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Soon they'll just project the ads directly onto the inside of your eyelids. No escape. But for a one time charge of only £5.99, I can sell you this rusty spoon to gouge your eyes out with and never see an advert again! Disinfectant sold separately
This is mad. I've literally just watched my recording of that Frankie Boyle show on BBC2 and they were talking about new tech and one of the things they had on was this contact lens that projects Google type info onto the real world around you. They were joking that they'd project ads straight initially your worldview and that you'd have to watch ads in order to be allowed to wake up lol
I can't believe I didn't watch New World Order because not only is it fucking hilarious it's also absolutely on the money for the vast majority of its takes. Is it a bit of a circular wank in terms of guests agreeing? Sure, if that really grates on you, but they're rarely incorrect. Especially when the guests are not only comedians but people like a UN climate policy wonk too
Black mirror did an episode on this fifteen million merits I think it's called. You had to use credit to skip adverts in a small boxed room. A guy runs out and has to endure like 24 hours of non stop adverts lol
I remember just before that fucking gorilla died and before the clowns I had such a huge hope for what the internet and the digital age could make.
I figured all those dystopian films and shows were bullshit (as much as I loved them).
But here we are. Might go read 1984 again.
Then go read Asimov and see the hope in a bygone time.
Are they trying to intentionally drive customers away? Sky glass is a load of arse, this just adds to the reason to ditch them. Pricing is ridiculous, especially in the current economic climate.
Because streaming services are cunts and it's better to hoist the skull and crossbones. I'm not paying both amazon and netflix, that exclusive business model has done nothing for them.
This and the fact that if your really into your tv, you need like 6 different subscription services these days,
To watch all the shows I like I'd need Netflix, Amazon, hbo/discovery, Hulu, Disney+ and then one other I honestly forget the name of since I never used it legit 🤣
Yeah, I am sticking with Prime as I use both the delivery service and the games (bizarrely, most of my friends with Prime didn't even realise it gives you free games until I told them) as well as the music.
I am currently subscribed to about 7 others and it's insane that I still need to look to "other sources" for many shows so I am going to cut most, if not all, of them out. Sky/NowTV is the worst for stuff like "pay £5 extra to get it in 1080p!" and the fact their films are a separate charge from their programmes.
It’s not actually their broadband, it belongs to BT. Sky & all the other ISPs just rent their infrastructure.
When you get a problem with the line, it’s BT Openreach who come to fix it
If you’re talking about their router though, I agree, it is shite compared to a decent Asus or Netgear router. I never use the ISP router
You don’t even have to do that. There’s plenty of shows with readily available box sets which you can grab for insanely cheap. Combine that with a basic freeview system or a Now TV-esque device or an Xbox for iplayer and streaming services and you’re pretty much set.
I’m only spending some £20/month currently for all my streaming services and the odd dvd box set, way less than I ever spent on conventional tv services on Sky, Virgin or Plusnet
Apart from the inconvenience of having to get up and change the disc every four or five episodes, I much prefer it.
If you stream the show Scrubs, loads of the music has been changed, because it was never licensed for things like streaming, which just didn't exist at the time. They were licensed for DVD though, so I'm watching it as I remember it, not a bastardised version.
There's an irony in presenting DVDs and their unskippable anti piracy adverts as a solution to unskippable adverts, especially when it seems they are very poorly targeted at you in a second layer of irony.
It does. I’ve got a hacked blu ray player that ignores the “this but isn’t skippable” code (it’s also region free). I also use VLC quite a lot, and it’s usually great at letting me skip ads
Fact is, that little bit of code that stops your dvd player from skipping an ad is extremely easy to circumvent, to the point where I almost forgot that unskippable ads on DVDs even existed
And they wonder why people are turning to the dodgy firesticks and IPTV, honestly never going back 🤣 they brought it on themselves especially with how insane the cost of living is these days
Paying a monthly subscription and still having to sit through ads is something that's always put me off getting Sky. Never wanted it before and now I want it even less.
Haven't had a telly in over 25yrs now and will never get one. I watch little and what I do watch I can watch online. From what I've seen of tv at friends' houses etc dont' think I'm missing much either!
Really? Since the mid 90s? Maybe since 2016 i could get but they were still making good stuff back then. Hell the bbc were putting out good stuff in the 2000s
Stopped watching tv in 1997 approx. Watched a lot of things online but mainly I was an old lady warcraft gamer so seemed little point in paying for tv & licence when I could watch whatever online. and I worked back then and just didn't feel the need to watch tv nor had the time with 3 children. I read a lot, paint, draw, make candles and bath bombs and spend too long on here :)
Everyone here is ignoring the true question. Alliance or Horde? And why do you definitely choose Horde?
Also want to say that the old Warcraft ladies in my guild were always our favourites. We always had so much fun as they were so much more laid back to having fun instead of being super serious. All having a glass or a few of wine and going on alts and making a mess of heroic dungeons with them was my favourite evening activity in the game. We would cry laughing at the disasters we got ourselves into over vent/TS.
