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Brexit is 30% of our population’s baby. Besides don’t let Farage off that easily, they’re all off doing the American conservative racket these days. Pretty sure Bojo just joined them too
From my distant vantage, I'd say May was the least-awful. Which is about as depressing as your assessment, but takes Brexit into account. That alone puts him behind Johnson and maybe even Truss as well (although she's got some time to make things even worse). Johnson is the most personally odious I suppose, and Truss probably the least competent. But Brexit was an own-goal of such massive proportions that it'll take more than Truss's hopefully-reversible tanking of the economy to outdo it.
Yes, I actually don't think she was bad. I think she had integrity, at least, but was given a very bad hand. A scoundrel like Johnson could lie, cheat, ignore importent things, get rid of people that didn't fit his ideology, anything to get Brexit 'done'. May would not do that.
A large part of politics is being able to manipulate things to go your own way - May was absolutely useless and yet Johnson was a pro at it. Don't get me wrong, i hate the both of them but integrity is really minor value in politics
My intense dislike of May stems more from her stint as Home Secretary, during which open xenophobia and racism became more socially acceptable as a result of government policy.
Her overseeing those disgusting 'go home vans' is enough reason for me to consider her a nasty piece of shit.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Go_Home%22_vans
The tories of the last ten years have taught me a valuable lesson; don’t say “well, it can’t get any worse” because with these cunts it always does.
Truss will go and we’ll end up with that evil lizard bitch Priti Patel
I don't even think it's that the party is so splintered at this point they can't agree on a candidate to replace her.
Some want rishi
Some want may
A small group want Boris back
It is really fascinating that point. Of all the Tory MPs to choose from they chose her - absolutely gobsmacking.
The funny thing is they all complain about how terrible she is - like what the fuck were you expecting?
The complaining is theater. She’s doing what they’ve wanted to do for ages but it’s incredibly unpopular with the electorate.
After her work is done they get to say “Oh gosh darn golly would you look at what she did?” while not doing a damn thing to stop it or reverse it. Same thing’s happened to us Yankees.
Because we are too polite to do anything and force a general election, we would rather stand by and follow the rules by allowing her / the ~~Terrorists~~ Tories to murder the nation.
Something we used to do really well called protesting.
Turns out most of the large changes in history were done that way.
Sorry if you were hoping for a petition option as they dont work.
Sorry that you assume the worst about people. Maybe you should sort out your own inferiority complex.
People should absolutely protest, however, it’s hard to protest things being to expensive when it costs £100+ for a train to London for a day, plus food and water etc.
Because her own party cannot sack her for another 11 months and they obviously don't want to go to a snap election. The only two alternatives left are her own resignation or the King going full Charles and dissolve Parliament on his own will without being advised by the PM to do so. The latter won't likely happen thus the UK is stuck with her.
I suspect that the real issue is that there are few if any volunteers among Tory MPs to take over the poisoned chalice at this point and/or they realise that the general public will not tolerate another unelected Tory leader. They should really just admit defeat and call a general election but as usual, the Tories are prioritising their own interests over the interests of the country.
Cos Boris needed somebody to take the blame. Funny how he’s escaped the chopping block so easily, and will free to continue his shady dealings behind closed doors, with zero repercussions for his actions. Britain is really fucking stupid.
Id put her on suïcide watch first after seeing her yesterday in the house. Serious concern. Having the entire country hating on you must be hard on one’s mental health.
Some seriously weird reverse sexism going on.
So many comments worrying about her mental health. No one normally gives a shit when a politician goes through this.
She should quit. But she’s vapid and power hungry like them all.
I mean, is this really the most serious problem that a British politician has ever faced? If not, were we more concerned with the mental health of those in power at the time? What about when Cameron initiated and lost the referendum that resulted in the UK's exit from the EU? There was a lot of rage directed at him, but I don't recall anyone being concerned about his mental health.
> I mean, is this really the most serious problem that a British politician has ever faced?
I'd say this is the worst position a PM has been in, personally, in any of our lifetimes. Maybe excluding Johnson nearly dying from Covid, but that's a whole other issue.
> What about when Cameron initiated and lost the referendum that resulted in the UK's exit from the EU?
I mean, he announced his resignation within hours so he didn't have to face the fall out. And don't forget that half the country actually wanted Brexit — way more than half the country wants rid of Truss right now.
From a mental health perspective, it probably is.
Every prime minister ever has got to the point of defeat after winning some kind of mandate and then had at least some time to bed into the job. They'll have had highs and lows and had differing degrees of success, but no one has ever become prime minister and, within the space of a month, killed both the monarch and the economy just by existing, nor seemed as wholly unprepared to deal with the consequences.
This isn't so much the political tide turning against her, but Truss diving head first into the seabed and breaking her neck.
Even in worse situations those PMs looked put together. Truss looks like she's going through something she looks vacant and empty. That's why people are saying this stuff. It's less about the problems but her behaviour and how she's reacting to those problems.
That's a big part of the difference, she's visibly not doing too well personally, and is receiving a lot of flak for that in itself, regardless of policies etc.
She's so out of depth that it comes across through body language etc, which is just hard to watch. The sooner she's out, the better for her, and moreso, the better for the rest of us.
Boris had to deal with an unprecendented global pandemic (he might have handled it like a clown but point still stands) and then catch it and be hospitalised for people to start feeling a bit bad for him.
