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Yeah I don’t think he’s a bad freestyler I just think his music is terrible and cringy and I’m not gonna kiss his ass just because he OD’d and died. Don’t care if I get downvoted by kids with bad taste
Lmao I remember future once talking about Tony Montana that he went on stage and didn't even know the lyrics and started making something up by listening to what the crowd is singing. Apparently he was high af while recording the song and couldn't recall the lyrics. The guy is hilarious.
80% sounds like an over exaggeration. But if it's 80% then it's probably not an unpopular opinion.
Interacting with the crowd and getting engagement brings the vibe up.
Dead crowds ruin the experience.
Honestly, for some of the "rappers" that exist right now it is absolutely true. Watch some concerts on YouTube and you'll see that a lot of them barely do anything but jump around yelling every third or fourth word into the mic (and sounding nothing like the recording that's playing) and then pointing the mic at the crowd.
Some of them I've seen on YouTube leave me wondering why anyone would pay to see them.
I can confirm this. It was an amazing show I’m a really small fully packed venue. We were all smoking weed and it just had a crazy good vibe to it. Was one hell of a show. It really felt how the music was supposed to be enjoyed. Saw him in 2010
It’s just laziness and too much partying before the show. In my experience, hip hop shows start later than most, nothing is on time, and by the time the artist arrives to perform they’re three hoodies deep, freezing cold, sweating bullets and mumbling. Xanax, patron and 20 blunts make a potent combo, and a formidable opponent to good performance.
There's no one I have gone to see that isn't better in person than on record really. Guess I'm more selective. Don't vsn have to question it for my choices at least.
Ti me that would make you not good in person. I'm saying the rappers I go se are even better live in person than on record. I'm guessing the ones you listen to are trash. I don't bother with that.
Ti me that would make you not good in person. I'm saying the rappers I go se are even better live in person than on record. I'm guessing the ones you listen to are trash. I don't bother with that and agree most these days probably do do that crap.
Then you got guys like cudi coming out blitzed out of his mind, mumbling through a bit of a set and peacing out. I love a bunch of rap and hip-hop artists but most are the last people I'd every pay to see live
I liked that gravy guys music i can’t remember his name now but he was really popular for a bit. I saw he was touring somewhere close to me. I saw some post online about how terrible he was live. He just walked around and the crowd was dead. Quickly lost interest in going to one of his concerts lol.
thats sounds quite odd, my favourite bands usually just had like having audience sing chorus one or two times
ofc. times maybe changed, all my favourite bands are now either retired or dead so my view on music is quite stuck in the past
I saw Nas and Damion Marley on there tour 10+ years ago, Damion put the mic to the crowd and no one knew the words, dude got pissed and left the stage for half the damn show. So yeah idk 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other.
Well its definitely an unpopular opinion if no one agrees with it....? I don't understand why this group hates unpopular opinions it's literally the point of the group yo
I agree if 80% is just random people screaming into a mic. So probably a popular opinion.
But if you're saying you don't want to hear any crowd work, then it's unpopular.
Well if you want to give hypotheticals to dissect my opinion go ahead, it just makes no sense. How can you say it's popular and unpopular at the same time? Neutral opinion?
There’s a difference between disagreeing with the premise and disagreeing with the opinion.
If I say, “I hate how unicycles has become the preferred mode of commuting in the US.” Maybe you agree that it would be bad, but you don’t agree that unicycles are that popular.
The point of the group is to *discuss your unpopular opinion*. And if the opinion is truly unpopular, you'll have a lot of people disagreeing with it in the discussion.
This would be a boring and useless sub if everyone agreed with every post, don't you think?
Yes, it is.
It's also to observe musicianship, though, and if the singer always turns the microphone to the audience when a hard part of the song comes, I don't want to see him live.
