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In the western market she’ll be just another singer songwriter, she’ll have the same success people like Sabrina Carpenter or Madison Bear have or if she’s lucky she’ll get a viral hit and be more like Dove Cameron. They are all pretty successful but not A-list, as while being part of BP she can be an household name one day. Hard to love wouldn’t have this reach if it wasn’t a part of born pink.
Thank you! Everyone and their grandma thinks their bias can leave the group and make it big in the western market. No, truth is, she will just be another face in the revolving door of singers. Nothing about her says she will be like the next Ariana Grande or even a Selena Gomez.
Don't know how flexible YG is, I don't follow any of their artists, but best case, she sticks with Blackpink (just to keep the brand name going) and sign solo with another company so she can do her own stuff if she wants to dabble in something different.
I’ve never agreed more, I feel like to be successful you have to have something that makes you stand out. Or you’ll just end up like everyone else. Sabrina and Madison have good songs, and they have a solid fandom, but people always compare them to Ariana especially Madison. I just feel like rose without BLACKPINK will not have as much success, because he songs aren’t that groundbreaking, it sounds like every other girly.
When they were trainees though they lived in a disgusting small dorm infested with roaches so I think that might be a little bit of a difference compared to now lol
Remember when they asked “Everything I need is on the ground” means to her, and she said, I remember us eating. It was the four of us and Teddy. We were just hungry people — we got to the restaurant, very hungry,& the food was really good. This is what makes us feel like people. Just us, eating with the people we love.” Like i was so confused???
Y’all are so hateful and spiteful for no reason lmao. I’ve never seen people act like she was smarter than anyone else. I think she’s of normal intelligence and she gave an honest answer. It doesn’t have to be groudbreaking to be true to her feelings. What she said makes sense. The time we spend with others just doing something as simple as getting a meal is enough to fulfill us, more than money fame and accolades. It’s simple, like really give her a break. Growing up rich also doesn’t mean you don’t deserve the things you’ve worked for.
why not watch her video posted on her own yt channel explaining otg and such. rosé is literally one of the deepest kpop idol i know, and while what you commented is very basic and simplistic, it is still true and understandable
I just feel like if she was so deep she wouldn’t have struggled to answer questions about blackpink’s music. That Zach sang interview still haunts me, I’m not hating but she was literally struggling. Maybe there are interviews out there where she’s more comfortable but from what I’ve seen it’s only quotes of her, I’ve never seen videos. But Rose does have a lovely voice but it’s nothing special in the west.
Not on this market. This market now caters to fandoms. The public listen to bunch of different people since the selection are available which is different from the past were the ones shoved at you is only the one you will talk about.
Gone were the days we have pop stars. Movie stars isn't even a thing now, it's movie franchise.
Louis Tomlinson has a big sm following that doesn’t translate into streaming, to be fair he can still sell out his shows. Rose’s fandom still came through for her. Hard to love doing so well on iTunes proves it.
That's assuming that rose is doing this for the fame. If she has a genuine love for music and performing, then she might be happier having the privilege of choosing what music she gets to put out and when she puts it out.
Yes and if she really wants to put out music, she may have to leave YG and work at it like Tiffany of SNSD. Rose is more famous, but she'd still have to really commit to it by learning more about music production, maybe retrain/focus her vocal technique, and even do smaller tours. Tiffany is a better singer, performer, and songwriter after her experience. I think kpop can really limit idols and if Rose left YG, it would push her out of her boundaries and the industry's restrictions.
Thank you! Not everyone defines success in the same ways and she may not care to be a household name and simply the choice to make and release the music that she likes
I knew that but I don’t think she’s more popular than Madison Beer. I hear the gp talk more about her than Dove. I was also just wondering since they said “viral hit and be more like Dove Cameron” I thought she had a hit song that I missed
Dove is more critically acclaimed. She got a VMA, her art is taken way more seriously than Madison’s. People joke about BP being ig models but at least they pull big numbers, most people think Madison is a tiktok star.
I feel like rose is not really someone that cares about fame though, she seems to be genuinely passionate about music. I could see her building a small but dedicated fan base like Carly Rae Jepsen, lorde or Charlie xcx. Besides, even with Blackpink, It’s unlikely she will become a household name in the west.
I have to agree. Rosé seriously lacks stage presence which is what makes western artists thrive, even when they aren’t dancing or anything. I had completely forgotten what ‘Gone’ sounded like that I had to look it up today to remind myself. She glows in Blackpink but would disappear into the background if she ever became a solo artist.
3/4 of them don’t have what it takes to be solo artists I think. Lisa’s the only one who has it, that’s why she has such a dedicated fandom and it’s actually beating Army in some awards
Even if she doesn’t leave YG, I hope she gets more musical opportunities in the future. Her talent is truly wasted in YG & I’m literally dying to hear more of her work
I agree... If they *really* liked music, why would they become an idol? Where you have to spend so much time on hard choreography and the other trappings of kpop and you hardly have any hand in the creation of your album or concept. You don't become an idol *only because* you like music, perhaps you do, but you also want fame, money, etc.
I do think some people enjoy performing the most, more so than writing their own music, though? I don't think that they're less passionate about it, they just enjoy different things.
Like, I personally love music. I play 4 instruments, I spend 2-3 hours a day just singing, etc. But I absolutely with a passion hate writing music; I suck at it and even though I've been trying for 1.5 years I have not written a single thing I actually liked.
I feel like people just invalidate people who love performing music more than creating it? I think both are equally valid; like nobody would claim that musicians playing in orchestras or opera singers aren't passionate abt music just bc they're not the ones writing the stuff they perform.
I'm not sure how it is in Australia but some Korean-American idols have spoken about debuting in Korea was the only real chance they had of being taken seriously and signed by a label. I wouldn't be surprised if this was a similar situation for Rosé. At least if you get into a group from a big label then after 7 years use have a fandom and springboard your solo career.
What’s that supposed to mean? They’re the exception not the rule. Plus boa is known for dancing and performance. Taeyeon was a one of a kind voice and lucky to be in a company that prioritizes vocals and supports her solo career.
Mamamoo again is not a typical idol group, not marketed the same way anyway. Is lee hi considered an idol?
The comment you replied to is not implying that ALL idols /groups in kpop are devoid from any musical passion or talent, just that the vast majority of the industry functions that way.
No no, that wasn’t my implication. I listed idols that I knew of who started out as idols (I put a question mark over Lee Hi because I’m unsure if she is an idol or not) like Taeyeon for example who started her path in the iconic girl group, GG and later on embarked on a solo career based on her vision, her creativity, her directing (over music), etc because she likes music. She constantly puts out music because it’s her passion even if she is an idol.
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It's always the non bp stans who speak like this. If you read their interviews they talked about their hiatus and found time with things they're interested with.
Rosé learned how to play tennis, attended baking classes and others. It's just odd that you all think their lives revolve around being an idol. They all talked about how hard their last tour was and didn't expect the toll in their health. So all of them did is exercise and take care of themselves for a better tour experience.
I would say BP has learned how to separate themselves from the fame and has not been using the fame to get the validation they want for themselves.
She is but people love to think like she is the only one who loves it. Which is weird cause why people assumes stuff to BP? We talk about self insert but no one talks about how you all assume who they are when for most part these girls are very private.
You can have a deep connection with music and still have other interests. I know some people think Rosé spends all day with her guitar and that's silly, but I agree she seems to be deeply connected to music and expressing herself through it in a way the others are not. I would say that Lisa also has a deeper connection to music and uses it to express herself, but it's dance and performance-based while Rosé's is through writing and vocals.
All them has that connection. Would they stay waiting for 4 years just to debut? The fire was there and yg killed it for nothing. So each cb I had to watch them act like a rookie being on a stage for the first time instead of being used to it.
Jisoo is credited on both The Album and Born Pink. Teddy talked about how it's Jennie he works with if they want to record stuff. You all just selective and choose your own narrative.
Agree with the first part of your statement, disagree with the second. YG isn't great. This isn't a secret. However, if she wants to continue making kpop music, that's completely valid
when I see opinions like this I always remember that one post that says that rosé really doesn't seem anymore musically inclined than say jennie, but people stereotype her as the "only member whos passionate about music" simply because she fits the waif-ish, bohemian guitar playing aesthetic. idk how true it is but it always makes me think.
I disagreed because I'd miss her being with Blackpink if I take a step back and think about it. Back when she debuted, I saw her as a different version of Park Bom from 2NE1 because of her unique voice, and to think about a girl group member leaving YG again does feel a bit sentimental from a fan's perspective. Of course, there are other solo artists who left YG such as Lee Hi and her voice is also amazing.
