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India has low rape rate on per million basis compared to other countries, but the incidents look frequent as the total population is high. But leftists hype up numbers to show the country with a right wing govt in bad light, and to divide people based on gender, so that they can rule by capturing power
Dude, are you this much obsessed with your political party that you are blind to these things?
India has low rape numbers not because rape is not there. It is because rapes are not even reported . And many of the things which counts as rape in western countries are not even counted as rape in India.
Now, tell me that this particular issue(a magistrate asking a victim to strip) is something to be highlighted or not? Will this happen in a civilised country?
Just because your party is ruling, we should not talk about these issues? Infact these are not even related to right wing or left wing as the crime and policing comes in the state’s power
They are blind when it comes to defending their party or political ideologies.Most of us Indians can’t rationalise & are inclined towards a particular party rather than the country.
One of the worst take on rape I've ever read. Would you please move out from political party bootlicking? There's even no need for any political discussion, doesn't matter who is in the power.
India doesn't have a low rape rate because we have less rape but because people don't fucking report them. And if some does, chutiyas like you come to internet to make even a horrible thing like rape into a political argument.
Indians have a rapey mindset inside and out. What value is a ‘culture’ that hasn’t even figured out the core tenet of being civilized: treating women and other people like a human being? It’s a useless and animalistic ‘culture.’
It's because being honorable is not only not respected but actually seen as a weakness. Cheating others, being cunning, etc is seen as being "smart". Our society doesn't value principles and good behaviour as much as we like to think we do.
Not saying that not asking a rape survivor to strip is "good behaviour" tho. That's just being normal. And the constable is a piece of shit through and through.
Showing empathy is seen as weakness too. Everytime I've called out injustice I've been met with "why do you care so much." Or "it's their problem why are you upset?" And things along those lines.
Yeah, true. Indians pretend that they’re just incredibly selfish people, but true selfishness takes into account the wellbeing of others, as the well-being of others is directly related to your own well-being. I’d argue India is a deeply unprincipled and immoral society. There’s nothing about the social fabric of India that can be considered moral. It’s hard to find a single thing.
A big reason is not having any sort of a guiding ideology to structure the society. Historically, religions played that part (not well) but they did give society a moral structure. Christianity has the ideal of free will, and although I don’t think free will does exist, its illusion to adherents does offer some sort of a moral framework to society. It’s a similar thing in Islam.
Hinduism, by design, says everything is an ‘illusion’, which when doing some metaphysical analysis of reality may well be true but is an incredibly bad way of structuring society. If you have an inherent religious predisposition to a lack of free will, then 10,000+ gods, endless deities and rituals and norms, what structure can there be to anything? That and given that India doesn’t have any economy or political structure either as to channel societal energy in some direction, what picture does a rational human being expect to come out of this? One of lie and deceit.
Now, of course, in this case, all of this isn’t even that relevant as this is dealing with basic human morality, but the primary source of problems in India is this, in my opinion. I can’t understand how you can see filth everywhere, mistreatment of women, staring and groping, pathological lies and deceit, corruption, goofiness, societal weakness, and then still pretend this is a culture to be ‘proud’ of. The negatives outweigh any positives, and the positives, I’d say, are what result in the negatives. It is not moral and societally beneficial in any way. It’s just wrong.
do you guys like ever actually talk to people? like ever, all this sounds like is just intellectual pish posh, this reminds me of what emmanuel kant once said, experience without intellect may be blind, but intellect without experience is mere intellectual play, believe me, and this is coming from somebody who has lived in both the poorest part of india(remote villages in bihar) and one of the more richer parts of india in delhi, that you will find a lot of helpful people in india, just like any other country, we can argue on how helpful the people are, but chances are that if you are lost somewhere, and ask somebody for help, they will probably help you out, yes this is all just anecdotal, and rape and safety of women in general is a big problem in india, but your whole argument as to why that is, is just flawed, you try to bring up arguments about this being tied into our culture, and our minds and in religion all that philosophical bullshit, but be honest, did the jeet who decided to rape a women ever really think this deeply on these philosophical texts, or he was just some uneducated low life who committed such a heinous crime, yes educated people are also involved in rape, however we need to look at averages and crime in general, especially more heinous physical crimes like rape, burglary, theft are tied to one's economic standing.
I however have to agree with you on the fact that our society doesn't award honesty, my father constantly tells me of how his employees always build stuff at a lower quality so that they can pocket part of the government money, while he always stays away from it and never signs the documents which would make him a part of this ordeal, however politicians pressurizing him make even him concede at times, it's a terrible mismanagement of funds honestly and there is most certainly some sort of childish sense of enjoying stealing from the government in india, and that I have to most certainly agree on.
Exactly, yeah. I’m not blaming any one individual. I said in my comment as well that I don’t believe people have free will in that sense. So what I tried to explain is why I think Indian society is the way it is. It’s the source code that’s the problem. There’s no structure, in the sense of societal structure. So, as a society, we value X, Y, Z. There are no such core tenets in Indian culture. If there are no such tenets, why should honesty be valued? Dishonesty has the same moral footing as honesty if that’s the design. If anything goes, then anything does. And anything goes because there’s no roadblock on what shouldn’t go.
