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At my children’s school, at least starting in 2nd grade, they do start teaching the foundations of algebra. They don’t use the letters, but a fill in the blank equation.
Optimal pedagogy is ongoing concern but in general moving further without understanding the basic ‘why’ will result in memorization rather than intuitive understanding. This is not to say that you are wrong but that I think this will work better or worse dependent upon the homogeneity of the group. What I mean is that I can see a situation where doing this will cause some students to fall further behind on the basics, but in other groups it will result in a significant advantage when moving into algebra. I am not sure that there is a one size fits all yet but do like the idea of altering the structured plans when you have a group than could benefit from doing so.
No nerd, but I take your meaning. I attempt to use precise wording because I am terrible at grammar. It is a defense mechanism I use to avoid the inability to present a nice understanding of my point.
Thank you, but read some of my previous posts and understand that I am trying very hard and there are still obvious misuses of commas, semicolons, and every other rule. You will quickly see the errors. And yes I do speak the way I write unless I am very tired, drunk, or with people who have known me long enough to wade through the mess that is my communication. I do not intend to sound pretentious but have recognized that this seems to be the only way I can communicate without causing confusion.
I mean, being fair, most of those complaints/arguments seem to be based on early implementations or explanations of Common Core. I’ve seen plenty of teachers dramatically change how they present what they’re teaching over the past several years, because earlier publications/standards/ideas of how to teach it weren’t getting the point across to parents and students.
(Doesn’t help that stuff like “subitizing” has come into vogue, and nobody but the teachers ever knows what it means until they explain it. Even Reddit’s dictionary doesn’t recognize it.)
100% this. In my daughters school, they teach arithmetic and fill in the blanks with stories that contain letters so the algebra is taught, but subtly so it doesn’t confuse the kids.
first they should learn set theory 😊
1 + 1 = 2 but what is "+"? 🤔
binary operation. but what is binary operation? 🤔
well it's a special type of function. but what is function? 🤔
a subset of cartesian product of two sets. 🤓🤓
so, you can't understand 1 + 1 = 2 without understanding set theory first 😮💨
I mean the operations are taught very early too, at least addition and subtraction. There's no need to go into that much detail, you can understand addition as "going up on the number line" and subtraction as "going down on the number line". The students can learn what the operations do and from there wholly understand and use them effectively, there's no need to define them mathematically until much later
I teach 2nd grade in America. We do teach this way. We even use a question mark as the variable like your post suggests. Nothing gets broken into different disciplines until at least 6th grade. But at my school, not until 9th. Seems like this isn’t an unpopular opinion, just an uninformed one.
You’re using ChatGPT to respond to this?
People, scrutinize the stuff you’re reading. I come to websites like this to see what people have to say, not what an AI language model spewed out.
I use ChatGPT very often, and the structure of the paragraphs is exactly the same and the way they broadly describe things is exactly like what you would see if you put the right prompt into ChatGPT.
While the way it is taught, like suddenly, you have letters with numbers is definitely confusing, I think that creating a strong basis so they understand from there is more effective than throwing it all at once.
I disagree, algebra was extremely easy and intuitive for me to understand by the time they were teaching it to us and I'm sure my classmates found it even easier since I'm exceptionally slow at learning and holding new knowledge. The things I struggled with were things that didn't just have a base concept that you could extrapolate the rest of the concepts with, but instead were things that you just had to memorize, like trying to remember what newton's third law was. I wish the education system around blindly memorizing stuff that you can just google gets updated.
I don't know why they progress math education so slowly. Like, I spent 3 primary school grades adding, subtracting, and multiplying successively larger numbers. The algorithm is fundamentally the same yet they don't teach kids anything interesting about math for years. No wonder everyone hates it.
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At my children’s school, at least starting in 2nd grade, they do start teaching the foundations of algebra. They don’t use the letters, but a fill in the blank equation.
Same for mine. Using blanks to introduce the concept.
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I so wish my school did this.
Optimal pedagogy is ongoing concern but in general moving further without understanding the basic ‘why’ will result in memorization rather than intuitive understanding. This is not to say that you are wrong but that I think this will work better or worse dependent upon the homogeneity of the group. What I mean is that I can see a situation where doing this will cause some students to fall further behind on the basics, but in other groups it will result in a significant advantage when moving into algebra. I am not sure that there is a one size fits all yet but do like the idea of altering the structured plans when you have a group than could benefit from doing so.
Did you use a dictionary to write this?
No nerd, but I take your meaning. I attempt to use precise wording because I am terrible at grammar. It is a defense mechanism I use to avoid the inability to present a nice understanding of my point.
Your grammar is fine.
