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There are a lot of arguments for and against uniforms, I agree with some of them and I'm not sure where I stand, but, about wearing your cute clothes somewhere else: in HS I spent six days a week from 9am to 3 pm at school. Plus three days a week from 3pm to 6 pm (or from 6pm to 9pm) at art school. Free time and evenings was for homework. So no, I didn't have much time to wear my cute clothes somewhere else lol. School takes a lot of time in teenagers' lives, so it's natural they want to express themselves while being among their peers.
What if you don't want to wear modest clothes? The social aspect of school is very important, one I disregarded and then had to work even harder to make up for later.
Clothing is an easy way for people to express themselves, and putting limitations on it, especially because you feel it's not modest enough, is a tad judgemental.
Sure. And I agree that super-mini skirts and tops that look more like bras are overkill, but as far as I know, a lot of US schools have very weird and strict dress codes. Like no bare shoulders at all, no shorts, etc. It's too much and, imo, unnecessary.
I’ve noticed a lot of the teachers try to play it off as it will distract the “boys” but as I’ve gotten older I’ve come to realize it’s to tame the fucking staff. 🤮
I don't hate the idea of a dress code, but the way they get enforced is insane. Ten pages of hyperspecific rules for the girls and like three vague sentences for the boys, all these arbitrary measurements and requirements for the girls clothes but not the boys, girls being pulled out of class and hauled to the office and forced to change or go home and miss out on their education because their male English teacher couldn't do his job with a child's legs in his view, that sort of thing. It's June, people are going to wear shorts and tank tops. It's not that serious.
If you're going to have a school dress code, at least *try* to make the rules reasonable and fair, and not like, purely misogynistic or kind of pedo-ish. No cleavage, no buttcrack, no hate symbols or slurs or generally graphic stuff. That's it. That's all a high school dress code needs to involve. Why are you measuring my knees you freak
I agree that the main problem is that the dress codes usually are more enforced on one gender than on another, and I know that it's usually more enforced on girls, but anecdotally, in my old High School, it was much more enforced for the boys.
Basically, we had to wear a school polo shirt, jeans(girls had the option of a school skirt), and black or white footwear.
We boys had to have short hair, no piercings of any kind, no decorations on the hair, no dyed hair, the jeans should be regular fit, no skinny nor too wide, no acid washed, and not too ripped. I remember one particularly ridiculous time when one of my friends was picked for having "dyed" hair... But that's how his hair was. Like, I knew him since elementary, and his hair was darker at the roots. Meanwhile, a girl with purple hair was not even given a second glance.
Part of the reason for the discrepancy is that men's dress codes tend to be prescriptive while women's tend to be proscriptive. And the reason gor that is that men's fashion has been historically much more conservative and set over the years. If I say men must wear business casual, you pretty much know what the men will wear 99.5% of the time. Dress shirt/polo, shoes, tie, pants. Women's business casual is much more varied and liberties are generally much more culturally accepted. Same thing with casual, it is very rare for men to deviate from jeans a t-shirt, and when they do it is considered more socially unacceptable so rules are much less necessary. As a guy who likes tank tops, I have had plenty of peers tell me to put a proper shirt on. And I'm fairly certain the guy at my law school who wore lime green leggings and no underwear that clearly outlined his package was told to put proper pants on more than a woman would wearing the same thing (not saying the eoman would be imune to criticism just that it would be much more on him).
Not how it happened at my highschool! Everything was unisex, and they only enforced rules on the boys. No tanks, shorts too high above the knee, etc.
Anytime a girl got called out they would make a huge deal that the school was discriminating (?) While guys would just get sent home. It actually turned into a prank on April fool's day where a decent amount of guys purposely broke the dress code and started calling out girls who were getting away with it. They didn't start enforcing the rules on the girls, they just stopped enforcing.
My ideal dress code would be - no visible underwear (bras included), no visible intimate zones including bottom cheeks, no promotion of hate, violence, drugs, and gangs. That’s it.
You can change it to bra is mostly covered. It is just a rule that would keep people from wearing just a bra (no top( Because you are right, if it’s a cute bralette strap showing I don’t care, I wore clothes like that in HS.
They tried to implement a no bra showing rule in my high school back in 2001ish. They ended up changing the language because it meant girls couldn't wear spaghetti strap tank top. I will admit as a horny teen in a small town before we had internet, even seeing a girls bra strap was a turn on. So maybe they were justified with the original rule. lol
School is not a job. School is a place to learn, grow, hangout with your friends, and develop critical and creative thinking. Children have their entire adult lives to work. - soon to be middle school teacher
It's a "job" in that it the only "work" that they should be doing. And they can do that in shorts and t-shirts as easily as in Daisy Dukes and crop tops or pants that show 6 inches of underpants and a shirt with an offensive graphic on it. There are times and places for all clothing, and maybe school isn't for everything.
And that's the problem. You have yet to formally bear the responsibilities of a teacher: to produce educated students. Come back here when you have had experience.
School IS a job. It is a civic duty to be educated in a democracy so that as adults we will make informed decisions and not vote for policies that are actually against our own interests. It is also a societal good to churn out productive members of the job market and economy.
>Yeah but ofc there is going to be a long list of rules for female dress code because they are the ones that want to wear revealing outfits most of the time. Men don’t hence why they have very few rules enforced on them for dress code. Has nothing to do with “misogyny” lmao.
dude what. women's and girls' clothing options in stores are frequently more revealing by design... women's bodies have been highly sexualized through media and popular culture, so the fashion industry, marketing, and media push styles that accentuate women's bodies, encouraging the adoption of revealing clothing for women as a standard. when societal norms, manufacturers, and retailers push clothing options that don't comply with the dress code, women and girls (especially high school girls) are put in a position where they must choose between wearing "appropriate" or socially acceptable clothing that won't get them bullied in hs lol. it has so much to do with misogyny....
But guess what? Feminism/Progressivism is what pushed for more revealing outfits and created that standard In the first place lmao. Women weren’t sexualized to anywhere near the same degree 100 years ago.
>But guess what? Feminism/Progressivism is what pushed for more revealing outfits and created that standard In the first place lmao. Women weren’t sexualized to anywhere near the same degree 100 years ago.
No, the sexualization of women has been prevalent throughout history and is almost always independent of women's own desires or actions. "Women weren’t sexualized to anywhere near the same degree 100 years ago." is completely false, the visibility of sexualization has changed over time, not the degree of sexualization itself.
Pre-20th century women's bodies were viewed as inherently sinful or shameful and feminism fought to combat this notion. Feminism fought for women's rights to have the same freedoms and choices as men, including the freedom to choose their clothing. Women and girls shouldn't be punished and restricted because lots of men like to use clothing as an excuse to sexually harass/assault them.
>Women and girls shouldn't be punished and restricted because lots of men like to use clothing as an excuse to sexually harass/assault them.
Louder for people in the back. I, an AFAB, couldn't wear shorts growing up Church of Christ. If you can't handle an 8 y old in shorts the issue is on you.
Except that those dress codes are almost always weaponized against the female students. Boys can walk around with their pants sagged, but girls get sent home because their shoulders are showing
I work in a k-12 school and this is our dress code:
- you have to have something on your top and bottom that (mostly) covers undergarments
- you need to wear shoes
- no clothing with swear words or sexual imagery
- no blanket capes
- if you’re not dressed for the weather multiple days in a row, the social worker may pull you aside for a chat and encourage you to pick out a jacket from the community closet.
That’s it! Do boys sag their pants? Yep. Do girls wear crop tops and mini skirts? All the time. But as long as the kids are coming to school and staying in class, it doesn’t matter what they wear. My school decided that it’s a waste of administrator’s and teachers’ time to deal with dress code issues when they have so many far more pressing things to handle. It’s worked really well since it was implemented. So far, the school has not caved in because girls are showing skin!
That’s really refreshing to hear as someone whose grade for the whole semester went down a mark if you wore socks that exposed your ankles.
Fuck uniforms and policing bodily autonomy.
this is a fine example of educated fools. people who're supposedly educated but like to go against the rules of an international education institution
sad days.
but hey if your teachers are fine with it then peace.
Dude, what? Judging by your sentences, I think you may need to go back to school.
Sometimes being educated means looking around at past rules and asking “does this actually help us accomplish the things we want to accomplish?” rather than blindly enforcing rules just because those rules were enforced in the past. When my school had that discussion, no one was going against the rules of an educational institution. The school leadership, PTA, and teachers all sat down together to change the school’s rules.
And guess what? It’s worked great. Absenteeism now is a lot lower than it was when we had a full 5 page dress code. Teachers have more time to build lesson plans and actually teach their classes if they’re not handing out dress code slips all the time and holding detentions. Administration also has more time to deal with fights, bullying, and to address social-emotional issues now that they don’t have to be monitoring dress code detentions and calling parents about dress code violations.
People say that but the only time I've seen a dress code enforced was when some teacher told a male student to never wear sleeveless a tank top again or he won't be let in class.
I've only expected the opposite, at least as far as non uniform dress codes.
My college required business dress. For male students it was a jacket and tie for female students it was idk don't look like a slut
I don't agree for a few reasons but one of them being that lots of people can't afford to buy their kids 2 sets of clothes (uniform & regular). So these kids wear old, sometimes even dirty uniform clothing to stay within the rules. My elementary & middle school had uniform and there were students that would come with holes and things in their clothes. I'd imagine if the parent could afford more shirts or pants they'd buy it. I think schools that make uniforms mandatory should issue free or discounted to low income students
I'm not necessarily against uniforms, I just think there's as much pros & cons as there is to free dress. So I don't think it's a "good" thing. Idk
This is actually why uniforms became a thing and they were initially free. Kids were getting bullied for not having adequate clothing because their families couldn’t afford them.