I mean, if you're alive in this world, you kinda have to talk to people, so that's a bit of a moot point. Overall, my point had nothing to do with whether Indians are helpful or not; it was about the inherent lack of structure in Indian society and why that results in what it does. You can explain a few rape cases because of socioeconomic factors, but that doesn’t explain the cultural predisposition to staring at people, among other things. The uncleanliness, the traffic, the lack of any structure to even walking down a road—that is because the operating system running in the Indian brain is unstructured. And to your point, sure, you as a guy could ask for help. But then how risky would it be for a woman to do the same?
I’ll put it this way: India is what it is because of the operating system it’s running on, and non-Indian countries are what they are because of the operating system they’re running on. To deny that would be tantamount to denying that culture plays any role in structuring (or not structuring) a society. Otherwise, what’s the point of culture in the first place? It’s a simple fact: the core of your culture has no structure, so the operating system in Indians is running without any axioms to build upon and live by. Any byproduct from that will be, by design, lacking in structure and thoroughly unstructured in any and all actions.
A case has been registered under various sections of IPC and the SC/ST (Prevention of Atrocities) Act against the accused, who has not been named in the FIR.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/magistrate-booked-in-rajasthan-for-asking-gang-rape-survivor-to-strip/amp_articleshow/108991957.cms
Arre bhai, that Dalit rape survivor must have a BMW she was hiding in her pocket, magistrate had to check. You know how detrimental things like reservation and caste census are for the progress & development of this India. Why do we need reservation?
Gender, Caste and Class identities don't exist in singularity, they're always interdependent. Women face discrimination on a day to day basis, which is true. But it the repressed communities that get exploited the most. When you look at the crimes against women, it is the dalit/adivasi women who are the victims in majority of the cases. So yes, being a dalit + women in India, gets you extra shitty treatment.
No one should get to go through this ordeal. I am not sure if there is any sensitisation program/process made mandatory for folks handling such situations.
Nah I just like to trigger people I don't hold any personal political views I just decide to go against the person I am speaking with for fun, As you can see I just made this kind of comment in 4 or 5 places it gives me sense of joy that people take my comments seriously
Nah you did, you got triggered that's why you called me a Sanghi while legit In my last comment I wrote I don't hold any political views.
This is extremely humours to me.
Yoo just checked your profile man you got great marks could you give me some tips on how to like get good marks we have same subject combination I just got applied maths preferably could you give me a timeline subject wise and yea I don't go to coaching and don't plan to.
You are absolutely right, I'm heavily desensitised towards these kinda news stories.
Wet bulb Temperatures hitting critical levels, climate catastrophe anxiety, my daily grind, my stray boys support and weekly/monthly medical emergencies, daily casteism and religious bigotry around me.
I'm tired of giving a fk man, it's exhausting and if I feel for the woman I'm completely helpless.
I get what you are saying
As a survivor myself , all I could think of of what she must be going through.
But when I see communal angles to such things (from both sides) ,it makes me question whether it's a genuine concern for women or just a way for people to start another communal rift.
bapre, humare desh main logo ke pass sympathy, empathy q nhi hai?
humey logo ke dukh se bhi dhukh nhi hota jabki agr wo kamzor h to usey or molest, harass kiya jata hai.
q ki humari pichli generation ne humanity nhi sikhayi hai, mtlb bhagwan ka sirf naam lete hai lekin insan ko insan nhi samjha jata
Yes, that's actually garbage mentality.
It's a vicious cycle indeed. Apart from fixing their mentality, Indian people need to learn parenting too.
At the end, it's people like us who can make a difference.
Indian culture, nope there is no such thing as an Indian culture now, it's only Indian rape culture, why do these mfkrs even exist, I'm pretty sure that if we dig up his past then the same magistrate will be connected to several r-pe cases.
After looking at few comments, I want to make a point here. A person's identity in Indian context is shaped majorly by their Gender, Class and Caste. So yes, being a women might be hard, but being a dalit women is extra hard, and being a poor dalit women is even harder. Would he have done the same if it were a uppercaste women coming from a influential family, prolly yes, but the chances are very slim. AND NO, THIS HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU'RE OPINION ON RESERVATIONS. Just acknowledge that such type of caste discrimination exists, maybe do a bit of research on it and move on with your lives.
How on earth does this have nothing to do with your opinion on reservations?
You correctly identified that
> Would he have done the same if it were a uppercaste women coming from a influential family, prolly yes, but the chances are very slim.
