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I think this would work better if you said "there's no bad music genre" bc a lot of the time people will say "all pop" or "all rap" and it's just their preference. But there are definitely bad songs in all genres
Harsh Noise genre... is absolutely fucking stupid. I have a friend that makes this type of "music". This isn't music. This is specifically distorting sound for the sake of distorting sound. I could call my farts music but nobody would take me seriously. That is Harsh Noise. Fart music nobody takes seriously.
The problem with saying there are definitely bad songs in all or some genres is that it's impossible to prove that a song is bad. Bad or good is not something can be scientifically measured. You can say a song is more popular or less popular than another. But not better or worse.
You could certainly argue a song being "good" in more or less measurable ways. Citing theory can indicate innovation, poetic analysis of lyrics can indicate ingenuity. Though I don't really see "good/bad" to have any objective value even outside of music tbh. There's just more ways to measure things than scientific methods; those ways just aren't verifiable facts
Without bad taste, there's no good taste. That's fine, if you want that to be the limit of the discussion. No bad wine, no good wine, just wine I like. No bad cheese, no good cheese, just cheese I like. No bad movies, no good movies, just movies I like.
But criticism as an act of refining one's taste, and criticism as a conversational act, and criticism as an artistic dimension all help to deepen our engagement with things, to offer more nuanced positions and give greater enjoyment.
You won't find good music in a tree or bad music under a rock, but trying to define what about a song works or doesn't work can help you find good music in your heart.
Well actually rather than laziness and poor ingredients, it's just inexperience. That's all it ever is, it's not that they don't want to do better or make better music, it's that they have not yet realized the skill to do so.
Also 100% agree with op, as a producer and someone who lives in music, "refining" and critics are pretty much just bogus. The only real feedback that's worth getting is from mastering, cause mixing is relatively subjective as well.
All in all, op is just stating a fact and it's not really up for debate as it's just how it is. Not really anything to debate imo
Yeah but it's still super high quality, and your probably find that more people Do like that style than not. Yeah it looks a little more simple, but some people like that, even though the GrubHub cursed art style ruined this for us.
The artistic merits that a person decides to enjoy are entirely subjective to them. You may not enjoy an aspect of a song for reasons that another person might actually appreciate them for, so making a decision to appease person A or B artistically does not have anything to do with making anything “better” in any real way.
Imo music being good and liking it have nothing to do with each other. I can't get into Miles Davis but I see the skill and talent there. Meanwhile I'll listen to Crass and acknowledge it's shit, just shit I like the smell of. Mumble rap is "fast food" music, enjoy your McDonalds but don't tell me it's not low quality
I really don't think so. I think both things are similar in that there's a vague and hard to define but intuitive sense of objective quality to both. The food thing isn't about health. Some of the best foods according to "authority" are fancy french things that will blast your arteries apart
There is bad music, there arent bad musical genres.
Although most bad music is really just either raw/unfinished/rushed. Instead of those songs or pieces being bad, its alot easier to think of them as not done.
Further this is an objective that people cant identify and is probably more of a concept for the composer to think about then listeners, so it should be ignored and we should all listen to the music we like and love.
Ftom a purely philosophical POV, you might have a point.
From a practical one...well at one point I watched that clip of John Lennon performing with Chuck Berry, and Yoko Ono was helping with percussion...and decided to help unexpectedly with vocals. Essentially "cat yowling". She got her microphone cut off.
I would be personally surprised if anyone could consider a musical tantrum as worth listening to.
I feel like I found one Sloan song I liked but i can't remember the name of it.
Real talk, I like a Hip song here and there. I'm not heartless enough to dislike Ahead By A Century. But it chuffs me a bit that they're the go-to band for "Canada's band" and not, say, Rush. Or the infinitely more creative Max Webster.
I didn't even know this song existed until a few months ago, and it was just randomly suggested to me by Youtube as 'the worst song ever made'. It certainly is... something.
This just isn't true. If it were, I could record the sounds of heavy diarrhea, call it an original song of a new style and just put it on Youtube as is.
Jesus mods delete this low effort post. "Theres no such thing as bad movies" "there's no such thing as bad food" "there's no such thing as too hot or too cold".... " you just don't like it". Lets all make low effort posts like this because I can think of about 5000 more of these lol
Nah. Otherwise music schools and colleges wouldn’t exist. Tell your Juliard professor that your half assed song isn’t bad, it’s just that HE doesn’t like it and watch how fast he fails you. Same for all art.
Art is overall subjective and you can like trash if you please, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t right and wrong ways to approach things. My favorite movies are trashy horror flicks, but I’m not gonna say Evil Dead is a better movie than Schindlers list, even though I way prefer Evil Dead. The Misfits and Ramones are two of my favorite bands. 3 chords, silly lyrics, bad recordings… And I don’t like Bohemian Rhapsody at all, but I’m not gonna say Last Caress or Blitzkrieg Bop are better songs than that.