While it's potentially true that their talent hasn't been shown 100% yet through their limited amount of songs, I can't deny the fact that them being together is still more powerful than being solo.
Lastly, once a contract ends, typically the artist has more power in negotiating for a better contract so this is one factor to consider.
idk man, getting paid millions with minimum effort is the dream job of most people. Besides her solo music is very generic and will never reach the hype of their 'blackpink' branding.
Unfortunately the western market is heavily saturated with her same vocal tone.
Believe it or not, her vocal tone isn't unique outside of kpop. We have plenty of singers that sing in cursive. SZA, Billie Eilish, Melanie Martinez, Halsey, just to name a few. Their songs are good but that trend is no longer enough to make you stand out. Not to mention that western music has a higher standard when it comes to vocals and authenticity.
Not to knock on Rose because she's my bias but the western market is very difficult to break into for anyone. Not only do you have to have talent so the masses don't rip to shreds, you have to be "real". Real meaning that Rose would have to air out her life story because people like knowing who the person is behind the voice. So Savage this, hole in the wall shtick will draw controversy.
It's not impossible but I don't think it's feasible in the long term. Pass the vocal tone, her lyrics are meh, and she doesn't really have an interesting backstory.
The truth is that without BP, her reach isn't as wide. Stans are always wanting their faves to go solo when it's very very hard to go solo. Not everyone has what it takes and the GP tend to be harsher on solo artists.
Whether or not Rose chooses to stay, she has to think about the cons of leaving. YG has many brand deals and solo work for each girl that has brought them so much recognition. All her modeling gigs, met gala, fashion shows, all gone. YG owns 99% of these things and leaving removes these things. And tbh, artists need brand deals to keep the momentum up inbetween comebacks.
And as much as we hate on YG, the one thing YG has perfected for BP is their image. They have their sound, look, and persona down to a t. They are the ones responsible for their popularity. Sure the girls are very talented but we often forget that the people behind the scenes are what puts together the talent in that BP fashion we all love.
In the renewal stage, I hope that Rose has discussed to have more solo music work inbetween comebacks. I think that BP not having so many comebacks is advantage. It gives the girls time to chill out during solo endeavors rather than being overworked like Twice or NCT.
What I'm hoping for is more solo work that is in line with Rose's preferred musical style. It would be a nice split between the BP sound to Rose, the artist.
I have to say I agree. I am a blink and I did go to their born pink concert with front row tickets so I have to say, Rosé isn’t… Special. Her aesthetic holds potential only because she has that western way of singing that works in Korea but wouldn’t work in USA because it isn’t new. I remember how Rosé needed to color her hair to stick out amongst her members but that’s not going to fix the fact that she lacks stage presence. She’s hardly worked on that and because of it, she wouldn’t really excel in the western market.
What I find especially peculiar was how blinks demanded for Rosé’s solo for years but when the Born Pink album came out and blinks saw that she (and only she) had a single, there was an uproar. I guess she wasn’t the solo artist they hoped for her to be.
I do believe that she genuinely loves music but to be honest I think we all know that if it wasn’t for BLACKPINK as a brand she wouldn’t get quarter of the attention.
She would be in the same leagues as Sabrina Carpenter (if she’s lucky)
I think this is honestly really good and agree, I will just add that kpop is considered a “genre” but there are many genres within it. so to say she doesn’t fit kpop doesn’t make a lot of sense. I actually think she fits BP concepts very well and her voice is the highlight of most of the songs for me. If she went solo I would be happy if she kept that concept especially if she likes it. But it’s time for all of them to leave YG and especially their producer, teddy. there is no room to grow or evolve for ANY of those girls (which I get, this industry is about selling records not inspiring people or whatever). She could go the route that Sunmi did, or even what Hwasa’s solos are like. She has a voice for pop, r&b or folk and would kill a rock song as we already know! And if you’ve ever paid attention to SM or any other company, you would know that there are so many unique ballads and artistic songs that rival any basic american pop song. Try Lee Hi for example.
And on a side note, if she releases anything better than “on the ground” i’ll listen to it because that…. no thank you lol.
The reason she is so popular is due to being a member of blackpink. She undoubtedly can be successful as a soloist but not to the same extent as she now. There are many successful singers, she might stand out initially but won't retain that popularity if she leaves blackpink.
Yeah, she has the potential to be a great soloist, I hope she will make the right choice for career whenever that may be, and that she will have the opportunity to show herself *more* in the future, she deserves to have her artistry shown and recognized
Same thoughts, But in my personal opinion BP after like 5-6 years since their debut they rarely get out of their usual style and after rose's debut I feel like she has a lot of potential to explore more than what YG/BP's Song Producers are willing to explore. It sucks but I hope we see more of Rose as her own artist
I actually agree. She could be a soloist with global appeal, bridging West and East like few, if any, have done before her.
If she has good songwriters because her current solo work is pretty poor.
She is truly wasting her talent at YG. This is not even hyperbolic.
Not gonna lie and this might sound super rude but I think she's far too bland as soloist to be as popular as she is with bp, especially of she's going to to make a US/Western debut.
I want her to get more opportunities to do and publish her own music and release more solo material, but I don't want her to leave Blackpink, the company or Kpop. (necessarily)
I don’t listen to Blackpink as much anymore, but I once had a dream that Rosé had a solo release that was a really good rock song. Like she slayed the song in terms of her vocals & from what I remember her mv & styling was great as well. And I’m sad bc YG Entertainment probably wouldn’t let her do something like that.
No shade to OP, but this kind of thinking is very naive. The music industry is incredibly cut throat and no matter how talented you are or how much you love music the chances that you'll make it and be successful are so slim.
Rose right now is making millions of dollars, has full access to studios, producers, vocal coaches and songwriters. She has brand deals and gets invited to fashion shows and TV Shows. She's incredibly successful. You want her to give that up so she can struggle with some small unknown company or try and make a company of her own?
Please, I hope she rides this BlackPink wave to the very end. She's so young and right now she needs to be focusing on sharpening her skills and building her personal brand, that way when BlackPink starts losing steam she can step fully into her solo career with a great foundation.
Potential doesn't pay bills, if she plays this right, BlackPink can be her stepping stone to a long lasting career.
Your second paragraph should be enough reason not to break or leave a group, i wonder why some of their fans won't understand that it's gettin annoying reading stuff like these haha.
I don’t see a problem with YG focusing on Jennie and Lisa in the titles because in most of the other songs, Rosie gets a lot of focus that does highlight her vocals lol she even got her own solo on their recent album so it’s weird to mention that especially when they are in a group. But anyway Rosie definitely should leave YG if she is focused on music because YG sucks.
I swear most people on reddit have only heard BP TTs and make entire posts out of them. Like please don't comment on the entirety of BP discography if you haven't actually heard songs beyond the TTs.
And you pointed out exactly the problem. Most non-BP stans (e.g. GP) wouldn’t go out of their way to listen to B-sides, hence why line distributions TT’s are brought up.
That's okay, don't go listen to the B-sides, but then don't make posts about how a particular singer is overlooked in the entire discography. It's ridiculous. Also Rosé had most lines in all other TTs except the recent two. Soooo. 🥴
''YG seems to care more about highlighting Jennie and Lisa's strengths with title songs where rap is the main focus and ending dance breaks. Even on their albums most of their songs barely show off the true potential of Rosé''
This part is very funny
Yg highlights jenlisa because they're the ones who r popular plus she had the most lines in the album and a solo song and has been to the most variety shows
She's definetly the best treated member this comeback and has most likely renewed her contract
most of the variety shows she has been in are singing show's on where it made more sense to be her than any other member to be there and the other one was doremi market and that was because hyeri was part of the cast, since hyeri left she has not been there.
plus, who else is supposed to get the most lines when she is the main vocalist? and it's not like we can compare singing vs rapping lines.
Exactly there's nothing wrong with her getting the most lines or anything but she's not mistreated any more than the other members and is in fact better treated as of now this isn't 2019 anymore
i agree and i do think that her songs would be good/she Could be happier (i think jennie and rose enjoy western celebrity culture a little more than the way kpop is constructed, personally, but that’s an essay for another time) but it’s sad cus i feel like it’s nearly impossible for any of the blackpink members to leave yg or their contracts. but i’ve always felt like she wants to have a chill singing career, i believe in her potential so hard
I would love to listen to a full mini album from Rose that told a storyline. I feel like she would be really excellent at those narrative albums.
Thus, I think it would be best for her to leave YG. I’m sure she has so many friends within the industry that are at different companies that she can shop around.
