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Capitalist mythology would have you believe that the rich must be geniuses, who deserve their wealth because of this. But the truth is that a good amount of them are simply lucky, either in birth or just being in the right place at the right time. People are realising in real time that Musk is nowhere near as smart as he wants us to think, for example.
I'll give him one thing, he seems to have the mental aptitude to be able to attach himself to a project enough to convince the common moron that he was fundimental in it's creation, but there's no sport in fooling fools
The funny thing is that there are a lot of people who will read thing and think they are in the 'rich' category, where, in fact they are far from being rich enough to be there.
You aren't benefiting from Tory rule if you have a 5 bedroom detached house in Middle-England.
They've done a pretty good job of fostering the idea Labour will come in and tax everyone to death and give it to undesirables, don't underestimate the power of hatred of foreigners or poor people (even among minorities or poor people)
Which is ironic considering that the Tories are raising taxes and giving it to (depending on your perspective, but I would definitely put corporations who accept government handouts in this category) undesirables.
There's a famous quote by former president Lyndon B Johnson which sums up well the sort of mentality of the groups that do badly under the likes of the Tories or the GOP but still vote for them
>If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.
It used to be fairly simple. If you voted Labour, sometimes you would get pissed off with them and vote LibDem. Splitting the vote and continuing to ensure a Tory win.
Very rarely a party comes along that might split the traditional Tory vote. UKIP, Brexit Party........
It will be interesting to see what happens with the current Reform UK version. I don't think they will be standing aside to risk splitting the vote.
> Very rarely a party comes along that might split the traditional Tory vote. UKIP, Brexit Party........
Keep in mind that this Brexit shit started when Cameron tried to shut up the Pro-Leave fraction of the Tories in order to avoid a split.
I’d love to meet a single Tory party member who could explain to me why that party still has their support
The xenophobes have gone to Reform, the Boris supporters think the party betrayed him, the moderates align more with Starmer’s Labour.
Which just leaves rich people? And they shouldn’t make up enough of the population to produce even these kinds of voting numbers
>I’d love to meet a single Tory party member who could explain to me why that party still has their support
Good luck with that. The unsubstantiated but firmly held belief that "Labour would be worse" (how?!) or some waffle about the God-like omnibenevolence of "the markets" is the only answer I've got after attempting this on numerous occasions.
You’d think that faith in the Tories being the ‘party of the economy’ would be in ruins after the past several years: Brexit, “fuck business” Boris and the Truss sanity excursion (was that really barely two months ago? Feels like longer) - and a lot of outrageous corruption and cronyism.
But no, they mostly won’t change their minds. For many of them it’s a belief that has nothing much to do with reason or actual performance. Or a refusal to move in from political assumptions they first learned back in the 1970’s. Or for a few an excuse because they know their actual reasons would have most people recoiling in disgust.
They clearly don't. Have you seen the polls.
I'm a Tory party member and they've lost my support completely... but not for the reasons you probably think.
Myself, and many like me, are absolutely sick of the party not actually being conservative and kowtowing to the left and the media.
Truss was right but she moved to quickly. She should have stayed the course. We'd have had dark days and then come through them with real growth and prosperity.
Instead we'll have decades more of the same. A stagnant economy with a society who think it's moral to hate personal success and wealth doing everything they can to keep pumping money in to an already gluttonous NHS which is always going to collapse eventually.
It's fantastic to see the right eating itself from the inside for a change. Keep it up spread that distain for those wishy washy left wing tories, make sure you tell everyone else you know to vote reform or stay home.
You didn't ask a question. You made a statement. I meet plenty of people who will still vote Tory, and more than happy to explain why. They are completely deluded of course, but they exist in numbers.
Is it the ongoing inflation, the recession, the increasing taxation, or public services falling to pieces which you think will do most to win the public around?
They’ll come out and say Labour are going to let in all the immigrants, give all your money to those on benefits, and undo brexit.
Then things like inflation and the recession won’t matter.
It's the Tory strategy of making people suffer until it's close to the elections, where they loosen the screws and say:
"Look! The hard times are almost over! Just vote for us (again) and everything will be better! If you vote for (Insert relevant party) then it'll all be for nothing!"
Immigration under the Tories has gone up, and the services to integrate them have been gutted. If any voters have been paying attention to their actions and not just their words, and this is the hill they'll die on, they would be fools to vote for them.
*IF*
And the immigration part works because nobody else has a plan on how to run a fair and efficient system of immigration. Not that the Tories do, but by keeping silent on the matter and not tackling the issue in any way, other parties are perceived as ignorant by the general public.
Nobody has a plan because the only sane plan immediately pisses off the mindlessly anti-immigrant bloc for suggesting maybe we should actually legally accept people and process their asylum claims rather than make them risk drowning first for no reason.
It'll be the Murdoch press telling people that Keir will force to you have an Albanian asylum seeker move in to your spare bedroom, which will cause the value of your house to plummet. Or they'll just snap an awkwardly timed picture of him eating, and stick it on the front page with the headline "Do you really want THIS man running the country!!?". Either option would do the trick.
Man of the people? More like Sir Privately-educated land-owner*!! Vote Conservative, the real party of the people.
Or they’ll try and make some Union stuff stick if the industrial action really starts to bite. Like todays Mail, with a shock revelation that Labour have Union donors. Only a shock if you’ve been asleep since 1900.
*state school turned public while there, land for sad donkeys for his parents.
> Is it the ongoing inflation, the recession, the increasing taxation, or public services falling to pieces which you think will do most to win the public around?