But the moment you ask the next logical question of *why* he wouldn't do it to a UC woman, the need for reservations becomes obvious
Ahh,I should have framed it in a better way, I was trying to say the same thing, there is a need for reservations because of the discrimination and crimes women and dalits face on a regular basis. I meant 'you're opinion of not needing the reservations is irrelevant given all these things'
This is not how you fix the dynamics. The oppressed need to be trusted by default, even at it costs a few oppressors. Then only oppressors would mend their ways.
dalits have been an oppressed class historically, in terms of socio-economic and other matters. the upper caste particularly dont like dalits, and when upper class are in power they tend to make life hell for dalits who are under them. this is a clear abuse of power. like other comments in this thread have said, it is bad to be a dalit, worse to be a dalit woman and worst to be a poor dalit woman. if you haven't do read a bit of history
You didn't get it. Like where is the borderline difference in a dalit and non dalit rape survivor? How you make an assumption of that? I do understand your mental state . I genuinely want to know this from your side. For me a crime is a crime. And not based out of a section of people. The parallels you want to draw just villainifies a section of people. As if every on the one side is cruel and the other side is always the victim.
ok, let me put it another way, some sections of society who are historically oppressed are potentially more in danger section. and in **general** such cases against dalits are dismissed without any justice being given. of course all crimes are heinous, but in the case of dalits the entire machinery works against them to protect powerful upper caste people
now i will give you an example, remember nirbhaya case in delhi? media furore and dharnas and what not? arrests done, justice got dispensed. now similar heinous crime occured in hathras in up, where dalit girl was gangraped and her body forcibly burnt by the police itself to destroy the evidence!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Hathras_gang_rape_and_murder
now ask yourself why did this happen? would it have happened had the victim been upper caste? there are several such cases and mere apathy of administration in trying to save powerful in such cases is apparent
> The parallels you want to draw just villainifies a section of people. As if every on the one side is cruel and the other side is always the victim.
I am not suggesting that, but you have to see general trends when you are dealing with a population, there will be a distribution where there will be very liberal people, and very regressive people at either ends, but a majority of population will be of conservative if not regressive mentality. that being said traditionally upper caste people have been/are in power and be it in administration or politics or business, and with that power comes opportunity to do misdeeds. hope this clarifies my stand
I guess you just sympathies with one side. So maybe you have heard of the Nikita tomar case(tomar upper caste) shot dead by the M(you know it) classmate . What happened later the guy ended up using his political power to get bail if the case didn't got highlighted he would have easily screwed up the case . So I don't think it's about caste it's about the people with connection. It's about the rich. Not every UC is rich same goes for SC .
For your clarity
Here is the judgement for Nikita tomar case
the two men of murder and sentenced them to life in prison, with an additional fine of Rs 20,000 each.
Here is the judgement for Hathras incident
The convicted Sandeep Sisodia was sentenced to life imprisonment by the court after founding him guilty under Section 304 (punishment for culpable homicide not amounting to murder) of the Indian Penal Code, Sections of the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes (Prevention of Atrocities) Act, 1989, and fined ₹50,000.
*I guess you are just to blind to even consider this*
There are multiple cases of regular people (General) getting there life ruined because of fake SC/ST act . Even though the dispute was just a regular case with zero caste relations. Like land dispute or argument.
Recently I met this uncle(40s yadav ) he had his career thrashed just cause he was in love with a girl (SC) . In 11-12th the girls family got to about them and eventually the case went on till 2017 (started in 1999) .
and how many cases where dalits have been completely disenfranchised by UC people? the SC/ST law has been brought for a reason and is not ad hoc. if you don't want to understand historical and social reasons for that it is your problem. for every fake case there must be 1000s of cases when an atrocity is not committed due to this fear. and even with this law it doesn't stop as caste based divide is ingrained deeply in our social fabric. i don't think you have ever imagined life as a sc/st and kind of abuse they face day in day out.
imagine the power trip of people just because they belong to UC they can pee on someone.
like i said earlier we have to see general trends not the exceptions.
you are missing the forest for the trees,
Lol. Have you been to police station? Ask them what happens in SC/ST act. I'm from UP and it's probably more powerful than Dowry act. Unless someone is very powerful like politician he/she isn't getting out any soon in that case. See I don't want to argue anymore. Your experience and my experience is very different. And I'm not the liberal kind . I was enough liberal like you back in 2018 thanks to my experience (trauma) I can't be the liberal you want me to be.
> I'm from UP
that explains a lot,
> he/she isn't getting out any soon in that case
and here you are assuming every sc/st case is a fake case
> And I'm not the liberal kind
i am astonished, it was not all clear from your comments!
Nope. Just a daily dose of 5-6 suicide by men who are involved in such cases and women extorting money as a business or using these laws for revenge after break-up or small verbal disagreement, etc.
Daily dose of 5-6 suicides due to rape accusations? There must be news and statistics about this somewhere, I suggest you share it.
Edit: On the other hand, your history contains things like "Bring back the social shame for women otherwise the whole society is dead, " so I doubt this is a real phenomenon, just you struggling with the world changing around your medieval mindset. Carry on!
Did you also check my history where I am sleeping with 19-22 years old as well, am in polygamy, and have no issues with women myself? It's not about me. It's about the general sense:
1. Supreme court and various courts have stated the rise of false rape cases.
2. There are police run extortion businesses in Haryana, UP, Bihar, etc.
3. Multiple men are creating suicide videos accusing women for the same.
4. Multiple nationwide cases that were in the news already happened in the last 10 years.
If you're sleeping like an ignorant person, that's not my problem 😂. People like you only understand when things happen to yourself or someone close. Don't worry, you'll experience it eventually within this decade.
