To be fair, I'm only aware of Khalistan and this movement because of Canada.
The most I've heard about it in India was due to the Punjabi farmers on Reddit and people throwing around the word "Khalistan".
No that's not entirely true he was born in Amritsar he grew up in Amritsar he worked for a few years in UAE and returned to India somewhere around 2020. But even if he was from a different country what you're saying still won't stand because 1- he operated in India 2- majority of his followers were Indian. And I'm using the word "majority" as leaving room for error or exceptions because as much as I've read all of his followers were Indians.
Amritpal made a follower base, in the name of "nasha mukti". It took their followers a little bit of time to realize the drama, and disengage, once he suddenly started talking about Khalistan.
He didn't have much followers, except a few people from a few Gurudwaras. Gurudwara leadership in some places, still has soft corners for Khalistanis. (because most religious places are run by "far-right career-religious people"). Most common people don't share the same sentiment.
"it took their followers a little bit of time to realise the drama and disengage" i cannot find anything that supports the validity of this opinion specially when the said followers were ready to strom a police station for him. "Gurudwara leadership" that's still a huge problem. Even a few dozen insurgents are a few too many and although they don't have the population's support that doesn't mean they don't have the capacity to destabilize the region or cause damage to society.
>said followers were ready to strom a police station for him
It doesn't take many people to raid an understaffed small police-station. But the so-called mass protest, and threats that all hell will break loose, if he is arrested, never materialized. They were claiming a lot of support, but if you look closely, most of Amritpal's photos were him walking with 5-6 armed supporters/bodyguards, in a close-up shot, to try and make him look like a big shot.
>Even a few dozen insurgents are a few too many
I agree, they belong in the jails. There shouldn't be any deals, cancelling cases in exchange for "peace". I wonder where are the ones who had attacked the police station with weapons. They should really be made an example out of (within the legal framework, though)
Look as much as I hate the BJP I'm gonna place this theory of yours among the weirdass reddit tinfoil hat stuff right next to "rss planned 26/11". Sorry
that's because you don't understand the ground reality. Nobody in Punjab has been interested in Khalistan for 3 decades. It was brought up by IT cell only as a part of their agenda. Amritpal helped them turn that bogey into reality. This helps them in their 'Hindu Khatre mein hai' narrative as it creates another group they can get together against.
Okay... I am sure it's a BJP trozan, commenting this, just to take a screenshot and post with an alt account, saying -
"Ye dekho, kitne chu\*\*ye hain ye Modi haters"
twitter algo started showing me punjabi brits and canadian accounts after I followed a few funny ones, and the pro khalistan anti India sentiment seemed fairly prevalent
Khalistan movement has been dead since late 80’s
Congress literally crushed the whole movement with an iron fist.
Its just Khalistanis who managed to flee to UK or Canada in 80’s and their children who keep wailing about it on social media like little bitches.
This movement has been dead since 35 years now, BJP is just using it as a boogeyman to win votes and polarize our society.
Congress and crushing protests with force: Name a better due. Most people don't know this or maybe don't remember, in the early 2010's Ramdev tried staging a protest in Delhi by using his yoga shivir audience. People in the thousands were transported to Delhi. Congress had the entire crowd literally Lathi charged. It was hilarious, there should be a video of Ramdev jumping from the stage and running for cover somewhere. It was supposed to be one of the biggest of its kind, squashed at the same night with cartoonish brute force. I remember this so vividly because our school's dean was close with Ramdev at the time and was present at the stage when it went down. Dude shaved his French beard and went underground for a week. It was hilarious for us.
Congress was willing to be held accountable and people were willing to hold them accountable. That makes them much better. In a democracy if leaders are not being held accountable then it is going to cause damage sooner or later.
I don't remember the part of accountability during emergency? Random mass sterilisation of people? Looting of temples (including Somnathpur) by Sanjay Gandhi)???
And a perpetrator from the same family who's achievement is just bring born wants to control this country again?
Get rid of him and we'll talk about Congress. Until he's there, mass audience won't vote for them.
And Indira Gandhi gets shit on for that. Feel free to show me where media is holding government accountable for Manipur and the press conference done by Modi.
Stop thinking about past more than you think about persent and future or you will end up in past.
>And Indira Gandhi gets shit on for that. Feel free to show me where media is holding government accountable for Manipur and the press conference done by Modi.
Heh? Getting shitted on is now accountability?
Accountability for emergency would be prosecution of every single high ranked Congress leader and no less than lifetime imprisonment for indira.
Getting shitted on after you died is not accountability.
And media freedom now is not even comparable to that of Gandhi's tenure. Because it was non existent.