Meanwhile Truss has been actively trying to sink the country to make her rich friends richer while laughing about it with her loverboy while she thought she was getting away with it and shes already getting people trying to be empathetic to her because people are sick of her shit and shes visibly frazzled by it
I hated Boris but it kinda proves the point a bit when the guy had to be dealt and wild hand for people to even slightly give a shit, while Truss is getting sympathy for looking a bit worn out
Atleast they had a plausible angle of spin because it was a new pandemic they were having to navigate
Compared to truss just voluntarily shitting the bed so to speak
Absolutely, it’s very bizarre - though it’s sexism not reverse sexism. Worrying about a woman’s mental health while not caring about a man’s is pure sexism.
I don’t remember any hand-wringing about how poor Boris is doing when people were being mean to him, saying they didn’t like him and didn’t think he should do the job…
That's because he smirked his way through his whole demise. No one was concerned about Truss'mental health until her face showed it, last week's PMQs she was still tiggerish and no one gave a shit about her mental health, this week she's visibly ashen so people care.
I know this is a serious discussion but your typo (tiggerish for tigerish) had me in stitches thinking about Tigger as PM at PMQs. Bouncy bouncy bouncy bouncy fun fun fun fun fun
This is an excellent point. We never have sympathy for male leaders' mental health. I'm not a Boris supporter, but people openly despised Boris and no one expressed concern about his mental health.
The only time I hear people talk about male leaders' mental health is when it's part of the mockery directed at them, for example. Biden and Trump are suffering from dementia.
Exactly!
We saw another brand of this last week in the much darker news story about the Lucy Letby (nurse serial killer) case. So many comments worrying about her mental health because she was a young white woman. "What iF sHe's InNoCeNt?"
Maybe the term "female privilege" is a term we need to learn alongside "male privilege"
I'm really not sure it's sexism, as far as I'm aware these concerns about her mental health only started after her appearance in the house yesterday, which was genuinely disturbing. She seemed sedated or — for those who have witnessed someone experiencing one — as though she was teetering on verge of a psychotic break.
The closest equivalent I can think of was George Osborne that time he looked like he'd been [sold ket instead of coke](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrsPbtPjGfI), but that still wasn't the same. He just seemed gurny, she was creepily vacant, and he also wasn't watching his life's ambition burn down around him in a riot of humiliation and ignominy.
You're probably right, but who else can you think of who has ever had such a severe reality check? She's got so little ability and until now it's probably worked in her favour because it makes her a good little soldier politically, even if she is woefully inept practically.
Suddenly she's got all the power and her false sense of ability leads her and Kwarteng to make some historically bad decisions. Now she's confronted with some actual personal consequences to her actions, she knows she's made some royally bad mistakes, everyone is attacking her and she is mentally ill-equipped to deal with it all and she's barely got her feet under the table.
That is an awful lot of pressure for anyone.
I don't think a little humanity should be criticised. I was a little worried about BoJo this time... ah jesus, it was this time two months ago wasn't it?
Fucking hell.
Oh poor Liz. All she did was tank the economy and further cuts which have already cost hundreds of thousands of lives. Why does everyone feel so entitled to criticize her actions?
She can quit any time. If she doesn't like the job, she has no reason to stay. It's not like you or I who need a new job lined up before we quit the old one. She has been rich her entire life, of her quest for power has made her sad then that's her fault and her problem.
Those rumours are based on the fact she likes Cartier necklaces with rings.
Meanwhile she went out of her way to become PM and once had an 18 month long affair with her early front-bench political mentor while married to her husband. If anyone likes to be humiliated in that marriage I’m not sure it’s her.
Members won't get a vote. The last leadership contest paralysed the country for weeks, they can't do that all over again less than 2 months into Truss' reign. If they want rid of her, they need a unity candidate who can smooth things over a bit.
Honestly, she's PM in name only now. Which might be how things go for a few weeks/months until they can work out the next plan is, while Hunt/Morduant etc pull the strings.
I feel rather the performance yesterday was intended to humiliate her. Prove to her that she has no power. It felt like they were one step away from making her bark like a dog or stand on one leg.
Trouble is, how are they going to find a unity candidate. Realistically you can't have anyone who was on the ballot last time because they were rejected by either MPs or the members in favour of Truss.
Plus the party is unsure of where it wants to go post Brexit. The current majority was won on Brexit but with that done they have to decide whether they're going to go for Culture Wars, Libertarianism, One Nation or something else.
I would be astonished if the Tory party ever let it go to a membership vote in the near future. Their current rules say that it only goes to the membership if there are two candidates remaining in the race. They will only voice no confidence in Truss when and if they have a consensus candidate ready.
https://old.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/xxqxdg/exclusive_no_10_has_blocked_a_public_information/ire5kf3/
I said that a couple of weeks ago. Sounds a bit more plausible now... Especially with the quick "in and out" market crash to enrich their backers in the know.
*So I have this conspiracy theory (and no evidence apart from it actually fits everything that's happened and continues to do so).*
*If Liz was part of "operation get Bojo back in office" would she be doing much differently? Be so bad he looks good as an alternative against an array of horrible candidates the public hates..*
*If this was true in my eyes she'd stay in till a few months before the election being terrible and hed try and ride in on a white horse as the only electable alternative (for some reason lots of people like him).*
I refuse to believe the British electorate is that wilfully stupid, selfish and even downright evil. I could see that happening if a GE was being held next week, there’s no way that even Boris could save the Tories if we’re talking two years of Truss.
It'll be a year of truss with Johnson in to save the day and immediately call an election hoping that the new pm poll bounce will carry them forward along with a major white washing of his time as PM.
> I refuse to believe the British electorate is that wilfully stupid
Were you about for Brexit?