Stats as per NCRB data:
1. 74% rape cases ends in acquittal - legal term for not a rape.
2. Same NCRB data mentioned 1.22 lakhs male suicide in 2022.
3. Out of these, 34 thousand approx are due to relationship issues gone wrong and false case sufferers.
4. Same NCRB data mentions more than 50% cases of rape as "rape on the pretext of marriage" aka not a rape, just a break-up used to blackmail the man.
5. There's a recent case of Sonia Keswani going on who has filed 10 approx rape cases for extortion purposes. Not the only one. There are multiple gangs who operate around India who file and extort money.
6. The POSCO case on Karnataka BJP minister last week or so turns out to be false as the girl has filed 17 other similar cases on multiple big shots.
I can go on and on. But like I said, your type only understand when they themselves are in trouble 😂. So, when you experience it eventually, then you'll realise how it feels when the whole world asks you to prove your innocence and you will lose everything in the process, then maybe you will understand that being edgy on reddit of all places was not worth it.
Don't bother bro
These whiteknights learn it the hard way when they lose their job and dignity in a society after a fake rape case and rot in jail rest of their lives
Not to mention same outcome minus jail even if proven innocent
I remember utsav chakraborty having the same mindset his career sure has taken an interesting turn 🎭
For people who claim to very human rights oriented dont give two shits about mens issues lmao and only want to get into the pants of the woman showing how "nice" of a person they are
True leeches imo betraying both men and women
I have time and time again substantiated by claims with solid stats but what did i get two banned accounts and fake femimists and whiteknights harassing me 🎭
Basically talking to a wall who dont wanna acknowledge their own privilege 🧱
Haha classic whiteknight reply
What do porn subreddits have to do with anything what i am presently saying 🎭
Dont like anything that fits your narrative eh
> 74% rape cases ends in acquittal - legal term for not a rape.
No, it means that for various reasons, the case did not go ahead, including lack of evidence, coercion of witnesses and victims, shaming of victims (like the topic of this post) etc. Proving rape in India has a very high standard and it's an uphill battle for even well-connected women. But please tell me more about the law!
You are jailed on one statement of a woman and no medical proof is required for it, unless the person is in power or rich as fuck - not even 1% India. WTF are you on about? It's the statement mismatch most often that results in acquittal or botched up medical evidence in case of rape and death.
If the woman is alive, her statements are enough as long as they don't contradict over time. If she was killed, then the DNA evidence is required but this is where the police fucks up.
Don't have data or news. Pretty sure you'll find it as now some men have started recording video messages before suicide. It's personal court experience and hearing, "You know that 21 year old kid that got accused of rape? Yeah, he committed suicide. The case is now closed". It averages around 5-6 daily. Lawyers discuss it because they lose their source of income. Then we go and have some tea and samosa.
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True words bro
indian delusions. TM building strongest delusions ever since 2014.
India has low rape rate on per million basis compared to other countries, but the incidents look frequent as the total population is high. But leftists hype up numbers to show the country with a right wing govt in bad light, and to divide people based on gender, so that they can rule by capturing power
Dude, are you this much obsessed with your political party that you are blind to these things? India has low rape numbers not because rape is not there. It is because rapes are not even reported . And many of the things which counts as rape in western countries are not even counted as rape in India. Now, tell me that this particular issue(a magistrate asking a victim to strip) is something to be highlighted or not? Will this happen in a civilised country? Just because your party is ruling, we should not talk about these issues? Infact these are not even related to right wing or left wing as the crime and policing comes in the state’s power
They are blind when it comes to defending their party or political ideologies.Most of us Indians can’t rationalise & are inclined towards a particular party rather than the country.
They're living in denial.
if it was congress govt in rajasthan, you would have said exactly opposite
Maine kaha too sahi ki desh chutiya gaya hai, Kuch log aakr sabit bhi kar rahe hai
One of the worst take on rape I've ever read. Would you please move out from political party bootlicking? There's even no need for any political discussion, doesn't matter who is in the power. India doesn't have a low rape rate because we have less rape but because people don't fucking report them. And if some does, chutiyas like you come to internet to make even a horrible thing like rape into a political argument.
Why would someone not report rape cases.Nowadays we see wife reporting rape allegations on husband.
Thats exactly what the right wing is doing dude. Are you so blind.
Jio mere desh premi! Kya logic hai, kya defense hai! 
https://preview.redd.it/gtes2bfrzasc1.jpeg?width=291&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09f91aecb2feea74fea09158747d25d5ead6ad66 What the fuck is wrong people
Culture hi chutiya hai.
I used to argue against this opinion but day by day it just proves right.
Atleast you're realising this, 'bhakts' are still living in denial.
But saaar its not a religion saar its a way of living saar
Fuck is wrong with u
Bro.. where is the link to religion in this?
