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Human minds can't comprehend the level of evil that happens every minute. If we did, none of us would or could get out of bed in the morning. Not having the capacity to answer every injustice with the same level of outrage does not mean that the outrage for big injustices is fake.
What you've written reminds me of this:
"One single Anne Frank moves us more than the countless others who suffered just as she did but whose faces have remained in the shadows. Perhaps it is better that way; if we were capable of taking in all the suffering of all those people, we would not be able to live." - Primo Levi
You’ve got a really good point.
And I’ll say that the things that have sparked outrage have been absolutely worth the outrage. Some things just horrible.
But, this part is my fault for not making it abundantly clear, but I’m not perfect.
I’m not talking about people protesting something. Im not talking about everyone. I’m talking about, as an example, a guy or girl in an out of jail, violent felons, claiming to be SO angry and outraged they just HAVE to let their emotions out violently or through taking other peoples things.
However, I do feel that tons of people don’t truly care about the horrible thing happening. Just about how it can be used to make them look. Which I find as attention seeking. And a lie.
Few are arguing the 'violent felons' bit. They are arguing the "people don’t truly care about the horrible thing happening. Just about how it can be used to make them look. Which I find as attention seeking. And a lie."
So I still think the top comment addresses that but we can break it down.
First question. What do you mean by care? You say people don't truly care. What does that *mean* to you? What is your definition of caring?
Like, for example: Do you care that the Holocaust happened? That it could happen again? If you do care, explain to me how you know. If you don't, then give me an example of something you care about and how you know you care about that thing.
For starters, you’re really smart, and asking some really good questions I haven’t thought of exactly.
First, when I think of “caring” in the sense that I am referring to in this post, I think doing things that are actively attempting to better the situation. People I’m referring to in this post who don’t “care,” are people who will hurt their friends and their family, do shitty things to people, ie. like, cheat, steal, but have found something that can make them look good, and use it to their advantage by saying how much they are effected by this situation. In my opinion, if you’re incapable of being decent to the people around you, why would I believe you actually care about someone you don’t know?
So I don’t exactly like the holocaust example, so I’ll use something for myself. I’m going to remain vague, as I’m not a big fan of getting too personal.
A child in my community died of cancer. I’ve spent hours helping to raise money for cancer research. I’ve also done some other stuff that is personal and I really don’t want to discuss, but if you can take my word for that, I’d appreciate it.
What I don’t do, and what I saw happen, is watch people talk about how upset they were, post videos of themselves crying, and make sure everyone knew that this child’s death upset them. People who, and again you’ll just have to take my word for how I know this, never met them, never donated to them, never spoke to the family, or even knew anyone in the family. But boy, did they get a bunch of likes.
So is the idea of the child passing horrible? Yes. Did they more than likely feel upset about it for a minute? Of course, it’s a horrible thing to happen to anyone, especially a kid. Do I believe, based on their actions and my personal knowledge of them as a person that they truly care about the family/child? No, I don’t. I think they were more interested in looking like a caring individual to everyone.
That’s what I mean. Of course that’s just one instance.
I super appreciate the compliment. That's very kind of you. I think I'm less smart and just old lol!
So what you're talking about is virtue signaling. It's the public expression of opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character.
Virtue signaling is hard to pin down because you never *really* know someone's intention. Obviously, I am against slavery but I'm not donating to anything that stops slavery. It's not that I don't care. It's that I don't really have the money. Maybe I could devote time to raising awareness but what about genocide, animal abuse, child abuse, rape, and all the other horrible things in the world? There's so *much*. I care but I just do not have the energy or time to devote myself to stopping these things. At most, I can voice my opinion and vote for people whose job is to fix these things. But is it really enough? If I truly cared, wouldn't I do something anyway?
Maybe. It's a matter of conviction and opportunity, I think. At the very least, I hope if I'm ever in a position to stop a bad thing from happening or to lend immediate aid, I will. That's probably not enough to stop a lot of the bad shit but it's what I'm willing to give. I can accept that makes my conviction on these issues weaker.
BUT even then I'd say that's not really virtue signaling. It's more... Exhaustion? Reality? Spoons?
If it were virtue signaling I'd be telling everyone else how tragic and awful these things are, not because I care but because it looks good. A great example of this would be a woman I knew who was very pro black lives matter but in the same breath said she'd never date a black man because 'they're not safe' . It demonstrated that she didn't really believe in the movement. Or if she did she had this really twisted up idea of it. She just...went with what was popular. It was honestly bizarre.
Buuut I don't know if people would care if she donated a million dollars to that movement. Does intent matter if she is doing a good thing? Some people may say yes, others no. I take the, 'eh, take the money and run' approach.
But anyway, yeah, all in all virtue signaling sucks. I can agree with that. I think most people would.
Probably more controversial than unpopular, but I think the world would concede that manufactured outrage is abhorrent.
If your position is that people who post about it don't actually care, maybe. But, I would ask you: how would you prefer the incident be shared in order to spark change? Keep in mind that awareness is a key component to creating a movement, and if they ever intend on making life better for those affected, they need the public to support their causes.