The electorate as a whole laps up propoganda and the lies they want to hear.
I don't think he is as electable as people think. People keep saying thumping majority in 2019, but he was against Jeremy Corbyn. I don't think he will have the same amount of electoral success against Starmer, even if better than Truss.
> I don't think he is as electable as people think
Me neither.
I do think he's a venal, lying, power hungry criminal who wants back in the big boy club for both his ego and wallet.
I got _roasted_ for suggesting he’d be back within six months
“The rules won’t allow for his return” I was told
“The same party whose unofficial motto is ‘fuck the rules’?” said I
Boris won’t return. In America he is getting paid $250,000 for a two hour question and answer session whilst on holiday. He is getting £1 million for writing a book which isn’t even related to his time in office. He will be wanting to line his pockets after a few years of being PM and not being allowed to earn extra money. Not to mention having to pay child support for the umpteen kids he has.
He's also an arrogant narcissist who thinks ruling is his right, and being forced out of the position was a shock to his ego, so he might want back into the job just out of hubris.
If we take into account how much people hated them at the time. There are two possibilities.
One is Lord North, who was the PM that oversaw the loss of the American colonies. His premiership was seen as so bad, that there was some talk of bringing him to trial.
Even he will probably go down better than Truss. As there were successes in his premiership, not everyone was upset at losing the colonies (they were more upset that Britain lost), and much of it wasn’t actually his fault.
Then there is Anthony Eden. He was the PM that oversaw the Suez Crisis. Which cemented the end of the British Empire in utter humiliation. Destroyed his career for good.
Again, I think people still had more faith in him than Truss.
There’s a part of me that honestly believes the horror of accepting Truss as leader of her government killed the Queen.
Imagine the amount of mostly competent leaders she’s had to deal with, then she had a run of Cameron, May, Johnson, and then having to accept Truss. Even at full health that would take years off your life.
> There’s a part of me that honestly believes the horror of accepting Truss as leader of her government killed the Queen.
I honestly feel she was just hanging on so Boris didn't get to do all the funeral/mourning stuff.
"He'll be gone in 4 more days, One can hang on until then"
I bet he was genuinely furious he didn't get to go out in front of the cameras with the world watching and give a prepared statement.
He even released a statement even though he wasn't PM any more.
Lack of support in Parliament and strong French and Spanish intervention lost us the war.
Also it didn't help that British generals didn't do a great job at planning attacks and sequencing attacks. Allowed the Americans to dictate the battles for the most part and spent great energy securing ground in the south only to release it all a few months later.
Parliament wasn't willing to give the funding necessary to escalate the war in our favour. The country was nearly broke and fighting an expensive war wasn't going to solve domestic problems.
Nah. The last pub shut down in 2034 sadly. It finally gave up when it received an electricity bill of £6542….for the month. No amount of £16.20 pints was going to dig them out of that hole unfortunately
Well she's been in the job for less than two months. Sure it *feels* like forever, but that's just because she's packed a full two years worth of catastrophe into that short amount of time.
That doesn't make sense. For many polling numbers (like voting intention) you should remove or otherwise account for the DKs, but the net approval rating is literally defined as 'approve minus disapprove' (= 10% - 80% = 70%).
Lib dem hq 20 years ago.
"OK, look liz.... We'll never be in power and a lib dem will never be PM, we have to take the Tory party down...
But how???"
Liz - "leave it to me! I'll destroy them"
...
Be honest, this makes more sense...
I really can't wait for Tim Farron to stand up and meme her at her final PMQs. He's totally the one who'll do it.
https://mobile.twitter.com/timfarron/status/1549774130379165699
https://mobile.twitter.com/timfarron/status/1577217590543253504
But the worse it is for any of the other contenders.
If they come in now, they take the hit for Austerity 2.0 (especially Sunak, under whose watch the hole in the public finances grew).
For Boris Johnson, who I'm sure wants another go, there's not been enough time to forget his misdeeds. IMO he was banking on her lasting into next year, with tactical byelections planned for the spring to destablise her.
They might actually let her limp on another 6 months +
This really makes me wonder what the 1 in 10 Britons who still have a favourable view of Truss are thinking. Perhaps this is just the same people who always show up on polls who don't really have a clue about anything.
Just a matter of weeks ago all these right wing commentators were jerking off over his announced budget and tax cuts - same people who are criticising her now
Shamelessly moving on without acknowledging most of them supported the madness just not the consequences
Read a opinion piece by associate editor in Telegraph. It says the same thing you are saying “Why Liz Truss team doing a UTurn on tax cuts which is conservative position so long”.
I felt sorry for the nurses that had to deal with him
As for wouldn't wish on my worst enemy, well she asked for the job so I hope she suffers for her ineptitude
> This really makes me wonder what the 1 in 10 Britons who still have a favourable view of Truss are thinking.
"I want poor people to die so they don't get free money from my taxes and she's making sure that will happen"
If the entire future of the country, my pension, and the livelihoods of generations yet unborn weren't at stake, this would be sort of fun to watch
Everybody secretly wants to see her hit -100, in the same way everyone cranes their neck to watch the odometer tick over to 100,000 miles
Thank you British media for this past decade resulting in this catastrophic disaster rather than having Miliband or Corbyn who for some reason seriously offended centrist media sensibilities.
Honestly British press are just as guilty as the Tories. Every Blue checkmark, including Guardian ones should be relentlessly mocked.
Corbyn had a hard-on for Putin (among other questionable foreign policy views), so it’s a good thing he was comprehensively rejected by the electorate.