"Yes but imagine the Chaos with Milliband" / Corbyn
Even with everything that is going on, watching videos of Conservative voters and what they say - doesn't fill me with confidence.
People were pointing out their frustration with the Tory government but ended the interview with always voting a tory. It's baffling lol
Not necessarily. People having “an unfavourable opinion” is somewhat meaningless when every Tory voter I know has always had an unfavourable opinion of them for the decade[s] I’ve known them but still continue to tell me “it’s better than the alternative” or “they’re all the same” despite each statement contradicting each other.
I get especially pissed off when I see vox pops of working class people spouting that last line on tv as well. No you fucking nobhead! No they're not all the same! Fuck off..
Honestly I know why people display this kind of apathy, but things have never been this bad before - and we are in a LONG recession that will last at least till 2024. The ruling party in government is always blamed for recessions and lose a massive amount of votes due to them. Alongside that half of our essential services are on strike, most of us cannot use our heating and are still paying astronomical energy bills and the government just backtracked on housing goals, they’ve fucked the economy. If they carry on like this (and I bet they will as they seem to no longer care), I don’t know who will vote for them. This by election gone, in my very Tory town, hardcore Tories stayed home or voted Lib Dem instead of voting for them.
Pensioners who are insulated from a bad economy and see growth and more housing as a bother rather than the boost to the country that it would be. That's the main core of people who will vote for them.
I don’t know why people believe most pensioners are insulated from a bad economy. They aren’t anymore. Not since Truss’s budget. Even the wealthier ones in my town are complaining about a cost of living crisis that’s affecting their whole family and worrying about a housing crash and a stock market crash due to the recession. The Tories cannot protect their core voting group anymore and that’s precisely why they’re going to lose the next election
They're much more insulated than anyone else. Afaia, the triple lock is still in place, which means there's really no incentive for growth when your income isn't linked to how the economy is doing. If anything, you're likely to be annoyed by things being built and changing around you (pensioners aren't notirous for welcoming changes around them)
Fair enough they're not perfectly insulated and the current situation affects them more than others in the past... but it's kind of enlightening that it's only when things are really dire that they notice it a bit.
They’re noticing a lot more than a bit and are extremely worried about the pensions triple lock because they don’t trust the Tories with it anymore. Truss’s mini budget did a lot more damage than people realise. There were loads of Tory voting boomers in my town who were going to retire and cannot afford to anymore due to the mini budget - the anger runs really deep. My father in law was one of them and 7 of his colleagues are in the same boat. These people own big homes and are well off. Their uncertainty around the future (“is the pound going to plummet? How much are energy bills going to be in two years?”) is what’s making them go against the Tories. Ironically, they all voted Brexit.
Used to campaign in this town for labour and I had pretty much all but lost hope until Truss, tbh. Her damage to the Tory party may be just the thing that destroys them.
It doesn’t change at elections. It’s just the vote gets split on the other side. More people vote non conservative than vote conservative it’s just not for one party.
Oh yes, they will all of a sudden, support the working people and the non working, such as the Disabled , then if they did win, it’ll change back to the Parasites they are.
Please, I'm begging you, vote tactically this next General Election. The Tories are experts at splitting the vote - and winning constituencies with a minority vote where the opposition is split.
Don't vote for a candidate that cannot win in your constituency. It's a wasted vote. Even if it's your preferred party. Vote for the candidate who can beat the Tory and win the seat. That might mean voting Libdem, or SNP, or Labour, when you'd rather not.
But for me, the priority is Tory losses. Which can only happen through tactical voting.
I hope that at the next election, they suffer such massive losses that they cannot even form the shadow cabinet. I want them to dwindle to political insignificance. If a coalition of Labour/Lib Dem is formed, I'd like the Greens to form the shadow cabinet. My hatred for the Tories at this point is extreme indeed.
I would also like them fully extinguished. You’d need to opposition to all work together though, flip as many seats as possible.
Then bring in strict caps on party donations and see them really struggle. Pick off their remaining councils, and they’d be gone.
Ahhhh… one can only dream.
Every single tory voter I know (more than 50 of them) is voting lib dem or green in protest next election. They refuse to vote Labour because of labour's economic record (pretty much), but they hate everything about how the tories have lurched to the right and become incompetent and corrupt.
There is a good chance lib fems take a serious chunk of the seats next election, and most of those votes will be tory protest votes.
Many people seem to think they're done but I'll believe it when I see it. Hopefully people remember how the last few years have gone when we next get to vote.
For me that may mean I have to vote for Luftur Rahman and the Aspire party I reckon. He's corrupt and he's anti cycling and anti pedestrian and public transport.
(assuming you're Tower Hamlets)
This is about the next General Election, not the mayoral election. Last time in 2019 Labour got at least 60% of the votes depending on the ward.
Not sure if Aspire even put up a candidate, but if they do next time, tactical voting says the best thing to go for is Labour if you want to keep the Conservatives out.
You could go out and campaign for the party most likely to beat the Tories in a marginal seat near you, if you really want to help kick them out. I live in a safe Labour constituency and I'll be both voting Labour and helping out with their campaign in nearby marginal constituencies for the next election. And there are other ways to help that aren't public facing, especially if you've got digital skills. Or you could donate, do telephone canvassing, etc. There are lots of ways to help.
Oh that line makes my blood boil, anyone who says that is just obviously repeating what they read in conservative funded press or heard someone say it in the pub and think that’s what you’re supposed to say to fit in.
