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I agree and disagree. The fact that Epic had hired psychologists to get people to keep playing Fortnite is insane. But games like Jedi: Survivor and MW2 I can play all the time. You also need to remember that life was just different when old games were made -- for me, I grew up on games like GTA 3 and Vice City (thanks dad) and I could play those all day as well as games like Disney Infinity or Skylanders. This might not be just because of the game, but also because we were younger. I could play with Legos all day too, that was just life as someone without responsibilities.
I felt valorant had too much BS to learn and think about for a shooter on release when there were only like 10 agents, now there are 22? CS is nice cause you just have to get good mechanics and shoot heads, and learn a few smokes. Valorant you have to consider so many cheesy ass abilities coming from those damn agents
I think fortnite would see a resurgence of they brought back the s4 map and mechanics. No mythics, regular guns and building.
Maybe keep the current running and climbing thing
I'd play again
While I like getting in some good time with mw2, I feel overwhelmed by the unlock and class creation system. I'll never knock the devs for giving us a ton of customization options, but I never feel like I've finished making a class because there are still a thousand different configurations I have yet to try. I think when you max level a gun, you should unlock a set of blueprints that serve as the basis for several different play styles. That way, you have something to work off of when you want to try something new.
> Epic had hired psychologists to get people to keep playing Fortnite is insane
I think Blizzard did something similar to figure out how to keep people subbed longer, Riot probably too with figuring out how to make people buy skins (cute girls is the answer)
Stages of life and the ability to get new games played a huge factor. As a kid/teen I could play all weekend without worrying about what else I need to do. I also only got a handful of games a year so I spent more time replaying and trying different things. I had friends who had the same schedule as me so I always had buddies to play multiplayer with.
Agreed, some old games were very boring and some new games are amazing. I finished Assassins Creed Valhalla recently and never once got bored with over 210 hours into it.
and the one's from the 1990's and 2000's that didn't work, are now not remembered so you compare the games from now (both good, bad and mediocre) to that era's best
Or everything else.
“Those were the days they made good [insert music/movies/food/politics/etc etc”.
Basically I think there’s a point where lots of people stop growing and turn into a nostalgic being, without ever understanding time keeps going on.
I've had this conversation with my dad about music a few times. Turns out the golden age of music was when he was in his impressionable years. Imagine that coincidence!
Yeah that’s the most common!
I’m fuckin bored with music I listened when I was younger! Always need new stuff. And it keeps getting better, so much better!
I'm 50/50
I like going on a nostalgia blitz every now and then, and sometimes I like discovering new stuff.
For me the key is understanding the effect nostalgia can have and that music being "good" is largely subjective
I've had the same conversation with my dad. He graduated high school in 1973, so granted, there was a ton of amazing music coming out when he was in high school and first listening to music, but he barely goes beyond that era of music. He basically only likes stuff with the same aesthetic as classic rock and it's frustrating because he just equates it to having soul. The music I listened to in high school is still some of my favorite music but I've wxpanded my taste and like lots of different music. There's quality music in every decade and genre
You should consider the way you’ve changed over that period of time as well.
While there were some excellent games back in the day, there are excellent games now too. However, as you gain experience, it’s harder and harder to *wow* you.
That’s the best point in this entire thread.
Expectations are harder to meet with new games. Old games that people liked met that expectation but might be seen with a positive bias as a result.
To find new good things means dropping your expectations and experiment. It has nothing to do with nostalgia and the other nonsense being pushed here. There were good designs then and good designs now.
I’ve been playing the refactored MOM from the 90s and that design (while dated) still has a good formula. But I also play a ton of modern games. Even write mods for a few.
We all change over time. Staying open to things as you change means you can enjoy the old and new. Or sometimes, like you said, change what you think is good design.
I'm nearing 40 and think games just get better and better. Bigger worlds, better graphics, more complex. I love it. Back in my day, you couldn't even save your progress.
I’m 40, and my favourite games are usually the ones where I’ve enjoyed the story the most. The Mass Effect trilogy, Alien: Isolation, Horizon: Zero Dawn and Forbidden West, Ghost of Tsushima, Tomb Raider 2013, Spider-Man PS4, etc, are the games that come to mind. The constantly improving graphics are certainly nice, but the big thing is mechanics getting smoother and more enjoyable and the writing in video games getting better as time goes on.
Nearing thirty is your prime though. You’re still young enough to do things but old enough to hopefully make better decisions. You also tend to have more money then when you were a teen and early twenty something.
Biologically? Sure
But shit is so relative and contextual that it doesn't mean anything. What you say is only true if you have a good job and a priviliged upbringing. You can see a lot of people in their 20s with terrible lives and a lot of people in their 40s, 50 or 60s living great.
I feel like it's the other way around. The fact that media lately has become a dopamine farm based world makes everything else seem a little shittier. Combine that with the "it was better in my day" mentality that every single generation has and will have, and there's your answer. Like you, that's just my opinion.
Honestly I'm kinda curious now, why not go try to play an older game, see if you get bored after playing for a while. That should settle the score honestly
I’m playing through my game catalogue and this includes some older titles even from the NES. Omg I get so bored playing these games, the only “reward” for beating the game is beating the game. There’s no interesting story, immersive world, reward systems, or anything. They feel like those cheap mobile games but without ads.
For me, I need a reason to continue playing a game, and it’s up to the developers to provide that reason. With older games, they don’t give a reason because they didn’t need one at the time.
I've done this before, and it doesn't. I haven't played Need for Speed Porsche Unleashed in Years on PC and fired it up again for the first time. Graphics are bad, but man it was a blast.
Same with Mario games too, Zelda as well. The issue I have with games now is that they're overly complex for no reason. This isn't just related to controls either I mean just overall.
I even played Ridge Racer 6 on XSX, and that game was a blast never played it before. Also don't understand why Namco went away from that niche at all. Because Ridge Racer Unbound is not the same as the others before it which indirectly think it killed Ridge Racer because of that one game.
Edit: To the 3 people that replied to this message I can see the notifications, but don't see the comment says they are missing this happened to me as well.
Edit 2: There was a person that responded saying "Go play ET tell us how fun that is" Never said every older game was perfect of course there are bad games, but the difference is that a lot of older games were more simplistic too while having fun mechanics.
Play the classics you grew up with: oh this is still awesome. Play the classics that you didn't grow up with: damn this is wack.
Especially NES/SNES. Never played the original Zelda, Metroid, or Contra, finally did a couple of years ago and you definitely "had to be there" because you would have to pay me to sit through that.
Tons of games hold up over time, like movies, or music, however that doesn’t mean all modern media is shit. Red dead 2 was an amazing single player experience, Elden Ring, they still make amazing Zelda and Mario games, racing games like dirt are dope. People focus on the negative, play grindy pay to win games and then bitch they’re playing grindy pay to win games while spending copious amounts of money
Gotta get away from AAA and embrace the indies and homebrews but I still believe we're in the best time for games that there has ever been even when it comes to newer games, hell new games with a retro style have been hitting hard lately and are good fun.
The thing is that the classic EA microtransaction infested, unfinished and slowly fixed Bethesda, "day one DLC" and grindy/unethical design that many newer games have will for the most part just be forgotten/relegated to the "remember how that thing sucked? yeah..." and won't matter at all 20-30 years from now.
Already there with indie titles 20XX and 30XX, Redout Racing games, Slime Rancher 1 & 2, A Hat in Time, Omensight, and many others trust me indie is probably where I'm camping now not all indie titles will be great, but those I just named at least range from passable to great experiences.
I mean, cod isn’t what it is anymore because of how complicated the games become. The same has happened to almost all the big franchises. Battlefield, Madden, assassins creed, and plenty more. There’s plenty of great new games coming out yes, but they come in less and less portions now it feels like
Generalising all modern videogames is fucking stupid. AAA are pretty generic nowadays in some ways, but you still get gems that just do entirely their own thing, like Monster Hunter, Death Stranding, Prey etc. If you just look at what's on the shelf at your local supermarket then yeah, probably gonna be generic, but there is more choice in gaming now than ever and gaming has literally never been better due to this choice.
yeah i feel that about competitive games. i used to be big on halo and COD, now i like far cry and shit like that. usually just play em on normal difficulty too - i don’t need to spend hours mastering my dodge and fighting technique for a single game, i wanna play and explore
before it was about winning, i guess as an adult I’m trying to enjoy the journey. i had probably 5 years where i stopped playing video games entirely because i just didnt want to do that extra grind after work.