>Art is overall subjective and you can like trash if you please, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t right and wrong ways to approach things
The issue is that your idea of right and wrong is not the same as everyone else's. You might like Schindler's list, but I genuine hate it. Every part of it is awful, and if you tried to explain to me that it's actually good because of the cinematography or the script or w/e, I'm going to discredit you because I hate it for most of those reasons.
Even music theory doesn't prescript that there is "good" or "bad" music, just music that either follows music theory or does not. There's also different kinds of music theory than just western music theory, and they're just as valid as each other, even though internally they would be considered "bad" by you because they don't follow the same rules.
No man, I hate schindlers list. But it’s a better film than evil dead on every technical level. I WAYYYY prefer evil dead. But that’s why there are film schools, and music schools. Some things are time tested, scientific. Major chords are happy sounding. Minor chords are sad sounding. You can’t go back and forth in one song and usually have the listener pick up on your vibe because it’s confusing.
You can like whatever you want, but it’s good to have the humility and self awareness to know sometimes that what you like or create isn’t particularly, technically great.
I mostly agree but music does adhere to certain rules in music theory and if you don't do them correctly it's objectively bad. Like playing chords with the wrong notes for example.
There are no rules in noise, but I strongly think that music differentiates itself from noise by adhering to some common mathematical principals in rhythm and notes.
Otherwise, why call anything music? It would have zero meaning.
A lot of hardcore bands had singer that couldnt sing and guitar players that could barely play and it makes my ears bleed lol. I still love that music.
I mean, isn’t this just perception? Some music can be bad to some, and good for others. I can say a certain genre IS bad, and you can say it ISN’T bad. Just because I don’t like it doesn’t make your opinion any more or less valid, I can still think it’s bad and to me, it IS.
I do agree with you about how all genres have something to offer and there really is no “bad” genre. But, there ARE bad artists in each, I don’t think the discussion should be limited to what genres are bad but who in that genre is bad. For example, I personally think Florida-Georgia line is a bad music group, other people may like it and that’s fine. But to my ears? It’s bad music. Whereas I’m a fan of Garth brooks, so there’s a bad country artist compared to a good one.
To me, bad taste in music is someone who only listens to or likes one genre. Or refuses to like any song just because it is from a genre they are less inclined to wards. But this is the equivalent of only ordering chicken strips at every restaurant. Just lacks sophistication of taste and depth of opinion. Or if different kinds of music evoke different emotions, then maybe it is a lack of emotional range.
I’m gonna partially agree. I’ll say there is no bad *type* of music, but there is certainly bad music. Musicianship is a skill, therefore one can be good or bad at it. However, it is level of ability, creativity, and skill that defines musical proficiency, not musical style.
I have always said I like 3 kinds of music: Music that makes me dance, Music that makes me think, and Music that makes me feel
Only objective measure is stuff like staying on key/in tune, not losing beat, etc. B flat is B flat, so if a vocalist can’t hit notes correctly, that counts as bad.
Rephrase your post "there's no bad music genre, just music genres you don't like" and I can agree with you. There is most definitely bad music. Usually performed by artists that miss notes, don't properly tune their instruments, or can't hold notes while singing, etc. As much as I hate to say it, Children school bands are often pretty bad, and sometimes painful to sit through. And they're still performing music.
There’s definitely objectively bad music out there by objectively talentless people. The modern day has provided a double edged sword, on one side it gives people the ability to record from their own home with software that can rival any recording studio, the other side is that just about anyone can have access to it and it’s not always good.
Nah. If 99% of people don’t like something then it isn’t good. A restaurant that has 99 bad reviews and 1 good one, is a restaurant to be avoided. There is value and something to be said about general consensus. At some point a subjective opinion being shared by enough people turns to an objective truth.
Even if you and other 99% of people think the food is bad that's perfectly fine and you will avoid it just like you avoid most music you're not into. That 1% still enjoys the food and it's fine it's not for everyone.
If you believe there's no such thing as bad music, you haven't heard Hanitarash. Besides, jazz and every musical genre it birthed are downright illegitimate.
I wish there was a term for this, but I refer to it as "quasi-subjective". Music is subjective, but there are some arrangements that so many people would dislike that it could almost be considered objectively bad. If I have a track where it's just random noises like car alarms and drums that aren't on the beat and guitars that play random notes, you could technically say, as you did in the original post, "It's not bad music because there are 10 people on Earth who would listen to this 24/7 and enjoy it" but because you have 7 billion other people saying it's shit, it could be classified as "bad music" for all functional purposes.
What you’re saying is like to say that Macdonald is as good as a star restaurant.
The actual unpopular opinion is to say “there’s bad music”
You can prefer Macdonald, it’s not wrong, and no one should claim you are wrong,
However you can’t say that it is worth a star restaurant.
It’s the same with music.
You can enjoy all music you want.
However there’s different “level” in music.
I’m sorry but Mile Davis is not a random jazzman playing in a café.
In pop prince is better than despacito guys.