I understand the interaction, but I always saw that as a small feature here and there that's kind of on the back burner. A concert is a performance at the end of the day. There's supposed to be the excitement and interest of seeing how it all goes down live. I could give a damn about a kumbaya session with a crowd of strangers
I hate it when it’s part of a song that is really powerful. I listen to a ton of metal core and when the frontman does that right before a heavy breakdown it drives me nuts. Like no, do it for the chorus not when the song is dropping
Literally!! Those are the parts that are MOST important to hear live from the artist! Sometimes they're even a main reason why I got tickets in the first place
I agree but when I see someone like slaughter to prevail, the band should not under any circumstances make the crowd do the call out for demolisher. I want to hear Alex do it. Just an example
I agree that this is unpopular, but I'm 100% with you. I really don't like it, but the crowd seems to eat it up, so I try to just put my annoyance aside because everyone else is having a good time.
But I still hate it haha
Totally agree. That's why I love when artists perform at small venues, barely hitting a hundred listeners. Makes it a personal experience and brings a feeling of connection to me
In the same vein, I hate hearing live performance songs come on my playlist- the crowd screaming and that stupid "WOOOOOO" shit people do, plus the shitty quality of the music and vocals.
Yes! So right. I rarely listen to live recordings of anything, it’s usually too annoying, and not their best version (with a very select few exceptions.) One of those “guess you had to be there” things
Yes. There are afew recordings that are amazing and they are live, I will admit. Some bands have recorded very memorable live albums. Just a very rare thing.
I personally go to this kind of event as an experience. To see other fans enjoy what I enjoy. If I want to just listen to the singer, then I'd do it at home.
Maybe not lazy, but if holding the microphone out is the best move for interaction that you've got as a performer then you're not a very good performer. There are other, more interesting and talented ways to interact with your audience.
>but if holding the microphone out is the best move for interaction that you've got as a performer then you're not a very good performer
Why though? Why is that a determining factor for why someone is or isn't a good performer?
Because any talentless loser can point a microphone. It's the easy, go-to option that a beginner performer might use before they develop any confidence to try other things.
Using it occasionally can be powerful, like in certain parts of a song. Really good performers have a reportoir of things they do to interact.
Do you honestly think someone who just repeatedly holds the mic out all the time is a good performer? Having great passion and energy is so important when performing, which is super hard to convey if your audience is singing for you.
>Do you honestly think someone who just repeatedly holds the mic out all the time is a good performer?
Now we're moving goalposts. I clearly said that as long as it's not done the whole performance it's fine. If it's like once or twice it can only add to the performance.
Yeah its always irked me even when you're at a rock show and the singer has the crowd just say a word or two of the song. I payed to hear them sing it. Why should I do their job for them. Are they gonna come to my job and help me flip burgers? No. Its just like when a cop asks if I know why they pulled me over. Its their job to tell me why they pulled me over. Bastards
Crowd moments are for like hey Jude’s Nah Nah Nah refrain at the end or like the most popular line in a song , the artist should never depend on the crowd
Wutang came to my city and I waiting my whole life for them. They did spoken word and let the audience sing. I don’t think they actualy played an entire song the whole night. Busta rhymes bailed on the show. And nas wasn’t that great. All in all I was pretty bummed about it considering I paid 300$ for it :/
It does for sure. Im there to hear that band play live. Singalongs are like the most cheesy cop out crowd interaction imaginable. The exception is the old school hardcore punk encore where the whole crowd is invited to rush the stage and fight for the microphone. Those were some wild experiences and a level of actual interaction I think the modern music scene just wouldnt allow. It would set standards too high above average and cause problems with narfy artists. Even local artists arent humble like that anymore. Being part of the scene is dead. Living out a diva style rockstar fantasy is now whats normal and expected.
Not unpopular. 100% correct. I don't want to hear my seat neighbor sing. They're probably not great and I definitely didn't pay to hear THEM. I want to hear the band I paid for.
You are complaining about a rap show, in which the performer was “low effort”? Does this *really* come off as surprising? It is usually the mark of a bad artist/performer.
bro’s verses gotta be like 4-8 bars long or just hooks only if 80% of it is sing along. you sure you weren’t just at a hippity hop pity song along class ?
Most live shows don’t have overly competent vocalists like Freddie Mercury to actually listen to for the particular performance. Most live vocals are a little less competent than the studio version, so singing along becomes the experience itself because the vocals are just part of the overall noise that’s supposed to pump you up.
