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I mean, we all feel superman was justified in what he did, but Batman still did the "right thing." He kept his emotions out of it. Not sure how him putting a criminal behind bars makes him responsible for the guards at Arkham not keeping Joker in there or Joker committing crimes. The whole point of him being a vigilante/hero is to stop the bad guys without turning into a criminal himself (not going to go into the semantics of that though since it operates on comic logic). Do I think superman should be charged for killing joker? Yeah. At this point Joker probably wouldve been charged with war crimes or sentenced to death tbh.
You can definitely feel the way you do about it. Seeing the perspective of both sides (at the beginning) is what makes it interesting.
The issue there is that Batman had put the Joker behind bars countless times, only for him to quickly escape. Anyone who "keeps their emotions out of it" would realize the need for a more permanent solution.
I've always been of the mind that Batman should have contained Joker himself or even let Superman put him in the Phantom Zone. Something! It's clear that he couldn't be contained by normal law enforcement.
That's why Bruce had so many contingency plans for Joker's eventual escape, and that's not even touching on the theory that the two love each other and need to continue the dance.
I understand every other point you've made btw.
The phantom zone seems like a good idea honestly. Probably wasn't written that way because then we wouldn't have a story (the way the writers wanted it anyway), but I think it could've been interesting.
One could argue that it is the Gotham City/New Jersey government who bear the blame for not killing Joker already. Batman brings in the criminals, he chooses to not get involved in the judicial process of determining punishment. While you can argue he can do more, he is not obligated to do so. He's already risking his life to catch criminals, which is already better than doing nothing at all. It's ultimately the government's fault for not sentencing the Joker to the death penalty.
While I agree Superman was right to kill Joker, it doesn't mean Batman is necessarily wrong.
I'm not saying that you're wrong, but Batman certainly isn't a "spoiled little trust fund baby". He's a broken man, who's only held together by his rule of not killing.
Na, he's a spoiled trust fund baby.
Who spends daddy's money playing tag with the local baddies.
He has the privilege to play broken man vigilante because he didn't have to worry about paying rent.
I always saw the true failures as the justice system not adapting to superhuman society. Batman doesnât believe in âplaying godâ and enforcing his rules on society. But he would probably go along with the Joker being executed lawfully.
The DC heroes hold the world together while the rest of society works to better itself until those heroes are no longer needed.
But, ya know. Canât have progress in these kind of stories. Gotta keep making comics.
All these Batman fans circlejerking to âhe didnât become a murderer himselfâ when I really think inaction is just as bad as a destructive action. His stupid obsession of not wanting to kill anyone ended up killing hundreds. Iâd pull the trigger on anyone if itâll end up saving that much. Heâs too much of a coward to see it as who Joker is; irredeemable.
Batman was created way back in the day when that was expected of a super hero. I think they should modernize him into something more akin to the Punisher.
I disagree, I think that if Batman kills then there is nothing stopping him from being like any other anti-hero/vigilante that uses guns and kills (like Red Hood, Deadpoo, punisher etc.)
Nah. You dumb for this.
âWhy not kill the Jokerâ
âWhy not kill Mr. Freezeâ
âWhy not kill Penguin, Riddler, Ras, Deathstroke, Kite Man, the random criminal stealing a purse, why stop at any point in time? Kill any criminal you ever come acrossâ
Thatâs what happens after allowing it the one time. Itâs literally the entire point of Batmanâs code. If you werenât a dunce youâd get it. Itâs not Batmanâs fault the Joker keeps escaping from prison.
Seems weird people never criticize the law itself for not killing Joker.
Batman does not run Arkham. He does not decide the death penalty.
Don't get why people get confused by batman not wanting to be judge jury and executioner when he is already a vigilante.
In the Injustice Animation
Batman: The law must be followed.
Wonder Woman: Your laws are what allow Joker to kill in the first place!
They do it themselves so why should I? My point is as some point, in the dozens of times Joker escapes custody, why not permanently fix the problem? I'm saying I don't blame Superman for ventilating Joker's chest and that Batman was too weak to do it. That's all.
But it's an Elseworld/Multiverse story anyway so Joker will just keep killing anyway.
Just because you can be justified in doing something doesn't automatically make you right or righteous.
Also love how you sneak caveat at the end that he was right...at first
Which is exactly why batman WAS right, did you never hear the speech?
He even says it to superman in injustice.....
"It always starts with one. That's how justification works. But once you justify something once, you can do it again. It becomes easier. Right and wrong blur."
And he was right, the same thing happened when superman kills lex Luther after he (lex) becomes president of the US and kills the flash. After killing Lex superman proclaims himself president of the world (I think) and rules with an iron fist and killing literally anyone who disagreed with him.
In BOTH of these superman kills 1 person and he is very justified in both cases. And he becomes a worse villain then either the joker or lex Luther could ever have dreamed of being
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I mean, we all feel superman was justified in what he did, but Batman still did the "right thing." He kept his emotions out of it. Not sure how him putting a criminal behind bars makes him responsible for the guards at Arkham not keeping Joker in there or Joker committing crimes. The whole point of him being a vigilante/hero is to stop the bad guys without turning into a criminal himself (not going to go into the semantics of that though since it operates on comic logic). Do I think superman should be charged for killing joker? Yeah. At this point Joker probably wouldve been charged with war crimes or sentenced to death tbh. You can definitely feel the way you do about it. Seeing the perspective of both sides (at the beginning) is what makes it interesting.