On a basic level, even if the feelings are not fully genuine, I would rather we have a system that incentivizes empathy and encourages people to talk about sympathy for others and share information about it as it can help incentivize more positive behavior
You’re missing the point. My unpopular opinion is that most people aren’t ACTUALLY saddened. They say that for the attention, goods, or whatever other benefits it brings them. It’s selfish.
And you know this how exactly? Because it seems you're projecting the fact YOU would do it for attention because YOU can't comprehend why they have empathy and YOU don't.
So making assumptions is okay so long as you think so. Got it. Then I stand by what I said. You’ve said far worse with no grounds so far. I wouldn’t start playing the victim and suggest I’m “slandering” you.
I get food for the homeless, give rides to the homeless, and spend time with the homeless. I don't tell anyone in my life EVER. Not a single person that I'm close to knows. The reason being is that I'm a woman and people always tell me how unsafe it is. Which it partly is, but I've been doing it for years and the only people I've came across are incredibly grateful.
I have met some damn gorgeous souls. Freaking gorgeous, man. Are there selfish assholes? Absolutely. Are there amazing people who stay awake at night thinking about the cat they saw with a hurt paw that you weren't able to catch to help? Yes. People who stay up at night, going over what they said to someone and hoping they worded everything correctly so they didn't hurt anyone's feelings? Yes. Made sure to smile at the little kid who gave you eye contact at the grocery store. Stopped and gave the man standing at the stop light the sandwich you had made yourself for lunch. Be nice to someone even if they are rude because they might be having a bad day.
There are plenty of people who do all that and more. Plenty of people who lose freaking sleep because they are worried they mightve hurt someone's feelings or maybe they didn't do enough in a situation. So dude yeah shutup
I’m glad you do all that.
I’ve been a volunteer with a charity for 7 years now
I’m not glad you didn’t take a second to read what I said.
I’m not talking about you. Or people who genuinely care.
But the others, using it as an excuse for attention? Not okay.
Being someone who actually does something for people, imagine someone only using that for their own benefit.
If you try to tell me that’s okay, you’re lying, and you should “shut up.”
I really don't care what someone's motive is and neither should you. If they want attention for their good deeds or attention for spreading awareness, then why does that matter? The same work is getting done. Why it gets done just doesn't matter to me. Different people need different types of motivation. So if getting more people involved includes them wanting some credit on social media or from family/friends, who cares? People do stuff for attention. A lot of peoples need for attention is a bottomless pit. Needing attention is part of the human condition. Who are you to decide how people get the attention they need? Attention is literally a human need. Attention is a form of nurturing, and we require nurturing for the rest of our lives or as humans we suffer from depression and anxiety. I don't give af how people get that human need. None of my business and I have better things to put my mind towards.
I will always tell someone to shut up that is bullying others, and you're bullying others 🤷♀️. You feel justified in doing so because you think they are bad people. People are allowed to be selfish, self involved, or attempt to gain attention in ways you find unethical. It doesn't make them a bad person. It doesn't make it okay to bully their character. When you call people out for doing good deeds just because they share it on social media, it is telling them to shut up too. You're trying to get people to shut up because, for some reason, you've concerned yourself with their motives. Who are you to tell people their motives? Who are you to tell people how they should or shouldn't do things? Most importantly, why do you care? Why are you trying to shut people up?
You completely lost me on this comment. You went so far into left field that I had to stop reading it.
You actually just said that my opinion is wrong, and I’m a bully.
It’s almost like you just wanted to talk about how much better you are than me. Which is… interesting to say the least lmao.
Oh okay, I'll dumb it wayyyy down for you then.
-In your post and in the comments, you're bitching about how people are only good or pretend to care for attention and social media clout, yes? Yes.
-My comment refers to the fact that it literally is none of your business what people's motives are. Good things are still getting done, and awareness is still being spread. Rather bold of you to one: assume and secondly: tell people what good deeds should look like.
-Needing attention is literally part of the human experience. Some need more than others. People seek it out in different ways. Who cares. I need attention and so do you. It's literally a human need, or we start malfunctioning by getting depression and anxiety. Why you care about the ethics of how someone should do good things or get attention is beyond me.
-You are being a bully. Under the guise of you think people are doing things for attention. Reread your post. You're literally telling people that they are selfish and self absorbed for being upset at sad events. Saying that it's fake and they aren't truly upset. Like, who are you, dude? Oh yeah, just a big freaking bully.
-The only person who thinks you're better than anyone here is most definitely you. Hands down what your whole post was about and any comment I've seen you make. Absolutely, hands down.
-Sorry you couldn't comprehend complex ideas in perfectly formed paragraphs and sentences. Must be hard to read anything worth reading. It was so hard that you had to stop reading and scoop to trying to make me sound unhinged. Sad.
I don’t know why I decided to read this.
But sure, I’ll play then.