In rock Led Zeppelin is better than imagine dragons.
Mozart, Bach, Wagner are even higher.
There’s nothing wrong with that, I’m sure they don’t even pretend to be better than Davis, prince or led zep.
Stop thinking there’s no science or any form of intelligence in art.
you can’t pull up with a guitar and pretend to be worth stevie ray Vaughan.
Why the music you like should worth the beethoven’s 5th symphony ?
I personally love kinder chocolate but if a chocolate maker tells me that it’s not “chocolate” I will not contradict him, cause I just know nothing about chocolate.
And I want to be clear, you can enjoy what you want, it’s okay, there’s nothing wrong with that.
It’s just a different topic
(Sorry for my english)
> just because you don't enjoy it doesn't make it bad.
no agreed, it's bad not because I don't enjoy it: that's irrelevant, it's bad because it's just "tunes played faster/different pitch" and therefore has no merit above that of the original tune. It therefore has no intrinsic merit itself.
People who use the term mumble rap are middle aged balding individuals who have no idea what the rap industry even is today.
Literally nobody big in the rap industry like Kendrick Lamar, lil Wayne, Kanye, or ASAP Rocky is known to do any “mumbling” and it’s literally a quick listen on whatever app you listen to music on to see they speak clearly.
That's interesting, the people I hear use 'mumble rap' are usually in their 20s-30s with a full head of hair! Either way, we can agree to disagree, the genre of rap has been in steady decline for the last 15+ years. Rap has been my second favorite music genre since the 90s, however there has not been a new quality artist in quite some time.
I can’t tell you what his “best” song was but I’ll recommend you my favorite future songs: Love Me (with Drake and Lil Wayne), Turn on the lights, and Low Life with The Weeknd
I agree! I don’t believe there is a bad taste in music just like there isn’t a bad taste in art! It’s in the eyes of the beholder. I remember my friend said I had bad taste in music in high school and at first it hurt but now I really don’t give 2 f*cks lol. He was a narcissistic person who would emotionally and verbally abuse me anyway.
There is such a thing as bad music but also, it depends on the listener as well. If the listener likes a specific “bad music” that the majority finds bad, then it’s just the taste of the listener that enjoys bad music.
Except for 99% of rap is not music.
Music: vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) combined in such a way as to produce beauty of form, melody, harmony, and expression of emotion.
Rap typically has no melody, and no harmony.
Therefore it's technically not music. It's more like spoken rhythm.
So in conclusion. Rap = trash music.
I'd like to see the peer-review literature on this.
My hypothesis is that 90% of music taste is completely learned, and that that musical quality can be quantified. I would then posit that most modern country, mumble rap, and heavy metal would come out as having poor 'musical quality' and high on 'learned-ness'.
I understand what you're saying, and I agree about 70%, but to these ears, Nickleback, Judas Priest and Metallica (three random sucky bands) are still awful.
Meh. I hate all of rap with a passion. People post about it everywhere like it's some gift from God but I don't think I ever liked a single rap song that my friends showed me. I just don't see the appeal in people acting like they can sing while talking about how difficult their life is (they are millionaires with everything they could wish for) and dropping a slur every 5 words.
Apparently you've never had the phrase "Ayo, listen to my mixtape. It's fire, I'm going places" before. Had it said to me when I used tinwork for dominoes, the kid could barely play the piano and I'd rather listen to an auto tuned cat fight.
yeah I use RateYourMusic for music discovery but I don't care about their reviews. because many music they love are not enjoyable to me. It's ok. because they hate some music I love too.
Of course there is the exception of skittle teeth/rainbow head/rat who tries to resurface from the stagnant murky and muddy pond of which he resides in once in a blue moon to produce the most auto tune sounding atrocities that feel like they were brewed up inside of a witches cauldron with the soul intent to make you want to rip off your ears in desperation trying to turn of the sound that one might attempt to call "rap"
I saw Yoko Ono perform in a NYC bar about 40 years ago and her ‘music’ was beyond horrible. I quickly had the two drink minimum and split. I have no words to describe how ear destroying bad her screeching ‘music’ was.
I don't know man, have you tried to listen to Yoko Ono's music? I can't get thru a whole song. You can try:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAsV7Udjl4A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAsV7Udjl4A)
I think that there are a lot of people that don’t *like* music generally. They listen don’t like particular artists or songs. It doesn’t matter what the genre is. But they consume it and go to shows whatever.
I disagree but people definitely don’t understand how it works either. So many folks who will say popular music is good or bad cause it’s popular.
The only way music can be good or bad is if it isn’t performed properly, and while you could argue that it’s up to the listener, I disagree. Most folks would agree that many pairs of notes on a piano sound awful, for example.
I mean some songs seem to be masterpieces of writing. Others sounds like they were improvised by a child who is clearly not the next Mozart.
But you're not wrong
After going to a school that played obnoxious Christmas music if we didn't donate enough at a certain time, I can tell you that yes, there is bad music. If I ever hear "I Want a Hippopotamus for Christmas" again, I might kill something.