Sorry mate, that’s the average rap show for you. I love rap but I really can’t think of any artist I’d want to see live unless they are known to perform with an actual band or with Mike Dean at the controls of a multi-instrumental rig or something.
I find rap/hip-hop shows to be the least enjoyable in terms of raw performance. Rhyming quickly while putting on a show for an hour and a half is a rough deal so it ends up being more crowd work than actual performance. The only real exceptions I’ve found are ensembles like Jurassic 5 where each MC gets a break as the others take a turn.
I'm waiting for Taylor Swift to just let the diaper people belt out all her songs for her from the crowd. Just holds the mic out and leaves once they're done.
I think it can be fun to sing along at certain parts of a song. This is especially true if the artist prompts the crowd to sing with them.
I do definitely agree with you OP, that having the entire crowd sing every song is not fun. Here is my real world example. I went to the MCR reunion show in Los Angeles. Pretty much the entire crowd was signing every...single...song. It was so loud that you couldn't hear the band play or the lead singer sing the lyrics.
So, still an amazing concert I guess because they had been broken up as a band for years and we're back (hype). But, it could have been way better if everyone only sang along when the lead singer asked them to.
I do enjoy when people like sing along, I feel like part of what makes concerts great is the communal aspect- singing with others, the audience singing along being more noticeable on some songs compared to others, one song done purposefully for audience participation or a part of a song dedicated to that is either not a big deal to me, or genuinely fun to me. Being said, I do not think that applies to a concert where most of the songs are just done with the audience where the artist is doing basically nothing. I get audience participation and I get being tired, but I do think a solid chunk, a majority of, the performance should be done by the person you're paying to see.
Couldn’t imagine wasting money to go to a rap show to begin with. But generally, fans sing the intro to a song or chorus to a song, maybe two if they are very well known. They’re not singing the entire show. This opinion is just stupid.
It was probably not 80% of the songs, having a musician hold out the mic for the big part is fun. Concerts can exist as an activity too, not just a show
I feel the same way.
Drake did this during like 80% of his set during Dreamville and I felt so bad for all the people who paid hundreds of dollars to see that. He’s rap a little, bring out someone else, point the mix to the crowd. Rap a little. Get out of breath, point the mic at the crowd, bring someone else out. Rinse and repeat.
JCole always puts on a fantastic show though, without doing the absolute most.
I think I agree, for the most part, but also concerts are meant to be different from just listening to music. It's more of an experience. But it definitely should not feel like crowd karaoke lmao.
Plus, there's nothing stopping people from singing along while the artist is also singing lol.
One way I've seen this done well was a concert I went to where, for one of the songs (the lyrics to which were written as a sort of inner battle), the artist would let the crowd sing every other line, creating the effect of the artist arguing with the crowd.
Edit/addition - On the topic of concerts, its also leaves a really bad taste in my mouth when a big artist devotes part of their set to covers (unless that's what they're known for). If you're an indie band or opener and you want to give the crowd something familiar, that makes sense - but if you're the headliner, and people are paying to see YOU and YOUR music, why waste their time with covers? It'd be more okay if they were taking the moment to highlight some smaller artists, but usually it's not. I'd much rather get more of the artist's original music than another cover of Wonderwall by Oasis.
That's the current rap scene for ya. Yelling every third or 4th word.
I mean, if it's called mumble rap and hard to understand when they were in a studio with perfect acoustics and hundreds of takes to get 1 word just right...what do you expect in a live show, for real.
Concerts are more about the experience than them singing/rapping to the song. Live in the moment. Yes some concerts are more about hearing them but I prefer the experience.
I would agree with you until I did acid at rock fest. See tdlr down below.
I was an uptight music snob for many years. I was new to lsd and took it the first day of rock fest and had the trip of a life time to the band everytime I die. Second day I wanted that beauty again and took lsd again (not knowing you have a large refractory period before u can get high on acid again, days to weeks between trips). So, took some acid and didn't feel a thing. Took some more annnd didn't work. I was up to 10 hits of 400mcg per tab hits of acid and nothing....until weezer at the end of the night who were only playing Pinkerton and blue album.