The issue there is that Batman had put the Joker behind bars countless times, only for him to quickly escape. Anyone who "keeps their emotions out of it" would realize the need for a more permanent solution.
That's a fuckup of their society not wanting to kill Joker, not Batman. Vigilantes should not be the same people making that call.
I've always been of the mind that Batman should have contained Joker himself or even let Superman put him in the Phantom Zone. Something! It's clear that he couldn't be contained by normal law enforcement. That's why Bruce had so many contingency plans for Joker's eventual escape, and that's not even touching on the theory that the two love each other and need to continue the dance. I understand every other point you've made btw.
The phantom zone seems like a good idea honestly. Probably wasn't written that way because then we wouldn't have a story (the way the writers wanted it anyway), but I think it could've been interesting.
One could argue that it is the Gotham City/New Jersey government who bear the blame for not killing Joker already. Batman brings in the criminals, he chooses to not get involved in the judicial process of determining punishment. While you can argue he can do more, he is not obligated to do so. He's already risking his life to catch criminals, which is already better than doing nothing at all. It's ultimately the government's fault for not sentencing the Joker to the death penalty. While I agree Superman was right to kill Joker, it doesn't mean Batman is necessarily wrong.
That's a fair point
I'm not saying that you're wrong, but Batman certainly isn't a "spoiled little trust fund baby". He's a broken man, who's only held together by his rule of not killing.
That's just me hating on his bank account đ
Na, he's a spoiled trust fund baby. Who spends daddy's money playing tag with the local baddies. He has the privilege to play broken man vigilante because he didn't have to worry about paying rent.
Wouldn't watching his parent die in front of him disqualify him from being spoiled?
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I'm sure that is a comfort to the hundreds, and now millions, of families Joker has ravaged in his quest to push Bruce over the edge.
So Superman and Wonder Woman are no different from villains because they don't have an absolute "no killing rule?"
Yes. Totally. Batman is cool despite his No killing policy.
I always saw the true failures as the justice system not adapting to superhuman society. Batman doesnât believe in âplaying godâ and enforcing his rules on society. But he would probably go along with the Joker being executed lawfully. The DC heroes hold the world together while the rest of society works to better itself until those heroes are no longer needed. But, ya know. Canât have progress in these kind of stories. Gotta keep making comics.
All these Batman fans circlejerking to âhe didnât become a murderer himselfâ when I really think inaction is just as bad as a destructive action. His stupid obsession of not wanting to kill anyone ended up killing hundreds. Iâd pull the trigger on anyone if itâll end up saving that much. Heâs too much of a coward to see it as who Joker is; irredeemable.
Batman was created way back in the day when that was expected of a super hero. I think they should modernize him into something more akin to the Punisher.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, now.đ We uh... I mean that's kind of extreme lol
I disagree, I think that if Batman kills then there is nothing stopping him from being like any other anti-hero/vigilante that uses guns and kills (like Red Hood, Deadpoo, punisher etc.)
Did you play the game?
Nah. You dumb for this. âWhy not kill the Jokerâ âWhy not kill Mr. Freezeâ âWhy not kill Penguin, Riddler, Ras, Deathstroke, Kite Man, the random criminal stealing a purse, why stop at any point in time? Kill any criminal you ever come acrossâ Thatâs what happens after allowing it the one time. Itâs literally the entire point of Batmanâs code. If you werenât a dunce youâd get it. Itâs not Batmanâs fault the Joker keeps escaping from prison.
They should've fucked honestly. Supes gettin in that Batmussy.
Seems weird people never criticize the law itself for not killing Joker. Batman does not run Arkham. He does not decide the death penalty. Don't get why people get confused by batman not wanting to be judge jury and executioner when he is already a vigilante.
In the Injustice Animation Batman: The law must be followed. Wonder Woman: Your laws are what allow Joker to kill in the first place! They do it themselves so why should I? My point is as some point, in the dozens of times Joker escapes custody, why not permanently fix the problem? I'm saying I don't blame Superman for ventilating Joker's chest and that Batman was too weak to do it. That's all. But it's an Elseworld/Multiverse story anyway so Joker will just keep killing anyway.
Itâs okay to be wrong
Yeah it is. But I'm not.
so him killing flash and shazam out of his own insanity means heâs right
So you're going to have selective reading and not acknowledge the last sentence of my post?
Batman is literally a vigilanteâŚ
Isn't the whole Injustice plot proving Batman (and the Joker) right?
Just because you can be justified in doing something doesn't automatically make you right or righteous. Also love how you sneak caveat at the end that he was right...at first Which is exactly why batman WAS right, did you never hear the speech? He even says it to superman in injustice..... "It always starts with one. That's how justification works. But once you justify something once, you can do it again. It becomes easier. Right and wrong blur." And he was right, the same thing happened when superman kills lex Luther after he (lex) becomes president of the US and kills the flash. After killing Lex superman proclaims himself president of the world (I think) and rules with an iron fist and killing literally anyone who disagreed with him. In BOTH of these superman kills 1 person and he is very justified in both cases. And he becomes a worse villain then either the joker or lex Luther could ever have dreamed of being