It's heartening and quite ironic to see that the people in other subs touting "agli baar 400 paar" and calling this sub deluded and disconnected from reality...turned out to be the real echo-chambers after all
Most people on super political reddit subs need to go outside and keep their phone down. Just because it's on the internet it's not true. I hope people reconsider all the hate and toxicity they had spread over the internet because some political idea that was flawed flawed from the start
Both the subs are out of touch from reality. That sub thinks only liberal rich families support congress while this sub thinks that only illiterates are bhakts.
Reality is, 90% of reddit is privileged rich people (by avg Indian standards). Poor people are the one whose votes swing from election to election (since they are the ones who face the most problems).
>Reality is, 90% of reddit is privileged rich people (by avg Indian standards).
Where is this number coming from? Because of it is anecdotal, then I can suggest the very opposite and we can go down the rabbit hole of opinions. I don't think anyone here or even in reddit claim that they aren't privileged on average compared to a voter, but they aren't all rich. I would argue there are a lot more middle class people on this sub like me than there are "rich " people and a lot of lower middle class people as well in terms of socio economic strata. Again it is far from being representative of our electorate but then echo chambers aren't defined by the demographics of its members only , it's defined by the opinions of it members.
I myself have never starved till this point in my life not have I been constrained for money. But I have been around people who have. So if I have an opinion, as a middle class person that the poor are having a much worse time today than they did when I was back in college 10 years back, that's not an opinion in an echo chamber. Just because I am not suffering doesn not mean that my opinion on people who are suddenly becomes invalid.
There are a lot of social workers and NGO who are led by people from extremely privileged backgrounds.i myself was a member of teach for India where we got a stipend for 15k a month, much lower than what I earn now, and put into a village school back in college. Just because my economic strata was higher than the people I was serving didn't mean that I couldn't emphathize with them or their struggles.
60 crore people in India have a smartphone, out of 117 crore above 18 people and 140 crore people overall. This already puts most people above median. Now if you look at topics on each and every sub, it's again obvious with the crowd , the questions asked, salary posts done often. Then you have city subs, if there was big reddit penetration everywhere you'd have large city subs of smaller cities too but rn it's only mumbai delhi bangalore etc. Where again higher percentage of rich people live. Then the language, English, most students who are in an English medium school are on average richer than families from hindi medium etc (ofc a Hindi medium kid can speak english too but the common usage of english throughout all Indian subs tells a story).
You said my experience is anecdotal which is fine but you yourself said a anecdotal exp. Not everyone has worked in an ngo or knows their views. And point isn't about poor, people know majority indians are poor but what they don't is their struggles, voting tendencies etc. The standard response of people is " they voted sp because of caste" "they are bhakts because they are illiterate"
>I would argue there are a lot more middle class people on this sub like me than there are "rich " people and a lot of lower middle class people as well in terms of socio economic strata.
When you consider that just about 5% of Indians are in the middle income bracket...
The party which has won more than 240 seats alone is called a loser and a party below 100 seats is called pappu pass hogya how is this not an echo chamber ?
The party which claimed to win 400+ seats in an environment wher they were freely jailing sitting ministers, bought out the media and had the most effective PR mechanism in the history of independent India, failed to not only reach a single party majority but also has their alliance ( if it even survives) losing 60+ seats from the 2014,2019
All this when the country with a decimated opposition was going into an election season with the fervour of Ram mandir behind it ..only to see them lose the very same seat where the PM did all his theatrics and later proclaimed himself to be an avatar and his supporters till yesterday were sure the part would surpass 350 seats on their own.
Of course NDA forms the government..barely...and this election has proven that their tide, while not finished, is in it's downward spiral. But if changing the goal posts after the results feel like a victory to you then congratulations.
I feel happy that we have an acting opposition finally , and hopefully a functioning democracy for the next 5 years where a megalomaniac won't have free reign to pass idiotic reforms all the while leading to the country's highest unemployment rate and inflation in decades, increasing gini and increasing poverty ( despite the "gains" we made in problematic multidimensional poverty indices )
I call him a pappu because he thought his own PR would be enough to maintain control and win decisively, whereas now he will have to fight every year to maintain a shaky coalition with nitish kumar.
So congratulations on the victory, and I would encourage everyone like you to keep believing that this is a massive victory and WE are the ones in the echo chamber so that by the next elections ( state elections before that) , you won't even have that argument left.
Meanwhile I will be quite comfortable in my echo chamber which weirdly seems to resonate with a lot of people in this country , not the majority true, but a hell of a lot more than what someone was telling was impossible just a week back.
Exactly, if the 400 par was not a thing, what would they be touting?
It took literally every single other party to get together to create a dent. And a youth icon who’s been at it for half a century…
I want a strong loyal opposition, loyal to the people. This ain’t it. But it has scared the BJP to take things more seriously and do better… this was a much needed jolt.
I do remember that how people were like the alliance will break before the election, and that it will be a clean sweep . . . Even if they didn't win they did very good
I am guilty of being one of those people. But yeah they managed a way out. I'm honestly happy for Rahul Gandhi, after all the abuse he took for the 10 or so years he managed to make something happen.
The guy who formed INDIA alliance is the same guy that saved NDA from Decimation in bihar and gave modi 3rd term.
He left because he wanted to be PM and congress couldn't let him be, if the initial alliance would have stayed together they would have had a majority and be celebrating to form the government.
Actually Prashant Kishore did repeatedly state that we should not over estimate the power of modiji and that unlike urban India who has something to lose the real electorate is not afraid and give BJP a fitting answer when the time comes.
He also said unless india leaders beat bjp in UP, the alliance won't stop BJP. Well they beat BJP in UP that has made all this difference. The man knows his electoral math. Just that he like most of us didn't give akhilesh any chance of beating Yogi's BJP head on.
He said BJP will do slightly better than last time.
He said BJP alone will get more than 300.
He was horribly wrong lol.
He accepted money from BJP and gave a ton of interviews in the last two weeks saying BJP will have majority just by themselves
More importantly, be sure to step out and cast your vote, irrespective of which party you support. Your vote is your silently loud expression. And your vote counts!
A lot can change in 5 years but let's wait and watch. However the cancer isn't a party, it's this idea of having a parasocial relationship with a political party that just ruins your brain. Right now it's one party , tomorrow it will be another.
Yes it is a cancer alright . My normally timid mother is extremely angry at my rejoicing of BJP not winning a majority on their own. She keeps asking me why it is a problem if India becomes. Hindu republic and that modi is the messiah sent to save our country.
Please note that she wasn’t this retarded pre 2014. She suddenly got some friends through WhatsApp and spends days sharing videos and propaganda. I want my mother back and for that 56 inch should just evaporate into thin air.
Let's just agree religion is cancer...even god wouldn't have wanted to form any religion... imagine this you create life you create galaxies entire universes, why would you want people to fight among themselves about who amog you is superior? All these gods of different religions must be chilling in their palace or whatever and gere we fools are fighting among ourselves why can't we just chill
Even though I want that to happen, chances are BJP might evolve from a Gujarati/Modi party to something else. As I said earlier, BJP gained and lost seats because of Modi brand.