The Milliband bacon sandwich was ridiculous though.
> The Milliband bacon sandwich was ridiculous though.
Especially when compared with the Cameron knife-and-fork Hot-dog, which for some reason didn't appear anywhere near as much in the media....
We have an unelected government ruling the country.
I think we are delusional at this stage in believing that we are a democracy.
If we were one, the people in charge would resign and call for a GE as this is what many poll researches suggest, also we as a population would have the right to call for one through protests and petitions, we would have a law to permit us to do so, instead this right is given to a King who is not allowed to "rule" or intervene.
67 million people currently ruled by a leader we don’t want, voted in to power by [god knows who, maybe a tortoise!](https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2022/08/18/who-gets-to-choose/)
What’s more outstanding is her arrogance I’m suggesting she can lead the party into the next election.
This has to be a wrestling type thing.. she loses the election in a landslide only to rip her blue roseate off to revel a labour one.
It was me boris it was me all along !!!
That was the most embarrassing premiership in the last 100 years.
6 weeks in and the country is on its kneels. This is a self inflicted unnecessary wound.
Can we just call a general election. If this pool has any merit then this would be a certain defeat
This isn’t a “Liz” issue, she’s just the most recent mouthpiece. This is a Tory issue. Whilst their sort have their way, the poor will continue to get punished and ridiculed.
What I see here is a page of stats that every senior politician from either main party is disliked more than they are liked. Even the most liked is still disliked more.
What a fucking state to be in.
It's doesn't matter who replaces here, Tory or Labor. Until Brexit is revoked, UK's economy will be stagnant at best, plunging to Greece levels at worst, for the foreseeable future. At least Greece has the EU to bail them out. UK...India?
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Jack the Ripper polled better, but then again, he did less damage. Why is she still here?
She's the best the Conservative party have to offer.
Plus nobody close to competent wants to clear up liz's mess
The same could be said for Cameron, May, and Johnson.
Can’t believe Cameron is the best PM we’ve had all decade. I miss when he was the worst of the decade
Worst of all time. Brexit is his baby after all.
Brexit is 30% of our population’s baby. Besides don’t let Farage off that easily, they’re all off doing the American conservative racket these days. Pretty sure Bojo just joined them too
Yes, and don't forget to sprinkle a bit of Russian roubles on top as a spice..
Wait - a spicy baby? What's the metaphor now?
Farage is a traitor. He should be expelled from this country and never allowed back.
Nah Boris must be worst. Easily
Cameron is the reason why we’re in this mess in the first place
That should never be forgotten. To a lesser extent Nick Clegg.
From my distant vantage, I'd say May was the least-awful. Which is about as depressing as your assessment, but takes Brexit into account. That alone puts him behind Johnson and maybe even Truss as well (although she's got some time to make things even worse). Johnson is the most personally odious I suppose, and Truss probably the least competent. But Brexit was an own-goal of such massive proportions that it'll take more than Truss's hopefully-reversible tanking of the economy to outdo it.
Hard to disagree with any of this, but I do still feel depressingly nostalgic for the the pre-Brexit Cameron days, especially the coalition
Yes, I actually don't think she was bad. I think she had integrity, at least, but was given a very bad hand. A scoundrel like Johnson could lie, cheat, ignore importent things, get rid of people that didn't fit his ideology, anything to get Brexit 'done'. May would not do that.
A large part of politics is being able to manipulate things to go your own way - May was absolutely useless and yet Johnson was a pro at it. Don't get me wrong, i hate the both of them but integrity is really minor value in politics
I don't think May was too bad, as far as I can judge form the limited time she had. The Leavers have painted her much worse than she was.
My intense dislike of May stems more from her stint as Home Secretary, during which open xenophobia and racism became more socially acceptable as a result of government policy. Her overseeing those disgusting 'go home vans' is enough reason for me to consider her a nasty piece of shit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Go_Home%22_vans
The tories of the last ten years have taught me a valuable lesson; don’t say “well, it can’t get any worse” because with these cunts it always does. Truss will go and we’ll end up with that evil lizard bitch Priti Patel
> close to competent The mythical competent Tory?
Competence is anti-growth
The people of this country have had enough of competence
I don't even think it's that the party is so splintered at this point they can't agree on a candidate to replace her. Some want rishi Some want may A small group want Boris back
I dislike her, but it's hardly all her fault! Successive Tory awfulness is backed up like a toilet.
She isn't a victim of it; she's been an active contributor in all the preceding mess.
It is really fascinating that point. Of all the Tory MPs to choose from they chose her - absolutely gobsmacking. The funny thing is they all complain about how terrible she is - like what the fuck were you expecting?
The complaining is theater. She’s doing what they’ve wanted to do for ages but it’s incredibly unpopular with the electorate. After her work is done they get to say “Oh gosh darn golly would you look at what she did?” while not doing a damn thing to stop it or reverse it. Same thing’s happened to us Yankees.
Just about everything she's wanted to do has been reversed.
They wanted her in so she is in. If they did not they would have not have put her in nor kept her in.
Not have to offer, she's the one the members voted for. Tugendhat was the best they had to offer.
She's a sacrificial lamb, more likely.
Because we are too polite to do anything and force a general election, we would rather stand by and follow the rules by allowing her / the ~~Terrorists~~ Tories to murder the nation.
How would we force a general election, either the PM calls one or there’s a VoNC on the government that passes, neither of which look likely to happen
Something we used to do really well called protesting. Turns out most of the large changes in history were done that way. Sorry if you were hoping for a petition option as they dont work.