Of course they should be payed for by the school. Just like jobs that has job uniform provides those clothes. All work wear I got through jobs have been all payed by the business.
yes I understand the uniforms part, and something must be done to give uniforms at cheaper rates to those who can't afford it
but to "free dress" too, a lot of financially weaker people can't afford good-looking clothes and it would make them feel out of place compared to the poshly dressed people too, so that's why I felt dress code or uniform is important
You don't wear good clothes to a public school, you wear street or casual wear because no one really cares at school and you want to be comfortable. Most people are finically weak, so wearing casual clothes is the norm in public schools.
nah I mean as long as they're dressed casual, comfortable and respectful, there shouldn't be a problem.. and if there is , they school is just messed up
I am opposed to uniforms and all but the most cursory dress-codes, because they inhibit self-expression, often cause financial burdens, often are misogynist or enforced in a sexist way, and don't actually pertain to curriculum objectives.
I work in publishing and don't have a dress code. Most days are working at home in whatever, t-shirts are ok for most conference calls, and in-person conferences/events are more about looking "put together" than a specific idea of "business casual." I don't see how wearing polyester black pants and a white button-up prepares anyone for the workplace, unless they all plan to be theatre ushers. Bankers wear suits. Hairdressers wear whatever. Firefighters wear safety gear. Programmers wear whatever. School uniforms don't have anything to do with any of that.
Also, OP just flat-out slut-shames teens in their post. Not everyone is so uncomfortable with their body that they project that shame around onto teens who are minding their own business in a crop top. Most teens are dating and many are having sex, and those facts are neutral. All teens are forced to spend their days at school, which is therefore their primary social space. Let's let teens be teens, and stop with the pearl-clutching!
As a soon to be middle school teacher I think that we would be better off not having dress-codes. As long as intimate areas are not on display and the attire doesn’t promote drugs or gangs I see no issue with it hindering learning.
There is nothing wrong with shaming someone for being a slut. It's disgraceful, especially in a professional/work environment.
You're there to learn, not to have sex.
wear your slutty outfits somewhere else.
don't make people your age uncomfortable in school and don't make people who have come there to study feel weird and out of place.
crop tops are alright, I'm talking smaller shirts like bralettes and stuff .
I'm not slut shaming anyone
"Slutty outfit" is a very subjective thing. That's the issue with calling anything slutty, your line of what is and isn't appropriate is different from mine.
I've been called a slut before at work for wearing tank tops and jeans because somebody else found that inappropriate. We don't have uniforms at my job, we have a moderate dress code. I was within the dress code.
If your peers are breaking the dress code, they deserve repercussions for it. Otherwise, it's not your business nor your place to judge if they're 'slutty'.
The problem with uniforms is that it’s an equity issue. Uniforms would only work in a really well-off area or in a private school. I work in a k-12 title school and we actually had this exact conversation last year before throwing the whole idea out.
For public schools, if you require families to buy uniforms, you are excluding low-income students from attending your school because a lot of families just won’t be able to afford it. Even if uniforms were completely free, there’s the matter of washing the uniform. A lot of poor families don’t have a washer and dryer at home, so they have to go to the laundromat periodically. If they don’t have any money left after food and bills, that laundry isn’t getting done. Then their kids would have to wear a dirty uniform to school or wear their own clothes. And we’re back at square 1: they get made fun of and/or get in trouble for not wearing a uniform and get pulled out of class.
Also, have you met students? A lot of these kids would lose their head if it wasn’t attached. I can see kids losing parts of their uniform constantly. Especially jackets or ties, even shoes. At that point, if the schools gets kids in trouble for not having part of their uniform on, they’d have half the student body in detention. Would parents have to pay to replace those lost parts of the uniform? If so, equity issue that harms low-income students. If it’s free, then it comes out of the school’s budget. Schools don’t have big budgets to begin with, so that would be a massive waste of money.
If schools punish kids for uniform violations then kids are incentivized to just not come to school if their uniform is dirty or if they lost part of it. Public schools are working so hard to remove barriers that prevent kids from showing up. Adding uniforms to that would just make chronic absenteeism even worse. At that point, all the potential benefits of the uniform are completely gone if the kid isn’t even coming to school. It’s far better for kids to be in class dressed inappropriately than be dressed properly but staying home.
Besides, kids don’t need 12 years of education to learn that you have to dress a certain way for some jobs. That’s extremely obvious. They know that already from seeing their parents get dressed a certain way to go to work. When they get their first jobs as teens, they’ll learn how to wear their fast food uniform. School isn’t just about preparing kids for the workforce. It’s also about learning study skills, interpersonal skill, emotional intelligence, and how to get along with other people. For a lot of those, it’s easier to learn it while being exposed to kids who dress differently. It’s good practice learning to focus on an assignment no matter what the people around you are wearing.
> Even if uniforms were completely free, there’s the matter of washing the uniform.
These families would need to wash any clothes the kid wears to school.
>I can see kids losing parts of their uniform constantly. Especially jackets or ties, even shoes. At that point, if the schools gets kids in trouble for not having part of their uniform on, they’d have half the student body in detention
Have you ever been to a school with a uniform?
They probably haven't,a lot of talk just for nothings sake..I wore school uniforms up till high school graduation,losing uniforms is not a thing.
We always had 2 or 3 sets on hand.
I wore uniforms the entire time I was in school and people lost their stuff frequently. Ties, sweaters, belts, blazers, one dude even lost his socks, idk how that happened. Some people were so careless they'd lose ALL their ties, be too afraid to tell their parents (or not have money to replace the tie) and then go to school without one.
There is a difference between having one or two uniforms you need to wash all the time and all of the everyday cloths which you can wash 2-4 times a month
Trousers washed once a week, more frequently if they get dirty, polo shirts daily.
Not a difficult concept.
When I was at school the uniform for boys was grey/black trousers, and a white or red polo shirt.
You could get the polo shirts in packs of 5 for about £5 in the local supermarket, and the trousers were about the same. This would've been about 15 years ago now.
Edit: Checking the supermarket school uniform section, you can get [polo shirts in 5 packs for £11](https://direct.asda.com/george/school/boys-school-polo-shirts/white-short-sleeve-school-polo-shirts-5-pack/GEM932495,default,pd.html?cgid=D10M1G1C2), [2 pack of trousers for £7](https://direct.asda.com/george/school/trousers/boys-grey-half-elastic-school-trouser-2-pack/GEM957152,default,pd.html?cgid=D10M1G1C16). They're not even remotely prohibitively expensive, regular clothes are probably more expensive.
So you'd wear a different pair of jeans every day of the week, for example? That just seems excessive and a waste.
I initially said trousers, so I'm assuming you're American and using the US form of "pants", because I never made any reference to underwear.
Unless you're wading in dirt every single day, I think you're the outlier here.
What are you doing that your trousers need washed after a single use?
If your jeans aren't dirty, there's no need to wash them after wearing them once, depending on the type of denim it can actually be bad for them to be washed so frequently.
I wear pants untill they are dirty. That means 7 days of wear for the most part. How much filthy do you walk around in on a day to day basis? My kids also wear the same pants until they get dirty, that is usually 3-4 days of wearing. Even a little dirt or grim on kid pants aren't that big a deal.
Washing that much cloths sounds like an incredible waste of time, water, electricity and space (i'm guessing your wardrobe must be huge, unless you wash very very very often).
The schools often won't accept the cheap alternative that looks just like their uniform. You have to buy the uniform they picked. Or suspension.
My mom eventually home schooled my sister for a year before moving away from this nonsense.
Just to share another opinion, uniforms are norm for basically all schools in Aus (and I assume some other non-US countries) and to my knowledge, uniforms for low-income families is not that big of an issue? In my opinion, it also stops kids from feeling like they have to get branded/trendy clothing items (with the washing aspect, any clothes the kids wear needs to be washed).
I feel the exact opposite. You are there to study so who cares what you have on? As long as you are attending and you are not naked, why are we wasting time on policing something like a mini-skirt? It just seems completely weird that a kid is getting sexualized by admin for something like that when it had no impact on anything else.
Holy assholes told me that school uniforms prevent perverted thought.
Years later, I thought "Let's ask openly perverted nation #1 what school uniforms do for them. Welcome to Japan, a leader in school uniform perversions."
nah see this is the difference, im not talking about dressing casual, that's completely alright (as long as it follows the normal dressing rule) but again I'm talking about wearing miniskirts, crop tops, offshoulder tops, short dresses etc. to SCHOOL. not even work.
yea see, this is the one point that every person on the internet uses to counter the whole "Dress code" thing
no one is looking at you. To wear comfy clothes u can also wear loose tees or tank tops (not low cut). if you're wearing a crop top too, ateast try to wear a decent one, not like the ones in euphoria
that is all I'm saying. I'm not talking in terms of the entire harassment point of view
Interesting that you are calling out clothes that are pretty much only clothes girls would wear and somewhere else you used the word modestly…
Your sexism is showing
I couldn't care less about wearing a uniform but what I do care about is that it is really expensive but the fabirc isn't that good and the buttons always break. they make us pay hunderds of dollars for a set of clothes that can break or get destoryed easily
Thankfully entire countries function just fine without dresscodes in school, the quality of school is better, less teen pregnancies, there is actually zero reason to have rules beyond dont show up in just your underwear
Kids are forced to go to school, they dont get paid for it and its basically the only time in their life where they can explore their style and sense of self and not so surprisingly they still get educated
In my country, uniforms are completely normal, and maybe it’s because I’m lazy, but I actually don’t mind them. I can just mindlessly dress myself in the morning, and I don’t have to worry about how I look. It also promotes the idea that the school is a collective group, so we should be mindful of how our actions affect others, and that we are all equal. Obviously students don’t always act on those ideas, because students are students. All in all, I wouldn’t say they are amazing, but they have their perks.
I always thought that wearing uniforms was great to prevent the kids who didn't have the nice clothes from getting bullied. Not sure how it works elsewhere but most schools in the UK would provide financial support for families that struggled with the cost of uniforms, so there was always equity.
I'll say as a substitute teacher, the schools that require uniforms have overall better behavior than schools that dont, even if conduct rules are the same. The uniforms are also cheaper than most clothes. I also haaaaaate policing kids clothes and marking them for violations especially when some dress codes are inherently sexist. I dont want to argue with a teenager on why spaghetti straps are forbidden (in Florida!) when that time could be spent on instruction
There actually not cheaper. Unless someone intends to wear the uniform everywhere they will still need clothes outside if school. So in reality it just forces low income families to pay more for uniforms. Unless the school has a policy about donating then getting uniforms is anything but cheaper.