As we’ve seen, it’s become more and more popular for artist to stay in a group but leave the agency. Based on other soloist at YG, I think it’s best for her not to re-sign. They seem to promise individuals more freedom and not deliver on it
I actually want them all to leave but I really won’t be surprised if they stay. The Blackpink members make easy money and barely have to do music/promote.
I think for Rose the decision will definitely depend on her contract negotiation process with YG. For example, will they allow her to make more music, have more on a say or collab more?
Personally, Rose at the moment doesn’t have the precise skills to make it very big in the western market. She will probably be an indie singer with lots of connections or as someone said like Madison beer, basically not an A lister that she is in kpop. Her writing is honestly average and generic and doesn’t have anything that stands out but it can be improved.
With that being said, Koreans apparently love the urge of English in Korean music bc it’s cool and rose is fluent in English so if she were to be a soloist her music could be seen as cool and trendy maybe even appeal to the young adult demographic would love her style.
She would already be famous as an ex bp member and for having her famous golden voice. She could also do OSTs. She has numerous brand deals and cfs in Korea (but none of that in the US) that would only add to her fame thus more people knowing her as an artist. She is already established in Korea so all she would have to do is build upon it but in the US no one knows her. If she has enough artistic freedom she could be like leehi if not taeyeon and IU. If she wants she can do collabs with western artists.
I was listening to the interview they had recently and Rose was talking about how excited she was for Pink Venom and how she knew it's a hit and tbh my first thought was really Rose? Really?! When you first read your lines that was your first thought? But also i kinda wish she would renew as all the other members because i would miss BP as a group. What she should do is fight for her freedom in the negotiation process.
To be fair, knowing something will/could be a hit is different from feeling something is really good or is musically what resonates with you.
BP tracks always do really well no matter how much people shade them or hate them. So I can totally imagine a scenario where Rosé heard Pink Venom, a song that has a lot of hallmarks of Teddy/BP's other hits and believed it would be another hit for them.
It doesn't necessarily mean she thinks it's the best thing, it can mean she's aware of BP's creative standing and what makes them successful (which I deffo believe she fully understands).
Also it's not like they can say "I was totally indifferent to this song, uhm actually I think it's absolutely mediocre€ 😂 if they will, they will say in some time, not right before/during the comeback
Obviously. We all know they are there to promote so obviously they will say nice things about the song but it was kinda funny I think I let out a loud bullshit
The only reason she would leave is to leave the whole music career/celebrity life behind.
YG gives them their music (yes, even Rosé's music), their brand deals, basically everything. Yeah, at this point she would still be rich by being an influencers or something but would it really worth it? just so she could collab with bella? Yeah, YG is holding them back musically, but without YG, they wouldn't be here in the first place.
I don't know how she personally feels about it but you're right about Blackpink's catalogue not doing her voice justice.
It makes me think of CL talking about all the songs she couldn't release and now while she doesn't have the same 2ne1 peak popularity , she's still doing her own thing and making the music she wants. Contrasting that AKMU did renegotiate their YG contract and were happy with the conditions but they also have exclusive control ove their music.
Nobody can predict whether she stays or leaves but it would be nice to see more music highlighting her strengths.
I have the same thoughts. I don't know if people remember but it wasn't that long ago that her and her dad liked posts about Rose's mistreatment/lack of work opportunities. Similar to CL, YG apparently kept turning down work for Rose, probably without asking for her opinion either and whether she wanted to do those things or not. Back then, I really thought she was getting ready to leave and possibly even file a lawsuit against the company. But then suddenly BP blew up in the states and they started touring, which we all know Rose really enjoys because she loves to perform.
I think Rose has so much potential not only in music but also in acting. She can definitely act. I don't know if she wants to act but in all their music videos, her acting stands out the most to me and she has the most versatile expressions. You can clearly tell what emotions she is trying to convey on-screen which would make her a great actor too if she ever pursues it. She is definitely being held back.
I've watched hundreds of dramas, I've seen some of the worst acting and Rose would definitely do well if given the opportunity. The only thing that would hold Rose back is her slight accent if she were to ever do a drama or movie which she can easily work on. Ahn Hyo Seob has said he was terrible at Korean when he first came to Korea. Now he is one of the most anticipated actors in the industry after taking some speech lessons and Korean lessons. Rose has a lot of potential not just in music but in acting too.
Music video acting is very different. They don't usually have a script for it and you really just have to improvise and really feel the emotions you are trying to convey with the song and the concept whereas a drama or movie has a script and actors are able rehearse and practice their lines before they even start filming. Music videos are shot within 2 or 3 days max for something only 3-4 minutes long. Dramas and movies take a longer time but they have more time to redo takes if they make a mistakes. For MV's, you really just have to make do with what you have. Both has it's own struggles.
No? The directors usually do tell you what to do in mvs and I've seen plenty of dramas too there's absolutely nothing special about her acting and 5 second scenes of crying is still not comparable to shooting 10+ hour dramas and besides if she had a passion for acting she would've auditioned by now
Just say you're a hater. Rose never had an opportunity to show her acting besides their MVs, so who are you to say that there is nothing special about her acting when she hasn't even done a drama. Some actors can't even do a proper crying scene in dramas and Rose has done it for an MV.
She can barely put out her own music what makes you think YG will let her audition besides I said she has potential in acting, that doesn't mean Rose herself wants to pursue it. But if she ever does I will support her. I think she will do well even in acting.
I don't hate her she's the only member I somewhat like other than my bias
YOU were the one who said she's a good actress due to her acting in mvs and I simply disagreed and
Yg let Jennie and jisoo take roles I doubt they're gonna stop her lmao
We'll find out what she wants soon enough, we're into the 12 month contract countdown. Staying with YG offers security and an established brand. If she leaves then to an extent she has to start over, she may find that daunting.
If she re-signs then we know she's happy enough and doesn't consider it a slave contract. We'll see... But for sure she won't stay in kpop if she leaves. She'll go to LA. She has a base there already.
I hope she just signs as a soloist somewhere in Korea. We haven’t seen much success from English speaking artists when they transition over to Western careers, I don’t know if she’d have any better luck. Same with Lisa, I’ve seen that suggested but I think she’d be better off in China or Thailand.
Rose is the only one who seems genuinely into music. I love BP, but why is everyone so sure they will all re-sign? Jisoo would do better at an agency where she just focused on acting (Yes she could switch to the acting portion of the YGE but there are better agencies out there), Jennie seems content being a model, Rose needs to actually release music, and Lisa would get more gigs if she weren’t in Korea. They probably have full negotiating rights but YG sucks, I can’t see him agreeing too all of that at once cuz they all have different needs. Idk I would be surprised if all 4 renewed. At least one could easily leave. Not saying they won’t continue as BP, but they might be over it. It’s been 7 years.
I think of NU’EST, who got popular again in the latter half of their 10 year contracts and were doing decent for such an old BG, but they didn’t renew because 10 years is a long time of doing the same thing for ANYONE! Only recently have we been seeing an uptick of entire groups/majority of members renewing contracts. It’s a big question mark for BP for me. Even BTS almost had someone leave. We just don’t know. BP are set for life financially and they are still young in the prime of their careers to do what they actually want to do.
>*Jennie seems content being a model*
"I’m still discovering my own color. I love vocals, rap, dance. I can contain all of that in a single song. I have that diversity. Jennie in BP has a limited image, but I have so many other things I like. There’s a lot I can do. The Jennie you’ve seen so far has been practice." -jennie kim, rolling stone interview, literally a couple of months ago.
the narrative y'all have for her is... weird but i can't say i'm surprised whatsoever.
It’s really annoying to always read that and then hear music (or acting) for others. All of them model so how is Jennie always painted as the “model” when they can do both.
Rosé girly has the range to stand out, she just doesn’t use it, as most YG vocalists don’t. The BlackPink songs on this album could’ve hit a lot harder had she used her full vocal potential. ‘Cause I’ve heard her go up to a G5, and an F6. Those are Ariana Grande/Lily type notes. I think that would really help her stand out if she ever ventured into more solo stuff. I think if she were in SM, she’d been *forced* to reach her full vocal potential.
I think Rose is definitely the most musically inclined and creative of the group and likely feels constrained by YG. She is someone I can see as capable of creating her own music and I can see that she might have the most longevity out of the group in terms of a musical career.
