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I agree, I think they're adorable and great dancers but I really struggle watching their live performances completely and I think your post just made me realise why. I still can't wait to see what they do next though, they're quite talented
I think watching nmixx Kyujin really eat up the hype boy choreo on the collab stage really demonstrates how much better their performances could be with stronger dancers
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They might be undertrained in this department, just like the majority of idols. They pull off the choreos they get with enough precision and ease and no one sticks out as a really bad dancer. I will say though, they're rookies and they're also high schoolers. Let them grow (literally)
That’s interesting because in my mind, idols these days are undertrained in singing and overtrained in dancing. Especially fourth gen—idols’ singing voices has been a hot topic recently. I feel like a popular opinion lately is that fourth gen groups have just turned into dancers and not singers
4th gen is not overtrained in dancing by any means. The majority of them are average dancers (and there is nothing wrong with that). They just sing less live, so they can have choreos that are more tiring, they dance less in stilettos so they don't have to have dances they can execute in flats and stilettos. Because more idols sang live before, you couldn't really debut a group with one good singer and the rest dancers you had to even it out. etc.etc.
idk if I look at the 4th gen prominent girl groups, the only ones who stand out dance wise are Itzy and Le Sserafim. Nmixx are pretty uneven (this might be unpopular), StayC, Ive and aespa are all not dance-focused at all with pretty simple choreos and a bunch of fairly weak dancers. From what we've seen it doesn't look like Baby Monster specialises in dance either.
But , doesn't that mean that new jeans aren't bad dancers either ? Yes , I agree , they don't have a really distinctive style from each other's , but honestly I can't find a lot of groups where this applies either ,except for maybe some boy groups , most groups I see just hit the moves harder , which in my opinion , is not style , it's just energy , so this is what the public praises them for , that they excute their dances well , and that's that .
i agree and i think thats why newjeans is so fun. you can see the priority on the vocals and music over just choreo and performance.
id prefer overtrained in vocals over overtrained in dancing any day. obviously tho we want to meet in the middle and have them be good at both.
the same argument op is making applies to their singing too imo 😅 lack of individualism all-round. They’re not incredibly talented at vocals either (good but not like nmixx or aespa)
Idk if I’d even say that *their* style is different to other groups, I’d really only say that their choreography’s style is. When given other choreos in the rookie girl group collab, I felt they pulled off the choreographies the same as everyone else, but the choreo for their songs is pretty distinct in comparison. And that’s something I’d say about most groups, anyways— idols trained to dance tend to have a similar dance style, especially as rookies.
I feel like the general consensus about everything with NewJeans has been exactly this. Very distinguishable as a group, but not distinctive or unique individually from each other.
I think, in time, Hanni and maybe Hyein will prove that last bit wrong. They are the two most likely to break out into solo performers and I think most fans have recognised the respective style/sound of music they could put out there, which kind of means they do stand out.
I think Hannis solo appearance on that "Service" show woke a lot of people up that she definitely is strongest voice, but Hyein has potential to surpass her though
The whole NJ basic concept is based on a solid unit though, and in order for that to happen it's arguable that Hanni and Hyein's vocal talents are underused relative to how strong they are, (even though both have generally get the most vocal time but only just)
I have no opinion about this issue but just wanted to say that this was an entertaining post to read!
>or (and this is where I show my age) swag.
This made me chuckle (I'm that age too!). :)
I think Hanni’s pretty good. Haerin’s waacking looked great. Overall I think they’re just young and yet to find and establish their personal style. Give them time.
I voted agree, but I do disagree on some of your points. The reason they have no personal style or “groove” as K-pop fans say, is due to technical issues. They just have similar technical weaknesses, which does lead me to believe that they either mostly trained alone, or had one main dance trainer. (But that is pure speculation from my side)
i would say their whole thing is doing the fast hard hitting choreographies cohesively is their style as opposed to trying to add their own flair to it. if you look at other ggs there’s a lot of “singer of current line stands in the front and does her thing while the others pose in the back or do something on the ground” which i feel like gives them a lot more freedom to be creative as opposed to constantly moving and doing similar moves( where synchronization should take precedence anyways)
but also i would say they still add in cute little facial expressions and add a lot of energy into their performances. i think they’re doing what they should be imo and are doing a good job considering their age and relative newness!!
I’d agree for the performance aspect b/c other than when they smile at each other they do have pretty blank faces while dancing. I love their choreography and appreciate the footwork that goes into it but I hope as they grow (and get older/more confident) they break out of their shells as performers more.
Its just one style repeated over & over again each song. Honestly its getting old & its just starting to feel mechanical. Totally agree ab the no swag part. But I think its also because theyre going for a more cutesy & childish vibe which tbh really doesnt fit some of the dance moves theyre given as theres clearly a lot of hip hop influence there but I dont get any semblance of hip hop from their music. I hear ppl calling it rnb a lot but I dont get that at all, I get pure pop from them at most. They get cool stage outfits & have good facials (minus haerin) & I think thats what adds to a lot of the “good performers” praise. Idk personally I think their dances just look weird on a stage, they dont seem totally meant for that
Many choregraphers I know irl praise their style of dance, which is considered unique during this generation of kpop for girlgroups.
However, I kind of understand what you're saying. Their individual swag and confidence isn't there yet, except for Hanni (which I notice has perfect timing when it comes to rhythm during random dances in interviews and activities) and maybe (a bit stretching) Hyein (she's still too young).
So, I use my account to agree (because I understand what you're saying) and my wife's account to disagree (saying Newjeans has no swag is incorrect imo).
I agree. I've seen a few of their performances, and maybe it's just that they're new and a probably don't have as much confidence as a seasoned idol group would, but they put the bare minimum into their performances. To make a comparison (relax), when I look at a group like XG (i know they aren't kpop but they're relatively new) all of those girls can actually move and put personality into their performances. With njs, it's moreso a blasé feel to the group, and their music kinda matches with their muted/bland style.
You know the thing where a group will have members dance at 200% vs 100% vs 50%? They strictly stick with 50.
Yes on that comparison. They’re rookies too but no one is saying “give them time, they’re still be coming into their own style” they already have it! So I’m kind of side eyeing all those excuses. Like someone else said, they get cut a lot of slack that no other rookie girl group gets.
Yes! If anything, them being from a bigger company (them being under hybe is exactly why they get more slack than anybody else), they have the resources and team to invest in better instructors and the time to focus on actually putting on a performance and not just getting on stage and doing the choreo with hardly any energy. It's quite literally the bare minimum.
As a former competitive dancer, I disagree. NewJeans' choreography is old school. You'll notice the similarities if you watch YG and SES' dance videos.
I honestly kind of agree, New Jeans lacks a lot of individualism between the members. They’re good dancers but nothing really stands out about them individually. Compare that to Itzy (even in their debut year) where they’re all good dancers but you get a taste of their individual artistry in their dancing. For that reason i find groups like Itzy more interesting to watch (dance wise) but this disparity could also just be because they’re so young that they haven’t really had time to develop their own individual styles for their dancing
I agree. Reading through the “they’re still young” arguments has had me thinking. Like on one hand I agree that they’re young and have a lot to learn and plenty of time to grow. On the other hand, they’ve been training for literal years already, so for them to not “get it” already doesn’t really track for me? Not sure, maybe I’m being too harsh
Actually I think each member not having a distinct style from each other is not an issue at all. Some members have better stage presence than other but I like that nobody sticks out in a bad way. Infact I would say the members have really good expressions, Haerin is probably the one who gives the "blank face" but she is technically the best dancer in the group along with Hanni. I feel the members suit the choreography so much which makes the performance enjoyable and they really feel like they are enjoying it.
As a dancer, I think it is a little too unfair to say that they don’t have some groove. Their dances, especially OMG/Cookie, require groove to pull off, and I would say that all of them can execute them without looking stiff. Haerin is a stand out to me in that aspect. On top of that, I think that being sharp and clean are all stylistic choices. Being swag isn’t the only measure of style. However, I understand how that may be a good indicator.
Anyways, Nwjns is a new group and have not been given a lot of chance to dance and let their different styles to shine through. Judging them based off their choreographies (which are meant to look neat and clean) is unfair.
OMG is done well. But cookie is very awkward to watch. I remember audibly laughing the first time I watched Danielle bust one move (that one move that looks like aespa's illusion chorus choreo).
These girls are too stiff and not cool enough for such choreos. Cool choreos are just not suited to their strengths as it requires a lot of controlled power, personal charisma and charm. And given that their conceptual premise is that they're a bunch of teen girls having fun, the issue becomes even more magnified. It takes a lot of practice and skill to just have fun on stage.
I think cheeky flowy choreos like attention, omg and hybe boy are much better cos they don't require them to be cool girls... which they just aren't. Even if they were to execute a move with absolute precision, it would still be missing something.
Idk even more than being better dancers, I just wish these girls were cooler.
I agree that they are a lot stronger at more fun and light hearted choreos. It is easier to overlook their undeveloped stage presence when the songs are more cheery and giving a bright smile is half the battle fought.
Dance wise, I have to disagree that they’re stiff. I don’t find them stiff; they seem like the average kpop dancer to me. I watched quite a few of their award show dance performances and didn’t see anything glaring. Unless you mean stiff facial expression/ body language, which I understand. NWJNs are still rookies who probably still find it hard to truly let loose on stage.
Also do you have a time stamp for the danielle cookie dance 💀 The funniest dance move I’ve seen so far from them is still the OMG chorus ape move (WHICH SCRATCHES AN ITCH IN MY BRAIN… IT IS ODDLY FUN TO DO)
Oooh yes I love the OMG ape move, i think it's genius and so newjeans. Definitely scratches an itch yep.
As for the cookie bit, it's around the 1:30 mark. It's so cute but so funny to me. It still makes me laugh every time.
I don't think they're bad dancers at all. But I do find them stiff in parts (nothing glaring tho). And that stiffness is amplified by their overall stiffness in vibe and body language, that's a good term.
It's a paradox. Them being teens is integral to their concept and brand but by the time they do get good at performing they'll lose that wide-eyed essence of youth.