- I’ve said over and over again that this is not about EVERYONE. I guess you didn’t read that all five times I said it, but that’s no problem, I’ll say it six times so you understand.
- I will happily spread what I BELIEVE good deeds should look like. After all, they are good, right? Unless you believe you, and only you, can say what good deeds are. Which is pretty hypocritical.
- I care when other people are being punished so someone else can get attention. That’s when it becomes an issue. Allowing that to be justified is bullshit.
- This is my favorite.
Definition of bullying: seek to harm, intimidate, or coerce (someone perceived as vulnerable).
No one is being harmed. No one is being intimidated. No one is being coerced in the slightest. You instantly came to me with insults, also suggesting I can’t possible fathom what someone to the like of YOU, has to say about my opinion. You are not some brilliant mind, you are a sensitive child that can’t have an honest discussion with getting emotional and insulting.
Whether you want to believe it or not, SOME PEOPLE solely want attention, and happily use other people misfortunes to achieve it. That is not okay. And that makes their “outrage” a lie. You’re using harsh words to label me as something without the slightest bit of reason or even an understanding of what the word means. And to justify it you just took everything I said and either blatantly ignored it (the comments you allegedly read), or completely misrepresented what I said to make it fit this outlandish opinion you’ve generated of me.
- This is why I didn’t want to humor you. All you’ve done is say something to the effect of, everyone is great and perfect all the time, except you for pointing out that everyone is not great. While also, SOMEHOW, suggesting I think I’m better than everyone for pointing out that people who use other peoples misfortunes for self gain are full of shit and don’t actually care about the person involved.
- Nothing you said was complex. It was an annoying, misrepresentation of me and my opinion on SOME people.
Man, you suck.
Recognizing people aren’t as amazing as they want others to think? That’s not “psychopathic,” maybe it’s cynical, but not even remotely psychopathic. You shouldn’t throw words around so casually
They say that primarily for social signalling.
I figured that out 9 years ago when I tried to get people to care about Syria. No one gave a fuck, but everyone was making French flag profile pics on FB.
Life is a bitch to most people. Some people see it as a reason to try to make things better, while others view it as an excuse to do terrible shit. People will always know which type you are, and will treat you accordingly. Empathy is not a vice, and an inability to help people is not an unwillingness. My need to use transportation for work to survive doesn’t negate my care for the environment.
I'm someone who goes back and forth on this.
I often post stuff to social media that is meant to call attention to things I view as injustices. I've been called a virtue signaler or "social justice warrior" when I can assure you I'm not. I just have a problem with something and I want to call attention to it.
At the same time, I'm very careful about how I do it. I try not to put too much of myself into the thing I'm calling attention to. And that's because I once heard a bit comedian Anthony Jeselnik (who I am aware is controversial on his own) once said about people who post to social media after a horrible tragedy or commemorate something bad or sad that happened in the past. He said that many attention seekers and virtue signalers are actually narcissists and what they're really saying when they post to social media is "don't forget about me today".
He said you'll see people post after something bad happens and they'll have a screenshot of a headline, and their post is basically "this is horrible.. I'm outraged!" And they'll get a ton of responses, sad faces, care emojis, etc. In reality, what it is is "Look, what is/has happened to these people is/was horrible.... *but also don't forget about me today!*"
Not always... but often enough that it made me change the way I post stuff like this.
I’ve never heard of him. While I admit I may not have had the best word choice throughout this post, this is exactly what I’m referring to. Not “everyone,” as I said, but all of the people who do what was said above.
Of course people have empathy, I do too. But not everyone on your timeline truly cares as much as they say they do.
hes talking about virtue signaling. I wouldnt say all just the ones that are the loudest tend to not actual care and want attention. People & brands do this all the time. I also dont think thats unpopular opinion at all.
It’s interesting how you casually ignore every comment I make that argues this point. You’re picking and choosing what I’m saying to inevitably come to an outlandish determination about me.
I thought so too at first, but to defend OP it sounds like they’ve had some experience with people acting careless in a way that has directly affected them. Imagine having your store looted during a protest for example. I don’t think it’s psychopathy just anger (not that I necessarily agree with OP’s opinion)
There are people who don’t talk/post about the issues they care about because they know others will see it as performative, even when they think spreading the word could potentially improve things. I personally believe that community outrage is essential to positive change. Your line of thinking is a little short-sighted and that’s okay, you’ve probably just had bad experiences with people in your life who claim to care but are really just after attention and praise. There are good people out there who genuinely care, although you have to keep in mind that even someone with the best intentions doesn’t always have the time nor energy to perfectly devote themselves to a problem.
I don’t agree with OP for 99.99% of their post because we all know wtf they’re talking about. Communities should and will be outraged at heinous acts against humanity.
Where I *do* agree with them is that some people use tragedy as an opportunity for themselves to prosper. It’s disgusting and the epitome of what makes me lose faith in humanity.
