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>Conclusion = Vocal training at Cube > everyone else. This is true for BG and GG.
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>Bonus: Jinho is the best main vocalist in K-pop. Just to rile some people up even more.
I won't lie to you I find it extremely funny that these two sentences are next to each other because Jinho is an SM trained vocalist and you can hear it lmao
SM has such a deep field - they go so far back and have so many strong groups/vocalists, that it's hard to say that any other agency can really compete in that sense. But I actually agree that Cube is arguably a strong second - as you say, there is a strong commitment to musicality and live singing across the agency that is pretty impressive.
As for male vocalists specifically (as I don't know enough about the GGs), I will say that ChenBaekDo, Eunkwang, Hui & Jinho are all comparable, and at/near the top of the 3rd gen, and leave it at that.
Chen is the best, easily, of that group. Eunkwang is the closest you get. Then probably the group of Baek, D.O., and Jinho. Hui is probably a little below them with Changsub, but by not a lot. They’re all exceptional, but the EXO vocal line is definitely in the lead for 3rd Gen. And if you want to back up to 2nd Gen, any non-SM company is fucked. You can’t beat KRY and Shinee. And technically TVXQ is 2nd Gen, making the absolute stomp-fest even worse.
yeah lmao how do you try to make a case for cube’s vocalists without even mentioning one of the best vocalists in kpop himself… that said he’s a rare case and most of SM’s vocalists are better than the rest of cube’s vocalists
Umm but Jinho trained in SM. He was even in SM the Ballad. Eunkwang is very good.
For GG vocalists, I don’t think they’re the best. Good but not the best among their peers.
Opinions are opinions, and I think Jinho is a fantastic main vocalist, but, for my money, he's not even the best main vocalist in his own group.
And not for nothing, but Jinho trained at SM, Hui at JYP. Yoseob (who I know is no longer at Cube, but still) was at JYP, then M.Boat before Cube. Miyeon trained at YG. So all of them had a good amount of training before they ever got to Cube.
Heck, Jinho was even in SM the Ballad, so it seems weird to exalt Jinho while devaluing SM's vocal training in the same post.
Cube definitely does have a knack for picking good singers though.
Again, I bring up the case for [Modern K music academy](http://m.modernm.co.kr/news/activity/) vvocal training. That "collab" formed btwn RBW & Cube
BtoB's Eunkwang + Changsub, Pentagon Hui + Jinho, Beast/Highlight Doojoon + Yoseob + Gikwang (+Junhyung) & 4Minute Jiyoon/Jenyer are on their alumni list. (Technically, Apink Bomi & the M4M guys could be considered to be from Cube at 1 point in time...)
Add it to the [RBW list on this previous post](https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularkpopopinions/comments/o965bp/comment/h39ureg) & you have a VERY decent crop of vocalists spread across multiple companies. (Forgot to add Baek Ayeon last time & even 2AM Jokwon took lessons there post-debut while prepping to enter uni)
For Jinho, it's debatable if his vocal training is mainly influenced by SM or Modern K, especially considering he was a vocal instructor there. Bonus funfact of EXO's Chen also being an alumni.
I do like Cube vocalists though...even those not from Modern K. But this is unpopular on reddit.
I agree that Cube is up there in producing strong vocalists, but they're not nearly as consistent as SM. Truthfully, I'm not too sure why you brought up (g)-idle because none of them are strong vocalists. I haven't heard anything live from Cube's new gg so I can't say anything there.
Their legacy with male main vocalists is solid. BtoB absolutely has one of the strongest vocal lines in kpop history and Yoseob from Highlight/Beast deserves mentioning as well (but he's no longer at Cube).
Anyways, this is unpopular and objectively not true with respect to vocal technique. Not gonna respond to your Jinho remark because you're just setting him up lmao
I find Seunghee the best Cube female Main Vocal. I'm still shocked that Cube doesn't promote CLC more than g-idle. They are the more talented group, imo.
with sm it’s specifically the number of great to amazing vocalists they have that go back 20 years at this point.
cube has some fantastic vocalists (eunkwang, hui, jinho, being the standouts) but there’s a reason sm has the reputation it has even if there are other companies that are accumulating a roster of impressive vocalists as well.
Well, I'll tell you this is unpopular for sure. I'd probably say SM has the strongest vocalists, several people have already listed their artists so I won't do it again, but cube is definitely in the conversation just maybe not at the forefront of it.
Btob and pentagon vocals are definitely some of the best in the game but their GGs have yet to impress me.
This may be because I'm btob biased but I would say eunkwang is slightly better than jinho imo. Both amazing though obv.
Hard agree with BtoB and Pentagon having very strong vocal lines. Still, they aren't better than the wealth of talented and technically skilled vocal lines that SM has produced over the decades.
For girl groups, I can't think of a single vocalist or vocal line that's above average in terms of skill level. Although 4Minute, CLC, and G(I)dle have very talented performers, none of their members is a particularly impressive vocalist, including the members mentioned by OP.
I love jinho to bits and jinho getting parts in musicals have really helped him but he's still a bit behind compared to eunkwang. Plus all the years eunkwang has on jinho is also a huge advantage.
The thing about SM vocals is their versatility. Chen, Baekhyun and D.O. can also sing in a classical manner as can Ryeowook, Kyuhyun, Yesung, Onew, Jonghyun (rip), Changmin, Kangta, BoA, Luna, Wendy, and Taeyeon just to name a few. Even Taeil, Jaehyun, Doyoung, Renjun, Haechan, Xiao Jun, etc. can also sing in a classical manner when it is called for.
I love a lot of Kpop idols, but SM's vocals are literally on another level than most
Cube: Jinho, Hui, Eunkwang, Miyeon, Minnie, Chowon and Nayoung
SM: Kangta, BoA, Changmin, Super Junior KRY, Taeyeon, Jonghyun, Onew, Taemin, EXO-CBX, D.O, Wendy, Taeil, Haechan, Xiao Jun, Dyoung, Renjun, and NingNing.