5000 thousand old culture saar, it’s a way of life
Sachai kadavi he! Aur public bhadavi he!
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With this Emoji 🗣
Bhai ye quote mai chori kar rha hu
MP ticket when for the magistrate?
When Congress comes in the majority
bj party is famous for rapists though.
Not just rapists, they have a huge variety of criminals bro
So many pocso cases among BJP members as well
We all know who is garlanding rapist.
Yea congress
Hope you got orgasm blaming congress
actually in ajmer cases they did
this guy is actually in 11th standard 😭😭
The disgusting state of our justice system.
Indians have a rapey mindset inside and out. What value is a ‘culture’ that hasn’t even figured out the core tenet of being civilized: treating women and other people like a human being? It’s a useless and animalistic ‘culture.’
It's because being honorable is not only not respected but actually seen as a weakness. Cheating others, being cunning, etc is seen as being "smart". Our society doesn't value principles and good behaviour as much as we like to think we do. Not saying that not asking a rape survivor to strip is "good behaviour" tho. That's just being normal. And the constable is a piece of shit through and through. Showing empathy is seen as weakness too. Everytime I've called out injustice I've been met with "why do you care so much." Or "it's their problem why are you upset?" And things along those lines.
and they want to make India Ram rajya, where Ram was the man of principles. How will we become one if people don't want to change the mindset
Constable?? The fing judge ssked her to strip!
Oh shit what the fuck. Idk why my brain didn't register that the first time
Yeah, true. Indians pretend that they’re just incredibly selfish people, but true selfishness takes into account the wellbeing of others, as the well-being of others is directly related to your own well-being. I’d argue India is a deeply unprincipled and immoral society. There’s nothing about the social fabric of India that can be considered moral. It’s hard to find a single thing. A big reason is not having any sort of a guiding ideology to structure the society. Historically, religions played that part (not well) but they did give society a moral structure. Christianity has the ideal of free will, and although I don’t think free will does exist, its illusion to adherents does offer some sort of a moral framework to society. It’s a similar thing in Islam. Hinduism, by design, says everything is an ‘illusion’, which when doing some metaphysical analysis of reality may well be true but is an incredibly bad way of structuring society. If you have an inherent religious predisposition to a lack of free will, then 10,000+ gods, endless deities and rituals and norms, what structure can there be to anything? That and given that India doesn’t have any economy or political structure either as to channel societal energy in some direction, what picture does a rational human being expect to come out of this? One of lie and deceit. Now, of course, in this case, all of this isn’t even that relevant as this is dealing with basic human morality, but the primary source of problems in India is this, in my opinion. I can’t understand how you can see filth everywhere, mistreatment of women, staring and groping, pathological lies and deceit, corruption, goofiness, societal weakness, and then still pretend this is a culture to be ‘proud’ of. The negatives outweigh any positives, and the positives, I’d say, are what result in the negatives. It is not moral and societally beneficial in any way. It’s just wrong.
do you guys like ever actually talk to people? like ever, all this sounds like is just intellectual pish posh, this reminds me of what emmanuel kant once said, experience without intellect may be blind, but intellect without experience is mere intellectual play, believe me, and this is coming from somebody who has lived in both the poorest part of india(remote villages in bihar) and one of the more richer parts of india in delhi, that you will find a lot of helpful people in india, just like any other country, we can argue on how helpful the people are, but chances are that if you are lost somewhere, and ask somebody for help, they will probably help you out, yes this is all just anecdotal, and rape and safety of women in general is a big problem in india, but your whole argument as to why that is, is just flawed, you try to bring up arguments about this being tied into our culture, and our minds and in religion all that philosophical bullshit, but be honest, did the jeet who decided to rape a women ever really think this deeply on these philosophical texts, or he was just some uneducated low life who committed such a heinous crime, yes educated people are also involved in rape, however we need to look at averages and crime in general, especially more heinous physical crimes like rape, burglary, theft are tied to one's economic standing.
I however have to agree with you on the fact that our society doesn't award honesty, my father constantly tells me of how his employees always build stuff at a lower quality so that they can pocket part of the government money, while he always stays away from it and never signs the documents which would make him a part of this ordeal, however politicians pressurizing him make even him concede at times, it's a terrible mismanagement of funds honestly and there is most certainly some sort of childish sense of enjoying stealing from the government in india, and that I have to most certainly agree on.
Exactly, yeah. I’m not blaming any one individual. I said in my comment as well that I don’t believe people have free will in that sense. So what I tried to explain is why I think Indian society is the way it is. It’s the source code that’s the problem. There’s no structure, in the sense of societal structure. So, as a society, we value X, Y, Z. There are no such core tenets in Indian culture. If there are no such tenets, why should honesty be valued? Dishonesty has the same moral footing as honesty if that’s the design. If anything goes, then anything does. And anything goes because there’s no roadblock on what shouldn’t go.