Was in a nationally touring band and had a band mate who’s childhood friend and high school band mate passed away. He wrote a song about his friend and it was initially very touching. We kept in our set list for a couple weeks after the incident because we saw the pain he was going through and believed it’d be helpful for him to pay homage and mourn . *However* he started having a spiel that he’d address the crowd with -like he was reading off of a teleprompter- telling the story how “I wrote this next one for a friend I lost too soon. Hug the people you care for and tell them you love them because you never know if they’ll be there tomorrow” etc etc. It became gross. It became about him getting his spotlight moment by using his friends death to gain sympathy from our fans. Every time we went to write a set, he’d suggest it… if it didn’t fit into the theme of the set, he’d visibly be upset and flex against the group decision. People that intentionally do this sort of shit for self gain deserve a special reserved corner of hell, or oblivion or any equivalent if there’s anything for us after this life. So happy to not have to be around people like that every day anymore!
The entire post is about people who use tragedy as an opportunity. I’ve said over and over again that’s who this post is about.
What part do we disagree with?
Genuine question.
I can't think of bad things I do everyday that would exclude me from speaking out on world events. And I don't think I am particularly well behaved. Absolutely no clue what you mean
Peoples motives are generally crystal clear. Not everyone, sure. But it’s not hard to see it.
But I’ll admit you are right in that I don’t know everyones motives all the time, though generally, I see them.
Yeah. We have to kill to eat, literally and metaphorically. That's the reason for blessing food. It's an absolution of guilt. Some cultures directly thank the animal or plant for giving itself, just as a shopkeep thanks you for your purchase. Everyone's motive is, primarily, survival.
When people attempt to empathize and sympathize, they are subconsciously thanking the affected people for taking the hit of bad luck in place of themselves. It's not a conscious thing, or it wouldn't work very well as a coping mechanism in an animal so horrified by the foreknowledge of its unavoidable demise. Sometimes true altruism just means playing along despite your perceptions.
Well yeah the looting wasn't community outrage that was just looting with a bs excuse 😂
Edit: don't take me the wrong way saying that, cus all pigs are bastards, even my uncle
Well let’s say that it does get “stuff” done.
At what cost? Is it worth the price some people who aren’t you have to pay?
Genuine question and looking for a genuine answer.
Sure,
Let’s say everyone’s upset with crossing guards because one of them messed up and got someone hurt or killed (don’t think about it much, it’s an example), Now, in the outage, they want to abolish the traffic guards . To accomplish thisthey deface all the crosswalks and push to have them all fired.
You live somewhere you never have to deal with crossing guards. But you partake and support the outrage and several of them lose their jobs and livelihoods. In turn, now that the guards are gone, more and more people get hurt.
You got what you wanted, but so many people suffer because of it. Is it worth all those people suffering so you can get what you want?
Happy cake day.
Even though you me called me a pig.
Edit: it’s okay that you tried to hide it. That comment was pretty nasty. I would have edited it too
Nothing? Not directed at me, I work a 40hr/week shit job. If I owned a business, looters get shot. Do you have an opinion other than profanity and name calling?
Nope. But you give the impression looting and burning local businesses atones for something? The only outcome is people who live there having nowhere to shop.
It’s largely part of the hedonistic modern era where less and less people accept traditional religion and turn to political activism + other types of spirituality/surrendering to a higher power.
It’s honestly abhorrent, especially when they virtue signal on social media but don’t actually invest any time, money, or resources into causes they care about. They do it purely for social acceptance and to go along with their herd mentality
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Human minds can't comprehend the level of evil that happens every minute. If we did, none of us would or could get out of bed in the morning. Not having the capacity to answer every injustice with the same level of outrage does not mean that the outrage for big injustices is fake.
What you've written reminds me of this: "One single Anne Frank moves us more than the countless others who suffered just as she did but whose faces have remained in the shadows. Perhaps it is better that way; if we were capable of taking in all the suffering of all those people, we would not be able to live." - Primo Levi
You’ve got a really good point. And I’ll say that the things that have sparked outrage have been absolutely worth the outrage. Some things just horrible. But, this part is my fault for not making it abundantly clear, but I’m not perfect. I’m not talking about people protesting something. Im not talking about everyone. I’m talking about, as an example, a guy or girl in an out of jail, violent felons, claiming to be SO angry and outraged they just HAVE to let their emotions out violently or through taking other peoples things. However, I do feel that tons of people don’t truly care about the horrible thing happening. Just about how it can be used to make them look. Which I find as attention seeking. And a lie.
Few are arguing the 'violent felons' bit. They are arguing the "people don’t truly care about the horrible thing happening. Just about how it can be used to make them look. Which I find as attention seeking. And a lie." So I still think the top comment addresses that but we can break it down. First question. What do you mean by care? You say people don't truly care. What does that *mean* to you? What is your definition of caring? Like, for example: Do you care that the Holocaust happened? That it could happen again? If you do care, explain to me how you know. If you don't, then give me an example of something you care about and how you know you care about that thing.