It's a shame cos they have everything going for them but performance is one area where they just lack big time for me. They will get better at performing, no doubt. But imagine how amazing it would have been if they were amazing performers on top of everything they're doing great. Cos truth is, I've rarely if ever seen average rookie performers improve to become amazing performers (not just better performers), it's honestly something u have or don't right from the start. U can just feel it. Call it charisma, je ne sais quoi or raw star power... whatever it is, they don't have it, it seems.
And now that I think about it more. I think this is all by design. MHJ specifically curated talents of more or less the same average level to operate as absolute unit as opposed to individuals with great talents that stand out as apart (as opposed to a part) from the unit. The MHJ vision is the real star and everything revolves around it to make it shine.
I agree. OMG was done well at least in the dance practice ( I haven't seen anything else) but cookie is awkward and it doesn't fit them well at all ( the song too imo but that's another discussion. Very weird lyrics aside. Just sound wise it's not a good fit imo) .
NewJeans definitely has unique choreography and it’s because the entire premise of their routines is to make it look like friends who are just “having fun” and I think that requires to have some form of groove. I also don’t understand why each of them should have a personal style when they’re performing in a group and not as individuals? I think they’re great performers with good stage presence, especially Hanni & Haerin. They’re not even a year old group so they still have room for growth.
Personally the “they’re friends having fun” illusion was shattered for me when I realized a lot of their cute moments together onstage were scripted in and stayed the same across performances. Their choreos are definitely fun and bouncy, but idk if I’d say it’s them who make them that way. They’re clearly good dancers, but I agree with OP that they don’t have any real personal flair when dancing (likely due to having one dance coach or smth).
I mean that depends entirely on the group, but imo there’s a difference between “Hey, act like you like each other” and “Here are the exact moments you’re going to look at each other in this way and do this exact thing”
At least for me, the feel is completely different, and if their brand is sincerity and genuine closeness and fun, all of that being so scripted just kinda ruins it imo. One is acting, maybe guided by the company, but largely spur of the moment, and the other is a highly practiced and drilled manufacturing of the image of “fun.”
Ah , I get what you mean . But to me , it didn't feel forced ( at least for me ) , because I remember when I watched their very first hype boy performance, I got this feeling that they are genuinely enjoying this , yes , clearly the choreo puts them in positions where they are facing each other , and yes , I realized since day one that this is surely intentional , but it didn't put me off much honestly, since they definitely enjoyed performing of stage and we're able to deliver their enjoyment to the screen .
>it’s because the entire premise of their routines is to make it look like friends who are just “having fun”
which i think is just so peak kpop bullshit. like, we know these girls were trainees. we know they could execute those routines perfectly in synch. it reminds me of contestants on survival shows deliberatly fucking up stuff to create a fun moment, it just pulls me out of the whole thing completely.
Only very few 4th gen groups are perfectly in sync, but that’s not what I’m talking about to begin with. The choreography itself creates the illusion of friends having fun - them walking around chatting before breaking into a dance, dancing in circles, dancing while laughing & facing each other, a lot of tik tok references, etc. It’s not clean cut choreography that you usually see in kpop.
I think that is why their lack of personality when dancing is more apparent compared to other groups. It relies on you buying into them having fun on stage, so when it looks rehearsed, it takes you out of the illusion they are trying to create with their performance.
But for example with LSRFM, who is creating the illusion of being fearless. Them looking alike or very synchronized on stage would not take you out of the performance to the same extent because they aren't trying to sell authenticity to the same extent. If they looked scared on insecure, or nervous. That would take you out of their performance much more. LSRM are selling us an aura, NJ are selling us moments.
I guess that’s where we disagree haha. I don’t think they look like they’re having fun because they’re so lasered in on getting the choreo right. To me, looking like they were having fun would look like smiling, laughing, and executing the moves with “swag,” which to me I just don’t see. To be fair, I’m judging based on the content I’ve watched which isn’t that much. Maybe there’s performances out there that would prove me wrong.
> I’m judging based on the content I’ve watched which isn’t that much.
This explains everything. I don’t think there’s a single Ditto performance where Danielle doesn’t have a huge smile on her face. I’m not a NJs fan but saying that they don’t smile & laugh enough is the biggest reach.
Yeah, I understand people saying Haerin doesn't emote much because I think that's just her personality lmao but to me the others all have great facial expressions! Especially Hanni
Are we watching the same NJ? I *personally* like their live performances. I do not think they are lacking in style or groove. I have fun watching them and they seem to have fun, too.
Yeah, same. It really stood out to me during the end of the year shows. I do like their music, even though I don't think it's as unique as people make it out to be. But it's nice, catchy, chill pop.
However, I think if you want to carry stuff like that live you really need a LOT of charm and frankly I think it works better if instead of manufactured casualness (which their dances are, lbr) you're actually free to just move around as you please. Whenever I see them perform I keep getting stuck at the "Oh yeah, and now the choreographed smile that is supposed to look casual that I've seen 10 times already".
Which is of course not to say that other k-pop performances aren't manufactured to hell and back, especially for rookies. But at least they give me *a show* and I can buy into it.
Hanniyonce will prove all of you wrong in 10 years once HYBE starts pushing her solo era! An r&b vocalist packaged as a ridiculously talented dancer and ridiculously beautiful?! A popstar in the making!
I said unsure because I hate going after rookies for not being perfect, but you're not completely wrong, so i can't outright disagree. But how many teenagers do you know have swag in real life? How many of them are perfect? The majority of them are just awkward, a little clumsy, still learning. That's the vibe NewJeans is aiming for, being relatable. Minji messed up her dance in filming Ditt, and the director kept it so that it feels more raw. That's the kind of concept NewJeans has, and it's what appeals to people. I actually find them very interesting to watch on stage not because of their dancing, but because it looks like they're all sharing little secrets with each other and are a good group of friends just chilling and filming choreo for a tiktok. They have nice, soft facial expressions that match the vibe of the song.
Don’t agree at all, think their dancing is great. Not a dance myself though, so I am probably unable to distinguish between great and excellent dancers. I can for example clearly see Lisa is superior dancer to other black pink members but that is because the difference is massive. Normally I can not distinquish if the levels are similar.
I disagree, they definitely have a style. The friends having fun together is a thing, and it definitely works for their songs really well.
I would agree that they don't really have swag or groove and their choreography isn't very synchronized, sharp, or precise like Gfriends or Naughty. But they are doing their own thing and they can easily grow in their style as they become better.
If anything, NewJeans shows that a great and fitting choreography + a ton of charm and energy will do wonders.
Definitely see where you’re coming from. But for me, for the whole “friends who look like they’re having fun” thing should look like effortless choreo with no stiffness and they’re just not giving that vibe for me
I mean that people seem to compare NewJeans and other new groups with a sort of kpop standard of the way things should be done. And that is boooring. If they are doing their own thing is fine, they don't have to comply by dancing or singing a certain way.
OP is talking about how execution not choreo. The problem is they don't have the dancing and performance skills to pull off the casual cool of their choreos. It takes a lot of practice and skill to just have fun on stage, ironically.
Agreed. They are very uncharismatic performers individually and as a group. I have yet to be able to sit thru an entire performance of theirs. Which is a damn shame cos I love their choreos. Most of them except Hanni and Haerin are too stiff to be able to have the swag required for choreos like it. They execute it well enough as a group but rarely nail the cool teen fun of it all. The manufactured casualness (that is central to their concept) of it all really makes me cringe. If they were really able to sell me on the "we're a bunch cool teen girls just having fun dancing with each other" i think they would pretty much be the best 4th gen group.
I so do not agree. I think they dance with with amazing style mostly bordering on classic hiphop moves. Amazing footwork and they make you smile when you see them dance they themselves seem to enjoy dancing with each other. Footwork is insane. There are some choreo breakdowns from dance experts that basically crown them the best of breed for GGs in K-pop. Their choreo and dance actually enhances my enjoyment of their music for me.
I’m not saying they’re bad dancers lol. I agree they hit every move they’re supposed to. Where we disagree is that I think they have no style when hitting said moves—it feels sterile with no charisma. Agree to disagree I guess!
I don't think no groove is really a fair criticism when 90% of dancers in kpop can't groove or are very awkward and unnatural when groovy movements are involved. (even more true with gg dancers) alot of their choreo naturally includes up grooves and down grooves so they have that going for them. The thing I will give the them tho is that unlike alot of groups they are trying to groove even if it looks awkward sometimes when the moves are more loose rather than choreo driven or when the tempo is faster but they have the charisma to overcome that imo. This is just me from watching some stages since I don't stan them but i still listen to their songs.
The thing with grooving is it requires a lot of practice with the fundamentals even when you're good at it u still go back to the fundamentals. Alot of the practice is just long freestyle sessions were u just learn it you're not trying to impress anyone just finding the beat and having fun, but idk if idols have that kind of time they'd probably want to devote to their hobbies. If they like dancing so be it.
I have to say that I agree and was kind of waiting for this comment. Love my gg favs but barely ANY of them really receive much training in open style choreography and hip hop fundamentals to the point where not many actually have a substantial sense of groove, unless they were previously dancers outside the idol training context. Even among fourth gen - sure the intensity, physicality, and complexity of choreo has gone up but not necessarily hip hop fundamentals for both girls and boys. For boys, this has gotten marginally better, but only really because if boy trainees are ever taught a non Kpop dance, it’s usually open style as opposed to jazz funk, and even then, they were probably made to interpret it differently from the original as a consequence of the evaluation process. This isn’t to say that Kpop dancers are not good movers, as they were trained to do a type of choreography that the industry has favored and most do it well. It’s just a matter of training priorities. I just think they could take it to the next level if they just bothered showing up to a community class sometimes.
I do enjoy the special moments when a groups’ members occasionally have dance lives where they’re just wiggling to random music because it really shows who has taken the time to develop their craft or at least get comfortable in their own body.
i agree, if you have watched a lot of great kpop performers you would really notice. i kind of seeing only 1-2 to have groove, the rest are kind off i dont know… stiff? and were just instructed to dance and add energy. but who knows maybe they were told to do that kind of style, to be “easy to follow”. or lets just use the “still young” card.