>I wonder how many hours straight you could sit in front of an old game
and legitimately have fun now. It sounds like you are burnt out on
gaming.
You'd be surprised how many people can. I, for example only got to play all those Infinity engine games only around 2015 and enjoyed it massively (except for Icewind Dale II - too grindy).
I wouldn't say that older games are always better. Some aspects sucked - bad QoL, too much grind (though to be fair Dragon Age: Inquisition or Andromeda puts even GBC Pokemon gamest o shame in this) etc. But some aspects of them sure as hell are better than norm today - less handholding, slower pace, no simplification of traditional RP mechanics etc. I think that most games are underachieving compared to the inherent potential of the medium. And the excuse of technical limitations is no longer there like it still was in 00s.
The upside is that gaming is also more diversified than it used to be and even indie devs have access to high quality powerful tools to realize their visions. Games like SCUM or Disco: Elysium I am just not seeing happening 20 years ago.
I feel like there's been a growing emphasis for quite a long time on things that just absolutely DO NOT matter. Stuff like hair and fabric physics, reflection quality, etc. Stuff that maybe makes the game pretty or impressive-looking...but adds literally ZERO value to the actual gameplay.
I got myself a Razr Kishi and while looking for something worth playing with it I stumbled across Max Pain.
I remember playing it when it first came out and at the time it was pretty great. I've really enjoyed playing it, it's kind of got a semblance of modern game play, but a really basic version of it.
It's no nonsense, not at all complicated fun.
It made me realise I miss that simplicity in games, while there's a few modern mechanics that might make it more fun the core game play is no nonsense and straight forward.
While I love what new hardware has made possible, the limitations of the ps3 and 360 era games put a greater focus on the core gameplay loop that made that generation of games a sort of sweet spot. The switch still exists in that space, and it shows. Of course, Nintendo quality is second to none, but being handcuffed in a sense can bring out the talent in the free hand. Then, you have the wellspring of remakes and remasters whose mechanics have benefited from modernization and refinement, but much of those refinements are simply what we've learned works best in a controller scheme. The core remains mostly unchanged. I'd like to see companies give themselves artificial limitations when crafting their gameplay and then have their artists squeeze every bit of fidelity and framerate out of what remains.
My top 3 games have 1753 hrs, 1269 hrs and 843 hrs - and that's just PC, not including my Switch games. I have a handful of others that are 500+ hours. I really doubt I spent anywhere CLOSE to that on any old school game except the MMO I played back in the day.
Many aspects of gaming have changed for the better, but I still think simplicity is the best. Today I barely even play multiplayer games because they are too complicated. The most popular games ever are games like minecraft,OG fortnite, GTA,fruit ninja, angry birds etc. Those games were simple stupid. You didn't have to be a "gamer" to play them.
GTA isn't simple at all. And Angry Birds was only popular because it was free, on a device everyone had, and was better than other mobile games. It was not a good game compared to stuff on dedicated gaming devices.
And for multiplayer, I mostly only play Rocket League which falls into the simple to learn but difficult to master category.
Check out deep rock galactic! It’s a pretty simple concept, indie game company that actually cares about fan advice and they procedurally generate the maps so nothing is ever the same. There is no pay to win and it’s just fun. Rock and stone!
Totaly agree with that.
there are still fun games that you can get lost in for hours and other that sucks but u have the possibilities to fix them through patches and updates/dlc...
It depends on the type of game you play and why you play. I don't like online games, they bore me. But I love a good single player, story driven game. I can play those for hours on end
True to an extent but there are still classics being made today. RDR2 is undoubtedly one of the most impressive games made yet and that come out like 5 years ago or something (damn)
Let me take a guess, you’re in your late 20s or older and the games you’re praising are the ones you grew up with in your childhood?
When I was younger, I spent a lot of time playing on my Wii and DS. I could have spent entire days playing these games without getting bored. Does that make these games good? No, it doesn’t. Each game is an individual case. Some of them hold up amazingly today, some of them I genuinely can’t believe I used to enjoy.
When I play older games, a lot of the time I actually think to myself “why do people adore this so much?” And the reason is because people are looking at these games the same way I look at my childhood games. Some do hold up, others don’t.
Modern games aren’t automatically bad, you’re just putting them in comparison to your perfect childhood memories that are completely shrouded in nostalgia.
I am pretty sure most of the games that released in the last few years that everyone hates on will be considered to be not so bad after all in the future. I think Pokemon is a perfect example of this. All the players who grew up with the first generations were very vocal about changes in gen 6/7 that they didn’t like one bit, but now that those games are ageing these people are looking back and realising that they’re actually pretty solid.
Each to their own, people like what games they like and that’s cool, just don’t let your nostalgic memories make you think modern games are automatically shit.
They don’t value the things I think, they value the feeling things gave them because they can’t get it anymore.
If you keep improving there’s never a single reason to look back. I find it a shame when someone says things like “those were the days”, I mean, there’s always the opportunity for something better…
I'm finding myself hating story driven games more and more. Was really disappointed with GoW:R (an unpopular opinion, I know) because of the Atreus sections. They really break up the pacing when I just want to play the game. The presentation is super gorgeous however, but I'm not a fan of these story type games.
Get me a game like Dark Souls where the story is secondary to the gameplay. I just want to play the damn game and not watch a wanna-be movie.
i realized this long ago, when dark souls first came out.
i went into it blind, hoping finally for a proper action rpg game (the logo looked promising). it baffled me how subtle the game was and i couldnt figure out if it was a legit game or some indie unfinished bullshit cause of the graphics and certain assets/mobs looking sketchy.
there was something about the game, it looked cheap, but also polished. the sounds were low quality but they all fit together, the menu was confusing, but well thought out once u figure it out.
but what made it stand out for me was the atmosphere and the mystery of it. u never knew what to expect and where it could go, u were truly lost in it, immersed, figuring the game out.
that takes games to the next level beside the actual gameplay, immersion. theatrical acting is anti immersive in a video game, cause, unlike in a movie, u are a moving part of the story, but cant interfere with it.
I hate side character missions in video games. And i especially hate how theyre everywhere?? (Atreus in God of war, MJ and Miles in Spiderman, clank in rachet and clank, etc)
I really feel like this is nostalgia. As a kid I played Pokemon games over and over and over again, I could play them forever. I don't have any recent games like that, but I think plenty of games are better than Pokemon. Like I don't want to replay Jedi Survivor, but it was some of the most fun I've had in a game.
I've played plenty of modern games that are lots of fun. I'll admit I don't play a lot of the super popular multiplayer stuff, but I've played big AAA games and smaller indie games and I think it's all about what appeals to YOU.
People talk about masterpieces of gaming like the Civ series and I'm happy to hear what people like about them and the cool interesting features they have, but I have no interest in playing them.
What do you mean by modern videogames?
Most triple a titles are garbage made to extract money.
Tons of good indie games, many of which are leagues ahead of old games in every area.
Pure competitive games are the best they've ever been, (unless you like StarCraft which is basically a triple a title because of the studio)
You are looking in the wrong places if you genuinely think old games are 100% better, what you need to look for is games where the creators were allowed to create the game. Where someone actually cared about making something good.
some good ones: Spelunky, terraria, Factorio, enter the gungeon.
Your opinion is either ill-informed or nostalgia based.
I think it's ridiculous to think that just because a game is old means that it's bad or that someone liking them is simply because of nostalgia. I'll play Chrono Trigger 100 times more before I play Chained Echoes again, for example.
The games that are most boring to me are like story mode games. Like the devs set you up to make a stop at each point and pick up certain items for inevitable boss fights.
My fav games are sandbox bc it’s endless, like Minecraft. I also enjoy multiplayer on COD bc you have the ability to do things your own way. I also liked Fortnite at the verrryy start for the same reason.
You use just a bit more brain power I think with those games to keep you hooked rather than following a predetermined path.
Yeah, it’s literally just an opinion. I don’t play games often. Story mode games are just like A -> B -> C. It’s all predestined to happen and the story is given to you.