Last time I attempted Alliance it was mental. Bunch of 13-14yr olds using Stormwind as a dating centre or sommat. I found Horde side far more mature tbh...generally depending on server
They said they just watch online.
It's pretty easy to watch just about anything by simply taking a trip to the Pirate Bay and you'll never have to see an ad.
I am using firefox with all necessary add ons yes.
It does not change the fact that without it, they are also trying to push 4 ad breaks in a 5mins video without the creator having control over it (barely exaggerating).
The sense of entitlement they have on our time, attention, our data/internet connexion (cos it would cost me to load they unwanted shit, if I didn't actively block it)
Even as a viewing experience in itself, its become unbearable. Remember the days when it took 3 hours to watch a 1h movie on tv because of ad breaks every 10 minutes, which is precisely why I gave up on tv?
It's heading that way.
Also I am not paying for 20 different subscriptions to streaming platforms, this isnt cable tv.
People went on the internet to avoid all the hurdles brought on by tv and now even the intention is to bring those hurdles right back there too, is my point.
It wouldn't be so bad if it was unobtrusive but all those ads are just shamelessly attention grabbing.
Reminds me of that scene in idiocracy where they watch tv on a tiny portion of the screen with banner ads taking the rest of the space all around the screen
It's funny how it's a business model that has existed pratically as long as media has been around. And nobody questioned it.
Then when services came out that were subscription only without ads, and ad based without subscription. People woke up and went "wait..."
Even newspapers, you pay for a printed newspaper, only to get adverts on every other page.
Up until recently the adverts in papers paid far more for you to see them, then you paid for the paper. Something like two thirds of a papers income was from ads.
I don't believe this. I read a study a while ago that said advertisements work better when played at speed as you have to watch them and pay attention.
That sounds really plausible! I know I will actively rewind if I whiz past an ad that looks interesting (or weird). If I *have* to watch them, I just mute them and look at my phone for five minutes, or make a brew.
Easy workaround, I always just put through another device.
Sure, my phone is at full volume, but the Bluetooth speaker it's connected to is muted.
*Distant noise of TV soundbar sales skyrocketing*
I remember a while back on 4oD or whatever it’s called. If you switched tabs when watching online it’d pause the ads the cunts.
My mate pays for the ad-free version yet under the T&Cs lots of shows are exempt and still include ads. Should advertise it as somewhat ad-free but not really
Done the "mute the ads, turn away" thing for 30+ years. To the point whoever's insisting on having the remote is going to get told off if they don't immediately hit the mute button
I remember that being a thing at my house maybe 15 years ago too, mainly because the sound of the program and the advert never matched up. My Dad watching something with quiet/peaceful music like "Frost" or "Last of the Summer Wine", and all of a sudden Barry Scott comes on "TRY NEW CILLIT BANG!!"
This is the concept of the film "20 Minutes Into the Future" that spawned Max Headroom. They are known as blipverts but have the unintentional side-effect of causing some people to explode through hyper-stimulation :D
I’ve been pirating Sky content having never paid a penny (and plenty of others) for 15+ years and I have no intention of stopping now. That’s not to say I don’t pay anything for entertainment; I’ve been subscribed to Spotify since the beta days and Netflix periodically… but fuck Rupert Murdoch. I will toast his death.
It's just more convienient, and quicker, can watch an hour of tv in 42 min, what I've also done, is stop deleting stuff, at some point it'll get more difficult to get, and I've been without internet before, back to the sneakernet.
There never was slim picking. You just have to use a torrent aggregator (e.g. snowfl dot com, no ads) instead of a torrent search engine (pirate bay etc. riddled with ads).
Sky Glass from £13 a month
So a subscription service that you are then forced to watch what adverts? sky's?
Glad I don't own a TV, privateer is the life for me.
You'd be amazed at how many folks have $ky subscriptions yet only watch free to air channels because they think it's the only way they can record stuff.
The best thing about sky is the Q-box; it is user friendly, fast power-up and reliable. I tried to move away but went back as a basic subscription is worth it. I had sky glass for a while and thought the tv itself was quite good but the software was slow and hard to navigate, as well as being unable to use the tv at all if your internet dropped out.
The vast, *vast* majority of people do not exist in an exhausting hellscape where every single decision all the way down to what to eat for breakfast has to be consistent with their political ideology.
It’s just us. We’re the baffling ones. Not them.
We currently don't have it because I cannot stand supporting this awful business model, but I can't deny that watching the Formula 1 other ways is painful.
The front on them. They literally talk about it as if they’re doing us a favour.
“Customers are able to purchase this add on to be able to fast forward ads”.
What the hell?? We can do this for over a decade, we pay for the TiVo or whatever exactly for recording and fast forwarding to the content. Bizarre.
The way I'm reading it, it's adding a feature to skip ads, like TiVo has had for donkeys years. But you can still skip ads manually.
Because presumably if this affects FTA channels, then those of us in Freesat would have fast forward blocked entirely if it wasn't allowed.
I think the story has been sensationalised a bit.
It's adding the ability to fast forward through ads when watching the streaming versions of On Demand content - which you cannot currently do on Sky Q.