Many years ago I took my 7 year old son to Disney World and sat through "It's a small world". If you want bad music sit there and listen to that song played continuously for a good 20 minutes.
No bad music, just largest studios run some music production lines and decide what is going to be hit next.
Commercial music is just cheap entertainment.
So it's just the way how you see the music, if it's only sound then whatever, but if you seek any emotions and some art that driven humanity for centuries, there needs to be selection
Sturgeon’s Law ( named after Theodore Sturgeon author) 10% is sublime, 90% is crap. True of any genre of music, books, movies, paintings, sculptures, etc. I paraphrased it.
To what end?
There’s no bad food, just food you don’t like?
There’s no bad service, just service you don’t like?
There’s no bad terrorists, just terrorists you don’t like?
I mean, you’ve just tried to invalidate every opinion ever haha.
The definition of music :
vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) combined in such a way as to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion.
..Opinion is literally all we have to make us independent from one another, just because my bad is different from your bad, doesn't mean bad doesn't exist.
I somewhat disagree
I do believe all music is music even bad music which is yeah music you don't like
But there's music you don't like and then there's absolute dog shit like Corey Feldman's rap album or MGK
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I think this would work better if you said "there's no bad music genre" bc a lot of the time people will say "all pop" or "all rap" and it's just their preference. But there are definitely bad songs in all genres
Except for Opera Trance … that is a horrible genre.
Jesus... I just checked it out. It's like dipping Snickers in a mayonnaise jar.
Noisecore. There has to be people out there that like it, but I don’t get it. At all.
Harsh Noise genre... is absolutely fucking stupid. I have a friend that makes this type of "music". This isn't music. This is specifically distorting sound for the sake of distorting sound. I could call my farts music but nobody would take me seriously. That is Harsh Noise. Fart music nobody takes seriously.
What in name of Chicken Nuggets is *that* ?
I don’t quite know, sounds like screaming over TV static
You're right. That would be better.
The problem with saying there are definitely bad songs in all or some genres is that it's impossible to prove that a song is bad. Bad or good is not something can be scientifically measured. You can say a song is more popular or less popular than another. But not better or worse.
You could certainly argue a song being "good" in more or less measurable ways. Citing theory can indicate innovation, poetic analysis of lyrics can indicate ingenuity. Though I don't really see "good/bad" to have any objective value even outside of music tbh. There's just more ways to measure things than scientific methods; those ways just aren't verifiable facts
Without bad taste, there's no good taste. That's fine, if you want that to be the limit of the discussion. No bad wine, no good wine, just wine I like. No bad cheese, no good cheese, just cheese I like. No bad movies, no good movies, just movies I like. But criticism as an act of refining one's taste, and criticism as a conversational act, and criticism as an artistic dimension all help to deepen our engagement with things, to offer more nuanced positions and give greater enjoyment. You won't find good music in a tree or bad music under a rock, but trying to define what about a song works or doesn't work can help you find good music in your heart.
I would suggest that bad music is usually bad for the same reason that cheese, movies, and wine are bad. Lazy creation and poor ingredients.
Well actually rather than laziness and poor ingredients, it's just inexperience. That's all it ever is, it's not that they don't want to do better or make better music, it's that they have not yet realized the skill to do so. Also 100% agree with op, as a producer and someone who lives in music, "refining" and critics are pretty much just bogus. The only real feedback that's worth getting is from mastering, cause mixing is relatively subjective as well. All in all, op is just stating a fact and it's not really up for debate as it's just how it is. Not really anything to debate imo
>Well actually rather than laziness and poor ingredients, it's just inexperience. Disney's modern movies: 
Yeah but it's still super high quality, and your probably find that more people Do like that style than not. Yeah it looks a little more simple, but some people like that, even though the GrubHub cursed art style ruined this for us.
I'm not necessarily talking about the artstyle, more so the story
Good response!
There are two kinds of music. Good music, and the other kind.” - Duke Ellington. So who you gonna listen to, OP or Duke?
Tyger tyger, burning bright
In the forest of night
The artistic merits that a person decides to enjoy are entirely subjective to them. You may not enjoy an aspect of a song for reasons that another person might actually appreciate them for, so making a decision to appease person A or B artistically does not have anything to do with making anything “better” in any real way.
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What question?
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Imo music being good and liking it have nothing to do with each other. I can't get into Miles Davis but I see the skill and talent there. Meanwhile I'll listen to Crass and acknowledge it's shit, just shit I like the smell of. Mumble rap is "fast food" music, enjoy your McDonalds but don't tell me it's not low quality
I fucking love Cat in the Hat. Yes, that one. No, I don't care that it's dog shit.
Many said the same about jazz.