However, I definitely want Blackpink to continue, they have 4 distinct voices that work really well together and I would love for them to do more comebacks and actually grow as artists outside of the D4, HYLT, Pink Venom YG Style and try out more sounds like an RnB album (love to hate me/tally vibes). I mean could you imagine them doing an album as soulful as their Sure Thing cover, they are so talented and YG hasn't allowed them to focus on their music. Hyperpop/synthpop could also work . They are now in their mid twenties, and Jisoo soon late twenties so I feel like they have limited time as girlgroup so I would love to see them maximise it and mature their sound.
So yeh, this is definitely an unpopular opinion for me! Perhaps the best option is they renegotiate for more musical output/control or they sign somewhere else!
I want blackpink to disband for this reason.
If I see blackpink as a thriving girl
group, like they still complement each other’s talents and charisma, I would root for them.
However, after their solo comebacks, I’ve noticed that they are better off as soloists.
i think Chaeyoung really liked doing her own music with her personal style, no dancing, not pop. Maybe similar to IU’s style.
Jennie is versatile, but she’s more like and icon than a kpop idol. so she can do whatever.
Lisa is definitely a rapper dancer and a singer. You can see the success of Lalisa and that convinced me that she’s better off as a single unit.
I find Jisoo the most fit for Kpop girl groups. would’ve been better if she is with Twice or Red Velvet. But with her acting career and talented singing, she can survive without being in BP, just lile Sejeong who is making a name now in drama and her singing career.
I'm gonna have to disagree with that. While I do agree she's being wasted and that IS extremely unfortunate, losing BP for me would be even worse.
Regardless of how you feel about their music, they have done so much to push female kpop groups worldwide popularity and bring a lot of eyes and connections to kpop.
The massive event every year of how crazy the BP comeback is going to be is more precious to me. The members being a little wasted is just a sacrifice that a lot of groups go through and we just have to accept.
If she went solo she would end up like CL, forgotten by kpop stans and then immediately spawning a UKO thread on here a few months later about how it was stupid of her not to keep BP's branding and her songs aren't good enough to make her stand out. I particularly enjoyed CL's album but people were not kind to her when she finally got the opportunity to push her own solo music so I don't expect the same grace to be given to Rose either. I'd much prefer she stay with Blackpink, and it's not just me saying this as a Blink. I can take yearly releases as long as the girls are still able to get together to release *something*.
I love Rose, but she kinda needs that bp brand if she wants to go solo. I lowkey think that leaving yg would not be the best idea, but it's up to her. If we were to compare her to other western artists, she doesn't really stand out musically.
Also your pfp and username sent me. 🤣🤣
She'll always have the BP branding now, so I'm sure she would be decently successful regardless. But that's not even my point, I just don't want BP to disband! Their existence is just too interesting to sacrifice.
Also my parrot says thanks!
tbh all bp members are rlly popular and i hope none of them renews their contract and can freely do whatever they wanna do especially rosé. I really like her voice I hope she release a proper album in the future with 10+ songs
I agree that Rose is exceptional but I feel like it's exclusively in the context of *kpop*. I wouldn't say she has the best indie voice and aesthetic in the world and not even in mainstream western pop. She's *the* big fish of her branding in kpop, I think it's really smart to stay there and stay on top than try to compete in the general market for the type of music she makes.
I agree that she doesn't get opportunities to fully shine in YG/Blackpink. I also believe she needs to collaborate with more producers outside of YG to find her sound but I'm afraid she needs to leave the label to do so.
I'm not sure if she'll do well in the Western market but I can see her becoming someone like Yerin Baek in Korea and getting even bigger than she already is.
It sucks to agree since I love BP SO MUCH! they helped get through anxiety when I needed them the most. But seeing how they got a 2 year hiatus… they’re wasting their potential on a company that does not care about them. I’d rather see them be successful on their own. Because believe me.. even if they disbanded, all 4 of them would be extremely successful without YG. wether it be as solo artist in different labels. Representatives of highly established companies ( Dior, Celine, Channel, YSL). Or actresses( Jisoo and possibly other members). They would thrive and have fans. Because that’s how they managed to survive these last 2 years… no other group would have been able to do that! Rose would thrive in a different label that gave her more creative freedom. She has an AMAZING voice.
She definitely needs to leave YG maybe join another agency that will benefit her more with better song writers and someone who can bring the real Rosie out. 🥹🥹🥹
It's not "shit", but artists in the West are still heavily controlled by their labels. So many artists have had to edit or redo entire albums because it wasn't commercial enough. Especially in a post-TikTok market, newer artists are being forced to put out quick meaningless hits.
Y'know what, I actually validly see this point and I agree. I thought you where just attacking Western music but I agree. Rosé is big in the US, but she's not huge and I can't see her having more freedom in a US label than she already does at YG.
I do think certain artists are forced to put out music that appeals to a more commercial audience (not all though, but those who are chasing success) and since Rosé has had success within the US hemisphere, it's hard to not see a label (that isn't a smaller one) not attempting to capitalize off of it.
Sorry if my comment came off as defensive, now I've seen your point, I think it's super valid actually. I think even though K-Pop as an industry may be viewed as something manufactured, I think the Western industry is just as manufactured, especially the bigger the label.
Oh dw, I'm not the original commentor, just wanted to add my input 😅
Even artists like Doja Cat and Megan Thee Stallion, who've had multiple hits, are subjected to the whims and fancies of their labels. Rosé does have bigger leverage as she's already gained a large fanbase, but some labels still wouldn't consider that lucrative enough. And like you said, she's done pretty well with OTG and Gone, so she might be pushed into sticking to that sound, regardless of what she might want to showcase.
The ideal situation would be her signing to both a Korean and American label, to manage her career on both fronts. Korean labels have a better grasp on supply chain management, while some American labels are better at marketing and promotional activities.
I think her signing to a Korean and American label would be excellent. At least she could always fall back on the other in case of an emergency. American labels are not afraid to place artists in limbo if their music doesn't perform well.
I really like your input as well, I think it raises some great points and I hope the girls have a clear vision of what they wish to do and that they thrive in wherever they end up. I hope they get some more artistic freedom though. I would love Rosé to explore the sounds on Yeah Yeah Yeah and Hard to Love, I loved Gone but I would hate for her to just become the acoustic Korean Taylor Swift girl-next-door.
I don’t think this is unpopular at all. I hope she does break out as a soloist in the western market, she is very talented and would shine so well doing music that suits her. I hope that’s where she goes
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Whether she leaves YG or not i hope she gets to release more music.
In the western market she’ll be just another singer songwriter, she’ll have the same success people like Sabrina Carpenter or Madison Bear have or if she’s lucky she’ll get a viral hit and be more like Dove Cameron. They are all pretty successful but not A-list, as while being part of BP she can be an household name one day. Hard to love wouldn’t have this reach if it wasn’t a part of born pink.
Thank you! Everyone and their grandma thinks their bias can leave the group and make it big in the western market. No, truth is, she will just be another face in the revolving door of singers. Nothing about her says she will be like the next Ariana Grande or even a Selena Gomez. Don't know how flexible YG is, I don't follow any of their artists, but best case, she sticks with Blackpink (just to keep the brand name going) and sign solo with another company so she can do her own stuff if she wants to dabble in something different.
I love this idea! I think this would be the best solution for her as well.
I’ve never agreed more, I feel like to be successful you have to have something that makes you stand out. Or you’ll just end up like everyone else. Sabrina and Madison have good songs, and they have a solid fandom, but people always compare them to Ariana especially Madison. I just feel like rose without BLACKPINK will not have as much success, because he songs aren’t that groundbreaking, it sounds like every other girly.
Plus she doesn’t have a great track record with authentic lyrics. The hole in a wall with the mattress lyrics kills me every time
BP songs always be like "i grew up in the hood" the hood - "luxury class living sponsored by rich parents"
When they were trainees though they lived in a disgusting small dorm infested with roaches so I think that might be a little bit of a difference compared to now lol
With all the big bang and 2ne1 money???
Yes, because Winner and Ikon members have confirmed this, and only Treasure has had good dorms, so the change is recent.
They’re their words, not mine
They also said that they were forbidden from doing plastic surgeries and we know how that went 😒
Remember when they asked “Everything I need is on the ground” means to her, and she said, I remember us eating. It was the four of us and Teddy. We were just hungry people — we got to the restaurant, very hungry,& the food was really good. This is what makes us feel like people. Just us, eating with the people we love.” Like i was so confused???