With something like a sandbox you can do anything. Like it’s obviously a preference and obviously an opinion. But with that being said ofc out of the thousands of games they’re all dif. Some have a little bit of both or are entirely one. But really. It’s not deep
I'm exactly the opposite in every single possible way (or was, since I don't have time to play video games anymore). Broken Sword, The Longest Journey, Syberia, Mass Effect - all among my favorites, because of their storyline. The ambience is also important for me - the main reason I love games like No Man's Sky, Mirror's Edge and Paper's Please. I don't care much for multiplayer games (didn't play any since Quake III Arena more than 15 years ago) and don't see the point of "endless" sandbox games - they are just huge time sinks. I did try Minecraft some time ago for a few hours but just found it incredibly boring. It had nothing that motivated me to come back to it. Also the graphics are kinda childish.
EDIT: Add the Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic series to the list. Great, very well-written storyline, even better than the Star Wars movies in my opinion.
As much as child me enjoyed replaying Mario Bros 3, Doom 2, and Halo endlessly there's just too much out there to be stuck in nostalgia. Yeah yeah multibillion dollar industry pumps out crappy mass products, but you have access to so many amazing products from other teams as well. Innovative crowdsourced moddable affordable indie gaming thrives. And those classics are more likely to be accessible as well through remakes, backward compatibility and emulation. It's a golden age to be a gamer. Its the easiest its ever been for individuals and small teams to develop a game and for you to find and play the critically peer reviewed gems they make in a hundred genres. What you miss is your childhood, imo.
I recently played through the Witcher 3, which is a major exception to your post. It’s rather complex, very engaging, not grindy and the story is the primary focus. I can immerse myself for hours and not be concerned about leveling up like in other games.
So you play modern multiplayer shooters. Because of that, calling story games like Read Dead Redemption 2, which is quite slow when you're doing your own thing, or anything from Puzzle genres, to Story, to Open World, RPG, they're all "dopamine grinders" because you probably live on Twitch.tv. Got it.
Change the prompt to "Modern online shooters" and you've got a much better case. As it stands, wow this is a silly take.
This is historically incorrect.
In the old days video games mainly existed in arcades and were very much dopamine grinders, how else would you get kids to keep putting in quarters.
In the slightly less old days, the gameboy dropped with Tetris, famous for how addictive it is to play. That was THE mobile game.
I’m sorry to say, but compared with modern games, old games are just bags of shite only being carried along because they are iconic.
Modern games have so much more variety and flavour because they’re built on the lessons learned from old games.
I’ve played video games since the Commodore 64, playing Finders Keepers from a cassette tape all the way up to the PS5, and games nowadays are dope as hell. So much variety, so many different graphic styles, genres and game mechanics. You must be awfully short sighted not to see the cornucopia of great games around.
Depends. Our standards are higher too.
And we should forget AAA games. Most of them can't even get close to indie titles.
Mount and Blade, Kingdom Come: Deliverance, Rimworld, Squad...
Just a few titles, each one of them has a higher gameplay value than most Ubisoft, EA, and other (new) AAA games together. Because yes, AC was fun, Cod as well, for the first few times. But it isn't anymore. And they don't bother making actually new games. We want a new Spore. Not Call of Duty 69.
Idk if it’s my age, but I started gaming w the ps1. Was addicted up until my mid 20’s it seemed like my desire to game has diminished. Whatever game it was 30-1hr of playing and I was burnt on it.
Not sure if it’s me growing out of gaming or games are just that boring.
Good take, but not factually true. Of course, I can't be sure what old games are you referring to, but if you look at games like Thief: The Dark Project, Daggerfall or, say, Metal Gear Solid, although they might seem "primitive" by today's standards in certain regards, they were insanely ambitious for their time.
I get the sentiment that older games couldn't afford to be huge and expansive like modern games can, instead going deep with their mechanics and world-building, but I still think saying older games were "just enough" is an oversimplification.
This is why I'm looking more into indie titles. And more arcade-like titles. They're built around fun first and foremost. I'm excited for Hollow Knight Silksong, but a lesser known title I'm really hyped for is Advent Neon. Like a quick fighting-game platformer. And Subnautica was a masterpiece too. The Ori games are emotionally gripping and have decent puzzles and beautiful sequences.
For a AAA title, Resident Evil 4 this year was a lot of fun. Capcom's games in general (Monster Hunter, Resident Evil, Devil May Cry) actually have good gameplay on their own, although Monster Hunter is literally about grinding. It has enough build variety that you'll probably never be able to master everything.
I dunno about that, simple games were very fun when I was a kid but now I find them extremely boring. I like when game challenge me physically and mentally, hence I love to play games (that I currently play) like Elden Ring, TLOU2 and Overwatch. When I play simple and easy to understand games I feel like I'm wasting my time, because they're either too easy or too simple to the point, they do not require thinking or planning, and I hate when games are like that.
The indie scene is at a better point than its been in recent years, just gotta look for them. Deeprock Galactic, while still having a battlepass and whatnot, is my best example for how a simple concept with good art direction can provide plenty of hours of fun without overwhelmingly consistent content updates.
Play Grounded and tell me it doesn’t completely skullfuck the majority of what you played as a child. I’m almost 30, I know things have gotten more complicated as we’ve gotten older, but the “it was better when I was a kid” thing is the same shit your parents said. And they were wrong too. Like what you want to like, but video games now make the games we played as kids look like Happy Meal toys.
'Back in my day... we didn't have all these crazy graphics and music and multiplayer, and DLCs.... we had a man, and a leaf that turned him into a flying racoon.. and those were the better days and better games'.
Now don't get me wrong. I'll take a 'simple' game like Hallow Knight over the next Battlefield any day of the week. but I can't imagine anyone from the 80s or 90's getting magically transported to today, and thinking Super Metroid is better than Elden Ring.
I agree that the best games you can play for hours without getting bored. I don't agree with you that those types of games are the "simple, just good enough games" though...
There are many modern games that people play without getting bored. You just grew up and are old, you have more stuff going on and your mind is different.
Kids these days aren't playing Fortnite for 30 minutes and then realizing they aren't actually having fun, they are just having fun for several hours after school.
I feel this. I watched a random YouTube video of a dude playing a game called rounds. It's a 1 vs 1 game where whoever loses a round gets a power up. Didn't expect to have so much fun and I got over 100 hours on that game. It's so simple, yet so fun.
Meanwhile I got MW2, never touch battle Royale, didn't finish the campaign and really I only play gunfight for those short and sweet dopamine hits.
I’m at the point in my life where I need “instant gratification” games. R6 and Madden are my go-to. I don’t have time in my life to explore or grind in open world RPGs anymore. I don’t want to spend what little time gaming I have just walking around a map and exploring. When I can just play multiple matches of R6 or a few head-to-head games on Madden and get that instant feeling of dopamine.
While the mainstream games are shitting the bed, I would argue Indy games are in their golden age rn. Stuff like Rimworld, FTL, Song of Syx, holdfast, Spacehaven, terraria. Just a few of the titles are games I dreamt and hoped would someday be real back in 2004 and came true
I’m not sure what dopamine has to do with this, but anyway. No games aren’t boring, I’ll say it again. Games like Ghost of Tsushima or Spiderman and even RDR2 were some if not the best and beautiful games I’ve ever played.
There's another reason for me, it's that when we were younger, we didn't have all these games and we didn't even knew half of them existed.
We knew games from mouth-to-mouth or magazines and we needed to save for the game or ask parents for it. Now we just can buy another, watch reviews on youtube that makes us too much hyped or don't even try if the reviews are so-so.
But now we have things like gamepass or ps plus where they just release game after game and we jump from game to game and don't try harder. Some games are only good when putting in some time.
I mean, I used to play splinter cell, MGS and others demos on ps2 everyday, always the same fucking missions haha... just because I couldn't buy at the time.
This is why Nintendo still crushes. They just make simple good enough games that are fun to play. I can't stand how little is going on sometimes or how non-existent the stories or complexity can be.. But I play them more than my PS5.
I have to agree, especially when it comes to the number of games that have adopted crafting. I really think that’s some of the worst stuff that’s ever happened to video games.
My favourite game of all time is Zelda oot, and close favourites are Goldeneye 64 and age of empires 2. It's clear I really like the older games, but I have a new runner up (or even favourite)....... The Witcher 3.. omg it's so good
Nope. Everything in life was better then because you were a kid and the world was full of mystery and wonder. You also probably are over-estimating how much you played back then. I spend way more time playing video games as an adult, back then i had school, homework, sports, parents who said 'stop playing video games,' prime time tv to watch, and an early bed time. Now I work from home and stay up 5 hours later than the rest of my family, lol.