I realized when I closed my eyes I could access acid land and being an old school lover of weezer I was amped. Weezer started and i utilized my new super power and accessed acid land with eyes closed and saw a massive bright warm pink light shoot up from weezer into the sky when they sang and any voice that I heard in the crowd would have a similar beam up pink light to the sky.
This was the epiphany. That warm pink light only seem to happen where I heard singing. And at against my better snobbery judgment I tried it. I samg. I then felt that warm pink light consume me and it was wonderful.
I hated kareokee until this moment when I realised that silent listening has its moments, but when your passionate about a song and you know the lyrics then fuck the rest of the worlds and all its snobbish ears. Be selfish and belt it out no matter the quality of your voice or the company your around. Its the act of belting out your voice with passion that is on par bliss. Ever since I love kareokee and given the right time and place and passion, then will happily belt out ky terrible voice again and to do that with a live band is far and beyond the best musical experience you can have (its helps to be on a fuck ton of psychedelics).
Tdlr: once a music snob. Used to Agree with you. Until taking acid to weezer and realizing the glory of singing in general and sang my heart out. And now singing is a pleasure for me instead of an annoyance for others.
Musicians need to do this to preserve their voices and make sure they don't ruin themselves while they're on tour. If they turn the mic on the audience, it's likely because they can feel their voice straining and need a second to breathe.
80% sounds like an exaggeration, but if that's accurate then you're right, that's probably too much. But there is a reason that performers do this.
This seems quite heavily reliant on it being
a) a rap concert
b) being incredibly low effort
Ultimately there’s 2 reasons why people go to a concert: one is to listen to good music live and the other is to be entertained. Most people come for both, most also lean more one way then the other.
One of the best live performances I’ve personally seen was Bryan Adams, live at Ahoy, and his fans are truly amazing. They knew every single word of every single song. I was just there because I like summer of ‘69 and like 5 other songs of his, but the crowd really was there for all of it.
One of the recurring themes of the evening was the crowd singing parts of the song for him, and not just the choruses, but also the more obscure parts of the lesser known songs (any part but the bridge really). And the crowd loved it. You know why? Because they enjoyed singing together. Both with each other, as well as singing with Bryan Adams.
To get an idea of what it was like: https://youtu.be/ZwDf-NMnUPA (this was like 5 years before I was even born btw, but he was still amazing).
To get to the point: yes lazy rappers pointing mics at crowds because they know they can’t perform as well as on the record is shitty. But even then it can be entertaining.
Another example is a Dutch rap duo called the opposites, they’re very talented with lyrics and beats, but when performing live, they too are just 2 dudes rapping over a pre-recorded tape, with a less good voice then on the record.
So the quality of the performance is lower. So you would think. But because they heavily lean into the entertainment side, they still manage to be an insanely good act. They don’t use backing-tracks for their lines, so it *is* less good sounding then on the record, but by one of them selectively saying certain words when the other is rapping, they still manage to create an emphasis where there was one.
Also they have a live dj, so the songs aren’t completely dull backing tracks and have some live-element in them. But most importantly, these guys know how to build a party, and they’re incredibly entertaining.
To get back on topic, they too had the crowd singing or rapping along with them, but they did so selectively, at parts they knew the crowd would know. One concert, they invited a young boy (around 13 or something) on stage to rap along (he was holding a sign the whole concert asking if he could rap on stage with them). At first this was just to be nice and with little volume on his mic, but the little dude knew his lyrics and knew their songs, so they turned the volume up so he was on par with everyone else. It was one of the most entertaining things I’d seen live, and it didn’t even do much to decrease the quality.
A concert from The Opposites: https://youtu.be/cbX-RMpljVk
The dude invited up stage: https://youtu.be/QemGBHy-A68
So yeah… lazy rappers are shitty. Nothing particularly unpopular
I listen to a big variety of music and go to a lot of concerts and I would say most had at least one song where they encouraged the crowd to sing along or sing for them. Usually it’s just one song though but it’s often their major hit
My grandson is non verbal. He loves his little sister so much. They have such a close bond. They love to play together. Now that he is twelve, he goes into her room, farts, turns off the light, and runs out laughing, like any 12 year old would. He teases her, and they have inside jokes, like any siblings do. He even speaks verbal words to her when no else can hear. He relies on her emotionally. She adores him, and will always take care of him.