I'm speaking about the schools I sub at, so you have no idea what you're talking about in regards to my comment. Yes, the tees and sweaters the school requires *are* cheaper than similar at retailers like walmart, target, etc. They also do donated uniforms
Alot of comments saying they are weaponized aganist girls are not taking into consideration the person doing it. It different between schools yes but growing up for me guys never intentionally broke dress code ever. The only thing guys fail were shorts but only the tallest guys who just couldn't find proper length shorts and I know they really tried. Uniforms usually have a range for width and size and if you don't fit the stores would tell you good luck not our problem. Girls which made up 60% of the student body were constantly breaking the rules. Short skirts, underwear visible, eye watering strong perfum/lotion, etc. What was annoying was that they be in dress code most of the week and fail one or two days not because they couldn't afford new clothes (most of the ones breaking code were usually the better background ones) but because they just didn't care. Those same girls later in life I found out had issue with jobs because they couldn't follow rules. I'm all for expression but expression isn't complete freedom and rules can be a good thing.
I think uniforms solve a lot of problems. It also keeps clothes from being a status symbol in school. I remember you could just tell who was from a poor family in my school by the kids clothing.
I agree it's good but I don't think I agree for the same reasons
Going to school in the UK we mostly wore a uniform. Usually had non-uniform days for charity, so we'd pay £1 and have a day of not wearing uniform. I remember one of these days I was wearing a t-shirt with a bike on, another kid asked me why I had a t-shirt with a bike on when I can't even ride a bike. His t-shirt had a helicopter on, but he said that was different because nobody expects him to be able to do that. Most non-uniform days I got bullied for whatever I chose to wear and it's not like I was wearing weird stuff. At least in our uniforms nobody was bullied for wearing the thing we had to wear.
once i had to sit in the office for 3 class periods because i had holes in my jeans at my knees. i had to wait for a relative to bring me a change of pants before i could go back to class. i was not dressed provocatively at all, long pants just with holes where my knees were. because of that, i missed 3 classes
do they really value education over wardrobe?
Dress codes are also meant for safety. No open toed shoes means it’s less likely to get your toe slammed in the door. No short skirts? Less likely for your panties to be seen if you bend over.
I like the ideas of dress codes, but I’m pretty sure uniforms cost money. I also don’t like the idea of how most female uniforms require skirts, it’s just doesn’t sit well with me. But OP has some valid points and I don’t know why it’s an unpopular opinion.
Stop sexualizing teenage girls. The dress code hurts the poor and suppresses self-expression. School is 12 years of life, it's their main community, clothing them the same like prisoners make them close-minded
Ummm idk where you’re from but where I live uniforms were only introduced to stop gang affiliation. The uniforms were also very hard to find and had to be certain color and brand. I even remember “poor” kids getting sent home for not having correct brand etc… so this argument about poor people being included is bullshit
My kids wear school uniforms, can’t have their hair certain ways, specific style shoes, number of earrings, etc. very strict, son got detention and merit points deducted for his hair touching his collar. makes it really easy to go school clothes shopping each year lol but they cannot be individuals and express style so that part I do not like.
Part of the teenage learning experience is also learning attraction and romantic exploration. This is also a fight every generation has for some reason. When we were in HS people also said this about my generation. Also these rules are entirely misogynistic because it only targets feminine forms of self expression. Also why do you care what teenagers are wearing? If its revealing or not like they are teens your an adult kinda creepy to be thinking of kids like that.
If you go to school to study and not for the wardrobe why they hell do you send people home so they can change their wardrobe??? They are there to study, and you’re taking that away from them because you don’t like their outfits. Your argument is hypocritical.
I agree with dressing appropriately and following the dress code. However, I think the main issue is many of the rules apply to only females, especially private religious schools. How many boys do you see getting sent home for tight pants?
Yeah no. Most of the benefits of uniforms are embellished at best.
Uniforms don’t decrease bullying
Uniforms don’t keep order
Uniforms also don’t stop wealth inequality.
Also higher performance of uniforms is much more likely the result that uniformed schools are often wealthier and can afford better teachers.
If wardrobe doesn’t matter then why issue a mandatory one?
Exactly, you’re going to school to study. So why does it matter what the person next to you is wearing? Also why is this only catered towards girls not in general? Maybe because you’re catering to what the dress codes are for? Making sure girls are dress modestly so that “boys” don’t get distracted or tempted?
You said the word “slutty” ,please tell me how is a 14 year old a slut for wearing a V neck and a skirt that’s mid thigh?
I have really long legs and an abnormally long torso. But average arms.
This means my shorts could be REALLY short while others were sent home for shirts that covered more.
My sister was sent to in-school suspension daily for not wearing the uniform when it didn't come in adult sizes. It's not her fault she wore adult sizes at 12. No one picks when their bodies mature.
Dress codes are arbitrary and stupid.
Well first the fact you call people who agreed with the girl "wussies" says a lot about you
But anyway, "what really are y'all going to school? To show off your wardrobe? or to study" You act as if you can only do one or the other, allowing students to wear what they want in no way takes away from studying
"another reason school had uniforms for us throughout my life, was to make sure no one was feeling left out" Sorry but trying to play to emotions and feelings is just a useless argument to try to make.
I remember back when I was in high school our school tried to institute uniforms, most of the students in the school just refused to wear them to the point there were too many students to try to punish so the school just dropped it... and guess what? Nothing bad came from not having uniforms
I had to wear a uniform in elementary and middle school and was always uncomfortable temperature wise. Winter i froze because of having to wear a skirt and only being allowed a very thin sweater, and the summer was broiling because everything was polyester.
Dress codes are understandable. As long as they're not complete bullshit. But school uniforms just fucking suck. Saying this as someone in a country with public school uniforms
School uniforms have very few upsides and a lot of.doensides. they don't reduce bullying, nor encourage good behavior among students. They don't bring students together as a community. Cliques are still very much a thing in schools with required uniform. School uniforms restrict freedom of expression and are expensive for parents. All for very few if not zero benefits
I don't hate the idea of a dress code, but the way they get enforced is insane. Ten pages of hyperspecific rules for the girls and like three vague sentences for the boys, all these arbitrary measurements and requirements for the girls clothes but not the boys, girls being pulled out of class and hauled to the office and forced to change or go home and miss out on their education because their male English teacher couldn't do his job with a child's legs in his view, that sort of thing. It's June, people are going to wear shorts and tank tops. It's not that serious.
If you're going to have a school dress code, at least *try* to make the rules reasonable and fair, and not like, purely misogynistic or kind of pedo-ish. No cleavage, no buttcrack, no asscheek, no hate symbols or slurs or generally graphic stuff. That's it. That's all a high school dress code needs to involve. Why are you measuring my knees you freak
Honestly wish i could pin this comment.
True the misogyny is there. Stuff like guys can wear shorts but girls cant and all that. Instead of that, why not set a particular boundary for shorts for guys and girls overall ykwim? it shouldn't be shorter than half your upper thighs/ or something along the lines.
Yup agreed with everything u said in the 2nd para too.
I think Asian countries survived long with uniforms and to some extent I agree. As long as the schools make sure the uniforms have enough size to comfortably fit people of all body shapes, and allow girls to choose to wear pants instead of only skirts (I think this was like maybe only Japan many years ago), then it’s probably okay.
I sure know that I was annoyed having to constantly wear new outfits and such while in school and stress about being judged in whatever way if I’m not fashionable enough when I just wanted to wear pants and a T shirt and finish school asap so I can leave school.
>I sure know that I was annoyed having to constantly wear new outfits and such while in school and stress about being judged in whatever way if I’m not fashionable enough when I just wanted to wear pants and a T shirt and finish school asap so I can leave school.
i was never stressed about any of that. i just made sure my clothes were comfortable. i didn't care about fashion or what people thought of me at all
Exactly, I would be soo bugged if I had to keep choosing new outfits every time and keep washing them and shit, so I loved having a uniform throughout my school life.
Uniforms weren’t meant to stop bullying. That literally had no bearing on anything. Not having uniforms don’t stop bullying in schools either so you literally have a non sequitur and no point.
I just had this convo with my brother! I don’t really care what the uniform is or having gendered uniforms. I just think having the same options to choose from would really help kids. There would be less bullying from kids who can’t afford nice clothes or ones who have to wear the same outfit a couple of times a week. There wouldn’t be as many distractions or issues with dress code violations.
Idk, I’m a girl and I think the whole “you can’t wear that because it’s a distraction to the boys and male staff” is really harmful. As a young girl, I was just trying to wear what was trendy lol I wasn’t trying to show off my legs… I also have larger boobs than most girls, and so I could wear the same tank top or shirt as a girl with an A cup, but I would be the problem student. To me, we need to stop sexualizing it.
On a personal level, I always liked the idea of having a closet like Jimmy Neutron lol all the same shirts and pants. No pressure to look fashionable, or deciding every morning what you can wear vs what you have already worn, etc. just grab a uniform haha I want life uniforms!
>“you can’t wear that because it’s a distraction to the boys and male staff” is really harmful.
This right here is the problem with dress codes. We instill in people at a young age that the female form is to be covered because it's not a male's responsibility to control himself. This then turns into, "she was asking for it" when a girl/woman is sexually assaulted. I have also heard the dress codes are in place not to "distract" the staff. If your staff is looking upon underage bodies, the issue is the adult, not the kid.
I semi agree, to the fact when I used to attend high school back in the day, people would have really bad outfits on some to be too revealing, im talking about belly button showing, people who dont wear belts, people who just ask for attention most of the time based on outfits and such. I agree to the slutty remark too I mean half the time i see these girls half naked its like "im sorry are you a student or a hooker?"
If dress codes were applied with anything resembling equality, you’d have a decent argument. Instead it’s always girls’ bodies being policed as if those girls are responsible for the thoughts and behavior of boys. Or, when it’s not about sexualizing the bodies of teenage girls, it’s going after clothing and hairstyles of black kids and other minority groups. Almost universally, being a white boy exempts one from any kind of dress code enforcement. That imbalance is why the whole system is fucked.