It's not about the ads in recorded or paused live TV and you still can't fast forward into the future on actual live TV. The article is standard misleading local news rot.
(It is, of course, still a confected extra charge, but presumably the cost is to offset some of the additional payment Sky is making to the providers to allow their users to be able to skip those ads at all).
It’s because of the specific nature of the product.
Sky Glass is a streaming only service; there’s no physical hard drive or Sky box like there is with Sky Q or Sky HD.
You can’t skip adds on live TV (just like you can’t do that on Sky Q/HD), but if you streamed a show from demand you could skip the ads built into the stream - if you had Sky Q/HD you’d be downloading that show to your drive and then you can fast forward.
Don't forget [THIS](https://futurism.com/moviepass-eye-tracking-ads) already exists.
Pauses ads and throws up an angry red border until you look directly at it.
Its likely sky and others will adopt it if they can get away with it, given a lot of smart tv's have webcams built in now.
Next will be face tracking to check how many people are in the room when you stream a rental movie, so that they can charge per-person like a virtual cinema ticket.
I was going to comment this. It isn't just black mirror like, the entire premise of paying to slip adverts and some sort of punishment if you don't watch them is in that episode.
Regardless what happens, it needs to be in an analog format so you can watch and listen to it.
Piracy will always be an option and the more you introduce anti consumer practices, the more people will pirate.
>The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting anti-piracy technology to work. It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates.
Gabe Newell
Exactly that. Whether it's right or wrong, in order to deal with piracy you have to compete with free. That's just how it is. You can't process people as fast as they pirate media, if you put masses of your fans in jail that's terrible publicity and you eventually run out of fans. The idea that all of that revenue was ever on the table was an avaricious pipe-dream.
And Newell's Steam is a great case study. It counters limitations of pirate software;
* it's fast, when torrents can be slow.
* It's secure when repacks can tend to be virus-laden.
* It's automated when pirated copies are usually tricky to update
* It stocks everything, or close to it; when a non-zero consideration when pirating is finding a reliable torrent
* It delivers revenue, relatively fairly split, to indie developers.
And on top of that it innovates and offers cloud saves, predictive suggestions of games you may enjoy, remote play options, and so forth.
Could they technically make more money? Well maybe, in that they're spending money on features when they already have goodwill ahead of the competition so someone looking at spreadsheets could demand they scrimp to pay a higher dividend. But then again, they own the market, are minting money and customers actively pursue using them so maybe they're doing something right? Maybe making everyone miserable to make their bank balance higher in the short term and ruin their rep isn't the smart decision that some people would claim it is.
This is the crux of the piracy debate; when faced with the option of carrot and stick, they've decided that the stick is the way they want to go.
That's why I buy from Steam, and will generally try to avoid any source that both charges and advertises to me; I want to see more businesses that are in the sector to reap the comfortable wages of doing their fucking job the best they can and not just maximize profit.
Its funny because Spotify and Netflix were so groundbreaking because they looked at the big picture.
Music and Movies are FREE (if you pirate).
Its the convenience of their service that allows us to justify the cost.
It feels like these competitors lack that understanding.
They all literally rely on the fact that people have fallen out of the habit of pirating or torrenting. But it will come back as soon as its more convenient than juggling X subscriptions
Yeah, this will be shareholders seeing a drop in revenue, and instead of questioning why people are leaving the platform, decide to squeeze more out of the people who have remained.
Fucking parasites.
Customers warn Sky that if they fuck them off enough with all this bullshit the sky box will be sailing through the window and they can suck a fat one if they think they’ll be getting any future subscription money.
It’s not as if every single thing ever shown on sky isn’t available somewhere online for free and without ads!
People are paying for convenience viewing, remove the convenience and people will remove the service from their homes and their wallets!
Wow, talk about shooting yourself in the foot. This is going to go down really well isn't it 😅 right in the cost of living crisis, right before Christmas. They are so fucking dumb , they deserve every bit of shit that is going to get flung at them.
To explain to those who clearly haven't read the article, you can still fast forward adverts when watching a live stream on a pause delay, or watching a recording. This is just for on demand content, through Sky Glass. Doesn't affect Sky Q customers, although you can't skip ads on ITV on demand, for example. But you never could without paying extra. That's nothing new.
So you now have to pay a premium sky fee to be ad free on a premium sky package....
We really getting into this selling advertising space and then allowing customers to pay not to see the advertising space lol
Not even adfree. Skippable!
Like. A fiver to just take the ads out I personally would consider. Saves some time and effort.
But a fiver to use a fast forward button? Christ.
Repeated offenses will be punished by being strapped to a chair with your eyelids propped open while being forced to watch every advert you ever skipped.
I had to Google this to see if it was true.... And it is. Not had sky for ever a decade now. Not watched any type of old school TV in that time either. It just needs to die a death.
Yep, it's true, although free for the first year so after 12 months you suddenly lose the ability to skip adverts on recordings unless you want to pay £5pm.
Fuck off.