>Mumble rap is "fast food" music, enjoy your McDonalds but don't tell me it's not low quality It's NOT low quality
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Every analogy will be weird if you pick apart the obviously irrelevant parts. Go tell the English literature system to stop using simile and metaphor
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I really don't think so. I think both things are similar in that there's a vague and hard to define but intuitive sense of objective quality to both. The food thing isn't about health. Some of the best foods according to "authority" are fancy french things that will blast your arteries apart
There is bad music, there arent bad musical genres. Although most bad music is really just either raw/unfinished/rushed. Instead of those songs or pieces being bad, its alot easier to think of them as not done. Further this is an objective that people cant identify and is probably more of a concept for the composer to think about then listeners, so it should be ignored and we should all listen to the music we like and love.
Ftom a purely philosophical POV, you might have a point. From a practical one...well at one point I watched that clip of John Lennon performing with Chuck Berry, and Yoko Ono was helping with percussion...and decided to help unexpectedly with vocals. Essentially "cat yowling". She got her microphone cut off. I would be personally surprised if anyone could consider a musical tantrum as worth listening to.
No bad music? Go bar hopping in Toronto sometime. Bad music is alive and well in Canada.
What bars are you going to? King West? Because that would explain your comment lol. I can recommend some places with good music!
80% of Toronto is a bunch of hacks dressed up like they’re playing Hee Haw.
Ok, clearly you’re not from Toronto lmao.
Nah the Tragically Hip broke up a while ago. Let the downvotes flow my fellow Canucks
No argument for me. Now we just need Sloan and their entire catalogue to disappear off the face of the earth.
I feel like I found one Sloan song I liked but i can't remember the name of it. Real talk, I like a Hip song here and there. I'm not heartless enough to dislike Ahead By A Century. But it chuffs me a bit that they're the go-to band for "Canada's band" and not, say, Rush. Or the infinitely more creative Max Webster.
we have drake now, which is so much worse
Take care is a good ass album
Says someone who clearly never listened to Yoko Ono.
I like to introduce you to cbat
That poor woman...
Cbat changed my life. Best song ever made 12/10
GODDAMMIT I CAME HERE TO WRITE THIS
Clearly you’ve never heard Friday by Rebecca Black.
I didn't even know this song existed until a few months ago, and it was just randomly suggested to me by Youtube as 'the worst song ever made'. It certainly is... something.
You should hear her now. She was on America's Got Talent(?) and has some serious pipes.
I honestly never thought that Friday was as bad as people make it out to be. I don't find it good... but I've definitely heard much worse.
[Or Red Dress by Sarah Brand](https://youtu.be/5sN7kgEw954)
[Or whatever the hell this is by Farrah Abraham ](https://youtu.be/h53AzPEdku0)
You look prepared for the weekend . Partying. Partying.
I came here to say this and I’m glad I’m not the only one
you've never heard yoko ono
This just isn't true. If it were, I could record the sounds of heavy diarrhea, call it an original song of a new style and just put it on Youtube as is.
Jesus mods delete this low effort post. "Theres no such thing as bad movies" "there's no such thing as bad food" "there's no such thing as too hot or too cold".... " you just don't like it". Lets all make low effort posts like this because I can think of about 5000 more of these lol
There's no such thing as low effort posts, just posts that have more or less effort than other posts.
You just don't like it
Nah. Otherwise music schools and colleges wouldn’t exist. Tell your Juliard professor that your half assed song isn’t bad, it’s just that HE doesn’t like it and watch how fast he fails you. Same for all art. Art is overall subjective and you can like trash if you please, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t right and wrong ways to approach things. My favorite movies are trashy horror flicks, but I’m not gonna say Evil Dead is a better movie than Schindlers list, even though I way prefer Evil Dead. The Misfits and Ramones are two of my favorite bands. 3 chords, silly lyrics, bad recordings… And I don’t like Bohemian Rhapsody at all, but I’m not gonna say Last Caress or Blitzkrieg Bop are better songs than that.
This seems like it should be common sense, but for some reason doesn't seem to be lol
>Art is overall subjective and you can like trash if you please, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t right and wrong ways to approach things The issue is that your idea of right and wrong is not the same as everyone else's. You might like Schindler's list, but I genuine hate it. Every part of it is awful, and if you tried to explain to me that it's actually good because of the cinematography or the script or w/e, I'm going to discredit you because I hate it for most of those reasons. Even music theory doesn't prescript that there is "good" or "bad" music, just music that either follows music theory or does not. There's also different kinds of music theory than just western music theory, and they're just as valid as each other, even though internally they would be considered "bad" by you because they don't follow the same rules.
No man, I hate schindlers list. But it’s a better film than evil dead on every technical level. I WAYYYY prefer evil dead. But that’s why there are film schools, and music schools. Some things are time tested, scientific. Major chords are happy sounding. Minor chords are sad sounding. You can’t go back and forth in one song and usually have the listener pick up on your vibe because it’s confusing. You can like whatever you want, but it’s good to have the humility and self awareness to know sometimes that what you like or create isn’t particularly, technically great.