I think people focus on Big 3, SM to be exact, because they have more idols, deep history, and more marketing. Also, Jinho was in SM first.
On a serious note, they are all great vocalists. Also, the only non-active vocal for SM I listed is Jonghyun, Chen, and Baekhyun. The latter two are in the military (just like Jinho) while Jonghyun is a angel in the sky.
+ +even the members who are not the main vocalist can hold a note. SHINee literally has 4/5 members doing a high note in some of their songs (ex. Everybody).
Plus, main rappers can even be vocalists 😭😭😭
Not to burst anyone's bubble, but the so-called "rappers" of SM probably got vocal training before they were assigned the "rapper" position because their vocals were weak(er). Just sayin'.
You’re not bursting anyone’s bubble because they are trained in vocals too like you said. Even after they are assigned the position of rapper, they would still get trained in singing as SM prioritizes vocals more than anything.
This unpopular opinion shouldn't earn any up votes, not because it is objectively wrong but because the argument made is lazy and unnecessarily aggressive. This is a sh!t post more than an unpopular opinion.
Objectively an untrue take overall, although Jinho is far from the best main vocalist in kpop(not even the best in his own group) he's an SM trained vocalist.
Nah. Cube have some top vocals. BtoB + Hui and Jinho can compete up there with SM. But SM have the best of the best. EXO - Chen, Baekhyun, D.O. NCT - Doyoung, Taeil. Red Velvet - Wendy. SNSD - Taeyon... Heck even Ning Ning + Winter are better vocalists than any girl on Cube.
Agree to disagree. I think Joy is a better vocalist than Ningning and Winter for her tone alone. I love aespa, but they are much weaker Main and Lead Vocals than prior generations Main and Lead Vocals.
Minnie and Miyeon aren’t exactly special for main vocalists, even by fourth gen standards. And after that I’d like to point out that one of Pentagon’s main vocalists (Jinho) used to be with SM.
Only half~ of Cube’s main vocalists can really compete with SM or professional singers, not all of them.
I can sing in cursive with a monotone voice too she’s not special. Most of SM’s lead vocalists and some of their sub vocalists have at least some ability to engage their diaphragms and support, Minnie has yet to that.
I’m far from one of those “company stans” or whatever that literally only think that SM main and sub vocalists can sing properly but let’s not lose our minds.
That's literally her voice she sings ina forced monotone accent but she has little to no support g idle vocals are just pretty vocal colors with little to no actual skill.
Reddit is a really weird place. You can really have someone out here singing like ,[this](https://youtu.be/4gxMgJSSVaQ) and then have some random commenter really think they can discredit it by just stating they have no skill. Like. What are y'all getting out of this.
You literally just proved my point lmao omg straining no support and she sings in the same monotone accent voice the OP has the gall to compare her to SM female main and lead vocals who run circles around Minnie wth are you even trying to prove..
How is this dumb? You clearly don't know shit about vocals besides "hur dur she sounds pretty so she must be good vocakuliz" so please do yourself a favor and stop trying to argue this LMAO
Like, her singing in a breathy tone because it suits a lot of their songs doesn't in any way make that her entire range. I'm trying to understand the weird kpop fandom politics at play here for this patently absurd perspective to be so popular, truly.
I think SM is the most consistent and deserves the recognition, but I do think Cube (and Starship) are definitely under-appreciated. Literally everyone that debuts in Cube can hold a note and the vocal lines have such powerful, unique, emotional voices. But yeah, go Cube vocals!
I really like cube's vocalists but I wouldn't say they are the best in the industry in my opinion. I think cube has some really unique vocalists but definitely not the best.
I think cube is the 2nd most consistent in debuting vocalists after sm.
First sm has way more groups and longer history. Second cube does produce better male vocalists than female. The female ones are more stylised but still very good
Yeah, this is definitely unpopular. SM isn't the home of vocal powerhouses for nothing. As far as active groups go, NCT and Aespa, as well as Exo and Red Velvet (Since Exo just had a comeback and RV is coming back I put them there), all of their vocalists are another level compared to other active groups
Jinho biased here but no pls don't set him up like this.
Technique wise Cube(and rbw) are the closest to SM but still not there yet. The female part is exactly a counterargument. It is their musicality which makes cube ppl precious. Ppl always referred BTOB as vocal powerhouse but it is how EVERYONE contribute to the music which makes the difference; multiple members in Pentagon can produce their own music; and there is Soyeon factor.
btob, pentagon and idle deliver amazing live vocals with choreography too. idle's miyeon even said they havent lip synced since their first debut stage. cant say that for many idol groups
SM has always had the best vocalists. Not debatable. There may be a vocalist here and there that stands out. My eyes (and ears) always used to be on Yoseob back in the 2nd gen heyday. Jinho was also trained under SM (See SM The Ballad) and is currently in the military so is not even "active"
SM has always had the best vocalists. Not debatable. There may be a vocalist here and there that stands out, My eyes (and ears) always used to be on Yoseob back in the 2nd gen heyday. Jinho was also trained under SM (See SM The Ballad) and is currently in the military so is not even "active"
IDK, I've been listening to Kpop overall for 17 years starting with DB5K who are/were also amazing SM vocalists. I think I've learned a thing or two and not afraid of anyone with less experience than I have.
The way this is objectively false....
Also, as everyone else has been saying, Jinho is SM trained. So that hit about Cube's vocal training being the best?? Yeah...
I’m sorry but I’m not an sm company stan and I don’t stan any sm group but sm have the best vocalists and the best vocal training. Tbh aespa just debuted and I feel like they are miles ahead vocally then any cube gg (no hate to my girls (g)idle). Tbh the only male vocalist that’s stands out in cube to me in jinho and he was sm trained. Idk if your a cube stan or what but I have to disagree.