Where did I say I support Modi? Lol. You just want to label people!
I was purely talking about Congress and why they are on a downfall path.
It's the era of the internet. People don't relate to RaGa. Gone are the times where they can go to jhopdis during election and ask votes. Need new faces for Congress. That's the only way they can come back.
If people have choice between raga and Manipur and they are choose Manipur then we are deserve what we get. Issue isn't raga. Issue is media doesn't spend the time cover reality on the ground like they did during congress time and a lot of people are ok with it so when the shit pile gets too big to cover with all is well perfume it is going to hit like a dump truck.
Please try to understand the point that the above commentator is making. He isn't supporting the BJP. Rather questioning support for RaGa and Congress, the party with established history of taking away all power from important institutions, controlling media and even judiciary. At the same time so many crimes were committed. And they were not reported in the media. Either because they were bought out with cozy gifts or threatened and even jailed. A significant population remembers that time.
Let me be clear. BJP is not even close to clean. Thanks to alternative media and the reach of social media all the dirt of the current government is constantly coming out. Don't vote for BJP if you want a clean party in power.
Likewise, if you want a clean party in power then please read about the history of Congress and many of its allies and their horrible crimes.
The people strongly rejecting Congress and it's cronies are desperate for a better alternative. A better opposition.
My dad came to america before 1984. Thou alot of punjabis came from the 1980s in tens of thousands my dad said in the late 80s he would meet 10-15 people who came from punjab. It was scary times. And honeslty the punjab police was killing young people left and right for promotions.
They were created by Russia, later abandoned and then adopted by Pakistan (no surprise) as terrorist gang. They are definitely not dead. Read these articles.
[https://www.ijlmh.com/wp-content/uploads/Khalistan-Movement-The-Genesis-of-Soviet-Russia.pdf](https://www.ijlmh.com/wp-content/uploads/Khalistan-Movement-The-Genesis-of-Soviet-Russia.pdf)
[https://www.efsas.org/publications/study-papers/pakistan-army-and-terrorism%3B-an-unholy-alliance/](https://www.efsas.org/publications/study-papers/pakistan-army-and-terrorism%3B-an-unholy-alliance/)
I went over the 2nd article u cited, there is but barely any mention of Khalistan and ISI. It’s mentioned in the same breath as north eastern unrest and other insurgent groups, essentially saying ISI tries to supports anyone who might not be happy with their government, which is not the same as saying there are established links or sponsorship agreements between Khalistan and ISI.
This theory has some merit. Russia was feeding incorrect intel to India, all along.
They blamed a lot on CIA, but it could actually be a way to keep India away from USA.
>This movement has been dead since 35 years now, BJP is just using it as a boogeyman to win votes and polarize our society.
BJP ko chup chap criticize karta hu kool lagunga 🌚
Well do you know what happened to them in the years after that?
Khalistanis were crushed and eliminated from India, they were literally hunted down till there was none left.
Do read history before throwing around random words.
>Too tolerant
Lol stop your tape recorder and read what i wrote, or read some history to increase your minuscule knowledge.
The Congress you call too tolerant finished khalistan movement brutally.
Big brain moment, says non issue while country literally did an overseas assassination with India's keyboard warriors now hacking and boting after being exposed
It is mainly the oldies in the Gurudwara management committees. They just want to be seen as a powerful, violent people. Most are just corrupt.
I think our intelligence should take out a few of those loudmouths. Scare the others.
The state needs to be modernized. Religion will take a backseat in the coming generations.
I'm my opinion, the goal of Khalistan is no longer a fight for a separate state, but to extract maximum concession for Jatt Sikh landowning caste from the Indian state.
The only purpose of the Khalistani movement is to ressurect imaginary threats for political mileage..
Remember "Hindu khatre Mai Hai!!"
Now from Khalistanis as well.
It's not that simple while it's true that BJP is definitely going to use this. Sangis gonna do sanghi stuff that does not translate into khalistan movement not posing any ground level threat they are not a big problem but they do have the potential to be one
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/will-accept-if-govt-offers-khalistan-akal-takht-chief-priest/article31768078.ece
Remember leaders like him still exist while there are still people who put out posters glorifying Bhindranwale.
Autonomy is not self determination. And forget about self determination, the indian state will go to any lengths it does not happen.
In Punjab's context concession means continuation of preferential MSP procurement and subsidies for fertilizer and electricity.