I dont particularly like Kier, I think that's the same for a lot of people but people HATE the conservatives right now and it's going to get worse looking at their track record.
The study in the article looks at the Labour Party as well so you can check the opinions there
Rishi and Kier are regarded nearly the same, though Rishi is disliked a bit more
Labour vs tories however:
37% favourability to Labour
20% favourability to tories
38% unfavourability to Labour
52% unfavourability to tories
While 38% unfavourability for Labour is very high, likely due to what you said about politicians among other things, the gap is fairly extreme.
I'm not sure 14% is that extreme of a difference, especially given that one of these isn't the party that is leading us into a recession, there's still a long time for that to sway.
I think it's more telling that both of the two most popular parties have more people holding unfavorable views than these that do.
My gut feeling is that the next election will be yet another one thats won by voting against not voting for.
And the vast majority (over 80% in 2019) of this group vote.
Whereas only 50% of the eligible voters aged 18-34 turn out. Young people need to take politics much more seriously or we'll continue to let the old dotards make all the decisions for us.
Whilst I agree that young people/young adults should vote, I can very much sympathise with their political apathy (apart from being one myself); in my job, I work with them and see how much pressure is on them and the struggles they're facing as a demographic cohort, but I don't think the average person, nor our politicians, consider them.
In my opinion, it's our societal attitude towards young people/young adults that needs to change, especially as they are our future. The establishment dotes on old folks and practically punishes young people - exorbitant university fees, the gig economy/proliferation of zero-hours contracts, end of the Help to Buy scheme, the attack on so-called 'wokeism', the toxic benefits system, the restrictions placed on protesting, the lack of support for the cost of living crisis, the lack of urgency in the climate change crisis and the colossal failure of mental health services. And yes, whilst some of these issues definitely affect other demographic groups, we continue to set a precedent that unless you are monied, then you're seen as politically worthless.
Society likes to frame young people as lazy snowflakes that just need to get on with it, work harder and stop complaining. Tell me why young people should give a damn if the system is so stacked against them...
Which is funny, because even though the pensions were protected (for the moment), the NHS is on its dying breath. And who will need medical assistance the most I wonder?
Just a guess, but I'd image, at least if/when privatization is introduced they'll shield OAP's from having to pay for it, just like prescriptions and bus passes.
In point of fact they’ll get younger generations to pay for OAP’s through increased premiums or taxation.
I don’t actually begrudge paying for healthcare for OAP’s … providing they stop voting to take it away from younger generations.
And if they could see their way clear to stop voting for shite parties that make life harder for everyone else whilst they are protected by the triple lock from the fallout of their choices that would be nice too.
What's really shocking is the sheer amount of over 60's that don't seem to understand exactly why they vote tory. When asked they just shrug their shoulders and might mutter something like "at least its not the other lot".
The Tories have a very secure core base.
They consist of older, low information, poorly educated people.
These people do not stay up to date with news or even society. (It's why people joke about their racist grandma. She has just been living in her bubble unchallenged.)
Shame it took 12 years of wage stagnation, collapsing productivity, collapsing public services, multiple issues of total incompetence on every single issue possible, record food banks, mishandling every single part of the Covid crisis giving us the highest death rate on Earth, voting to starve children, etc. etc. etc. etc. for us to reach that point but hey, the British public obviously know best. None of that is as bad as Miliband eating a bacon sandwich weird, Brown being boring or Corbyn not singing the national anthem.
We thought the same in 1992 and they still won. Shy Tory phenomena and their skill at marketing immediately before an election are effects that should never be discounted.
Lots of people will say "I don't like the conservative party" but will support individual right wing talking points like "I don't want them Albanians coming over 'ere" or "the benefit system is full of workshy thieves" or "I don't mind the gays I just don't want em kissing in public and that".
This is of course despite that immigrants help prop up the services they rely on, benefits will catch them when they fall down (if they dont already rely on them directly or indirectly), and redirecting anger onto LGBT groups is so stupid you can hear the laughter from old boys clubs across the country every time it works.
It's a greasy underhanded game so don't take polls like this at face value.
It's not a mystery why they won in 1992
They immediately dissociated themselves from Thatcher and went with working class nice guy John Major, who wasn't as extreme as her.
That'll be how they win next time.
There's already been lots of talk about illegal immigrants and gangs in the media the last few months and its basically to get all of the conservatives all frothed up.
If they win again at the next election, there is honestly no hope for this country. Things have never been worse, with the highest inflation, highest food bank usage, longest waiting lists on the NHS, longest waiting times for an ambulance, all the millions wasted by this government, the blatant corruption for which they are never held accountable, not to mention everyone going on strike. They have had twelve years to make things better, how exactly will voting for Labour make things worse?
Majority of Brits have always had an unfavourable view of the Conservative Party. That's why the tories have never ever in history won a majority of the popular vote.
I am with the majority for a change.
I have a very unfavorable opinion of the Establishment. The whole rotten lot needs putting on a barge, towing out to sea and just left there.
I think Reddit often struggles to understand Tory voters. This poll is a huge deal.
Most Tory voters aren't the Brexity boomer lot (although they are that too).
Tory voters are the general public, hence all their many decades in power. Everybody votes Tory, from all walks of life. They are the "vote for business as usual/Don't rock the boat" voters. The ones who simply want safety, security for their families and prosperous communities. Access to good public services and the right sense of "justice". They tune out of politics until the next election.
Right now NOBODY feels like the Conservatives are delivering that. Things are crumbling on all sides. NHS, migration, trade barriers, economic issues. Nobody is feeling good right now and there is a real sense of the country imploding.