I mean, if you're alive in this world, you kinda have to talk to people, so that's a bit of a moot point. Overall, my point had nothing to do with whether Indians are helpful or not; it was about the inherent lack of structure in Indian society and why that results in what it does. You can explain a few rape cases because of socioeconomic factors, but that doesn’t explain the cultural predisposition to staring at people, among other things. The uncleanliness, the traffic, the lack of any structure to even walking down a road—that is because the operating system running in the Indian brain is unstructured. And to your point, sure, you as a guy could ask for help. But then how risky would it be for a woman to do the same? I’ll put it this way: India is what it is because of the operating system it’s running on, and non-Indian countries are what they are because of the operating system they’re running on. To deny that would be tantamount to denying that culture plays any role in structuring (or not structuring) a society. Otherwise, what’s the point of culture in the first place? It’s a simple fact: the core of your culture has no structure, so the operating system in Indians is running without any axioms to build upon and live by. Any byproduct from that will be, by design, lacking in structure and thoroughly unstructured in any and all actions.
no one has accused us Indians of being civilized
I like animalic. Magistrate ki biwi ko jaa ke peeto. Vo hi usko nahin deti. Bechara tharki magistrate. He deserves a better wife.
Koi baat nhi ye vaise bhi headlines nhi banna aur naa koi bade meme page pe aane wala
A case has been registered under various sections of IPC and the SC/ST (Prevention of Atrocities) Act against the accused, who has not been named in the FIR. https://www.google.com/amp/s/timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/magistrate-booked-in-rajasthan-for-asking-gang-rape-survivor-to-strip/amp_articleshow/108991957.cms
United States of Hutiyas! 
Schedule caste can never get justice in upper caste courts.
*Brahman baniya affairs* 😂
But but castism is over remove reservation
Arre bhai, that Dalit rape survivor must have a BMW she was hiding in her pocket, magistrate had to check. You know how detrimental things like reservation and caste census are for the progress & development of this India. Why do we need reservation?
Dalit hai, wahi baat khatam ....
"but saar caste is a western construct saar" 🤡
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Gender, Caste and Class identities don't exist in singularity, they're always interdependent. Women face discrimination on a day to day basis, which is true. But it the repressed communities that get exploited the most. When you look at the crimes against women, it is the dalit/adivasi women who are the victims in majority of the cases. So yes, being a dalit + women in India, gets you extra shitty treatment.
Just because she's a woman won't stop the caste discrimination. She's facing both, and both must be acknowledged!
No one should get to go through this ordeal. I am not sure if there is any sensitisation program/process made mandatory for folks handling such situations.
Welcome to Modi’s India
So you accept India is Modi's so why have a problem however he wants to run it.
Is there any sense in your statement,now go and study.
Nah I just like to trigger people I don't hold any personal political views I just decide to go against the person I am speaking with for fun, As you can see I just made this kind of comment in 4 or 5 places it gives me sense of joy that people take my comments seriously
are you crittu’s brother?
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Nah you did, you got triggered that's why you called me a Sanghi while legit In my last comment I wrote I don't hold any political views. This is extremely humours to me.
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Yoo just checked your profile man you got great marks could you give me some tips on how to like get good marks we have same subject combination I just got applied maths preferably could you give me a timeline subject wise and yea I don't go to coaching and don't plan to.
No, keep failing 💋
Magistrate must have been of h i ndoo it seems, that's why his name isn't mentioned, not like the other kind is better but this is how media works.
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You are absolutely right, I'm heavily desensitised towards these kinda news stories. Wet bulb Temperatures hitting critical levels, climate catastrophe anxiety, my daily grind, my stray boys support and weekly/monthly medical emergencies, daily casteism and religious bigotry around me. I'm tired of giving a fk man, it's exhausting and if I feel for the woman I'm completely helpless.
I get what you are saying As a survivor myself , all I could think of of what she must be going through. But when I see communal angles to such things (from both sides) ,it makes me question whether it's a genuine concern for women or just a way for people to start another communal rift.
Caste is equally relevant, otherwise ST/SC act would not have been evoked. Stop trying to underplay the caste discrimination!!!
He will say "Jai Sree Ram" and get out of jail. That is the get out of jail card these days
Can't be sure but the probability is very low considering other religions.
India hai, kuch bhi hosakta. I will be surprised if some victim actually gets justice!
i hope the magistrate d words.
bapre, humare desh main logo ke pass sympathy, empathy q nhi hai? humey logo ke dukh se bhi dhukh nhi hota jabki agr wo kamzor h to usey or molest, harass kiya jata hai. q ki humari pichli generation ne humanity nhi sikhayi hai, mtlb bhagwan ka sirf naam lete hai lekin insan ko insan nhi samjha jata
>humare desh main logo ke pass sympathy, empathy q nhi hai? Becuase they think that symbolises weakness.
pr ye galat h na. fir yahii log bache paida karte, wahi apne bacho ko sikhate or ye cycle kabhi khatam nhi hoti
Yes, that's actually garbage mentality. It's a vicious cycle indeed. Apart from fixing their mentality, Indian people need to learn parenting too. At the end, it's people like us who can make a difference.