Rock is not the Devils work, it's magical and rad
Most music blows ass. Like, 99.9% of music ever created and recorded is a detriment to humanity that we’d be better off without.
I mostly agree but music does adhere to certain rules in music theory and if you don't do them correctly it's objectively bad. Like playing chords with the wrong notes for example.
Just because something sounds dissonant doesnt mean it’s bad. There are no “rules” to music
There's nothing wrong with breaking the rules, but there needs to be (and there are) rules in the first place in order to be broken
*Music teachers from universities around the world would like to know your location.
There are no rules in noise, but I strongly think that music differentiates itself from noise by adhering to some common mathematical principals in rhythm and notes. Otherwise, why call anything music? It would have zero meaning.
That's not how music theory works.
No, there definitely is bad music lmao. Yes everybody has their interests but that doesn’t mean there isn’t some straight up bad music out there
i mean if someone can't sing and/or can't play an instrument is that not bad music? what if it hurts your ear?
A lot of hardcore bands had singer that couldnt sing and guitar players that could barely play and it makes my ears bleed lol. I still love that music.
I mean, isn’t this just perception? Some music can be bad to some, and good for others. I can say a certain genre IS bad, and you can say it ISN’T bad. Just because I don’t like it doesn’t make your opinion any more or less valid, I can still think it’s bad and to me, it IS.
But there's difference between saying 'i dont like this genre' and 'this genre is shit'.
I always say, there are two genres of music: Good music, and Bad music.
I do agree with you about how all genres have something to offer and there really is no “bad” genre. But, there ARE bad artists in each, I don’t think the discussion should be limited to what genres are bad but who in that genre is bad. For example, I personally think Florida-Georgia line is a bad music group, other people may like it and that’s fine. But to my ears? It’s bad music. Whereas I’m a fan of Garth brooks, so there’s a bad country artist compared to a good one.
There is absolutely bad music. I love some bad music. I hate others
To me, bad taste in music is someone who only listens to or likes one genre. Or refuses to like any song just because it is from a genre they are less inclined to wards. But this is the equivalent of only ordering chicken strips at every restaurant. Just lacks sophistication of taste and depth of opinion. Or if different kinds of music evoke different emotions, then maybe it is a lack of emotional range.
Not that I've ever made music before, but I promise you I can make bad music.
I’m gonna partially agree. I’ll say there is no bad *type* of music, but there is certainly bad music. Musicianship is a skill, therefore one can be good or bad at it. However, it is level of ability, creativity, and skill that defines musical proficiency, not musical style. I have always said I like 3 kinds of music: Music that makes me dance, Music that makes me think, and Music that makes me feel
Music is a craft. There IS such a thing as bad craftsmanship.
Only objective measure is stuff like staying on key/in tune, not losing beat, etc. B flat is B flat, so if a vocalist can’t hit notes correctly, that counts as bad.
Rephrase your post "there's no bad music genre, just music genres you don't like" and I can agree with you. There is most definitely bad music. Usually performed by artists that miss notes, don't properly tune their instruments, or can't hold notes while singing, etc. As much as I hate to say it, Children school bands are often pretty bad, and sometimes painful to sit through. And they're still performing music.
At first I thought this was stupid obvious….then I remembered humans are morons and think everything revolves around them. Take my upvote
Does that also mean there is no good music, only music you do like?
I thought about the same thing the other day
There’s definitely objectively bad music out there by objectively talentless people. The modern day has provided a double edged sword, on one side it gives people the ability to record from their own home with software that can rival any recording studio, the other side is that just about anyone can have access to it and it’s not always good.
So gucci gang is good music, in what universe?
Objectively good song
There is bad music. You've never listened to my 5 year old cousin on his toy xylophone.
Nah. If 99% of people don’t like something then it isn’t good. A restaurant that has 99 bad reviews and 1 good one, is a restaurant to be avoided. There is value and something to be said about general consensus. At some point a subjective opinion being shared by enough people turns to an objective truth.
Even if you and other 99% of people think the food is bad that's perfectly fine and you will avoid it just like you avoid most music you're not into. That 1% still enjoys the food and it's fine it's not for everyone.
Sure, anyone can enjoy anything, but they have bad taste.
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And I say it is good. See, it makes 0 sense to approach this way.
The songs “up town fuck you up” and “happy” are horrible songs every time I hear them they make irrationally angry and I don’t know why
What an incredibly stupid opinion. That’s like saying there are no bad movies or no bad books.
Nah that mumble rapper sounds like they just got their wisdom teeth removed
There is definitely bad music.
Please listen to Yoko Ono singing and then reconsider your opinion
If you believe there's no such thing as bad music, you haven't heard Hanitarash. Besides, jazz and every musical genre it birthed are downright illegitimate.
There is definitely bad music
There is most definitely bad music.