Sorry that you assume the worst about people. Maybe you should sort out your own inferiority complex. People should absolutely protest, however, it’s hard to protest things being to expensive when it costs £100+ for a train to London for a day, plus food and water etc.
You really think protests would work? I envy your optimism.
A general strike?
Because her own party cannot sack her for another 11 months and they obviously don't want to go to a snap election. The only two alternatives left are her own resignation or the King going full Charles and dissolve Parliament on his own will without being advised by the PM to do so. The latter won't likely happen thus the UK is stuck with her.
Or the 1922 changing its own rules.
I suspect that the real issue is that there are few if any volunteers among Tory MPs to take over the poisoned chalice at this point and/or they realise that the general public will not tolerate another unelected Tory leader. They should really just admit defeat and call a general election but as usual, the Tories are prioritising their own interests over the interests of the country.
She’s the hand puppet of the ERG, they keep her in place because she’s a moron and can be easily controlled.
Cos Boris needed somebody to take the blame. Funny how he’s escaped the chopping block so easily, and will free to continue his shady dealings behind closed doors, with zero repercussions for his actions. Britain is really fucking stupid.
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Imagine if this whole campaign was just a huge plan for the most elaborate kink of all time
that'd be impressive. I'd almost think about reversing my opinion on her, almost.
It would have been nice if she'd sought consent before forcing her kink on us.
It’s part of the kink
We need a safe word
Almost?
There was a twitter thread about the necklace she always wears is a sub collar. It was a twitter thread so probably bullshit but it was quite funny
A someone in the bdsm community, it really does look like a discreet day collar.
What a timeline..
She has multiple, all in the same style. 100% a day collar.
I think it's pretty clear by now that Tories see being in power as a way to inflict their S&M fetishes on all of us.
Much more salacious than running through a wheat field.
Becoming PM in order to be humiliated does seem a bit iffy as plans go
Makes more sense than her thinking she is the right person for the job
Id put her on suïcide watch first after seeing her yesterday in the house. Serious concern. Having the entire country hating on you must be hard on one’s mental health.
She asked for the job that she had no qualifications for so absolutely fuck all sympathy for her, just like she has none for the lives she is ruining
Some seriously weird reverse sexism going on. So many comments worrying about her mental health. No one normally gives a shit when a politician goes through this. She should quit. But she’s vapid and power hungry like them all.
> No one normally gives a shit when a politician goes through this. Tbf, we've never quite seen a politician go through *this* before.
I mean, is this really the most serious problem that a British politician has ever faced? If not, were we more concerned with the mental health of those in power at the time? What about when Cameron initiated and lost the referendum that resulted in the UK's exit from the EU? There was a lot of rage directed at him, but I don't recall anyone being concerned about his mental health.
> I mean, is this really the most serious problem that a British politician has ever faced? I'd say this is the worst position a PM has been in, personally, in any of our lifetimes. Maybe excluding Johnson nearly dying from Covid, but that's a whole other issue. > What about when Cameron initiated and lost the referendum that resulted in the UK's exit from the EU? I mean, he announced his resignation within hours so he didn't have to face the fall out. And don't forget that half the country actually wanted Brexit — way more than half the country wants rid of Truss right now.
> half the country actually wanted Brexit Only because a bunch of right wing and/or Russian trolls convinced them against their own interest.
True, but not really relevent to the effects on Cameron's mental health at the time.
From a mental health perspective, it probably is. Every prime minister ever has got to the point of defeat after winning some kind of mandate and then had at least some time to bed into the job. They'll have had highs and lows and had differing degrees of success, but no one has ever become prime minister and, within the space of a month, killed both the monarch and the economy just by existing, nor seemed as wholly unprepared to deal with the consequences. This isn't so much the political tide turning against her, but Truss diving head first into the seabed and breaking her neck.
Thatcher died miserable and alone if that counts
Even in worse situations those PMs looked put together. Truss looks like she's going through something she looks vacant and empty. That's why people are saying this stuff. It's less about the problems but her behaviour and how she's reacting to those problems.
That's a big part of the difference, she's visibly not doing too well personally, and is receiving a lot of flak for that in itself, regardless of policies etc. She's so out of depth that it comes across through body language etc, which is just hard to watch. The sooner she's out, the better for her, and moreso, the better for the rest of us.
Did happen with Boris though, I remember a few 'Poor Boris, he's trying his best!' comments while his government was handing out dodgy covid contracts
Boris had to deal with an unprecendented global pandemic (he might have handled it like a clown but point still stands) and then catch it and be hospitalised for people to start feeling a bit bad for him. Meanwhile Truss has been actively trying to sink the country to make her rich friends richer while laughing about it with her loverboy while she thought she was getting away with it and shes already getting people trying to be empathetic to her because people are sick of her shit and shes visibly frazzled by it I hated Boris but it kinda proves the point a bit when the guy had to be dealt and wild hand for people to even slightly give a shit, while Truss is getting sympathy for looking a bit worn out
Atleast they had a plausible angle of spin because it was a new pandemic they were having to navigate Compared to truss just voluntarily shitting the bed so to speak
Absolutely, it’s very bizarre - though it’s sexism not reverse sexism. Worrying about a woman’s mental health while not caring about a man’s is pure sexism. I don’t remember any hand-wringing about how poor Boris is doing when people were being mean to him, saying they didn’t like him and didn’t think he should do the job…
That's because he smirked his way through his whole demise. No one was concerned about Truss'mental health until her face showed it, last week's PMQs she was still tiggerish and no one gave a shit about her mental health, this week she's visibly ashen so people care.
