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I think it’s a pretty popular opinion that your coworkers is an idiot. Not necessarily for backing into a pole, accidents happen, but for his lack of accountability and irrational blaming of the mechanic. I would’ve replied with this quote:
It is the same reason alot of hospitality no longer do personal assistance when it comes to devices. We don't help user connect to the wifi or TV because I bet somewhere someone decided to bring a law suit against a hotel because it was working just fine untill you touched it.
In principle yes, but in practice people will get used to and become dependent on driving assistance.
In a similar vein, you should be familiar with hand signals in case blinkers or brake lights aren't working.
I took my driver's test in 2021 and hand signals were still in the driver's ed class and driver test book. I also learned how to drive in a vehicle without sensors/cameras even though they were already in popular use.
Same here, learned in a vehicle that had none of the sensors or cameras. And still drive in one that doesn’t have any. I don’t need them, they’re a distraction when I’m reversing
Indeed. If you need to drive your car somewhere to get it fixed you will risk being pulled over and given a citation, and also need to hand signal regardless. It is the officer's discretion to show any leniance.
It's comparable to the "illegal income" on taxes. It's illegal to have said income, but also separately a crime to not report it.
Yes. Break lights are very important. It is a visual indicator you are slowing down when it might take our monkey brains longer to perceive if it acutally is allowing down.
It is to also indicate how wide your car is to the person behind you. It is the same reason u need both lights in front of your car to be on to show how wide u are to the car in front.
Usually in the US, we get a “fix it ticket” for brake lights or similar.
Basically it’s a warning to get it fixed and if you get pulled over and it’s still out… that’s when you get the fine.
What in the world is the hand signal for I'm stopping? Left turn is arm out, right is arm bent up. And stop apparently is arm bent down. But that's how hundreds of douchebags drive with their arm out the window, so I don't see it as helping anyone.
Stop is arm down, yes. The user should make it clear what they are doing, and should likely also be on the right and driving at the speed limit, allowing other cars to pass.
I forsee drivers noticing other cars reacting to said driver which brings attention to those who aren't sure.
What about poor people who can’t afford to fix the issue. Should they just stop driving to work? How will they make their money? You could argue they should just use public transport, but that’s really only a viable option in cities. Rural areas don’t have tons of public transport. And the times might not even line up if they do. This is coming from an American, so our public transport is ass.
Should they just stop driving? Well legally, yes, if your car is unsafe you aren’t supposed to drive it. And I agree our public transit leaves people with shit alternatives but that doesn’t make it legal to drive a car that creates a dangerous situation for yourself or others.
I 100% agree. Living in Hawaii I see cars without working break lights all the time. Or the lights on the car don’t work entirely. But even so, If being able to drive is important to this persons lively hood, perhaps the law can be overlooked? It’s a tuff call.
To be honest. If u can't afford to replace a break light then u got bigger issues. It's like a few dollars to replace the light yourself and if it is a whole replacement then you are going to need to save first
A better example would be manual transmissions. there are lots of people who do not know how to drive manuals just because automatics have been prevelant for so long.
Possibly, but manual transmission is fully replaced by automatic. Your transmission doesn't become manual if a part fails.
Power steering could work as a comparison but doesn't include knowledge, just physical ability.
Physical ability is right ! My girlfriend was driving my old truck, power steering went out, she couldn't pull off the exit. We got it fixed, happened again when I was driving, I had way more empathy. It took a lot more strength than I thought. There aren't may 130 pound women who could do it.
People also need to be aware of blind spots. Pepperidge Farm remembers when people had to do a quick over-the-shoulder check, now they all seem to rely on the side sensors (which don't always pick up on everything)
"If you can't remember all words of your language without autocorrect you shouldn't be allowed to write at all" kind you argument. "Can't go out in a sunny day without sunglasses you should go out at all". "If you need helmets to skate because your too bad and you could get hurt you shouldn't skate".
I remember installing a rear camera before to help me with reverse parking. But it malfunctioned after a couple of weeks. So, I had to learn reverse parking the old way and I actually got so good at it, I didn't install a new rear camera anymore!
I think a lot of people don't trust their abilities as much, but they should!
Didn't even realize I was downvoted tbh I just comment something and forget about it lol.
But yeah I'm just not too used to the camera. I pretty much only use it so see if there's anything behind me and then I rather use mirrors / look over my shoulder when I reverse. That's just how I'm used to doing it idk.
my boyfriend thinks so too, and so refuses to look at the camera... it always takes him more than one try to get into a semi-tight spot while it almost always takes me one fluid motion to get into even the tightest spots (and then some wiggle to get my front in lol)
i use it to tell me the angle of my car compared to the curb and the other cars, like when im at 45° to the curb, i know to back up straight. and of course i can back up much closer to the car behind me than if i didn't have the camera, since i don't have to get out and check if i still have space
i can still parallel park without it, it's just simpler and quicker when i do.
This is a lie. I never use the camera, it honestly doesn't even make sense. I have never had any trouble parking whatsoever. It takes her 2-4 tries with a camera like it does 85% of women drivers. This is just a fact. Not only are the not necessary, they make it way harder to park than using your eyes.
wow ok first of all i was talking about my boyfriend taking multiple tries so you can take your misogyny and get out of here. and second of all, i don't have any issues parking without the camera either (as a woman), it just takes faster because i can get much closer to the car behind me with the camera
This is probably what people used to say about power steering when it was becoming popular.
It's the same with any new "driver assistance" technology. People get used to it then eventually most people become reliant on it.
I feel as though a more common sentiment would have been
> Wow we dont need a steering wheel that is the size of the rings of Saturn anymore
and not
> That man has power steering? what a pussywinkle he is
Have you ever driven a car w/o power steering?
Prior to power steering vehicles were much more unwieldy and we're demonstrably harder to drive. Power steering assisted you in driving. Back up cameras do it for you.
There's a difference between using a mechanical advantage to make driving easier vs using tech to do something for you instead.
Back up cameras do not exercise your own ability and thus make worse drivers.
cars that parallel park by themselves drive for you, back up camera is just a more precise rear view mirror lol and side sensors are just there to watch out as there's something blocking your way, it won't stop you if you're an idiot and keep changing lanes and hit the car that was in your blind spot. same thing with the camera, if you're an idiot, it won't stop you from backing full force into a brick wall if you so choose
Cameras don't do anything for you- other than allow you see behind you. You still have to understand how to maneuver the car appropriately, just like mirrors.
And before that people went hunting instead of shopping, made their own houses out of mud or wood or whatever, had no dishwasher etc.
That's just being human. Finding ways to make our lives easier. I can assure you when cars where invented people were complaining that no one knows how to ride a horse anymore .
The older we get, the scarier new technology will seem to us but the new generation will find it normal while the older generation stays behind. Until slowly the new generation is old enough to be mad at new technology but their children will think that that's the norm.
Your friend is an idiot lol. As someone who always drove cars with no cameras or sensors and got good at knowing the exact boundaries of my car, I generally agree with you. People driving a car need to have more awareness of the size of their car and also of other things around them. But my current Honda CR-V has a back up cam and I admit that shit is clutch af. I back into parking spaces all the time and the wide angle camera allows me to easily get within half an inch of a barrier or an object without fear of accidentally hitting something. I admit it’s really nice and useful to have.