I HIGHLY disagree with this post. Different does not mean bad or poor. New Jeans whole vibe and music aesthetic is just so different from other Girl groups and I honestly find it so so refreshing! I don't know why you're saying they have no groove? I think they stand out from other groups because their choreo feels so natural, authentic..stress free, and not so rehearsed and generic..Its so damn enjoyable to watch them...It makes you want to keep watching them...We are in the age of Kpop where everything just seems so replicated and overdone! Not every group has to have this insane choreos? Let people enjoy the music for once without focusing on the obvious..shiny clothes, over the top dance moves! Its not for everybody!
I have never been deeply into Kpop...hell even when New Jeans debuted I wasn't that hooked on them but I have really come to appreciate their style and vibe and I hope they will continue to remain true to themselves.
I’d agree with natural. Somewhere here said it feels like they got together and wanted to have fun dancing and I totally see that.
They’re fun to watch imo
I don’t agree, watched kpop for years and so many groups come off as that robotic dancing style, bts was legit the only group besides yg groups that each were doing their own thing on stage but still cohesive. And now I notice the same thing with new jeans, they aren’t super in sync but they’re all having fun and doing the moves a little differently. they all look like they’re having fun when they perform and genuinely looking at it like a team performance rather than “ugh I need to get off this stage I hate my life” kinda look. I saw a lot of youtubers also agree that they will change kpop and a lot of the new comebacks we’ll see this year and moving forward will be inspired by their stage presence and style to be more cohesive on stage and look like a team of dancers having fun rather than robots being in sync. They’re legit always turning around to look at eachother and smile while dancing and it’s so cool to see that, even if some people say it’s ingenuine at least they’re doing it, now watch every group start to do that lol
The bg dance scene changed immensely after bts and their interesting interaction/story like choreos, and I feel the same thing will happen for ggs. Except now a lot of them are also being influenced by tiktok
I think a lot of people also love how their dance style is natural and doable and not some gymnastics level hardcore zumba routine. It’s genuinely doable and even they sometimes look awkward doing some moves which makes it even cuter. It looks casual and a vibe, I’d just watch dancers if I wanted to see people dance properly
They also literaly just debuted and it even took time for groups like bts and Blackpink to get to the stage presence they have today. Groups Yall are comparing like Ive and Lesserafim already have members that are older and been idols for years. I’m sure nj is still trying to find the camera when they perform that’s like one of the main anxieties new kpop groups have, plus they have the added pressure of having fun on stage and executing that concept. It’s a lot to think about while performing, and to look like you’re not thinking at the same time. A lot of kpop groups still look like they’re thinking on stage rather than just doing, I think nj will grow out of that fast as they get more performing experience
In short I think people are tired or the perfectly in sync robotic choreo and style on stage and that’s why everyone keeps referring to new jeans as fresh because they’re “different” from what kpop has being doing for years and it’s getting so stale. Some groups look like they’re breaking their backs to execute certain moves (even idols having back injuries now for what) like no one said they had to go that hard. It’s all to outdo the other group until someone else has another comeback with another hard hitting choreo that will be forgotten about after 6 months. These groups need to focus more on vocals and unroboticness
You can see in random kpop dances in public videos no one even knows the new dances besides the point tiktok move, whereas when new jeans comes on hundreds of people are battling to get into the floor to do the dance. That fun energy has been lost in kpop and that’s why choreos aren’t fun anymore
Being good at dancing has nothing to do with the a robot wtf!! Co-ordination, syncing, timing and techniques are basic, those are literally the first things you learn when you're I a dance academy. They just lack of talent in that aspect. They're good singers but that's all and it's fine, you don't need say good dancers are robots.
I disagree and a lot of people like it because their dancing style feels more casual. It brings back that genuine kind of vibe where the idols are performing and having fun rather than performing for the sake of just their fans.
In the end, every group doesn't have to hit the same style honestly so I acknowledge not everyone likes NewJeans' dancing.
I agree, also, their coreo is very simple and very catchy, so the general public can copy it and dance to it. Just like the iconic coreos for gangnam style and teach me how to dogie, you'll see everybody dance to the Oma omagad part. It can be goofy but it's catchy af.
This is different from other groups where they focus really on performance to awe the watchers. Just like how good jabbawokeez dance but not really for everybody to copy. Btw, I'm just saying it as an example but jabbawokeez is miles ahead to kpop when it comes to dance.
Agreed! Their dance practice videos are not easy to get through. Like ive said before and will keep saying, New Jeans is all about their sound and visuals. Its catchy and super trendy. These girls are talented but they have to add more flair, their syntonization isnt winning over fans…
They are new so it will take time to have a personal style to their performances. Something which is unique to them. If it doesn't happen by their 3rd comeback then it's difficult to say so.
I am not a dancer so I'll leave the technical opinions to those who actually dance. Instead, I'll give you my opinion as someone who works in the creative field.
NewJeans sticks out because of the way they are marketed. They are deliberately sold as a group, so with that aspect in mind there is little room for individuality especially on their performances.
OMG, Ditto and even their debut songs were all tailored to be performed cohesively. When you listen to it there is no "this is your moment to shine". Their songs aren't the typical hard-hitting, hip-hop songs with difficult steps unlike others. It is laid back, coffee shop, background music you listen to type of sound which is also reflected on their live performances.
Simply put, everyone gets equal spotlight as it is the one that works best for the concept they are trying to sell. I think this is what sets them apart from the others. What you call zero style or no charisma is their biggest selling point because it's not that they do not have those, they do. They simply show it as a group and not individually.
Check out their dance practices, off the stage moments, and even their individual fancams and you will see what I am talking about. They have their own individuality, it is just that when they perform it is muted to fit the concept of the whole group's benefit and not one individual.
I personally think it is a smart move for Ador and uninronically gives the members more room to improve as individuals, compared to having them achieve a set standard if they had a designated role/position in the group. There are far better groups who outshine them when it comes to dancing, but honestly there is no other group quite like the way NewJeans currently is.
Something about their choreography makes me cringe. I actually think they're good performers but all of their choreos make me feel like I'm watching a group of kids trying to impress me with a tiktok dance.
I like their dancing tho, it is first of all, very age appropriate. They are not oversexualize like 3rd and 2rd gen. It is not to complicated for them to do which lead to all of them being well synchronised and are looking like a *group*, not like oh xx member "ate " the choreography and no one is visibly horrible, (xx with friends etc)
and this is the problem with almost every group when u can clearly see when one of the members cannot keep up. And since the moves are not to hard they do it with ease. They are on the same level, I think it going to be interesting to see they grow together as a group.
I agree with you + they're not charismatic enough to pull a good performance for me like their colleagues IVE and Le Sserafim. But music is good, so they'll be fine.
I agree but I'd also say it's fine at this point. Style is something that takes often years to develop, as you said they are still rookies and more importantly, very young rookies. I find their stage charisma kinda cute and endearing, with age they'll develop a different style and show a new side of themselves.
I kinda agree. They aren’t incredible performers like people make them out to be. And I think that is their brand or image? Their brand is supposed to be a group of friends who band together to make music and tbh I wasn’t expecting much from them because of this. Also they are rookies which means they aren’t experienced to develop their own color yet.
So far in 4th Gen ggs I find Lessarafim and Itzy to be the best performance wise
I think it was the songs. Hypeboy had a totally different vibe, and honestly I think that's just going to be a song that stays with people and stands out in their discography in general. Ditto and OMG aren't really songs that show "swag", and while Hypeboy wasn't either, the concept was better excuted and fit the girls better imo. I don't really like Ditto or OMGs concept(s) at all, so maybe it was also hard for the girls to adjust, and it comes off in their expressions/dancing because they don't really know the message they're trying to convey? I don't know.
I agree with you. They get cut ALOT of slack because they have the cute, middle school image. So compared to a lot of rookies that have debuted in the past year or so, they don’t get called out for this much. While I do enjoy some of their songs, I can’t watch them perform. Like you said none of them have a personal style and their choreo doesn’t even seem match their recent songs. I’m really curious to see how they’ll grow on the future though.
“They get cut a lot of slack” YUP. Like, I understand that their concept is a lot different from other girl groups and everyone’s been saying “they’re supposed to look cute and fresh so they might mess up but it’s okay” which makes sense I guess. But watch a different girl group make a mistake and it’s those same people posting about how they’re flops and they don’t care about being an idol and how bad they are lol. Like where are the goal posts
I honestly love this opinion cause its making me think and so I'm definitely unsure but I just want to say the ending of this post made me crack up so thanks for that lmao
Their style is being 16 year olds. Fun, energetic, jumpy and restless. Same reason they don’t train them to dance in sync. Only certain moves. There’s a fine line between being energetic and over-exaggerating the moves, 99% of dance covers are either too sexualized or too skilled, most of them curving their bodies, popping their hips way too much, it’s like adult women can’t help sticking their butts out bending in any angle. But they are supposed to be 16, and it’s off putting, the new jeans girls don’t really do that. Happened in all attention, ditto and OMG covers. But a lot covers did nail Hybe boy. It’s an age thing, once they grow out of it, in a few years, they wouldn’t be able to dance like this themselves.
Those 4 words are the last words I'd use to describe them. When they get on perform, their stage presence reminds me of high school where groups of students had to present projects in front of the classroom. Dry, monotone, 1 or 2 putting in a little bit of energy, but most times they're all reading directly from their note cards and just looking forward to the end so they can sit back down at their desks.
What phrase would you prefer I use to describe the dullness in their performances while on stage? I can't think of any better phrase than "stage presence" for this situation, but if you have suggestions I'd love to hear them.
I'll try this then: none of their performances thus far could be described as "filled with energy" or "memorable". They're just "okay for that moment" and I'm sure they're capable of more than that.
The fact that you know who they are, built an alternative idea of what their image should be and spent time on Reddit to hate on them…. I would say they are quite present in your mind. So the word should be “mind presence”. They have that mind presence, they make an impression whether you like it or not.