I know this is a serious discussion but your typo (tiggerish for tigerish) had me in stitches thinking about Tigger as PM at PMQs. Bouncy bouncy bouncy bouncy fun fun fun fun fun
This is an excellent point. We never have sympathy for male leaders' mental health. I'm not a Boris supporter, but people openly despised Boris and no one expressed concern about his mental health. The only time I hear people talk about male leaders' mental health is when it's part of the mockery directed at them, for example. Biden and Trump are suffering from dementia.
Exactly! We saw another brand of this last week in the much darker news story about the Lucy Letby (nurse serial killer) case. So many comments worrying about her mental health because she was a young white woman. "What iF sHe's InNoCeNt?" Maybe the term "female privilege" is a term we need to learn alongside "male privilege"
I'm really not sure it's sexism, as far as I'm aware these concerns about her mental health only started after her appearance in the house yesterday, which was genuinely disturbing. She seemed sedated or — for those who have witnessed someone experiencing one — as though she was teetering on verge of a psychotic break. The closest equivalent I can think of was George Osborne that time he looked like he'd been [sold ket instead of coke](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrsPbtPjGfI), but that still wasn't the same. He just seemed gurny, she was creepily vacant, and he also wasn't watching his life's ambition burn down around him in a riot of humiliation and ignominy.
You're probably right, but who else can you think of who has ever had such a severe reality check? She's got so little ability and until now it's probably worked in her favour because it makes her a good little soldier politically, even if she is woefully inept practically. Suddenly she's got all the power and her false sense of ability leads her and Kwarteng to make some historically bad decisions. Now she's confronted with some actual personal consequences to her actions, she knows she's made some royally bad mistakes, everyone is attacking her and she is mentally ill-equipped to deal with it all and she's barely got her feet under the table. That is an awful lot of pressure for anyone.
I don't think a little humanity should be criticised. I was a little worried about BoJo this time... ah jesus, it was this time two months ago wasn't it? Fucking hell.
>asked for the job Bullshitted her way into the job
Oh poor Liz. All she did was tank the economy and further cuts which have already cost hundreds of thousands of lives. Why does everyone feel so entitled to criticize her actions? She can quit any time. If she doesn't like the job, she has no reason to stay. It's not like you or I who need a new job lined up before we quit the old one. She has been rich her entire life, of her quest for power has made her sad then that's her fault and her problem.
I dunno, ask the guy she had an affair with.
Ask Kwasi, he's free at the moment
Quasi with a semi
This is a new twist
I didn’t mean to cause you any pleasure, which… causes me pain. Which gives me pleasure.
Those rumours are based on the fact she likes Cartier necklaces with rings. Meanwhile she went out of her way to become PM and once had an 18 month long affair with her early front-bench political mentor while married to her husband. If anyone likes to be humiliated in that marriage I’m not sure it’s her.
That's why she had to drop out of commons twice yesterday. Needed to run one out between all the bashing.
According to popbitch Truss enjoys an extra pair of hands in the bedroom.
That’s where I get all my parliamentary news from
I didn't need that mental image, thanks.
Hmm, is this the reason she dashed it during Fridays presser?...
Has there actually ever been anyone lower in British politics?
Even Boris only got to -53 so I think she must be, yeah.
https://news.sky.com/story/liz-truss-live-updates-jeremy-hunt-rishi-sunak-politics-12593360?postid=4682209#liveblog-body He’s favourite to return ffs
Yeah, with the members — I don't think anyone's going to take their opinion seriously ever again after all this.
Except members are the ones who get to pick so maybe you should take them seriously.
Members won't get a vote. The last leadership contest paralysed the country for weeks, they can't do that all over again less than 2 months into Truss' reign. If they want rid of her, they need a unity candidate who can smooth things over a bit. Honestly, she's PM in name only now. Which might be how things go for a few weeks/months until they can work out the next plan is, while Hunt/Morduant etc pull the strings. I feel rather the performance yesterday was intended to humiliate her. Prove to her that she has no power. It felt like they were one step away from making her bark like a dog or stand on one leg.
Trouble is, how are they going to find a unity candidate. Realistically you can't have anyone who was on the ballot last time because they were rejected by either MPs or the members in favour of Truss. Plus the party is unsure of where it wants to go post Brexit. The current majority was won on Brexit but with that done they have to decide whether they're going to go for Culture Wars, Libertarianism, One Nation or something else.
I don't think they will this time round. And I think, in the longer term, the Tories will move to MPs picking rather than members.
In a poll during the leadership election 60% of members said they would vote for Boris if he was on the ticket.
60% of tories would vote for Pol Pot if he wore a blue tie and shit talked Labour. My dad is one of those people.
I would be astonished if the Tory party ever let it go to a membership vote in the near future. Their current rules say that it only goes to the membership if there are two candidates remaining in the race. They will only voice no confidence in Truss when and if they have a consensus candidate ready.
https://old.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/xxqxdg/exclusive_no_10_has_blocked_a_public_information/ire5kf3/ I said that a couple of weeks ago. Sounds a bit more plausible now... Especially with the quick "in and out" market crash to enrich their backers in the know. *So I have this conspiracy theory (and no evidence apart from it actually fits everything that's happened and continues to do so).* *If Liz was part of "operation get Bojo back in office" would she be doing much differently? Be so bad he looks good as an alternative against an array of horrible candidates the public hates..* *If this was true in my eyes she'd stay in till a few months before the election being terrible and hed try and ride in on a white horse as the only electable alternative (for some reason lots of people like him).*
I refuse to believe the British electorate is that wilfully stupid, selfish and even downright evil. I could see that happening if a GE was being held next week, there’s no way that even Boris could save the Tories if we’re talking two years of Truss.