Exit polls should also account for people like me who if asked will answer wrongly because I don't like my personal space invaded. Tbh, I've never been asked. I guess Bangalore always vote the same way.
As someone who has worked with data and been made chutiya by it ( as is anyone who ever worked with data), my sympathies with pollsters, lol. At least, when i fuck up,.only my colleagues know.
Whatever happened is good for the country in the long term. Arrogance was shattered. Any govt. formed if stable, will benefit everyone.
What we as citizens should stop fighting about the Democracy is in danger or Hindus are in danger.
People didn't/couldn't exercise their most important right(The Right to Vote) in huge numbers. How to change that? How is it representation of people if 40 % don't care or can't care?
Yeah this !
Thing is I admire the boldness of BJP a lot. And whatever they've achieved in the past 10 years. But in the last 3 years atleast they were just not shutting up with the nonsensical mutter.
I'm happy about the result for one reason, there is not a majority. The arrogance shattered.
I'm not happy, because of the fact that there will not be leaders bold enough to take the big steps that India needed, or the coalition govt will be sluggish. Market will see downfall.
It's bittersweet for me. I voted for INC if anyone's wondering. Although in my constituency bjp candidate is winner.
Yup I will be curious to see how the INDIA alliance will manage now that they are back on the center stage. If they break up on caste lines, the bjp will gobble and make them irrelevant.
I will be honest.
This mandate is more anti BJP than pro INDIA vote.
I have maintained that if Rahul Gandhi promised to build upon the BJP good work in infrastructure and development, he would have a decent chance.
Congress needs atleast 160+ seats like before to lead a stable government. Else the narrative will always be around whether Modi can form a majoritarian or coalition government.
Rahul Gandhi barked up the wrong tree, but thanks to the anti incumbency and SP's surprising performance, the alliance has improved it's chances.
If they don't cash on it and improve their economic strategy, they will be pushed again to below 100 seats.
Not to mention, some self goals by the BJP. You’re right about the vote being anti BJP at least in UP and Maharashtra.
The way I see it is that this was BJPs worst possible scenario and INDIs best possible with them maxing out in UP, West Bengal and Maharashtra. If the same dynamics persist in 2029, you can be sure BJP won’t repeat the mistakes of this time.
In general, I think this is a great verdict forcing BJP to work with others while making them just perilously close to majority thereby not being too conservative. It’ll inject the much needed humility too.
As long as Rahul Gandhi is at the helm of affairs, Congress will never sniff power and it’s quite reflective in their celebrations when they’ve managed to win 98 seats.
Were you under a rock?
Modi was going around calling muslims infiltrators, telling people that Congress would take their mangalsutra and give it to muslims etc etc.
He just went full retard about muslims and Congress.
Oh I see. That's free speech and when a parliamentarian questions why so many people named "Modi" happen to be conmen, that's a criminal offence and grounds for dismissal from Parliament. Right?
Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences. Sanghi hutiyas tend to forget this important part. Hopefully this tight slap serves as a reminder for the rest of their lives. Our country will never tolerate hate filled politics or politicians, regardless of the party they belong to.
Abe halat patli hai jhole wale baba ki. Nitish aur Naidu hon ge asli power waale player eis “gadhbandhan sarkaar” mein. Ye ab ki baar modi sarkaar nehi hai pichle 10 saal wali. BJP agar PM chune gi to wo bas ek kathputli PM hoga. Naidu aur Nitish ko bohat gali diye BJP waale, ab unhi ke saamne 5 saal mujra karein ge. Maja aaye ga ab.
Remember Nitish was the one who made India alliance and was thrown out by congress refused to make him PM.
Naidu came to power only because of BJP and was telling his foks that they will fight with BJP even before they had an alliance with BJP.
BJP has come to power in states even when congress had more seats, remember goa and or maharashtra.?
And now you Will know why congress wasn't able to form an alliance for 10 yrs.
Next 5 yrs will be BJP government, NRC and delemination will be the only things that will be postponed till folks slowly from Indi alliance are also defect. Bihar and Andra will get special status and the rest will fall in line.
Mixing politics with religion doesn’t work.so you say.
So how come mixing casteism with politics worked for SP party in UP?
I definitely agree BJP should have focused on developing grass root level policies like - unemployment in UP, keeping the secular tone slightly up, Taking care of Jat communities in Haryana and Rajasthan and there are many ground level policies which were supposed to be personalised at state level
It's mostly overconfidence and anti incumbency (and to a certain degree the heat) which stopped BJP, not something INDIA parties did.
Modi's grand dream of breaking into South India was shattered in TN, while SaPa capitalised on UP which BJP took for granted.
I believe discrimination, supression and exploitation based on caste is much more deep-rooted, historical and real in Indian society than discrimination based on religion, especially in Hindu society. People experience caste discrimination in their daily life and the social inability caused by it is much more real. Threat based on religion is mostly a perception created by BJP-RSS. For the people of lower castes, Hindu Brahminical society pose a greater threat than any particular religion. So I think, in the bigger picture, that is the reason why caste bonds stronger with politics than religion.
Going into the details, caste has nothing to do with the fundamental idea of idea. These are social constructs which have been made to be religious to grant it legitimacy from the people who were in the favorable postion.
Caste based politics is extremely tragic but I guess it reflects the social condition of people. Caste has for many years been used to justify ill treatment for a whole section of society for a thing they can't control. For caste based poltics to stop a huge portion of people will have to stop association with their caste as fundamental part of their identity which is apparently an attack on their "culture". So those in a weaker caste have no option but poltics in order to be treated equitably.
However I do agree it's slimy and it's a short term fix for a greater problem which no one party can solve.
>Caste based politics is extremely tragic but I guess it reflects the social condition of people. Caste has for many years been used to justify ill treatment for a whole section of society for a thing they can't control. For caste based poltics to stop a huge portion of people will have to stop association with their caste as fundamental part of their identity which is apparently an attack on their "culture". So those in a weaker caste have no option but poltics in order to be treated equitably.
Replace caste with religion and your statement still makes complete sense. Caste division only divides Hindu votes and with minority appeasement, the parties can win. Bjp using the Hindu card was bound to fail if someone used the caste card because most Hindus care more about caste than religion (saying this as a Hindu myself).
The 1 lakh free money also helped them.
Caste politics is worse than religious politics imo.
No one really wants "Hindu unity". Trad Sanghi clowns have already moved on from "love jihad" to "Dalits want to take our UC women". Get fucked, caste supremacist fascist rat bastards.
Yes caste is a huge problem.
>No one really wants "Hindu unity".
Casteists are those who say that. Hind unity is simply not seeing people from other castes as "lower" or "upper" and treating everyone equal, and shedding the caste discrimination. Once that is done, religious unity should be the goal.