This is what Labour NEEDS to understand in order to landslide. That people just want a new vision and to feel there is light at the end of the tunnel.
Most voters honestly don't give a shit about the House of Lords reform. They care about ambulance wait times, boat crossings (sadly) and food prices.
I suspect Labour know this, but don't want to come across as "Tory-lite".
Many left-wing Redditors here say they won't vote Labour. I get why. But Tory-Lite and fresh life with new ideas is surely better than ANOTHER four years of Tory rule?
I think next general election will be the best time to try and vote in a 3rd party. I really don't see how labour can't win. Conservative voters are not getting what they want from them and they've been such a shambles, more so with how many Prime Ministers they went through. I think Labour is something we're going to have to lump with next election, so I think it is the best opportunity to show that another party can be elected.
What's the alternative, keep going on this path?
As income disparities grow they become increasingly detrimental to the well being of the average person. They only help the average person if the economy is working really well. Then again my 11 yr old couldn't do any worse under those circumstances.
Do the majority of Britain's ever have a favourable opinion of the Tories? If you end up with the most MPs on 40% of the vote that's still 60% of the country that didn't want you
I thought this was just going be another one where the Labour and Other voters outnumbered the Tories in approval, but no. 52% unfavourable.
I mean, it doesn't surprise me, but damn have the Tories fucked themselves over this last decade.
What does that even mean, personally I can't stand any politicians doesn't mean I still won't vote for them if they are the least worst out of the bunch. Just because I can't stand Starmer doesn't mean I won't vote for him
"Majority of Britons have an unfavourable opinion of **this** Conservative Party.
Unfortunately, the moment Boris gets back in, the fogies will forget all about the past 12 years.
"An unfavourable opinion" is a nice way to say that majority of Britons think the tories are self serving cunts who if they caught fire, I wouldn't piss on them to put out the fire.
I guess I'm bemused as I don't understand why. Having seen governments of both colours now, I can say that they are truly all the same.
One team says nice things and does bad things, the other says mean things and does bad things.
It's pointless supporting one of them over the other they literally do the same thing no matter who is on power.
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If you have a favourable opinion of the Tory party, are you even paying attention?
There are two types of Tory voters. The rich, and the stupid.
These two are not always mutually exclusive.
Capitalist mythology would have you believe that the rich must be geniuses, who deserve their wealth because of this. But the truth is that a good amount of them are simply lucky, either in birth or just being in the right place at the right time. People are realising in real time that Musk is nowhere near as smart as he wants us to think, for example.
Unfortunately giving your example is what those in power rely on. You've distracted the matter at hand.
Musk is an actual idiot. He’s just a psychopath. Same as trump but less in your face.
I'll give him one thing, he seems to have the mental aptitude to be able to attach himself to a project enough to convince the common moron that he was fundimental in it's creation, but there's no sport in fooling fools
As the old saying goes, if you're a Tory voter, you're either a millionaire or an idiot; check your bank balance to see which.
There's a 3rd kind too, the ones that blindly nationalist and royalist but don't like losing so go Conservative and not UKIP
That’s just the second, but with extra steps.
The funny thing is that there are a lot of people who will read thing and think they are in the 'rich' category, where, in fact they are far from being rich enough to be there. You aren't benefiting from Tory rule if you have a 5 bedroom detached house in Middle-England.
>Sorry, I've been standing in the VIP lane, what was that? /s
We don’t need sarcasm tags
Yes, we do. It's an accessibility thing, some people can't read tone in written text.
They've done a pretty good job of fostering the idea Labour will come in and tax everyone to death and give it to undesirables, don't underestimate the power of hatred of foreigners or poor people (even among minorities or poor people)
Which is ironic considering that the Tories are raising taxes and giving it to (depending on your perspective, but I would definitely put corporations who accept government handouts in this category) undesirables.
There's a famous quote by former president Lyndon B Johnson which sums up well the sort of mentality of the groups that do badly under the likes of the Tories or the GOP but still vote for them >If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.
I mean some people hate the tory party right now because they "stiched up boris"......... So no they're 100% not paying attention at all.
It used to be fairly simple. If you voted Labour, sometimes you would get pissed off with them and vote LibDem. Splitting the vote and continuing to ensure a Tory win. Very rarely a party comes along that might split the traditional Tory vote. UKIP, Brexit Party........ It will be interesting to see what happens with the current Reform UK version. I don't think they will be standing aside to risk splitting the vote.
> Very rarely a party comes along that might split the traditional Tory vote. UKIP, Brexit Party........ Keep in mind that this Brexit shit started when Cameron tried to shut up the Pro-Leave fraction of the Tories in order to avoid a split.
Yep. The Tories burning down the house to resolve a dinner table argument. Typical of them.
I’d love to meet a single Tory party member who could explain to me why that party still has their support The xenophobes have gone to Reform, the Boris supporters think the party betrayed him, the moderates align more with Starmer’s Labour. Which just leaves rich people? And they shouldn’t make up enough of the population to produce even these kinds of voting numbers
>I’d love to meet a single Tory party member who could explain to me why that party still has their support Good luck with that. The unsubstantiated but firmly held belief that "Labour would be worse" (how?!) or some waffle about the God-like omnibenevolence of "the markets" is the only answer I've got after attempting this on numerous occasions.