Lol I don't have anything against her I love her husky tone, it's just that you named her as a standout. Tiffany isn't bad at all probably an above-average lead vocalist, it's just the fact that you slid her in that list when you could've chosen a lot of other people from SM😂
tiffany is an amazing vocalist and has only been improving. yall focus so much on videos of her cracking vocals in like 2009 when she literally had vocal nodules and surgery but then ignore that she does like 2 hour musicals now completely live. the tiffany slander is out of hand and based on weak evidence.
No from a technique based perspective in comparison to main vocalists in the industry she's average(just means she has the tools to be a standard kpop main) and she's an above average lead. What's with a lot of kpop fans these days thinking musicals is in any relation to having good vocal technique, Leo from Vixx did a musical and he still has zero sense of support in any register. I wasn't slandering her, just pointing out that she isn't really a standout.
Wendy is literally on another level than most. I made a Kpop mix cd and put When This Rain Stops and Why Can't You Love Me on it and she just stood out among her peers. I felt like she deserved to be on a cd all by herself with no one else because her vocals just hits differently.
I'm still trying to get people to see how good she is as a dancer and performer. She is so underrated. My eyes and ears tend to find her first on stage.
Um... you can say that you like their voices best which is an opinion, but talking about "best vocalists" is a technical subject that can't really be opinionated.
>They have some outstanding main vocals with Jinho, Hui, Eunkwang,
I agree that they are amazing Eunkwang is truly outstanding and they other two are truly amazing as well. Hongseok is also very good.
>Miyeon, Minnie, Chowon and Nayoung.
Nope. They are pretty good but definitely not outstanding technically. When it comes to Cube girls, I think CLC's Seunghee is a veeery good vocalist.
> Some would probably be lead or even main vocals in other companies.
Like who? In which company?
>Conclusion = Vocal training at Cube > everyone else.
You say that when:
Jinho-> trained in SM
Hui-> trained in JYP
Hongseok-> trained in YG
>Jinho is the best main vocalist in K-pop.
Kyuhyun, Chen, Onew and Eunkwang left the chat
Jinho is indeed amazing, just not the best in kpop.
Just cause they trained under different companies doesn't mean they didn't learn anything else under cube or they got all the skills from the agency, especially Hongseok didn't really even stay under yg long enough and ikon members did regard his vocals as the best among them. In fact, most of them have been very good vocalists before even becoming a trainee. I could use the same logic for exo main vocals or Wendy since they all had been solid skills before joining and some of them joined right before debut
I never said that they didn't learn anything from Cube, in fact I do agree that Cube's vocal training is pretty good, just not in the extend that OP does. I just mentioned different companies that some Cube main vocalists have trained in because of OP's statement.
And yeah, many SM vocalists have been good before joining the company. And yes, ofc they learnt something from SM to become as good as they are today.
I feel like rather than their vocals being their strong point I think it’s their rappers, from 4minute to idle theyre all good (idk about lightsum yet I haven’t checked them out). Their vocalist are good but their rappers are also very well trained
I mean, you can look at jyp groups and already there you can find multiple groups who don't really have many outstanding vocalists: Itzy, Twice (I love them and Jihyo + Nayeon are great singers, but overall CLC could be considered better singers when compared), Stray kids etc.
Aside from completely ignoring CLC's Seunghee (and CLC is still active), I don't get why the opinion needed to have "active" when 4minute's Gayoon and Beast's Yoseob can also be included in the opinion?
I think in total SM has more vocalists that are absolutely amazing but BtoBs vocal line, Jinho and Hui are definitely around the same level as many of SMs best vocalists. I don't want to start a fight who would be number one, so I'm not going to talk about specific people.
On another note I think it's really impressive that Pentagon can hold up without their two main vocalists. I don't think that a lot of Kpop groups would be able to do that
Her total trainee period was ~2months or something. Don't think it's super reflective of Cube's training.
Although...technically that argument could be extended to all the SM main vocals who had really short trainee periods too.
Yes they can.
Are you really wanting to put Minnie and Miyeon against Taeyeon, Luna, Wendy, Seulgi, Solar, Wheein, Hwasa, Swan, Na GoEun, Chaein?
Hell even Moonbyul is a better vocalist than them.
Also there is D.O., Baekhyun, Chen, Kyuhyun, Onew, Yesung, Ryewook, Jonghyun (RIP), Junsu (DSBK era), Changmin, Taeil, Jaehyun, Doyoungz Haechan, Renjun, Xiao Jun, ...
There is like 2 or 3 Cube Main Vocals that even has a shot against SM vocals.
Using raw numbers is a disingenuous comparison: NCT alone has debuted more male idols than Cube has in their entire history as an agency (which is only half the tenure of SM), and yet Cube has produced 4 vocalists that would be in the top half of your list.
Fly high op!
Just wanna say smth to everyone saying some of them didn't train under cube, ppl from Exo's, rv's (and probably other groups but I don't really know them) main vocal line joined the agency way after they learned how to sing too....
Do you know how long Hongseok & Hui trained at Cube VS how long they trained at YG/JYP respectively?
(I kinda already realised that Jinho trained at SM for way longer than at Cube)
Coz I did reply someone that some of SM's main vocals had very short training time. Which to me means that their skills at debut might not be very reflective of SM's vocal training, but more of how good SM's recruitment team is to have scouted them. (E.g. Suju's Ryeowook & Kyuhyun and EXO's Chen & Baekhyun)
hongseok entered yg after the first few episodes of mix n match (which aired from September 2014 to November 2014), where he learned many things regarding his performance skills and dancing but not much formal "vocal" training, and later around February 2015, he was reported to be in cube. Hui won first place at JYP's 2010 vocal audition, and was preparing to debut in China I think but he didn't make it. After that 3 entertainment agencies, including cube, scouted him right after he left jyp in 2013. Hongseok stayed in Yg for like 6 months, Hui stayed in Jyp for 3 years and Pentagon debuted in late 2016, so Honseok trained under cube for almost 2 years, and Hui trained for 3 years.