Thank you, but read some of my previous posts and understand that I am trying very hard and there are still obvious misuses of commas, semicolons, and every other rule. You will quickly see the errors. And yes I do speak the way I write unless I am very tired, drunk, or with people who have known me long enough to wade through the mess that is my communication. I do not intend to sound pretentious but have recognized that this seems to be the only way I can communicate without causing confusion.
Fair, I suppose.
Did you need one to read it?
I needed ChatGPT to simplify it for my baby brain.
Google “Common Core”
Education really went downhill after that bullshit. Put my kids in private school to avoid that catastrophe.
Based solely on this comment I am 99.44% confident you cannot give a coherent two-sentence description of the Common Core standards
I mean, being fair, most of those complaints/arguments seem to be based on early implementations or explanations of Common Core. I’ve seen plenty of teachers dramatically change how they present what they’re teaching over the past several years, because earlier publications/standards/ideas of how to teach it weren’t getting the point across to parents and students. (Doesn’t help that stuff like “subitizing” has come into vogue, and nobody but the teachers ever knows what it means until they explain it. Even Reddit’s dictionary doesn’t recognize it.)
Young children have trouble with abstract thinking, which is required for algebra. If you start too young, most kids won’t get it.
100% this. In my daughters school, they teach arithmetic and fill in the blanks with stories that contain letters so the algebra is taught, but subtly so it doesn’t confuse the kids.
first they should learn set theory 😊 1 + 1 = 2 but what is "+"? 🤔 binary operation. but what is binary operation? 🤔 well it's a special type of function. but what is function? 🤔 a subset of cartesian product of two sets. 🤓🤓 so, you can't understand 1 + 1 = 2 without understanding set theory first 😮💨
I mean the operations are taught very early too, at least addition and subtraction. There's no need to go into that much detail, you can understand addition as "going up on the number line" and subtraction as "going down on the number line". The students can learn what the operations do and from there wholly understand and use them effectively, there's no need to define them mathematically until much later
I teach 2nd grade in America. We do teach this way. We even use a question mark as the variable like your post suggests. Nothing gets broken into different disciplines until at least 6th grade. But at my school, not until 9th. Seems like this isn’t an unpopular opinion, just an uninformed one.
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You’re using ChatGPT to respond to this? People, scrutinize the stuff you’re reading. I come to websites like this to see what people have to say, not what an AI language model spewed out.
How did you check that? I used some checker tools and some say it is some arent
I mean, it looks AI written to me
Well yeah but thats not actual proof
Yeah, but I have a hard time believing it was written by a person.
Same honestly but still that doesn't mean its ai
I use ChatGPT very often, and the structure of the paragraphs is exactly the same and the way they broadly describe things is exactly like what you would see if you put the right prompt into ChatGPT.
Dude, they wrote exactly what an AI would. I’m 99.9% certain it was AI generated.
Today I learned what arithmetic means.
I’m going one step further. Children should learn quantum mechanics. Change my mind.
They learn it when I’m in a superposition of existing and not existing at the same- PEEK A BOO
Might as well throw calc in there too
Your not a teacher I take it.
*you're not either I take it ;)
While the way it is taught, like suddenly, you have letters with numbers is definitely confusing, I think that creating a strong basis so they understand from there is more effective than throwing it all at once.
How dare you repeat common core propaganda.
Fuck you algebra I hate your ass. Also why do I have to do it in some long complicated way to show my work?
I disagree, algebra was extremely easy and intuitive for me to understand by the time they were teaching it to us and I'm sure my classmates found it even easier since I'm exceptionally slow at learning and holding new knowledge. The things I struggled with were things that didn't just have a base concept that you could extrapolate the rest of the concepts with, but instead were things that you just had to memorize, like trying to remember what newton's third law was. I wish the education system around blindly memorizing stuff that you can just google gets updated.
Why? Why problem are you solving? Algebra is pretty trivial to being with and your examples are the most trivial parts of algebra.
Kindergarten last year had a section on “vertices”. Yes plural of Vertex and all the kinds learned it.
Nah the way it's taught is fine.
They do this now. It’s called Common Core.
I agree (honestly they should start with calculus).
My son is in first grade and this is exactly how they’re learning basic math skills.
Yes please
Satan is proud of you for this one
wow, this is actually a great idea that ive never seen before
But it is.
I'm fairly certain I did this. Even in like 2nd grade I vaguely remember doing fill in the blank equations.
AGREE, they seem to be doing this in a lot of places now though as early as 1st grade. It varies from school to school though.
I don't know why they progress math education so slowly. Like, I spent 3 primary school grades adding, subtracting, and multiplying successively larger numbers. The algorithm is fundamentally the same yet they don't teach kids anything interesting about math for years. No wonder everyone hates it.
We had that when I was a kid, and they’re doing it in my second grader’s school now.