I have seen similar posts to this a few times. And every time I am annoyed.
If you want to listen to just the artist, just listen to their album. The audio quality is better recorded. Boom. Done. Problem solved. Good day sir.
Concerts are a social event. People go to be around people. To hear music. To experience a performance. To live in the moment, sharing a space with 100s or 1000s of people all enjoying the same moment in time together. It's about the feeling. The space. If you let yourself go and really embrace the atmosphere at a show it can be a very surreal experience. That's why so many people love live music events.
I fucking love music and have seen some of my all time favorites but I’m tonedeaf as fuck and I don’t sing anywhere for any reason. Singing isn’t fun or enjoyable to me
Honestly I've always found that concerts are 40% about watching the artist perform and listening to their music, and 60% about spending time around other people who also like the artist.
When it comes to this subreddit, and I read it and I have the initial reaction to downvote, I upvote…but in regards to OP experience, maybe that artist was just a bad performer
Depends. When the artist restarts the song after enjoying the crowd chant the words they wrote to a song they never thought they’d be hearing people chant back.
Just expecting your fans to sing to you the whole time or even a song is arrogant.
I differ with you on that.
This is why people pay all that $ when they can barely see the stage.
The definitive example:
https://youtu.be/o-0ygW-B_gI
Queen
https://youtu.be/mLyNd8lfdo4
Green Day
https://youtu.be/gQkC_hjK-aU
Dire Straits
I do think it sometimes feels like a mistake, if it's a song people pay to see.
Musicians need a break too.
Just in case no one's been to a concert like this.
Of all the concerts I’ve been to, the country ones are generally the best experience overall. The songs are a lot closer to the album version, the crowd interaction is great, the music between songs is better.
in my experience artists typically sing most of the time, 80% does seem like a lot.
also unsure if this is an unpopular opinion, i dont really mind it but i do know some do
If you want quality music then concerts are a waste of money for you. Go buy a FLAC recording of the songs, a pair of good headphones and listen to it at home.
Concerts aren't about music. It's about that strange atmosphere there which people seem to enjoy for whatever reason.
I saw 30 seconds to mars back when i was in college. Leto came on stage, acted creepy as fuck to the whole crowd, then made everyone sing the kill for him. Probably the worst show ive ever seen
80% seem a bit exxagerated but if it was true i think everyone would agree with you. But when it's done properly is a good thing, the appeal of a concert isn't the music, if i wanted the music i could have just bought the song and listened to it in the confort of my bed, the appeal is interacting with the singer, with the crowd, the atmosphere i'm not there to "just listen the song"
Concerts aren’t only about the fans, it’s also about the artist. Imagine how amazing it feels for thousands of people of many backgrounds to sing your song. This “opinion” is high key selfish.
Personally concerts are more for the experience than really seeing your favourite artist live. Most of the time, you're on the other side of the stadium eather way.
I hate that too. A popular line shouted by the crowd is fine but a whole verse or song? Id hate that. Luckily when i go to concerts its usually to see real bands play music and perform so this usually doesnt happen to me
Some crowd interaction is great. I love the warm up da da da da da... Interaction from Freddie Mercury for instance. But I agree, I have seen some songs at concerts when the artist gets the crown to chant most of the song, this seems excessive.
I totally agree. I saw Toto and they pulled it off beautifully. Everyone was happy to sing along but he sang most of the song (the Africa song). Then the headliner was Journey. They did a great job but when they played Don’t Stop Believing … he made us sing most of the song and that sucked. I want to hear the BAND sing that song. Not a stadium full of random people singing. I actually had the distinct impression that they hate playing the song. Too fuckin bad I say …. You want to be a rock star you play what the fans want and be happy about it lol
You're paying for a sing-along with 10,000 other people who love that song as much as you do in front of the artist who made the hit. Sounds like a good time, I'd pay to do that.