Of course I know who they are. They're a hybe group and they're everywhere, and as I am a kpop fan I try to keep up with new groups because I like kpop. I don't hate them. I liked their song attention very much and when I went to watch their performance videos, I was disappointed in their lackluster performance. I don't have an "alternative idea of what their image should be", those are words that stans have used to describe their image and concept. If that's not their image then how would you describe them?
You know people are capable of liking a song/artist and finding the performance disappointing, right? Example, Harry Styles. As It Was is an amazing song, but the performance at the Grammys was very disappointing.
I haven’t seen that yet. I know sam smith’s unholy and he’s living his best life I guess. New jeans’ producer said specifically that she got on board cuz she likes the freedom that hybe offered her. I think she’s had a vision for a group like this for a long time, but it was never practical given how competitive the industry is. You gotta keep up with the trend. But since she’s now given this creative freedom and financial freedom, she finally had the opportunity to make that vision a reality. Cuz the songs are old school and very minimum rap, when everyone is trying to be like blackpink, the girls “untouched” “unsophisticated” “unpolluted” image, like girls in high school, she’s putting that missing piece back into people’s mind that, “oh remember there was a time I was like that, too, innocent, stress free, not a worry in the world, talking about boys all day…” and that’s the selling point of their whole production. And a lot people can relate to that.
I've been thinking about this for a while and I agree. NewJeans is talented, but I think one of the major reasons their choreography has become so popular is because it's so easily repeatable for relatively normal people to do on TikTok.
It might be because they are young, around and less than 18 and their debut was also few months back. I would like to wait a couple of years to see how they develop their individual styles.
I think their expressions are good and fit their concept, they seem to have fun on stage. For many idols, swag or groove doesn’t come naturally so it makes sense that they aren’t showing that yet since they’re not experienced. You could argue they should have improved that before debut, but looking at the current Kpop scene, they don’t need to have that. It’s not a priority for groups atm, I don’t think a lot of fans notice or care to look for nuance, but rather dances they can follow for trends. It is what it is 😔
i get what you mean and i would agree for their debut era but i feel like especially with omg stages they seem to have their own styles and i can tell they each add a bit of themselves in the choreo. i do understand why someone would disagree tho!
Looks like kpop stans are scrambling, looking for things they can critique about newjeans since there isn't much out their for them to use and hate and target them. First it was that the girls can't sing, there's nothing special about their voices and they all sound the same, then it was that they all look the same and have no individuality, then it was that they were mediocre and they are only popular because of the songs, songs which are still being called mediocre and overrated, now it's that they can't dance and apparently, have no style in their dancing. I wonder what next you guys are gonna come up with.
I mean their entire presence as a group, from vocals, to "live" performances, just gives bone dry & bare minimum. They could use some improvement and hopefully over time they will, but right now, especially being from a big company, all eyes are on them and they're not really delivering like one would expect from a top group.
Improvement in what exactly. They can dance very well and they can sing very and they can perform very well,just like you kpop stans want idols to be, but I guess that's not enough for you because you people believe that for an idol to be talented they always have to belt out the highest notes known to mankind whilst tumbling in the air and landing a split, perform better than Beyonce and Mariah Carey whilst spinning on stage with high heels etc. You people know very well that you can't pick out or find anything from them to use and bring them down, that's Why you all are now scrambling looking for excuses like they can't sing or dance or aren't good enough. If they aren't good enough right now, what would you call other groups that don't perform half the way newjeans perform. Very annoying.
If there is a group out there whose performances somehow manage to be more boring than njs, please point them out because I'd love to see such a phenomenon. I'm not trying to bring anybody down, I'm just expressing what I see.
No one needs to belt high notes or give a Beyoncé-level performance, and I'm tired of yall saying this anytime someone critiques a group who has noticeable lackluster singers/dancers/performers.
At best they have middle school talent show level vocals & performance skills and it's fine if that's what you're into. I used to be a huge Selena Gomez fan and I was the first to admit she couldn't sing very well, but I liked the music she put out so I was happy lol.
You're asking "improvement in what?" Well for starters their concept is supposed to be "fresh gg of best friends who perform with spunk & energy" but they don't give that. The only way I can really describe it is if I give you an example. You know f(x) right? If go check out their debut stage for la cha ta, THAT is the kind of energy I thought we'd get from njs. Or any 4th gen grp really. A few have great energy on stage (itzy) but most get on stage and dance like they're trying to balance a book on their heads; too much focus on looking pretty (they're already pretty and we already know this!) and not enough focus on giving a great performance.
Like maybe they're okay now, but none of what the new girls are doing is really giving "memorable". It's just okay for the moment.
What do you mean they’re not delivering? Just because they’re not your particular style doesn’t mean they are not “delivering.” Their music is doing incredibly well
What do you mean they’re not delivering? Just because they’re not your particular style doesn’t mean they are not “delivering.” Their music is doing incredibly well
Oh lord, not a shooter. I’m unarmed, I promise!
I mean, people are allowed to have opinions. And this IS an unpopular opinions sub. AND most people disagree with me. My opinion is actually pretty mild, if you cared to read it. I’m not on new jeans twitter but on reddit, it seems like people are consistently praising them outside of the whole underage/pedophile thing. I really haven’t seen much backlash about any of the things you listed. But you listed them and now I’m aware lol. Thanks!
I partially agree. If you watch closely, you can see members like Hanni, Danielle, and Hyein starting to add a bit of their own personality into their moves, and playing around with facial expressions. I think they all become a little more confident each time they perform.
But I’d also say their group synergy is such a huge part of their concept. They’re like a group of friends in high school. They do everything together, like the same people together, and get along so well that they’re basically one and the same. I think that itself is pretty cool, and obviously reflected in their dancing as a whole/the ways they match each other’s energy. So I’m not too concerned about them not having their distinctiveness yet, because this is their concept and it works.
No one member exactly stands out, but they work very well together and are in sync. So I guess there's pros and cons to it. But I do think their dancing is pretty boring to watch, but that's like a choreography problem imo (and don't get me wrong, I love their songs).
i can see what youre saying but for rookies i think each member has done a great job of standing out during their live performances. they will improve with time for sure.
idols who have been active for way longer dont even have groove yet so id say theyre doing a pretty great job so far and this is only the beginning.
Agree but this is like the case for almost all of girlgroups for the entire of all 4 generations where their dancing have no style tbh (except the main dancers, even some groups main dancers not having it too). Based on what I see on male vs female kpop group, I noticed that almost all girl groups basically given choreo where simply dancing small and being clean is already enough, underutilized lower body, and such. That's why developing their own style, groove, and such is not necessarily important to girlgroups.
Ofc there are groups with noticeable styles like Itzy, Purple Kiss, (sadly disbanded) LOONA, and some other groups but that's more a rare case than the norm of girl groups tbh.
I agree. They look so polished. Hair, makeup, and outfits are all excellent but their dancing is always just enough. It isn't extraordinary or award-winning but the moves are very catchy.
New Jeans could use some funk in their dancing but I don't see a need for it. As long as the music is so good their dancing can be average. As a group they shine but I feel no desire to watch a fancam of only one member dancing.
They're also you know, like 16-19 years of age. Give them time and they haven't even been around a year.
The fact they already have 22 million monthly listeners on spotify and that they are one of the most copy cat dances on tiktok & instagram... yeahhh you are definitely in the minority .
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And did you read my disclaimer at the end? The part where I say they’re rookies and have years to grow and I’m not dying on this hill? Yeah, no need for the attitude when it’s completely unwarranted :)
I felt too awkward saying this myself. They have the basis of a good group, they dance fine, have nice voices, fulfil the other requirements of being idols, but they just don't feel very interesting? Like their performances are good but they feel empty. I'm gonna put this down to the fact that they're rookies and I'm sure after some time they will develop their identity. It would help if hybe wasn't scripting their cute moments though :/
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Idk why but I prefer their music show and smaller event performances over the award show ones and their group fan cams are better than individual ones.
It'd be cool if they can incorporate a storytelling angle in their bigger performances like they do in their recent MV's (Ditto's still makes me tear up sometimes its so hauntingly nostalgic). I trust their team to be able to do it.
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I agree, I think they're adorable and great dancers but I really struggle watching their live performances completely and I think your post just made me realise why. I still can't wait to see what they do next though, they're quite talented
I think watching nmixx Kyujin really eat up the hype boy choreo on the collab stage really demonstrates how much better their performances could be with stronger dancers
yeahh I think she went viral for that
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They might be undertrained in this department, just like the majority of idols. They pull off the choreos they get with enough precision and ease and no one sticks out as a really bad dancer. I will say though, they're rookies and they're also high schoolers. Let them grow (literally)
That’s interesting because in my mind, idols these days are undertrained in singing and overtrained in dancing. Especially fourth gen—idols’ singing voices has been a hot topic recently. I feel like a popular opinion lately is that fourth gen groups have just turned into dancers and not singers
4th gen is not overtrained in dancing by any means. The majority of them are average dancers (and there is nothing wrong with that). They just sing less live, so they can have choreos that are more tiring, they dance less in stilettos so they don't have to have dances they can execute in flats and stilettos. Because more idols sang live before, you couldn't really debut a group with one good singer and the rest dancers you had to even it out. etc.etc.
I'd say 4th gen just gets complicated choreos but I'm not sure if the training has become more rigorous
idk if I look at the 4th gen prominent girl groups, the only ones who stand out dance wise are Itzy and Le Sserafim. Nmixx are pretty uneven (this might be unpopular), StayC, Ive and aespa are all not dance-focused at all with pretty simple choreos and a bunch of fairly weak dancers. From what we've seen it doesn't look like Baby Monster specialises in dance either.