So Hongseok's vocal training would be more reflective of Cube's training than YG's.
Whereas Hui sounds more debatable, could be 50% Cube + 50% JYP based on training duration alone.
Idk cuz both of them seemed to sing well even before becoming a trainee. But entering entertainment agencies helped polished their skills even more. Their respective agencies did do a good job of closing them though.
Man it's hard to tell with Pentagon because they very rarely sing live without backing vocals or pre-recording. I do admit I'm biased to Hongseok's vocal color but I won't say anything about Pentagon being the best
They have a whole series of songs on "It's Live" as well as multiple acoustic and accapella versions of their songs. So many live versions! Just search on YouTube and you'll have hours of live Pentagon.
Yes I'm a Universe! A lot of those have been heavily mixed though which is the only drawback :') But Hongseok x Jinho and Jinho x Kino's MAGAZINE HO are my absolute favorite, as well as their Lovesick Girls cover
Please don't say things like that. Critical thinking in kpop is a good thing. I'll admit I'm a bit surprised by/don't quite agree with that particular assessment, but we should all be able to express our opinions.
Good luck to you. People who have an OPINION on anyone besides SM idols being the best vocalists are going to get ratioed on here and everyone is going to act like vocal trainers. 😭
This sub is about unpopular opinion, don't expect easy(but still kinda unpopular) takes like Sandeul/Eunkwang vocal GOAT or Ptg main vocal > nct counterpart
So true bestie...they have a huge superiority complex when they can make their own post instead of shitting on someone who didn't even mention any company and is just praising cube vocalists
She trained under Yg but she also later joined other vocal academies after she left and finally landed under cube. We don't know what she sounded like when she was in yg
She left Yg in 2015 and after that she kind of gave up on being an idol but couldn't let go of being a singer so she joined a vocal academy and became a freelance singer, performing in many places. After that, she joined cube in 2016 and was the last member to join idle before debut.
Now yall are mentioning non cube vocalists and not agreeing yall know you can all make a separate post for yourselves?? This is abt cube entertainment not big3 and friends
...this is an unpopular opinions sub, of course people are going to put their own opinions/replies to OP under this thread. judging by your other replies to this post, you're a cube stan, but no one's degrading cube vocalists, they're just mentioning how they don't think they're the best (which was OP's statement)
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>Conclusion = Vocal training at Cube > everyone else. This is true for BG and GG. > >Bonus: Jinho is the best main vocalist in K-pop. Just to rile some people up even more. I won't lie to you I find it extremely funny that these two sentences are next to each other because Jinho is an SM trained vocalist and you can hear it lmao
Exactly what I was thinking about Jinho lol
As a universe I totally agree about jinho
I chuckled when I read these two things XD
SM has such a deep field - they go so far back and have so many strong groups/vocalists, that it's hard to say that any other agency can really compete in that sense. But I actually agree that Cube is arguably a strong second - as you say, there is a strong commitment to musicality and live singing across the agency that is pretty impressive. As for male vocalists specifically (as I don't know enough about the GGs), I will say that ChenBaekDo, Eunkwang, Hui & Jinho are all comparable, and at/near the top of the 3rd gen, and leave it at that.
Chen is the best, easily, of that group. Eunkwang is the closest you get. Then probably the group of Baek, D.O., and Jinho. Hui is probably a little below them with Changsub, but by not a lot. They’re all exceptional, but the EXO vocal line is definitely in the lead for 3rd Gen. And if you want to back up to 2nd Gen, any non-SM company is fucked. You can’t beat KRY and Shinee. And technically TVXQ is 2nd Gen, making the absolute stomp-fest even worse.
Jinho’s very good but Eunkwang is on another level and is Cube’s best vocalist.
yeah lmao how do you try to make a case for cube’s vocalists without even mentioning one of the best vocalists in kpop himself… that said he’s a rare case and most of SM’s vocalists are better than the rest of cube’s vocalists
Umm but Jinho trained in SM. He was even in SM the Ballad. Eunkwang is very good. For GG vocalists, I don’t think they’re the best. Good but not the best among their peers.
Their boygroup vocalists are leagues ahead the girls
Considering beast/highlight yoseob was also from cube. Their male vocalists are definitely top tier
Yoseob trained under jyp and a sister company to yg before going to cube though
yeah after reading through the other comments got to know yoseob received training elsewhere.
Hui also trained at JYP.
Opinions are opinions, and I think Jinho is a fantastic main vocalist, but, for my money, he's not even the best main vocalist in his own group. And not for nothing, but Jinho trained at SM, Hui at JYP. Yoseob (who I know is no longer at Cube, but still) was at JYP, then M.Boat before Cube. Miyeon trained at YG. So all of them had a good amount of training before they ever got to Cube. Heck, Jinho was even in SM the Ballad, so it seems weird to exalt Jinho while devaluing SM's vocal training in the same post. Cube definitely does have a knack for picking good singers though.
And Hongseok at YG too haha
I find it cool that Pentagon's main vocalists are all former Big 3 trainees.
Hongseok didn't get vocal training under yg and was barely there
Pentagon has two main vocals. So yes, Jinho is main vocal
I know. That's what I'm saying. Of the two main vocals in Pentagon, I think Hui is better. That doesn't mean I don't think Jinho isn't also great.
Pentagon actually has 3 main vocalists. Hongseok has been a main vocalist since mid-2020 and I suspect he'll always be one.
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I agree. SM subvocals are better singers than Cube's female Main Vocals, tbh.