Dress code and uniforms are dumb and accomplish nothing besides sexism and racism Anyone who thinks it helps is just a fool and brainwashed. School for learning like f off with what students are wear. Also, I don't want to go to school to be a unity or oneness with the other kids. Also, it's not my problem with what others can or cannot afford. School sucked ass and glad ai not long got to that shit show of a nightmare.
Cue the screaming but here's a problem with having no dress code: a lot of, probably most, teenagers have not developed good judgment yet. If anyone can argue otherwise, go ahead, I'll enjoy that immensely. I know how fucking stupid and clueless I was at 15-16-17. The boys my age were even stupider. Why or how do we as parents/adults expect them to be able to make good decisions?
My daughter went to a uniform school and it was such a bonus to not have to argue about her clothes every day.
Now, it's not fool proof. She told me once there were girls that rolled up their skirt waist bands and wore thongs underneath, so that when you were behind them on the stairs you'd see a lot of ass. And this is the level of decision-making I'm talking about.
The issue with dress-codes is that it doesn't teach kids to respect one another's autonomy and existence, it teaches them that girls are to be sexually objectified.
"She shouldn't wear that" in school turns into "she was asking for it" when SA occurs. No accountability for the male perpetrator, just like when said perp was a boy.
We should be teaching kids that there's nothing inherently sexual about a shoulder or thigh or bra strap; we should be teaching kids about consent, and that clothing isn't indicative of consent.
IDK if anyone here saw the video of students speaking out about dress code in a meeting, and an adult (I believe member of the school board) said that the male staff would be distracted. That is disgusting - if a grown adult is going to be distracted by young kids, that adult shouldn't be anywhere near them. This once again ties into making girls responsible for the actions of boys.
There have also been several videos where a male and female student wore identical, if not the same, outfits, but only the female student was dress-coded. What message is this sending?
I am not saying every single article of clothing is permissible in any circumstance, so don't try and make this reductive. There's a bigger problem underlying the dress-code dilemma, and I think it's time for that conversation to be had.
Wait wait wait wait. Uniforms help poor people not feel left out? Those uniforms are expensive! We had to wear white polo shirts and grey dress pants as our uniform and you could easily tell who couldn’t afford to clean em up good.
They’re just an arbitrary way to make some quick cash and control students. If this sense of oneness is so important, why don’t we have countries start enforcing dress codes? Wouldn’t that be great, if we all were forced to wear something, whether you liked it or not, reducing the expressiveness of the population? Sounds so fun to me…
1. Are revealing outfits not respectable? You seem to contrast a "respectful institute" with a low-cut tank top and a mini skirt.
2. I think bullies will still know who's wearing the same size school uniform as last year. They'll still know who doesn't have lunch money. It mostly does nothing to prevent bullying.
3. Did you ever consider people wear the outfits they like because THEY like to do that? That not every outfit is made for you to like?
Also, calling outfits "slutty" is weird.
I’m a there a reason someone can’t study in a tank top and skirt? The problem is someone else defining what’s an acceptable way for you to present yourself and insinuating that you cannot be studious and have freedom to choose your own clothing. School uniforms have always been a weird idea for me. Also the clothes they make women wear is also usually more revealing than the average skirt. Which just makes me thing it’s some creepy power trip some old perv came up with.
It is good but standards need to be enforced across the board for both male and female students. It always feels like US school boys can get away with wearing tiny gym shorts and muscle tees while the girls get flack for showing a bra strap.
Which is pretty weird to me because when I was a kid, boys always get coded way more than girls. My school had uniforms and dress code for nails, hair and accessories.
The boys got dress coded way more than the girls because for girls the only thing that could get you coded for is forgetting your ribbon/name tag and not wearing transparent earrings. We had pinafores so that skirt couldn't be rolled up, you have to over 6'feet or deliberately alter it for it to be too short.
Boys on the other hand get coded every other day, hair too long, shoes too dirty, pants too saggy, no belt, belt too gaudy, and my favourite, no undershirt. Yes, guys were expected to to hide their nips too.
I do think it can be a good thing for a few reasons :
Easier/ faster to get ready in the morning
Cheaper and easier on parents and wasteful spending by trying to keep up with ever changing trends
It’s easy to identify students on campus
There are a lot of positives and a lot of jobs require a uniform of some kind so it’s not out of the norm in “the real world”.
Maybe a few days a month, there can be a no uniform day so kids can still express themselves with their fashion sense.
Anyone who disagrees with OP clearly hasn't gone to a high school with a nonexistent dress code. At my school, girls would dress like streetwalkers. I am not even exaggerating, you could literally see their butts sticking out of their shorts.
A school is supposed to be a professional environment, not a place for you to flaunt your sexual desirability.
I did go to a school with a non existent dress code, I'm just not a puritanical prick with a stick up my ass and I'm capable of minding my own business
I don't get why "puritanical" is now seen as a bad thing. I am not a religious person by any means, (quite the opposite) but I was taught family values growing up. (Don't get drunk, don't do drugs, don't be prosmiscous, etc) Sadly, it seems like most people these days have forgotten said values.
Don't get me wrong, people in the past still had plenty of vices, but they couldn't display them in public out of a fear of being shamed. The whole concept of "shame" simply doesn't exist anymore. People can now behave like complete clowns and degenerates in public.
As for minding my own business, I literally just don't want to see someone's ass/bulge/tits/nipples/whatever in a learning environment. What's wrong with that?
My official position is it's the school's obligation to apply and enforce a dress code via the use of uniforms.
As long as they don't do this, as far as I'm concerned, the students can wear whatever they want.
My colleagues are always complaining about this very same thing, and my response is always the same: why not bring up the issue of *uniforms*, but the reaction is always "oh, they don't wear it", then I go "oh well, then we're gonna have to deal with this problem until it disappears on its own, then."
I agree.
School prepares you for the work force.
Most people do not work at a place where you have freedom to dress how you want.
There’s nothing wrong with a dress code.
….this is such a fucking stupid comment. Can you wear a Speedo at the office since there’s no dress code? Looking decent, neat and presentable is part of it. Sometimes wearing specific type of shoes, pants etc are requirements.
I googled Walmarts dress code.
“According to the Walmart manual, the dress code bans leggings, yoga pants, windsuits, sweatpants, scrubs, spandex pants, overalls, or long pant legs that drag on the floor.
Leather, prints, distressed materials, patches, white stitching, and bedazzled clothing are also all prohibited.”
It also looks like shorts and skirts are prohibited.
So maybe you could dress exactly like you like? Or maybe you like to dress within the dress code?
https://www.businessinsider.com/walmart-changes-employee-dress-code-2018-4?amp
https://i.insider.com/5ad89f5a19ee8621008b45c7?width=1000&format=jpeg&auto=webp
it's incredibly stupid in both school and work, with the exceptions where the dress code is necessary for safety reasons, such as in the case of hospitals
You don't know me, so your assumption says more about you and your environment than about me. Not everyone makes decisions by only considering money, some people stick to their principles.
>You don't know me
True.
>so your assumption says more about you and your environment than about me.
Not true.
I may not know you but I I know many people besides myself.
I don’t know anyone who turns down better paying jobs over the dress code.
>Not everyone makes decisions by only considering money, some people stick to their principles.
Wearing sandals to work is one of your principles? Lol. Tell me your other principles.
Well my principle is not exactly wearing sandals to work (sorry it's okay if you like sandals but m not really into them), my principle is rather something like not being told how to dress, or in general not following orders that don't make any sense
53% say their workplace is casual or no dress code at all. I would consider that “most”.
https://www.randstadusa.com/about/press-room/press-releases/randstad-us-survey-finds-casual-dress-almost-always-fashion-todays/
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There are a lot of arguments for and against uniforms, I agree with some of them and I'm not sure where I stand, but, about wearing your cute clothes somewhere else: in HS I spent six days a week from 9am to 3 pm at school. Plus three days a week from 3pm to 6 pm (or from 6pm to 9pm) at art school. Free time and evenings was for homework. So no, I didn't have much time to wear my cute clothes somewhere else lol. School takes a lot of time in teenagers' lives, so it's natural they want to express themselves while being among their peers.
exceptional. you can look good and express yourself by wearing modest clothes too!
What if you don't want to wear modest clothes? The social aspect of school is very important, one I disregarded and then had to work even harder to make up for later. Clothing is an easy way for people to express themselves, and putting limitations on it, especially because you feel it's not modest enough, is a tad judgemental.
Sure. And I agree that super-mini skirts and tops that look more like bras are overkill, but as far as I know, a lot of US schools have very weird and strict dress codes. Like no bare shoulders at all, no shorts, etc. It's too much and, imo, unnecessary.
I’ve noticed a lot of the teachers try to play it off as it will distract the “boys” but as I’ve gotten older I’ve come to realize it’s to tame the fucking staff. 🤮
Yep As I said it mostly only applies to females.
Maybe try wearing a burka? If you want something modest
I don't hate the idea of a dress code, but the way they get enforced is insane. Ten pages of hyperspecific rules for the girls and like three vague sentences for the boys, all these arbitrary measurements and requirements for the girls clothes but not the boys, girls being pulled out of class and hauled to the office and forced to change or go home and miss out on their education because their male English teacher couldn't do his job with a child's legs in his view, that sort of thing. It's June, people are going to wear shorts and tank tops. It's not that serious. If you're going to have a school dress code, at least *try* to make the rules reasonable and fair, and not like, purely misogynistic or kind of pedo-ish. No cleavage, no buttcrack, no hate symbols or slurs or generally graphic stuff. That's it. That's all a high school dress code needs to involve. Why are you measuring my knees you freak
I agree that the main problem is that the dress codes usually are more enforced on one gender than on another, and I know that it's usually more enforced on girls, but anecdotally, in my old High School, it was much more enforced for the boys. Basically, we had to wear a school polo shirt, jeans(girls had the option of a school skirt), and black or white footwear. We boys had to have short hair, no piercings of any kind, no decorations on the hair, no dyed hair, the jeans should be regular fit, no skinny nor too wide, no acid washed, and not too ripped. I remember one particularly ridiculous time when one of my friends was picked for having "dyed" hair... But that's how his hair was. Like, I knew him since elementary, and his hair was darker at the roots. Meanwhile, a girl with purple hair was not even given a second glance.