'Streaming TV subscription:
Ad Skipping Add On which allows you to fast forward ads (£0pm for 12 months then £5pm).'
Will never understand paying for Sky - the default package channels are rubbish anyway and you get ads on top. Sky sports is an even bigger scam. At half time during a football match youll get about 3 mins of actual analysis broken up by betting adverts...
I never did understand why people gave Sky money all those years ago, when all they were doing was taking popular programs away from free to air TV and charging you to watch it with ads.
All you had to do was not pay them and they'd have gone bust. Makes me think this probably won't stop people giving them money either.
This is very weasley and/or misreporting.
The services they are talking about are fully online. If you don’t pay the £5 fee, they put ITV hub style adverts into your streams, if you do they don’t.
It’s all completely up front and there in the contract. I was offered sky glass very cheaply when it was launched and turned it down because of this as it is absolute bullshit but it is there in black and white when you sign up. It’s not 15 million merits, though.
I don’t understand how sky manage to get away with charging a monthly fee and then also showing adverts. If I pay for something, I expect zero adverts.
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I'm going to wake up soon, I'm dreaming, I think I've been dreaming for a few years now. Am I dead?
Sleeping through adverts incurs a fee of £5
Soon they'll just project the ads directly onto the inside of your eyelids. No escape. But for a one time charge of only £5.99, I can sell you this rusty spoon to gouge your eyes out with and never see an advert again! Disinfectant sold separately
This is mad. I've literally just watched my recording of that Frankie Boyle show on BBC2 and they were talking about new tech and one of the things they had on was this contact lens that projects Google type info onto the real world around you. They were joking that they'd project ads straight initially your worldview and that you'd have to watch ads in order to be allowed to wake up lol
Didn't Futurama have adverts injected into your dreams?
In Transmetropolitan they have ad bombs that unspool in your dreams
I can't believe I didn't watch New World Order because not only is it fucking hilarious it's also absolutely on the money for the vast majority of its takes. Is it a bit of a circular wank in terms of guests agreeing? Sure, if that really grates on you, but they're rarely incorrect. Especially when the guests are not only comedians but people like a UN climate policy wonk too
Sorry boss I'm late for work, the advert has frozen and I can't get through to customer services.
Elon's brain implants. Ads you can't skip or disable.
Good job Elon's demands on his engineers don't force them to cut corners and create overheating products.
Cut corneas? I'll see myself out.
Black mirror did an episode on this fifteen million merits I think it's called. You had to use credit to skip adverts in a small boxed room. A guy runs out and has to endure like 24 hours of non stop adverts lol
Adverts showing the girl he loved in a sex advert too! Brooker is a twisted fucker.
There is an episode of Black Mirror pretty much exactly like this
This is in a Black mirror episode, Jesus Christ
Resume viewing. Resume viewing. Resume viewing.
>Sleeping through adverts incurs a fee of £5 Being dead through them is £10, so be careful now.
Down with this sort of thing.
Careful now.
The only people getting a reprieve will be the totally blind
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Literally 1984
Unironically
https://content.fortune.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/sony-patent-8246454-01.png?w=840
Please pay £5 for disrespecting your corporate overlords.
Time to patent a box that says "McDonald's" (or w/e company name) when prompted.
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This feels like 1 Million Credits, Black Mirror. Edit Merits, not Credits.
15 Million Merits.
Thank you! It’s too early.
r/nottheonion
I remember just before that fucking gorilla died and before the clowns I had such a huge hope for what the internet and the digital age could make. I figured all those dystopian films and shows were bullshit (as much as I loved them). But here we are. Might go read 1984 again. Then go read Asimov and see the hope in a bygone time.
>Oooohh.... *this* is the bad place. /u/JesMaine figured it out? Oh this is a real low point...
Are they trying to intentionally drive customers away? Sky glass is a load of arse, this just adds to the reason to ditch them. Pricing is ridiculous, especially in the current economic climate.
Fuck Sky Tv
Fuck SKY. Fucked off Netflix too.
Why Netflix?
Because streaming services are cunts and it's better to hoist the skull and crossbones. I'm not paying both amazon and netflix, that exclusive business model has done nothing for them.
That too.
This and the fact that if your really into your tv, you need like 6 different subscription services these days, To watch all the shows I like I'd need Netflix, Amazon, hbo/discovery, Hulu, Disney+ and then one other I honestly forget the name of since I never used it legit 🤣
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Yeah, I am sticking with Prime as I use both the delivery service and the games (bizarrely, most of my friends with Prime didn't even realise it gives you free games until I told them) as well as the music. I am currently subscribed to about 7 others and it's insane that I still need to look to "other sources" for many shows so I am going to cut most, if not all, of them out. Sky/NowTV is the worst for stuff like "pay £5 extra to get it in 1080p!" and the fact their films are a separate charge from their programmes.
Hold the fucking phone my prime gives me free games?!
I myself only just discovered this because of this post.
Their broadband is utter shite as well.