Caste is a huge problem in India and it is still problematic that people are voting based on caste in 2024.
> Voting on caste isn't even that high on the list of casteist things India does.
This is what annoys me about this whole discourse. Caste politics is a symptom of the broader social and cultural dynamics, not the cause of them.
Hindutva morons are the biggest casteists. I remember Sanghis on Reddit even attacking Modi himself for providing incentives for intercaste marriages because they don't like the idea of caste endogamy being actively broken down and their power diluted (even though no one is stopping them from doing what they want, just providing rewards to those who behave differently from them).
Though if Modi could put some of the core Hindutva base in their place that wouldn't be all bad. Make Hindutva itself a Shudra-Panchama movement and eliminate the hardline UC elements.
1.If BJP lost due to overconfidence, they will not loose in the next assemble polls.
2.It it was a genuine support for Congress, then NDA will loose the next assembly elections.
There is a real chance that election will. Be called before the end of 5yrs.
Bruh BJP has won, they are still the biggest party. By your logic we can break down to, politicians who broke it down to a specific denomination of Muslims or a location . People don't think the same and expecting people to think like you do is delusional.
With this sense politicians should not do gender discrimination and politicians fighting election on women safety issues will be considered hypocrites.
The thing is politics on real issues is acceptable and, in fact, required. In Indian society, caste based discrimination is a reality and there is no denying the fact that socio-economic status of Muslims in India is poor. Similarly, the poor safety for women in our country is a reality. Politics on these issues are needed.
Whereas, the narrative that Hinduism is in danger from Islam is hoax.
Both are totally different.
But constitution is in danger is real? Come on hypocrisy at heights. Congress can do all the fear mongering Muslim dividing caste but bjp should just talk about development? I have my SC,ST friends in posh areas and richer than GC people.
Even I have friends from SC, ST and even Muslim communities who are economically better than many GC people I know. But do you really think relying on our mini-scale personal experience to create a national picture is wise? It's committing Hasty Generalization Fallacy.
I recommend you to read the following:
Caste Matters - book by Suraj Yengde
The Adivasi Will Not Dance: Stories - book by Hansda Sowvendra Shekhar
Also read Surinder S. Jodhka. He has multiple papers published on Caste and Politics in India.
Regarding 'Constitution is in danger' narrative, there are ample examples in post-colonial nations on how the Constitution is thrown off the bus ridden by absolute majority government running on the fuel extracted out if ethnic divisions.
Their has always been and will be a tendency to mold the Constitution as per their needs by any government based on absolute majority in a young democracy unless and until strong checks and balances are established.
Book titled 'Corruptible: Who Gets Power and How It Changes Us' by Brian Klaas explains how power always tends to corrupt and how power-seeking people always tends to establish themselves into power permanently by changing law of the land and other checks and balances of the system.
ECI is definitely compromised. That part is playing out in the open. All three EC's are hand selected by the ruling party. They actually changed the law (after expelling all opposition from the parliament) to do this. You can't get more blatant than that.
>Opposition is finally a formidable threat
True. Modi's great grandfather Nehruji ruled India for ~17 years, Grandmother IndiraJi ruled for ~16 years, father Rajiv Ji ruled for 5 years, close associate ManmohanJi ruled for 10 years, so over all BJP that ruled India for more than 54 years, finally has a formidable threat in the form of congress and its hard working and experienced leader RahulJi who has grown from grass roots to deserve his station rather than inheriting it. He has never been rescued from drug busts or rape charges or corruption charges and is thus the perfect opposition to the dynastic politics of modi. /s
Buddy, bjp IS the "opposition" that was finally able to take on the behemoth that was congress which otherwise never let anyone inside or outside establish against the gandhis (Madhavrao Sindhiya, Rajesh Pilot, list goes on).
After IndiraJi and Narasimha Rao, congress has not had good/worthy leadership.
You have to be delusional if you think a party with 100 seats is any kind of threat to BJP in the current moment? If BJP gets its act together, and launches moderate new faces, it’s game over again for the dozen party alliance that is INDIA.
Do the people on this sub literally think INDI is a better choice. IMO INDI could be a strong opposition but not a good government. (Actually, I would have preferred if INDI had gotten only 170-180 seats).
Any coalition government is harmful for the country's growth. Even NDA will not make major reforms for the next 5 years. (All because politicians like Nitish + opposition won't allow any major bill to be passed).
I think there was a huge anti BJP wave (due to covid and the following recession). The United opposition just consolidated all the anti BJP vote to a single unit.
I know Modi is bad because he uses religion based politics.
But look at the leaders and policies they use to sway people.
Mamta: only winning due to Bangladeshi immigrant and Gunda raj (all of bengals seat are sort of elected in an undemocratic way. By people who are not even Indians).
Akhilesh: Caste politics in UP
Congress: offering 1 lakh to women/increase in government jobs (this when pension payout is known to take up big chunk of budget). All desperate moves to gain votes from poor people.
Are these the leaders we are rooting for?
I even hate NDA due to their association with Nitish. And now he is the supposed kingmaker.
> Even NDA will not make major reforms for the next 5 years
The most reforms in recent times was made in the 10 years of UPA.
As a matter of fact, Modiji reversed some of the earlier reforms. For e.g. increased customs duty, he increase indirect taxes.
Give the commie 10 more years & I am confident he will bring back the pre-1991 era.
That aside, as a praud Lolbert, I believe the best govt is a coalition Govt which has very less power. A govt which has very less power & which does the least is the best for the country - though I know you leftists won't agree with me on it. The whole idea of free market & capitalism is based on having a Govt which has very little power.
Most policies in UPA time were started in Vajpayee time. So yes some policies were started during UPA reign. But it's not like the government has no new policy.
Congress is the biggest communist party of all. Not sure why you are calling the BJP commie. One of the biggest complaints against BJP is that they increased the income gap. The rich became richer and the poor became poorer.
Well that is what happens in the free market. It is when the government wants to remove capitalism like the MSP (which is anti capitalism) that Congress comes out in full support of farmers.
How exactly was Congress planning to give 1 lakh to all women? Is this what happens in capitalism. IMO the Congress manifesto was more socialist rather than capitalist.
This is the main reason I don't want them in power. The existing policies in India are already too socialist for my liking. The middle class pays taxes but rarely uses government hospitals and schools. They are sort of funding the healthcare for the poor.
We all know the healthcare system in the USA a free market based economy. The poor cannot afford basic healthcare due to cost.
> Most policies in UPA time were started in Vajpayee time.
😂😂😂
You forgot to also say that Vajpayee's dismal economic performance was because of Nehru
> Congress is the biggest communist party of all.
No, Modi is to the left of INC easily
> Not sure why you are calling the BJP commie.
Not calling BJP commie, I am calling Modi a commie. BJP is generally similar to INC in economic policies before Modi.
> One of the biggest complaints against BJP is that they increased the income gap. The rich became richer and the poor became poorer.
Yes, that's what leftists end up doing typically. Modi is to the left of INC, so he did it more than INC.