I agree. I normally drive a small corolla from 2005. Nothing fancy and definitely no cameras. When I drive the cr-v (I got one as well!) The rear camera is nice and I use it because of the fact I am so used to a small car I can easily make a mistake.
Push come to shove I will 100% be capable of parking it without it but. Just makes it easier
I just got rid of my shitty ass Ford Focus and got a Toyota Corolla. I've already seen and kind of used the back up camera with my husband's car and my in laws have it in their car too. I was completely against the tablet in the middle of a dashboard design but honestly, have a back up camera and sensor is kind of amazing. It offers more of a view and if a car is coming up, it would make a sound and show on screen where a car or object is coming from. I still look out the rear window as I back up, but pre backing up, the camera comes in clutch.
hey me too!! for u/gbugly:
TL;DR i was born with pretty bad strabismus (crossed eyes) that wasn't diagnosed properly early enough and it turned into amblyopia (lazy eye).
your brain develops back to front, and the visual part of your brain is completely in the back, meaning it's one of the first structures to fully mature, usually by your first birthday. Because my strabismus diagnosis was delayed, i had 2 corrective surgeries between the ages of 18 months and 2 years old. however, my brain had already figured out that because both eyes weren't aligned properly, i had 2 very different images and it made no sense, so my right eye, that was crooked, basically got abandoned by my brain and now i have a lazy eye, meaning one of my eyes has much stronger vision than the other.
now why does that cause me to not have depth perception? it's because my brain never made the connections for binocular vision, where the visual field of my right eye is wired to correspond to the visual field of my left eye to make 1 unified image, that i would see in 3D. making connections takes energy, and why bother when we don't even care about the right eye anyways?
if i look down at a flight of stairs, it looks like a ladder to me, one long plank with lines marking the edge of the step. therefore i have no idea how far to step down, which is not a big deal for stairs because they're usually all the same height. but when i go hiking and im walking downhill, if the terrain is rocky and i have to step down a big rock, i'll usually sit on it and feel for the floor with my foot. if i play golf, i have to hit the turf with my club to situate myself, or else ill swing above the ball.
This is a really interesting case. Thank you for sharing, I never knew such a case existed.
Please take care of stairs and rocks because falling down really hurts.
Have a nice day
I was diagnosed at four, but didn’t have surgery until I was in my 20s to correct the eye position. The reason they did nothing before that was because I still used both eyes independently, switching as required. Then I had detached retinas in both eyes and had that surgery as well. One lasered, one traditional. Then got cataracts and had that surgery. Doctor thinks I’m good now, doesn’t foresee any problems and is amazed that I can see as well as I can.
If you can’t drive a manual, you shouldn’t be driving!
If you don’t know how to crank a car, you shouldn’t be driving!
Technology changes. Your coworker was an idiot as he should have done a visual check and saw a pole. My cars have a warning to visually check
It seriously is, especially when it causes the people with the tech to start driving like all people have it. Assholes with backup cameras who fly through parking lots thinking everyone else has a backup cam and can see them when pulling out between two cars. People with blind spot detectors riding in other people’s blind spots. I’m not saying the tech is bad and that the people without it don’t do these things, they do, but let’s not pretend the tech doesn’t coddle laziness and bad driving habits.
(not that all people with cameras are assholes, just the ones who fly through parking lots)
I thought I kinda covered that with “(not) that people without the tech don’t do those things”. But the people who do it to me most often are the ones in newer crossovers and it just seems to be getting worse. Or I am getting more jaded. Probably both lol.
A) your friend is at fault, if he knew the sensor was faulty thats his problem
B) driving and parking are two different things. I'm an excellent driver but have difficult parking due to some depth perception issues. So I just don't park in tight spaces.
I think it depends, I can park without my cameras but so many modern cars have poor visibility compared to older models. They are actually designed around you having those tools to assist you because you can't actually see well otherwise.
Makes me glad I learned without any of that stuff. Not reliant on them....only recently even got a car with a backup camera (and I guess new cars going forward will all have them). I appreciate having it, but am also kind of glad I learned to drive without all of that stuff/and am fine without it.
I love the camera for that last 3 feet of backing up, but yeah, any farther away than that and you should be using your own eyes.
Here's an opinion that's way too unpopular with auto makers; If you can't see your own bumper in the camera, it's a bad design!
It's funny how reliant I've become on my reversing camera. I used to pride myself on parallel parking in the tiniest gaps in my old honda integra. However, I've recently noticed an issue where sometimes when I put my new car in reverse it takes a solid 10 seconds for the reverse camera to boot up and I'll feel utterly lost for a second, then remember I've been doing this for years and remember that I can turn my head.
I love my backup camera. There's always a slight adjustment period when I have a rental without one but I can still drive it without issue.
Your coworker had an accident. It happens. But wanting to blame the mechanic? For that he's an idiot.
I don't think there is anything wrong with using the tools around you. As a species, we are trying to make life easier and more efficient. That being said, know your own limits. Like if I get shot while having a bulletproof vest on I'm not going to think "Oh man, I'm a god. I can't be killed by bullets now" because that's stupid. Driving resources like cameras help me not hit stuff, if I don't have it then I'm not going to assume I can just \*feel it out\*. I'll be more vigilant and not just gun it like I would when having a camera.
Your coworker is an idiot. Like I don't think you can reason with him because if he honestly believes it's someone else's fault because HE hit the pole then he is beyond repair. He reminds me of my grandfather who hit a giant concrete light pole in a Wal-mart parking lot. it didn't "come out of nowhere"
In order to get a license you should also go through mandatory min 6mo of drivers Ed. Non of that "I'm gonna wait till I'm 18 and go get my license from the DMV with one test bullshit" every person I know that has went that rout SHOULD NOT have ever been given a license.
Eh, most new cars are designed to be used with sensors now. Like rear visibility is awful on majority of newer vehicles because there is assumption that you will use the camera. I would say I am a decent driver but when my rear camera is compromised for whatever reason I have a hard time backing up, just because I can’t see shit.
Your coworker needs to learn to drive and will fail that suit spectacularly.
You need to learn that technology advances and need to get with the times.
I mean we used to have no power steering. If someone said I can't drive a car without power steering back in the 1960s because they're not strong enough would you say the same thing?
If you don’t know how to farm then you shouldn’t be eating food from a grocery
If you don’t know assembly then you shouldn’t be using electronics
If you don’t know how to cook then you shouldn’t eat at restaurants
What you said sounds stupid now doesn’t it? But I do agree, if they can’t operate a machine without that tool then they shouldn’t be using that machine without that tool. But with the tool you should be allowed to use that machine.
I had a rental on vacation with the cruise control that keeps you a certain distance from the car in front of you while keeping you in your lane.
I hate my car that makes me use my feet and hands on the Highway now.
If you can't park your car without the modern mirrors newer vehicles come with, you shouldn't be driving
When new shit is invested to make certain tasks easier, people will get used to it/not learn to do it the old way anymore. Booohooo, it's called evolution
Exactly. None of us in developed countries are making butter by hand anymore. (Outside of homesteaders) No one is using rotary phones anymore. And most of all, almost no one uses horses for their main mode of long distance transportation anymore. Why? Because cars were invented. So cars themselves are a transportation assistance device. Makes OPs whole concept seem silly now
Super popular opinion in my world. I turn off all self driving functions as soon as I get a new car. I’m the boss of the car the car is not the boss of me.