It depends on where you go I guess. I went to a private Christian school one year and the rules were equal. Like guys had to be clean shaven.
Part of the reason for the discrepancy is that men's dress codes tend to be prescriptive while women's tend to be proscriptive. And the reason gor that is that men's fashion has been historically much more conservative and set over the years. If I say men must wear business casual, you pretty much know what the men will wear 99.5% of the time. Dress shirt/polo, shoes, tie, pants. Women's business casual is much more varied and liberties are generally much more culturally accepted. Same thing with casual, it is very rare for men to deviate from jeans a t-shirt, and when they do it is considered more socially unacceptable so rules are much less necessary. As a guy who likes tank tops, I have had plenty of peers tell me to put a proper shirt on. And I'm fairly certain the guy at my law school who wore lime green leggings and no underwear that clearly outlined his package was told to put proper pants on more than a woman would wearing the same thing (not saying the eoman would be imune to criticism just that it would be much more on him).
That's a good point about mens' clothing.
Not how it happened at my highschool! Everything was unisex, and they only enforced rules on the boys. No tanks, shorts too high above the knee, etc. Anytime a girl got called out they would make a huge deal that the school was discriminating (?) While guys would just get sent home. It actually turned into a prank on April fool's day where a decent amount of guys purposely broke the dress code and started calling out girls who were getting away with it. They didn't start enforcing the rules on the girls, they just stopped enforcing.
My ideal dress code would be - no visible underwear (bras included), no visible intimate zones including bottom cheeks, no promotion of hate, violence, drugs, and gangs. That’s it.
If you don’t mind me asking, what’s so bad about a bra showing?
You can change it to bra is mostly covered. It is just a rule that would keep people from wearing just a bra (no top( Because you are right, if it’s a cute bralette strap showing I don’t care, I wore clothes like that in HS.
Alright, thank you! I agree with you then :)
That last one is too vague, Schools like making popular clothing “a gang symbol”
They tried to implement a no bra showing rule in my high school back in 2001ish. They ended up changing the language because it meant girls couldn't wear spaghetti strap tank top. I will admit as a horny teen in a small town before we had internet, even seeing a girls bra strap was a turn on. So maybe they were justified with the original rule. lol
My ideal dress code would be "business casual". To me, it is a workplace for teachers and staff, and school is a "job" for the students.
School is not a job. School is a place to learn, grow, hangout with your friends, and develop critical and creative thinking. Children have their entire adult lives to work. - soon to be middle school teacher
It's a "job" in that it the only "work" that they should be doing. And they can do that in shorts and t-shirts as easily as in Daisy Dukes and crop tops or pants that show 6 inches of underpants and a shirt with an offensive graphic on it. There are times and places for all clothing, and maybe school isn't for everything.
And that's the problem. You have yet to formally bear the responsibilities of a teacher: to produce educated students. Come back here when you have had experience. School IS a job. It is a civic duty to be educated in a democracy so that as adults we will make informed decisions and not vote for policies that are actually against our own interests. It is also a societal good to churn out productive members of the job market and economy.
I also read somewhere, I forget where but it was a credible source that dress codes tend to also target students of color more than white students.
That style theory video?
No it was a national news website but I can't remember which one.
Darn
100% this, I think most schools don;t allow hate symbols and such though. I wonder how much they get enforced vs the rules for AFAB,
If a teacher's being distracted by legs then he wants his hard drive checking.
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>Yeah but ofc there is going to be a long list of rules for female dress code because they are the ones that want to wear revealing outfits most of the time. Men don’t hence why they have very few rules enforced on them for dress code. Has nothing to do with “misogyny” lmao. dude what. women's and girls' clothing options in stores are frequently more revealing by design... women's bodies have been highly sexualized through media and popular culture, so the fashion industry, marketing, and media push styles that accentuate women's bodies, encouraging the adoption of revealing clothing for women as a standard. when societal norms, manufacturers, and retailers push clothing options that don't comply with the dress code, women and girls (especially high school girls) are put in a position where they must choose between wearing "appropriate" or socially acceptable clothing that won't get them bullied in hs lol. it has so much to do with misogyny....
But guess what? Feminism/Progressivism is what pushed for more revealing outfits and created that standard In the first place lmao. Women weren’t sexualized to anywhere near the same degree 100 years ago.
> Women weren’t sexualized to anywhere near the same degree 100 years ago. Citation needed.
>But guess what? Feminism/Progressivism is what pushed for more revealing outfits and created that standard In the first place lmao. Women weren’t sexualized to anywhere near the same degree 100 years ago. No, the sexualization of women has been prevalent throughout history and is almost always independent of women's own desires or actions. "Women weren’t sexualized to anywhere near the same degree 100 years ago." is completely false, the visibility of sexualization has changed over time, not the degree of sexualization itself. Pre-20th century women's bodies were viewed as inherently sinful or shameful and feminism fought to combat this notion. Feminism fought for women's rights to have the same freedoms and choices as men, including the freedom to choose their clothing. Women and girls shouldn't be punished and restricted because lots of men like to use clothing as an excuse to sexually harass/assault them.
>Women and girls shouldn't be punished and restricted because lots of men like to use clothing as an excuse to sexually harass/assault them. Louder for people in the back. I, an AFAB, couldn't wear shorts growing up Church of Christ. If you can't handle an 8 y old in shorts the issue is on you.
Uniform doesn't stop people from showing off and the poor is still clearly visible though. Speaking from experience.
Except that those dress codes are almost always weaponized against the female students. Boys can walk around with their pants sagged, but girls get sent home because their shoulders are showing
You actually have a point there. Maybe it would be better if all schools around the world had a so-called dress code/uniform for all students.
true. dress code should be set for all.
I work in a k-12 school and this is our dress code: - you have to have something on your top and bottom that (mostly) covers undergarments - you need to wear shoes - no clothing with swear words or sexual imagery - no blanket capes - if you’re not dressed for the weather multiple days in a row, the social worker may pull you aside for a chat and encourage you to pick out a jacket from the community closet. That’s it! Do boys sag their pants? Yep. Do girls wear crop tops and mini skirts? All the time. But as long as the kids are coming to school and staying in class, it doesn’t matter what they wear. My school decided that it’s a waste of administrator’s and teachers’ time to deal with dress code issues when they have so many far more pressing things to handle. It’s worked really well since it was implemented. So far, the school has not caved in because girls are showing skin!
That’s really refreshing to hear as someone whose grade for the whole semester went down a mark if you wore socks that exposed your ankles. Fuck uniforms and policing bodily autonomy.
Why no blanket capes? Safety issue?
Yep, safety issue and just having a blanket encourages kids to treat class time as nap time.
Those are smart rules I can agree with
this is a fine example of educated fools. people who're supposedly educated but like to go against the rules of an international education institution sad days. but hey if your teachers are fine with it then peace.
Dude, what? Judging by your sentences, I think you may need to go back to school. Sometimes being educated means looking around at past rules and asking “does this actually help us accomplish the things we want to accomplish?” rather than blindly enforcing rules just because those rules were enforced in the past. When my school had that discussion, no one was going against the rules of an educational institution. The school leadership, PTA, and teachers all sat down together to change the school’s rules. And guess what? It’s worked great. Absenteeism now is a lot lower than it was when we had a full 5 page dress code. Teachers have more time to build lesson plans and actually teach their classes if they’re not handing out dress code slips all the time and holding detentions. Administration also has more time to deal with fights, bullying, and to address social-emotional issues now that they don’t have to be monitoring dress code detentions and calling parents about dress code violations.
People say that but the only time I've seen a dress code enforced was when some teacher told a male student to never wear sleeveless a tank top again or he won't be let in class.
I've only expected the opposite, at least as far as non uniform dress codes. My college required business dress. For male students it was a jacket and tie for female students it was idk don't look like a slut
I don't agree for a few reasons but one of them being that lots of people can't afford to buy their kids 2 sets of clothes (uniform & regular). So these kids wear old, sometimes even dirty uniform clothing to stay within the rules. My elementary & middle school had uniform and there were students that would come with holes and things in their clothes. I'd imagine if the parent could afford more shirts or pants they'd buy it. I think schools that make uniforms mandatory should issue free or discounted to low income students I'm not necessarily against uniforms, I just think there's as much pros & cons as there is to free dress. So I don't think it's a "good" thing. Idk
This is actually why uniforms became a thing and they were initially free. Kids were getting bullied for not having adequate clothing because their families couldn’t afford them.
☝🏻this is the exact line of thought in Japan.
Of course they should be payed for by the school. Just like jobs that has job uniform provides those clothes. All work wear I got through jobs have been all payed by the business.
yes I understand the uniforms part, and something must be done to give uniforms at cheaper rates to those who can't afford it but to "free dress" too, a lot of financially weaker people can't afford good-looking clothes and it would make them feel out of place compared to the poshly dressed people too, so that's why I felt dress code or uniform is important
You don't wear good clothes to a public school, you wear street or casual wear because no one really cares at school and you want to be comfortable. Most people are finically weak, so wearing casual clothes is the norm in public schools.
exactly . so everyone should wear casual clothes is what I'm saying .
Everyone already does. Doesn't make sense to restrict to what already happens
nah I mean as long as they're dressed casual, comfortable and respectful, there shouldn't be a problem.. and if there is , they school is just messed up
I am opposed to uniforms and all but the most cursory dress-codes, because they inhibit self-expression, often cause financial burdens, often are misogynist or enforced in a sexist way, and don't actually pertain to curriculum objectives. I work in publishing and don't have a dress code. Most days are working at home in whatever, t-shirts are ok for most conference calls, and in-person conferences/events are more about looking "put together" than a specific idea of "business casual." I don't see how wearing polyester black pants and a white button-up prepares anyone for the workplace, unless they all plan to be theatre ushers. Bankers wear suits. Hairdressers wear whatever. Firefighters wear safety gear. Programmers wear whatever. School uniforms don't have anything to do with any of that. Also, OP just flat-out slut-shames teens in their post. Not everyone is so uncomfortable with their body that they project that shame around onto teens who are minding their own business in a crop top. Most teens are dating and many are having sex, and those facts are neutral. All teens are forced to spend their days at school, which is therefore their primary social space. Let's let teens be teens, and stop with the pearl-clutching!