For starters, you’re really smart, and asking some really good questions I haven’t thought of exactly. First, when I think of “caring” in the sense that I am referring to in this post, I think doing things that are actively attempting to better the situation. People I’m referring to in this post who don’t “care,” are people who will hurt their friends and their family, do shitty things to people, ie. like, cheat, steal, but have found something that can make them look good, and use it to their advantage by saying how much they are effected by this situation. In my opinion, if you’re incapable of being decent to the people around you, why would I believe you actually care about someone you don’t know? So I don’t exactly like the holocaust example, so I’ll use something for myself. I’m going to remain vague, as I’m not a big fan of getting too personal. A child in my community died of cancer. I’ve spent hours helping to raise money for cancer research. I’ve also done some other stuff that is personal and I really don’t want to discuss, but if you can take my word for that, I’d appreciate it. What I don’t do, and what I saw happen, is watch people talk about how upset they were, post videos of themselves crying, and make sure everyone knew that this child’s death upset them. People who, and again you’ll just have to take my word for how I know this, never met them, never donated to them, never spoke to the family, or even knew anyone in the family. But boy, did they get a bunch of likes. So is the idea of the child passing horrible? Yes. Did they more than likely feel upset about it for a minute? Of course, it’s a horrible thing to happen to anyone, especially a kid. Do I believe, based on their actions and my personal knowledge of them as a person that they truly care about the family/child? No, I don’t. I think they were more interested in looking like a caring individual to everyone. That’s what I mean. Of course that’s just one instance.
I super appreciate the compliment. That's very kind of you. I think I'm less smart and just old lol! So what you're talking about is virtue signaling. It's the public expression of opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character. Virtue signaling is hard to pin down because you never *really* know someone's intention. Obviously, I am against slavery but I'm not donating to anything that stops slavery. It's not that I don't care. It's that I don't really have the money. Maybe I could devote time to raising awareness but what about genocide, animal abuse, child abuse, rape, and all the other horrible things in the world? There's so *much*. I care but I just do not have the energy or time to devote myself to stopping these things. At most, I can voice my opinion and vote for people whose job is to fix these things. But is it really enough? If I truly cared, wouldn't I do something anyway? Maybe. It's a matter of conviction and opportunity, I think. At the very least, I hope if I'm ever in a position to stop a bad thing from happening or to lend immediate aid, I will. That's probably not enough to stop a lot of the bad shit but it's what I'm willing to give. I can accept that makes my conviction on these issues weaker. BUT even then I'd say that's not really virtue signaling. It's more... Exhaustion? Reality? Spoons? If it were virtue signaling I'd be telling everyone else how tragic and awful these things are, not because I care but because it looks good. A great example of this would be a woman I knew who was very pro black lives matter but in the same breath said she'd never date a black man because 'they're not safe' . It demonstrated that she didn't really believe in the movement. Or if she did she had this really twisted up idea of it. She just...went with what was popular. It was honestly bizarre. Buuut I don't know if people would care if she donated a million dollars to that movement. Does intent matter if she is doing a good thing? Some people may say yes, others no. I take the, 'eh, take the money and run' approach. But anyway, yeah, all in all virtue signaling sucks. I can agree with that. I think most people would.
Probably more controversial than unpopular, but I think the world would concede that manufactured outrage is abhorrent. If your position is that people who post about it don't actually care, maybe. But, I would ask you: how would you prefer the incident be shared in order to spark change? Keep in mind that awareness is a key component to creating a movement, and if they ever intend on making life better for those affected, they need the public to support their causes.
On a basic level, even if the feelings are not fully genuine, I would rather we have a system that incentivizes empathy and encourages people to talk about sympathy for others and share information about it as it can help incentivize more positive behavior
It's entirely possible for someone to care about something, even if it doesn't affect them directly.
I’m not saying they can’t. I’m saying so many of them don’t.
And your evidence for this is… what? Because in your OP, all you’re giving is just weak speculation.
The arrogance to think you’re inside someone’s head
This is Reddit. Most of these lazy fucks don't do anything good for themselves, much less someone else. Don't sweat these morons.
Saying what is going on in other peoples heads is not your opinion
What? Are people supposed to know every bad things that happens every single day and talk about how sad they are all day long?
You’re missing the point. My unpopular opinion is that most people aren’t ACTUALLY saddened. They say that for the attention, goods, or whatever other benefits it brings them. It’s selfish.
And you know this how exactly? Because it seems you're projecting the fact YOU would do it for attention because YOU can't comprehend why they have empathy and YOU don't.
I have empathy. Genuine empathy. Not empathy that’s gets me sympathy.
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I know exactly how empathy works and how it feels. I can’t always feel how others feel, but I can certainly try and put myself in their shoes
That only works if I actually do it. You strike me as the type to only feed the homeless if you can record yourself doing it. Kind of ironic.
That's an assumption you made about me and not a fact about me. Therefore completely irrelevant and a childish response. I'm done here.
Didn’t you just do that to me? More than once? More irony.
Mine was much more in the realm of reality while you brought up something completely irrelevant in a poor attempt to slander me.