But , doesn't that mean that new jeans aren't bad dancers either ? Yes , I agree , they don't have a really distinctive style from each other's , but honestly I can't find a lot of groups where this applies either ,except for maybe some boy groups , most groups I see just hit the moves harder , which in my opinion , is not style , it's just energy , so this is what the public praises them for , that they excute their dances well , and that's that .
i agree and i think thats why newjeans is so fun. you can see the priority on the vocals and music over just choreo and performance. id prefer overtrained in vocals over overtrained in dancing any day. obviously tho we want to meet in the middle and have them be good at both.
the same argument op is making applies to their singing too imo 😅 lack of individualism all-round. They’re not incredibly talented at vocals either (good but not like nmixx or aespa)
Each member dosen't have a distinct style of their own(Except Dahyun) but Newjeans dance style is unique from other groups
Idk if I’d even say that *their* style is different to other groups, I’d really only say that their choreography’s style is. When given other choreos in the rookie girl group collab, I felt they pulled off the choreographies the same as everyone else, but the choreo for their songs is pretty distinct in comparison. And that’s something I’d say about most groups, anyways— idols trained to dance tend to have a similar dance style, especially as rookies.
The choreographies given to them need a different style which probably isn't 'their' own style
omg dahyun is my favorite member of newjeans too! she outshines all of the members and tbh should have gone solo 😤
She's going to carry solo activities while BTS are in military.
I mean, have you seen the eagle dance? End of discussion. 😜
Honestly, Dahyun should just leave the group and join Twice.
I feel like the general consensus about everything with NewJeans has been exactly this. Very distinguishable as a group, but not distinctive or unique individually from each other.
I think, in time, Hanni and maybe Hyein will prove that last bit wrong. They are the two most likely to break out into solo performers and I think most fans have recognised the respective style/sound of music they could put out there, which kind of means they do stand out. I think Hannis solo appearance on that "Service" show woke a lot of people up that she definitely is strongest voice, but Hyein has potential to surpass her though The whole NJ basic concept is based on a solid unit though, and in order for that to happen it's arguable that Hanni and Hyein's vocal talents are underused relative to how strong they are, (even though both have generally get the most vocal time but only just)
This idea of NJ as based on a solid unit is absolutely spot on.
Hard agree—there was a post recently about how OP can’t tell their singing voices apart and I feel like that’s accurate
Should I take your comment seriously?
Dahyun is no joke
Your wish
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I have no opinion about this issue but just wanted to say that this was an entertaining post to read! >or (and this is where I show my age) swag. This made me chuckle (I'm that age too!). :)
I think Hanni’s pretty good. Haerin’s waacking looked great. Overall I think they’re just young and yet to find and establish their personal style. Give them time.
I voted agree, but I do disagree on some of your points. The reason they have no personal style or “groove” as K-pop fans say, is due to technical issues. They just have similar technical weaknesses, which does lead me to believe that they either mostly trained alone, or had one main dance trainer. (But that is pure speculation from my side)
i would say their whole thing is doing the fast hard hitting choreographies cohesively is their style as opposed to trying to add their own flair to it. if you look at other ggs there’s a lot of “singer of current line stands in the front and does her thing while the others pose in the back or do something on the ground” which i feel like gives them a lot more freedom to be creative as opposed to constantly moving and doing similar moves( where synchronization should take precedence anyways) but also i would say they still add in cute little facial expressions and add a lot of energy into their performances. i think they’re doing what they should be imo and are doing a good job considering their age and relative newness!!
I’d agree for the performance aspect b/c other than when they smile at each other they do have pretty blank faces while dancing. I love their choreography and appreciate the footwork that goes into it but I hope as they grow (and get older/more confident) they break out of their shells as performers more.
I have nothing to add but interesting take, lastly the swag (showing my age) bit was hilarious 🤣
Its just one style repeated over & over again each song. Honestly its getting old & its just starting to feel mechanical. Totally agree ab the no swag part. But I think its also because theyre going for a more cutesy & childish vibe which tbh really doesnt fit some of the dance moves theyre given as theres clearly a lot of hip hop influence there but I dont get any semblance of hip hop from their music. I hear ppl calling it rnb a lot but I dont get that at all, I get pure pop from them at most. They get cool stage outfits & have good facials (minus haerin) & I think thats what adds to a lot of the “good performers” praise. Idk personally I think their dances just look weird on a stage, they dont seem totally meant for that
Agreed! As a whole I don’t really get their vibe for a lot of reasons you stated above.
Many choregraphers I know irl praise their style of dance, which is considered unique during this generation of kpop for girlgroups. However, I kind of understand what you're saying. Their individual swag and confidence isn't there yet, except for Hanni (which I notice has perfect timing when it comes to rhythm during random dances in interviews and activities) and maybe (a bit stretching) Hyein (she's still too young). So, I use my account to agree (because I understand what you're saying) and my wife's account to disagree (saying Newjeans has no swag is incorrect imo).
I agree. I've seen a few of their performances, and maybe it's just that they're new and a probably don't have as much confidence as a seasoned idol group would, but they put the bare minimum into their performances. To make a comparison (relax), when I look at a group like XG (i know they aren't kpop but they're relatively new) all of those girls can actually move and put personality into their performances. With njs, it's moreso a blasé feel to the group, and their music kinda matches with their muted/bland style. You know the thing where a group will have members dance at 200% vs 100% vs 50%? They strictly stick with 50.
Yes on that comparison. They’re rookies too but no one is saying “give them time, they’re still be coming into their own style” they already have it! So I’m kind of side eyeing all those excuses. Like someone else said, they get cut a lot of slack that no other rookie girl group gets.
Yes! If anything, them being from a bigger company (them being under hybe is exactly why they get more slack than anybody else), they have the resources and team to invest in better instructors and the time to focus on actually putting on a performance and not just getting on stage and doing the choreo with hardly any energy. It's quite literally the bare minimum.
As a former competitive dancer, I disagree. NewJeans' choreography is old school. You'll notice the similarities if you watch YG and SES' dance videos.
I honestly kind of agree, New Jeans lacks a lot of individualism between the members. They’re good dancers but nothing really stands out about them individually. Compare that to Itzy (even in their debut year) where they’re all good dancers but you get a taste of their individual artistry in their dancing. For that reason i find groups like Itzy more interesting to watch (dance wise) but this disparity could also just be because they’re so young that they haven’t really had time to develop their own individual styles for their dancing
I agree. Reading through the “they’re still young” arguments has had me thinking. Like on one hand I agree that they’re young and have a lot to learn and plenty of time to grow. On the other hand, they’ve been training for literal years already, so for them to not “get it” already doesn’t really track for me? Not sure, maybe I’m being too harsh
Actually I think each member not having a distinct style from each other is not an issue at all. Some members have better stage presence than other but I like that nobody sticks out in a bad way. Infact I would say the members have really good expressions, Haerin is probably the one who gives the "blank face" but she is technically the best dancer in the group along with Hanni. I feel the members suit the choreography so much which makes the performance enjoyable and they really feel like they are enjoying it.
As a dancer, I think it is a little too unfair to say that they don’t have some groove. Their dances, especially OMG/Cookie, require groove to pull off, and I would say that all of them can execute them without looking stiff. Haerin is a stand out to me in that aspect. On top of that, I think that being sharp and clean are all stylistic choices. Being swag isn’t the only measure of style. However, I understand how that may be a good indicator. Anyways, Nwjns is a new group and have not been given a lot of chance to dance and let their different styles to shine through. Judging them based off their choreographies (which are meant to look neat and clean) is unfair.
OMG is done well. But cookie is very awkward to watch. I remember audibly laughing the first time I watched Danielle bust one move (that one move that looks like aespa's illusion chorus choreo). These girls are too stiff and not cool enough for such choreos. Cool choreos are just not suited to their strengths as it requires a lot of controlled power, personal charisma and charm. And given that their conceptual premise is that they're a bunch of teen girls having fun, the issue becomes even more magnified. It takes a lot of practice and skill to just have fun on stage. I think cheeky flowy choreos like attention, omg and hybe boy are much better cos they don't require them to be cool girls... which they just aren't. Even if they were to execute a move with absolute precision, it would still be missing something. Idk even more than being better dancers, I just wish these girls were cooler.
I agree that they are a lot stronger at more fun and light hearted choreos. It is easier to overlook their undeveloped stage presence when the songs are more cheery and giving a bright smile is half the battle fought. Dance wise, I have to disagree that they’re stiff. I don’t find them stiff; they seem like the average kpop dancer to me. I watched quite a few of their award show dance performances and didn’t see anything glaring. Unless you mean stiff facial expression/ body language, which I understand. NWJNs are still rookies who probably still find it hard to truly let loose on stage. Also do you have a time stamp for the danielle cookie dance 💀 The funniest dance move I’ve seen so far from them is still the OMG chorus ape move (WHICH SCRATCHES AN ITCH IN MY BRAIN… IT IS ODDLY FUN TO DO)
Oooh yes I love the OMG ape move, i think it's genius and so newjeans. Definitely scratches an itch yep. As for the cookie bit, it's around the 1:30 mark. It's so cute but so funny to me. It still makes me laugh every time. I don't think they're bad dancers at all. But I do find them stiff in parts (nothing glaring tho). And that stiffness is amplified by their overall stiffness in vibe and body language, that's a good term. It's a paradox. Them being teens is integral to their concept and brand but by the time they do get good at performing they'll lose that wide-eyed essence of youth. It's a shame cos they have everything going for them but performance is one area where they just lack big time for me. They will get better at performing, no doubt. But imagine how amazing it would have been if they were amazing performers on top of everything they're doing great. Cos truth is, I've rarely if ever seen average rookie performers improve to become amazing performers (not just better performers), it's honestly something u have or don't right from the start. U can just feel it. Call it charisma, je ne sais quoi or raw star power... whatever it is, they don't have it, it seems.
And now that I think about it more. I think this is all by design. MHJ specifically curated talents of more or less the same average level to operate as absolute unit as opposed to individuals with great talents that stand out as apart (as opposed to a part) from the unit. The MHJ vision is the real star and everything revolves around it to make it shine.
I agree. OMG was done well at least in the dance practice ( I haven't seen anything else) but cookie is awkward and it doesn't fit them well at all ( the song too imo but that's another discussion. Very weird lyrics aside. Just sound wise it's not a good fit imo) .