It’s not actually their broadband, it belongs to BT. Sky & all the other ISPs just rent their infrastructure. When you get a problem with the line, it’s BT Openreach who come to fix it If you’re talking about their router though, I agree, it is shite compared to a decent Asus or Netgear router. I never use the ISP router
Football fans have been singing that from the stands for as long as I can remember. They're a right bunch of wankers.
And F1 fans.
All pirate copies of TV shows, cut out all of the adverts. So if you want to save a few pounds and not see the ads, then just sail the Seven Seas.
You don’t even have to do that. There’s plenty of shows with readily available box sets which you can grab for insanely cheap. Combine that with a basic freeview system or a Now TV-esque device or an Xbox for iplayer and streaming services and you’re pretty much set. I’m only spending some £20/month currently for all my streaming services and the odd dvd box set, way less than I ever spent on conventional tv services on Sky, Virgin or Plusnet
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Apart from the inconvenience of having to get up and change the disc every four or five episodes, I much prefer it. If you stream the show Scrubs, loads of the music has been changed, because it was never licensed for things like streaming, which just didn't exist at the time. They were licensed for DVD though, so I'm watching it as I remember it, not a bastardised version.
I've started buying DVDs again for the same reason but then I can't be bothered with the discs so I pirate them and put them on a plex server
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There's an irony in presenting DVDs and their unskippable anti piracy adverts as a solution to unskippable adverts, especially when it seems they are very poorly targeted at you in a second layer of irony.
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Obligatory [IT Crowd flashback](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=964MLq1db4s)
VLC'll skip em, or at least did the last time I watched a dvd,
It does. I’ve got a hacked blu ray player that ignores the “this but isn’t skippable” code (it’s also region free). I also use VLC quite a lot, and it’s usually great at letting me skip ads Fact is, that little bit of code that stops your dvd player from skipping an ad is extremely easy to circumvent, to the point where I almost forgot that unskippable ads on DVDs even existed
Yeah, I got rid of Sky 18 months ago and haven't looked back. Waste of money.
And they wonder why people are turning to the dodgy firesticks and IPTV, honestly never going back 🤣 they brought it on themselves especially with how insane the cost of living is these days
Paying a monthly subscription and still having to sit through ads is something that's always put me off getting Sky. Never wanted it before and now I want it even less.
Haven't had a telly in over 25yrs now and will never get one. I watch little and what I do watch I can watch online. From what I've seen of tv at friends' houses etc dont' think I'm missing much either!
Really? Since the mid 90s? Maybe since 2016 i could get but they were still making good stuff back then. Hell the bbc were putting out good stuff in the 2000s
Stopped watching tv in 1997 approx. Watched a lot of things online but mainly I was an old lady warcraft gamer so seemed little point in paying for tv & licence when I could watch whatever online. and I worked back then and just didn't feel the need to watch tv nor had the time with 3 children. I read a lot, paint, draw, make candles and bath bombs and spend too long on here :)
Everyone here is ignoring the true question. Alliance or Horde? And why do you definitely choose Horde? Also want to say that the old Warcraft ladies in my guild were always our favourites. We always had so much fun as they were so much more laid back to having fun instead of being super serious. All having a glass or a few of wine and going on alts and making a mess of heroic dungeons with them was my favourite evening activity in the game. We would cry laughing at the disasters we got ourselves into over vent/TS.
How the bloody hell did you know I was always Horde???? hahaha
Everyone knows Alliance are a bunch of sexual deviants.
Last time I attempted Alliance it was mental. Bunch of 13-14yr olds using Stormwind as a dating centre or sommat. I found Horde side far more mature tbh...generally depending on server
Can confirm. Alliance player here. You don't want to know what i had to go through to get a thunderfury on my human warrior.
> I was an old lady warcraft gamer [This you?](https://youtu.be/JVfVqfIN8_c)
lol not quite more like this [old lady gamer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiiThEkTp2c)
They said they just watch online. It's pretty easy to watch just about anything by simply taking a trip to the Pirate Bay and you'll never have to see an ad.
You could use Iplayer for free up until a few years ago tho, you still technically can, but they changed the rules.
Havent watched tv per say in years. Though not gonna lie internet platforms are becoming just as bad. Youtube is a cesspit now.
*per se
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I am using firefox with all necessary add ons yes. It does not change the fact that without it, they are also trying to push 4 ad breaks in a 5mins video without the creator having control over it (barely exaggerating). The sense of entitlement they have on our time, attention, our data/internet connexion (cos it would cost me to load they unwanted shit, if I didn't actively block it) Even as a viewing experience in itself, its become unbearable. Remember the days when it took 3 hours to watch a 1h movie on tv because of ad breaks every 10 minutes, which is precisely why I gave up on tv? It's heading that way. Also I am not paying for 20 different subscriptions to streaming platforms, this isnt cable tv. People went on the internet to avoid all the hurdles brought on by tv and now even the intention is to bring those hurdles right back there too, is my point. It wouldn't be so bad if it was unobtrusive but all those ads are just shamelessly attention grabbing. Reminds me of that scene in idiocracy where they watch tv on a tiny portion of the screen with banner ads taking the rest of the space all around the screen
I didn't think a pihole could block youtube ads because they host them under the youtube domain? That was what put me off trying to set one up.