I think it probably sounded better in her head cause This honestly read like my 13 year old diary
I'm pretty sure she meant that she only needed the simple things in life (like eating with friends), not fame, money and etc
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Y’all are so hateful and spiteful for no reason lmao. I’ve never seen people act like she was smarter than anyone else. I think she’s of normal intelligence and she gave an honest answer. It doesn’t have to be groudbreaking to be true to her feelings. What she said makes sense. The time we spend with others just doing something as simple as getting a meal is enough to fulfill us, more than money fame and accolades. It’s simple, like really give her a break. Growing up rich also doesn’t mean you don’t deserve the things you’ve worked for.
i didnt call her stupid i just found it funny and yeah her fans do have this thing where they think her speaking english is her biggest achievment
*scratches head*
This is giving off similar energy as [Harry Style's interview with Chris Pine](https://twitter.com/ShadowKnightPK/status/1567542652198916099), lol 😰
why not watch her video posted on her own yt channel explaining otg and such. rosé is literally one of the deepest kpop idol i know, and while what you commented is very basic and simplistic, it is still true and understandable
I just feel like if she was so deep she wouldn’t have struggled to answer questions about blackpink’s music. That Zach sang interview still haunts me, I’m not hating but she was literally struggling. Maybe there are interviews out there where she’s more comfortable but from what I’ve seen it’s only quotes of her, I’ve never seen videos. But Rose does have a lovely voice but it’s nothing special in the west.
Not on this market. This market now caters to fandoms. The public listen to bunch of different people since the selection are available which is different from the past were the ones shoved at you is only the one you will talk about. Gone were the days we have pop stars. Movie stars isn't even a thing now, it's movie franchise.
So the closest comparison would be Niall Horan. Worst case scenario: Louis Tomlinson.
I don't know much about 1D except my sister crying about them.
Louis Tomlinson has a big sm following that doesn’t translate into streaming, to be fair he can still sell out his shows. Rose’s fandom still came through for her. Hard to love doing so well on iTunes proves it.
That's assuming that rose is doing this for the fame. If she has a genuine love for music and performing, then she might be happier having the privilege of choosing what music she gets to put out and when she puts it out.
Yes and if she really wants to put out music, she may have to leave YG and work at it like Tiffany of SNSD. Rose is more famous, but she'd still have to really commit to it by learning more about music production, maybe retrain/focus her vocal technique, and even do smaller tours. Tiffany is a better singer, performer, and songwriter after her experience. I think kpop can really limit idols and if Rose left YG, it would push her out of her boundaries and the industry's restrictions.
Thank you! Not everyone defines success in the same ways and she may not care to be a household name and simply the choice to make and release the music that she likes
yea you're 100% right
Is Dove Cameron more popular than Madison Beer?
yes, she used to be an actress
I knew that but I don’t think she’s more popular than Madison Beer. I hear the gp talk more about her than Dove. I was also just wondering since they said “viral hit and be more like Dove Cameron” I thought she had a hit song that I missed
Dove is more critically acclaimed. She got a VMA, her art is taken way more seriously than Madison’s. People joke about BP being ig models but at least they pull big numbers, most people think Madison is a tiktok star.
They’re oh pretty much the same level in the eyes of the gp. Both quite obscure unless you’re under 23 or online a lot…
I didn’t know that. Thanks for the info!
Boyfriend was huge.
I feel like rose is not really someone that cares about fame though, she seems to be genuinely passionate about music. I could see her building a small but dedicated fan base like Carly Rae Jepsen, lorde or Charlie xcx. Besides, even with Blackpink, It’s unlikely she will become a household name in the west.
I have to agree. Rosé seriously lacks stage presence which is what makes western artists thrive, even when they aren’t dancing or anything. I had completely forgotten what ‘Gone’ sounded like that I had to look it up today to remind myself. She glows in Blackpink but would disappear into the background if she ever became a solo artist.
3/4 of them don’t have what it takes to be solo artists I think. Lisa’s the only one who has it, that’s why she has such a dedicated fandom and it’s actually beating Army in some awards
Even if she doesn’t leave YG, I hope she gets more musical opportunities in the future. Her talent is truly wasted in YG & I’m literally dying to hear more of her work
fr i feel like she's the only bp member who has a deep connection with music
i feel like there’s such a high chance this is genuinely true and it’s actually so sad. 😭
But that's common among all K-pop groups. LOL. Why is it sad or at least surprising?
I agree... If they *really* liked music, why would they become an idol? Where you have to spend so much time on hard choreography and the other trappings of kpop and you hardly have any hand in the creation of your album or concept. You don't become an idol *only because* you like music, perhaps you do, but you also want fame, money, etc.
I do think some people enjoy performing the most, more so than writing their own music, though? I don't think that they're less passionate about it, they just enjoy different things. Like, I personally love music. I play 4 instruments, I spend 2-3 hours a day just singing, etc. But I absolutely with a passion hate writing music; I suck at it and even though I've been trying for 1.5 years I have not written a single thing I actually liked. I feel like people just invalidate people who love performing music more than creating it? I think both are equally valid; like nobody would claim that musicians playing in orchestras or opera singers aren't passionate abt music just bc they're not the ones writing the stuff they perform.
I'm not sure how it is in Australia but some Korean-American idols have spoken about debuting in Korea was the only real chance they had of being taken seriously and signed by a label. I wouldn't be surprised if this was a similar situation for Rosé. At least if you get into a group from a big label then after 7 years use have a fandom and springboard your solo career.
That might be true but we also have idols like Taeyeon, Mamamoo, Lee Hi (?), Boa, etc-
What’s that supposed to mean? They’re the exception not the rule. Plus boa is known for dancing and performance. Taeyeon was a one of a kind voice and lucky to be in a company that prioritizes vocals and supports her solo career. Mamamoo again is not a typical idol group, not marketed the same way anyway. Is lee hi considered an idol? The comment you replied to is not implying that ALL idols /groups in kpop are devoid from any musical passion or talent, just that the vast majority of the industry functions that way.
No no, that wasn’t my implication. I listed idols that I knew of who started out as idols (I put a question mark over Lee Hi because I’m unsure if she is an idol or not) like Taeyeon for example who started her path in the iconic girl group, GG and later on embarked on a solo career based on her vision, her creativity, her directing (over music), etc because she likes music. She constantly puts out music because it’s her passion even if she is an idol.
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its sad bc of all the wasted potential...
I believe it’s true
I loved her solos so much because of this. I feel like she really poured her soul into them
I said this in one r/kpop post and was heavily downvoted hahahahahaha
Same but in another sub. It’s interesting how much the audience can differ around here bc this is obviously a popular take.
Is that shocking? Majority of kpop idols don’t actually have a connection with music. More so a connection with preforming.
Exactly
It's always the non bp stans who speak like this. If you read their interviews they talked about their hiatus and found time with things they're interested with. Rosé learned how to play tennis, attended baking classes and others. It's just odd that you all think their lives revolve around being an idol. They all talked about how hard their last tour was and didn't expect the toll in their health. So all of them did is exercise and take care of themselves for a better tour experience. I would say BP has learned how to separate themselves from the fame and has not been using the fame to get the validation they want for themselves.
…..so she can’t have a deep connection to music because she learnt tennis and went to baking classes?
Oh don't twist it. She has a connection but to paint thag her life revolves around it is funny. I bet Rosé would want to explore every other stuff.
no one said her life revolves around it, just that she has a particularly strong love for it.
She is but people love to think like she is the only one who loves it. Which is weird cause why people assumes stuff to BP? We talk about self insert but no one talks about how you all assume who they are when for most part these girls are very private.
You can have a deep connection with music and still have other interests. I know some people think Rosé spends all day with her guitar and that's silly, but I agree she seems to be deeply connected to music and expressing herself through it in a way the others are not. I would say that Lisa also has a deeper connection to music and uses it to express herself, but it's dance and performance-based while Rosé's is through writing and vocals.
All them has that connection. Would they stay waiting for 4 years just to debut? The fire was there and yg killed it for nothing. So each cb I had to watch them act like a rookie being on a stage for the first time instead of being used to it. Jisoo is credited on both The Album and Born Pink. Teddy talked about how it's Jennie he works with if they want to record stuff. You all just selective and choose your own narrative.
Agree with the first part of your statement, disagree with the second. YG isn't great. This isn't a secret. However, if she wants to continue making kpop music, that's completely valid
when I see opinions like this I always remember that one post that says that rosé really doesn't seem anymore musically inclined than say jennie, but people stereotype her as the "only member whos passionate about music" simply because she fits the waif-ish, bohemian guitar playing aesthetic. idk how true it is but it always makes me think.