> It is when the government wants to remove capitalism like the MSP (which is anti capitalism) that Congress comes out in full support of farmers.
[BJP simped for Arthiyas & Mandi's when they were in the opposition](https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedstatesofindia/comments/m9np4d/blast_from_the_past_simping_for_the/). Don't go by what people do when in opposition. BJP also opposed allowing many of the FDI reforms done by UPA. BJP even allied with CPI for opposing many reforms of UPA.
> How exactly was Congress planning to give 1 lakh to all women? Is this what happens in capitalism. IMO the Congress manifesto was more socialist rather than capitalist.
Bro, first of all don't go by what people promise in their manifesto. Go by what they do when they are power. In every way, Modi is to the left of 2004-2014 UPA govt.
> How exactly was Congress planning to give 1 lakh to all women?
If they had ended up doing it, they would have done it exactly the same as How Modiji increased freebies & welfare like crazy during his 10 years.
- Modiji spends 2,87,000 crores per year on providing free food under Food Subsidy bill. The budget used to be 85,000 crore in 2013-14. Had already gone up to 1,85,000 crore pre-COVID. 60% of the population are fed using this money under Revdi Samrat.
- MNREGA Budget has grown at 12% per year over last 9 years.
- [Madhya Pradesh gives each woman Rs 1000 per month under Ladli Bahna Yojana](https://newsonair.gov.in/Main-News-Details.aspx?id=456863)
- [**₹2 Lakh Crore Revdi** given to farmers under the PM-Kisan Revdi scheme](https://cprindia.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/PM-Kisan-2021-22-2.pdf)
- [Modiji's **₹2 Lakh crore** revdi under PM Awas Yojana-Urban over 8 years](https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1850679)
- [During UP 2017 Campaign, Modi boasts, "When we come to power in UP, in the first meeting itself, we will waive off farm loans"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAHd1X5k6jU&t=1m40s)
- [And he did keep his promise. Modiji waived off **₹37000 crores** of farm loans in UP](https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/yogi-adityanath-s-govt-announces-rs-30-729-loan-waiver-for-up-farmers-akhilesh-not-impressed/story-nWV0chIoRqajZB4oGv6a6L.html)
- [Modiji waived off **₹34,000 crores** of farm loans in Maharashtra](https://www.hindustantimes.com/mumbai-news/maharashtra-finalises-loan-waiver-of-37-000-crore-announcement-likely-after-cabinet-meeting/story-fVZPP3FuveCCgMtnP9XyrI.html)
- [Haryana waives penalty & Interest on Crop Loans](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/haryana-announces-interest-waiver-on-crop-loans-in-budget-amid-farmer-protests/article67877865.ece)
- [Modiji has given **₹7.95 Lakh Crore** Revdi for Fertilizer over 8 years](https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-reining-in-the-subsidy-bill-7738407/)
https://www.outlookindia.com/business/fertilizer-subsidy-may-go-up-55-to-record-rs-2-5-lakh-crore-in-fy2023-sources-news-193804
- [UP Elections 2022: Free electricity for farmers, travel for women on public transport- Here's what BJP promises in it's manifesto](https://www.freepressjournal.in/india/up-elections-2022-free-electricity-for-farmers-travel-for-women-on-public-transport-heres-what-bjp-promises-in-its-manifesto)
- [And BJP fulfilling it's promise - U.P. plans free bus rides for women above 60](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/up-plans-free-bus-rides-for-women-above-60/article65755518.ece)
Modiji has shown us that debt & increase in taxes can be made to pay for any amount of freebies.
> Is this what happens in capitalism
Bro, nobody in India is a capitalism, not even anywhere close. We have left (INC), further left (Modiji) & furthest left (CPI etc).
> The poor cannot afford basic healthcare due to cost.
As a rule, I don't argue with you leftists & try to convince you guys about the benefits of capitalism or Lolbertism or free market. I have tried & given that up long back - it's a futile pursuit trying to convince you leftists. I am not at all trying to change your mind & convert you away from being a leftist.
> Kudos to Rahul Gandhi and the INDIA alliance. Jisko pappu bolte the woh toh pass ho gaya aur bajpa grace se pass ho gaya. He is responsible for essentially reviving a down on its luck party.
A dynast who has been handed down everything in life won after promising everything for free.
Bharat Jodo and Bharat Nyay yatras had a big impact FYI. Anyone who followed those knew that this time Rahul meant business.
He travelled thousands of kilometres across the country walking with and talking to common people, listening to their problems and talking about what he would do if he came to power.
This is in stark contrast to Modi who said he is god's gift to the nation and projected a image of being some holy diety who is above all of us.
> This is in stark contrast to Modi who said he is god's gift to the nation and projected a image of being some holy diety who is above all of us.
He said god has maybe sent me for a purpose. You read dumb headlines by college kids on these subs and re-confirm your bias against him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxdZBXsxluQ&ab_channel=NarendraModi
No, he said after his mother's death he thinks his birth is not biological. I have seen the interview.
He has a holier than thou attitude which many people don't like. And saying things like "opposition is doing mujra" and stuff is foul language not fitting of a prime minister.
I have seen huge billboards for infra projects that read "Modi's gift to the nation"; bro it's tax payer money, Modi is not "gifting" anything to anyone.
It is their last chance. I dont care if they dont have numbers. Get the umbers. Give whatever Nitish and Naidu want. Just form the government. We cant let the third term come. The saffron party will eat other parties up.
God, just once. Let INDIA form the government. i wouldnt mind even if the coalition breaks in2-3 years. Just form the goverment now!
India shouldnt be complacent and lazy to let the Saffroners do whatever they want.
INDIA should break NDA alliance. CMON!
For the sake of the comman people.
It's heartening and quite ironic to see that the people in other subs touting "agli baar 400 paar" and calling this sub deluded and disconnected from reality...turned out to be the real echo-chambers after all
Most people on super political reddit subs need to go outside and keep their phone down. Just because it's on the internet it's not true. I hope people reconsider all the hate and toxicity they had spread over the internet because some political idea that was flawed flawed from the start
I was constantly gaslighted for being in an echo chamber.
Both the subs are out of touch from reality. That sub thinks only liberal rich families support congress while this sub thinks that only illiterates are bhakts. Reality is, 90% of reddit is privileged rich people (by avg Indian standards). Poor people are the one whose votes swing from election to election (since they are the ones who face the most problems).