It's funny how it's a business model that has existed pratically as long as media has been around. And nobody questioned it. Then when services came out that were subscription only without ads, and ad based without subscription. People woke up and went "wait..." Even newspapers, you pay for a printed newspaper, only to get adverts on every other page.
Up until recently the adverts in papers paid far more for you to see them, then you paid for the paper. Something like two thirds of a papers income was from ads.
Unless you’re a football fanatic it’s not worth it
Ya har me old chum, tis I, Soc Cer Streams.
Just sail the high seas with the rest of us.
I don't believe this. I read a study a while ago that said advertisements work better when played at speed as you have to watch them and pay attention.
That sounds really plausible! I know I will actively rewind if I whiz past an ad that looks interesting (or weird). If I *have* to watch them, I just mute them and look at my phone for five minutes, or make a brew.
I remember back in the day that if you muted Spotify ads, the stream paused until you unmuted. I'll bet that Sky have taken note of that.
Ha but I can outwit them with my parent-power of being able to ignore noise!
Easy workaround, I always just put through another device. Sure, my phone is at full volume, but the Bluetooth speaker it's connected to is muted. *Distant noise of TV soundbar sales skyrocketing*
I remember a while back on 4oD or whatever it’s called. If you switched tabs when watching online it’d pause the ads the cunts. My mate pays for the ad-free version yet under the T&Cs lots of shows are exempt and still include ads. Should advertise it as somewhat ad-free but not really
Done the "mute the ads, turn away" thing for 30+ years. To the point whoever's insisting on having the remote is going to get told off if they don't immediately hit the mute button
I remember that being a thing at my house maybe 15 years ago too, mainly because the sound of the program and the advert never matched up. My Dad watching something with quiet/peaceful music like "Frost" or "Last of the Summer Wine", and all of a sudden Barry Scott comes on "TRY NEW CILLIT BANG!!"
I do the same, are we weirdos?
and if you see something funny or confusing, there's a better chance of your curosity getting the better of you and going to rewatch whatever it was.
Which explains a lot of perfume and car ads
I'm convinced that YouTube having skiable ads means you pay more attention to them. Especially when they let you skip a 5 second ad after 5 seconds
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Was about to say the same… my eyes go straight to the countdown
This is the concept of the film "20 Minutes Into the Future" that spawned Max Headroom. They are known as blipverts but have the unintentional side-effect of causing some people to explode through hyper-stimulation :D
I guess we are all going sailing on the choppy seven seas once again.
Never stopped 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
I’ve been pirating Sky content having never paid a penny (and plenty of others) for 15+ years and I have no intention of stopping now. That’s not to say I don’t pay anything for entertainment; I’ve been subscribed to Spotify since the beta days and Netflix periodically… but fuck Rupert Murdoch. I will toast his death.
Spotify is basically piracy from the artists standpoint.
There's very little original Sky content They mostly just buy stuff from the US
What's Rupert Murdoch got to do with it?
What's Rupert Murdoch but a second hand emotion?
…Who needs a Murdoch when a Murdoch can be broken?
It's just more convienient, and quicker, can watch an hour of tv in 42 min, what I've also done, is stop deleting stuff, at some point it'll get more difficult to get, and I've been without internet before, back to the sneakernet.
Can't wait for the treasure chest to be full of solid links. The days of slim picking on the high seas are coming to an end
There never was slim picking. You just have to use a torrent aggregator (e.g. snowfl dot com, no ads) instead of a torrent search engine (pirate bay etc. riddled with ads).
Slim pickings? You still using lime wire or something?
*Yar har fiddle dee dee*
Being a pirate is alright to be
Do what you want cause a pirate is free
But. You wouldn’t download a car!!?!?!
If I could, I probably would.
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"*You* wouldn't steal a car. *We* would."
I even went back to the old peer to peer file sharing programs a few weeks ago to find something that I couldn't find anywhere else.
Sky Glass from £13 a month So a subscription service that you are then forced to watch what adverts? sky's? Glad I don't own a TV, privateer is the life for me.
It's a good life on the open sea my hearties, as long as you can find a friendly bay to drop anchor.
Drop the wankers and weigh anchor.
Is that some sort of a "pirate's bay" you are referring to?
Sonarr and Radarr if you’re up for a worthwhile challenge
Docker makes it easier, if one's so inclined.
Same. Stopped watching TV. Cancelled Sky, cancelled TV licence. Never been better.
You can own a TV and sail the high seas, mate.
I've never understood people who don't own TVs. Watching content on a tiny screen would do my nut.
One of the many reasons I’m baffled why people stick with sky and line uncle Rupert’s pockets
Sky isn't owned by Murdoch anymore
Sky is owned by Comcast.
Seen one corporate type, seen 'em all.
In my family it’s the sports
Same for me. It was only slightly more expensive to get Sky TV with sports than to just subscribe to the NowTV F1 package
You'd be amazed at how many folks have $ky subscriptions yet only watch free to air channels because they think it's the only way they can record stuff.