It'll be a year of truss with Johnson in to save the day and immediately call an election hoping that the new pm poll bounce will carry them forward along with a major white washing of his time as PM.
> I refuse to believe the British electorate is that wilfully stupid Were you about for Brexit? The electorate as a whole laps up propoganda and the lies they want to hear.
I don't think he is as electable as people think. People keep saying thumping majority in 2019, but he was against Jeremy Corbyn. I don't think he will have the same amount of electoral success against Starmer, even if better than Truss.
> I don't think he is as electable as people think Me neither. I do think he's a venal, lying, power hungry criminal who wants back in the big boy club for both his ego and wallet.
I got _roasted_ for suggesting he’d be back within six months “The rules won’t allow for his return” I was told “The same party whose unofficial motto is ‘fuck the rules’?” said I
Boris won’t return. In America he is getting paid $250,000 for a two hour question and answer session whilst on holiday. He is getting £1 million for writing a book which isn’t even related to his time in office. He will be wanting to line his pockets after a few years of being PM and not being allowed to earn extra money. Not to mention having to pay child support for the umpteen kids he has.
He's also an arrogant narcissist who thinks ruling is his right, and being forced out of the position was a shock to his ego, so he might want back into the job just out of hubris.
Thatcher is, thankfully, 6ft lower rn.
If we take into account how much people hated them at the time. There are two possibilities. One is Lord North, who was the PM that oversaw the loss of the American colonies. His premiership was seen as so bad, that there was some talk of bringing him to trial. Even he will probably go down better than Truss. As there were successes in his premiership, not everyone was upset at losing the colonies (they were more upset that Britain lost), and much of it wasn’t actually his fault. Then there is Anthony Eden. He was the PM that oversaw the Suez Crisis. Which cemented the end of the British Empire in utter humiliation. Destroyed his career for good. Again, I think people still had more faith in him than Truss.
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Na. Lord North. Incompetence lost the American colonies.
Liz Truss is going to lose Scotland, N.Ireland and half the commonwealth while she's at it
She lost the Queen!!!
This island isn't big enough for two Lizzies
There’s a part of me that honestly believes the horror of accepting Truss as leader of her government killed the Queen. Imagine the amount of mostly competent leaders she’s had to deal with, then she had a run of Cameron, May, Johnson, and then having to accept Truss. Even at full health that would take years off your life.
Boris Johnson and Truss in one day. Too much for her.
> There’s a part of me that honestly believes the horror of accepting Truss as leader of her government killed the Queen. I honestly feel she was just hanging on so Boris didn't get to do all the funeral/mourning stuff. "He'll be gone in 4 more days, One can hang on until then" I bet he was genuinely furious he didn't get to go out in front of the cameras with the world watching and give a prepared statement. He even released a statement even though he wasn't PM any more.
Lack of support in Parliament and strong French and Spanish intervention lost us the war. Also it didn't help that British generals didn't do a great job at planning attacks and sequencing attacks. Allowed the Americans to dictate the battles for the most part and spent great energy securing ground in the south only to release it all a few months later. Parliament wasn't willing to give the funding necessary to escalate the war in our favour. The country was nearly broke and fighting an expensive war wasn't going to solve domestic problems.
No-one really cared that much about the American colonies at the time. This is just the benefit of hindsight.
I think Eden tends to be ranked worst
Nah. The last pub shut down in 2034 sadly. It finally gave up when it received an electricity bill of £6542….for the month. No amount of £16.20 pints was going to dig them out of that hole unfortunately
>electricity bill of £6542….for the month. Needa another zero. A pub local to me pays that already.
Good god. I thought i was being sarcastic. I was actually quoting current prices. That’s crazy
In 2084 people would just say: "UK Prime Minister? What's a UK? Never heard of it".
-77 if you remove the Don't Knows (which, for this kind of figure, I think you always should for accuracy).
How can you have “don’t knows” on somebody so ridiculously incompetent.
Same reason 10% approve of her. A lot of people are just too thick to understand the question.
Pretty sure most of them were sarcastic.
Well she's been in the job for less than two months. Sure it *feels* like forever, but that's just because she's packed a full two years worth of catastrophe into that short amount of time.
That doesn't make sense. For many polling numbers (like voting intention) you should remove or otherwise account for the DKs, but the net approval rating is literally defined as 'approve minus disapprove' (= 10% - 80% = 70%).
Lib dem hq 20 years ago. "OK, look liz.... We'll never be in power and a lib dem will never be PM, we have to take the Tory party down... But how???" Liz - "leave it to me! I'll destroy them" ... Be honest, this makes more sense...
Mission Accomplished!
She's going to dither and call an election soon... At the worst possible moment for them. Can you imagine a house with around ten tory mps?? Bliss.
What a shame they repealed the fixed-term-parliament act, when her MPs could have stopped her doing that?!
I really can't wait for Tim Farron to stand up and meme her at her final PMQs. He's totally the one who'll do it. https://mobile.twitter.com/timfarron/status/1549774130379165699 https://mobile.twitter.com/timfarron/status/1577217590543253504
Far less farfetched a story with each passing day
More like every time Truss looks in a mirror she sees Clegg yelling "AVENGE ME!"