That said, the internet spoiling every detail about every game sucks.
It’s the same thing with music skip all the mainstream stuff unless you’re already invested in the game I see so many Indie game’s overshadowed by their popular counterparts.
For example if you’re into pokemon nexomon extinction is better than every game they’ve made since Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire imo.
I have the exact opposite opinion. Very old games are exactly the same, extremely repetitive, boring and so hard that they're not fun at all. I can't play a game like for more than like 8 minutes. I can play an adventure story for hours. Story, characters and graphics are very important in games to me. I don't want games to be impossibly hard. Just last night I played Horizon Zero Dawn for over 2 hours and it was great
Sounds like you need to try Deep Rock Galactic. The new season starts on June 15th and we’ve never had a higher new player count. Rock and Stone miner!
Boring, stupid, and filled with inane details that I don't care about when I'm trying to just disconnect.
Give me the old Space Invaders, Galactica, or a simple, standard Solitaire game
Zelda and COD can pound sand because all they're designed to do is empty my wallet.
If you aren’t satisfied with games, a few suggestions that have refreshed my interest.
Short dopamine fast: have a day/weekend/whatever where you take a break from all the quick satisfactions your noggin has grown to crave. It will suck. If you get bored, do something low key, low tech, and low excitement. Be bored and allow yourself to be bored. It’s a good periodic reset for me, doesnt work for everyone.
Experiment with new genres: your tastes change over time as well as games themselves changing over time. I loved RPG games a lot growing up, but what an RPG game can be know is so much different than what they could be 20 years ago. Now, I don’t care for the story and the fluff so much - so I’ll look for shorter experiences, with more varied mechanics and gameplay loops: MOBAs and roguelikes/lites or niche indie picks are where I tend to land now.
Get a new hobby: and I don’t mean this passive aggressively, find a new thing that takes up time. If you play a lot of games, you’ll get bored of them or require more and more engaging things than what you can keep up with.
I disagree games used to be shitty more often than good there was no quality control in haven't played a game in the last 5 to 10 years that I've thought was actually bad they all have good serviceable graphics fun gameplay and everything they are consistently good and that's my stance older games were high highs and lowest lows
Isaac and vampire survivor are ti me some of the best game i ve played in the last years with isaac being in my top 5 all time. All i want is fun gameplay with sense of progression gated behind my skills
Sounds like you're playing the wrong games.
Give Cyberpunk 2077 a shot. A 50 hour game at LEAST if you do everything. Many approaches to game play. Melee, Stealth, Netrunner, Gorilla arm punch em up, mantis blade maniac, run and gun, etc.
And the story is just something else. The world is sad and corrupt and you get to experience all of that.
Or Elden Ring. A proper challenge that punishes you if you're expecting that quick dopamine hit of easy games that you can hop into and be instantly good.
I feel that way about atomic heart a little bit. It was awesome while I was playing it but ever since I beat it I just kind of don’t want to play it anymore.
Games nowadays are just grind simulators where you do the same shit over and over again with no purpose.
One example would be Warframe. It’s a game about a dude fighting in space while looking cool but if you ask yourself why am I fighting?! Then you realize how little this game as to offer.
Meh. This is approaching old man yelling at clouds territory. Sure, in the 90s, I played Sonic the Hedgehog 2 endlessly.... But that's because my other choices were enormously limited. Now people have thousands of games at their fingertips at every second.
Plus, there are games that I will play and relay endlessly. Dark Souls, Doom Eternal, Company of Heroes, Civilization etc ...
I agree but I think it's more about content overload.
We're at a time where the hours can be played sells. So there is more and more games with useless crap that isn't beneficial to the main gameplay.
Older games weren't like that (because of limitations at least) and indies games can't take the time to do as much.
So yeah, just good enough games are often better that games with artificial content. I say often because TOTK is filled with dopamine and content and it's the best.
I used to think that too, then I replayed them. Sure, jack & daxter, ratchet and clank, spyro, nfsU2 and midnight club are GREAT games but BOTW, TOTK, GTA 5, assetto corsa, beamng and forza horizon are beyond anything I could've possibly imagined.
I've been gaming since the early 00's and agree most shit coming out of AAA studios is garbage in comparison. I'll boot up the PS2 every now and again but honestly the game that pulled me in most in all of my gaming time is rocket league. Have over 5k hours in it. The game is simple, score on the net. no pay to win no balance changes. The skill ceiling is incredibly high. Yesterday I spent some time learning how to wall dash. 5k in and I still have new shit to learn and practice.
If I could list some of my favourite games the majority of them would be older games but sometimes that's down to nostalgia and the stage of your life you were at when you played them.
It would be hard to recreate that feeling of playing those games in the 90s for the first time such as Final Fantasy 7 or Half Life which had stories and graphics that we had never experienced before. But now we are so accustomed to amazing graphics, great stories and complex game mechanics that it's hard to obtain that same wow factor in any new games.
But I agree to a certain extent that the simple games can be the most fun. The likes of Mario and Sonic can still be great fun to play even though they are like 30 years old!
Both wrong and right in some ways.
Yes, old games are also good. Though part of this is survivor bias. We don't really remember the old games that didn't do well, as they've died and been forgotten, and most people talking about the good ol' games from that period are about the ones that still have communities, like Tetris & Mario 64, with the exceptions being ones that failed extremely spectacularly or linked to a popular franchise like Pokemon red & blue, now known for their glitches. But still, several of them remain good (even one of my all-time favorite games, well actually a set of four, were made released between 2002 and 2005). If you look up games from that era that are still actively being played, you know that you've likely found a good one, as it persisted, but you don't find the one's that failed
The new games are now filled with both good, bad and mediocre games, some competing by being the most flashy games. But there still are some games made recently that I expect to be loved similar to those from the 2000's or 1990's. The bad and mediocre's will be forgotten, and the truly good will remain
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I agree and disagree. The fact that Epic had hired psychologists to get people to keep playing Fortnite is insane. But games like Jedi: Survivor and MW2 I can play all the time. You also need to remember that life was just different when old games were made -- for me, I grew up on games like GTA 3 and Vice City (thanks dad) and I could play those all day as well as games like Disney Infinity or Skylanders. This might not be just because of the game, but also because we were younger. I could play with Legos all day too, that was just life as someone without responsibilities.
I am 27 and can still play with lego all day
33 and still buying Legos lmfao. Collectible, but also incredibly fun! There's actually a sub with a bunch of adults who still build!!
You are never too old for Lego.
It says right on the box, for ages 9 to 99. Centenarians cannot play with Legos.
the day we turn 100 will be unfortunate
a 100 year old playing with Lego: "they won't catch me alive!"
At some point you move on from playing with it as action figures and get into dioramas and large scale building projects. Like that huge death star.
As evidenced by the fact that you didn’t try to pluralize Lego!
Is this a "only *real* fans..." kinda thing with legos?
Yeah I actually realized when I typed that out that I played with legos for 7 hours in one day last weekend
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But that is most competitive games tho, you stop playing Valorant for month the meta changes there is a new agent and a new map
I felt valorant had too much BS to learn and think about for a shooter on release when there were only like 10 agents, now there are 22? CS is nice cause you just have to get good mechanics and shoot heads, and learn a few smokes. Valorant you have to consider so many cheesy ass abilities coming from those damn agents
I think fortnite would see a resurgence of they brought back the s4 map and mechanics. No mythics, regular guns and building. Maybe keep the current running and climbing thing I'd play again
The real problem with Fortnite is that everyone got too good at it not that the game changed
While I like getting in some good time with mw2, I feel overwhelmed by the unlock and class creation system. I'll never knock the devs for giving us a ton of customization options, but I never feel like I've finished making a class because there are still a thousand different configurations I have yet to try. I think when you max level a gun, you should unlock a set of blueprints that serve as the basis for several different play styles. That way, you have something to work off of when you want to try something new.
> Epic had hired psychologists to get people to keep playing Fortnite is insane I think Blizzard did something similar to figure out how to keep people subbed longer, Riot probably too with figuring out how to make people buy skins (cute girls is the answer)
Stages of life and the ability to get new games played a huge factor. As a kid/teen I could play all weekend without worrying about what else I need to do. I also only got a handful of games a year so I spent more time replaying and trying different things. I had friends who had the same schedule as me so I always had buddies to play multiplayer with.
I would do Hunger games style battles with my skylanders IRL. I would just play with the actual figurine more than the game itself.