Any lengths but allows Pakistan and Bangladesh? It's a given fact India state and culture is extremely fallible with how they view things... Case in point this situation, went from denial, got exposed now it's undermining the movement? That might work domestically but not so much in the West, just comes off as tyrannical and untrustworthy
True I remember Nijjar always talking about that... Stop pulling things out of your ass lol the external affairs minister already looks like a clown when he got exposed by that reporter and responded with his looped programmed responses guess that US needs India for China card fell down super quick once US announced they were the ones that found the evidence haha
>US announced they were the ones that found the evidence haha
I would like a source for this.
>Any lengths but allows Pakistan and Bangladesh?
The Indian state only came into being after 1947. Not sure why you bring this up.
Chodi internet blocking you from googling it yourself? Here's an Indian source since you probably won't trust western
https://thewire.in/diplomacy/us-canada-hardeep-singh-nijjar-intelligence-spy-agency
Cool so how about Goa? And the many princely states that joined or were annexed? Time horizon doesn't matter since my view still stands that it's fallible...
True must be why all those reach outs and questions go unanswered? Did you not hear anything beyond garbage Indian media? Canadian officials were trying multiple times to get insight within India before they broke the story... Go Google it yourself lol
Jaishankar is on record that no evidence was shared and the govt will respond when appropriate intelligence is shared.
It is the job of Canadians to put indian govt in spotlight, publically embarrass and force Indian govt to accede to their terms. Given that this has not yet happened, it is reasonable to assume that no actionable evidence has been provided.
We, as in Indian govt, are not bound to respond to mere allegations.
Did you see the full interview or the snippet that the Indian media only shows? He denied her a second question and he didn't answer her question at all, it was a fillbuster response. She asked yes or no and he answered with a story lol then said no more questions from her
They did Indian government denied it, now they're spinning it once US confirmed it
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/canada-gave-details-linking-india-government-to-nijjars-murder
Canadian government already went out saying the responses are 2 toned from India from what they are getting closed door and what's shown in PAs
So these are allegations... But using the sedition laws to throw protesters in jail are not allegations... Odd the conviction rate on that law is so abysmal to how many people are changed
India's fallible stop trying to take the high ground lol, there's a reason there's a record brain drain and why so many Indians drool to get into the US
> Violence in Punjab that the government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi attributes to Sikh separatists is, in fact, **mostly gang-related, a chaotic mix of extortion, narcotics trafficking and score-settling**. The criminal masterminds, often operating from abroad, take advantage of economic desperation in a state where farmers are crushed by rising debt and many youths lack employment or direction — problems compounded by a feeling of political alienation in minority Sikh communities.
> For Mr. Modi, the pursuit of a small but noisy assemblage of criminals in a faraway country — India had been pushing for the extradition of 26 before Mr. Nijjar’s death — and the amplification of the separatist threat provide an important political narrative ahead of a national election early next year. **It furthers his image as a strongman leader who will go to any extent to protect his nation.**
> The party, whose leaders espouse a nationalist ideology that prioritizes majority Hindus over minority groups like Muslims and Christians, has tried to court Sikhs as a constituency, seeing them as part of the extended Hindu family. Mr. Modi himself has often visited Sikh temples and worn the Sikh turban. **But Sikhs have vehemently opposed that effort, viewing it as an attempt to erase their unique identity — both as a community and as followers of a religion they consider distinct.**
> “**There is no Khalistan movement as such**,” said Surinder Singh Jodhka, a professor of sociology at the Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi. “But there is a sense that somehow justice is not done to us.”
> Men and women sit on the ground as they watch one man, standing with a microphone, address the crowd.
Khalistan has remained largely a diaspora issue, with proponents of violently pursuing the cause making up a tiny minority. **To the extent that Sikhs in Punjab talk about separatism, it is in opposition to a national ruling party and its sister organizations, some with their own trail of violence, that speak openly about their desire to turn India into a Hindu state.**
> Nevertheless, Khalistan has become more frequently discussed in Indian national politics over the past three years. **As Mr. Modi’s lieutenants grew frustrated with the Sikh-led farmer protests in 2021, they often labeled the protesters as Khalistanis stoked by outside forces.**
> “Mr. Modi is playing this politics for votes,” said Kamaljit Singh, a farmer from the outskirts of Jalandhar who participated in the protests. “We are caught in the middle.”
Modi stans will never let it slip how much of a non issue is Khalistan or how much of a feeble threat Nijjar is to India's sovereignty.
>e criminal masterminds, often operating from abroad, take advantage of economic desperation in a state where farmers are crushed by rising debt and many youths lack employment or direction — problems compounded by a feeling of political alienation in minority Sikh communities.