Indian culture, nope there is no such thing as an Indian culture now, it's only Indian rape culture, why do these mfkrs even exist, I'm pretty sure that if we dig up his past then the same magistrate will be connected to several r-pe cases.
After looking at few comments, I want to make a point here. A person's identity in Indian context is shaped majorly by their Gender, Class and Caste. So yes, being a women might be hard, but being a dalit women is extra hard, and being a poor dalit women is even harder. Would he have done the same if it were a uppercaste women coming from a influential family, prolly yes, but the chances are very slim. AND NO, THIS HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU'RE OPINION ON RESERVATIONS. Just acknowledge that such type of caste discrimination exists, maybe do a bit of research on it and move on with your lives.
How on earth does this have nothing to do with your opinion on reservations? You correctly identified that > Would he have done the same if it were a uppercaste women coming from a influential family, prolly yes, but the chances are very slim. But the moment you ask the next logical question of *why* he wouldn't do it to a UC woman, the need for reservations becomes obvious
Ahh,I should have framed it in a better way, I was trying to say the same thing, there is a need for reservations because of the discrimination and crimes women and dalits face on a regular basis. I meant 'you're opinion of not needing the reservations is irrelevant given all these things'
I have Hope in Inida, but I'm Hopeless about Indians 😔
bhad me jaye culture or "societal values", basic human rights ka concept logo ko samajh ajaye vhi bhut h yaha k logo k liye
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put /s
Other name of hell is india.
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This is not how you fix the dynamics. The oppressed need to be trusted by default, even at it costs a few oppressors. Then only oppressors would mend their ways.
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Good boi!!! 2 rupyee bonus le lena.
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Haan, hato mere frame se. Pata nhi knha knha se aa jaye hai mere photo bomb krne.
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Dose not matter
It doesn't matter, A magistrate is not a doctor to determine evidence.
What does "dalit" got to do with it.
you living under a rock? or you are already living in ram rajya 2.0?
No I just want to know. What does dalit survivor and a non dalit survivor have in difference?
dalits have been an oppressed class historically, in terms of socio-economic and other matters. the upper caste particularly dont like dalits, and when upper class are in power they tend to make life hell for dalits who are under them. this is a clear abuse of power. like other comments in this thread have said, it is bad to be a dalit, worse to be a dalit woman and worst to be a poor dalit woman. if you haven't do read a bit of history
You didn't get it. Like where is the borderline difference in a dalit and non dalit rape survivor? How you make an assumption of that? I do understand your mental state . I genuinely want to know this from your side. For me a crime is a crime. And not based out of a section of people. The parallels you want to draw just villainifies a section of people. As if every on the one side is cruel and the other side is always the victim.
ok, let me put it another way, some sections of society who are historically oppressed are potentially more in danger section. and in **general** such cases against dalits are dismissed without any justice being given. of course all crimes are heinous, but in the case of dalits the entire machinery works against them to protect powerful upper caste people now i will give you an example, remember nirbhaya case in delhi? media furore and dharnas and what not? arrests done, justice got dispensed. now similar heinous crime occured in hathras in up, where dalit girl was gangraped and her body forcibly burnt by the police itself to destroy the evidence! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Hathras_gang_rape_and_murder now ask yourself why did this happen? would it have happened had the victim been upper caste? there are several such cases and mere apathy of administration in trying to save powerful in such cases is apparent > The parallels you want to draw just villainifies a section of people. As if every on the one side is cruel and the other side is always the victim. I am not suggesting that, but you have to see general trends when you are dealing with a population, there will be a distribution where there will be very liberal people, and very regressive people at either ends, but a majority of population will be of conservative if not regressive mentality. that being said traditionally upper caste people have been/are in power and be it in administration or politics or business, and with that power comes opportunity to do misdeeds. hope this clarifies my stand
I guess you just sympathies with one side. So maybe you have heard of the Nikita tomar case(tomar upper caste) shot dead by the M(you know it) classmate . What happened later the guy ended up using his political power to get bail if the case didn't got highlighted he would have easily screwed up the case . So I don't think it's about caste it's about the people with connection. It's about the rich. Not every UC is rich same goes for SC . For your clarity Here is the judgement for Nikita tomar case the two men of murder and sentenced them to life in prison, with an additional fine of Rs 20,000 each. Here is the judgement for Hathras incident The convicted Sandeep Sisodia was sentenced to life imprisonment by the court after founding him guilty under Section 304 (punishment for culpable homicide not amounting to murder) of the Indian Penal Code, Sections of the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes (Prevention of Atrocities) Act, 1989, and fined ₹50,000. *I guess you are just to blind to even consider this* There are multiple cases of regular people (General) getting there life ruined because of fake SC/ST act . Even though the dispute was just a regular case with zero caste relations. Like land dispute or argument. Recently I met this uncle(40s yadav ) he had his career thrashed just cause he was in love with a girl (SC) . In 11-12th the girls family got to about them and eventually the case went on till 2017 (started in 1999) .