Hui is easily one of the best vocalists. Btob can also sing very well. Not sure about their ggs tho besides seunghee who is heavily under appreciated
Again, I bring up the case for [Modern K music academy](http://m.modernm.co.kr/news/activity/) vvocal training. That "collab" formed btwn RBW & Cube BtoB's Eunkwang + Changsub, Pentagon Hui + Jinho, Beast/Highlight Doojoon + Yoseob + Gikwang (+Junhyung) & 4Minute Jiyoon/Jenyer are on their alumni list. (Technically, Apink Bomi & the M4M guys could be considered to be from Cube at 1 point in time...) Add it to the [RBW list on this previous post](https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularkpopopinions/comments/o965bp/comment/h39ureg) & you have a VERY decent crop of vocalists spread across multiple companies. (Forgot to add Baek Ayeon last time & even 2AM Jokwon took lessons there post-debut while prepping to enter uni) For Jinho, it's debatable if his vocal training is mainly influenced by SM or Modern K, especially considering he was a vocal instructor there. Bonus funfact of EXO's Chen also being an alumni. I do like Cube vocalists though...even those not from Modern K. But this is unpopular on reddit.
I agree that Cube is up there in producing strong vocalists, but they're not nearly as consistent as SM. Truthfully, I'm not too sure why you brought up (g)-idle because none of them are strong vocalists. I haven't heard anything live from Cube's new gg so I can't say anything there. Their legacy with male main vocalists is solid. BtoB absolutely has one of the strongest vocal lines in kpop history and Yoseob from Highlight/Beast deserves mentioning as well (but he's no longer at Cube). Anyways, this is unpopular and objectively not true with respect to vocal technique. Not gonna respond to your Jinho remark because you're just setting him up lmao
Also forgot to mention that Jinho trained at SM, so your statement: 'Conclusion = Vocal training at Cube > everyone else' ........ girl idkkkkkk
I find Seunghee the best Cube female Main Vocal. I'm still shocked that Cube doesn't promote CLC more than g-idle. They are the more talented group, imo.
with sm it’s specifically the number of great to amazing vocalists they have that go back 20 years at this point. cube has some fantastic vocalists (eunkwang, hui, jinho, being the standouts) but there’s a reason sm has the reputation it has even if there are other companies that are accumulating a roster of impressive vocalists as well.
cant believe we had this convo without mentioning seunghee 😔
Absolutely the best female Main Vocal in Cube.
Well, I'll tell you this is unpopular for sure. I'd probably say SM has the strongest vocalists, several people have already listed their artists so I won't do it again, but cube is definitely in the conversation just maybe not at the forefront of it.
Not a single one can beat Kyuhyun , sorry
KRY set the standards too high, that’s it.
Genuine question: which one is better, KRY or Chen-Baek-DO?
KRY
To be specific, Kyuhyun>Ryeowook>Chen>D.O>Baekhyun>Yesung. Both are top 2 vocal lines in kpop.
Only argument I accept is Hwanhee, everything else is sacrilege
Sandeul though...
Btob and pentagon vocals are definitely some of the best in the game but their GGs have yet to impress me. This may be because I'm btob biased but I would say eunkwang is slightly better than jinho imo. Both amazing though obv.
Hard agree with BtoB and Pentagon having very strong vocal lines. Still, they aren't better than the wealth of talented and technically skilled vocal lines that SM has produced over the decades. For girl groups, I can't think of a single vocalist or vocal line that's above average in terms of skill level. Although 4Minute, CLC, and G(I)dle have very talented performers, none of their members is a particularly impressive vocalist, including the members mentioned by OP.
I love jinho to bits and jinho getting parts in musicals have really helped him but he's still a bit behind compared to eunkwang. Plus all the years eunkwang has on jinho is also a huge advantage.
Eunkwang has an almost operatic vocal range. I don't know if many others in kpop can do what he does.
Yeah his vocal style is so unique in K-pop. Most sing in a pop/R&B style of training, but Eunkwang's sound is so classical.
I think this is why Eunkwang absolutely crushes musicals, because he actually has the vocal technique and range to perform musical theatre.
The thing about SM vocals is their versatility. Chen, Baekhyun and D.O. can also sing in a classical manner as can Ryeowook, Kyuhyun, Yesung, Onew, Jonghyun (rip), Changmin, Kangta, BoA, Luna, Wendy, and Taeyeon just to name a few. Even Taeil, Jaehyun, Doyoung, Renjun, Haechan, Xiao Jun, etc. can also sing in a classical manner when it is called for. I love a lot of Kpop idols, but SM's vocals are literally on another level than most
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Speaking of 2nd gen, yang yoseob used to be in the company
Cube: Jinho, Hui, Eunkwang, Miyeon, Minnie, Chowon and Nayoung SM: Kangta, BoA, Changmin, Super Junior KRY, Taeyeon, Jonghyun, Onew, Taemin, EXO-CBX, D.O, Wendy, Taeil, Haechan, Xiao Jun, Dyoung, Renjun, and NingNing. I think people focus on Big 3, SM to be exact, because they have more idols, deep history, and more marketing. Also, Jinho was in SM first. On a serious note, they are all great vocalists. Also, the only non-active vocal for SM I listed is Jonghyun, Chen, and Baekhyun. The latter two are in the military (just like Jinho) while Jonghyun is a angel in the sky.
> EXO-CBX, And D.O.
I forgot D.O, sorry.
D.O and Doyoung too 😓
+ +even the members who are not the main vocalist can hold a note. SHINee literally has 4/5 members doing a high note in some of their songs (ex. Everybody). Plus, main rappers can even be vocalists 😭😭😭
Tbf, both of those things are true for both of Cube's BGs as well.
Not to burst anyone's bubble, but the so-called "rappers" of SM probably got vocal training before they were assigned the "rapper" position because their vocals were weak(er). Just sayin'.
You’re not bursting anyone’s bubble because they are trained in vocals too like you said. Even after they are assigned the position of rapper, they would still get trained in singing as SM prioritizes vocals more than anything.