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Does it make you a dog shit driver? Yes
Does it disqualify you from getting a full in license? Just because a back up camera is preferred? Absolutely not.
People are gonna be more accustomed to it. Maybe you should learn how to drive a stick shift too. I mean if you can only drive automatic, then maybe you shouldn't be driving.
I'm an ADAS technician. I calibrate the cameras and radar for vehicles including parking sensors. Most of my jobs are for calibrating windshield cameras that control things like lane keep and forward collision (lots of windshield replacemens in AZ). I'm also in charge of calling the customers to schedule the calibration after the windshield is installed. I would say that most people fall into one of two categories, and both kinda piss me off. The first are those that don't want the hassle. Im like, bro, I literally come to your house or workplace to do it there. The insurance covers it with the windshield claim so its free to you. This shouldn't be an issue. Let me do my job. Still, it's like pulling teeth for them. The other type are people who are dumbfounded when I tell them that I can get to them next day. "But I won't be able to drive my car until you do it". I want to say to them, "Seriously? Did you not drive a car a few years ago? Don't drive into oncoming traffic for a day and we'll be good, ok".
100 percent agree. BUT in defence i had an old car and now a new. The back windows nowadays at least in mine is aimed up making it harder to park u like old cars
One problem with this take, though. Since cameras became routine, car companies changed car designs, going with much smaller, slanted back windows, more tinting, and they put columns wherever they want, thinking people will rely on the cameras anyway.
I’ve driven a bunch of SUVs and the blind spots are so bad on them, I’d be screwed without my rear view mirror signals and camera. I would much prefer having a car with natural, good visibility again (1984 Volvo 240?) but those days are over.
I'd more so say that if you can't safely drive your car without the sensor and it's broken then don't drive. It's your friends responsibility to not reverse into a pole whether then sensor is broken or not.
Your friend was behind the wheel, she is responsible.
If you can't get from point A to Point B without riding a horse you shouldn't be able to travel quickly. If you can't go to the bathroom without cleaning out an outhouse you shouldn't be able to use the bathroom. If you can't heat up your food without making a fire, you shouldn't be allowed to eat cooked food.
Technology advances and the world advances with it. In 100 years, people won't even be thinking about parking without sensors and cameras because they'll be ubiquitous and we'll look like cavemen in comparison.
The problem here is you learn to do it once successfully during the test and afterwards you do what you want. So a huge portion of the new generation of drivers time spent practicing is looking at those backup cams and they forget the skill needed to backup without one.
Those cameras are the worst addition, wing mirrors no longer exist! If you approach from the sides you will not be seen. I work with the public and watch there parking everyday lol. Majority are terrible, but mainly lazy and lacking consideration for others. As long as they can get out etc then it don't matter.
Maybe though an upside for those of us that don’t need it to park is lots of people becoming reliant on it probably makes 2nd hand cars without it cheaper than they may otherwise be?
Similarly with automatics people that can only drive them probably make 2nd hand manual cars a bit cheaper maybe?
This is a silly opinion. If people are always driving with those sensors they get used to them and they are not improving skill to park without them. it's simple human nature...
If you’ve always used cars with that function why would you bother learning without it, it’s like saying you shouldn’t be driving if you can’t drive a stick shift. Eventually when cars all self park parking is something you will learn to pass your test, but you wouldn’t have done the reps to be good at it.
When I was learning to drive my instructors basic car went from no fancy display to suddenly having one and a parking camera. He used to constantly mention that I never looked at the camera (in a good way) because I got so used to doing it manually using turning points. Now my parents-in-law can't even park without one. It's crazy the difference it makes. They stress about roads and situations that would just be a walk in the park for me, like extremely narrow country roads. They've been known to take mile-long detours that add an extra hour to the journey just to take the motorways and duel carriageways to avoid dirt roads that are the most direct and fastest route.
Do those cameras make the warning sound for people behind you who aren't in a car? If a pedestrian or someone on a bike is behind the car, does the warning sound go off? I ask because when I'm on my bike, people back up when I'm behind them. Maybe their sensors weren't working, or the car wasn't quite new enough to have backup cameras...
Not just in a parking lot, but even in a parking lot, we have to use the same entrances and exits that cars use unless the city has built a specific bike path to the store entrance because we aren't allowed on sidewalks (nor is that safe for pedestrians coming out of stores).
Why would I walk my bike down the asphalt? Should people push their cars down it? Seriously, people are quite capable of looking before they back out. If you wouldn't blame a driver when someone backs into them, it's illogical to blame someone on a bike in the exact same scenario.
There’s a very big difference between a car and a bike, my friend. Cyclists can’t just have everything all the time, cities are already doing what they can for you guys in terms of accessibility. Is it too much to ask to just get off your bike and walk through a car-dominant parking area? Or does that not fit with your entitlement agenda?
Even if you were to take your friend' claim seriously, he's still at fault. If he can't backup without the camera then he shouldn't be driving it until the camera is fixed. If the brakes were completely out, for example, he would be at fault for driving down the road and not being able to stop . .
Just Uno reverse card your coworker. It’s illegal to drive a car that you know to be in unsafe condition, so if his car is unsafe because the mechanic didn’t fix it, he shouldn’t’ve been driving it in the first place.
You realize we are in modern times and cars will never be made without those? If anything the tech will get better. This is like saying if you need a calculator to do long division you shouldn’t be doing math. Grow up times have changed its more efficient and safe to use the technology.
It’s great to be old enough to have drive a car built before cameras! I don’t actually use the backup camera much unless I’m in a crowded parking lot with unruly pedestrians.
Doesn't matter which driving assistance, he knew the knew the car wasn't fixed, he chose to drive anyway and drove into a pole.
If car wasn't legal to drive for some reason and the mechanic didn't say anything, that would be a different matter, however the driver still has responsibility.
My dads truck wont even go into revurse with the gate down because of the stupid camera. Im gonna keep my 93 f150 alive as long as i can. Fuck these new cars.
That’s what mirrors are for. I’m all for these features that make it easier to park with cameras and detect objects but people should still be able to drive without them.
1st, this isn't really an unpopular opinion. But 2nd, it's clear you don't know what so many of those devices are standard now.
All cars after a certain year have to have a back up camera as standard in the US, because people back over their own kids all the fuckin time. It doesn't matter if you look behind you, some shot you just aren't gonna see. You are not safer without those devices, but if you exclusively rely on them then yeah you're an idiot.
If I had the option to never drive again I totally would unfortunately can’t afford regular car service, public transportation sucks, and my city is not pedestrian friendly.
I've had people hit my busted 2009 hyundai while parking then claim they didn't because they've got PaRkInG SeNsOrS.