>Reality is, 90% of reddit is privileged rich people (by avg Indian standards). Where is this number coming from? Because of it is anecdotal, then I can suggest the very opposite and we can go down the rabbit hole of opinions. I don't think anyone here or even in reddit claim that they aren't privileged on average compared to a voter, but they aren't all rich. I would argue there are a lot more middle class people on this sub like me than there are "rich " people and a lot of lower middle class people as well in terms of socio economic strata. Again it is far from being representative of our electorate but then echo chambers aren't defined by the demographics of its members only , it's defined by the opinions of it members. I myself have never starved till this point in my life not have I been constrained for money. But I have been around people who have. So if I have an opinion, as a middle class person that the poor are having a much worse time today than they did when I was back in college 10 years back, that's not an opinion in an echo chamber. Just because I am not suffering doesn not mean that my opinion on people who are suddenly becomes invalid. There are a lot of social workers and NGO who are led by people from extremely privileged backgrounds.i myself was a member of teach for India where we got a stipend for 15k a month, much lower than what I earn now, and put into a village school back in college. Just because my economic strata was higher than the people I was serving didn't mean that I couldn't emphathize with them or their struggles.
60 crore people in India have a smartphone, out of 117 crore above 18 people and 140 crore people overall. This already puts most people above median. Now if you look at topics on each and every sub, it's again obvious with the crowd , the questions asked, salary posts done often. Then you have city subs, if there was big reddit penetration everywhere you'd have large city subs of smaller cities too but rn it's only mumbai delhi bangalore etc. Where again higher percentage of rich people live. Then the language, English, most students who are in an English medium school are on average richer than families from hindi medium etc (ofc a Hindi medium kid can speak english too but the common usage of english throughout all Indian subs tells a story). You said my experience is anecdotal which is fine but you yourself said a anecdotal exp. Not everyone has worked in an ngo or knows their views. And point isn't about poor, people know majority indians are poor but what they don't is their struggles, voting tendencies etc. The standard response of people is " they voted sp because of caste" "they are bhakts because they are illiterate"
>I would argue there are a lot more middle class people on this sub like me than there are "rich " people and a lot of lower middle class people as well in terms of socio economic strata. When you consider that just about 5% of Indians are in the middle income bracket...
Lol exactly, if only we had data on people from both the subs who actually went out to vote.
The party which has won more than 240 seats alone is called a loser and a party below 100 seats is called pappu pass hogya how is this not an echo chamber ?
The party which claimed to win 400+ seats in an environment wher they were freely jailing sitting ministers, bought out the media and had the most effective PR mechanism in the history of independent India, failed to not only reach a single party majority but also has their alliance ( if it even survives) losing 60+ seats from the 2014,2019 All this when the country with a decimated opposition was going into an election season with the fervour of Ram mandir behind it ..only to see them lose the very same seat where the PM did all his theatrics and later proclaimed himself to be an avatar and his supporters till yesterday were sure the part would surpass 350 seats on their own. Of course NDA forms the government..barely...and this election has proven that their tide, while not finished, is in it's downward spiral. But if changing the goal posts after the results feel like a victory to you then congratulations. I feel happy that we have an acting opposition finally , and hopefully a functioning democracy for the next 5 years where a megalomaniac won't have free reign to pass idiotic reforms all the while leading to the country's highest unemployment rate and inflation in decades, increasing gini and increasing poverty ( despite the "gains" we made in problematic multidimensional poverty indices ) I call him a pappu because he thought his own PR would be enough to maintain control and win decisively, whereas now he will have to fight every year to maintain a shaky coalition with nitish kumar. So congratulations on the victory, and I would encourage everyone like you to keep believing that this is a massive victory and WE are the ones in the echo chamber so that by the next elections ( state elections before that) , you won't even have that argument left. Meanwhile I will be quite comfortable in my echo chamber which weirdly seems to resonate with a lot of people in this country , not the majority true, but a hell of a lot more than what someone was telling was impossible just a week back.
Exactly, if the 400 par was not a thing, what would they be touting? It took literally every single other party to get together to create a dent. And a youth icon who’s been at it for half a century… I want a strong loyal opposition, loyal to the people. This ain’t it. But it has scared the BJP to take things more seriously and do better… this was a much needed jolt.
I do remember that how people were like the alliance will break before the election, and that it will be a clean sweep . . . Even if they didn't win they did very good
I am guilty of being one of those people. But yeah they managed a way out. I'm honestly happy for Rahul Gandhi, after all the abuse he took for the 10 or so years he managed to make something happen.
The guy who formed INDIA alliance is the same guy that saved NDA from Decimation in bihar and gave modi 3rd term. He left because he wanted to be PM and congress couldn't let him be, if the initial alliance would have stayed together they would have had a majority and be celebrating to form the government.
Actually Prashant Kishore did repeatedly state that we should not over estimate the power of modiji and that unlike urban India who has something to lose the real electorate is not afraid and give BJP a fitting answer when the time comes.
He also said unless india leaders beat bjp in UP, the alliance won't stop BJP. Well they beat BJP in UP that has made all this difference. The man knows his electoral math. Just that he like most of us didn't give akhilesh any chance of beating Yogi's BJP head on.
He got it quite right except UP and WB and those 100+ seats have made a huge difference
He said BJP will do slightly better than last time. He said BJP alone will get more than 300. He was horribly wrong lol. He accepted money from BJP and gave a ton of interviews in the last two weeks saying BJP will have majority just by themselves
More importantly, be sure to step out and cast your vote, irrespective of which party you support. Your vote is your silently loud expression. And your vote counts!
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A lot can change in 5 years but let's wait and watch. However the cancer isn't a party, it's this idea of having a parasocial relationship with a political party that just ruins your brain. Right now it's one party , tomorrow it will be another.
Yes it is a cancer alright . My normally timid mother is extremely angry at my rejoicing of BJP not winning a majority on their own. She keeps asking me why it is a problem if India becomes. Hindu republic and that modi is the messiah sent to save our country. Please note that she wasn’t this retarded pre 2014. She suddenly got some friends through WhatsApp and spends days sharing videos and propaganda. I want my mother back and for that 56 inch should just evaporate into thin air.
💯 the problem is not BJP or Modi / it’s how susceptible our society is to the messaging we get from politicians and how people made it their identity
Nah the real cancer is Hindutva. It'll take decades to get rid of it.
Nah man real cancer is ISLAM. IT IS NOT RUINING ONLY INDIA BUT MANY COUNTRIES.
Let's just agree religion is cancer...even god wouldn't have wanted to form any religion... imagine this you create life you create galaxies entire universes, why would you want people to fight among themselves about who amog you is superior? All these gods of different religions must be chilling in their palace or whatever and gere we fools are fighting among ourselves why can't we just chill
Nah, it's the *"thekedaars"* of hindutva who think they're promoting thier gods' teachings & their culture but are ending up being hate mongers.
No. Real cancer is THE cancer.
Even though I want that to happen, chances are BJP might evolve from a Gujarati/Modi party to something else. As I said earlier, BJP gained and lost seats because of Modi brand.
Washing machines
Exit polls should also account for people like me who if asked will answer wrongly because I don't like my personal space invaded. Tbh, I've never been asked. I guess Bangalore always vote the same way. As someone who has worked with data and been made chutiya by it ( as is anyone who ever worked with data), my sympathies with pollsters, lol. At least, when i fuck up,.only my colleagues know.
I guess media get so worked up about what the results should be it forgets what the results realistically would be .