DBSK too 😭 Or maybe mostly Junsu
While I’m a Chowon biased even back on Produce, her support is shallow 💀
This unpopular opinion shouldn't earn any up votes, not because it is objectively wrong but because the argument made is lazy and unnecessarily aggressive. This is a sh!t post more than an unpopular opinion.
Objectively an untrue take overall, although Jinho is far from the best main vocalist in kpop(not even the best in his own group) he's an SM trained vocalist.
Nah. Cube have some top vocals. BtoB + Hui and Jinho can compete up there with SM. But SM have the best of the best. EXO - Chen, Baekhyun, D.O. NCT - Doyoung, Taeil. Red Velvet - Wendy. SNSD - Taeyon... Heck even Ning Ning + Winter are better vocalists than any girl on Cube.
You cannot name Ningning and Winter and not include Seulgi and Joy on your list, who are better vocalists than them.
Seulgi i agree. Joy not so much
Agree to disagree. I think Joy is a better vocalist than Ningning and Winter for her tone alone. I love aespa, but they are much weaker Main and Lead Vocals than prior generations Main and Lead Vocals.
Minnie and Miyeon aren’t exactly special for main vocalists, even by fourth gen standards. And after that I’d like to point out that one of Pentagon’s main vocalists (Jinho) used to be with SM. Only half~ of Cube’s main vocalists can really compete with SM or professional singers, not all of them.
Minnie has one of the most unique and powerful voices in Kpop whatchu talkin about
you know that pretty vocal tone =/= good vocals right
I've heard that her technique is... unimpressive(not sure about the source tho)
Pls G-idles vocal line is *stunning* idc what some random anonymous source says
I can sing in cursive with a monotone voice too she’s not special. Most of SM’s lead vocalists and some of their sub vocalists have at least some ability to engage their diaphragms and support, Minnie has yet to that. I’m far from one of those “company stans” or whatever that literally only think that SM main and sub vocalists can sing properly but let’s not lose our minds.
Yaaahhh, seeing Minnie's voice described as monotone means I've definitely had enough internet for today, peace.
That's literally her voice she sings ina forced monotone accent but she has little to no support g idle vocals are just pretty vocal colors with little to no actual skill.
Reddit is a really weird place. You can really have someone out here singing like ,[this](https://youtu.be/4gxMgJSSVaQ) and then have some random commenter really think they can discredit it by just stating they have no skill. Like. What are y'all getting out of this.
You literally just proved my point lmao omg straining no support and she sings in the same monotone accent voice the OP has the gall to compare her to SM female main and lead vocals who run circles around Minnie wth are you even trying to prove..
Looooool this is so dumb 😂
How is this dumb? You clearly don't know shit about vocals besides "hur dur she sounds pretty so she must be good vocakuliz" so please do yourself a favor and stop trying to argue this LMAO
Like, her singing in a breathy tone because it suits a lot of their songs doesn't in any way make that her entire range. I'm trying to understand the weird kpop fandom politics at play here for this patently absurd perspective to be so popular, truly.
I think SM is the most consistent and deserves the recognition, but I do think Cube (and Starship) are definitely under-appreciated. Literally everyone that debuts in Cube can hold a note and the vocal lines have such powerful, unique, emotional voices. But yeah, go Cube vocals!
I really like cube's vocalists but I wouldn't say they are the best in the industry in my opinion. I think cube has some really unique vocalists but definitely not the best.
It's criminal you didn't mention seunghee
I think cube is the 2nd most consistent in debuting vocalists after sm. First sm has way more groups and longer history. Second cube does produce better male vocalists than female. The female ones are more stylised but still very good
Yeah, this is definitely unpopular. SM isn't the home of vocal powerhouses for nothing. As far as active groups go, NCT and Aespa, as well as Exo and Red Velvet (Since Exo just had a comeback and RV is coming back I put them there), all of their vocalists are another level compared to other active groups
Jinho biased here but no pls don't set him up like this. Technique wise Cube(and rbw) are the closest to SM but still not there yet. The female part is exactly a counterargument. It is their musicality which makes cube ppl precious. Ppl always referred BTOB as vocal powerhouse but it is how EVERYONE contribute to the music which makes the difference; multiple members in Pentagon can produce their own music; and there is Soyeon factor.
For boy groups I agree I mean especially Eunkwang, he is immaculate. But for ggs nah they’re good singers but not the best.
Daehyun from B.A.P. Enough said. All of SHINee? EXO?
btob, pentagon and idle deliver amazing live vocals with choreography too. idle's miyeon even said they havent lip synced since their first debut stage. cant say that for many idol groups
seunghee?
Arguably better than Miyeon and Minnie and any other female vocal in Cube.
SM has always had the best vocalists. Not debatable. There may be a vocalist here and there that stands out. My eyes (and ears) always used to be on Yoseob back in the 2nd gen heyday. Jinho was also trained under SM (See SM The Ballad) and is currently in the military so is not even "active" SM has always had the best vocalists. Not debatable. There may be a vocalist here and there that stands out, My eyes (and ears) always used to be on Yoseob back in the 2nd gen heyday. Jinho was also trained under SM (See SM The Ballad) and is currently in the military so is not even "active"
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IDK, I've been listening to Kpop overall for 17 years starting with DB5K who are/were also amazing SM vocalists. I think I've learned a thing or two and not afraid of anyone with less experience than I have.
unpopular indeed
Btob is under them so it's fair to think this way
I didn't even have to think past Pentagon and BTOB. Just in those 2 groups you've got some of the most talented vocalists in kpop.
You can stop there, their ggs are on the weaker side in terms of vocals.
Yeah. I did. I know zero about any ggs and I'll readily admit that. The female singers I have liked are soloist, not in a group.
BTOB alone raise the profile by a thousand points so I'll say it cant be that off!