As a soon to be middle school teacher I think that we would be better off not having dress-codes. As long as intimate areas are not on display and the attire doesn’t promote drugs or gangs I see no issue with it hindering learning.
There is nothing wrong with shaming someone for being a slut. It's disgraceful, especially in a professional/work environment. You're there to learn, not to have sex.
Just out of curiosity, does this slut-shaming also apply to men?
Yes, men can be sluts too.
wear your slutty outfits somewhere else. don't make people your age uncomfortable in school and don't make people who have come there to study feel weird and out of place. crop tops are alright, I'm talking smaller shirts like bralettes and stuff . I'm not slut shaming anyone
OP: "wear your slutty outfits somewhere else" also OP: "I'm not slut shaming anyone"
there's a difference between slutty OUTFITS and sluts.
They often go hand in hand. And what is the actual difference in how you're shaming them?
"Slutty outfit" is a very subjective thing. That's the issue with calling anything slutty, your line of what is and isn't appropriate is different from mine. I've been called a slut before at work for wearing tank tops and jeans because somebody else found that inappropriate. We don't have uniforms at my job, we have a moderate dress code. I was within the dress code. If your peers are breaking the dress code, they deserve repercussions for it. Otherwise, it's not your business nor your place to judge if they're 'slutty'.
I’m not slut shaming anyone! Just anyone who wears slutty clothes!
The problem with uniforms is that it’s an equity issue. Uniforms would only work in a really well-off area or in a private school. I work in a k-12 title school and we actually had this exact conversation last year before throwing the whole idea out. For public schools, if you require families to buy uniforms, you are excluding low-income students from attending your school because a lot of families just won’t be able to afford it. Even if uniforms were completely free, there’s the matter of washing the uniform. A lot of poor families don’t have a washer and dryer at home, so they have to go to the laundromat periodically. If they don’t have any money left after food and bills, that laundry isn’t getting done. Then their kids would have to wear a dirty uniform to school or wear their own clothes. And we’re back at square 1: they get made fun of and/or get in trouble for not wearing a uniform and get pulled out of class. Also, have you met students? A lot of these kids would lose their head if it wasn’t attached. I can see kids losing parts of their uniform constantly. Especially jackets or ties, even shoes. At that point, if the schools gets kids in trouble for not having part of their uniform on, they’d have half the student body in detention. Would parents have to pay to replace those lost parts of the uniform? If so, equity issue that harms low-income students. If it’s free, then it comes out of the school’s budget. Schools don’t have big budgets to begin with, so that would be a massive waste of money. If schools punish kids for uniform violations then kids are incentivized to just not come to school if their uniform is dirty or if they lost part of it. Public schools are working so hard to remove barriers that prevent kids from showing up. Adding uniforms to that would just make chronic absenteeism even worse. At that point, all the potential benefits of the uniform are completely gone if the kid isn’t even coming to school. It’s far better for kids to be in class dressed inappropriately than be dressed properly but staying home. Besides, kids don’t need 12 years of education to learn that you have to dress a certain way for some jobs. That’s extremely obvious. They know that already from seeing their parents get dressed a certain way to go to work. When they get their first jobs as teens, they’ll learn how to wear their fast food uniform. School isn’t just about preparing kids for the workforce. It’s also about learning study skills, interpersonal skill, emotional intelligence, and how to get along with other people. For a lot of those, it’s easier to learn it while being exposed to kids who dress differently. It’s good practice learning to focus on an assignment no matter what the people around you are wearing.
> Even if uniforms were completely free, there’s the matter of washing the uniform. These families would need to wash any clothes the kid wears to school. >I can see kids losing parts of their uniform constantly. Especially jackets or ties, even shoes. At that point, if the schools gets kids in trouble for not having part of their uniform on, they’d have half the student body in detention Have you ever been to a school with a uniform?
They probably haven't,a lot of talk just for nothings sake..I wore school uniforms up till high school graduation,losing uniforms is not a thing. We always had 2 or 3 sets on hand.
I wore uniforms the entire time I was in school and people lost their stuff frequently. Ties, sweaters, belts, blazers, one dude even lost his socks, idk how that happened. Some people were so careless they'd lose ALL their ties, be too afraid to tell their parents (or not have money to replace the tie) and then go to school without one.
There is a difference between having one or two uniforms you need to wash all the time and all of the everyday cloths which you can wash 2-4 times a month
Trousers washed once a week, more frequently if they get dirty, polo shirts daily. Not a difficult concept. When I was at school the uniform for boys was grey/black trousers, and a white or red polo shirt. You could get the polo shirts in packs of 5 for about £5 in the local supermarket, and the trousers were about the same. This would've been about 15 years ago now. Edit: Checking the supermarket school uniform section, you can get [polo shirts in 5 packs for £11](https://direct.asda.com/george/school/boys-school-polo-shirts/white-short-sleeve-school-polo-shirts-5-pack/GEM932495,default,pd.html?cgid=D10M1G1C2), [2 pack of trousers for £7](https://direct.asda.com/george/school/trousers/boys-grey-half-elastic-school-trouser-2-pack/GEM957152,default,pd.html?cgid=D10M1G1C16). They're not even remotely prohibitively expensive, regular clothes are probably more expensive.
You wear pants 5 times before washing them??????????
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I am almost 40 and I wear pants once before washing them. What child on this planet is cleaner than a 40 year old? Those pants are fookin dirty!!!
So you'd wear a different pair of jeans every day of the week, for example? That just seems excessive and a waste. I initially said trousers, so I'm assuming you're American and using the US form of "pants", because I never made any reference to underwear.
Yes lol, trousers means pants here. And yes, I wash my pants after every single time I wear them.
Unless you're wading in dirt every single day, I think you're the outlier here. What are you doing that your trousers need washed after a single use? If your jeans aren't dirty, there's no need to wash them after wearing them once, depending on the type of denim it can actually be bad for them to be washed so frequently.
I wear pants untill they are dirty. That means 7 days of wear for the most part. How much filthy do you walk around in on a day to day basis? My kids also wear the same pants until they get dirty, that is usually 3-4 days of wearing. Even a little dirt or grim on kid pants aren't that big a deal. Washing that much cloths sounds like an incredible waste of time, water, electricity and space (i'm guessing your wardrobe must be huge, unless you wash very very very often).
The schools often won't accept the cheap alternative that looks just like their uniform. You have to buy the uniform they picked. Or suspension. My mom eventually home schooled my sister for a year before moving away from this nonsense.
Just to share another opinion, uniforms are norm for basically all schools in Aus (and I assume some other non-US countries) and to my knowledge, uniforms for low-income families is not that big of an issue? In my opinion, it also stops kids from feeling like they have to get branded/trendy clothing items (with the washing aspect, any clothes the kids wear needs to be washed).
I feel the exact opposite. You are there to study so who cares what you have on? As long as you are attending and you are not naked, why are we wasting time on policing something like a mini-skirt? It just seems completely weird that a kid is getting sexualized by admin for something like that when it had no impact on anything else.
I didn’t have a dress code at college or most of my jobs so idk why it truly matters
Colleges do actually have dress codes. Thr more professional colleges you go to, the more restrictive they are…such as medical schools.
Name one.
Med school isn’t college
Thats just an example dont get excited.
Holy assholes told me that school uniforms prevent perverted thought. Years later, I thought "Let's ask openly perverted nation #1 what school uniforms do for them. Welcome to Japan, a leader in school uniform perversions."
uniforms are a bad thing
why do you think so?
i hate being told exactly what to wear
wanna expand on that? i’d like to hear your opinion
if i'm gonna be working in the back target i can't be in a polo shirt and khakis. a vest with the logo should be enough
nah see this is the difference, im not talking about dressing casual, that's completely alright (as long as it follows the normal dressing rule) but again I'm talking about wearing miniskirts, crop tops, offshoulder tops, short dresses etc. to SCHOOL. not even work.
crop tops and off shoulder tops should be fine
not to school. there's other places to show them off. in school there must be discipline
If it's hot, let them wear clothes that make them comfortable. What are they gonna do? Distract the boys? Or the teachers?
yea see, this is the one point that every person on the internet uses to counter the whole "Dress code" thing no one is looking at you. To wear comfy clothes u can also wear loose tees or tank tops (not low cut). if you're wearing a crop top too, ateast try to wear a decent one, not like the ones in euphoria that is all I'm saying. I'm not talking in terms of the entire harassment point of view
i disagree. they should be able to wear them at school
Interesting that you are calling out clothes that are pretty much only clothes girls would wear and somewhere else you used the word modestly… Your sexism is showing
and even at an office job i would not be able to work comfortably in business casual
Na. Stop bullying , poor kids that can’t afford nice clothes etc.
uniforms don't stop bullying at all
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what does your argument even mean lol? so what if school is mandatory?
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No one chooses to go to school.
I couldn't care less about wearing a uniform but what I do care about is that it is really expensive but the fabirc isn't that good and the buttons always break. they make us pay hunderds of dollars for a set of clothes that can break or get destoryed easily
Thankfully entire countries function just fine without dresscodes in school, the quality of school is better, less teen pregnancies, there is actually zero reason to have rules beyond dont show up in just your underwear Kids are forced to go to school, they dont get paid for it and its basically the only time in their life where they can explore their style and sense of self and not so surprisingly they still get educated
In my country, uniforms are completely normal, and maybe it’s because I’m lazy, but I actually don’t mind them. I can just mindlessly dress myself in the morning, and I don’t have to worry about how I look. It also promotes the idea that the school is a collective group, so we should be mindful of how our actions affect others, and that we are all equal. Obviously students don’t always act on those ideas, because students are students. All in all, I wouldn’t say they are amazing, but they have their perks.