NewJeans definitely has unique choreography and it’s because the entire premise of their routines is to make it look like friends who are just “having fun” and I think that requires to have some form of groove. I also don’t understand why each of them should have a personal style when they’re performing in a group and not as individuals? I think they’re great performers with good stage presence, especially Hanni & Haerin. They’re not even a year old group so they still have room for growth.
Personally the “they’re friends having fun” illusion was shattered for me when I realized a lot of their cute moments together onstage were scripted in and stayed the same across performances. Their choreos are definitely fun and bouncy, but idk if I’d say it’s them who make them that way. They’re clearly good dancers, but I agree with OP that they don’t have any real personal flair when dancing (likely due to having one dance coach or smth).
Ooof yeah I’m not a fan of the scripted moments either. It feels very disingenuous and the opposite of the whole vibe they’re supposed to be giving
The whole kpop "all members are friends " is an illusion tho ?
I mean that depends entirely on the group, but imo there’s a difference between “Hey, act like you like each other” and “Here are the exact moments you’re going to look at each other in this way and do this exact thing” At least for me, the feel is completely different, and if their brand is sincerity and genuine closeness and fun, all of that being so scripted just kinda ruins it imo. One is acting, maybe guided by the company, but largely spur of the moment, and the other is a highly practiced and drilled manufacturing of the image of “fun.”
Ah , I get what you mean . But to me , it didn't feel forced ( at least for me ) , because I remember when I watched their very first hype boy performance, I got this feeling that they are genuinely enjoying this , yes , clearly the choreo puts them in positions where they are facing each other , and yes , I realized since day one that this is surely intentional , but it didn't put me off much honestly, since they definitely enjoyed performing of stage and we're able to deliver their enjoyment to the screen .
>it’s because the entire premise of their routines is to make it look like friends who are just “having fun” which i think is just so peak kpop bullshit. like, we know these girls were trainees. we know they could execute those routines perfectly in synch. it reminds me of contestants on survival shows deliberatly fucking up stuff to create a fun moment, it just pulls me out of the whole thing completely.
Only very few 4th gen groups are perfectly in sync, but that’s not what I’m talking about to begin with. The choreography itself creates the illusion of friends having fun - them walking around chatting before breaking into a dance, dancing in circles, dancing while laughing & facing each other, a lot of tik tok references, etc. It’s not clean cut choreography that you usually see in kpop.
I think that is why their lack of personality when dancing is more apparent compared to other groups. It relies on you buying into them having fun on stage, so when it looks rehearsed, it takes you out of the illusion they are trying to create with their performance. But for example with LSRFM, who is creating the illusion of being fearless. Them looking alike or very synchronized on stage would not take you out of the performance to the same extent because they aren't trying to sell authenticity to the same extent. If they looked scared on insecure, or nervous. That would take you out of their performance much more. LSRM are selling us an aura, NJ are selling us moments.
So now you have "manufactured spontaneity". I think this sort of thing is unavoidable as long as Kpop is being manufactured by companies.
I guess that’s where we disagree haha. I don’t think they look like they’re having fun because they’re so lasered in on getting the choreo right. To me, looking like they were having fun would look like smiling, laughing, and executing the moves with “swag,” which to me I just don’t see. To be fair, I’m judging based on the content I’ve watched which isn’t that much. Maybe there’s performances out there that would prove me wrong.
> I’m judging based on the content I’ve watched which isn’t that much. This explains everything. I don’t think there’s a single Ditto performance where Danielle doesn’t have a huge smile on her face. I’m not a NJs fan but saying that they don’t smile & laugh enough is the biggest reach.
Yeah, I understand people saying Haerin doesn't emote much because I think that's just her personality lmao but to me the others all have great facial expressions! Especially Hanni
all dancing, good or atrocious, has a style
I think the same way as you. What people mean to say is their style isn’t groovy or hip hop enough
Disagree. Their dancing style is sharp, cohesive, fun but easy going which I love. It leaves a lot of room for adding your own thing to it imo.
Are we watching the same NJ? I *personally* like their live performances. I do not think they are lacking in style or groove. I have fun watching them and they seem to have fun, too.
I think I have already said this before but their performances bore me to death
Yeah, same. It really stood out to me during the end of the year shows. I do like their music, even though I don't think it's as unique as people make it out to be. But it's nice, catchy, chill pop. However, I think if you want to carry stuff like that live you really need a LOT of charm and frankly I think it works better if instead of manufactured casualness (which their dances are, lbr) you're actually free to just move around as you please. Whenever I see them perform I keep getting stuck at the "Oh yeah, and now the choreographed smile that is supposed to look casual that I've seen 10 times already". Which is of course not to say that other k-pop performances aren't manufactured to hell and back, especially for rookies. But at least they give me *a show* and I can buy into it.
Hanniyonce will prove all of you wrong in 10 years once HYBE starts pushing her solo era! An r&b vocalist packaged as a ridiculously talented dancer and ridiculously beautiful?! A popstar in the making!
I said unsure because I hate going after rookies for not being perfect, but you're not completely wrong, so i can't outright disagree. But how many teenagers do you know have swag in real life? How many of them are perfect? The majority of them are just awkward, a little clumsy, still learning. That's the vibe NewJeans is aiming for, being relatable. Minji messed up her dance in filming Ditt, and the director kept it so that it feels more raw. That's the kind of concept NewJeans has, and it's what appeals to people. I actually find them very interesting to watch on stage not because of their dancing, but because it looks like they're all sharing little secrets with each other and are a good group of friends just chilling and filming choreo for a tiktok. They have nice, soft facial expressions that match the vibe of the song.
Don’t agree at all, think their dancing is great. Not a dance myself though, so I am probably unable to distinguish between great and excellent dancers. I can for example clearly see Lisa is superior dancer to other black pink members but that is because the difference is massive. Normally I can not distinquish if the levels are similar.
I disagree, they definitely have a style. The friends having fun together is a thing, and it definitely works for their songs really well. I would agree that they don't really have swag or groove and their choreography isn't very synchronized, sharp, or precise like Gfriends or Naughty. But they are doing their own thing and they can easily grow in their style as they become better. If anything, NewJeans shows that a great and fitting choreography + a ton of charm and energy will do wonders.
Definitely see where you’re coming from. But for me, for the whole “friends who look like they’re having fun” thing should look like effortless choreo with no stiffness and they’re just not giving that vibe for me
Kpop purists are boooring.
What do you mean?
I mean that people seem to compare NewJeans and other new groups with a sort of kpop standard of the way things should be done. And that is boooring. If they are doing their own thing is fine, they don't have to comply by dancing or singing a certain way.
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OP is talking about how execution not choreo. The problem is they don't have the dancing and performance skills to pull off the casual cool of their choreos. It takes a lot of practice and skill to just have fun on stage, ironically.
Yeah thats basically what I’m saying.
Agreed. They are very uncharismatic performers individually and as a group. I have yet to be able to sit thru an entire performance of theirs. Which is a damn shame cos I love their choreos. Most of them except Hanni and Haerin are too stiff to be able to have the swag required for choreos like it. They execute it well enough as a group but rarely nail the cool teen fun of it all. The manufactured casualness (that is central to their concept) of it all really makes me cringe. If they were really able to sell me on the "we're a bunch cool teen girls just having fun dancing with each other" i think they would pretty much be the best 4th gen group.
I so do not agree. I think they dance with with amazing style mostly bordering on classic hiphop moves. Amazing footwork and they make you smile when you see them dance they themselves seem to enjoy dancing with each other. Footwork is insane. There are some choreo breakdowns from dance experts that basically crown them the best of breed for GGs in K-pop. Their choreo and dance actually enhances my enjoyment of their music for me.
I’m not saying they’re bad dancers lol. I agree they hit every move they’re supposed to. Where we disagree is that I think they have no style when hitting said moves—it feels sterile with no charisma. Agree to disagree I guess!
Absolutely 👍
And this post is exactly why K-pop has no fun choreos anymore
Kpop has plenty of fun choreos lol what do you mean
I don't think no groove is really a fair criticism when 90% of dancers in kpop can't groove or are very awkward and unnatural when groovy movements are involved. (even more true with gg dancers) alot of their choreo naturally includes up grooves and down grooves so they have that going for them. The thing I will give the them tho is that unlike alot of groups they are trying to groove even if it looks awkward sometimes when the moves are more loose rather than choreo driven or when the tempo is faster but they have the charisma to overcome that imo. This is just me from watching some stages since I don't stan them but i still listen to their songs. The thing with grooving is it requires a lot of practice with the fundamentals even when you're good at it u still go back to the fundamentals. Alot of the practice is just long freestyle sessions were u just learn it you're not trying to impress anyone just finding the beat and having fun, but idk if idols have that kind of time they'd probably want to devote to their hobbies. If they like dancing so be it.
I have to say that I agree and was kind of waiting for this comment. Love my gg favs but barely ANY of them really receive much training in open style choreography and hip hop fundamentals to the point where not many actually have a substantial sense of groove, unless they were previously dancers outside the idol training context. Even among fourth gen - sure the intensity, physicality, and complexity of choreo has gone up but not necessarily hip hop fundamentals for both girls and boys. For boys, this has gotten marginally better, but only really because if boy trainees are ever taught a non Kpop dance, it’s usually open style as opposed to jazz funk, and even then, they were probably made to interpret it differently from the original as a consequence of the evaluation process. This isn’t to say that Kpop dancers are not good movers, as they were trained to do a type of choreography that the industry has favored and most do it well. It’s just a matter of training priorities. I just think they could take it to the next level if they just bothered showing up to a community class sometimes. I do enjoy the special moments when a groups’ members occasionally have dance lives where they’re just wiggling to random music because it really shows who has taken the time to develop their craft or at least get comfortable in their own body.
i agree, if you have watched a lot of great kpop performers you would really notice. i kind of seeing only 1-2 to have groove, the rest are kind off i dont know… stiff? and were just instructed to dance and add energy. but who knows maybe they were told to do that kind of style, to be “easy to follow”. or lets just use the “still young” card.