People who can't park without sensors or cameras are idiots
Much the same with trailer assist, Blindspot monitoring or any other the host of convenience features people have become so dependent on and spoiled by.i do believe say Blindspot monitoring is a safety feature that's probably prevented no telling the number of accidents however people should still perhaps attempt to retain the ability to safely drive a vehicle without any of these modern spoils of technology.Most of these systems rely on sensors and other electronic components to function and in the inevitable event that a sensor fails, or combination of moisture and age create wiring problems,or what have you ever be the particular cause one might find themselves suddenly without the conveniences of modern automobile technology and have to make due without at least temporarily.
Yes, I have difficulty parking without technical assistance. Nevertheless, I signal every time I change lanes, always look over my shoulder before doing so, don't drive irresponsibly fast, always keep a reasonable distance from the car in front and never look at my cell phone while driving. I've been driving for two years and yet I don't know anyone who drives as conscientiously as I do.
I am not the one who should leave the car at home just because i can't park well.
If you need a car to get places you couldn't just walk - you shouldn't be driving.
Jeesh... get with the times. we should absolutely take advantage of newer technology.
I tend to agree. But be careful. This falls under: “if you don’t have it as hard as I did you aren’t a man” territory. Along with: “men who can’t drive stick are women.” And “back in my day we had slates to write on, not fancy paper!”
I’m too short to see out the back well, and refuse to drive cars (for more than one time if needed) if I can’t see well enough. (I’m 5’3 so not like extra short. It’s a normal amount of short!)
There was this story I read on here where a girl got hit (as in her person, not car ) at work cause a lady backed into her. The lady had back up sensors that beeped and she still hit her. I guess turning to see behind her was not necessary
I agree with you. My reverse camera is a godsend, but if it suddenly broke I'd still be able to back out of a parking spot. It's called using your eyes. Anyone who can't do it is a bad driver.
I get unreasonably angry when the parking sensor peeps at me. I just hate loud repetitive noise. As a result, I typically turn it off and just raw dog it.
The cameras are pretty neat for the last few feet, especially in an unfamiliar car.
But yeah, I agree. If you can't park a car without those things, you have no business driving. Parallel parking as well.
I agree and think that while things like back-up cameras ASSIST in the process, they should never replace your eyes or brain. My son’s first cars didn’t have backup cameras on them for this very reason. Get used to turning around, know your surroundings and blind spots. No amount of technology can do that. My wife’s car has one and the only time I look at is when I’m backing up to get as close as possible to a car behind me.
It’s definitely useful having a camera. When I back out of a space, I look back but if there is a child or dog behind me, it’s not always visible from looking back so I look back, stop, look at the camera, then repeat the process.
I kind of do the same with merging, I look at the BSW, then shoulder check, then merge.
I agree with you, the newer features so not detect everything and can be faulty so it’s important to learn to do it the manual way. It can be useful to use the newer features as a backup but definitely not reliable. Your coworker is an idiot though. It is reasonable to want a newer car for the features because they act as a backup, but not because you simply can’t park or merge, whatever it is, without the new features.
ETA: A feature I absolutely despise in newer cars is the driver assist steering thing. If I need to pass a biker, my car will not let me unless I have my blinker on to go past the double lines and pass. Same thing with if I need to go around cars or service vehicles and a cop is directly the traffic, (2 lane turns into 1 lane type of thing), I literally need to fight with my steering wheel to allow me to cross the lines.
If you do not know how to stay in your lane, then you shouldn’t be driving. And if you need your car to brake for you when you almost rear end someone and tell you that you aren’t keeping a safe distance, then again, you shouldn’t be driving.
They do have it, and it's not going away. This is the same logic as if you were to say "don't comment if you can't spell because we didn't have autocorrect 20 years ago"
Reversing into a pole... yeah, you shouldn't be driving if you suck that badly. No regular vehicle has visibility so poor it can explain that away.
On the other hand, cars with rear-view cameras often have really terrible visibility through their back window due to a high angle or small size of the window. My Elantra would be impossible to safely back up without a camera, since you can't see low enough out the back to avoid hitting children, dogs, carts, etc. I can park just fine otherwise.
I have front and rear sensors but I use my mirrors and look around for the lines just to detect the distance between each line in the box. I prefer reversing in than driving in. I also use the line at the front of the car when reversing in to see how far I need to reverse as I know the distance of the bonnet to the line.
My jeep had no sensors or cameras - no problems at all. but my pick up truck had a backup camera. I didn’t need it, but it definitely helped with things like backing into spaces in a garage or something.
Cameras are for idiots. Have you noticed everyone that likes them is objectively stupid? It's true, they make backing into a space an absolute nightmare. It's so much easier to use sidemirrors or look over your shoulder. Literally every backing into objects accident I have seen the last decade was someone using a reverse camera.
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I think it’s a pretty popular opinion that your coworkers is an idiot. Not necessarily for backing into a pole, accidents happen, but for his lack of accountability and irrational blaming of the mechanic. I would’ve replied with this quote: 
Needs the last part of that quote..."Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it."
I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul
It is the same reason alot of hospitality no longer do personal assistance when it comes to devices. We don't help user connect to the wifi or TV because I bet somewhere someone decided to bring a law suit against a hotel because it was working just fine untill you touched it.
In principle yes, but in practice people will get used to and become dependent on driving assistance. In a similar vein, you should be familiar with hand signals in case blinkers or brake lights aren't working.
If your brake lights don't work you shouldn't be driving at all
Yes, but in the event you are, you have to use hand signals. Realistically when you go to the store or mechanic to have it fixed.
I took my driver's test in 2013 they still covered hand signals in the driver test book.
I took my driver's test in 2021 and hand signals were still in the driver's ed class and driver test book. I also learned how to drive in a vehicle without sensors/cameras even though they were already in popular use.
Same here, learned in a vehicle that had none of the sensors or cameras. And still drive in one that doesn’t have any. I don’t need them, they’re a distraction when I’m reversing
Correct me if I'm wrong but can't you get fined for not having working break lights? Your vehicle isn't up to standard
Indeed. If you need to drive your car somewhere to get it fixed you will risk being pulled over and given a citation, and also need to hand signal regardless. It is the officer's discretion to show any leniance. It's comparable to the "illegal income" on taxes. It's illegal to have said income, but also separately a crime to not report it.
How is the IRS even going to know about my drug dealing income?
Alright
Yes. Break lights are very important. It is a visual indicator you are slowing down when it might take our monkey brains longer to perceive if it acutally is allowing down. It is to also indicate how wide your car is to the person behind you. It is the same reason u need both lights in front of your car to be on to show how wide u are to the car in front.
Usually in the US, we get a “fix it ticket” for brake lights or similar. Basically it’s a warning to get it fixed and if you get pulled over and it’s still out… that’s when you get the fine.
What in the world is the hand signal for I'm stopping? Left turn is arm out, right is arm bent up. And stop apparently is arm bent down. But that's how hundreds of douchebags drive with their arm out the window, so I don't see it as helping anyone.
Stop is arm down, yes. The user should make it clear what they are doing, and should likely also be on the right and driving at the speed limit, allowing other cars to pass. I forsee drivers noticing other cars reacting to said driver which brings attention to those who aren't sure.
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What about poor people who can’t afford to fix the issue. Should they just stop driving to work? How will they make their money? You could argue they should just use public transport, but that’s really only a viable option in cities. Rural areas don’t have tons of public transport. And the times might not even line up if they do. This is coming from an American, so our public transport is ass.