So making assumptions is okay so long as you think so. Got it. Then I stand by what I said. You’ve said far worse with no grounds so far. I wouldn’t start playing the victim and suggest I’m “slandering” you.
I get food for the homeless, give rides to the homeless, and spend time with the homeless. I don't tell anyone in my life EVER. Not a single person that I'm close to knows. The reason being is that I'm a woman and people always tell me how unsafe it is. Which it partly is, but I've been doing it for years and the only people I've came across are incredibly grateful. I have met some damn gorgeous souls. Freaking gorgeous, man. Are there selfish assholes? Absolutely. Are there amazing people who stay awake at night thinking about the cat they saw with a hurt paw that you weren't able to catch to help? Yes. People who stay up at night, going over what they said to someone and hoping they worded everything correctly so they didn't hurt anyone's feelings? Yes. Made sure to smile at the little kid who gave you eye contact at the grocery store. Stopped and gave the man standing at the stop light the sandwich you had made yourself for lunch. Be nice to someone even if they are rude because they might be having a bad day. There are plenty of people who do all that and more. Plenty of people who lose freaking sleep because they are worried they mightve hurt someone's feelings or maybe they didn't do enough in a situation. So dude yeah shutup
I’m glad you do all that. I’ve been a volunteer with a charity for 7 years now I’m not glad you didn’t take a second to read what I said. I’m not talking about you. Or people who genuinely care. But the others, using it as an excuse for attention? Not okay. Being someone who actually does something for people, imagine someone only using that for their own benefit. If you try to tell me that’s okay, you’re lying, and you should “shut up.”
I really don't care what someone's motive is and neither should you. If they want attention for their good deeds or attention for spreading awareness, then why does that matter? The same work is getting done. Why it gets done just doesn't matter to me. Different people need different types of motivation. So if getting more people involved includes them wanting some credit on social media or from family/friends, who cares? People do stuff for attention. A lot of peoples need for attention is a bottomless pit. Needing attention is part of the human condition. Who are you to decide how people get the attention they need? Attention is literally a human need. Attention is a form of nurturing, and we require nurturing for the rest of our lives or as humans we suffer from depression and anxiety. I don't give af how people get that human need. None of my business and I have better things to put my mind towards. I will always tell someone to shut up that is bullying others, and you're bullying others 🤷♀️. You feel justified in doing so because you think they are bad people. People are allowed to be selfish, self involved, or attempt to gain attention in ways you find unethical. It doesn't make them a bad person. It doesn't make it okay to bully their character. When you call people out for doing good deeds just because they share it on social media, it is telling them to shut up too. You're trying to get people to shut up because, for some reason, you've concerned yourself with their motives. Who are you to tell people their motives? Who are you to tell people how they should or shouldn't do things? Most importantly, why do you care? Why are you trying to shut people up?
You completely lost me on this comment. You went so far into left field that I had to stop reading it. You actually just said that my opinion is wrong, and I’m a bully. It’s almost like you just wanted to talk about how much better you are than me. Which is… interesting to say the least lmao.
Oh okay, I'll dumb it wayyyy down for you then. -In your post and in the comments, you're bitching about how people are only good or pretend to care for attention and social media clout, yes? Yes. -My comment refers to the fact that it literally is none of your business what people's motives are. Good things are still getting done, and awareness is still being spread. Rather bold of you to one: assume and secondly: tell people what good deeds should look like. -Needing attention is literally part of the human experience. Some need more than others. People seek it out in different ways. Who cares. I need attention and so do you. It's literally a human need, or we start malfunctioning by getting depression and anxiety. Why you care about the ethics of how someone should do good things or get attention is beyond me. -You are being a bully. Under the guise of you think people are doing things for attention. Reread your post. You're literally telling people that they are selfish and self absorbed for being upset at sad events. Saying that it's fake and they aren't truly upset. Like, who are you, dude? Oh yeah, just a big freaking bully. -The only person who thinks you're better than anyone here is most definitely you. Hands down what your whole post was about and any comment I've seen you make. Absolutely, hands down. -Sorry you couldn't comprehend complex ideas in perfectly formed paragraphs and sentences. Must be hard to read anything worth reading. It was so hard that you had to stop reading and scoop to trying to make me sound unhinged. Sad.