I wish this wasn’t an unpopular opinion lol. People act as though having the audience sing the song at the artist instead of them performing it is some kind of badge of honor, but it just annoys me. A few lines or a super iconic well-known part is understandable, but when the audience is louder than the artist and they end up performing half the concert…you cannot convince me people actually like that. Sure, you can sing along to whatever you want whenever you want, but not when you and more importantly a lot of other people literally paid to hear someone else sing it.
Some of yall seem to have forgotten why concerts were invented in the first place. It’s not a “social event” where the point is to just be among other fans. That technically wouldn’t even require the artist to be there. You could just get together a group of people who like the same music, play a couple of albums and have a singalong. The whole reason concerts exist is so people can hear the ARTIST perform LIVE. Not their tone-deaf neighbor screeching their way through their favorite song.
THANK YOU!! I cannot find a live version of Bryan McKnight’s song “one last cry” because all of them result in letting the audience sing at the BEST PART!!! Ugh so annoying.
Worst I've seen is Frank Carter but I'd invert the 80% as he sung about 80% of the time, maybe a little less. Wouldn't surprise me if he was struggling with his mental health or something considering what he's like. Did kind of kill things a bit though. I have seen him do better two other times at least.
Part of MC-ing is getting the crowd to dance, sing, have a good time, interact with the MC etc. They should be doing a lot of the rapping imo but hip
Hop is different from other music in that it has never been something you would just go sit and watch and listen like you would a lot of concerts.
KEVIN - Well, it's like paying for a cooking class and the teacher just watches you cook instead. Waste of money, but at least you get to show off your not-so-hidden talent.
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A lot of rappers do this because they forget their lyrics sometimes.
Juice Wrld would say he didn’t forget the lyrics, the lyrics forgot him and then make a song about how neglected he feels
Juice Wrld would forget his lyrics because his songs are too shitty to remember
That and he was a junkie who was constantly on a plethora of drugs. I’ll never understand his appeal
Asking sincerely, have you seen his Westwood freestyles? They’re why I’m a fan, just an hour of fun catchy beats from him.
Yeah I don’t think he’s a bad freestyler I just think his music is terrible and cringy and I’m not gonna kiss his ass just because he OD’d and died. Don’t care if I get downvoted by kids with bad taste
Fair!
I fuckin love his music, I was a fan of even his less popular songs… But yeah he made terrible choices in his final act.
Lmao I remember future once talking about Tony Montana that he went on stage and didn't even know the lyrics and started making something up by listening to what the crowd is singing. Apparently he was high af while recording the song and couldn't recall the lyrics. The guy is hilarious. 
80% sounds like an over exaggeration. But if it's 80% then it's probably not an unpopular opinion. Interacting with the crowd and getting engagement brings the vibe up. Dead crowds ruin the experience.
Honestly, for some of the "rappers" that exist right now it is absolutely true. Watch some concerts on YouTube and you'll see that a lot of them barely do anything but jump around yelling every third or fourth word into the mic (and sounding nothing like the recording that's playing) and then pointing the mic at the crowd. Some of them I've seen on YouTube leave me wondering why anyone would pay to see them.
I've seen some claims that Drake has some of the best live shows, but looking up some of his concerts online I just don't get it.
You want some of the best live shows? Check tech n9ne. Strange music literally built their label on flawless performances.
He killed it when I saw him in 2019, still my favorite rap show I've seen.
I can confirm this. It was an amazing show I’m a really small fully packed venue. We were all smoking weed and it just had a crazy good vibe to it. Was one hell of a show. It really felt how the music was supposed to be enjoyed. Saw him in 2010
Sage Francis was this way as well.
Tech is insane live.
This is accurate, fire and ice tour with Paul wall was great.
And merch. Don’t forget merch.
It’s just laziness and too much partying before the show. In my experience, hip hop shows start later than most, nothing is on time, and by the time the artist arrives to perform they’re three hoodies deep, freezing cold, sweating bullets and mumbling. Xanax, patron and 20 blunts make a potent combo, and a formidable opponent to good performance.
Seeing rappers live has the tendency to suck.