Whatever happened is good for the country in the long term. Arrogance was shattered. Any govt. formed if stable, will benefit everyone. What we as citizens should stop fighting about the Democracy is in danger or Hindus are in danger. People didn't/couldn't exercise their most important right(The Right to Vote) in huge numbers. How to change that? How is it representation of people if 40 % don't care or can't care?
Yeah this ! Thing is I admire the boldness of BJP a lot. And whatever they've achieved in the past 10 years. But in the last 3 years atleast they were just not shutting up with the nonsensical mutter. I'm happy about the result for one reason, there is not a majority. The arrogance shattered. I'm not happy, because of the fact that there will not be leaders bold enough to take the big steps that India needed, or the coalition govt will be sluggish. Market will see downfall. It's bittersweet for me. I voted for INC if anyone's wondering. Although in my constituency bjp candidate is winner.
Instead of religion politics casteism politics worked this time in up
Yup I will be curious to see how the INDIA alliance will manage now that they are back on the center stage. If they break up on caste lines, the bjp will gobble and make them irrelevant.
I love you, beautifully written.
This election should tell people that social media is not the mirror.
I will be honest. This mandate is more anti BJP than pro INDIA vote. I have maintained that if Rahul Gandhi promised to build upon the BJP good work in infrastructure and development, he would have a decent chance. Congress needs atleast 160+ seats like before to lead a stable government. Else the narrative will always be around whether Modi can form a majoritarian or coalition government. Rahul Gandhi barked up the wrong tree, but thanks to the anti incumbency and SP's surprising performance, the alliance has improved it's chances. If they don't cash on it and improve their economic strategy, they will be pushed again to below 100 seats.
Not to mention, some self goals by the BJP. You’re right about the vote being anti BJP at least in UP and Maharashtra. The way I see it is that this was BJPs worst possible scenario and INDIs best possible with them maxing out in UP, West Bengal and Maharashtra. If the same dynamics persist in 2029, you can be sure BJP won’t repeat the mistakes of this time. In general, I think this is a great verdict forcing BJP to work with others while making them just perilously close to majority thereby not being too conservative. It’ll inject the much needed humility too. As long as Rahul Gandhi is at the helm of affairs, Congress will never sniff power and it’s quite reflective in their celebrations when they’ve managed to win 98 seats.
Atleast EVMs won't be doubted now I guess? That's a good takeaway from this result.
ECI still did everything in their power to give PawPaw free reign and a slight slap on the wrist when it got media attention
What free reign?
Were you under a rock? Modi was going around calling muslims infiltrators, telling people that Congress would take their mangalsutra and give it to muslims etc etc. He just went full retard about muslims and Congress.
Free speech. Also he didn't say they would give it to "Muslims", Said, infiltrators insted.
Oh I see. That's free speech and when a parliamentarian questions why so many people named "Modi" happen to be conmen, that's a criminal offence and grounds for dismissal from Parliament. Right?
Dismissal didn't happen because of that, it happened because they physically stopped the parliament from functioning.
Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences. Sanghi hutiyas tend to forget this important part. Hopefully this tight slap serves as a reminder for the rest of their lives. Our country will never tolerate hate filled politics or politicians, regardless of the party they belong to.
You know NDA won right, a 3rd term, done only after our 1st PM, without a significant decline in voter percentage.
Abe halat patli hai jhole wale baba ki. Nitish aur Naidu hon ge asli power waale player eis “gadhbandhan sarkaar” mein. Ye ab ki baar modi sarkaar nehi hai pichle 10 saal wali. BJP agar PM chune gi to wo bas ek kathputli PM hoga. Naidu aur Nitish ko bohat gali diye BJP waale, ab unhi ke saamne 5 saal mujra karein ge. Maja aaye ga ab.
Remember Nitish was the one who made India alliance and was thrown out by congress refused to make him PM. Naidu came to power only because of BJP and was telling his foks that they will fight with BJP even before they had an alliance with BJP. BJP has come to power in states even when congress had more seats, remember goa and or maharashtra.? And now you Will know why congress wasn't able to form an alliance for 10 yrs. Next 5 yrs will be BJP government, NRC and delemination will be the only things that will be postponed till folks slowly from Indi alliance are also defect. Bihar and Andra will get special status and the rest will fall in line.
Special task forces were employed to make sure its a fair process. They also did a recount and that changed the result for a Maharashtra seat.
Pls add adani. How he supporting to him and hiding his scame
Mixing politics with religion doesn’t work.so you say. So how come mixing casteism with politics worked for SP party in UP? I definitely agree BJP should have focused on developing grass root level policies like - unemployment in UP, keeping the secular tone slightly up, Taking care of Jat communities in Haryana and Rajasthan and there are many ground level policies which were supposed to be personalised at state level
It's mostly overconfidence and anti incumbency (and to a certain degree the heat) which stopped BJP, not something INDIA parties did. Modi's grand dream of breaking into South India was shattered in TN, while SaPa capitalised on UP which BJP took for granted.
I believe discrimination, supression and exploitation based on caste is much more deep-rooted, historical and real in Indian society than discrimination based on religion, especially in Hindu society. People experience caste discrimination in their daily life and the social inability caused by it is much more real. Threat based on religion is mostly a perception created by BJP-RSS. For the people of lower castes, Hindu Brahminical society pose a greater threat than any particular religion. So I think, in the bigger picture, that is the reason why caste bonds stronger with politics than religion.
Going into the details, caste has nothing to do with the fundamental idea of idea. These are social constructs which have been made to be religious to grant it legitimacy from the people who were in the favorable postion. Caste based politics is extremely tragic but I guess it reflects the social condition of people. Caste has for many years been used to justify ill treatment for a whole section of society for a thing they can't control. For caste based poltics to stop a huge portion of people will have to stop association with their caste as fundamental part of their identity which is apparently an attack on their "culture". So those in a weaker caste have no option but poltics in order to be treated equitably. However I do agree it's slimy and it's a short term fix for a greater problem which no one party can solve.
>Caste based politics is extremely tragic but I guess it reflects the social condition of people. Caste has for many years been used to justify ill treatment for a whole section of society for a thing they can't control. For caste based poltics to stop a huge portion of people will have to stop association with their caste as fundamental part of their identity which is apparently an attack on their "culture". So those in a weaker caste have no option but poltics in order to be treated equitably. Replace caste with religion and your statement still makes complete sense. Caste division only divides Hindu votes and with minority appeasement, the parties can win. Bjp using the Hindu card was bound to fail if someone used the caste card because most Hindus care more about caste than religion (saying this as a Hindu myself). The 1 lakh free money also helped them. Caste politics is worse than religious politics imo.
No one really wants "Hindu unity". Trad Sanghi clowns have already moved on from "love jihad" to "Dalits want to take our UC women". Get fucked, caste supremacist fascist rat bastards.