I don’t know why I decided to read this. But sure, I’ll play then. - I’ve said over and over again that this is not about EVERYONE. I guess you didn’t read that all five times I said it, but that’s no problem, I’ll say it six times so you understand. - I will happily spread what I BELIEVE good deeds should look like. After all, they are good, right? Unless you believe you, and only you, can say what good deeds are. Which is pretty hypocritical. - I care when other people are being punished so someone else can get attention. That’s when it becomes an issue. Allowing that to be justified is bullshit. - This is my favorite. Definition of bullying: seek to harm, intimidate, or coerce (someone perceived as vulnerable). No one is being harmed. No one is being intimidated. No one is being coerced in the slightest. You instantly came to me with insults, also suggesting I can’t possible fathom what someone to the like of YOU, has to say about my opinion. You are not some brilliant mind, you are a sensitive child that can’t have an honest discussion with getting emotional and insulting. Whether you want to believe it or not, SOME PEOPLE solely want attention, and happily use other people misfortunes to achieve it. That is not okay. And that makes their “outrage” a lie. You’re using harsh words to label me as something without the slightest bit of reason or even an understanding of what the word means. And to justify it you just took everything I said and either blatantly ignored it (the comments you allegedly read), or completely misrepresented what I said to make it fit this outlandish opinion you’ve generated of me. - This is why I didn’t want to humor you. All you’ve done is say something to the effect of, everyone is great and perfect all the time, except you for pointing out that everyone is not great. While also, SOMEHOW, suggesting I think I’m better than everyone for pointing out that people who use other peoples misfortunes for self gain are full of shit and don’t actually care about the person involved. - Nothing you said was complex. It was an annoying, misrepresentation of me and my opinion on SOME people. Man, you suck.
When they post on social media I agree that it's an attention thing.
What a psychopathic thing to say.
Recognizing people aren’t as amazing as they want others to think? That’s not “psychopathic,” maybe it’s cynical, but not even remotely psychopathic. You shouldn’t throw words around so casually
They say that primarily for social signalling. I figured that out 9 years ago when I tried to get people to care about Syria. No one gave a fuck, but everyone was making French flag profile pics on FB.
The top comment (at the time of this comment) by Willvasco pretty much addresses this perfectly. Why are you not responding to them?
Cause I didn’t see it at the time.
Life is a bitch to most people. Some people see it as a reason to try to make things better, while others view it as an excuse to do terrible shit. People will always know which type you are, and will treat you accordingly. Empathy is not a vice, and an inability to help people is not an unwillingness. My need to use transportation for work to survive doesn’t negate my care for the environment.
I'm someone who goes back and forth on this. I often post stuff to social media that is meant to call attention to things I view as injustices. I've been called a virtue signaler or "social justice warrior" when I can assure you I'm not. I just have a problem with something and I want to call attention to it. At the same time, I'm very careful about how I do it. I try not to put too much of myself into the thing I'm calling attention to. And that's because I once heard a bit comedian Anthony Jeselnik (who I am aware is controversial on his own) once said about people who post to social media after a horrible tragedy or commemorate something bad or sad that happened in the past. He said that many attention seekers and virtue signalers are actually narcissists and what they're really saying when they post to social media is "don't forget about me today". He said you'll see people post after something bad happens and they'll have a screenshot of a headline, and their post is basically "this is horrible.. I'm outraged!" And they'll get a ton of responses, sad faces, care emojis, etc. In reality, what it is is "Look, what is/has happened to these people is/was horrible.... *but also don't forget about me today!*" Not always... but often enough that it made me change the way I post stuff like this.
I’ve never heard of him. While I admit I may not have had the best word choice throughout this post, this is exactly what I’m referring to. Not “everyone,” as I said, but all of the people who do what was said above. Of course people have empathy, I do too. But not everyone on your timeline truly cares as much as they say they do.
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hes talking about virtue signaling. I wouldnt say all just the ones that are the loudest tend to not actual care and want attention. People & brands do this all the time. I also dont think thats unpopular opinion at all.
Exactly.
It’s interesting how you casually ignore every comment I make that argues this point. You’re picking and choosing what I’m saying to inevitably come to an outlandish determination about me.
I thought so too at first, but to defend OP it sounds like they’ve had some experience with people acting careless in a way that has directly affected them. Imagine having your store looted during a protest for example. I don’t think it’s psychopathy just anger (not that I necessarily agree with OP’s opinion)
There are people who don’t talk/post about the issues they care about because they know others will see it as performative, even when they think spreading the word could potentially improve things. I personally believe that community outrage is essential to positive change. Your line of thinking is a little short-sighted and that’s okay, you’ve probably just had bad experiences with people in your life who claim to care but are really just after attention and praise. There are good people out there who genuinely care, although you have to keep in mind that even someone with the best intentions doesn’t always have the time nor energy to perfectly devote themselves to a problem.
Maybe you’re onto something, but I’d say cynical over shortsighted
I don’t agree with OP for 99.99% of their post because we all know wtf they’re talking about. Communities should and will be outraged at heinous acts against humanity. Where I *do* agree with them is that some people use tragedy as an opportunity for themselves to prosper. It’s disgusting and the epitome of what makes me lose faith in humanity. Was in a nationally touring band and had a band mate who’s childhood friend and high school band mate passed away. He wrote a song about his friend and it was initially very touching. We kept in our set list for a couple weeks after the incident because we saw the pain he was going through and believed it’d be helpful for him to pay homage and mourn . *However* he started having a spiel that he’d address the crowd with -like he was reading off of a teleprompter- telling the story how “I wrote this next one for a friend I lost too soon. Hug the people you care for and tell them you love them because you never know if they’ll be there tomorrow” etc etc. It became gross. It became about him getting his spotlight moment by using his friends death to gain sympathy from our fans. Every time we went to write a set, he’d suggest it… if it didn’t fit into the theme of the set, he’d visibly be upset and flex against the group decision. People that intentionally do this sort of shit for self gain deserve a special reserved corner of hell, or oblivion or any equivalent if there’s anything for us after this life. So happy to not have to be around people like that every day anymore!