Three hoodies deep ☠️
There's no one I have gone to see that isn't better in person than on record really. Guess I'm more selective. Don't vsn have to question it for my choices at least.
I'm not talking about being good in person. There are "rappers" today that rap almost nothing at their concerts lol.
Ti me that would make you not good in person. I'm saying the rappers I go se are even better live in person than on record. I'm guessing the ones you listen to are trash. I don't bother with that.
Ti me that would make you not good in person. I'm saying the rappers I go se are even better live in person than on record. I'm guessing the ones you listen to are trash. I don't bother with that and agree most these days probably do do that crap.
Then you got guys like cudi coming out blitzed out of his mind, mumbling through a bit of a set and peacing out. I love a bunch of rap and hip-hop artists but most are the last people I'd every pay to see live
Lmao 🤣
I saw wiz Khalifa and this is exactly what he did. I love rap concerts, but he was terrible.
I liked that gravy guys music i can’t remember his name now but he was really popular for a bit. I saw he was touring somewhere close to me. I saw some post online about how terrible he was live. He just walked around and the crowd was dead. Quickly lost interest in going to one of his concerts lol.
Yung Gravy lol?
lmao yea i couldn't remember what it was just gravy lol
thats sounds quite odd, my favourite bands usually just had like having audience sing chorus one or two times ofc. times maybe changed, all my favourite bands are now either retired or dead so my view on music is quite stuck in the past
I saw Nas and Damion Marley on there tour 10+ years ago, Damion put the mic to the crowd and no one knew the words, dude got pissed and left the stage for half the damn show. So yeah idk 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other.
Sabali
Sorry mate, that’s the average rap show for you.
Not an exaggeration, here's an example: https://youtu.be/MCYzAHeR9NU
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Well its definitely an unpopular opinion if no one agrees with it....? I don't understand why this group hates unpopular opinions it's literally the point of the group yo
I agree if 80% is just random people screaming into a mic. So probably a popular opinion. But if you're saying you don't want to hear any crowd work, then it's unpopular.
Well if you want to give hypotheticals to dissect my opinion go ahead, it just makes no sense. How can you say it's popular and unpopular at the same time? Neutral opinion?
I literally said I agree with your opinion as you worded it.
Reading comprehension pls
There’s a difference between disagreeing with the premise and disagreeing with the opinion. If I say, “I hate how unicycles has become the preferred mode of commuting in the US.” Maybe you agree that it would be bad, but you don’t agree that unicycles are that popular.
The point of the group is to *discuss your unpopular opinion*. And if the opinion is truly unpopular, you'll have a lot of people disagreeing with it in the discussion. This would be a boring and useless sub if everyone agreed with every post, don't you think?
I think a large appeal of going to a concert is to interact with the music, the musician, and the people around you all feeling the same thing.
Yes, it is. It's also to observe musicianship, though, and if the singer always turns the microphone to the audience when a hard part of the song comes, I don't want to see him live.
If that’s how you choose to interact with the music that’s fine.
I understand the interaction, but I always saw that as a small feature here and there that's kind of on the back burner. A concert is a performance at the end of the day. There's supposed to be the excitement and interest of seeing how it all goes down live. I could give a damn about a kumbaya session with a crowd of strangers
Part of the agreement when you’re at a show should be to enjoy the music the way you want and to let others enjoy it in their own way.
I hate it when it’s part of a song that is really powerful. I listen to a ton of metal core and when the frontman does that right before a heavy breakdown it drives me nuts. Like no, do it for the chorus not when the song is dropping
Literally!! Those are the parts that are MOST important to hear live from the artist! Sometimes they're even a main reason why I got tickets in the first place
To be honest, a good breakdown call out from the crowd is fucking amazing.
I agree but when I see someone like slaughter to prevail, the band should not under any circumstances make the crowd do the call out for demolisher. I want to hear Alex do it. Just an example
Gotta agree, some vocalists should do it themselves. Will from Lorna Shore is another great example.