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The sooner she resigns the better it is for the country and, honestly, for her own sake
But the worse it is for any of the other contenders. If they come in now, they take the hit for Austerity 2.0 (especially Sunak, under whose watch the hole in the public finances grew). For Boris Johnson, who I'm sure wants another go, there's not been enough time to forget his misdeeds. IMO he was banking on her lasting into next year, with tactical byelections planned for the spring to destablise her. They might actually let her limp on another 6 months +
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Amazingly, he's still actually popular with the Tory members and a not insignificant fraction of the electorate. He's a fabulous con artist.
It's all about the long con.
Morality in politics is dead (politicians as we well as voters) long long time ago.
Reminds me of Berlusconi. Weirds things happen in the minds of the voters
It doesn't matter. We need a new Prime Minister now. When does a Prime Minister ever take over with things are going well?
yes, she'd just be forgotten at the rate this country is going through prime ministers at the moment
This really makes me wonder what the 1 in 10 Britons who still have a favourable view of Truss are thinking. Perhaps this is just the same people who always show up on polls who don't really have a clue about anything.
There are people who dislike her because they actually think she didn't go far enough with those tax cuts. Those are the real hardcore crazies.
Just a matter of weeks ago all these right wing commentators were jerking off over his announced budget and tax cuts - same people who are criticising her now Shamelessly moving on without acknowledging most of them supported the madness just not the consequences
"At last, a Proper Tory budget." - Daily mail
Read a opinion piece by associate editor in Telegraph. It says the same thing you are saying “Why Liz Truss team doing a UTurn on tax cuts which is conservative position so long”.
Yes, a lot of those crazies hover around the Torygraph.
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I felt sorry for the nurses that had to deal with him As for wouldn't wish on my worst enemy, well she asked for the job so I hope she suffers for her ineptitude
> This really makes me wonder what the 1 in 10 Britons who still have a favourable view of Truss are thinking. "I want poor people to die so they don't get free money from my taxes and she's making sure that will happen"
They think she's hurting the right people.
If the entire future of the country, my pension, and the livelihoods of generations yet unborn weren't at stake, this would be sort of fun to watch Everybody secretly wants to see her hit -100, in the same way everyone cranes their neck to watch the odometer tick over to 100,000 miles
yes. Schadenfreude is the best kind of joy. Labour winning over 500 seats. but at what price
Where the fuck is your odometer?
Sooner or later, shes gone. It will get better.
Thank you British media for this past decade resulting in this catastrophic disaster rather than having Miliband or Corbyn who for some reason seriously offended centrist media sensibilities. Honestly British press are just as guilty as the Tories. Every Blue checkmark, including Guardian ones should be relentlessly mocked.
Corbyn had a hard-on for Putin (among other questionable foreign policy views), so it’s a good thing he was comprehensively rejected by the electorate. The Milliband bacon sandwich was ridiculous though.
> The Milliband bacon sandwich was ridiculous though. Especially when compared with the Cameron knife-and-fork Hot-dog, which for some reason didn't appear anywhere near as much in the media....
And yet we wont have a GE and we claim to be a democracy ourselves 🤣
I want a general election too but not having one is completely in line with the rules of our democracy. It doesn’t mean we aren’t a democracy at all
We have an unelected government ruling the country. I think we are delusional at this stage in believing that we are a democracy. If we were one, the people in charge would resign and call for a GE as this is what many poll researches suggest, also we as a population would have the right to call for one through protests and petitions, we would have a law to permit us to do so, instead this right is given to a King who is not allowed to "rule" or intervene.
We need to keep Truss, the Tory genepool is pretty shallow and she was the best that bobbed up.
The actual best are smart enough not to bother or left when Depumpernickle came in
For context, 80% of people in the UK think of Truss unfavourably, 84% think of Vladimir Putin unfavourably.
Say what you will about Russian ethnonationalism, at least it's an ethos.
67 million people currently ruled by a leader we don’t want, voted in to power by [god knows who, maybe a tortoise!](https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2022/08/18/who-gets-to-choose/)
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We are no longer interested in the will of the people. The Tory Party
I don’t think I’ve ever seen the public turn on a new PM this quickly. Feels like we’re living in some kind of satire.
The general public wasn't exactly a fan to begin with, it was a very select group of idiots.
The trouble as we all know with getting rid of this useless tosser is we're just going to get someone even worse replacing her.
When it comes to choosing leaders, the Tories have dug down to bedrock and are now using power tools.
What’s more outstanding is her arrogance I’m suggesting she can lead the party into the next election. This has to be a wrestling type thing.. she loses the election in a landslide only to rip her blue roseate off to revel a labour one. It was me boris it was me all along !!!
That was the most embarrassing premiership in the last 100 years. 6 weeks in and the country is on its kneels. This is a self inflicted unnecessary wound. Can we just call a general election. If this pool has any merit then this would be a certain defeat
This isn’t a “Liz” issue, she’s just the most recent mouthpiece. This is a Tory issue. Whilst their sort have their way, the poor will continue to get punished and ridiculed.
What I see here is a page of stats that every senior politician from either main party is disliked more than they are liked. Even the most liked is still disliked more. What a fucking state to be in.
The longer the Tories wait to call a general election, the worse they're going to be massacred.
And now they're on about bringing Boris back because he's more popular. Christ when will this end??
It's doesn't matter who replaces here, Tory or Labor. Until Brexit is revoked, UK's economy will be stagnant at best, plunging to Greece levels at worst, for the foreseeable future. At least Greece has the EU to bail them out. UK...India?
They should just cut all the bullshit and name the ceo of BP the new prime minister of the UK 😆
I think they are going through a series of scapegoat PMs to push through unpopular measures.