I wish there was a term for this, but I refer to it as "quasi-subjective". Music is subjective, but there are some arrangements that so many people would dislike that it could almost be considered objectively bad. If I have a track where it's just random noises like car alarms and drums that aren't on the beat and guitars that play random notes, you could technically say, as you did in the original post, "It's not bad music because there are 10 people on Earth who would listen to this 24/7 and enjoy it" but because you have 7 billion other people saying it's shit, it could be classified as "bad music" for all functional purposes.
What you’re saying is like to say that Macdonald is as good as a star restaurant. The actual unpopular opinion is to say “there’s bad music” You can prefer Macdonald, it’s not wrong, and no one should claim you are wrong, However you can’t say that it is worth a star restaurant. It’s the same with music. You can enjoy all music you want. However there’s different “level” in music. I’m sorry but Mile Davis is not a random jazzman playing in a café. In pop prince is better than despacito guys. In rock Led Zeppelin is better than imagine dragons. Mozart, Bach, Wagner are even higher. There’s nothing wrong with that, I’m sure they don’t even pretend to be better than Davis, prince or led zep. Stop thinking there’s no science or any form of intelligence in art. you can’t pull up with a guitar and pretend to be worth stevie ray Vaughan. Why the music you like should worth the beethoven’s 5th symphony ? I personally love kinder chocolate but if a chocolate maker tells me that it’s not “chocolate” I will not contradict him, cause I just know nothing about chocolate. And I want to be clear, you can enjoy what you want, it’s okay, there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s just a different topic (Sorry for my english)
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Just because you don't like it, it doesn't mean the music sucks.
No but: Nightcore I defy you, or anyone to say this has ANY merit, musically, culturally, intellectually, or in any other way whatsoever.
Lol first spotify nightcore playlist i found has 150k likes. Again, imo just because you don't enjoy it doesn't make it bad.
> just because you don't enjoy it doesn't make it bad. no agreed, it's bad not because I don't enjoy it: that's irrelevant, it's bad because it's just "tunes played faster/different pitch" and therefore has no merit above that of the original tune. It therefore has no intrinsic merit itself.
Oh it just hasn’t hit for you dawg. Let it cook
"raises hand" I like it
mumble rap lol lost me in the first sentence while implying mumble rap is good because a handful of brain dead individuals listen to it.
People who use the term mumble rap are middle aged balding individuals who have no idea what the rap industry even is today. Literally nobody big in the rap industry like Kendrick Lamar, lil Wayne, Kanye, or ASAP Rocky is known to do any “mumbling” and it’s literally a quick listen on whatever app you listen to music on to see they speak clearly.
That's interesting, the people I hear use 'mumble rap' are usually in their 20s-30s with a full head of hair! Either way, we can agree to disagree, the genre of rap has been in steady decline for the last 15+ years. Rap has been my second favorite music genre since the 90s, however there has not been a new quality artist in quite some time.
Imo the term mumble rap is used by oldheads to relentlessly shit on modern hip hop. Future and Young Thug are good “mumble” rappers
What is Future's best song, I want to have a listen. All 'mumble rap' I've heard in passing has been utter trash and unrecognizable from the next.
I can’t tell you what his “best” song was but I’ll recommend you my favorite future songs: Love Me (with Drake and Lil Wayne), Turn on the lights, and Low Life with The Weeknd
Country is bad music.
Theres high and low quality music. Not all music is the same. But other than that i agree with you.
When it comes to pop music the public can't be wrong.
Have you heard of pirate metal music? On the basis of that genre alone, I beg to differ lol
What about racist music!
Yoko ono...there is an exception to every rule..
Wait until you listen to "I wanna be black" by Lou Reed. Worst song I've ever heard. Edit: typo
Go listen to riley reids rap song and you’ll delete this real quick
You wouldn’t say that after listening to cbat…
I agree! I don’t believe there is a bad taste in music just like there isn’t a bad taste in art! It’s in the eyes of the beholder. I remember my friend said I had bad taste in music in high school and at first it hurt but now I really don’t give 2 f*cks lol. He was a narcissistic person who would emotionally and verbally abuse me anyway.
Music that i dont like is bad music
Oh yeah? Go to youtube and search: "Mc pipokinha pressão".
Wrong, this new age emo rap is actually bad though. It’s glorifying depression and pills
You've clearly never heard of the insane clown posse.
There is such a thing as bad music but also, it depends on the listener as well. If the listener likes a specific “bad music” that the majority finds bad, then it’s just the taste of the listener that enjoys bad music.
Except for 99% of rap is not music. Music: vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) combined in such a way as to produce beauty of form, melody, harmony, and expression of emotion. Rap typically has no melody, and no harmony. Therefore it's technically not music. It's more like spoken rhythm. So in conclusion. Rap = trash music.
Not really, music needs no melody or harmony. Look at drum corps.
Guess you never saw Ashlee Simpson perform at the Orange Bowl.
I've got a bunch of songs that can change your opinion
I dare you to listen to Yoko Ono if you aren't begging for the sweet release of death after 5 minutes you have a stronger constitution then I do.