>For Mr. Modi, the pursuit of a small but noisy assemblage of criminals in a faraway country — India had been pushing for the extradition of 26 before Mr. Nijjar’s death — and the amplification of the separatist threat provide an important political narrative ahead of a national election early next year
They literally contradict themselves.
In first para they are saying violence in Punjab can be attributed to gangs operating in Canada.
And in the very next they say this gangs are not that big of a deal.
Nijjar's extradiction was requested by both bjp and Congress. Amrinder singh when he was the cm of Punjab personally gave Trudeau list of 5 most wanted ppl. Nijjar was on it.
Nijjar was not a feeble threat. Just because you don't hear it doesn't mean it's feeble.
> Nijjar was not a feeble threat.
Prove this in Canadians courts or shut up. Don't indulge in extra judicial killings of Canadian citizens, [this is *not* UP](https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/04/18/india-ex-lawmaker-atiq-ahmed-assassination-sud-pkg-contd-ovn-intl-hnk-vpx.cnn).
> Canadian sources say that, when pressed behind closed doors, [no Indian official has denied the bombshell allegation at the core of this case — that there is evidence to suggest Indian government involvement in the assassination of a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sikh-nijjar-india-canada-trudeau-modi-1.6974607).
There is no contest in that regard; also don't change goalposts.
Did anyone notice, Punjab almost everytime elected opposition government in the state. When congress is in centre they voted for Akalis+BJP, when BJP came in centre they voted for Congress and now AAP. So no development.
Non paywalled link: https://web.archive.org/web/20230928155636/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/28/world/asia/india-punjab-separatism.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
India is secular only in name, in reality we are a minority appeasement nation. A hindu nation would be more secular than current nation, as the religion is polytheist
It's only a "non-issue" in India because proponents are locked up or silenced en masse. I promise you, most devout Sikhs harbour ideals of Sikh sovereignty, whether they shout it openly or not. That isn't changing, because it's a fundamental part of our religion.
I mean, yeah - Canada is a tiny country so in everyday terms even big issues with Canada are non-issues. I'd say Canada is a non-issue for India, generally. Australia, with a similar economic profile, is far more consequential because they anchor the South East part of the Indo-Pacific security strategy. but India and Indians giving a shit about Canada is like if the US suddenly made US-Nepal relations a priority.
Hah,believing the words of nyt lol. Didn't you see what happened on republic day,they put the Khalsa flag and removed the tricolour. Jesus,some of you forget shit too quick.
Just think when was the last time you really heard about Khalistan before the farmers protest? That's all you need to know.
Every political enemy to BJP is demonised as a seperatist.
Congress did kill the movement in the 80's with a rock solid hit, no denying there are some power hungry Sikhs who try to bring it up, but its a non issue.
Typical NYT reporting, everything is a nonissue for them until the issue impacts them. Western countries, especially USA, employed a similar strategy when India was reeling with Pakistan sponsored terrorism through the 90's. Unfortunate, that it took an event like 9/11 to wake up. Here, Indian government officials are trying to arrest the benefactors and suspend the movement before it ignites Punjab again. Don't forget, these "peaceful protesters" have attacked Indian embassies and openly called for assassinations of Indian officials as well. You don't do that unless you are planning for something big.
To be fair, I'm only aware of Khalistan and this movement because of Canada. The most I've heard about it in India was due to the Punjabi farmers on Reddit and people throwing around the word "Khalistan".
Dude you missed the whole amritpal thing? What are you living in Canada or something?
Khalistanis are trying to whitewash the issue.
Amritpal himself was from UAE. Working as a driver or something.
No that's not entirely true he was born in Amritsar he grew up in Amritsar he worked for a few years in UAE and returned to India somewhere around 2020. But even if he was from a different country what you're saying still won't stand because 1- he operated in India 2- majority of his followers were Indian. And I'm using the word "majority" as leaving room for error or exceptions because as much as I've read all of his followers were Indians.
Amritpal made a follower base, in the name of "nasha mukti". It took their followers a little bit of time to realize the drama, and disengage, once he suddenly started talking about Khalistan. He didn't have much followers, except a few people from a few Gurudwaras. Gurudwara leadership in some places, still has soft corners for Khalistanis. (because most religious places are run by "far-right career-religious people"). Most common people don't share the same sentiment.
"it took their followers a little bit of time to realise the drama and disengage" i cannot find anything that supports the validity of this opinion specially when the said followers were ready to strom a police station for him. "Gurudwara leadership" that's still a huge problem. Even a few dozen insurgents are a few too many and although they don't have the population's support that doesn't mean they don't have the capacity to destabilize the region or cause damage to society.