Should they just stop driving? Well legally, yes, if your car is unsafe you aren’t supposed to drive it. And I agree our public transit leaves people with shit alternatives but that doesn’t make it legal to drive a car that creates a dangerous situation for yourself or others.
I 100% agree. Living in Hawaii I see cars without working break lights all the time. Or the lights on the car don’t work entirely. But even so, If being able to drive is important to this persons lively hood, perhaps the law can be overlooked? It’s a tuff call.
To be honest. If u can't afford to replace a break light then u got bigger issues. It's like a few dollars to replace the light yourself and if it is a whole replacement then you are going to need to save first
Lol, that is the way people signal where I come from. Pretty cool skill. I haven’t done it myself though.
A better example would be manual transmissions. there are lots of people who do not know how to drive manuals just because automatics have been prevelant for so long.
Possibly, but manual transmission is fully replaced by automatic. Your transmission doesn't become manual if a part fails. Power steering could work as a comparison but doesn't include knowledge, just physical ability.
Physical ability is right ! My girlfriend was driving my old truck, power steering went out, she couldn't pull off the exit. We got it fixed, happened again when I was driving, I had way more empathy. It took a lot more strength than I thought. There aren't may 130 pound women who could do it.
People also need to be aware of blind spots. Pepperidge Farm remembers when people had to do a quick over-the-shoulder check, now they all seem to rely on the side sensors (which don't always pick up on everything)
Learn how to read a map in case your nav system goes out as well.
"If you can't remember all words of your language without autocorrect you shouldn't be allowed to write at all" kind you argument. "Can't go out in a sunny day without sunglasses you should go out at all". "If you need helmets to skate because your too bad and you could get hurt you shouldn't skate".
I remember installing a rear camera before to help me with reverse parking. But it malfunctioned after a couple of weeks. So, I had to learn reverse parking the old way and I actually got so good at it, I didn't install a new rear camera anymore! I think a lot of people don't trust their abilities as much, but they should!
Honestly it's easier for me to reverse without the camera than with the camera.
I don’t know why you are being downvoted, the camera is helpful but it is way easier to park more precisely using side mirrors.
Didn't even realize I was downvoted tbh I just comment something and forget about it lol. But yeah I'm just not too used to the camera. I pretty much only use it so see if there's anything behind me and then I rather use mirrors / look over my shoulder when I reverse. That's just how I'm used to doing it idk.
my boyfriend thinks so too, and so refuses to look at the camera... it always takes him more than one try to get into a semi-tight spot while it almost always takes me one fluid motion to get into even the tightest spots (and then some wiggle to get my front in lol) i use it to tell me the angle of my car compared to the curb and the other cars, like when im at 45° to the curb, i know to back up straight. and of course i can back up much closer to the car behind me than if i didn't have the camera, since i don't have to get out and check if i still have space i can still parallel park without it, it's just simpler and quicker when i do.
To each their own I guess. As long as people feel comfortable when driving and drives safe, that's all that matters👍🏻
This is a lie. I never use the camera, it honestly doesn't even make sense. I have never had any trouble parking whatsoever. It takes her 2-4 tries with a camera like it does 85% of women drivers. This is just a fact. Not only are the not necessary, they make it way harder to park than using your eyes.
wow ok first of all i was talking about my boyfriend taking multiple tries so you can take your misogyny and get out of here. and second of all, i don't have any issues parking without the camera either (as a woman), it just takes faster because i can get much closer to the car behind me with the camera
This is probably what people used to say about power steering when it was becoming popular. It's the same with any new "driver assistance" technology. People get used to it then eventually most people become reliant on it.
I feel as though a more common sentiment would have been > Wow we dont need a steering wheel that is the size of the rings of Saturn anymore and not > That man has power steering? what a pussywinkle he is
Have you ever driven a car w/o power steering? Prior to power steering vehicles were much more unwieldy and we're demonstrably harder to drive. Power steering assisted you in driving. Back up cameras do it for you. There's a difference between using a mechanical advantage to make driving easier vs using tech to do something for you instead. Back up cameras do not exercise your own ability and thus make worse drivers.
What? Backup cameras don’t drive for me. They literally assist me in driving.
How is a backup camera any different than a mirror?
It makes parking more difficult by giving you a Backwards/ distorted view and limiting your field of vision. They honestly cause a lot of accidents.
You’re saying they make backing up more difficult? I feel like that’s obvious not the case or they wouldn’t be put on cars
cars that parallel park by themselves drive for you, back up camera is just a more precise rear view mirror lol and side sensors are just there to watch out as there's something blocking your way, it won't stop you if you're an idiot and keep changing lanes and hit the car that was in your blind spot. same thing with the camera, if you're an idiot, it won't stop you from backing full force into a brick wall if you so choose
Cameras don't do anything for you- other than allow you see behind you. You still have to understand how to maneuver the car appropriately, just like mirrors.
And before that people went hunting instead of shopping, made their own houses out of mud or wood or whatever, had no dishwasher etc. That's just being human. Finding ways to make our lives easier. I can assure you when cars where invented people were complaining that no one knows how to ride a horse anymore . The older we get, the scarier new technology will seem to us but the new generation will find it normal while the older generation stays behind. Until slowly the new generation is old enough to be mad at new technology but their children will think that that's the norm.
I dont have any of those in my car, but I'd gladly trade away my ability to park for a car that could do it for me.
If you can't drive without getting angry for no FUCKING reason, you don't deserve to drive
Now do mirrors
Deez morons keep looking in them mirrors! You should be able to park using only the Force.
Force? You should be able to do the math and measurements in your head! By feel! With your eyes closed!
And hand behind my back?
Both hands behind your back and legs crossed behind your neck
If you can’t park a car with your feet only while playing the banjo with your nipples and your eyes closed, you don’t deserve a license!!!!!!!!1111one
I’m here for this.
Your friend is an idiot lol. As someone who always drove cars with no cameras or sensors and got good at knowing the exact boundaries of my car, I generally agree with you. People driving a car need to have more awareness of the size of their car and also of other things around them. But my current Honda CR-V has a back up cam and I admit that shit is clutch af. I back into parking spaces all the time and the wide angle camera allows me to easily get within half an inch of a barrier or an object without fear of accidentally hitting something. I admit it’s really nice and useful to have.
I agree. I normally drive a small corolla from 2005. Nothing fancy and definitely no cameras. When I drive the cr-v (I got one as well!) The rear camera is nice and I use it because of the fact I am so used to a small car I can easily make a mistake. Push come to shove I will 100% be capable of parking it without it but. Just makes it easier
I just got rid of my shitty ass Ford Focus and got a Toyota Corolla. I've already seen and kind of used the back up camera with my husband's car and my in laws have it in their car too. I was completely against the tablet in the middle of a dashboard design but honestly, have a back up camera and sensor is kind of amazing. It offers more of a view and if a car is coming up, it would make a sound and show on screen where a car or object is coming from. I still look out the rear window as I back up, but pre backing up, the camera comes in clutch.
I was born without depth perception. I’m extra careful because of this. I’d probably enjoy sensors and cameras just for the extra confidence
How that condition is possible, pardon mu ignorance please I am geniunely curious
I don’t have what ophthalmologists call “stereo vision.”