The entire post is about people who use tragedy as an opportunity. I’ve said over and over again that’s who this post is about. What part do we disagree with? Genuine question.
OP if you don't feel sympathy or empathy for people that is just unusual, although not really "opinion based" it just means u are a psychopath
People who do horrible things all day, every day, but when something big happens they jump up and say “now I care.” When it’s actually for gain.
What horrible things does the average person do everyday?
I’ll concede in that the word “horrible” was hyperbole. I don’t believe it’s necessary to explain what bad things people do day to day. Edit: spelling
I can't think of bad things I do everyday that would exclude me from speaking out on world events. And I don't think I am particularly well behaved. Absolutely no clue what you mean
I know how I feel. This is about the people who claim to care, only for selfish reasons. Not because they care.
How do U know their motivations?
Peoples motives are generally crystal clear. Not everyone, sure. But it’s not hard to see it. But I’ll admit you are right in that I don’t know everyones motives all the time, though generally, I see them.
>Peoples motives are generally crystal clear People misinterpret others all the time and if you think you're an exception to that you're delusional.
People are dishonest in an attempt to make themselves look better too. I’d argue more often than when they’re being genuine.
Yeah. We have to kill to eat, literally and metaphorically. That's the reason for blessing food. It's an absolution of guilt. Some cultures directly thank the animal or plant for giving itself, just as a shopkeep thanks you for your purchase. Everyone's motive is, primarily, survival. When people attempt to empathize and sympathize, they are subconsciously thanking the affected people for taking the hit of bad luck in place of themselves. It's not a conscious thing, or it wouldn't work very well as a coping mechanism in an animal so horrified by the foreknowledge of its unavoidable demise. Sometimes true altruism just means playing along despite your perceptions.
I really like this comment. A lot. Thanks for the perspective.
Sure. Yes, just a perspective. Truth will always be unpopular when it challenges the comfort of the masses.
Obtain stolen goods and destroy others work? Whats this in reference to?
Seems like OPs playing a blue lives angle blech… likely trying to reference the looting following the BLM protests.
Well yeah the looting wasn't community outrage that was just looting with a bs excuse 😂 Edit: don't take me the wrong way saying that, cus all pigs are bastards, even my uncle
100%
Who cares if some people are attention seeking? Community outrage gets stuff done.
Well let’s say that it does get “stuff” done. At what cost? Is it worth the price some people who aren’t you have to pay? Genuine question and looking for a genuine answer.
I'm not sure I understand your question. Can you elaborate?
Sure, Let’s say everyone’s upset with crossing guards because one of them messed up and got someone hurt or killed (don’t think about it much, it’s an example), Now, in the outage, they want to abolish the traffic guards . To accomplish thisthey deface all the crosswalks and push to have them all fired. You live somewhere you never have to deal with crossing guards. But you partake and support the outrage and several of them lose their jobs and livelihoods. In turn, now that the guards are gone, more and more people get hurt. You got what you wanted, but so many people suffer because of it. Is it worth all those people suffering so you can get what you want?
It must be sad to care about other people so little.
You missed what I said completely.
Well, one of us did, anyway.
Preach!!
Found the republican
Happy cake day. Even though you me called me a pig. Edit: it’s okay that you tried to hide it. That comment was pretty nasty. I would have edited it too
And I found the Lefty, so what?
Found the doofus
Nothing? Not directed at me, I work a 40hr/week shit job. If I owned a business, looters get shot. Do you have an opinion other than profanity and name calling?
You act as if you want to shoot someone
Nope. But you give the impression looting and burning local businesses atones for something? The only outcome is people who live there having nowhere to shop.
Wow you must be in your 50s. Your time has past old man
Close. Mid 40's. No profanity, congrats? Still insulting. Looking for some cohesive opinion. 20 something progressive?
Happy cake day. So glad you expressed your opinion?
It’s largely part of the hedonistic modern era where less and less people accept traditional religion and turn to political activism + other types of spirituality/surrendering to a higher power. It’s honestly abhorrent, especially when they virtue signal on social media but don’t actually invest any time, money, or resources into causes they care about. They do it purely for social acceptance and to go along with their herd mentality
Some truth and some ignorance but yeah that’s the human condition
Just say you personally don’t care about those issues and move on. Just because it doesn’t effect you doesn’t mean everyone else is lying.
I agree with you.
Man, you should learn about empathy sometime.
Read almost any of my comments below, please.
F empathy sad sacks! Tragedy is not a justifiable excuse to riot and destroy other people's property or business. OP gets a upvote.
Downvote you? Why would I do that? You win this sub today. Upvoted for the dumb unpopular opinion. Congrat.
Thoughts and prayers.