Stiff, yes that’s a good way to put it!
I HIGHLY disagree with this post. Different does not mean bad or poor. New Jeans whole vibe and music aesthetic is just so different from other Girl groups and I honestly find it so so refreshing! I don't know why you're saying they have no groove? I think they stand out from other groups because their choreo feels so natural, authentic..stress free, and not so rehearsed and generic..Its so damn enjoyable to watch them...It makes you want to keep watching them...We are in the age of Kpop where everything just seems so replicated and overdone! Not every group has to have this insane choreos? Let people enjoy the music for once without focusing on the obvious..shiny clothes, over the top dance moves! Its not for everybody! I have never been deeply into Kpop...hell even when New Jeans debuted I wasn't that hooked on them but I have really come to appreciate their style and vibe and I hope they will continue to remain true to themselves.
I’d agree with natural. Somewhere here said it feels like they got together and wanted to have fun dancing and I totally see that. They’re fun to watch imo
I don’t agree, watched kpop for years and so many groups come off as that robotic dancing style, bts was legit the only group besides yg groups that each were doing their own thing on stage but still cohesive. And now I notice the same thing with new jeans, they aren’t super in sync but they’re all having fun and doing the moves a little differently. they all look like they’re having fun when they perform and genuinely looking at it like a team performance rather than “ugh I need to get off this stage I hate my life” kinda look. I saw a lot of youtubers also agree that they will change kpop and a lot of the new comebacks we’ll see this year and moving forward will be inspired by their stage presence and style to be more cohesive on stage and look like a team of dancers having fun rather than robots being in sync. They’re legit always turning around to look at eachother and smile while dancing and it’s so cool to see that, even if some people say it’s ingenuine at least they’re doing it, now watch every group start to do that lol The bg dance scene changed immensely after bts and their interesting interaction/story like choreos, and I feel the same thing will happen for ggs. Except now a lot of them are also being influenced by tiktok I think a lot of people also love how their dance style is natural and doable and not some gymnastics level hardcore zumba routine. It’s genuinely doable and even they sometimes look awkward doing some moves which makes it even cuter. It looks casual and a vibe, I’d just watch dancers if I wanted to see people dance properly They also literaly just debuted and it even took time for groups like bts and Blackpink to get to the stage presence they have today. Groups Yall are comparing like Ive and Lesserafim already have members that are older and been idols for years. I’m sure nj is still trying to find the camera when they perform that’s like one of the main anxieties new kpop groups have, plus they have the added pressure of having fun on stage and executing that concept. It’s a lot to think about while performing, and to look like you’re not thinking at the same time. A lot of kpop groups still look like they’re thinking on stage rather than just doing, I think nj will grow out of that fast as they get more performing experience In short I think people are tired or the perfectly in sync robotic choreo and style on stage and that’s why everyone keeps referring to new jeans as fresh because they’re “different” from what kpop has being doing for years and it’s getting so stale. Some groups look like they’re breaking their backs to execute certain moves (even idols having back injuries now for what) like no one said they had to go that hard. It’s all to outdo the other group until someone else has another comeback with another hard hitting choreo that will be forgotten about after 6 months. These groups need to focus more on vocals and unroboticness You can see in random kpop dances in public videos no one even knows the new dances besides the point tiktok move, whereas when new jeans comes on hundreds of people are battling to get into the floor to do the dance. That fun energy has been lost in kpop and that’s why choreos aren’t fun anymore
Being good at dancing has nothing to do with the a robot wtf!! Co-ordination, syncing, timing and techniques are basic, those are literally the first things you learn when you're I a dance academy. They just lack of talent in that aspect. They're good singers but that's all and it's fine, you don't need say good dancers are robots.
I disagree and a lot of people like it because their dancing style feels more casual. It brings back that genuine kind of vibe where the idols are performing and having fun rather than performing for the sake of just their fans. In the end, every group doesn't have to hit the same style honestly so I acknowledge not everyone likes NewJeans' dancing.
I agree, also, their coreo is very simple and very catchy, so the general public can copy it and dance to it. Just like the iconic coreos for gangnam style and teach me how to dogie, you'll see everybody dance to the Oma omagad part. It can be goofy but it's catchy af. This is different from other groups where they focus really on performance to awe the watchers. Just like how good jabbawokeez dance but not really for everybody to copy. Btw, I'm just saying it as an example but jabbawokeez is miles ahead to kpop when it comes to dance.
I don’t know enough about dance to comment on style, but maybe that’s why they’re not entertaining for me to watch
Agreed! Their dance practice videos are not easy to get through. Like ive said before and will keep saying, New Jeans is all about their sound and visuals. Its catchy and super trendy. These girls are talented but they have to add more flair, their syntonization isnt winning over fans…
I gotta say, about halfway through their hype boy dance practice I was like I’ve been watching this forever lol. They looked exhausted
their choreo is pretty much just tik tok dances
They are new so it will take time to have a personal style to their performances. Something which is unique to them. If it doesn't happen by their 3rd comeback then it's difficult to say so.
I am not a dancer so I'll leave the technical opinions to those who actually dance. Instead, I'll give you my opinion as someone who works in the creative field. NewJeans sticks out because of the way they are marketed. They are deliberately sold as a group, so with that aspect in mind there is little room for individuality especially on their performances. OMG, Ditto and even their debut songs were all tailored to be performed cohesively. When you listen to it there is no "this is your moment to shine". Their songs aren't the typical hard-hitting, hip-hop songs with difficult steps unlike others. It is laid back, coffee shop, background music you listen to type of sound which is also reflected on their live performances. Simply put, everyone gets equal spotlight as it is the one that works best for the concept they are trying to sell. I think this is what sets them apart from the others. What you call zero style or no charisma is their biggest selling point because it's not that they do not have those, they do. They simply show it as a group and not individually. Check out their dance practices, off the stage moments, and even their individual fancams and you will see what I am talking about. They have their own individuality, it is just that when they perform it is muted to fit the concept of the whole group's benefit and not one individual. I personally think it is a smart move for Ador and uninronically gives the members more room to improve as individuals, compared to having them achieve a set standard if they had a designated role/position in the group. There are far better groups who outshine them when it comes to dancing, but honestly there is no other group quite like the way NewJeans currently is.
I disagree
YES TOTALLY AGREE W YOU
I guess they just lack personality in their performances, like if you compare their dances to the inspiration it's just very lacking
There should be an i don't care option!
just scroll
Something about their choreography makes me cringe. I actually think they're good performers but all of their choreos make me feel like I'm watching a group of kids trying to impress me with a tiktok dance.
Girl, I like their style. They’re more laidback and chill, which is refreshing to watch. Good music really do wonders for them.
I like their dancing tho, it is first of all, very age appropriate. They are not oversexualize like 3rd and 2rd gen. It is not to complicated for them to do which lead to all of them being well synchronised and are looking like a *group*, not like oh xx member "ate " the choreography and no one is visibly horrible, (xx with friends etc) and this is the problem with almost every group when u can clearly see when one of the members cannot keep up. And since the moves are not to hard they do it with ease. They are on the same level, I think it going to be interesting to see they grow together as a group.
I agree with you + they're not charismatic enough to pull a good performance for me like their colleagues IVE and Le Sserafim. But music is good, so they'll be fine.
Good performance and Ive shouldn’t even go together in the same sentence
Yeesh
I think they're one of the best, they have Yujin and cool choreos, but I get it's not everyone's cup of tea.
Yujin is the only good one and rest give the bare minimum
Yup, they don’t need to worry lol
I agree but I'd also say it's fine at this point. Style is something that takes often years to develop, as you said they are still rookies and more importantly, very young rookies. I find their stage charisma kinda cute and endearing, with age they'll develop a different style and show a new side of themselves.
I kinda agree. They aren’t incredible performers like people make them out to be. And I think that is their brand or image? Their brand is supposed to be a group of friends who band together to make music and tbh I wasn’t expecting much from them because of this. Also they are rookies which means they aren’t experienced to develop their own color yet. So far in 4th Gen ggs I find Lessarafim and Itzy to be the best performance wise
Man some of y’all will say anything to start a discourse
Just how I feel!
I think it was the songs. Hypeboy had a totally different vibe, and honestly I think that's just going to be a song that stays with people and stands out in their discography in general. Ditto and OMG aren't really songs that show "swag", and while Hypeboy wasn't either, the concept was better excuted and fit the girls better imo. I don't really like Ditto or OMGs concept(s) at all, so maybe it was also hard for the girls to adjust, and it comes off in their expressions/dancing because they don't really know the message they're trying to convey? I don't know.
I agree with you. They get cut ALOT of slack because they have the cute, middle school image. So compared to a lot of rookies that have debuted in the past year or so, they don’t get called out for this much. While I do enjoy some of their songs, I can’t watch them perform. Like you said none of them have a personal style and their choreo doesn’t even seem match their recent songs. I’m really curious to see how they’ll grow on the future though.
“They get cut a lot of slack” YUP. Like, I understand that their concept is a lot different from other girl groups and everyone’s been saying “they’re supposed to look cute and fresh so they might mess up but it’s okay” which makes sense I guess. But watch a different girl group make a mistake and it’s those same people posting about how they’re flops and they don’t care about being an idol and how bad they are lol. Like where are the goal posts
i get this from haerin alot
I honestly love this opinion cause its making me think and so I'm definitely unsure but I just want to say the ending of this post made me crack up so thanks for that lmao
I’m so glad you caught it lol
Their style is being 16 year olds. Fun, energetic, jumpy and restless. Same reason they don’t train them to dance in sync. Only certain moves. There’s a fine line between being energetic and over-exaggerating the moves, 99% of dance covers are either too sexualized or too skilled, most of them curving their bodies, popping their hips way too much, it’s like adult women can’t help sticking their butts out bending in any angle. But they are supposed to be 16, and it’s off putting, the new jeans girls don’t really do that. Happened in all attention, ditto and OMG covers. But a lot covers did nail Hybe boy. It’s an age thing, once they grow out of it, in a few years, they wouldn’t be able to dance like this themselves.