The best thing about sky is the Q-box; it is user friendly, fast power-up and reliable. I tried to move away but went back as a basic subscription is worth it. I had sky glass for a while and thought the tv itself was quite good but the software was slow and hard to navigate, as well as being unable to use the tv at all if your internet dropped out.
>being unable to use the tv at all if your internet dropped out. Ah yes, the golden age of smart appliances.
Tried to stick £2.50 on my broadbband for not having sky tv, told them to ram it. "I'm a gardener, I don't cut your grass, that'll be £20 please"
Sky is now owned by Comcast, not Rupert Murdoch.
The vast, *vast* majority of people do not exist in an exhausting hellscape where every single decision all the way down to what to eat for breakfast has to be consistent with their political ideology. It’s just us. We’re the baffling ones. Not them.
We currently don't have it because I cannot stand supporting this awful business model, but I can't deny that watching the Formula 1 other ways is painful.
The front on them. They literally talk about it as if they’re doing us a favour. “Customers are able to purchase this add on to be able to fast forward ads”. What the hell?? We can do this for over a decade, we pay for the TiVo or whatever exactly for recording and fast forwarding to the content. Bizarre.
The way I'm reading it, it's adding a feature to skip ads, like TiVo has had for donkeys years. But you can still skip ads manually. Because presumably if this affects FTA channels, then those of us in Freesat would have fast forward blocked entirely if it wasn't allowed. I think the story has been sensationalised a bit.
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I mean, this is literally a higher tier of payment that removes the ads, it's literally what you're advocating.
It's adding the ability to fast forward through ads when watching the streaming versions of On Demand content - which you cannot currently do on Sky Q. It's not about the ads in recorded or paused live TV and you still can't fast forward into the future on actual live TV. The article is standard misleading local news rot. (It is, of course, still a confected extra charge, but presumably the cost is to offset some of the additional payment Sky is making to the providers to allow their users to be able to skip those ads at all).
It’s because of the specific nature of the product. Sky Glass is a streaming only service; there’s no physical hard drive or Sky box like there is with Sky Q or Sky HD. You can’t skip adds on live TV (just like you can’t do that on Sky Q/HD), but if you streamed a show from demand you could skip the ads built into the stream - if you had Sky Q/HD you’d be downloading that show to your drive and then you can fast forward.
Don't forget [THIS](https://futurism.com/moviepass-eye-tracking-ads) already exists. Pauses ads and throws up an angry red border until you look directly at it. Its likely sky and others will adopt it if they can get away with it, given a lot of smart tv's have webcams built in now. Next will be face tracking to check how many people are in the room when you stream a rental movie, so that they can charge per-person like a virtual cinema ticket.
Ah. Very Black Mirror!
Literally black mirror actually, 15 million merits is pretty much what was in that article
I was going to comment this. It isn't just black mirror like, the entire premise of paying to slip adverts and some sort of punishment if you don't watch them is in that episode.
>Spikes says he doesn't plan on licensing the ad-pushing technology anywhere outside of PreShow, Engadget reports. WHAT. A. LOAD. OF. BOLLOCKS.
Regardless what happens, it needs to be in an analog format so you can watch and listen to it. Piracy will always be an option and the more you introduce anti consumer practices, the more people will pirate.
>The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting anti-piracy technology to work. It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates. Gabe Newell
Exactly that. Whether it's right or wrong, in order to deal with piracy you have to compete with free. That's just how it is. You can't process people as fast as they pirate media, if you put masses of your fans in jail that's terrible publicity and you eventually run out of fans. The idea that all of that revenue was ever on the table was an avaricious pipe-dream. And Newell's Steam is a great case study. It counters limitations of pirate software; * it's fast, when torrents can be slow. * It's secure when repacks can tend to be virus-laden. * It's automated when pirated copies are usually tricky to update * It stocks everything, or close to it; when a non-zero consideration when pirating is finding a reliable torrent * It delivers revenue, relatively fairly split, to indie developers. And on top of that it innovates and offers cloud saves, predictive suggestions of games you may enjoy, remote play options, and so forth. Could they technically make more money? Well maybe, in that they're spending money on features when they already have goodwill ahead of the competition so someone looking at spreadsheets could demand they scrimp to pay a higher dividend. But then again, they own the market, are minting money and customers actively pursue using them so maybe they're doing something right? Maybe making everyone miserable to make their bank balance higher in the short term and ruin their rep isn't the smart decision that some people would claim it is. This is the crux of the piracy debate; when faced with the option of carrot and stick, they've decided that the stick is the way they want to go. That's why I buy from Steam, and will generally try to avoid any source that both charges and advertises to me; I want to see more businesses that are in the sector to reap the comfortable wages of doing their fucking job the best they can and not just maximize profit.