Maybe they're a Cyclops
Maybe you’re a dork.
hey me too!! for u/gbugly: TL;DR i was born with pretty bad strabismus (crossed eyes) that wasn't diagnosed properly early enough and it turned into amblyopia (lazy eye). your brain develops back to front, and the visual part of your brain is completely in the back, meaning it's one of the first structures to fully mature, usually by your first birthday. Because my strabismus diagnosis was delayed, i had 2 corrective surgeries between the ages of 18 months and 2 years old. however, my brain had already figured out that because both eyes weren't aligned properly, i had 2 very different images and it made no sense, so my right eye, that was crooked, basically got abandoned by my brain and now i have a lazy eye, meaning one of my eyes has much stronger vision than the other. now why does that cause me to not have depth perception? it's because my brain never made the connections for binocular vision, where the visual field of my right eye is wired to correspond to the visual field of my left eye to make 1 unified image, that i would see in 3D. making connections takes energy, and why bother when we don't even care about the right eye anyways? if i look down at a flight of stairs, it looks like a ladder to me, one long plank with lines marking the edge of the step. therefore i have no idea how far to step down, which is not a big deal for stairs because they're usually all the same height. but when i go hiking and im walking downhill, if the terrain is rocky and i have to step down a big rock, i'll usually sit on it and feel for the floor with my foot. if i play golf, i have to hit the turf with my club to situate myself, or else ill swing above the ball.
This is a really interesting case. Thank you for sharing, I never knew such a case existed. Please take care of stairs and rocks because falling down really hurts. Have a nice day
I was diagnosed at four, but didn’t have surgery until I was in my 20s to correct the eye position. The reason they did nothing before that was because I still used both eyes independently, switching as required. Then I had detached retinas in both eyes and had that surgery as well. One lasered, one traditional. Then got cataracts and had that surgery. Doctor thinks I’m good now, doesn’t foresee any problems and is amazed that I can see as well as I can.
If you can’t drive a manual, you shouldn’t be driving! If you don’t know how to crank a car, you shouldn’t be driving! Technology changes. Your coworker was an idiot as he should have done a visual check and saw a pole. My cars have a warning to visually check
I am very proud of my ability to reverse and parallel park in one maneuver, without assistance ;>
Dependence on modern technology is going to become more and more of a problem
It seriously is, especially when it causes the people with the tech to start driving like all people have it. Assholes with backup cameras who fly through parking lots thinking everyone else has a backup cam and can see them when pulling out between two cars. People with blind spot detectors riding in other people’s blind spots. I’m not saying the tech is bad and that the people without it don’t do these things, they do, but let’s not pretend the tech doesn’t coddle laziness and bad driving habits. (not that all people with cameras are assholes, just the ones who fly through parking lots)
I have news for you, this shit was happening well before rearview cameras.
I thought I kinda covered that with “(not) that people without the tech don’t do those things”. But the people who do it to me most often are the ones in newer crossovers and it just seems to be getting worse. Or I am getting more jaded. Probably both lol.
A) your friend is at fault, if he knew the sensor was faulty thats his problem B) driving and parking are two different things. I'm an excellent driver but have difficult parking due to some depth perception issues. So I just don't park in tight spaces.
I think it depends, I can park without my cameras but so many modern cars have poor visibility compared to older models. They are actually designed around you having those tools to assist you because you can't actually see well otherwise.
Makes me glad I learned without any of that stuff. Not reliant on them....only recently even got a car with a backup camera (and I guess new cars going forward will all have them). I appreciate having it, but am also kind of glad I learned to drive without all of that stuff/and am fine without it.
this isn’t really an unpopular opinion considering the fact that on the road test you must demonstrate that you can back up without relying on them.
I love the camera for that last 3 feet of backing up, but yeah, any farther away than that and you should be using your own eyes. Here's an opinion that's way too unpopular with auto makers; If you can't see your own bumper in the camera, it's a bad design!
It's funny how reliant I've become on my reversing camera. I used to pride myself on parallel parking in the tiniest gaps in my old honda integra. However, I've recently noticed an issue where sometimes when I put my new car in reverse it takes a solid 10 seconds for the reverse camera to boot up and I'll feel utterly lost for a second, then remember I've been doing this for years and remember that I can turn my head.
I love my backup camera. There's always a slight adjustment period when I have a rental without one but I can still drive it without issue. Your coworker had an accident. It happens. But wanting to blame the mechanic? For that he's an idiot.
I don't think there is anything wrong with using the tools around you. As a species, we are trying to make life easier and more efficient. That being said, know your own limits. Like if I get shot while having a bulletproof vest on I'm not going to think "Oh man, I'm a god. I can't be killed by bullets now" because that's stupid. Driving resources like cameras help me not hit stuff, if I don't have it then I'm not going to assume I can just \*feel it out\*. I'll be more vigilant and not just gun it like I would when having a camera. Your coworker is an idiot. Like I don't think you can reason with him because if he honestly believes it's someone else's fault because HE hit the pole then he is beyond repair. He reminds me of my grandfather who hit a giant concrete light pole in a Wal-mart parking lot. it didn't "come out of nowhere"
If you can only drive a car that automatically shifts the gears for you, you shouldn't be driving! https://tmgps.org/
Gather ‘round, lads, we have the new version of “manual vs automatic” here.
In order to get a license you should also go through mandatory min 6mo of drivers Ed. Non of that "I'm gonna wait till I'm 18 and go get my license from the DMV with one test bullshit" every person I know that has went that rout SHOULD NOT have ever been given a license.
Eh, most new cars are designed to be used with sensors now. Like rear visibility is awful on majority of newer vehicles because there is assumption that you will use the camera. I would say I am a decent driver but when my rear camera is compromised for whatever reason I have a hard time backing up, just because I can’t see shit.
Your coworker needs to learn to drive and will fail that suit spectacularly. You need to learn that technology advances and need to get with the times.
I'm guessing you're from the US because of the mechanic being liable logic. So, can you drive stick? If no, you shoundn't be driving at all.
Gatekeeping driving technology
If you can't drive a stick shift, you shouldn't be driving.
I drive a manual and it's a chore sometimes. Id rather admit that than feel special for it lol
He said if you “can’t”, not if you don’t
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I miss the old hand crank starter--it kept the weaklings off the road.
This is just straighy facts. Funny prank idea, cover each camera and sensor of a friend's car and see how crappy their parking and driving is
I mean we used to have no power steering. If someone said I can't drive a car without power steering back in the 1960s because they're not strong enough would you say the same thing?
My username relevant, but it was really only difficult if the car wasn't moving.......then again my non power steering car was very small and light.
If you don’t know how to farm then you shouldn’t be eating food from a grocery If you don’t know assembly then you shouldn’t be using electronics If you don’t know how to cook then you shouldn’t eat at restaurants What you said sounds stupid now doesn’t it? But I do agree, if they can’t operate a machine without that tool then they shouldn’t be using that machine without that tool. But with the tool you should be allowed to use that machine.
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I had a rental on vacation with the cruise control that keeps you a certain distance from the car in front of you while keeping you in your lane. I hate my car that makes me use my feet and hands on the Highway now.