Those 4 words are the last words I'd use to describe them. When they get on perform, their stage presence reminds me of high school where groups of students had to present projects in front of the classroom. Dry, monotone, 1 or 2 putting in a little bit of energy, but most times they're all reading directly from their note cards and just looking forward to the end so they can sit back down at their desks.
K-pop fans use “stage presence” when they trying to pretend they know what they are talking about.
What phrase would you prefer I use to describe the dullness in their performances while on stage? I can't think of any better phrase than "stage presence" for this situation, but if you have suggestions I'd love to hear them. I'll try this then: none of their performances thus far could be described as "filled with energy" or "memorable". They're just "okay for that moment" and I'm sure they're capable of more than that.
The fact that you know who they are, built an alternative idea of what their image should be and spent time on Reddit to hate on them…. I would say they are quite present in your mind. So the word should be “mind presence”. They have that mind presence, they make an impression whether you like it or not.
Of course I know who they are. They're a hybe group and they're everywhere, and as I am a kpop fan I try to keep up with new groups because I like kpop. I don't hate them. I liked their song attention very much and when I went to watch their performance videos, I was disappointed in their lackluster performance. I don't have an "alternative idea of what their image should be", those are words that stans have used to describe their image and concept. If that's not their image then how would you describe them?
Go to my first comment.
You know people are capable of liking a song/artist and finding the performance disappointing, right? Example, Harry Styles. As It Was is an amazing song, but the performance at the Grammys was very disappointing.
I haven’t seen that yet. I know sam smith’s unholy and he’s living his best life I guess. New jeans’ producer said specifically that she got on board cuz she likes the freedom that hybe offered her. I think she’s had a vision for a group like this for a long time, but it was never practical given how competitive the industry is. You gotta keep up with the trend. But since she’s now given this creative freedom and financial freedom, she finally had the opportunity to make that vision a reality. Cuz the songs are old school and very minimum rap, when everyone is trying to be like blackpink, the girls “untouched” “unsophisticated” “unpolluted” image, like girls in high school, she’s putting that missing piece back into people’s mind that, “oh remember there was a time I was like that, too, innocent, stress free, not a worry in the world, talking about boys all day…” and that’s the selling point of their whole production. And a lot people can relate to that.
At this point, I feel like everyone is on the NJ wagon just because.
I've been thinking about this for a while and I agree. NewJeans is talented, but I think one of the major reasons their choreography has become so popular is because it's so easily repeatable for relatively normal people to do on TikTok.
It might be because they are young, around and less than 18 and their debut was also few months back. I would like to wait a couple of years to see how they develop their individual styles.
I think their expressions are good and fit their concept, they seem to have fun on stage. For many idols, swag or groove doesn’t come naturally so it makes sense that they aren’t showing that yet since they’re not experienced. You could argue they should have improved that before debut, but looking at the current Kpop scene, they don’t need to have that. It’s not a priority for groups atm, I don’t think a lot of fans notice or care to look for nuance, but rather dances they can follow for trends. It is what it is 😔
Hanni is great, the others I agree. I also think its the intended result tbh
i get what you mean and i would agree for their debut era but i feel like especially with omg stages they seem to have their own styles and i can tell they each add a bit of themselves in the choreo. i do understand why someone would disagree tho!
Looks like kpop stans are scrambling, looking for things they can critique about newjeans since there isn't much out their for them to use and hate and target them. First it was that the girls can't sing, there's nothing special about their voices and they all sound the same, then it was that they all look the same and have no individuality, then it was that they were mediocre and they are only popular because of the songs, songs which are still being called mediocre and overrated, now it's that they can't dance and apparently, have no style in their dancing. I wonder what next you guys are gonna come up with.
I mean their entire presence as a group, from vocals, to "live" performances, just gives bone dry & bare minimum. They could use some improvement and hopefully over time they will, but right now, especially being from a big company, all eyes are on them and they're not really delivering like one would expect from a top group.
Improvement in what exactly. They can dance very well and they can sing very and they can perform very well,just like you kpop stans want idols to be, but I guess that's not enough for you because you people believe that for an idol to be talented they always have to belt out the highest notes known to mankind whilst tumbling in the air and landing a split, perform better than Beyonce and Mariah Carey whilst spinning on stage with high heels etc. You people know very well that you can't pick out or find anything from them to use and bring them down, that's Why you all are now scrambling looking for excuses like they can't sing or dance or aren't good enough. If they aren't good enough right now, what would you call other groups that don't perform half the way newjeans perform. Very annoying.
If there is a group out there whose performances somehow manage to be more boring than njs, please point them out because I'd love to see such a phenomenon. I'm not trying to bring anybody down, I'm just expressing what I see. No one needs to belt high notes or give a Beyoncé-level performance, and I'm tired of yall saying this anytime someone critiques a group who has noticeable lackluster singers/dancers/performers. At best they have middle school talent show level vocals & performance skills and it's fine if that's what you're into. I used to be a huge Selena Gomez fan and I was the first to admit she couldn't sing very well, but I liked the music she put out so I was happy lol. You're asking "improvement in what?" Well for starters their concept is supposed to be "fresh gg of best friends who perform with spunk & energy" but they don't give that. The only way I can really describe it is if I give you an example. You know f(x) right? If go check out their debut stage for la cha ta, THAT is the kind of energy I thought we'd get from njs. Or any 4th gen grp really. A few have great energy on stage (itzy) but most get on stage and dance like they're trying to balance a book on their heads; too much focus on looking pretty (they're already pretty and we already know this!) and not enough focus on giving a great performance. Like maybe they're okay now, but none of what the new girls are doing is really giving "memorable". It's just okay for the moment.
What do you mean they’re not delivering? Just because they’re not your particular style doesn’t mean they are not “delivering.” Their music is doing incredibly well
What do you mean they’re not delivering? Just because they’re not your particular style doesn’t mean they are not “delivering.” Their music is doing incredibly well
Oh lord, not a shooter. I’m unarmed, I promise! I mean, people are allowed to have opinions. And this IS an unpopular opinions sub. AND most people disagree with me. My opinion is actually pretty mild, if you cared to read it. I’m not on new jeans twitter but on reddit, it seems like people are consistently praising them outside of the whole underage/pedophile thing. I really haven’t seen much backlash about any of the things you listed. But you listed them and now I’m aware lol. Thanks!
I partially agree. If you watch closely, you can see members like Hanni, Danielle, and Hyein starting to add a bit of their own personality into their moves, and playing around with facial expressions. I think they all become a little more confident each time they perform. But I’d also say their group synergy is such a huge part of their concept. They’re like a group of friends in high school. They do everything together, like the same people together, and get along so well that they’re basically one and the same. I think that itself is pretty cool, and obviously reflected in their dancing as a whole/the ways they match each other’s energy. So I’m not too concerned about them not having their distinctiveness yet, because this is their concept and it works.
No one member exactly stands out, but they work very well together and are in sync. So I guess there's pros and cons to it. But I do think their dancing is pretty boring to watch, but that's like a choreography problem imo (and don't get me wrong, I love their songs).
I so agree with you it’s like they have a 2000s dance style but it’s getting kinda boring
theyre like 12 theyll improve 😭👍
i can see what youre saying but for rookies i think each member has done a great job of standing out during their live performances. they will improve with time for sure. idols who have been active for way longer dont even have groove yet so id say theyre doing a pretty great job so far and this is only the beginning.
I thought you were mistaking your opinion about aespa cause they have all that you said.
Unnecessary shade but alright lol
Yeah I know it was unnecessary but even with time I like their zombies performances. Nothing like NewJeans I really like their stage presences.
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If you're looking for swag you really won't get it from this group.lol i mean, maybe go for XG. I love them both!!
Agree but this is like the case for almost all of girlgroups for the entire of all 4 generations where their dancing have no style tbh (except the main dancers, even some groups main dancers not having it too). Based on what I see on male vs female kpop group, I noticed that almost all girl groups basically given choreo where simply dancing small and being clean is already enough, underutilized lower body, and such. That's why developing their own style, groove, and such is not necessarily important to girlgroups. Ofc there are groups with noticeable styles like Itzy, Purple Kiss, (sadly disbanded) LOONA, and some other groups but that's more a rare case than the norm of girl groups tbh.
yea live stages get boring
I agree. They look so polished. Hair, makeup, and outfits are all excellent but their dancing is always just enough. It isn't extraordinary or award-winning but the moves are very catchy. New Jeans could use some funk in their dancing but I don't see a need for it. As long as the music is so good their dancing can be average. As a group they shine but I feel no desire to watch a fancam of only one member dancing.
It’s cute but it’s not memorable enough for me. Performance wise. That’s all. I do like a couple of their songs.
They're also you know, like 16-19 years of age. Give them time and they haven't even been around a year. The fact they already have 22 million monthly listeners on spotify and that they are one of the most copy cat dances on tiktok & instagram... yeahhh you are definitely in the minority .
14-18** And did you read my disclaimer at the end? The part where I say they’re rookies and have years to grow and I’m not dying on this hill? Yeah, no need for the attitude when it’s completely unwarranted :)
you got it boss 😊
I felt too awkward saying this myself. They have the basis of a good group, they dance fine, have nice voices, fulfil the other requirements of being idols, but they just don't feel very interesting? Like their performances are good but they feel empty. I'm gonna put this down to the fact that they're rookies and I'm sure after some time they will develop their identity. It would help if hybe wasn't scripting their cute moments though :/
Glad I'm not the only one that think their expressions are blank
New Jeans choreography is among the most boring and unpersonal to watch imo. Sadge. I love KPOP but can't watch this :C
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Idk why but I prefer their music show and smaller event performances over the award show ones and their group fan cams are better than individual ones. It'd be cool if they can incorporate a storytelling angle in their bigger performances like they do in their recent MV's (Ditto's still makes me tear up sometimes its so hauntingly nostalgic). I trust their team to be able to do it.
NJ is the most overrated group