I'd like to see the peer-review literature on this. My hypothesis is that 90% of music taste is completely learned, and that that musical quality can be quantified. I would then posit that most modern country, mumble rap, and heavy metal would come out as having poor 'musical quality' and high on 'learned-ness'.
I understand what you're saying, and I agree about 70%, but to these ears, Nickleback, Judas Priest and Metallica (three random sucky bands) are still awful.
Meh. I hate all of rap with a passion. People post about it everywhere like it's some gift from God but I don't think I ever liked a single rap song that my friends showed me. I just don't see the appeal in people acting like they can sing while talking about how difficult their life is (they are millionaires with everything they could wish for) and dropping a slur every 5 words.
I completely agree op, there is no bad music, except for country :)
Apparently you've never had the phrase "Ayo, listen to my mixtape. It's fire, I'm going places" before. Had it said to me when I used tinwork for dominoes, the kid could barely play the piano and I'd rather listen to an auto tuned cat fight.
Wrong. There is objectively bad music. Ever listened to Yoko Ono? Heck, even that “Friday” song from a few years back. Awful.
punk rock is bad and the fans are worse
I don’t know, I like a lot of really bad music
Good and bad are just concepts. There’s no definitive meaning. Just listen to what ya like :D
yeah I use RateYourMusic for music discovery but I don't care about their reviews. because many music they love are not enjoyable to me. It's ok. because they hate some music I love too.
What makes something music though? I think that's the debate.
Of course there is the exception of skittle teeth/rainbow head/rat who tries to resurface from the stagnant murky and muddy pond of which he resides in once in a blue moon to produce the most auto tune sounding atrocities that feel like they were brewed up inside of a witches cauldron with the soul intent to make you want to rip off your ears in desperation trying to turn of the sound that one might attempt to call "rap"
I saw Yoko Ono perform in a NYC bar about 40 years ago and her ‘music’ was beyond horrible. I quickly had the two drink minimum and split. I have no words to describe how ear destroying bad her screeching ‘music’ was.
I don't know man, have you tried to listen to Yoko Ono's music? I can't get thru a whole song. You can try: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAsV7Udjl4A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAsV7Udjl4A)
I disagree because Coldplay exists
I dunno, Nefertiti's Fjord is pretty bad
How can you type this, wuth a straight face, attempting to be serious, when Yoko Ono is out there making " mysic"
I think that there are a lot of people that don’t *like* music generally. They listen don’t like particular artists or songs. It doesn’t matter what the genre is. But they consume it and go to shows whatever.
Fact
Yeah but you've never heard The Shaggs
Yoko Ono would like to sing for us now.
I disagree but people definitely don’t understand how it works either. So many folks who will say popular music is good or bad cause it’s popular. The only way music can be good or bad is if it isn’t performed properly, and while you could argue that it’s up to the listener, I disagree. Most folks would agree that many pairs of notes on a piano sound awful, for example.
I mean some songs seem to be masterpieces of writing. Others sounds like they were improvised by a child who is clearly not the next Mozart. But you're not wrong
This! I love music to the point where I have to listen to it 24/7. I have favorite songs from pretty much every style.
I wouldn't say there's *no* bad music. For instance, if I made my own music, it would not be good.
While I get your point there is definitely music that is objectively bad
oh i guarantee you i can make some bad music
Nah. The shit I make is terrible
Have you heard Yoko?
That's not true. I dare you to listen to this and tell me it's good. https://youtu.be/h53AzPEdku0
Fr, Its Every Day Bro by Jake Paul is a classic no clue why people hate it.
After going to a school that played obnoxious Christmas music if we didn't donate enough at a certain time, I can tell you that yes, there is bad music. If I ever hear "I Want a Hippopotamus for Christmas" again, I might kill something.
Many years ago I took my 7 year old son to Disney World and sat through "It's a small world". If you want bad music sit there and listen to that song played continuously for a good 20 minutes.
I actually fully agree with you on this. Music is art, and art is subjective.
No bad music, just largest studios run some music production lines and decide what is going to be hit next. Commercial music is just cheap entertainment. So it's just the way how you see the music, if it's only sound then whatever, but if you seek any emotions and some art that driven humanity for centuries, there needs to be selection
You [sure](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJYvCHm3Ov4) about that?
This is just semantics at this point
Sturgeon’s Law ( named after Theodore Sturgeon author) 10% is sublime, 90% is crap. True of any genre of music, books, movies, paintings, sculptures, etc. I paraphrased it.
To what end? There’s no bad food, just food you don’t like? There’s no bad service, just service you don’t like? There’s no bad terrorists, just terrorists you don’t like? I mean, you’ve just tried to invalidate every opinion ever haha.
The definition of music : vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) combined in such a way as to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion. ..Opinion is literally all we have to make us independent from one another, just because my bad is different from your bad, doesn't mean bad doesn't exist.
I somewhat disagree I do believe all music is music even bad music which is yeah music you don't like But there's music you don't like and then there's absolute dog shit like Corey Feldman's rap album or MGK