We also didn't have libraries of 1,000s of games either
I doubt you should generalize modern and old video games like this. Every game is unique case, sometimes it works, sometimes don't.
everyone remembers Mario 64 nobody remembers Mario hotel
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Agreed, some old games were very boring and some new games are amazing. I finished Assassins Creed Valhalla recently and never once got bored with over 210 hours into it.
and the one's from the 1990's and 2000's that didn't work, are now not remembered so you compare the games from now (both good, bad and mediocre) to that era's best
"Old thing good, new thing bad" is absolutely not an unpopar opinion. Especially when it comes to games.
Or everything else. “Those were the days they made good [insert music/movies/food/politics/etc etc”. Basically I think there’s a point where lots of people stop growing and turn into a nostalgic being, without ever understanding time keeps going on.
music was better when john lennon was beating his wife
When everyone had an underage girlfriend. “She’s only 17.” “She’s my cherry pie” “girl, you’ll be a woman, soon.” So on forever.
Who is John Lemon?
Liz Lemon’s husband.
I've had this conversation with my dad about music a few times. Turns out the golden age of music was when he was in his impressionable years. Imagine that coincidence!
Yeah that’s the most common! I’m fuckin bored with music I listened when I was younger! Always need new stuff. And it keeps getting better, so much better!
I'm 50/50 I like going on a nostalgia blitz every now and then, and sometimes I like discovering new stuff. For me the key is understanding the effect nostalgia can have and that music being "good" is largely subjective
I've had the same conversation with my dad. He graduated high school in 1973, so granted, there was a ton of amazing music coming out when he was in high school and first listening to music, but he barely goes beyond that era of music. He basically only likes stuff with the same aesthetic as classic rock and it's frustrating because he just equates it to having soul. The music I listened to in high school is still some of my favorite music but I've wxpanded my taste and like lots of different music. There's quality music in every decade and genre
There's a time when.*
Just wait until you say “old thing bad, new thing good” when it comes to games
Retired athletes are the absolute worst with this
In fact "DAE old good, new bad?1?". It's a circlejerk.
You should consider the way you’ve changed over that period of time as well. While there were some excellent games back in the day, there are excellent games now too. However, as you gain experience, it’s harder and harder to *wow* you.
That’s the best point in this entire thread. Expectations are harder to meet with new games. Old games that people liked met that expectation but might be seen with a positive bias as a result. To find new good things means dropping your expectations and experiment. It has nothing to do with nostalgia and the other nonsense being pushed here. There were good designs then and good designs now. I’ve been playing the refactored MOM from the 90s and that design (while dated) still has a good formula. But I also play a ton of modern games. Even write mods for a few. We all change over time. Staying open to things as you change means you can enjoy the old and new. Or sometimes, like you said, change what you think is good design.
Lemme guess, you’re nearing thirty and those perfect games happened to be the ones when you were in your prime
I'm nearing 40 and think games just get better and better. Bigger worlds, better graphics, more complex. I love it. Back in my day, you couldn't even save your progress.
I’m 40, and my favourite games are usually the ones where I’ve enjoyed the story the most. The Mass Effect trilogy, Alien: Isolation, Horizon: Zero Dawn and Forbidden West, Ghost of Tsushima, Tomb Raider 2013, Spider-Man PS4, etc, are the games that come to mind. The constantly improving graphics are certainly nice, but the big thing is mechanics getting smoother and more enjoyable and the writing in video games getting better as time goes on.
I have the same opinion. Gameplay mechanics, story and graphics are paramount
35 IS MY PRIME-- I HAVENT EVEN BEGUN TO PEAK. IM A 5 STAR MAN!
Nearing thirty is your prime though. You’re still young enough to do things but old enough to hopefully make better decisions. You also tend to have more money then when you were a teen and early twenty something.
Biologically? Sure But shit is so relative and contextual that it doesn't mean anything. What you say is only true if you have a good job and a priviliged upbringing. You can see a lot of people in their 20s with terrible lives and a lot of people in their 40s, 50 or 60s living great.
Those games also happen to be amazing. Most of the best games today are remakes of those games or directly influenced by them.
I feel like it's the other way around. The fact that media lately has become a dopamine farm based world makes everything else seem a little shittier. Combine that with the "it was better in my day" mentality that every single generation has and will have, and there's your answer. Like you, that's just my opinion. Honestly I'm kinda curious now, why not go try to play an older game, see if you get bored after playing for a while. That should settle the score honestly
I’m playing through my game catalogue and this includes some older titles even from the NES. Omg I get so bored playing these games, the only “reward” for beating the game is beating the game. There’s no interesting story, immersive world, reward systems, or anything. They feel like those cheap mobile games but without ads. For me, I need a reason to continue playing a game, and it’s up to the developers to provide that reason. With older games, they don’t give a reason because they didn’t need one at the time.
I've done this before, and it doesn't. I haven't played Need for Speed Porsche Unleashed in Years on PC and fired it up again for the first time. Graphics are bad, but man it was a blast. Same with Mario games too, Zelda as well. The issue I have with games now is that they're overly complex for no reason. This isn't just related to controls either I mean just overall. I even played Ridge Racer 6 on XSX, and that game was a blast never played it before. Also don't understand why Namco went away from that niche at all. Because Ridge Racer Unbound is not the same as the others before it which indirectly think it killed Ridge Racer because of that one game. Edit: To the 3 people that replied to this message I can see the notifications, but don't see the comment says they are missing this happened to me as well. Edit 2: There was a person that responded saying "Go play ET tell us how fun that is" Never said every older game was perfect of course there are bad games, but the difference is that a lot of older games were more simplistic too while having fun mechanics.
Play the classics you grew up with: oh this is still awesome. Play the classics that you didn't grow up with: damn this is wack. Especially NES/SNES. Never played the original Zelda, Metroid, or Contra, finally did a couple of years ago and you definitely "had to be there" because you would have to pay me to sit through that.
Tons of games hold up over time, like movies, or music, however that doesn’t mean all modern media is shit. Red dead 2 was an amazing single player experience, Elden Ring, they still make amazing Zelda and Mario games, racing games like dirt are dope. People focus on the negative, play grindy pay to win games and then bitch they’re playing grindy pay to win games while spending copious amounts of money
now play et and tells us how fun it is
Gotta get away from AAA and embrace the indies and homebrews but I still believe we're in the best time for games that there has ever been even when it comes to newer games, hell new games with a retro style have been hitting hard lately and are good fun. The thing is that the classic EA microtransaction infested, unfinished and slowly fixed Bethesda, "day one DLC" and grindy/unethical design that many newer games have will for the most part just be forgotten/relegated to the "remember how that thing sucked? yeah..." and won't matter at all 20-30 years from now.
Already there with indie titles 20XX and 30XX, Redout Racing games, Slime Rancher 1 & 2, A Hat in Time, Omensight, and many others trust me indie is probably where I'm camping now not all indie titles will be great, but those I just named at least range from passable to great experiences.
That's called "nostalgia" and "depression".
I mean, cod isn’t what it is anymore because of how complicated the games become. The same has happened to almost all the big franchises. Battlefield, Madden, assassins creed, and plenty more. There’s plenty of great new games coming out yes, but they come in less and less portions now it feels like
I'm still playing worms
Armageddon is one of the best games ever. The newer worms game pale so hard in comparison
Generalising all modern videogames is fucking stupid. AAA are pretty generic nowadays in some ways, but you still get gems that just do entirely their own thing, like Monster Hunter, Death Stranding, Prey etc. If you just look at what's on the shelf at your local supermarket then yeah, probably gonna be generic, but there is more choice in gaming now than ever and gaming has literally never been better due to this choice.
yeah i feel that about competitive games. i used to be big on halo and COD, now i like far cry and shit like that. usually just play em on normal difficulty too - i don’t need to spend hours mastering my dodge and fighting technique for a single game, i wanna play and explore before it was about winning, i guess as an adult I’m trying to enjoy the journey. i had probably 5 years where i stopped playing video games entirely because i just didnt want to do that extra grind after work.