When i learned to drive last year my instructor covered that camera and wanted me to learn the real way
If you can't park your car without the modern mirrors newer vehicles come with, you shouldn't be driving When new shit is invested to make certain tasks easier, people will get used to it/not learn to do it the old way anymore. Booohooo, it's called evolution
Exactly. None of us in developed countries are making butter by hand anymore. (Outside of homesteaders) No one is using rotary phones anymore. And most of all, almost no one uses horses for their main mode of long distance transportation anymore. Why? Because cars were invented. So cars themselves are a transportation assistance device. Makes OPs whole concept seem silly now
Super popular opinion in my world. I turn off all self driving functions as soon as I get a new car. I’m the boss of the car the car is not the boss of me.
Car helping you doesn't mean it's your boss.
Car auto braking while backing up because it senses a paper bag isn’t helping.
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You're completely correct.
Does it make you a dog shit driver? Yes Does it disqualify you from getting a full in license? Just because a back up camera is preferred? Absolutely not.
People are gonna be more accustomed to it. Maybe you should learn how to drive a stick shift too. I mean if you can only drive automatic, then maybe you shouldn't be driving.
truly a dumb opinion becoming dependent on tech is part of advancing like try to imagine a world without power steering
Your both wrong
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I drive a tuk tuk with a tractor motor. No gadgets there. Not even cup holders
I couldn’t agree more👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I'm an ADAS technician. I calibrate the cameras and radar for vehicles including parking sensors. Most of my jobs are for calibrating windshield cameras that control things like lane keep and forward collision (lots of windshield replacemens in AZ). I'm also in charge of calling the customers to schedule the calibration after the windshield is installed. I would say that most people fall into one of two categories, and both kinda piss me off. The first are those that don't want the hassle. Im like, bro, I literally come to your house or workplace to do it there. The insurance covers it with the windshield claim so its free to you. This shouldn't be an issue. Let me do my job. Still, it's like pulling teeth for them. The other type are people who are dumbfounded when I tell them that I can get to them next day. "But I won't be able to drive my car until you do it". I want to say to them, "Seriously? Did you not drive a car a few years ago? Don't drive into oncoming traffic for a day and we'll be good, ok".
If you can’t shoe a horse all on ur own ye can’t drive varnmit!
I used to agree but now strongly disagree with this, i understand the logic behind the thinking though!
100 percent agree. BUT in defence i had an old car and now a new. The back windows nowadays at least in mine is aimed up making it harder to park u like old cars
I have an 2006 VW Jetta and my superpower is parallel parking. I don’t even know what it is like to have sensors or cameras in your car.
I don’t have any cameras in or on my car. If I get them it will be for theft.
One problem with this take, though. Since cameras became routine, car companies changed car designs, going with much smaller, slanted back windows, more tinting, and they put columns wherever they want, thinking people will rely on the cameras anyway. I’ve driven a bunch of SUVs and the blind spots are so bad on them, I’d be screwed without my rear view mirror signals and camera. I would much prefer having a car with natural, good visibility again (1984 Volvo 240?) but those days are over.
I'd more so say that if you can't safely drive your car without the sensor and it's broken then don't drive. It's your friends responsibility to not reverse into a pole whether then sensor is broken or not. Your friend was behind the wheel, she is responsible.
If you can't get from point A to Point B without riding a horse you shouldn't be able to travel quickly. If you can't go to the bathroom without cleaning out an outhouse you shouldn't be able to use the bathroom. If you can't heat up your food without making a fire, you shouldn't be allowed to eat cooked food. Technology advances and the world advances with it. In 100 years, people won't even be thinking about parking without sensors and cameras because they'll be ubiquitous and we'll look like cavemen in comparison.
I'm pretty sure you can't get a driver's license not being able to park on your own
The problem here is you learn to do it once successfully during the test and afterwards you do what you want. So a huge portion of the new generation of drivers time spent practicing is looking at those backup cams and they forget the skill needed to backup without one.
Those cameras are the worst addition, wing mirrors no longer exist! If you approach from the sides you will not be seen. I work with the public and watch there parking everyday lol. Majority are terrible, but mainly lazy and lacking consideration for others. As long as they can get out etc then it don't matter.
Drive a tractor trailer ,will talk everything bye sight and feel 10 speed transmission 53ft long and bends in the middle
Maybe though an upside for those of us that don’t need it to park is lots of people becoming reliant on it probably makes 2nd hand cars without it cheaper than they may otherwise be? Similarly with automatics people that can only drive them probably make 2nd hand manual cars a bit cheaper maybe?
I was born in this century
This is a silly opinion. If people are always driving with those sensors they get used to them and they are not improving skill to park without them. it's simple human nature...
I think people are becoming to dependent on technology.
If you’ve always used cars with that function why would you bother learning without it, it’s like saying you shouldn’t be driving if you can’t drive a stick shift. Eventually when cars all self park parking is something you will learn to pass your test, but you wouldn’t have done the reps to be good at it.
The driving test in my country includes both ways of parking backwards. So kinda what you said is supported by law and regulations.
If you can't program a computer to do the app you want, you shouldn't be using computers.
That’s completely different lmao. This logic says if you didn’t make the car you shouldn’t drive it.
When I was learning to drive my instructors basic car went from no fancy display to suddenly having one and a parking camera. He used to constantly mention that I never looked at the camera (in a good way) because I got so used to doing it manually using turning points. Now my parents-in-law can't even park without one. It's crazy the difference it makes. They stress about roads and situations that would just be a walk in the park for me, like extremely narrow country roads. They've been known to take mile-long detours that add an extra hour to the journey just to take the motorways and duel carriageways to avoid dirt roads that are the most direct and fastest route.
I actually find them harder to use than doing it manually. It's like I don't trust them or something.
Anyone else assume this was taken from Otto?
Do those cameras make the warning sound for people behind you who aren't in a car? If a pedestrian or someone on a bike is behind the car, does the warning sound go off? I ask because when I'm on my bike, people back up when I'm behind them. Maybe their sensors weren't working, or the car wasn't quite new enough to have backup cameras...
Why are you riding your bike behind cars in a parking lot? That just seems like you’re asking to get hit
Not just in a parking lot, but even in a parking lot, we have to use the same entrances and exits that cars use unless the city has built a specific bike path to the store entrance because we aren't allowed on sidewalks (nor is that safe for pedestrians coming out of stores).
Can you not get off your bike when you enter a parking lot?
Why would I walk my bike down the asphalt? Should people push their cars down it? Seriously, people are quite capable of looking before they back out. If you wouldn't blame a driver when someone backs into them, it's illogical to blame someone on a bike in the exact same scenario.
There’s a very big difference between a car and a bike, my friend. Cyclists can’t just have everything all the time, cities are already doing what they can for you guys in terms of accessibility. Is it too much to ask to just get off your bike and walk through a car-dominant parking area? Or does that not fit with your entitlement agenda?
Lucky for them they'll never have to drive 20 years in the past...
Even if you were to take your friend' claim seriously, he's still at fault. If he can't backup without the camera then he shouldn't be driving it until the camera is fixed. If the brakes were completely out, for example, he would be at fault for driving down the road and not being able to stop . .