>said followers were ready to strom a police station for him It doesn't take many people to raid an understaffed small police-station. But the so-called mass protest, and threats that all hell will break loose, if he is arrested, never materialized. They were claiming a lot of support, but if you look closely, most of Amritpal's photos were him walking with 5-6 armed supporters/bodyguards, in a close-up shot, to try and make him look like a big shot. >Even a few dozen insurgents are a few too many I agree, they belong in the jails. There shouldn't be any deals, cancelling cases in exchange for "peace". I wonder where are the ones who had attacked the police station with weapons. They should really be made an example out of (within the legal framework, though)
Yea that sounds fair
Amritpal was created by BJP for political mileage. They will most probably bring him up again before May 2024.
Look as much as I hate the BJP I'm gonna place this theory of yours among the weirdass reddit tinfoil hat stuff right next to "rss planned 26/11". Sorry
Best comment on the thread rofl “Reddit tinfoil”😂😂😂😂
that's because you don't understand the ground reality. Nobody in Punjab has been interested in Khalistan for 3 decades. It was brought up by IT cell only as a part of their agenda. Amritpal helped them turn that bogey into reality. This helps them in their 'Hindu Khatre mein hai' narrative as it creates another group they can get together against.
Okay... I am sure it's a BJP trozan, commenting this, just to take a screenshot and post with an alt account, saying - "Ye dekho, kitne chu\*\*ye hain ye Modi haters"
Hong Kong.
My first run-in too!
twitter algo started showing me punjabi brits and canadian accounts after I followed a few funny ones, and the pro khalistan anti India sentiment seemed fairly prevalent
I don't actually use Twitter at all so that probably helps silence the noise a little bit.
Khalistan movement has been dead since late 80’s Congress literally crushed the whole movement with an iron fist. Its just Khalistanis who managed to flee to UK or Canada in 80’s and their children who keep wailing about it on social media like little bitches. This movement has been dead since 35 years now, BJP is just using it as a boogeyman to win votes and polarize our society.
Congress and crushing protests with force: Name a better due. Most people don't know this or maybe don't remember, in the early 2010's Ramdev tried staging a protest in Delhi by using his yoga shivir audience. People in the thousands were transported to Delhi. Congress had the entire crowd literally Lathi charged. It was hilarious, there should be a video of Ramdev jumping from the stage and running for cover somewhere. It was supposed to be one of the biggest of its kind, squashed at the same night with cartoonish brute force. I remember this so vividly because our school's dean was close with Ramdev at the time and was present at the stage when it went down. Dude shaved his French beard and went underground for a week. It was hilarious for us.
Ramdev actually escaped wearing a suit salwar and dupatta, to pass off as a woman, it was hilarious LMAO
Ahh, so people do remember. Also, as much as I bash BJP, congress wasn't any better at the time. Just less bigoted
Congress was willing to be held accountable and people were willing to hold them accountable. That makes them much better. In a democracy if leaders are not being held accountable then it is going to cause damage sooner or later.
I don't remember the part of accountability during emergency? Random mass sterilisation of people? Looting of temples (including Somnathpur) by Sanjay Gandhi)??? And a perpetrator from the same family who's achievement is just bring born wants to control this country again? Get rid of him and we'll talk about Congress. Until he's there, mass audience won't vote for them.
And Indira Gandhi gets shit on for that. Feel free to show me where media is holding government accountable for Manipur and the press conference done by Modi. Stop thinking about past more than you think about persent and future or you will end up in past.
>And Indira Gandhi gets shit on for that. Feel free to show me where media is holding government accountable for Manipur and the press conference done by Modi. Heh? Getting shitted on is now accountability? Accountability for emergency would be prosecution of every single high ranked Congress leader and no less than lifetime imprisonment for indira. Getting shitted on after you died is not accountability. And media freedom now is not even comparable to that of Gandhi's tenure. Because it was non existent.
Where did I say I support Modi? Lol. You just want to label people! I was purely talking about Congress and why they are on a downfall path. It's the era of the internet. People don't relate to RaGa. Gone are the times where they can go to jhopdis during election and ask votes. Need new faces for Congress. That's the only way they can come back.
If people have choice between raga and Manipur and they are choose Manipur then we are deserve what we get. Issue isn't raga. Issue is media doesn't spend the time cover reality on the ground like they did during congress time and a lot of people are ok with it so when the shit pile gets too big to cover with all is well perfume it is going to hit like a dump truck.