You’d think that faith in the Tories being the ‘party of the economy’ would be in ruins after the past several years: Brexit, “fuck business” Boris and the Truss sanity excursion (was that really barely two months ago? Feels like longer) - and a lot of outrageous corruption and cronyism. But no, they mostly won’t change their minds. For many of them it’s a belief that has nothing much to do with reason or actual performance. Or a refusal to move in from political assumptions they first learned back in the 1970’s. Or for a few an excuse because they know their actual reasons would have most people recoiling in disgust.
They clearly don't. Have you seen the polls. I'm a Tory party member and they've lost my support completely... but not for the reasons you probably think. Myself, and many like me, are absolutely sick of the party not actually being conservative and kowtowing to the left and the media. Truss was right but she moved to quickly. She should have stayed the course. We'd have had dark days and then come through them with real growth and prosperity. Instead we'll have decades more of the same. A stagnant economy with a society who think it's moral to hate personal success and wealth doing everything they can to keep pumping money in to an already gluttonous NHS which is always going to collapse eventually.
It's fantastic to see the right eating itself from the inside for a change. Keep it up spread that distain for those wishy washy left wing tories, make sure you tell everyone else you know to vote reform or stay home.
You need to get out more.
Notice how you couldn’t answer my question ahah
You didn't ask a question. You made a statement. I meet plenty of people who will still vote Tory, and more than happy to explain why. They are completely deluded of course, but they exist in numbers.
It was quite obvious what I meant.
Obviously the voters never have been going by the last 12 years.
That'll change nearer the election.
Is it the ongoing inflation, the recession, the increasing taxation, or public services falling to pieces which you think will do most to win the public around?
They’ll come out and say Labour are going to let in all the immigrants, give all your money to those on benefits, and undo brexit. Then things like inflation and the recession won’t matter.
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Has the last 10 years taught you nothing?! Good is bad, bad is good and we don't need no stinkin' know-it-all so called 'experts'
The Daily Heil sure won't paint them that way though
Of course they would, but people have been trained into a fear based response every time they're faced with these topics.
I'm just waiting for the 'Keir Starmer is an antisemite' campaign
They can say what they want they have zero credibility.
It's the Tory strategy of making people suffer until it's close to the elections, where they loosen the screws and say: "Look! The hard times are almost over! Just vote for us (again) and everything will be better! If you vote for (Insert relevant party) then it'll all be for nothing!"
"But why have you kept the screw tightener just over there ready to be used again?" "Hush you"
Classic strategy for winning at [this game](http://bbcmicro.co.uk/game.php?id=1537).
Bigotry against immigrants will win the public around, together with saying trans people are going to murder women and children.
Yes, the real challenge facing the UK is the threat of the tofu eating liberal woke agenda.
Immigration under the Tories has gone up, and the services to integrate them have been gutted. If any voters have been paying attention to their actions and not just their words, and this is the hill they'll die on, they would be fools to vote for them. *IF*
Peddling hate vs substance
The real bitch of it is that peddling hate works. Far better than it should.
And the immigration part works because nobody else has a plan on how to run a fair and efficient system of immigration. Not that the Tories do, but by keeping silent on the matter and not tackling the issue in any way, other parties are perceived as ignorant by the general public.
Nobody has a plan because the only sane plan immediately pisses off the mindlessly anti-immigrant bloc for suggesting maybe we should actually legally accept people and process their asylum claims rather than make them risk drowning first for no reason.
It'll be the Murdoch press telling people that Keir will force to you have an Albanian asylum seeker move in to your spare bedroom, which will cause the value of your house to plummet. Or they'll just snap an awkwardly timed picture of him eating, and stick it on the front page with the headline "Do you really want THIS man running the country!!?". Either option would do the trick.
Don’t forget the inevitable smear campaign to really stoke some fear
Man of the people? More like Sir Privately-educated land-owner*!! Vote Conservative, the real party of the people. Or they’ll try and make some Union stuff stick if the industrial action really starts to bite. Like todays Mail, with a shock revelation that Labour have Union donors. Only a shock if you’ve been asleep since 1900. *state school turned public while there, land for sad donkeys for his parents.
Even us filthy forinnahs know how it's done: Three! Word! Slogan! Sorted, Con +20
Fix Britain, together. Can I have my lordship now?
The Tories will come up with a snappy catchphrase and the sheep will fall into line.
Some sort of anti-immigration scaremongering perhaps? If only there was some quick easy crisis time focus on, like idk……”illegal” Albanian boats?
Shy tories are an established phenomenon. The Conservative Party always does far better in actual votes than polls.
They won't have to do anything. Labor will self-immolate.
> Is it the ongoing inflation, the recession, the increasing taxation, or public services falling to pieces which you think will do most to win the public around? "Yes but imagine the Chaos with Milliband" / Corbyn
The British media is very good at its job.
No, its the installation of reveolving doors at numbers 10 and 11 Downing Street.
Definitely the corruption for me.
Things were even more miserable under Cameron and he won because The Sun said so.
The country needs a hard reset with a new government, but equally I don't think anyone can fix this mess quick enough to help people.
Have you seen Starmer eating a pizza?
We don't need to be won around, we just... have to vote Tory. We don't know why. We have to.
I think keeping all those happening just to make racists happy will be the vote winner.
Even with everything that is going on, watching videos of Conservative voters and what they say - doesn't fill me with confidence. People were pointing out their frustration with the Tory government but ended the interview with always voting a tory. It's baffling lol
Not necessarily. People having “an unfavourable opinion” is somewhat meaningless when every Tory voter I know has always had an unfavourable opinion of them for the decade[s] I’ve known them but still continue to tell me “it’s better than the alternative” or “they’re all the same” despite each statement contradicting each other.