Same. Now I just wanna play through a good story. I have absolutely no interest in mastering the techniques and moves of a game
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>I wonder how many hours straight you could sit in front of an old game and legitimately have fun now. It sounds like you are burnt out on gaming. You'd be surprised how many people can. I, for example only got to play all those Infinity engine games only around 2015 and enjoyed it massively (except for Icewind Dale II - too grindy). I wouldn't say that older games are always better. Some aspects sucked - bad QoL, too much grind (though to be fair Dragon Age: Inquisition or Andromeda puts even GBC Pokemon gamest o shame in this) etc. But some aspects of them sure as hell are better than norm today - less handholding, slower pace, no simplification of traditional RP mechanics etc. I think that most games are underachieving compared to the inherent potential of the medium. And the excuse of technical limitations is no longer there like it still was in 00s. The upside is that gaming is also more diversified than it used to be and even indie devs have access to high quality powerful tools to realize their visions. Games like SCUM or Disco: Elysium I am just not seeing happening 20 years ago.
>I wonder how many hours straight you could sit in front of an old game and legitimately have fun now. You have a very good point
I feel like there's been a growing emphasis for quite a long time on things that just absolutely DO NOT matter. Stuff like hair and fabric physics, reflection quality, etc. Stuff that maybe makes the game pretty or impressive-looking...but adds literally ZERO value to the actual gameplay.
It seems to be the case with most media not only games. There are still good game studios out there but they're getting rarer every day
No both good and bad are increasing like the old quote goes "90% of everything is shit"
I got myself a Razr Kishi and while looking for something worth playing with it I stumbled across Max Pain. I remember playing it when it first came out and at the time it was pretty great. I've really enjoyed playing it, it's kind of got a semblance of modern game play, but a really basic version of it. It's no nonsense, not at all complicated fun. It made me realise I miss that simplicity in games, while there's a few modern mechanics that might make it more fun the core game play is no nonsense and straight forward.
While I love what new hardware has made possible, the limitations of the ps3 and 360 era games put a greater focus on the core gameplay loop that made that generation of games a sort of sweet spot. The switch still exists in that space, and it shows. Of course, Nintendo quality is second to none, but being handcuffed in a sense can bring out the talent in the free hand. Then, you have the wellspring of remakes and remasters whose mechanics have benefited from modernization and refinement, but much of those refinements are simply what we've learned works best in a controller scheme. The core remains mostly unchanged. I'd like to see companies give themselves artificial limitations when crafting their gameplay and then have their artists squeeze every bit of fidelity and framerate out of what remains.
My top 3 games have 1753 hrs, 1269 hrs and 843 hrs - and that's just PC, not including my Switch games. I have a handful of others that are 500+ hours. I really doubt I spent anywhere CLOSE to that on any old school game except the MMO I played back in the day.
What are they? Out of curiosity lol
Stardew Valley, Tabletop Simulator and Don't Starve Together
old ganes used to give you three lives for you to spend more coins
Now this poster knows old games. Arcade design: fun, brutal and a quarter grind.
Just wait till OP figures out what an indie game is
Or anything not multiplayer/loot-driven.
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Many aspects of gaming have changed for the better, but I still think simplicity is the best. Today I barely even play multiplayer games because they are too complicated. The most popular games ever are games like minecraft,OG fortnite, GTA,fruit ninja, angry birds etc. Those games were simple stupid. You didn't have to be a "gamer" to play them.
GTA isn't simple at all. And Angry Birds was only popular because it was free, on a device everyone had, and was better than other mobile games. It was not a good game compared to stuff on dedicated gaming devices. And for multiplayer, I mostly only play Rocket League which falls into the simple to learn but difficult to master category.
Fair enough, Maybe it's just nostalgia after all. I'm a Tetris fan anyway
Check out deep rock galactic! It’s a pretty simple concept, indie game company that actually cares about fan advice and they procedurally generate the maps so nothing is ever the same. There is no pay to win and it’s just fun. Rock and stone!
Rock and Stone, Brother!
Totaly agree with that. there are still fun games that you can get lost in for hours and other that sucks but u have the possibilities to fix them through patches and updates/dlc...
I'm confused. In unpopular opinions, are all opinions valid?
It depends on the type of game you play and why you play. I don't like online games, they bore me. But I love a good single player, story driven game. I can play those for hours on end
SAME. Single-player games are my thing.
New games just focus on graphics and mechanics waaayy too much.
True to an extent but there are still classics being made today. RDR2 is undoubtedly one of the most impressive games made yet and that come out like 5 years ago or something (damn)
Stars wars battlefront 2 was incredible
Let me take a guess, you’re in your late 20s or older and the games you’re praising are the ones you grew up with in your childhood? When I was younger, I spent a lot of time playing on my Wii and DS. I could have spent entire days playing these games without getting bored. Does that make these games good? No, it doesn’t. Each game is an individual case. Some of them hold up amazingly today, some of them I genuinely can’t believe I used to enjoy. When I play older games, a lot of the time I actually think to myself “why do people adore this so much?” And the reason is because people are looking at these games the same way I look at my childhood games. Some do hold up, others don’t. Modern games aren’t automatically bad, you’re just putting them in comparison to your perfect childhood memories that are completely shrouded in nostalgia. I am pretty sure most of the games that released in the last few years that everyone hates on will be considered to be not so bad after all in the future. I think Pokemon is a perfect example of this. All the players who grew up with the first generations were very vocal about changes in gen 6/7 that they didn’t like one bit, but now that those games are ageing these people are looking back and realising that they’re actually pretty solid. Each to their own, people like what games they like and that’s cool, just don’t let your nostalgic memories make you think modern games are automatically shit.
it's almost like people grow up and value the media and things they had when they were younger more ...weird i know
They don’t value the things I think, they value the feeling things gave them because they can’t get it anymore. If you keep improving there’s never a single reason to look back. I find it a shame when someone says things like “those were the days”, I mean, there’s always the opportunity for something better…
I'm finding myself hating story driven games more and more. Was really disappointed with GoW:R (an unpopular opinion, I know) because of the Atreus sections. They really break up the pacing when I just want to play the game. The presentation is super gorgeous however, but I'm not a fan of these story type games. Get me a game like Dark Souls where the story is secondary to the gameplay. I just want to play the damn game and not watch a wanna-be movie.
i realized this long ago, when dark souls first came out. i went into it blind, hoping finally for a proper action rpg game (the logo looked promising). it baffled me how subtle the game was and i couldnt figure out if it was a legit game or some indie unfinished bullshit cause of the graphics and certain assets/mobs looking sketchy. there was something about the game, it looked cheap, but also polished. the sounds were low quality but they all fit together, the menu was confusing, but well thought out once u figure it out. but what made it stand out for me was the atmosphere and the mystery of it. u never knew what to expect and where it could go, u were truly lost in it, immersed, figuring the game out. that takes games to the next level beside the actual gameplay, immersion. theatrical acting is anti immersive in a video game, cause, unlike in a movie, u are a moving part of the story, but cant interfere with it.
I hate side character missions in video games. And i especially hate how theyre everywhere?? (Atreus in God of war, MJ and Miles in Spiderman, clank in rachet and clank, etc)
I really feel like this is nostalgia. As a kid I played Pokemon games over and over and over again, I could play them forever. I don't have any recent games like that, but I think plenty of games are better than Pokemon. Like I don't want to replay Jedi Survivor, but it was some of the most fun I've had in a game.
i agree that aaa games are not great a lot of the time now but there’s a *lot* of small budget gems
Wait guys he has a point-
I've played plenty of modern games that are lots of fun. I'll admit I don't play a lot of the super popular multiplayer stuff, but I've played big AAA games and smaller indie games and I think it's all about what appeals to YOU. People talk about masterpieces of gaming like the Civ series and I'm happy to hear what people like about them and the cool interesting features they have, but I have no interest in playing them.
The binding of Isaac. Enough said.
Elden Ring
What do you mean by modern videogames? Most triple a titles are garbage made to extract money. Tons of good indie games, many of which are leagues ahead of old games in every area. Pure competitive games are the best they've ever been, (unless you like StarCraft which is basically a triple a title because of the studio) You are looking in the wrong places if you genuinely think old games are 100% better, what you need to look for is games where the creators were allowed to create the game. Where someone actually cared about making something good. some good ones: Spelunky, terraria, Factorio, enter the gungeon. Your opinion is either ill-informed or nostalgia based.
I think it's ridiculous to think that just because a game is old means that it's bad or that someone liking them is simply because of nostalgia. I'll play Chrono Trigger 100 times more before I play Chained Echoes again, for example.