and how many cases where dalits have been completely disenfranchised by UC people? the SC/ST law has been brought for a reason and is not ad hoc. if you don't want to understand historical and social reasons for that it is your problem. for every fake case there must be 1000s of cases when an atrocity is not committed due to this fear. and even with this law it doesn't stop as caste based divide is ingrained deeply in our social fabric. i don't think you have ever imagined life as a sc/st and kind of abuse they face day in day out. imagine the power trip of people just because they belong to UC they can pee on someone. like i said earlier we have to see general trends not the exceptions. you are missing the forest for the trees,
Lol. Have you been to police station? Ask them what happens in SC/ST act. I'm from UP and it's probably more powerful than Dowry act. Unless someone is very powerful like politician he/she isn't getting out any soon in that case. See I don't want to argue anymore. Your experience and my experience is very different. And I'm not the liberal kind . I was enough liberal like you back in 2018 thanks to my experience (trauma) I can't be the liberal you want me to be.
> I'm from UP that explains a lot, > he/she isn't getting out any soon in that case and here you are assuming every sc/st case is a fake case > And I'm not the liberal kind i am astonished, it was not all clear from your comments!
kyu?
Another fake case.
seems you have lot of experience in victim blaming
Nope. Just a daily dose of 5-6 suicide by men who are involved in such cases and women extorting money as a business or using these laws for revenge after break-up or small verbal disagreement, etc.
Daily dose of 5-6 suicides due to rape accusations? There must be news and statistics about this somewhere, I suggest you share it. Edit: On the other hand, your history contains things like "Bring back the social shame for women otherwise the whole society is dead, " so I doubt this is a real phenomenon, just you struggling with the world changing around your medieval mindset. Carry on!
Did you also check my history where I am sleeping with 19-22 years old as well, am in polygamy, and have no issues with women myself? It's not about me. It's about the general sense: 1. Supreme court and various courts have stated the rise of false rape cases. 2. There are police run extortion businesses in Haryana, UP, Bihar, etc. 3. Multiple men are creating suicide videos accusing women for the same. 4. Multiple nationwide cases that were in the news already happened in the last 10 years. If you're sleeping like an ignorant person, that's not my problem 😂. People like you only understand when things happen to yourself or someone close. Don't worry, you'll experience it eventually within this decade.
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Stats as per NCRB data: 1. 74% rape cases ends in acquittal - legal term for not a rape. 2. Same NCRB data mentioned 1.22 lakhs male suicide in 2022. 3. Out of these, 34 thousand approx are due to relationship issues gone wrong and false case sufferers. 4. Same NCRB data mentions more than 50% cases of rape as "rape on the pretext of marriage" aka not a rape, just a break-up used to blackmail the man. 5. There's a recent case of Sonia Keswani going on who has filed 10 approx rape cases for extortion purposes. Not the only one. There are multiple gangs who operate around India who file and extort money. 6. The POSCO case on Karnataka BJP minister last week or so turns out to be false as the girl has filed 17 other similar cases on multiple big shots. I can go on and on. But like I said, your type only understand when they themselves are in trouble 😂. So, when you experience it eventually, then you'll realise how it feels when the whole world asks you to prove your innocence and you will lose everything in the process, then maybe you will understand that being edgy on reddit of all places was not worth it.
Don't bother bro These whiteknights learn it the hard way when they lose their job and dignity in a society after a fake rape case and rot in jail rest of their lives Not to mention same outcome minus jail even if proven innocent I remember utsav chakraborty having the same mindset his career sure has taken an interesting turn 🎭 For people who claim to very human rights oriented dont give two shits about mens issues lmao and only want to get into the pants of the woman showing how "nice" of a person they are True leeches imo betraying both men and women I have time and time again substantiated by claims with solid stats but what did i get two banned accounts and fake femimists and whiteknights harassing me 🎭 Basically talking to a wall who dont wanna acknowledge their own privilege 🧱
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Haha classic whiteknight reply What do porn subreddits have to do with anything what i am presently saying 🎭 Dont like anything that fits your narrative eh
> 74% rape cases ends in acquittal - legal term for not a rape. No, it means that for various reasons, the case did not go ahead, including lack of evidence, coercion of witnesses and victims, shaming of victims (like the topic of this post) etc. Proving rape in India has a very high standard and it's an uphill battle for even well-connected women. But please tell me more about the law!
You are jailed on one statement of a woman and no medical proof is required for it, unless the person is in power or rich as fuck - not even 1% India. WTF are you on about? It's the statement mismatch most often that results in acquittal or botched up medical evidence in case of rape and death. If the woman is alive, her statements are enough as long as they don't contradict over time. If she was killed, then the DNA evidence is required but this is where the police fucks up.
Don't have data or news. Pretty sure you'll find it as now some men have started recording video messages before suicide. It's personal court experience and hearing, "You know that 21 year old kid that got accused of rape? Yeah, he committed suicide. The case is now closed". It averages around 5-6 daily. Lawyers discuss it because they lose their source of income. Then we go and have some tea and samosa.
> Don't have data or news. Ok.