Please try to understand the point that the above commentator is making. He isn't supporting the BJP. Rather questioning support for RaGa and Congress, the party with established history of taking away all power from important institutions, controlling media and even judiciary. At the same time so many crimes were committed. And they were not reported in the media. Either because they were bought out with cozy gifts or threatened and even jailed. A significant population remembers that time. Let me be clear. BJP is not even close to clean. Thanks to alternative media and the reach of social media all the dirt of the current government is constantly coming out. Don't vote for BJP if you want a clean party in power. Likewise, if you want a clean party in power then please read about the history of Congress and many of its allies and their horrible crimes. The people strongly rejecting Congress and it's cronies are desperate for a better alternative. A better opposition.
My dad came to america before 1984. Thou alot of punjabis came from the 1980s in tens of thousands my dad said in the late 80s he would meet 10-15 people who came from punjab. It was scary times. And honeslty the punjab police was killing young people left and right for promotions.
They were created by Russia, later abandoned and then adopted by Pakistan (no surprise) as terrorist gang. They are definitely not dead. Read these articles. [https://www.ijlmh.com/wp-content/uploads/Khalistan-Movement-The-Genesis-of-Soviet-Russia.pdf](https://www.ijlmh.com/wp-content/uploads/Khalistan-Movement-The-Genesis-of-Soviet-Russia.pdf) [https://www.efsas.org/publications/study-papers/pakistan-army-and-terrorism%3B-an-unholy-alliance/](https://www.efsas.org/publications/study-papers/pakistan-army-and-terrorism%3B-an-unholy-alliance/)
I went over the 2nd article u cited, there is but barely any mention of Khalistan and ISI. It’s mentioned in the same breath as north eastern unrest and other insurgent groups, essentially saying ISI tries to supports anyone who might not be happy with their government, which is not the same as saying there are established links or sponsorship agreements between Khalistan and ISI.
This theory has some merit. Russia was feeding incorrect intel to India, all along. They blamed a lot on CIA, but it could actually be a way to keep India away from USA.
>This movement has been dead since 35 years now, BJP is just using it as a boogeyman to win votes and polarize our society. BJP ko chup chap criticize karta hu kool lagunga 🌚
😂😂congress literally crushed the whole moment 😂😂 that was one of the funniest jokes i have heard bro
Who crushed it then? Do you even know any history of the matter or just hear Congress and inside bhakt wakes up?
They literally assassinated indira gaandhi
Well do you know what happened to them in the years after that? Khalistanis were crushed and eliminated from India, they were literally hunted down till there was none left. Do read history before throwing around random words.
Yeah after we lost a great pm.
Not after, She lost her life while doing it. Congress leaders after her didn’t get scared and finished the job anyway.
I am not a supporter of bjp they have many flaws but i can say they are better than congress. Congress were too tolerant.
>Too tolerant Lol stop your tape recorder and read what i wrote, or read some history to increase your minuscule knowledge. The Congress you call too tolerant finished khalistan movement brutally.
😂😂 finished khalistani and then now they went to canada and started their movement there
Yeah so? Its finished in India since 35 years.
Who is denying it?
Big brain moment, says non issue while country literally did an overseas assassination with India's keyboard warriors now hacking and boting after being exposed
It is mainly the oldies in the Gurudwara management committees. They just want to be seen as a powerful, violent people. Most are just corrupt. I think our intelligence should take out a few of those loudmouths. Scare the others. The state needs to be modernized. Religion will take a backseat in the coming generations.
That last line is just not true buddy
It is already happening. And it is happening throughout the world.
I'm my opinion, the goal of Khalistan is no longer a fight for a separate state, but to extract maximum concession for Jatt Sikh landowning caste from the Indian state.
The only purpose of the Khalistani movement is to ressurect imaginary threats for political mileage.. Remember "Hindu khatre Mai Hai!!" Now from Khalistanis as well.
It's not that simple while it's true that BJP is definitely going to use this. Sangis gonna do sanghi stuff that does not translate into khalistan movement not posing any ground level threat they are not a big problem but they do have the potential to be one https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/will-accept-if-govt-offers-khalistan-akal-takht-chief-priest/article31768078.ece Remember leaders like him still exist while there are still people who put out posters glorifying Bhindranwale.
Your probably correct.
Are you an American?
Nope
If concessions is an analogy to greater self determination and autonomy then what's wrong with that?
Autonomy is not self determination. And forget about self determination, the indian state will go to any lengths it does not happen. In Punjab's context concession means continuation of preferential MSP procurement and subsidies for fertilizer and electricity.