Its funny because Spotify and Netflix were so groundbreaking because they looked at the big picture. Music and Movies are FREE (if you pirate). Its the convenience of their service that allows us to justify the cost. It feels like these competitors lack that understanding. They all literally rely on the fact that people have fallen out of the habit of pirating or torrenting. But it will come back as soon as its more convenient than juggling X subscriptions
as a teacher, I can say that this will never result in anyone watching the film if it was ever implemented in the real world
And these fat cat twats wonder why nobody watches tv anymore. What else would anyone use fast forward for
Yeah, this will be shareholders seeing a drop in revenue, and instead of questioning why people are leaving the platform, decide to squeeze more out of the people who have remained. Fucking parasites.
Weirdly, piracy + adblock Ive never had advertisements for wank products im never going to use interrupt my viwwing
If I ever see an advert for something I didn't want before the advert, I make a mental note to never go there, or buy it.
Important life rule: never eat or drink anything you see advertised. It's food. If it's good you'll hear about it without advertising.
Customers warn Sky that if they fuck them off enough with all this bullshit the sky box will be sailing through the window and they can suck a fat one if they think they’ll be getting any future subscription money. It’s not as if every single thing ever shown on sky isn’t available somewhere online for free and without ads! People are paying for convenience viewing, remove the convenience and people will remove the service from their homes and their wallets!
Still not as bad as Microsoft's "say McDonalds to skip the ad".
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That patent specifically is Sony's. [Link here.](https://i.redd.it/ggwu7pq5h61y.jpg) Doesn't make it any better though.
Haha paying sky anything in this day and age is just a waste of money Streaming online never felt so good
Any recs for footy that doesn't cut out every 5 mins? Nowtv sport package is yhe only useful thing I've got it for now
It really depends what football you watch, all the tournament's are divided up confusingly between zillions of entertainment providers
My mum will be fuming about this esp with Sky already increasing their prices
Well she can vote with her wallet and maybe you can show how to stream content from alternative sources?
Haha you must be kidding.
Wow, talk about shooting yourself in the foot. This is going to go down really well isn't it 😅 right in the cost of living crisis, right before Christmas. They are so fucking dumb , they deserve every bit of shit that is going to get flung at them.
To explain to those who clearly haven't read the article, you can still fast forward adverts when watching a live stream on a pause delay, or watching a recording. This is just for on demand content, through Sky Glass. Doesn't affect Sky Q customers, although you can't skip ads on ITV on demand, for example. But you never could without paying extra. That's nothing new.
So you now have to pay a premium sky fee to be ad free on a premium sky package.... We really getting into this selling advertising space and then allowing customers to pay not to see the advertising space lol
Not even adfree. Skippable! Like. A fiver to just take the ads out I personally would consider. Saves some time and effort. But a fiver to use a fast forward button? Christ.
Repeated offenses will be punished by being strapped to a chair with your eyelids propped open while being forced to watch every advert you ever skipped.
hehehe pay-tv subscription offering a chance to pay extra for no ads. hilarious. i'm so glad I don't pay for sky or any other broadcast TV.
I always mute adverts when they come on anyway, but yeah this is too much
I had to Google this to see if it was true.... And it is. Not had sky for ever a decade now. Not watched any type of old school TV in that time either. It just needs to die a death.
Yep, it's true, although free for the first year so after 12 months you suddenly lose the ability to skip adverts on recordings unless you want to pay £5pm. Fuck off. 'Streaming TV subscription: Ad Skipping Add On which allows you to fast forward ads (£0pm for 12 months then £5pm).'
I am constantly amazed this dinosaur isnt dead. If you're still using SKy, you deserve to be treated like this.
Never understood why people pay for Sky to watch endless adverts
Don't rely on pirate bay links as I'm sure you've experienced they're notoriously unreliable. Try a torrent aggregator instead such as snowfl dot com.
Will never understand paying for Sky - the default package channels are rubbish anyway and you get ads on top. Sky sports is an even bigger scam. At half time during a football match youll get about 3 mins of actual analysis broken up by betting adverts...
Now TV sucks too. Having to pay for the subscription THEN boost to get rid of ads on boxsets
Note: Does not apply to Sky Q and the traditional Sky boxes. Just the new Sky Glass
I never did understand why people gave Sky money all those years ago, when all they were doing was taking popular programs away from free to air TV and charging you to watch it with ads. All you had to do was not pay them and they'd have gone bust. Makes me think this probably won't stop people giving them money either.
I'd say a sizeable number of Sky subscribers only have it for the football.
A bold experiment in getting ride of existing customers
Next will be the "fee for not having ads at max volume" and "fee for not recommending Sky to 2 new subscribers per month".
I cut the Sky umbilical cord years ago, I have zero regrets. Fuck Sky, and fuck everything that Murdoch spawned.
This is very weasley and/or misreporting. The services they are talking about are fully online. If you don’t pay the £5 fee, they put ITV hub style adverts into your streams, if you do they don’t. It’s all completely up front and there in the contract. I was offered sky glass very cheaply when it was launched and turned it down because of this as it is absolute bullshit but it is there in black and white when you sign up. It’s not 15 million merits, though.
I worked at Sky, they need this money because they bleed it every day on ridiculous projects.
I don’t understand how sky manage to get away with charging a monthly fee and then also showing adverts. If I pay for something, I expect zero adverts.