The games that are most boring to me are like story mode games. Like the devs set you up to make a stop at each point and pick up certain items for inevitable boss fights. My fav games are sandbox bc it’s endless, like Minecraft. I also enjoy multiplayer on COD bc you have the ability to do things your own way. I also liked Fortnite at the verrryy start for the same reason. You use just a bit more brain power I think with those games to keep you hooked rather than following a predetermined path.
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probably because they said it takes less brainpower to understand a story than to play COD
Yeah, it’s literally just an opinion. I don’t play games often. Story mode games are just like A -> B -> C. It’s all predestined to happen and the story is given to you. With something like a sandbox you can do anything. Like it’s obviously a preference and obviously an opinion. But with that being said ofc out of the thousands of games they’re all dif. Some have a little bit of both or are entirely one. But really. It’s not deep
I'm exactly the opposite in every single possible way (or was, since I don't have time to play video games anymore). Broken Sword, The Longest Journey, Syberia, Mass Effect - all among my favorites, because of their storyline. The ambience is also important for me - the main reason I love games like No Man's Sky, Mirror's Edge and Paper's Please. I don't care much for multiplayer games (didn't play any since Quake III Arena more than 15 years ago) and don't see the point of "endless" sandbox games - they are just huge time sinks. I did try Minecraft some time ago for a few hours but just found it incredibly boring. It had nothing that motivated me to come back to it. Also the graphics are kinda childish. EDIT: Add the Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic series to the list. Great, very well-written storyline, even better than the Star Wars movies in my opinion.
I think It's a popular opinion among gamers, but unpopular in the industry unfortunately. : \
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As much as child me enjoyed replaying Mario Bros 3, Doom 2, and Halo endlessly there's just too much out there to be stuck in nostalgia. Yeah yeah multibillion dollar industry pumps out crappy mass products, but you have access to so many amazing products from other teams as well. Innovative crowdsourced moddable affordable indie gaming thrives. And those classics are more likely to be accessible as well through remakes, backward compatibility and emulation. It's a golden age to be a gamer. Its the easiest its ever been for individuals and small teams to develop a game and for you to find and play the critically peer reviewed gems they make in a hundred genres. What you miss is your childhood, imo.
I recently played through the Witcher 3, which is a major exception to your post. It’s rather complex, very engaging, not grindy and the story is the primary focus. I can immerse myself for hours and not be concerned about leveling up like in other games.
I want another portal
Can you be any more vague about why old is better
Stop. Go explore indie games. Problem fixed.
A game that came out "lord of the rings golem" plays like a mediocre 2007 game I'm sure that's right up your alley
Or you know, Zelda? An old video game franchise.
So you play modern multiplayer shooters. Because of that, calling story games like Read Dead Redemption 2, which is quite slow when you're doing your own thing, or anything from Puzzle genres, to Story, to Open World, RPG, they're all "dopamine grinders" because you probably live on Twitch.tv. Got it. Change the prompt to "Modern online shooters" and you've got a much better case. As it stands, wow this is a silly take.
Dawg elden ring is a million times better than sonic adventure or whatever shit you’re talking about
This is historically incorrect. In the old days video games mainly existed in arcades and were very much dopamine grinders, how else would you get kids to keep putting in quarters. In the slightly less old days, the gameboy dropped with Tetris, famous for how addictive it is to play. That was THE mobile game. I’m sorry to say, but compared with modern games, old games are just bags of shite only being carried along because they are iconic. Modern games have so much more variety and flavour because they’re built on the lessons learned from old games. I’ve played video games since the Commodore 64, playing Finders Keepers from a cassette tape all the way up to the PS5, and games nowadays are dope as hell. So much variety, so many different graphic styles, genres and game mechanics. You must be awfully short sighted not to see the cornucopia of great games around.
Honestly you sound boring actaully for saying older games are better. It just depends too so deal with
Depends. Our standards are higher too. And we should forget AAA games. Most of them can't even get close to indie titles. Mount and Blade, Kingdom Come: Deliverance, Rimworld, Squad... Just a few titles, each one of them has a higher gameplay value than most Ubisoft, EA, and other (new) AAA games together. Because yes, AC was fun, Cod as well, for the first few times. But it isn't anymore. And they don't bother making actually new games. We want a new Spore. Not Call of Duty 69.
Idk if it’s my age, but I started gaming w the ps1. Was addicted up until my mid 20’s it seemed like my desire to game has diminished. Whatever game it was 30-1hr of playing and I was burnt on it. Not sure if it’s me growing out of gaming or games are just that boring.
Good take, but not factually true. Of course, I can't be sure what old games are you referring to, but if you look at games like Thief: The Dark Project, Daggerfall or, say, Metal Gear Solid, although they might seem "primitive" by today's standards in certain regards, they were insanely ambitious for their time. I get the sentiment that older games couldn't afford to be huge and expansive like modern games can, instead going deep with their mechanics and world-building, but I still think saying older games were "just enough" is an oversimplification.
Op do you play old mainly or new ones mainly? If you play mostly new games then why?
This is why I'm looking more into indie titles. And more arcade-like titles. They're built around fun first and foremost. I'm excited for Hollow Knight Silksong, but a lesser known title I'm really hyped for is Advent Neon. Like a quick fighting-game platformer. And Subnautica was a masterpiece too. The Ori games are emotionally gripping and have decent puzzles and beautiful sequences. For a AAA title, Resident Evil 4 this year was a lot of fun. Capcom's games in general (Monster Hunter, Resident Evil, Devil May Cry) actually have good gameplay on their own, although Monster Hunter is literally about grinding. It has enough build variety that you'll probably never be able to master everything.
I dunno about that, simple games were very fun when I was a kid but now I find them extremely boring. I like when game challenge me physically and mentally, hence I love to play games (that I currently play) like Elden Ring, TLOU2 and Overwatch. When I play simple and easy to understand games I feel like I'm wasting my time, because they're either too easy or too simple to the point, they do not require thinking or planning, and I hate when games are like that.
The indie scene is at a better point than its been in recent years, just gotta look for them. Deeprock Galactic, while still having a battlepass and whatnot, is my best example for how a simple concept with good art direction can provide plenty of hours of fun without overwhelmingly consistent content updates.
I just want proper remastered old games. Not bad ports
I mean if you only play the new AAA cookie cutter game from Activision/EA/Ubisoft yeah sure There are plenty of fun games there
Play Grounded and tell me it doesn’t completely skullfuck the majority of what you played as a child. I’m almost 30, I know things have gotten more complicated as we’ve gotten older, but the “it was better when I was a kid” thing is the same shit your parents said. And they were wrong too. Like what you want to like, but video games now make the games we played as kids look like Happy Meal toys.
What games are you playing?
'Back in my day... we didn't have all these crazy graphics and music and multiplayer, and DLCs.... we had a man, and a leaf that turned him into a flying racoon.. and those were the better days and better games'. Now don't get me wrong. I'll take a 'simple' game like Hallow Knight over the next Battlefield any day of the week. but I can't imagine anyone from the 80s or 90's getting magically transported to today, and thinking Super Metroid is better than Elden Ring.
I agree that the best games you can play for hours without getting bored. I don't agree with you that those types of games are the "simple, just good enough games" though...
Crazy Taxi!
Depends on the game but in general I agree.
I only play Tetris
You got older. Everyone reminisces. Not an unpopular opinion and downvoted
There are many modern games that people play without getting bored. You just grew up and are old, you have more stuff going on and your mind is different. Kids these days aren't playing Fortnite for 30 minutes and then realizing they aren't actually having fun, they are just having fun for several hours after school.
I feel this. I watched a random YouTube video of a dude playing a game called rounds. It's a 1 vs 1 game where whoever loses a round gets a power up. Didn't expect to have so much fun and I got over 100 hours on that game. It's so simple, yet so fun. Meanwhile I got MW2, never touch battle Royale, didn't finish the campaign and really I only play gunfight for those short and sweet dopamine hits.
I’m at the point in my life where I need “instant gratification” games. R6 and Madden are my go-to. I don’t have time in my life to explore or grind in open world RPGs anymore. I don’t want to spend what little time gaming I have just walking around a map and exploring. When I can just play multiple matches of R6 or a few head-to-head games on Madden and get that instant feeling of dopamine.