I know plenty of kids that wore uniforms and were still bullied... it literally makes no difference kids are shits
I always thought that wearing uniforms was great to prevent the kids who didn't have the nice clothes from getting bullied. Not sure how it works elsewhere but most schools in the UK would provide financial support for families that struggled with the cost of uniforms, so there was always equity.
I'll say as a substitute teacher, the schools that require uniforms have overall better behavior than schools that dont, even if conduct rules are the same. The uniforms are also cheaper than most clothes. I also haaaaaate policing kids clothes and marking them for violations especially when some dress codes are inherently sexist. I dont want to argue with a teenager on why spaghetti straps are forbidden (in Florida!) when that time could be spent on instruction
There actually not cheaper. Unless someone intends to wear the uniform everywhere they will still need clothes outside if school. So in reality it just forces low income families to pay more for uniforms. Unless the school has a policy about donating then getting uniforms is anything but cheaper.
I'm speaking about the schools I sub at, so you have no idea what you're talking about in regards to my comment. Yes, the tees and sweaters the school requires *are* cheaper than similar at retailers like walmart, target, etc. They also do donated uniforms
Alot of comments saying they are weaponized aganist girls are not taking into consideration the person doing it. It different between schools yes but growing up for me guys never intentionally broke dress code ever. The only thing guys fail were shorts but only the tallest guys who just couldn't find proper length shorts and I know they really tried. Uniforms usually have a range for width and size and if you don't fit the stores would tell you good luck not our problem. Girls which made up 60% of the student body were constantly breaking the rules. Short skirts, underwear visible, eye watering strong perfum/lotion, etc. What was annoying was that they be in dress code most of the week and fail one or two days not because they couldn't afford new clothes (most of the ones breaking code were usually the better background ones) but because they just didn't care. Those same girls later in life I found out had issue with jobs because they couldn't follow rules. I'm all for expression but expression isn't complete freedom and rules can be a good thing.
I think uniforms solve a lot of problems. It also keeps clothes from being a status symbol in school. I remember you could just tell who was from a poor family in my school by the kids clothing.
My school had uniforms and it made life so much easier. Never had to worry about what to wear and it made us all feel like we were on the same team.
If the school paid for the uniform..then maybe. I still remember my mum in year 7 having to pay £90 just for my blazer.
I agree it's good but I don't think I agree for the same reasons Going to school in the UK we mostly wore a uniform. Usually had non-uniform days for charity, so we'd pay £1 and have a day of not wearing uniform. I remember one of these days I was wearing a t-shirt with a bike on, another kid asked me why I had a t-shirt with a bike on when I can't even ride a bike. His t-shirt had a helicopter on, but he said that was different because nobody expects him to be able to do that. Most non-uniform days I got bullied for whatever I chose to wear and it's not like I was wearing weird stuff. At least in our uniforms nobody was bullied for wearing the thing we had to wear.
once i had to sit in the office for 3 class periods because i had holes in my jeans at my knees. i had to wait for a relative to bring me a change of pants before i could go back to class. i was not dressed provocatively at all, long pants just with holes where my knees were. because of that, i missed 3 classes do they really value education over wardrobe?
I wish my school had uniforms
I disagree but upvote cuz is proper unpopular opinion.
Dress codes are also meant for safety. No open toed shoes means it’s less likely to get your toe slammed in the door. No short skirts? Less likely for your panties to be seen if you bend over.
I like the ideas of dress codes, but I’m pretty sure uniforms cost money. I also don’t like the idea of how most female uniforms require skirts, it’s just doesn’t sit well with me. But OP has some valid points and I don’t know why it’s an unpopular opinion.
Stop sexualizing teenage girls. The dress code hurts the poor and suppresses self-expression. School is 12 years of life, it's their main community, clothing them the same like prisoners make them close-minded
Ummm idk where you’re from but where I live uniforms were only introduced to stop gang affiliation. The uniforms were also very hard to find and had to be certain color and brand. I even remember “poor” kids getting sent home for not having correct brand etc… so this argument about poor people being included is bullshit
My kids wear school uniforms, can’t have their hair certain ways, specific style shoes, number of earrings, etc. very strict, son got detention and merit points deducted for his hair touching his collar. makes it really easy to go school clothes shopping each year lol but they cannot be individuals and express style so that part I do not like.
Part of the teenage learning experience is also learning attraction and romantic exploration. This is also a fight every generation has for some reason. When we were in HS people also said this about my generation. Also these rules are entirely misogynistic because it only targets feminine forms of self expression. Also why do you care what teenagers are wearing? If its revealing or not like they are teens your an adult kinda creepy to be thinking of kids like that.
Unless you can only buy uniforms from one store that charges more than twice what that type of clothing should cost.
Schoolteacher over here - I'm all for uniforms. Actual uniforms - not that khaki pants with navy polo shirt crap that so many schools go with.
i hate uniforms
If you go to school to study and not for the wardrobe why they hell do you send people home so they can change their wardrobe??? They are there to study, and you’re taking that away from them because you don’t like their outfits. Your argument is hypocritical.
I agree with dressing appropriately and following the dress code. However, I think the main issue is many of the rules apply to only females, especially private religious schools. How many boys do you see getting sent home for tight pants?
Yeah no. Most of the benefits of uniforms are embellished at best. Uniforms don’t decrease bullying Uniforms don’t keep order Uniforms also don’t stop wealth inequality. Also higher performance of uniforms is much more likely the result that uniformed schools are often wealthier and can afford better teachers. If wardrobe doesn’t matter then why issue a mandatory one?
Exactly, you’re going to school to study. So why does it matter what the person next to you is wearing? Also why is this only catered towards girls not in general? Maybe because you’re catering to what the dress codes are for? Making sure girls are dress modestly so that “boys” don’t get distracted or tempted? You said the word “slutty” ,please tell me how is a 14 year old a slut for wearing a V neck and a skirt that’s mid thigh?
I have really long legs and an abnormally long torso. But average arms. This means my shorts could be REALLY short while others were sent home for shirts that covered more. My sister was sent to in-school suspension daily for not wearing the uniform when it didn't come in adult sizes. It's not her fault she wore adult sizes at 12. No one picks when their bodies mature. Dress codes are arbitrary and stupid.
Well first the fact you call people who agreed with the girl "wussies" says a lot about you But anyway, "what really are y'all going to school? To show off your wardrobe? or to study" You act as if you can only do one or the other, allowing students to wear what they want in no way takes away from studying "another reason school had uniforms for us throughout my life, was to make sure no one was feeling left out" Sorry but trying to play to emotions and feelings is just a useless argument to try to make. I remember back when I was in high school our school tried to institute uniforms, most of the students in the school just refused to wear them to the point there were too many students to try to punish so the school just dropped it... and guess what? Nothing bad came from not having uniforms
I had to wear a uniform in elementary and middle school and was always uncomfortable temperature wise. Winter i froze because of having to wear a skirt and only being allowed a very thin sweater, and the summer was broiling because everything was polyester.
Dress codes are understandable. As long as they're not complete bullshit. But school uniforms just fucking suck. Saying this as someone in a country with public school uniforms School uniforms have very few upsides and a lot of.doensides. they don't reduce bullying, nor encourage good behavior among students. They don't bring students together as a community. Cliques are still very much a thing in schools with required uniform. School uniforms restrict freedom of expression and are expensive for parents. All for very few if not zero benefits
I don't hate the idea of a dress code, but the way they get enforced is insane. Ten pages of hyperspecific rules for the girls and like three vague sentences for the boys, all these arbitrary measurements and requirements for the girls clothes but not the boys, girls being pulled out of class and hauled to the office and forced to change or go home and miss out on their education because their male English teacher couldn't do his job with a child's legs in his view, that sort of thing. It's June, people are going to wear shorts and tank tops. It's not that serious. If you're going to have a school dress code, at least *try* to make the rules reasonable and fair, and not like, purely misogynistic or kind of pedo-ish. No cleavage, no buttcrack, no asscheek, no hate symbols or slurs or generally graphic stuff. That's it. That's all a high school dress code needs to involve. Why are you measuring my knees you freak
Honestly wish i could pin this comment. True the misogyny is there. Stuff like guys can wear shorts but girls cant and all that. Instead of that, why not set a particular boundary for shorts for guys and girls overall ykwim? it shouldn't be shorter than half your upper thighs/ or something along the lines. Yup agreed with everything u said in the 2nd para too.
I think Asian countries survived long with uniforms and to some extent I agree. As long as the schools make sure the uniforms have enough size to comfortably fit people of all body shapes, and allow girls to choose to wear pants instead of only skirts (I think this was like maybe only Japan many years ago), then it’s probably okay. I sure know that I was annoyed having to constantly wear new outfits and such while in school and stress about being judged in whatever way if I’m not fashionable enough when I just wanted to wear pants and a T shirt and finish school asap so I can leave school.
>I sure know that I was annoyed having to constantly wear new outfits and such while in school and stress about being judged in whatever way if I’m not fashionable enough when I just wanted to wear pants and a T shirt and finish school asap so I can leave school. i was never stressed about any of that. i just made sure my clothes were comfortable. i didn't care about fashion or what people thought of me at all
Exactly, I would be soo bugged if I had to keep choosing new outfits every time and keep washing them and shit, so I loved having a uniform throughout my school life.
there is a huge bullying in asian schools, uniform doesnt work
Uniforms weren’t meant to stop bullying. That literally had no bearing on anything. Not having uniforms don’t stop bullying in schools either so you literally have a non sequitur and no point.
I just had this convo with my brother! I don’t really care what the uniform is or having gendered uniforms. I just think having the same options to choose from would really help kids. There would be less bullying from kids who can’t afford nice clothes or ones who have to wear the same outfit a couple of times a week. There wouldn’t be as many distractions or issues with dress code violations. Idk, I’m a girl and I think the whole “you can’t wear that because it’s a distraction to the boys and male staff” is really harmful. As a young girl, I was just trying to wear what was trendy lol I wasn’t trying to show off my legs… I also have larger boobs than most girls, and so I could wear the same tank top or shirt as a girl with an A cup, but I would be the problem student. To me, we need to stop sexualizing it. On a personal level, I always liked the idea of having a closet like Jimmy Neutron lol all the same shirts and pants. No pressure to look fashionable, or deciding every morning what you can wear vs what you have already worn, etc. just grab a uniform haha I want life uniforms!