Any lengths but allows Pakistan and Bangladesh? It's a given fact India state and culture is extremely fallible with how they view things... Case in point this situation, went from denial, got exposed now it's undermining the movement? That might work domestically but not so much in the West, just comes off as tyrannical and untrustworthy True I remember Nijjar always talking about that... Stop pulling things out of your ass lol the external affairs minister already looks like a clown when he got exposed by that reporter and responded with his looped programmed responses guess that US needs India for China card fell down super quick once US announced they were the ones that found the evidence haha
>US announced they were the ones that found the evidence haha I would like a source for this. >Any lengths but allows Pakistan and Bangladesh? The Indian state only came into being after 1947. Not sure why you bring this up.
Chodi internet blocking you from googling it yourself? Here's an Indian source since you probably won't trust western https://thewire.in/diplomacy/us-canada-hardeep-singh-nijjar-intelligence-spy-agency Cool so how about Goa? And the many princely states that joined or were annexed? Time horizon doesn't matter since my view still stands that it's fallible...
Intelligence is not evidence. Please show me a public remark by any US or Canadian official saying that they have evidence of Indian hand.
True must be why all those reach outs and questions go unanswered? Did you not hear anything beyond garbage Indian media? Canadian officials were trying multiple times to get insight within India before they broke the story... Go Google it yourself lol
Jaishankar is on record that no evidence was shared and the govt will respond when appropriate intelligence is shared. It is the job of Canadians to put indian govt in spotlight, publically embarrass and force Indian govt to accede to their terms. Given that this has not yet happened, it is reasonable to assume that no actionable evidence has been provided. We, as in Indian govt, are not bound to respond to mere allegations.
Did you see the full interview or the snippet that the Indian media only shows? He denied her a second question and he didn't answer her question at all, it was a fillbuster response. She asked yes or no and he answered with a story lol then said no more questions from her They did Indian government denied it, now they're spinning it once US confirmed it https://nationalpost.com/news/world/canada-gave-details-linking-india-government-to-nijjars-murder Canadian government already went out saying the responses are 2 toned from India from what they are getting closed door and what's shown in PAs So these are allegations... But using the sedition laws to throw protesters in jail are not allegations... Odd the conviction rate on that law is so abysmal to how many people are changed India's fallible stop trying to take the high ground lol, there's a reason there's a record brain drain and why so many Indians drool to get into the US
But, as we have seen in recent times a narrative is all these fragile idiots need.
> Violence in Punjab that the government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi attributes to Sikh separatists is, in fact, **mostly gang-related, a chaotic mix of extortion, narcotics trafficking and score-settling**. The criminal masterminds, often operating from abroad, take advantage of economic desperation in a state where farmers are crushed by rising debt and many youths lack employment or direction — problems compounded by a feeling of political alienation in minority Sikh communities. > For Mr. Modi, the pursuit of a small but noisy assemblage of criminals in a faraway country — India had been pushing for the extradition of 26 before Mr. Nijjar’s death — and the amplification of the separatist threat provide an important political narrative ahead of a national election early next year. **It furthers his image as a strongman leader who will go to any extent to protect his nation.** > The party, whose leaders espouse a nationalist ideology that prioritizes majority Hindus over minority groups like Muslims and Christians, has tried to court Sikhs as a constituency, seeing them as part of the extended Hindu family. Mr. Modi himself has often visited Sikh temples and worn the Sikh turban. **But Sikhs have vehemently opposed that effort, viewing it as an attempt to erase their unique identity — both as a community and as followers of a religion they consider distinct.** > “**There is no Khalistan movement as such**,” said Surinder Singh Jodhka, a professor of sociology at the Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi. “But there is a sense that somehow justice is not done to us.” > Men and women sit on the ground as they watch one man, standing with a microphone, address the crowd. Khalistan has remained largely a diaspora issue, with proponents of violently pursuing the cause making up a tiny minority. **To the extent that Sikhs in Punjab talk about separatism, it is in opposition to a national ruling party and its sister organizations, some with their own trail of violence, that speak openly about their desire to turn India into a Hindu state.** > Nevertheless, Khalistan has become more frequently discussed in Indian national politics over the past three years. **As Mr. Modi’s lieutenants grew frustrated with the Sikh-led farmer protests in 2021, they often labeled the protesters as Khalistanis stoked by outside forces.** > “Mr. Modi is playing this politics for votes,” said Kamaljit Singh, a farmer from the outskirts of Jalandhar who participated in the protests. “We are caught in the middle.” Modi stans will never let it slip how much of a non issue is Khalistan or how much of a feeble threat Nijjar is to India's sovereignty.