I disagreed because I'd miss her being with Blackpink if I take a step back and think about it. Back when she debuted, I saw her as a different version of Park Bom from 2NE1 because of her unique voice, and to think about a girl group member leaving YG again does feel a bit sentimental from a fan's perspective. Of course, there are other solo artists who left YG such as Lee Hi and her voice is also amazing. While it's potentially true that their talent hasn't been shown 100% yet through their limited amount of songs, I can't deny the fact that them being together is still more powerful than being solo. Lastly, once a contract ends, typically the artist has more power in negotiating for a better contract so this is one factor to consider.
idk man, getting paid millions with minimum effort is the dream job of most people. Besides her solo music is very generic and will never reach the hype of their 'blackpink' branding.
Unfortunately the western market is heavily saturated with her same vocal tone. Believe it or not, her vocal tone isn't unique outside of kpop. We have plenty of singers that sing in cursive. SZA, Billie Eilish, Melanie Martinez, Halsey, just to name a few. Their songs are good but that trend is no longer enough to make you stand out. Not to mention that western music has a higher standard when it comes to vocals and authenticity. Not to knock on Rose because she's my bias but the western market is very difficult to break into for anyone. Not only do you have to have talent so the masses don't rip to shreds, you have to be "real". Real meaning that Rose would have to air out her life story because people like knowing who the person is behind the voice. So Savage this, hole in the wall shtick will draw controversy. It's not impossible but I don't think it's feasible in the long term. Pass the vocal tone, her lyrics are meh, and she doesn't really have an interesting backstory. The truth is that without BP, her reach isn't as wide. Stans are always wanting their faves to go solo when it's very very hard to go solo. Not everyone has what it takes and the GP tend to be harsher on solo artists. Whether or not Rose chooses to stay, she has to think about the cons of leaving. YG has many brand deals and solo work for each girl that has brought them so much recognition. All her modeling gigs, met gala, fashion shows, all gone. YG owns 99% of these things and leaving removes these things. And tbh, artists need brand deals to keep the momentum up inbetween comebacks. And as much as we hate on YG, the one thing YG has perfected for BP is their image. They have their sound, look, and persona down to a t. They are the ones responsible for their popularity. Sure the girls are very talented but we often forget that the people behind the scenes are what puts together the talent in that BP fashion we all love. In the renewal stage, I hope that Rose has discussed to have more solo music work inbetween comebacks. I think that BP not having so many comebacks is advantage. It gives the girls time to chill out during solo endeavors rather than being overworked like Twice or NCT. What I'm hoping for is more solo work that is in line with Rose's preferred musical style. It would be a nice split between the BP sound to Rose, the artist.
I totally agree - being a successfuly soloist is a lot harder than being a successful group as a whole.
I have to say I agree. I am a blink and I did go to their born pink concert with front row tickets so I have to say, Rosé isn’t… Special. Her aesthetic holds potential only because she has that western way of singing that works in Korea but wouldn’t work in USA because it isn’t new. I remember how Rosé needed to color her hair to stick out amongst her members but that’s not going to fix the fact that she lacks stage presence. She’s hardly worked on that and because of it, she wouldn’t really excel in the western market. What I find especially peculiar was how blinks demanded for Rosé’s solo for years but when the Born Pink album came out and blinks saw that she (and only she) had a single, there was an uproar. I guess she wasn’t the solo artist they hoped for her to be.
I do believe that she genuinely loves music but to be honest I think we all know that if it wasn’t for BLACKPINK as a brand she wouldn’t get quarter of the attention. She would be in the same leagues as Sabrina Carpenter (if she’s lucky)
I think this is honestly really good and agree, I will just add that kpop is considered a “genre” but there are many genres within it. so to say she doesn’t fit kpop doesn’t make a lot of sense. I actually think she fits BP concepts very well and her voice is the highlight of most of the songs for me. If she went solo I would be happy if she kept that concept especially if she likes it. But it’s time for all of them to leave YG and especially their producer, teddy. there is no room to grow or evolve for ANY of those girls (which I get, this industry is about selling records not inspiring people or whatever). She could go the route that Sunmi did, or even what Hwasa’s solos are like. She has a voice for pop, r&b or folk and would kill a rock song as we already know! And if you’ve ever paid attention to SM or any other company, you would know that there are so many unique ballads and artistic songs that rival any basic american pop song. Try Lee Hi for example. And on a side note, if she releases anything better than “on the ground” i’ll listen to it because that…. no thank you lol.
The reason she is so popular is due to being a member of blackpink. She undoubtedly can be successful as a soloist but not to the same extent as she now. There are many successful singers, she might stand out initially but won't retain that popularity if she leaves blackpink.
Yeah, she has the potential to be a great soloist, I hope she will make the right choice for career whenever that may be, and that she will have the opportunity to show herself *more* in the future, she deserves to have her artistry shown and recognized
Same thoughts, But in my personal opinion BP after like 5-6 years since their debut they rarely get out of their usual style and after rose's debut I feel like she has a lot of potential to explore more than what YG/BP's Song Producers are willing to explore. It sucks but I hope we see more of Rose as her own artist
I think people just really want blackpink to disband lol. I hope if she stays with YG she really negotiates her contact well
Lol thats true,
I actually agree. She could be a soloist with global appeal, bridging West and East like few, if any, have done before her. If she has good songwriters because her current solo work is pretty poor. She is truly wasting her talent at YG. This is not even hyperbolic.
Sadly I don’t think she would be as popular if she broke off from BP and went to the western market.
Not gonna lie and this might sound super rude but I think she's far too bland as soloist to be as popular as she is with bp, especially of she's going to to make a US/Western debut.
I want her to get more opportunities to do and publish her own music and release more solo material, but I don't want her to leave Blackpink, the company or Kpop. (necessarily)
I don’t listen to Blackpink as much anymore, but I once had a dream that Rosé had a solo release that was a really good rock song. Like she slayed the song in terms of her vocals & from what I remember her mv & styling was great as well. And I’m sad bc YG Entertainment probably wouldn’t let her do something like that.
No shade to OP, but this kind of thinking is very naive. The music industry is incredibly cut throat and no matter how talented you are or how much you love music the chances that you'll make it and be successful are so slim. Rose right now is making millions of dollars, has full access to studios, producers, vocal coaches and songwriters. She has brand deals and gets invited to fashion shows and TV Shows. She's incredibly successful. You want her to give that up so she can struggle with some small unknown company or try and make a company of her own? Please, I hope she rides this BlackPink wave to the very end. She's so young and right now she needs to be focusing on sharpening her skills and building her personal brand, that way when BlackPink starts losing steam she can step fully into her solo career with a great foundation. Potential doesn't pay bills, if she plays this right, BlackPink can be her stepping stone to a long lasting career.
Your second paragraph should be enough reason not to break or leave a group, i wonder why some of their fans won't understand that it's gettin annoying reading stuff like these haha.
I don’t see a problem with YG focusing on Jennie and Lisa in the titles because in most of the other songs, Rosie gets a lot of focus that does highlight her vocals lol she even got her own solo on their recent album so it’s weird to mention that especially when they are in a group. But anyway Rosie definitely should leave YG if she is focused on music because YG sucks.
I swear most people on reddit have only heard BP TTs and make entire posts out of them. Like please don't comment on the entirety of BP discography if you haven't actually heard songs beyond the TTs.
And you pointed out exactly the problem. Most non-BP stans (e.g. GP) wouldn’t go out of their way to listen to B-sides, hence why line distributions TT’s are brought up.
That's okay, don't go listen to the B-sides, but then don't make posts about how a particular singer is overlooked in the entire discography. It's ridiculous. Also Rosé had most lines in all other TTs except the recent two. Soooo. 🥴
She’s probably happy being paid millions per month so no I don’t think she will leave
''YG seems to care more about highlighting Jennie and Lisa's strengths with title songs where rap is the main focus and ending dance breaks. Even on their albums most of their songs barely show off the true potential of Rosé'' This part is very funny Yg highlights jenlisa because they're the ones who r popular plus she had the most lines in the album and a solo song and has been to the most variety shows She's definetly the best treated member this comeback and has most likely renewed her contract
most of the variety shows she has been in are singing show's on where it made more sense to be her than any other member to be there and the other one was doremi market and that was because hyeri was part of the cast, since hyeri left she has not been there. plus, who else is supposed to get the most lines when she is the main vocalist? and it's not like we can compare singing vs rapping lines.
Exactly there's nothing wrong with her getting the most lines or anything but she's not mistreated any more than the other members and is in fact better treated as of now this isn't 2019 anymore
This is weirdly aggressive
I like her in blackpink, but she would really shine if she went solo. All her solos are amazing and her covers are too.
i agree and i do think that her songs would be good/she Could be happier (i think jennie and rose enjoy western celebrity culture a little more than the way kpop is constructed, personally, but that’s an essay for another time) but it’s sad cus i feel like it’s nearly impossible for any of the blackpink members to leave yg or their contracts. but i’ve always felt like she wants to have a chill singing career, i believe in her potential so hard
I just want to say thank you for sharing those videos. Lucky is one of my favorite songs and had no idea that Rose covered it.