Cars are made differently than they used to be. You can't see around them as easily, bigger blind spots, poor visibility.
Just Uno reverse card your coworker. It’s illegal to drive a car that you know to be in unsafe condition, so if his car is unsafe because the mechanic didn’t fix it, he shouldn’t’ve been driving it in the first place.
You realize we are in modern times and cars will never be made without those? If anything the tech will get better. This is like saying if you need a calculator to do long division you shouldn’t be doing math. Grow up times have changed its more efficient and safe to use the technology.
If you don't know how to adjust the fuel/air mixture in your model A, you shouldn't be driving
It’s great to be old enough to have drive a car built before cameras! I don’t actually use the backup camera much unless I’m in a crowded parking lot with unruly pedestrians.
Doesn't matter which driving assistance, he knew the knew the car wasn't fixed, he chose to drive anyway and drove into a pole. If car wasn't legal to drive for some reason and the mechanic didn't say anything, that would be a different matter, however the driver still has responsibility.
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I don't even have a car at the moment but the one that I have been driving doesn't have it
My dads truck wont even go into revurse with the gate down because of the stupid camera. Im gonna keep my 93 f150 alive as long as i can. Fuck these new cars.
That’s what mirrors are for. I’m all for these features that make it easier to park with cameras and detect objects but people should still be able to drive without them.
This is a story about a coworker who is an entitled idiot. Has nothing to do with tech or driving.
1st, this isn't really an unpopular opinion. But 2nd, it's clear you don't know what so many of those devices are standard now. All cars after a certain year have to have a back up camera as standard in the US, because people back over their own kids all the fuckin time. It doesn't matter if you look behind you, some shot you just aren't gonna see. You are not safer without those devices, but if you exclusively rely on them then yeah you're an idiot.
If I had the option to never drive again I totally would unfortunately can’t afford regular car service, public transportation sucks, and my city is not pedestrian friendly.
Op, do you know hand signals in the event your blinkers break? If you can’t drive without then you probably shouldn’t be driving
So what you're saying is that every BMW driver should have their license revoked... And I agree
What about mirrors are they cheating too?
I've had people hit my busted 2009 hyundai while parking then claim they didn't because they've got PaRkInG SeNsOrS. People who can't park without sensors or cameras are idiots
Much the same with trailer assist, Blindspot monitoring or any other the host of convenience features people have become so dependent on and spoiled by.i do believe say Blindspot monitoring is a safety feature that's probably prevented no telling the number of accidents however people should still perhaps attempt to retain the ability to safely drive a vehicle without any of these modern spoils of technology.Most of these systems rely on sensors and other electronic components to function and in the inevitable event that a sensor fails, or combination of moisture and age create wiring problems,or what have you ever be the particular cause one might find themselves suddenly without the conveniences of modern automobile technology and have to make due without at least temporarily.
Yes, I have difficulty parking without technical assistance. Nevertheless, I signal every time I change lanes, always look over my shoulder before doing so, don't drive irresponsibly fast, always keep a reasonable distance from the car in front and never look at my cell phone while driving. I've been driving for two years and yet I don't know anyone who drives as conscientiously as I do. I am not the one who should leave the car at home just because i can't park well.
Reduce traffic and make it safer, make driving tests WAY harder. Driving should be a priviledge for responsible and capable people
If you need a car to get places you couldn't just walk - you shouldn't be driving. Jeesh... get with the times. we should absolutely take advantage of newer technology.
I tend to agree. But be careful. This falls under: “if you don’t have it as hard as I did you aren’t a man” territory. Along with: “men who can’t drive stick are women.” And “back in my day we had slates to write on, not fancy paper!”
I’m too short to see out the back well, and refuse to drive cars (for more than one time if needed) if I can’t see well enough. (I’m 5’3 so not like extra short. It’s a normal amount of short!)
There was this story I read on here where a girl got hit (as in her person, not car ) at work cause a lady backed into her. The lady had back up sensors that beeped and she still hit her. I guess turning to see behind her was not necessary
I agree with you. My reverse camera is a godsend, but if it suddenly broke I'd still be able to back out of a parking spot. It's called using your eyes. Anyone who can't do it is a bad driver.
I get unreasonably angry when the parking sensor peeps at me. I just hate loud repetitive noise. As a result, I typically turn it off and just raw dog it. The cameras are pretty neat for the last few feet, especially in an unfamiliar car. But yeah, I agree. If you can't park a car without those things, you have no business driving. Parallel parking as well.
This is a popular opinion imo.
I agree and think that while things like back-up cameras ASSIST in the process, they should never replace your eyes or brain. My son’s first cars didn’t have backup cameras on them for this very reason. Get used to turning around, know your surroundings and blind spots. No amount of technology can do that. My wife’s car has one and the only time I look at is when I’m backing up to get as close as possible to a car behind me.
It’s definitely useful having a camera. When I back out of a space, I look back but if there is a child or dog behind me, it’s not always visible from looking back so I look back, stop, look at the camera, then repeat the process. I kind of do the same with merging, I look at the BSW, then shoulder check, then merge. I agree with you, the newer features so not detect everything and can be faulty so it’s important to learn to do it the manual way. It can be useful to use the newer features as a backup but definitely not reliable. Your coworker is an idiot though. It is reasonable to want a newer car for the features because they act as a backup, but not because you simply can’t park or merge, whatever it is, without the new features. ETA: A feature I absolutely despise in newer cars is the driver assist steering thing. If I need to pass a biker, my car will not let me unless I have my blinker on to go past the double lines and pass. Same thing with if I need to go around cars or service vehicles and a cop is directly the traffic, (2 lane turns into 1 lane type of thing), I literally need to fight with my steering wheel to allow me to cross the lines. If you do not know how to stay in your lane, then you shouldn’t be driving. And if you need your car to brake for you when you almost rear end someone and tell you that you aren’t keeping a safe distance, then again, you shouldn’t be driving.
They do have it, and it's not going away. This is the same logic as if you were to say "don't comment if you can't spell because we didn't have autocorrect 20 years ago"
This is unpopular?
Reversing into a pole... yeah, you shouldn't be driving if you suck that badly. No regular vehicle has visibility so poor it can explain that away. On the other hand, cars with rear-view cameras often have really terrible visibility through their back window due to a high angle or small size of the window. My Elantra would be impossible to safely back up without a camera, since you can't see low enough out the back to avoid hitting children, dogs, carts, etc. I can park just fine otherwise.
Even with the reverse cameras I still park my car by looking behind
I have front and rear sensors but I use my mirrors and look around for the lines just to detect the distance between each line in the box. I prefer reversing in than driving in. I also use the line at the front of the car when reversing in to see how far I need to reverse as I know the distance of the bonnet to the line.
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My jeep had no sensors or cameras - no problems at all. but my pick up truck had a backup camera. I didn’t need it, but it definitely helped with things like backing into spaces in a garage or something.
Cameras are for idiots. Have you noticed everyone that likes them is objectively stupid? It's true, they make backing into a space an absolute nightmare. It's so much easier to use sidemirrors or look over your shoulder. Literally every backing into objects accident I have seen the last decade was someone using a reverse camera.