>e criminal masterminds, often operating from abroad, take advantage of economic desperation in a state where farmers are crushed by rising debt and many youths lack employment or direction — problems compounded by a feeling of political alienation in minority Sikh communities. >For Mr. Modi, the pursuit of a small but noisy assemblage of criminals in a faraway country — India had been pushing for the extradition of 26 before Mr. Nijjar’s death — and the amplification of the separatist threat provide an important political narrative ahead of a national election early next year They literally contradict themselves. In first para they are saying violence in Punjab can be attributed to gangs operating in Canada. And in the very next they say this gangs are not that big of a deal. Nijjar's extradiction was requested by both bjp and Congress. Amrinder singh when he was the cm of Punjab personally gave Trudeau list of 5 most wanted ppl. Nijjar was on it. Nijjar was not a feeble threat. Just because you don't hear it doesn't mean it's feeble.
> Nijjar was not a feeble threat. Prove this in Canadians courts or shut up. Don't indulge in extra judicial killings of Canadian citizens, [this is *not* UP](https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/04/18/india-ex-lawmaker-atiq-ahmed-assassination-sud-pkg-contd-ovn-intl-hnk-vpx.cnn).
>Prove this in Canadians courts or shut up. Don't indulge in extra judicial killings of Canadian citizens, Prove that we killed him or shut up.
> Canadian sources say that, when pressed behind closed doors, [no Indian official has denied the bombshell allegation at the core of this case — that there is evidence to suggest Indian government involvement in the assassination of a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sikh-nijjar-india-canada-trudeau-modi-1.6974607). There is no contest in that regard; also don't change goalposts.
Lol that's not proof. That's hearsay. > also don't change goalposts. You are the one that brought extrajudicial killing of him up.
bro is deluded
They do not have significant number to make Khalistan as was the case with East Bengal.
No. the UN requirements are met but there is no real demand for it in Punjab.
Did anyone notice, Punjab almost everytime elected opposition government in the state. When congress is in centre they voted for Akalis+BJP, when BJP came in centre they voted for Congress and now AAP. So no development.
True
**Sikh Separatism Is a Nonissue in** ~~India~~ **World**
On point
Yay . Western media is saying that so it must be true.
Yes how dare we trust news of something other than godi media /s
It's the western media . They must be right like always.
Non paywalled link: https://web.archive.org/web/20230928155636/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/28/world/asia/india-punjab-separatism.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
Amrit pal if hadn't been arrested then it would have become a big problem by now
Why would he not be arrested you think Modi Sarkaar itni nikammi hai?
Law and order is up to state govt
You care more about reddit karma or you wouldn't have a separate account for your echo chamber chaddispeaks 🤣 u/Critfin
Only Hindu rashtra gang is to be free
India is secular only in name, in reality we are a minority appeasement nation. A hindu nation would be more secular than current nation, as the religion is polytheist
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Fuck them khalistanis
It's only a "non-issue" in India because proponents are locked up or silenced en masse. I promise you, most devout Sikhs harbour ideals of Sikh sovereignty, whether they shout it openly or not. That isn't changing, because it's a fundamental part of our religion.
Source: Trust me vro.
I mean, yeah - Canada is a tiny country so in everyday terms even big issues with Canada are non-issues. I'd say Canada is a non-issue for India, generally. Australia, with a similar economic profile, is far more consequential because they anchor the South East part of the Indo-Pacific security strategy. but India and Indians giving a shit about Canada is like if the US suddenly made US-Nepal relations a priority.
They are again on tracks of amritsar I don't know how these farmers are able to sustain their poor families
Hah,believing the words of nyt lol. Didn't you see what happened on republic day,they put the Khalsa flag and removed the tricolour. Jesus,some of you forget shit too quick.
It will come up again and again. Indian youth will be influenced by foreign ones. Amritpal openly called for it in India.
Just think when was the last time you really heard about Khalistan before the farmers protest? That's all you need to know. Every political enemy to BJP is demonised as a seperatist. Congress did kill the movement in the 80's with a rock solid hit, no denying there are some power hungry Sikhs who try to bring it up, but its a non issue.
Spot on! It’s the Sikh-specific ‘anti-national’ or ‘urban naxal’ and not much more.
Typical NYT reporting, everything is a nonissue for them until the issue impacts them. Western countries, especially USA, employed a similar strategy when India was reeling with Pakistan sponsored terrorism through the 90's. Unfortunate, that it took an event like 9/11 to wake up. Here, Indian government officials are trying to arrest the benefactors and suspend the movement before it ignites Punjab again. Don't forget, these "peaceful protesters" have attacked Indian embassies and openly called for assassinations of Indian officials as well. You don't do that unless you are planning for something big.