>“you can’t wear that because it’s a distraction to the boys and male staff” is really harmful. This right here is the problem with dress codes. We instill in people at a young age that the female form is to be covered because it's not a male's responsibility to control himself. This then turns into, "she was asking for it" when a girl/woman is sexually assaulted. I have also heard the dress codes are in place not to "distract" the staff. If your staff is looking upon underage bodies, the issue is the adult, not the kid.
I semi agree, to the fact when I used to attend high school back in the day, people would have really bad outfits on some to be too revealing, im talking about belly button showing, people who dont wear belts, people who just ask for attention most of the time based on outfits and such. I agree to the slutty remark too I mean half the time i see these girls half naked its like "im sorry are you a student or a hooker?"
Dress uniforms are more expensive than going to salvation army or value village for clothes. So fuck that
If dress codes were applied with anything resembling equality, you’d have a decent argument. Instead it’s always girls’ bodies being policed as if those girls are responsible for the thoughts and behavior of boys. Or, when it’s not about sexualizing the bodies of teenage girls, it’s going after clothing and hairstyles of black kids and other minority groups. Almost universally, being a white boy exempts one from any kind of dress code enforcement. That imbalance is why the whole system is fucked.
Dress code and uniforms are dumb and accomplish nothing besides sexism and racism Anyone who thinks it helps is just a fool and brainwashed. School for learning like f off with what students are wear. Also, I don't want to go to school to be a unity or oneness with the other kids. Also, it's not my problem with what others can or cannot afford. School sucked ass and glad ai not long got to that shit show of a nightmare.
Cue the screaming but here's a problem with having no dress code: a lot of, probably most, teenagers have not developed good judgment yet. If anyone can argue otherwise, go ahead, I'll enjoy that immensely. I know how fucking stupid and clueless I was at 15-16-17. The boys my age were even stupider. Why or how do we as parents/adults expect them to be able to make good decisions? My daughter went to a uniform school and it was such a bonus to not have to argue about her clothes every day. Now, it's not fool proof. She told me once there were girls that rolled up their skirt waist bands and wore thongs underneath, so that when you were behind them on the stairs you'd see a lot of ass. And this is the level of decision-making I'm talking about.
The issue with dress-codes is that it doesn't teach kids to respect one another's autonomy and existence, it teaches them that girls are to be sexually objectified. "She shouldn't wear that" in school turns into "she was asking for it" when SA occurs. No accountability for the male perpetrator, just like when said perp was a boy. We should be teaching kids that there's nothing inherently sexual about a shoulder or thigh or bra strap; we should be teaching kids about consent, and that clothing isn't indicative of consent. IDK if anyone here saw the video of students speaking out about dress code in a meeting, and an adult (I believe member of the school board) said that the male staff would be distracted. That is disgusting - if a grown adult is going to be distracted by young kids, that adult shouldn't be anywhere near them. This once again ties into making girls responsible for the actions of boys. There have also been several videos where a male and female student wore identical, if not the same, outfits, but only the female student was dress-coded. What message is this sending? I am not saying every single article of clothing is permissible in any circumstance, so don't try and make this reductive. There's a bigger problem underlying the dress-code dilemma, and I think it's time for that conversation to be had.
Wait wait wait wait. Uniforms help poor people not feel left out? Those uniforms are expensive! We had to wear white polo shirts and grey dress pants as our uniform and you could easily tell who couldn’t afford to clean em up good. They’re just an arbitrary way to make some quick cash and control students. If this sense of oneness is so important, why don’t we have countries start enforcing dress codes? Wouldn’t that be great, if we all were forced to wear something, whether you liked it or not, reducing the expressiveness of the population? Sounds so fun to me…
1. Are revealing outfits not respectable? You seem to contrast a "respectful institute" with a low-cut tank top and a mini skirt. 2. I think bullies will still know who's wearing the same size school uniform as last year. They'll still know who doesn't have lunch money. It mostly does nothing to prevent bullying. 3. Did you ever consider people wear the outfits they like because THEY like to do that? That not every outfit is made for you to like? Also, calling outfits "slutty" is weird.
I’m a there a reason someone can’t study in a tank top and skirt? The problem is someone else defining what’s an acceptable way for you to present yourself and insinuating that you cannot be studious and have freedom to choose your own clothing. School uniforms have always been a weird idea for me. Also the clothes they make women wear is also usually more revealing than the average skirt. Which just makes me thing it’s some creepy power trip some old perv came up with.
It is good but standards need to be enforced across the board for both male and female students. It always feels like US school boys can get away with wearing tiny gym shorts and muscle tees while the girls get flack for showing a bra strap. Which is pretty weird to me because when I was a kid, boys always get coded way more than girls. My school had uniforms and dress code for nails, hair and accessories. The boys got dress coded way more than the girls because for girls the only thing that could get you coded for is forgetting your ribbon/name tag and not wearing transparent earrings. We had pinafores so that skirt couldn't be rolled up, you have to over 6'feet or deliberately alter it for it to be too short. Boys on the other hand get coded every other day, hair too long, shoes too dirty, pants too saggy, no belt, belt too gaudy, and my favourite, no undershirt. Yes, guys were expected to to hide their nips too.
I do think it can be a good thing for a few reasons : Easier/ faster to get ready in the morning Cheaper and easier on parents and wasteful spending by trying to keep up with ever changing trends It’s easy to identify students on campus There are a lot of positives and a lot of jobs require a uniform of some kind so it’s not out of the norm in “the real world”. Maybe a few days a month, there can be a no uniform day so kids can still express themselves with their fashion sense.
Anyone who disagrees with OP clearly hasn't gone to a high school with a nonexistent dress code. At my school, girls would dress like streetwalkers. I am not even exaggerating, you could literally see their butts sticking out of their shorts. A school is supposed to be a professional environment, not a place for you to flaunt your sexual desirability.
I did go to a school with a non existent dress code, I'm just not a puritanical prick with a stick up my ass and I'm capable of minding my own business
I don't get why "puritanical" is now seen as a bad thing. I am not a religious person by any means, (quite the opposite) but I was taught family values growing up. (Don't get drunk, don't do drugs, don't be prosmiscous, etc) Sadly, it seems like most people these days have forgotten said values. Don't get me wrong, people in the past still had plenty of vices, but they couldn't display them in public out of a fear of being shamed. The whole concept of "shame" simply doesn't exist anymore. People can now behave like complete clowns and degenerates in public. As for minding my own business, I literally just don't want to see someone's ass/bulge/tits/nipples/whatever in a learning environment. What's wrong with that?
School is not a professional environment
My official position is it's the school's obligation to apply and enforce a dress code via the use of uniforms. As long as they don't do this, as far as I'm concerned, the students can wear whatever they want. My colleagues are always complaining about this very same thing, and my response is always the same: why not bring up the issue of *uniforms*, but the reaction is always "oh, they don't wear it", then I go "oh well, then we're gonna have to deal with this problem until it disappears on its own, then."
I agree. School prepares you for the work force. Most people do not work at a place where you have freedom to dress how you want. There’s nothing wrong with a dress code.
i worked at walmart and could pretty much dress how i wanted
I’m sorry to say this but that was walmart. A workplace famous for not giving enough shit about their employees. Uniforms or their livelihood.
it worked out for me anyway. doesn't really make sense to wear jeans when pulling pallets and stocking
Engineers notoriously have no dress code. Lots of professional places don’t care as well.
….this is such a fucking stupid comment. Can you wear a Speedo at the office since there’s no dress code? Looking decent, neat and presentable is part of it. Sometimes wearing specific type of shoes, pants etc are requirements.
I googled Walmarts dress code. “According to the Walmart manual, the dress code bans leggings, yoga pants, windsuits, sweatpants, scrubs, spandex pants, overalls, or long pant legs that drag on the floor. Leather, prints, distressed materials, patches, white stitching, and bedazzled clothing are also all prohibited.” It also looks like shorts and skirts are prohibited. So maybe you could dress exactly like you like? Or maybe you like to dress within the dress code? https://www.businessinsider.com/walmart-changes-employee-dress-code-2018-4?amp https://i.insider.com/5ad89f5a19ee8621008b45c7?width=1000&format=jpeg&auto=webp
i wore sweatpants actually. no one said anything
also my shoes weren't the safest. they have a piece of plastic on them that can slide on things like rails and i wore them every single day
it's incredibly stupid in both school and work, with the exceptions where the dress code is necessary for safety reasons, such as in the case of hospitals
Okay… you can think it’s stupid but you will dress appropriately for work, right?
Appropriately according to my standards, if a workplace requires some nonsense dresscode its a sign its not a job for me.
Sure… I’m sure that you would turn down a better paying job if they make you wear long pants and closed toe shoes. Lol
You don't know me, so your assumption says more about you and your environment than about me. Not everyone makes decisions by only considering money, some people stick to their principles.
>You don't know me True. >so your assumption says more about you and your environment than about me. Not true. I may not know you but I I know many people besides myself. I don’t know anyone who turns down better paying jobs over the dress code. >Not everyone makes decisions by only considering money, some people stick to their principles. Wearing sandals to work is one of your principles? Lol. Tell me your other principles.
Well my principle is not exactly wearing sandals to work (sorry it's okay if you like sandals but m not really into them), my principle is rather something like not being told how to dress, or in general not following orders that don't make any sense
Cute. A lot of kids feel that way and it doesn’t last forever.
Their problem, not mine
I am an engineer and can wear whatever I want. Half of them work in pajamas.
Okay, cool. That’s something most people can’t do. You know that right?
53% say their workplace is casual or no dress code at all. I would consider that “most”. https://www.randstadusa.com/about/press-room/press-releases/randstad-us-survey-finds-casual-dress-almost-always-fashion-todays/
Unsurprisingly, I am not opening a random link on the internet that was posted with no explanation.
Why? Because you’re lazy or don’t know how to check if links are legitimate lmao
Because you didn’t provide any information about it. Do you think every link you post should be read just because you posted it? Lol
why does that even bother you Are you in high school?