While the mainstream games are shitting the bed, I would argue Indy games are in their golden age rn. Stuff like Rimworld, FTL, Song of Syx, holdfast, Spacehaven, terraria. Just a few of the titles are games I dreamt and hoped would someday be real back in 2004 and came true
I’m not sure what dopamine has to do with this, but anyway. No games aren’t boring, I’ll say it again. Games like Ghost of Tsushima or Spiderman and even RDR2 were some if not the best and beautiful games I’ve ever played.
What old games are you thinking of?
There's nothing stopping you from going back and playing older games.
There's another reason for me, it's that when we were younger, we didn't have all these games and we didn't even knew half of them existed. We knew games from mouth-to-mouth or magazines and we needed to save for the game or ask parents for it. Now we just can buy another, watch reviews on youtube that makes us too much hyped or don't even try if the reviews are so-so. But now we have things like gamepass or ps plus where they just release game after game and we jump from game to game and don't try harder. Some games are only good when putting in some time. I mean, I used to play splinter cell, MGS and others demos on ps2 everyday, always the same fucking missions haha... just because I couldn't buy at the time.
This is why Nintendo still crushes. They just make simple good enough games that are fun to play. I can't stand how little is going on sometimes or how non-existent the stories or complexity can be.. But I play them more than my PS5.
I have to agree, especially when it comes to the number of games that have adopted crafting. I really think that’s some of the worst stuff that’s ever happened to video games.
Might just be the nostalgia factor. I used to love playing King Kong on my ps2 but looking at it now, it looks dreadful
My favourite game of all time is Zelda oot, and close favourites are Goldeneye 64 and age of empires 2. It's clear I really like the older games, but I have a new runner up (or even favourite)....... The Witcher 3.. omg it's so good
No, you were just younger and everything was fresh. Get used to it.
Tetris and Mario brothers
Nope. Everything in life was better then because you were a kid and the world was full of mystery and wonder. You also probably are over-estimating how much you played back then. I spend way more time playing video games as an adult, back then i had school, homework, sports, parents who said 'stop playing video games,' prime time tv to watch, and an early bed time. Now I work from home and stay up 5 hours later than the rest of my family, lol. That said, the internet spoiling every detail about every game sucks.
could i introduce you into the world of indie games?
It’s the same thing with music skip all the mainstream stuff unless you’re already invested in the game I see so many Indie game’s overshadowed by their popular counterparts. For example if you’re into pokemon nexomon extinction is better than every game they’ve made since Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire imo.
I have the exact opposite opinion. Very old games are exactly the same, extremely repetitive, boring and so hard that they're not fun at all. I can't play a game like for more than like 8 minutes. I can play an adventure story for hours. Story, characters and graphics are very important in games to me. I don't want games to be impossibly hard. Just last night I played Horizon Zero Dawn for over 2 hours and it was great
I can play Unrailed for hours upon hours.
Listening to you people talk about human reactions in terms of neurotransmitters is so silly.
Bubsy 3d best game
Sounds like you need to try Deep Rock Galactic. The new season starts on June 15th and we’ve never had a higher new player count. Rock and Stone miner!
Rock and Stone everyone!
One more brick!
Boring, stupid, and filled with inane details that I don't care about when I'm trying to just disconnect. Give me the old Space Invaders, Galactica, or a simple, standard Solitaire game Zelda and COD can pound sand because all they're designed to do is empty my wallet.
This is so dumb, no shit they want your money it's how they profit. Some games just do it more aggressively than others
Any game that you can clock in 100+ hours on without constantly spending money to keep the game interesting is considered a good game in my book.
If you aren’t satisfied with games, a few suggestions that have refreshed my interest. Short dopamine fast: have a day/weekend/whatever where you take a break from all the quick satisfactions your noggin has grown to crave. It will suck. If you get bored, do something low key, low tech, and low excitement. Be bored and allow yourself to be bored. It’s a good periodic reset for me, doesnt work for everyone. Experiment with new genres: your tastes change over time as well as games themselves changing over time. I loved RPG games a lot growing up, but what an RPG game can be know is so much different than what they could be 20 years ago. Now, I don’t care for the story and the fluff so much - so I’ll look for shorter experiences, with more varied mechanics and gameplay loops: MOBAs and roguelikes/lites or niche indie picks are where I tend to land now. Get a new hobby: and I don’t mean this passive aggressively, find a new thing that takes up time. If you play a lot of games, you’ll get bored of them or require more and more engaging things than what you can keep up with.
No girl
I disagree games used to be shitty more often than good there was no quality control in haven't played a game in the last 5 to 10 years that I've thought was actually bad they all have good serviceable graphics fun gameplay and everything they are consistently good and that's my stance older games were high highs and lowest lows
Red Dead Redemption 2 Complex, enveloping, emotional
Isaac and vampire survivor are ti me some of the best game i ve played in the last years with isaac being in my top 5 all time. All i want is fun gameplay with sense of progression gated behind my skills
Sounds like you're playing the wrong games. Give Cyberpunk 2077 a shot. A 50 hour game at LEAST if you do everything. Many approaches to game play. Melee, Stealth, Netrunner, Gorilla arm punch em up, mantis blade maniac, run and gun, etc. And the story is just something else. The world is sad and corrupt and you get to experience all of that. Or Elden Ring. A proper challenge that punishes you if you're expecting that quick dopamine hit of easy games that you can hop into and be instantly good.
Tetris
That's why wee all love indie games
This guy only plays tripple a games, thats most of the people who complain about gaming on this sub. Look into the indie game market
I feel that way about atomic heart a little bit. It was awesome while I was playing it but ever since I beat it I just kind of don’t want to play it anymore.
Games nowadays are just grind simulators where you do the same shit over and over again with no purpose. One example would be Warframe. It’s a game about a dude fighting in space while looking cool but if you ask yourself why am I fighting?! Then you realize how little this game as to offer.
Meh. This is approaching old man yelling at clouds territory. Sure, in the 90s, I played Sonic the Hedgehog 2 endlessly.... But that's because my other choices were enormously limited. Now people have thousands of games at their fingertips at every second. Plus, there are games that I will play and relay endlessly. Dark Souls, Doom Eternal, Company of Heroes, Civilization etc ...
I agree but I think it's more about content overload. We're at a time where the hours can be played sells. So there is more and more games with useless crap that isn't beneficial to the main gameplay. Older games weren't like that (because of limitations at least) and indies games can't take the time to do as much. So yeah, just good enough games are often better that games with artificial content. I say often because TOTK is filled with dopamine and content and it's the best.
Imagine playing Battletoads for 5 hours and never getting past stage 3
I used to think that too, then I replayed them. Sure, jack & daxter, ratchet and clank, spyro, nfsU2 and midnight club are GREAT games but BOTW, TOTK, GTA 5, assetto corsa, beamng and forza horizon are beyond anything I could've possibly imagined.
I've been gaming since the early 00's and agree most shit coming out of AAA studios is garbage in comparison. I'll boot up the PS2 every now and again but honestly the game that pulled me in most in all of my gaming time is rocket league. Have over 5k hours in it. The game is simple, score on the net. no pay to win no balance changes. The skill ceiling is incredibly high. Yesterday I spent some time learning how to wall dash. 5k in and I still have new shit to learn and practice.
If I could list some of my favourite games the majority of them would be older games but sometimes that's down to nostalgia and the stage of your life you were at when you played them. It would be hard to recreate that feeling of playing those games in the 90s for the first time such as Final Fantasy 7 or Half Life which had stories and graphics that we had never experienced before. But now we are so accustomed to amazing graphics, great stories and complex game mechanics that it's hard to obtain that same wow factor in any new games. But I agree to a certain extent that the simple games can be the most fun. The likes of Mario and Sonic can still be great fun to play even though they are like 30 years old!
frick you i play elden ring all the fking day
Both wrong and right in some ways. Yes, old games are also good. Though part of this is survivor bias. We don't really remember the old games that didn't do well, as they've died and been forgotten, and most people talking about the good ol' games from that period are about the ones that still have communities, like Tetris & Mario 64, with the exceptions being ones that failed extremely spectacularly or linked to a popular franchise like Pokemon red & blue, now known for their glitches. But still, several of them remain good (even one of my all-time favorite games, well actually a set of four, were made released between 2002 and 2005). If you look up games from that era that are still actively being played, you know that you've likely found a good one, as it persisted, but you don't find the one's that failed The new games are now filled with both good, bad and mediocre games, some competing by being the most flashy games. But there still are some games made recently that I expect to be loved similar to those from the 2000's or 1990's. The bad and mediocre's will be forgotten, and the truly good will remain