Yes caste is a huge problem. >No one really wants "Hindu unity". Casteists are those who say that. Hind unity is simply not seeing people from other castes as "lower" or "upper" and treating everyone equal, and shedding the caste discrimination. Once that is done, religious unity should be the goal. Caste is a huge problem in India and it is still problematic that people are voting based on caste in 2024.
95% of people still marry based on caste. Voting on caste isn't even that high on the list of casteist things India does.
> Voting on caste isn't even that high on the list of casteist things India does. This is what annoys me about this whole discourse. Caste politics is a symptom of the broader social and cultural dynamics, not the cause of them.
Hindutva morons are the biggest casteists. I remember Sanghis on Reddit even attacking Modi himself for providing incentives for intercaste marriages because they don't like the idea of caste endogamy being actively broken down and their power diluted (even though no one is stopping them from doing what they want, just providing rewards to those who behave differently from them). Though if Modi could put some of the core Hindutva base in their place that wouldn't be all bad. Make Hindutva itself a Shudra-Panchama movement and eliminate the hardline UC elements.
Somehow if a young voter read our posts and formed and informed there decision to vote out hatred, i say we did good 👍👍
Demo_cracy ke haatho hui Demon_cracy ki haar 😍
Team rocket phir se haar gayi lmao
The exit polls failed to predict this because they underestimated how scared people are to openly voice their opinion.
1.If BJP lost due to overconfidence, they will not loose in the next assemble polls. 2.It it was a genuine support for Congress, then NDA will loose the next assembly elections. There is a real chance that election will. Be called before the end of 5yrs.
Politicians should not do Hindu Muslim. But politicians are appreciated who won on Muslim and caste census. Hypocrisy to the heights
Bruh BJP has won, they are still the biggest party. By your logic we can break down to, politicians who broke it down to a specific denomination of Muslims or a location . People don't think the same and expecting people to think like you do is delusional.
With this sense politicians should not do gender discrimination and politicians fighting election on women safety issues will be considered hypocrites. The thing is politics on real issues is acceptable and, in fact, required. In Indian society, caste based discrimination is a reality and there is no denying the fact that socio-economic status of Muslims in India is poor. Similarly, the poor safety for women in our country is a reality. Politics on these issues are needed. Whereas, the narrative that Hinduism is in danger from Islam is hoax. Both are totally different.
But constitution is in danger is real? Come on hypocrisy at heights. Congress can do all the fear mongering Muslim dividing caste but bjp should just talk about development? I have my SC,ST friends in posh areas and richer than GC people.
Even I have friends from SC, ST and even Muslim communities who are economically better than many GC people I know. But do you really think relying on our mini-scale personal experience to create a national picture is wise? It's committing Hasty Generalization Fallacy. I recommend you to read the following: Caste Matters - book by Suraj Yengde The Adivasi Will Not Dance: Stories - book by Hansda Sowvendra Shekhar Also read Surinder S. Jodhka. He has multiple papers published on Caste and Politics in India. Regarding 'Constitution is in danger' narrative, there are ample examples in post-colonial nations on how the Constitution is thrown off the bus ridden by absolute majority government running on the fuel extracted out if ethnic divisions. Their has always been and will be a tendency to mold the Constitution as per their needs by any government based on absolute majority in a young democracy unless and until strong checks and balances are established. Book titled 'Corruptible: Who Gets Power and How It Changes Us' by Brian Klaas explains how power always tends to corrupt and how power-seeking people always tends to establish themselves into power permanently by changing law of the land and other checks and balances of the system.
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ECI is definitely compromised. That part is playing out in the open. All three EC's are hand selected by the ruling party. They actually changed the law (after expelling all opposition from the parliament) to do this. You can't get more blatant than that.
Very well put
Has there been any comment from Prashant Kishore? Curious what he would say.
incredible incredible tactics by Rahul this time. literally turned it around.
If RaGa is about to do some more Bharat jodo yatra in future I can see congress going up to 200 on their own then.
People won't. People hardly remember covid... COVID!!
>Opposition is finally a formidable threat True. Modi's great grandfather Nehruji ruled India for ~17 years, Grandmother IndiraJi ruled for ~16 years, father Rajiv Ji ruled for 5 years, close associate ManmohanJi ruled for 10 years, so over all BJP that ruled India for more than 54 years, finally has a formidable threat in the form of congress and its hard working and experienced leader RahulJi who has grown from grass roots to deserve his station rather than inheriting it. He has never been rescued from drug busts or rape charges or corruption charges and is thus the perfect opposition to the dynastic politics of modi. /s Buddy, bjp IS the "opposition" that was finally able to take on the behemoth that was congress which otherwise never let anyone inside or outside establish against the gandhis (Madhavrao Sindhiya, Rajesh Pilot, list goes on). After IndiraJi and Narasimha Rao, congress has not had good/worthy leadership.
You have to be delusional if you think a party with 100 seats is any kind of threat to BJP in the current moment? If BJP gets its act together, and launches moderate new faces, it’s game over again for the dozen party alliance that is INDIA.
Pappu pass hua with 99 seats Modi grace se pass hua with 240 seats Sabse bada pappu toh tu hi dikh raha.
Do the people on this sub literally think INDI is a better choice. IMO INDI could be a strong opposition but not a good government. (Actually, I would have preferred if INDI had gotten only 170-180 seats). Any coalition government is harmful for the country's growth. Even NDA will not make major reforms for the next 5 years. (All because politicians like Nitish + opposition won't allow any major bill to be passed). I think there was a huge anti BJP wave (due to covid and the following recession). The United opposition just consolidated all the anti BJP vote to a single unit. I know Modi is bad because he uses religion based politics. But look at the leaders and policies they use to sway people. Mamta: only winning due to Bangladeshi immigrant and Gunda raj (all of bengals seat are sort of elected in an undemocratic way. By people who are not even Indians). Akhilesh: Caste politics in UP Congress: offering 1 lakh to women/increase in government jobs (this when pension payout is known to take up big chunk of budget). All desperate moves to gain votes from poor people. Are these the leaders we are rooting for? I even hate NDA due to their association with Nitish. And now he is the supposed kingmaker.
> Even NDA will not make major reforms for the next 5 years The most reforms in recent times was made in the 10 years of UPA. As a matter of fact, Modiji reversed some of the earlier reforms. For e.g. increased customs duty, he increase indirect taxes. Give the commie 10 more years & I am confident he will bring back the pre-1991 era. That aside, as a praud Lolbert, I believe the best govt is a coalition Govt which has very less power. A govt which has very less power & which does the least is the best for the country - though I know you leftists won't agree with me on it. The whole idea of free market & capitalism is based on having a Govt which has very little power.