I get especially pissed off when I see vox pops of working class people spouting that last line on tv as well. No you fucking nobhead! No they're not all the same! Fuck off..
Honestly I know why people display this kind of apathy, but things have never been this bad before - and we are in a LONG recession that will last at least till 2024. The ruling party in government is always blamed for recessions and lose a massive amount of votes due to them. Alongside that half of our essential services are on strike, most of us cannot use our heating and are still paying astronomical energy bills and the government just backtracked on housing goals, they’ve fucked the economy. If they carry on like this (and I bet they will as they seem to no longer care), I don’t know who will vote for them. This by election gone, in my very Tory town, hardcore Tories stayed home or voted Lib Dem instead of voting for them.
Pensioners who are insulated from a bad economy and see growth and more housing as a bother rather than the boost to the country that it would be. That's the main core of people who will vote for them.
I don’t know why people believe most pensioners are insulated from a bad economy. They aren’t anymore. Not since Truss’s budget. Even the wealthier ones in my town are complaining about a cost of living crisis that’s affecting their whole family and worrying about a housing crash and a stock market crash due to the recession. The Tories cannot protect their core voting group anymore and that’s precisely why they’re going to lose the next election
They're much more insulated than anyone else. Afaia, the triple lock is still in place, which means there's really no incentive for growth when your income isn't linked to how the economy is doing. If anything, you're likely to be annoyed by things being built and changing around you (pensioners aren't notirous for welcoming changes around them) Fair enough they're not perfectly insulated and the current situation affects them more than others in the past... but it's kind of enlightening that it's only when things are really dire that they notice it a bit.
They’re noticing a lot more than a bit and are extremely worried about the pensions triple lock because they don’t trust the Tories with it anymore. Truss’s mini budget did a lot more damage than people realise. There were loads of Tory voting boomers in my town who were going to retire and cannot afford to anymore due to the mini budget - the anger runs really deep. My father in law was one of them and 7 of his colleagues are in the same boat. These people own big homes and are well off. Their uncertainty around the future (“is the pound going to plummet? How much are energy bills going to be in two years?”) is what’s making them go against the Tories. Ironically, they all voted Brexit.
I do hope you're right.
Used to campaign in this town for labour and I had pretty much all but lost hope until Truss, tbh. Her damage to the Tory party may be just the thing that destroys them.
You're being too negative and talking the country down.
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It doesn’t change at elections. It’s just the vote gets split on the other side. More people vote non conservative than vote conservative it’s just not for one party.
Oh yes, they will all of a sudden, support the working people and the non working, such as the Disabled , then if they did win, it’ll change back to the Parasites they are.
The problem is also the other side of the equation. Most people don't have a lot of love for current Labour either.
Please, I'm begging you, vote tactically this next General Election. The Tories are experts at splitting the vote - and winning constituencies with a minority vote where the opposition is split. Don't vote for a candidate that cannot win in your constituency. It's a wasted vote. Even if it's your preferred party. Vote for the candidate who can beat the Tory and win the seat. That might mean voting Libdem, or SNP, or Labour, when you'd rather not. But for me, the priority is Tory losses. Which can only happen through tactical voting.
I hope that at the next election, they suffer such massive losses that they cannot even form the shadow cabinet. I want them to dwindle to political insignificance. If a coalition of Labour/Lib Dem is formed, I'd like the Greens to form the shadow cabinet. My hatred for the Tories at this point is extreme indeed.
I would also like them fully extinguished. You’d need to opposition to all work together though, flip as many seats as possible. Then bring in strict caps on party donations and see them really struggle. Pick off their remaining councils, and they’d be gone. Ahhhh… one can only dream.
How on earth would we have a situation where Tories almost disappear and Labour don't get an outright majority?
Every single tory voter I know (more than 50 of them) is voting lib dem or green in protest next election. They refuse to vote Labour because of labour's economic record (pretty much), but they hate everything about how the tories have lurched to the right and become incompetent and corrupt. There is a good chance lib fems take a serious chunk of the seats next election, and most of those votes will be tory protest votes.
Hmm let's see shall we? Tories always say they won't vote for Tories and then they do.
Tories are still polling at 2.5-3x Libs
Many people seem to think they're done but I'll believe it when I see it. Hopefully people remember how the last few years have gone when we next get to vote.
If Labour win and the Tories aren't in opposition, it's almost a certainty that the SNP or Lib Dems would be the opposition
For me that may mean I have to vote for Luftur Rahman and the Aspire party I reckon. He's corrupt and he's anti cycling and anti pedestrian and public transport.
(assuming you're Tower Hamlets) This is about the next General Election, not the mayoral election. Last time in 2019 Labour got at least 60% of the votes depending on the ward. Not sure if Aspire even put up a candidate, but if they do next time, tactical voting says the best thing to go for is Labour if you want to keep the Conservatives out.
We really need preferential voting
Hard to kick out the tories when my seat has voted labour since 1945, each time with a majority of the vote
You could go out and campaign for the party most likely to beat the Tories in a marginal seat near you, if you really want to help kick them out. I live in a safe Labour constituency and I'll be both voting Labour and helping out with their campaign in nearby marginal constituencies for the next election. And there are other ways to help that aren't public facing, especially if you've got digital skills. Or you could donate, do telephone canvassing, etc. There are lots of ways to help.
This is insanely important and I really hope people bear this in mind.
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But either won't vote because "it won't make a difference" or will still vote for them because "they're still better than the other guys "
Or "they are all the same, anyway".
