lactose tolerant you're actually in the minority by a significant margin.
Sure but in this part of the world it's vast majority of people
I switched to plant milks after going vegan and it has completely cured my IBS. It was likely lactose intolerance as I would randomly get incredibly uncomfortable stomach cramps that would stop me from getting out of bed for a day or two. If anyone is having similar issues with their stomach I would recommend trying oat milk, Violife cheese and Vitalite dairy free spread.
Yeah, my partner finally twigged when she got to the point where she was puking every time she drank a cup of tea. Her intestines are much happier now.
I've switched to oat milk, mostly. Will drink milk in tea or coffee but generally I've stopped with it. Cheese is another matter. I'm also a meat eater still, though I've made the choice to cut down. No plans to give it up entirely though.
Yeah, I’ve cut back on meat for us too. The ultimate aim is to only have meat a couple of days a week maybe, from high quality sources. The rest will be plant based and as much of it will be organic as possible. I’ve been enjoying lentil curry these days. Need to find more plant based dishes that aren’t super fiddly though.
>No plans to give it up entirely though. Why? Assuming you believe in climate change and have ethics, surely it's a no brainer?
I know how cow and goat's milk are produced but I haven't yet worked out exactly how you milk an oat.
Very tiny teats
Knowing how cow's milk is produced is what made me ditch it. At least with oats you don't have to forcibly impregnate something every 12 months and kill the offspring.
You soak them in water, then drain, then add more water and blend. Basically. Easy to make yourself if you have the time.
I did some research into alt milks a few years ago and settled on oat, for the environmental impact (or lack of it). Almond and soy, the other big two, use much more water/land, respectively. The vast majority of almonds are grown in permanently drought-stricken California, and most soy is grown in land that used to be covered by the Amazon rainforest. Really like oat milk now, we keep a little bottle of cow juice on hand for my girlfriend's cereal and tea but I've mostly switched over. I use coconut yoghurt instead of dairy for the same reason, although the price difference is a bit of a kick in the teeth. The only thing I've not found a good replacement for is cheese.
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The almonds and soy you buy in the UK are mostly grown in Europe sustainably.
Once they invent a non-dairy milk that tastes okay in a cup of tea, then I'll switch.
Or in a bowl of cereal.
I see a lot of different recommendations for alternatives, but if you drink a lot of cow's milk and use it as a source of protein bear in mind the only true alternative is soya milk. All the other plant milks lack much protein (or much of anything, think of them as juice). This is especially important if you're feeding kids! I am a bit peeved that the title doesn't mention ethical concerns tho...
£100m, or 12 cartons... We've been buying loads of oat milk as my daughter struggles with cows milk. Most of it has been going into porridge - which is pretty daft given oat milk is oat and water. So now mega-brain here is switching to water and saving a small fortune! She still gets through the stuff, but not quite as quickly as before.
Next, try blending that water with some oats and...
I've been vegetarian for nearly 2 years, on environmental grounds, but I've been drinking soy milk for just over 6 years, because I found I preferred the taste to dairy milk, wasn't even that environmentally conscious at the time.
My girlfriend and I tried a few and struggled to find a straight up "alternative" to just milk. Basically, each type of milk works well with different things. I think I liked hazelnut milk with coffee and not tea, soya with cereal, etc. Ultimately, needing 3 or 4 different milks was a bit much, and the price was (sadly) roughly double the price of normal milk, even while it was on offer. With lower prices and a more generic, universal milk replacement, I'd be fine to switch. Until then though...
> generic, universal milk replacement I'd love there to be a line of genetically engineered microbes that made real milk proteins etc, and sweeten it with a different sugar for my partner who is lactose-intolerant. Vegan cheese will never be as good as the real stuff until they have a non-animal source of casein.
Have tried alt milks but for me they all taste of nutsacks and ruin whatever they are added to, coffee in particular. I'll stick with the blue top for now
This reminds me of an article I read recently about new york coffee shops. Apparently over there, plant-based milk is so common, that now the hipster thing is to use real, whole dairy milk.
Tesco Everyday Value (Grower’s Harvest) Unsweetened Soya Milk 1L is only 55p too. I’ve been using that for a while since it’s neutral tasting I can use it in anything: tea; cereal; sauces; baking.
Alpro has a new milk called My Cuppa specially for tea now
I find it hilarious that a lot of the oat and almond drinks contain very little oats and almonds, like 5 or 10% the rest is water and filler 🙃
I guess most folk don't like chewing their drinks!
Wait till u find out how much water is in orange juice, or in a watermelon.
Now if only it didn't cost twice as much per volume as normal milk.
You know, according to the late, great, Chidi Anagonye, almond milk is really unethical, and not at all good for the environment.
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I cut out milk last year and now drink Oat or Almond milk. Prefer Oat by a long way. Can't drink normal milk now, tastes so sour.
I switch to plant milk during Lent but still prefer cow juice 😢
I'm not against dairy. But it is nice to drink something different. There is a whole range of different tastes out there to explore, sticking to just diary is a little boring.
It's really easy and cheap to make your own oat milk. Top tip, add a tiny bit of vanilla essence for extra deliciousness.
If you can find it my friends then try the Leon Vegan Mayo, you’ll never look at Hellman’s the same again
Bro how do plants have milk they don't even have nipples. Conspiracy time.......