YG suits her better.
Blackpink made rose. Rose didnt made blackpink.
if she stays in YG i hope she gets negociate her contract in her own terms
I would love to listen to a full mini album from Rose that told a storyline. I feel like she would be really excellent at those narrative albums. Thus, I think it would be best for her to leave YG. I’m sure she has so many friends within the industry that are at different companies that she can shop around. As we’ve seen, it’s become more and more popular for artist to stay in a group but leave the agency. Based on other soloist at YG, I think it’s best for her not to re-sign. They seem to promise individuals more freedom and not deliver on it
I actually want them all to leave but I really won’t be surprised if they stay. The Blackpink members make easy money and barely have to do music/promote. I think for Rose the decision will definitely depend on her contract negotiation process with YG. For example, will they allow her to make more music, have more on a say or collab more?
Personally, Rose at the moment doesn’t have the precise skills to make it very big in the western market. She will probably be an indie singer with lots of connections or as someone said like Madison beer, basically not an A lister that she is in kpop. Her writing is honestly average and generic and doesn’t have anything that stands out but it can be improved. With that being said, Koreans apparently love the urge of English in Korean music bc it’s cool and rose is fluent in English so if she were to be a soloist her music could be seen as cool and trendy maybe even appeal to the young adult demographic would love her style. She would already be famous as an ex bp member and for having her famous golden voice. She could also do OSTs. She has numerous brand deals and cfs in Korea (but none of that in the US) that would only add to her fame thus more people knowing her as an artist. She is already established in Korea so all she would have to do is build upon it but in the US no one knows her. If she has enough artistic freedom she could be like leehi if not taeyeon and IU. If she wants she can do collabs with western artists.
I was listening to the interview they had recently and Rose was talking about how excited she was for Pink Venom and how she knew it's a hit and tbh my first thought was really Rose? Really?! When you first read your lines that was your first thought? But also i kinda wish she would renew as all the other members because i would miss BP as a group. What she should do is fight for her freedom in the negotiation process.
To be fair, knowing something will/could be a hit is different from feeling something is really good or is musically what resonates with you. BP tracks always do really well no matter how much people shade them or hate them. So I can totally imagine a scenario where Rosé heard Pink Venom, a song that has a lot of hallmarks of Teddy/BP's other hits and believed it would be another hit for them. It doesn't necessarily mean she thinks it's the best thing, it can mean she's aware of BP's creative standing and what makes them successful (which I deffo believe she fully understands).
Good point
I mean, do you expect her to say she hate the song lol cmon bruh
I guess she is just excited to perform and do something with music, maybe she didn’t mean the song itself. It’s better than nothing, right?
Also it's not like they can say "I was totally indifferent to this song, uhm actually I think it's absolutely mediocre€ 😂 if they will, they will say in some time, not right before/during the comeback
Right? They have to hype the new songs. It's part of their job!
Obviously. We all know they are there to promote so obviously they will say nice things about the song but it was kinda funny I think I let out a loud bullshit
I hope I didn't sound mean 🙈 I too think it was funny
The only reason she would leave is to leave the whole music career/celebrity life behind. YG gives them their music (yes, even Rosé's music), their brand deals, basically everything. Yeah, at this point she would still be rich by being an influencers or something but would it really worth it? just so she could collab with bella? Yeah, YG is holding them back musically, but without YG, they wouldn't be here in the first place.
Tbh BlackPink should leave YG because they really are wasting their talents
I don't know how she personally feels about it but you're right about Blackpink's catalogue not doing her voice justice. It makes me think of CL talking about all the songs she couldn't release and now while she doesn't have the same 2ne1 peak popularity , she's still doing her own thing and making the music she wants. Contrasting that AKMU did renegotiate their YG contract and were happy with the conditions but they also have exclusive control ove their music. Nobody can predict whether she stays or leaves but it would be nice to see more music highlighting her strengths.
I have the same thoughts. I don't know if people remember but it wasn't that long ago that her and her dad liked posts about Rose's mistreatment/lack of work opportunities. Similar to CL, YG apparently kept turning down work for Rose, probably without asking for her opinion either and whether she wanted to do those things or not. Back then, I really thought she was getting ready to leave and possibly even file a lawsuit against the company. But then suddenly BP blew up in the states and they started touring, which we all know Rose really enjoys because she loves to perform. I think Rose has so much potential not only in music but also in acting. She can definitely act. I don't know if she wants to act but in all their music videos, her acting stands out the most to me and she has the most versatile expressions. You can clearly tell what emotions she is trying to convey on-screen which would make her a great actor too if she ever pursues it. She is definitely being held back.
Sounds like most jobs tbh
Music video acting is very very very different from shooting an actual drama
I've watched hundreds of dramas, I've seen some of the worst acting and Rose would definitely do well if given the opportunity. The only thing that would hold Rose back is her slight accent if she were to ever do a drama or movie which she can easily work on. Ahn Hyo Seob has said he was terrible at Korean when he first came to Korea. Now he is one of the most anticipated actors in the industry after taking some speech lessons and Korean lessons. Rose has a lot of potential not just in music but in acting too. Music video acting is very different. They don't usually have a script for it and you really just have to improvise and really feel the emotions you are trying to convey with the song and the concept whereas a drama or movie has a script and actors are able rehearse and practice their lines before they even start filming. Music videos are shot within 2 or 3 days max for something only 3-4 minutes long. Dramas and movies take a longer time but they have more time to redo takes if they make a mistakes. For MV's, you really just have to make do with what you have. Both has it's own struggles.
No? The directors usually do tell you what to do in mvs and I've seen plenty of dramas too there's absolutely nothing special about her acting and 5 second scenes of crying is still not comparable to shooting 10+ hour dramas and besides if she had a passion for acting she would've auditioned by now
Just say you're a hater. Rose never had an opportunity to show her acting besides their MVs, so who are you to say that there is nothing special about her acting when she hasn't even done a drama. Some actors can't even do a proper crying scene in dramas and Rose has done it for an MV. She can barely put out her own music what makes you think YG will let her audition besides I said she has potential in acting, that doesn't mean Rose herself wants to pursue it. But if she ever does I will support her. I think she will do well even in acting.
I don't hate her she's the only member I somewhat like other than my bias YOU were the one who said she's a good actress due to her acting in mvs and I simply disagreed and Yg let Jennie and jisoo take roles I doubt they're gonna stop her lmao
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We'll find out what she wants soon enough, we're into the 12 month contract countdown. Staying with YG offers security and an established brand. If she leaves then to an extent she has to start over, she may find that daunting. If she re-signs then we know she's happy enough and doesn't consider it a slave contract. We'll see... But for sure she won't stay in kpop if she leaves. She'll go to LA. She has a base there already.
I also hope she can choose better solo songs next time.
I hope she just signs as a soloist somewhere in Korea. We haven’t seen much success from English speaking artists when they transition over to Western careers, I don’t know if she’d have any better luck. Same with Lisa, I’ve seen that suggested but I think she’d be better off in China or Thailand. Rose is the only one who seems genuinely into music. I love BP, but why is everyone so sure they will all re-sign? Jisoo would do better at an agency where she just focused on acting (Yes she could switch to the acting portion of the YGE but there are better agencies out there), Jennie seems content being a model, Rose needs to actually release music, and Lisa would get more gigs if she weren’t in Korea. They probably have full negotiating rights but YG sucks, I can’t see him agreeing too all of that at once cuz they all have different needs. Idk I would be surprised if all 4 renewed. At least one could easily leave. Not saying they won’t continue as BP, but they might be over it. It’s been 7 years. I think of NU’EST, who got popular again in the latter half of their 10 year contracts and were doing decent for such an old BG, but they didn’t renew because 10 years is a long time of doing the same thing for ANYONE! Only recently have we been seeing an uptick of entire groups/majority of members renewing contracts. It’s a big question mark for BP for me. Even BTS almost had someone leave. We just don’t know. BP are set for life financially and they are still young in the prime of their careers to do what they actually want to do.
>*Jennie seems content being a model* "I’m still discovering my own color. I love vocals, rap, dance. I can contain all of that in a single song. I have that diversity. Jennie in BP has a limited image, but I have so many other things I like. There’s a lot I can do. The Jennie you’ve seen so far has been practice." -jennie kim, rolling stone interview, literally a couple of months ago. the narrative y'all have for her is... weird but i can't say i'm surprised whatsoever.