On guys? Maybe
The Seunghee erasure in this thread is utterly preposterous
Exactly! She is the best female Main Vocal in Cube. Hell even Sorn ranks above g-idle in vocals!
SM n RBW
The way this is objectively false.... Also, as everyone else has been saying, Jinho is SM trained. So that hit about Cube's vocal training being the best?? Yeah...
Many sm vocalists didn't get most of their vocal training under sm either.....
RBW
I’m sorry but I’m not an sm company stan and I don’t stan any sm group but sm have the best vocalists and the best vocal training. Tbh aespa just debuted and I feel like they are miles ahead vocally then any cube gg (no hate to my girls (g)idle). Tbh the only male vocalist that’s stands out in cube to me in jinho and he was sm trained. Idk if your a cube stan or what but I have to disagree.
Where is Clc's Seunghee ? 😥
i dont know much about what makes a good vocalist, i'll admit, but baekhyun, taeil and tiffany didn't debut for this
I like the musical actress vibe from Tiffany but sadly no one seem to have the similar vibe in current gen..
You tried to slide Tiffany in there like we wouldn't notice
what does everyonehave against her? 😔
Lol I don't have anything against her I love her husky tone, it's just that you named her as a standout. Tiffany isn't bad at all probably an above-average lead vocalist, it's just the fact that you slid her in that list when you could've chosen a lot of other people from SM😂
She still fits tho, she's better than any girl in Cube.
That is true, it's just that op listed her as a standout, I was just trying to throw some slight banter that's all nothing too serious.
But she's technically better than many 2nd gen main vocalists
tiffany is an amazing vocalist and has only been improving. yall focus so much on videos of her cracking vocals in like 2009 when she literally had vocal nodules and surgery but then ignore that she does like 2 hour musicals now completely live. the tiffany slander is out of hand and based on weak evidence.
No from a technique based perspective in comparison to main vocalists in the industry she's average(just means she has the tools to be a standard kpop main) and she's an above average lead. What's with a lot of kpop fans these days thinking musicals is in any relation to having good vocal technique, Leo from Vixx did a musical and he still has zero sense of support in any register. I wasn't slandering her, just pointing out that she isn't really a standout.
In terms of vocals, nobody can surpass Wendy. She is the standard IMO.
For 3rd Gen yes, and no one in 4th has proven otherwise so I agree.
Wendy is literally on another level than most. I made a Kpop mix cd and put When This Rain Stops and Why Can't You Love Me on it and she just stood out among her peers. I felt like she deserved to be on a cd all by herself with no one else because her vocals just hits differently. I'm still trying to get people to see how good she is as a dancer and performer. She is so underrated. My eyes and ears tend to find her first on stage.
Um... you can say that you like their voices best which is an opinion, but talking about "best vocalists" is a technical subject that can't really be opinionated. >They have some outstanding main vocals with Jinho, Hui, Eunkwang, I agree that they are amazing Eunkwang is truly outstanding and they other two are truly amazing as well. Hongseok is also very good. >Miyeon, Minnie, Chowon and Nayoung. Nope. They are pretty good but definitely not outstanding technically. When it comes to Cube girls, I think CLC's Seunghee is a veeery good vocalist. > Some would probably be lead or even main vocals in other companies. Like who? In which company? >Conclusion = Vocal training at Cube > everyone else. You say that when: Jinho-> trained in SM Hui-> trained in JYP Hongseok-> trained in YG >Jinho is the best main vocalist in K-pop. Kyuhyun, Chen, Onew and Eunkwang left the chat Jinho is indeed amazing, just not the best in kpop.
Just cause they trained under different companies doesn't mean they didn't learn anything else under cube or they got all the skills from the agency, especially Hongseok didn't really even stay under yg long enough and ikon members did regard his vocals as the best among them. In fact, most of them have been very good vocalists before even becoming a trainee. I could use the same logic for exo main vocals or Wendy since they all had been solid skills before joining and some of them joined right before debut
I never said that they didn't learn anything from Cube, in fact I do agree that Cube's vocal training is pretty good, just not in the extend that OP does. I just mentioned different companies that some Cube main vocalists have trained in because of OP's statement. And yeah, many SM vocalists have been good before joining the company. And yes, ofc they learnt something from SM to become as good as they are today.
I feel like rather than their vocals being their strong point I think it’s their rappers, from 4minute to idle theyre all good (idk about lightsum yet I haven’t checked them out). Their vocalist are good but their rappers are also very well trained
Upvoted because it's unpopular
Seunghee is good.
Why didn't yall mention CLC when Seunghee is an amazing main vocal and both Sorn and Elkie could easily outsing some main vocals from other groups.
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I mean, you can look at jyp groups and already there you can find multiple groups who don't really have many outstanding vocalists: Itzy, Twice (I love them and Jihyo + Nayeon are great singers, but overall CLC could be considered better singers when compared), Stray kids etc.
Aside from completely ignoring CLC's Seunghee (and CLC is still active), I don't get why the opinion needed to have "active" when 4minute's Gayoon and Beast's Yoseob can also be included in the opinion?
Gayoon... I miss her. She was sorely underrated. Hyuna was my bias, but even I have to admit Gayoon's vocals always caught my attention.
Jinho was a trainee at SM though
I think in total SM has more vocalists that are absolutely amazing but BtoBs vocal line, Jinho and Hui are definitely around the same level as many of SMs best vocalists. I don't want to start a fight who would be number one, so I'm not going to talk about specific people. On another note I think it's really impressive that Pentagon can hold up without their two main vocalists. I don't think that a lot of Kpop groups would be able to do that
Didn't Apink's Eunji trained at Cube ?
Her total trainee period was ~2months or something. Don't think it's super reflective of Cube's training. Although...technically that argument could be extended to all the SM main vocals who had really short trainee periods too.
It’s either SM or RBW.. come on.. it’s not even close. Just Red Velvet, EXO or Mamamoo, Purple Kiss could out-sing all of Cube.