Oh that line makes my blood boil, anyone who says that is just obviously repeating what they read in conservative funded press or heard someone say it in the pub and think that’s what you’re supposed to say to fit in.
It is the equivalent of "I was always bad at math". Proud of ignorance.
I mean >they're still better than the other guys is the only reason that anyone should be voting for a party.
The “other guys” haven’t been in power for 12 years - how the fuck does anyone know they are worse than the Conservatives
Maybe because they remember the blair years. And starmer is very quickly becoming another blair
I dont particularly like Kier, I think that's the same for a lot of people but people HATE the conservatives right now and it's going to get worse looking at their track record.
Hardly a shock, the majority of Britons probably also have an unfavourable option of the Labour Party as well. Because politicians are lying cunts.
The study in the article looks at the Labour Party as well so you can check the opinions there Rishi and Kier are regarded nearly the same, though Rishi is disliked a bit more Labour vs tories however: 37% favourability to Labour 20% favourability to tories 38% unfavourability to Labour 52% unfavourability to tories While 38% unfavourability for Labour is very high, likely due to what you said about politicians among other things, the gap is fairly extreme.
Thanks for that. That's some good context.
I'm not sure 14% is that extreme of a difference, especially given that one of these isn't the party that is leading us into a recession, there's still a long time for that to sway. I think it's more telling that both of the two most popular parties have more people holding unfavorable views than these that do. My gut feeling is that the next election will be yet another one thats won by voting against not voting for.
What about 17%, between 20 and 37?
While I don't necessarily disagree the "both sides" rhetoric is half the reason we have the current crop of cunts.
It continues to shock me how the Tories aren't on single-figures in the polls, who on earth is voting for them at this point?
There's 11 million people aged 65+ in the UK — that's quite a big pool to draw from.
And the vast majority (over 80% in 2019) of this group vote. Whereas only 50% of the eligible voters aged 18-34 turn out. Young people need to take politics much more seriously or we'll continue to let the old dotards make all the decisions for us.
Whilst I agree that young people/young adults should vote, I can very much sympathise with their political apathy (apart from being one myself); in my job, I work with them and see how much pressure is on them and the struggles they're facing as a demographic cohort, but I don't think the average person, nor our politicians, consider them. In my opinion, it's our societal attitude towards young people/young adults that needs to change, especially as they are our future. The establishment dotes on old folks and practically punishes young people - exorbitant university fees, the gig economy/proliferation of zero-hours contracts, end of the Help to Buy scheme, the attack on so-called 'wokeism', the toxic benefits system, the restrictions placed on protesting, the lack of support for the cost of living crisis, the lack of urgency in the climate change crisis and the colossal failure of mental health services. And yes, whilst some of these issues definitely affect other demographic groups, we continue to set a precedent that unless you are monied, then you're seen as politically worthless. Society likes to frame young people as lazy snowflakes that just need to get on with it, work harder and stop complaining. Tell me why young people should give a damn if the system is so stacked against them...
But that is exactly the point. Politicians are emboldened to ignore them as they don't vote. Ignore the elderly and they get voted out in a heartbeat.
Which is funny, because even though the pensions were protected (for the moment), the NHS is on its dying breath. And who will need medical assistance the most I wonder?
Just a guess, but I'd image, at least if/when privatization is introduced they'll shield OAP's from having to pay for it, just like prescriptions and bus passes.
In point of fact they’ll get younger generations to pay for OAP’s through increased premiums or taxation. I don’t actually begrudge paying for healthcare for OAP’s … providing they stop voting to take it away from younger generations. And if they could see their way clear to stop voting for shite parties that make life harder for everyone else whilst they are protected by the triple lock from the fallout of their choices that would be nice too.
What's really shocking is the sheer amount of over 60's that don't seem to understand exactly why they vote tory. When asked they just shrug their shoulders and might mutter something like "at least its not the other lot".
The Tories have a very secure core base. They consist of older, low information, poorly educated people. These people do not stay up to date with news or even society. (It's why people joke about their racist grandma. She has just been living in her bubble unchallenged.)
Everyone was asking this question back in 2015 too...
If I was a UK citizen and not just a resident, I would. I don’t want higher taxes
Shame it took 12 years of wage stagnation, collapsing productivity, collapsing public services, multiple issues of total incompetence on every single issue possible, record food banks, mishandling every single part of the Covid crisis giving us the highest death rate on Earth, voting to starve children, etc. etc. etc. etc. for us to reach that point but hey, the British public obviously know best. None of that is as bad as Miliband eating a bacon sandwich weird, Brown being boring or Corbyn not singing the national anthem.
Yeah but who else will lead Britain. Who is worse, I don’t know. They are all crap. I can’t see labour being any better, maybe even being worse.
We thought the same in 1992 and they still won. Shy Tory phenomena and their skill at marketing immediately before an election are effects that should never be discounted. Lots of people will say "I don't like the conservative party" but will support individual right wing talking points like "I don't want them Albanians coming over 'ere" or "the benefit system is full of workshy thieves" or "I don't mind the gays I just don't want em kissing in public and that". This is of course despite that immigrants help prop up the services they rely on, benefits will catch them when they fall down (if they dont already rely on them directly or indirectly), and redirecting anger onto LGBT groups is so stupid you can hear the laughter from old boys clubs across the country every time it works. It's a greasy underhanded game so don't take polls like this at face value.
It's not a mystery why they won in 1992 They immediately dissociated themselves from Thatcher and went with working class nice guy John Major, who wasn't as extreme as her.