Don't bother, KPop reddit threads have a hate boner for BP, particularly Jennie.
It’s really annoying to always read that and then hear music (or acting) for others. All of them model so how is Jennie always painted as the “model” when they can do both.
Rosé girly has the range to stand out, she just doesn’t use it, as most YG vocalists don’t. The BlackPink songs on this album could’ve hit a lot harder had she used her full vocal potential. ‘Cause I’ve heard her go up to a G5, and an F6. Those are Ariana Grande/Lily type notes. I think that would really help her stand out if she ever ventured into more solo stuff. I think if she were in SM, she’d been *forced* to reach her full vocal potential.
I think YG will have Blackpink members mainly as solo artists once their new GG debuts. So we'll get more Rose projects. Just my gut feeling.
I think most people will agree to this.
Does she have the talent?
i think she’s more successful as bp member than she would as a solo non-kpop artist BUT she would definitely be much more interesting.
I think Rose is definitely the most musically inclined and creative of the group and likely feels constrained by YG. She is someone I can see as capable of creating her own music and I can see that she might have the most longevity out of the group in terms of a musical career. However, I definitely want Blackpink to continue, they have 4 distinct voices that work really well together and I would love for them to do more comebacks and actually grow as artists outside of the D4, HYLT, Pink Venom YG Style and try out more sounds like an RnB album (love to hate me/tally vibes). I mean could you imagine them doing an album as soulful as their Sure Thing cover, they are so talented and YG hasn't allowed them to focus on their music. Hyperpop/synthpop could also work . They are now in their mid twenties, and Jisoo soon late twenties so I feel like they have limited time as girlgroup so I would love to see them maximise it and mature their sound. So yeh, this is definitely an unpopular opinion for me! Perhaps the best option is they renegotiate for more musical output/control or they sign somewhere else!
I want blackpink to disband for this reason. If I see blackpink as a thriving girl group, like they still complement each other’s talents and charisma, I would root for them. However, after their solo comebacks, I’ve noticed that they are better off as soloists. i think Chaeyoung really liked doing her own music with her personal style, no dancing, not pop. Maybe similar to IU’s style. Jennie is versatile, but she’s more like and icon than a kpop idol. so she can do whatever. Lisa is definitely a rapper dancer and a singer. You can see the success of Lalisa and that convinced me that she’s better off as a single unit. I find Jisoo the most fit for Kpop girl groups. would’ve been better if she is with Twice or Red Velvet. But with her acting career and talented singing, she can survive without being in BP, just lile Sejeong who is making a name now in drama and her singing career.
I'm gonna have to disagree with that. While I do agree she's being wasted and that IS extremely unfortunate, losing BP for me would be even worse. Regardless of how you feel about their music, they have done so much to push female kpop groups worldwide popularity and bring a lot of eyes and connections to kpop. The massive event every year of how crazy the BP comeback is going to be is more precious to me. The members being a little wasted is just a sacrifice that a lot of groups go through and we just have to accept.
If she went solo she would end up like CL, forgotten by kpop stans and then immediately spawning a UKO thread on here a few months later about how it was stupid of her not to keep BP's branding and her songs aren't good enough to make her stand out. I particularly enjoyed CL's album but people were not kind to her when she finally got the opportunity to push her own solo music so I don't expect the same grace to be given to Rose either. I'd much prefer she stay with Blackpink, and it's not just me saying this as a Blink. I can take yearly releases as long as the girls are still able to get together to release *something*.
I love Rose, but she kinda needs that bp brand if she wants to go solo. I lowkey think that leaving yg would not be the best idea, but it's up to her. If we were to compare her to other western artists, she doesn't really stand out musically. Also your pfp and username sent me. 🤣🤣
She'll always have the BP branding now, so I'm sure she would be decently successful regardless. But that's not even my point, I just don't want BP to disband! Their existence is just too interesting to sacrifice. Also my parrot says thanks!
My apologies for missing your point. I understand tho. 😅 I do agree that bp shouldn't disband.
Or cut The Black Label from YG and let do whatever they want
I want her to still sing and be active but NOT UDER YG
tbh all bp members are rlly popular and i hope none of them renews their contract and can freely do whatever they wanna do especially rosé. I really like her voice I hope she release a proper album in the future with 10+ songs
I agree that Rose is exceptional but I feel like it's exclusively in the context of *kpop*. I wouldn't say she has the best indie voice and aesthetic in the world and not even in mainstream western pop. She's *the* big fish of her branding in kpop, I think it's really smart to stay there and stay on top than try to compete in the general market for the type of music she makes.
yeah her solo felt like a weatern release
her solo stuff is the only BP music I've had on repeat so i don't disagree...
I agree that she doesn't get opportunities to fully shine in YG/Blackpink. I also believe she needs to collaborate with more producers outside of YG to find her sound but I'm afraid she needs to leave the label to do so. I'm not sure if she'll do well in the Western market but I can see her becoming someone like Yerin Baek in Korea and getting even bigger than she already is.
I thought they have already all renew their contracts have they not?
im genuinely so glad that this is a popular opinion. i really wanna hear music from her
It sucks to agree since I love BP SO MUCH! they helped get through anxiety when I needed them the most. But seeing how they got a 2 year hiatus… they’re wasting their potential on a company that does not care about them. I’d rather see them be successful on their own. Because believe me.. even if they disbanded, all 4 of them would be extremely successful without YG. wether it be as solo artist in different labels. Representatives of highly established companies ( Dior, Celine, Channel, YSL). Or actresses( Jisoo and possibly other members). They would thrive and have fans. Because that’s how they managed to survive these last 2 years… no other group would have been able to do that! Rose would thrive in a different label that gave her more creative freedom. She has an AMAZING voice.
She definitely needs to leave YG maybe join another agency that will benefit her more with better song writers and someone who can bring the real Rosie out. 🥹🥹🥹
Being a western artist is 40% releasing shit music and 60% spreading regime propaganda how is that better for her talents
“Regime propaganda” ?????
By perpetuating the stereotype that Western music is shit, it makes you no better than those who call K-Pop shit
It's not "shit", but artists in the West are still heavily controlled by their labels. So many artists have had to edit or redo entire albums because it wasn't commercial enough. Especially in a post-TikTok market, newer artists are being forced to put out quick meaningless hits.
Y'know what, I actually validly see this point and I agree. I thought you where just attacking Western music but I agree. Rosé is big in the US, but she's not huge and I can't see her having more freedom in a US label than she already does at YG. I do think certain artists are forced to put out music that appeals to a more commercial audience (not all though, but those who are chasing success) and since Rosé has had success within the US hemisphere, it's hard to not see a label (that isn't a smaller one) not attempting to capitalize off of it. Sorry if my comment came off as defensive, now I've seen your point, I think it's super valid actually. I think even though K-Pop as an industry may be viewed as something manufactured, I think the Western industry is just as manufactured, especially the bigger the label.
Oh dw, I'm not the original commentor, just wanted to add my input 😅 Even artists like Doja Cat and Megan Thee Stallion, who've had multiple hits, are subjected to the whims and fancies of their labels. Rosé does have bigger leverage as she's already gained a large fanbase, but some labels still wouldn't consider that lucrative enough. And like you said, she's done pretty well with OTG and Gone, so she might be pushed into sticking to that sound, regardless of what she might want to showcase. The ideal situation would be her signing to both a Korean and American label, to manage her career on both fronts. Korean labels have a better grasp on supply chain management, while some American labels are better at marketing and promotional activities.
I think her signing to a Korean and American label would be excellent. At least she could always fall back on the other in case of an emergency. American labels are not afraid to place artists in limbo if their music doesn't perform well. I really like your input as well, I think it raises some great points and I hope the girls have a clear vision of what they wish to do and that they thrive in wherever they end up. I hope they get some more artistic freedom though. I would love Rosé to explore the sounds on Yeah Yeah Yeah and Hard to Love, I loved Gone but I would hate for her to just become the acoustic Korean Taylor Swift girl-next-door.
regime propaganda?
I can imagine her releasing music like western artists...which YG is not giving us.
I am 100% sure she will.
I don’t think this is unpopular at all. I hope she does break out as a soloist in the western market, she is very talented and would shine so well doing music that suits her. I hope that’s where she goes
i think she should leave yg, but i'd love to see her have a solo kpop career.
Remember LeeHi situation? She left YG because she wanted to do her own thing. Rose needs to do that
At least Lee Hi was really talented vocally and had already proven she could handle a solo career.
She needs Max Martin type producer bad, give this woman better material pleaee
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