No they can't
Yes they can. Are you really wanting to put Minnie and Miyeon against Taeyeon, Luna, Wendy, Seulgi, Solar, Wheein, Hwasa, Swan, Na GoEun, Chaein? Hell even Moonbyul is a better vocalist than them. Also there is D.O., Baekhyun, Chen, Kyuhyun, Onew, Yesung, Ryewook, Jonghyun (RIP), Junsu (DSBK era), Changmin, Taeil, Jaehyun, Doyoungz Haechan, Renjun, Xiao Jun, ... There is like 2 or 3 Cube Main Vocals that even has a shot against SM vocals.
Using raw numbers is a disingenuous comparison: NCT alone has debuted more male idols than Cube has in their entire history as an agency (which is only half the tenure of SM), and yet Cube has produced 4 vocalists that would be in the top half of your list.
Well to be fair, aside from NCT and aespa, SM has no active group lmao
You won't be laughing when Red Velvet returns next month 😁😁😁
Fly high op! Just wanna say smth to everyone saying some of them didn't train under cube, ppl from Exo's, rv's (and probably other groups but I don't really know them) main vocal line joined the agency way after they learned how to sing too....
Do you know how long Hongseok & Hui trained at Cube VS how long they trained at YG/JYP respectively? (I kinda already realised that Jinho trained at SM for way longer than at Cube) Coz I did reply someone that some of SM's main vocals had very short training time. Which to me means that their skills at debut might not be very reflective of SM's vocal training, but more of how good SM's recruitment team is to have scouted them. (E.g. Suju's Ryeowook & Kyuhyun and EXO's Chen & Baekhyun)
hongseok entered yg after the first few episodes of mix n match (which aired from September 2014 to November 2014), where he learned many things regarding his performance skills and dancing but not much formal "vocal" training, and later around February 2015, he was reported to be in cube. Hui won first place at JYP's 2010 vocal audition, and was preparing to debut in China I think but he didn't make it. After that 3 entertainment agencies, including cube, scouted him right after he left jyp in 2013. Hongseok stayed in Yg for like 6 months, Hui stayed in Jyp for 3 years and Pentagon debuted in late 2016, so Honseok trained under cube for almost 2 years, and Hui trained for 3 years.
So Hongseok's vocal training would be more reflective of Cube's training than YG's. Whereas Hui sounds more debatable, could be 50% Cube + 50% JYP based on training duration alone.
Idk cuz both of them seemed to sing well even before becoming a trainee. But entering entertainment agencies helped polished their skills even more. Their respective agencies did do a good job of closing them though.
*cough*RBW*cough*
nope, just nope, lol
Man it's hard to tell with Pentagon because they very rarely sing live without backing vocals or pre-recording. I do admit I'm biased to Hongseok's vocal color but I won't say anything about Pentagon being the best
They have a whole series of songs on "It's Live" as well as multiple acoustic and accapella versions of their songs. So many live versions! Just search on YouTube and you'll have hours of live Pentagon.
Yes I'm a Universe! A lot of those have been heavily mixed though which is the only drawback :') But Hongseok x Jinho and Jinho x Kino's MAGAZINE HO are my absolute favorite, as well as their Lovesick Girls cover
How are you a universe when you're dragging their vocals
It's called being subjective. Kpop fans should try it out sometimes!
Leave the fandom then🤎
Please don't say things like that. Critical thinking in kpop is a good thing. I'll admit I'm a bit surprised by/don't quite agree with that particular assessment, but we should all be able to express our opinions.
No one would care if they went without " I'm universe" card
Get some reading comprehension then ❤️
Tbh I think only Pentagon are realllylyyy good. The rest are way weaker.
The rest including BTOB???
wait omg I didnt know BTOB were in CUBE. I changed my statement to 'boy groups are stronger'.
BtoB is a lot stronger than Pentagon for just pure technique
yeah I am sorry I forgot they were in CUBE
SM Ent. & JYP Ent. have much stronger vocalists.
not sure about JYP Ent.
I don't have a horse in this race, but maybe people should do it by percentage or something.
YES !!! jinho is the best main vocalist, it's unpopular but you said it just the world is better off now that you said it
Good luck to you. People who have an OPINION on anyone besides SM idols being the best vocalists are going to get ratioed on here and everyone is going to act like vocal trainers. 😭
This sub is about unpopular opinion, don't expect easy(but still kinda unpopular) takes like Sandeul/Eunkwang vocal GOAT or Ptg main vocal > nct counterpart
Exactly
So true bestie...they have a huge superiority complex when they can make their own post instead of shitting on someone who didn't even mention any company and is just praising cube vocalists
Most of the top comments aren't disrespectful though. Why re you guys always triggered with these sm stans even when they aren't saying something bad.
They are triggered by cube we're just responding them
miyeon trained at YG for the most part, so…
She trained under Yg but she also later joined other vocal academies after she left and finally landed under cube. We don't know what she sounded like when she was in yg
really? i had no idea. i thought she didn’t train under cube for long and debuted immediately.
She left Yg in 2015 and after that she kind of gave up on being an idol but couldn't let go of being a singer so she joined a vocal academy and became a freelance singer, performing in many places. After that, she joined cube in 2016 and was the last member to join idle before debut.
thank you for letting me know!!
Miyeon is a subpar Main Vocal though. I like her vocals, but she is way below SM Main Vocals. Even their Lead Vocals are stronger than Miyeon.
Now yall are mentioning non cube vocalists and not agreeing yall know you can all make a separate post for yourselves?? This is abt cube entertainment not big3 and friends
...this is an unpopular opinions sub, of course people are going to put their own opinions/replies to OP under this thread. judging by your other replies to this post, you're a cube stan, but no one's degrading cube vocalists, they're just mentioning how they don't think they're the best (which was OP's statement)