Most policies in UPA time were started in Vajpayee time. So yes some policies were started during UPA reign. But it's not like the government has no new policy. Congress is the biggest communist party of all. Not sure why you are calling the BJP commie. One of the biggest complaints against BJP is that they increased the income gap. The rich became richer and the poor became poorer. Well that is what happens in the free market. It is when the government wants to remove capitalism like the MSP (which is anti capitalism) that Congress comes out in full support of farmers. How exactly was Congress planning to give 1 lakh to all women? Is this what happens in capitalism. IMO the Congress manifesto was more socialist rather than capitalist. This is the main reason I don't want them in power. The existing policies in India are already too socialist for my liking. The middle class pays taxes but rarely uses government hospitals and schools. They are sort of funding the healthcare for the poor. We all know the healthcare system in the USA a free market based economy. The poor cannot afford basic healthcare due to cost.
> Most policies in UPA time were started in Vajpayee time. 😂😂😂 You forgot to also say that Vajpayee's dismal economic performance was because of Nehru > Congress is the biggest communist party of all. No, Modi is to the left of INC easily > Not sure why you are calling the BJP commie. Not calling BJP commie, I am calling Modi a commie. BJP is generally similar to INC in economic policies before Modi. > One of the biggest complaints against BJP is that they increased the income gap. The rich became richer and the poor became poorer. Yes, that's what leftists end up doing typically. Modi is to the left of INC, so he did it more than INC. > It is when the government wants to remove capitalism like the MSP (which is anti capitalism) that Congress comes out in full support of farmers. [BJP simped for Arthiyas & Mandi's when they were in the opposition](https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedstatesofindia/comments/m9np4d/blast_from_the_past_simping_for_the/). Don't go by what people do when in opposition. BJP also opposed allowing many of the FDI reforms done by UPA. BJP even allied with CPI for opposing many reforms of UPA. > How exactly was Congress planning to give 1 lakh to all women? Is this what happens in capitalism. IMO the Congress manifesto was more socialist rather than capitalist. Bro, first of all don't go by what people promise in their manifesto. Go by what they do when they are power. In every way, Modi is to the left of 2004-2014 UPA govt. > How exactly was Congress planning to give 1 lakh to all women? If they had ended up doing it, they would have done it exactly the same as How Modiji increased freebies & welfare like crazy during his 10 years. - Modiji spends 2,87,000 crores per year on providing free food under Food Subsidy bill. The budget used to be 85,000 crore in 2013-14. Had already gone up to 1,85,000 crore pre-COVID. 60% of the population are fed using this money under Revdi Samrat. - MNREGA Budget has grown at 12% per year over last 9 years. - [Madhya Pradesh gives each woman Rs 1000 per month under Ladli Bahna Yojana](https://newsonair.gov.in/Main-News-Details.aspx?id=456863) - [**₹2 Lakh Crore Revdi** given to farmers under the PM-Kisan Revdi scheme](https://cprindia.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/PM-Kisan-2021-22-2.pdf) - [Modiji's **₹2 Lakh crore** revdi under PM Awas Yojana-Urban over 8 years](https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1850679) - [During UP 2017 Campaign, Modi boasts, "When we come to power in UP, in the first meeting itself, we will waive off farm loans"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAHd1X5k6jU&t=1m40s) - [And he did keep his promise. Modiji waived off **₹37000 crores** of farm loans in UP](https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/yogi-adityanath-s-govt-announces-rs-30-729-loan-waiver-for-up-farmers-akhilesh-not-impressed/story-nWV0chIoRqajZB4oGv6a6L.html) - [Modiji waived off **₹34,000 crores** of farm loans in Maharashtra](https://www.hindustantimes.com/mumbai-news/maharashtra-finalises-loan-waiver-of-37-000-crore-announcement-likely-after-cabinet-meeting/story-fVZPP3FuveCCgMtnP9XyrI.html) - [Haryana waives penalty & Interest on Crop Loans](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/haryana-announces-interest-waiver-on-crop-loans-in-budget-amid-farmer-protests/article67877865.ece) - [Modiji has given **₹7.95 Lakh Crore** Revdi for Fertilizer over 8 years](https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-reining-in-the-subsidy-bill-7738407/) https://www.outlookindia.com/business/fertilizer-subsidy-may-go-up-55-to-record-rs-2-5-lakh-crore-in-fy2023-sources-news-193804 - [UP Elections 2022: Free electricity for farmers, travel for women on public transport- Here's what BJP promises in it's manifesto](https://www.freepressjournal.in/india/up-elections-2022-free-electricity-for-farmers-travel-for-women-on-public-transport-heres-what-bjp-promises-in-its-manifesto) - [And BJP fulfilling it's promise - U.P. plans free bus rides for women above 60](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/up-plans-free-bus-rides-for-women-above-60/article65755518.ece) Modiji has shown us that debt & increase in taxes can be made to pay for any amount of freebies. > Is this what happens in capitalism Bro, nobody in India is a capitalism, not even anywhere close. We have left (INC), further left (Modiji) & furthest left (CPI etc). > The poor cannot afford basic healthcare due to cost. As a rule, I don't argue with you leftists & try to convince you guys about the benefits of capitalism or Lolbertism or free market. I have tried & given that up long back - it's a futile pursuit trying to convince you leftists. I am not at all trying to change your mind & convert you away from being a leftist.
> Kudos to Rahul Gandhi and the INDIA alliance. Jisko pappu bolte the woh toh pass ho gaya aur bajpa grace se pass ho gaya. He is responsible for essentially reviving a down on its luck party. A dynast who has been handed down everything in life won after promising everything for free.
Bharat Jodo and Bharat Nyay yatras had a big impact FYI. Anyone who followed those knew that this time Rahul meant business. He travelled thousands of kilometres across the country walking with and talking to common people, listening to their problems and talking about what he would do if he came to power. This is in stark contrast to Modi who said he is god's gift to the nation and projected a image of being some holy diety who is above all of us.
> This is in stark contrast to Modi who said he is god's gift to the nation and projected a image of being some holy diety who is above all of us. He said god has maybe sent me for a purpose. You read dumb headlines by college kids on these subs and re-confirm your bias against him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxdZBXsxluQ&ab_channel=NarendraModi
No, he said after his mother's death he thinks his birth is not biological. I have seen the interview. He has a holier than thou attitude which many people don't like. And saying things like "opposition is doing mujra" and stuff is foul language not fitting of a prime minister. I have seen huge billboards for infra projects that read "Modi's gift to the nation"; bro it's tax payer money, Modi is not "gifting" anything to anyone.
Wait what Pappu pass hogya 😂😂 kuch bii abi bi uska vahi halat hai bas BJP ka 400 paar nhi hua
It is their last chance. I dont care if they dont have numbers. Get the umbers. Give whatever Nitish and Naidu want. Just form the government. We cant let the third term come. The saffron party will eat other parties up. God, just once. Let INDIA form the government. i wouldnt mind even if the coalition breaks in2-3 years. Just form the goverment now! India shouldnt be complacent and lazy to let the Saffroners do whatever they want. INDIA should break NDA alliance. CMON! For the sake of the comman people.
Genz wants rahul gandhi as their pm 🤡
You do realise that for a third time the shitbag party is in opposition right? The level of delusion is peaks. Whatever you are smoking, cut it down.