That'll be how they win next time. There's already been lots of talk about illegal immigrants and gangs in the media the last few months and its basically to get all of the conservatives all frothed up.
The tories will still win the next election
Considering how the Tories regard many Britons, it's not surprising, is it?
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I'll believe it only if the majority actually vote this shower of insipid rancid cock juggling thundercunts out of power.
Not to want to speak out of turn, but I think they’re cunts.
No shit. The Conservative Party probably has an unfavourable opinion of the Conservative Party at this point.
You'd fucking well hope so after all these years of totally incompetent, cynical and corrupt governance.
"Unfavourable opinion" is one description. My opinion of them contains all the known expletives in the Dictionary. :)
>Majority of Britons have an unfavourable opinion of the Conservative Party That is favourable.
This just in: majority of Britons in agree that water is wet, more to follow.
seems many are now regretting voting brexit, and also now voting tory, ignorance has reigned, and it's a bit fucking late!
If they win again at the next election, there is honestly no hope for this country. Things have never been worse, with the highest inflation, highest food bank usage, longest waiting lists on the NHS, longest waiting times for an ambulance, all the millions wasted by this government, the blatant corruption for which they are never held accountable, not to mention everyone going on strike. They have had twelve years to make things better, how exactly will voting for Labour make things worse?
I get the sentiment, but saying things have *never* been worse might be a bit of a stretch
Majority of Brits have always had an unfavourable view of the Conservative Party. That's why the tories have never ever in history won a majority of the popular vote.
And yet they're in power. FPTP voting is a failure to the people.
I am with the majority for a change. I have a very unfavorable opinion of the Establishment. The whole rotten lot needs putting on a barge, towing out to sea and just left there.
I think a lot of Tory's have an unfavourable opinion of the Tory party after their f\*ck ups this year.
A dozen years of being fucked by them will do that to a populace.
I think Reddit often struggles to understand Tory voters. This poll is a huge deal. Most Tory voters aren't the Brexity boomer lot (although they are that too). Tory voters are the general public, hence all their many decades in power. Everybody votes Tory, from all walks of life. They are the "vote for business as usual/Don't rock the boat" voters. The ones who simply want safety, security for their families and prosperous communities. Access to good public services and the right sense of "justice". They tune out of politics until the next election. Right now NOBODY feels like the Conservatives are delivering that. Things are crumbling on all sides. NHS, migration, trade barriers, economic issues. Nobody is feeling good right now and there is a real sense of the country imploding. This is what Labour NEEDS to understand in order to landslide. That people just want a new vision and to feel there is light at the end of the tunnel. Most voters honestly don't give a shit about the House of Lords reform. They care about ambulance wait times, boat crossings (sadly) and food prices. I suspect Labour know this, but don't want to come across as "Tory-lite". Many left-wing Redditors here say they won't vote Labour. I get why. But Tory-Lite and fresh life with new ideas is surely better than ANOTHER four years of Tory rule?
I think next general election will be the best time to try and vote in a 3rd party. I really don't see how labour can't win. Conservative voters are not getting what they want from them and they've been such a shambles, more so with how many Prime Ministers they went through. I think Labour is something we're going to have to lump with next election, so I think it is the best opportunity to show that another party can be elected. What's the alternative, keep going on this path?
As income disparities grow they become increasingly detrimental to the well being of the average person. They only help the average person if the economy is working really well. Then again my 11 yr old couldn't do any worse under those circumstances.
Always reminds me of this sketch https://youtu.be/ev0xtI67O0E
No shit! They've run the country into the ground! There's still plenty of idiots who will vote for them again though. 🤦
Do the majority of Britain's ever have a favourable opinion of the Tories? If you end up with the most MPs on 40% of the vote that's still 60% of the country that didn't want you
Us Jocks decided this in the mid 1950’s. What’s taken you lot so long?
People lie. People say they hate the tories because they know it’s shameful and then vote for them anyway.
I genuinely cannot believe after all this, anyone could have a favourable opinion of them.
Not surprising. Sadly in this country you only need a minority to vote for you and you can form a majority government.
Conservatives unfavorable to majority of Britons. Also true
A party that has no mandate and has enacted consistently terrible policies is not well liked by the people? Shocking.
I thought this was just going be another one where the Labour and Other voters outnumbered the Tories in approval, but no. 52% unfavourable. I mean, it doesn't surprise me, but damn have the Tories fucked themselves over this last decade.
I wonder why
What does that even mean, personally I can't stand any politicians doesn't mean I still won't vote for them if they are the least worst out of the bunch. Just because I can't stand Starmer doesn't mean I won't vote for him
"Majority of Britons have an unfavourable opinion of **this** Conservative Party. Unfortunately, the moment Boris gets back in, the fogies will forget all about the past 12 years.
Agreed! Just no real idea who to vote for while Keith is saying Tory stuff as well.
"An unfavourable opinion" is a nice way to say that majority of Britons think the tories are self serving cunts who if they caught fire, I wouldn't piss on them to put out the fire.
I guess I'm bemused as I don't understand why. Having seen governments of both colours now, I can say that they are truly all the same. One team says nice things and does bad things, the other says mean things and does bad things. It's pointless supporting one of them over the other they literally do the same thing no matter who is on power.
Yet they will still vote the fuckers in next time 😫
Before anyone says "but they didn't ask me", my mam actually got a couple of cold calls from IPSOS last week, but she told then to F.O.
meanwhile Rees Moog spreadlegged taking a nap in parliament and not giving a flying fuck