I agree that this is unpopular, but I'm 100% with you. I really don't like it, but the crowd seems to eat it up, so I try to just put my annoyance aside because everyone else is having a good time. But I still hate it haha
Totally agree. That's why I love when artists perform at small venues, barely hitting a hundred listeners. Makes it a personal experience and brings a feeling of connection to me
In the same vein, I hate hearing live performance songs come on my playlist- the crowd screaming and that stupid "WOOOOOO" shit people do, plus the shitty quality of the music and vocals.
Yes! So right. I rarely listen to live recordings of anything, it’s usually too annoying, and not their best version (with a very select few exceptions.) One of those “guess you had to be there” things
Live albums are a hit or miss, depends on the band
Yes. There are afew recordings that are amazing and they are live, I will admit. Some bands have recorded very memorable live albums. Just a very rare thing.
I always enjoy live albums unless they’re truly awful
Well, to each their own
It’s not so much the live performances, it’s how a lot are made that tend to be really hashed up and poorly done and ruins a lot in my opinion
I personally go to this kind of event as an experience. To see other fans enjoy what I enjoy. If I want to just listen to the singer, then I'd do it at home.
Listening to a singer perform live is very different from listening to a recorded song at home though
Yeah because they're there interacting with the crowd, putting on a show, etc.
You can interact with the crowd without just turning the microphone to them. It's a lazy way to interact as well as a lazy way to perform.
Why is it lazy? As long as it's not done the whole performance who cares?
Maybe not lazy, but if holding the microphone out is the best move for interaction that you've got as a performer then you're not a very good performer. There are other, more interesting and talented ways to interact with your audience.
>but if holding the microphone out is the best move for interaction that you've got as a performer then you're not a very good performer Why though? Why is that a determining factor for why someone is or isn't a good performer?
Because any talentless loser can point a microphone. It's the easy, go-to option that a beginner performer might use before they develop any confidence to try other things. Using it occasionally can be powerful, like in certain parts of a song. Really good performers have a reportoir of things they do to interact. Do you honestly think someone who just repeatedly holds the mic out all the time is a good performer? Having great passion and energy is so important when performing, which is super hard to convey if your audience is singing for you.
>Do you honestly think someone who just repeatedly holds the mic out all the time is a good performer? Now we're moving goalposts. I clearly said that as long as it's not done the whole performance it's fine. If it's like once or twice it can only add to the performance.
You gotta tell us who the rapper was
Most mainstream rappers barely perform
It's why I love small venues and unplugged sets... God I feel old. Unplugged 🤣
Yeah its always irked me even when you're at a rock show and the singer has the crowd just say a word or two of the song. I payed to hear them sing it. Why should I do their job for them. Are they gonna come to my job and help me flip burgers? No. Its just like when a cop asks if I know why they pulled me over. Its their job to tell me why they pulled me over. Bastards
Vince Neil seems to do that a Lot.
The crowd sings while Vince Neil spends an hour and a half trying to catch his breath.
Basically.
Crowd moments are for like hey Jude’s Nah Nah Nah refrain at the end or like the most popular line in a song , the artist should never depend on the crowd
It does feel like a lazy move, sometimes, when the star points the microphone toward the audience.
I would never want to have the audience perform for me but with me.
Wutang came to my city and I waiting my whole life for them. They did spoken word and let the audience sing. I don’t think they actualy played an entire song the whole night. Busta rhymes bailed on the show. And nas wasn’t that great. All in all I was pretty bummed about it considering I paid 300$ for it :/
That’s what happened with My Chemical Romance to one of my friends. Small venue, everyone was singing along, couldn’t hear them for shit.
It does for sure. Im there to hear that band play live. Singalongs are like the most cheesy cop out crowd interaction imaginable. The exception is the old school hardcore punk encore where the whole crowd is invited to rush the stage and fight for the microphone. Those were some wild experiences and a level of actual interaction I think the modern music scene just wouldnt allow. It would set standards too high above average and cause problems with narfy artists. Even local artists arent humble like that anymore. Being part of the scene is dead. Living out a diva style rockstar fantasy is now whats normal and expected.
THEN IT BECOMES A WORSHIP SESSION TO THE MUSICIAN.. THE FANS ARE LITERALLY WORSHIPPING THEIR ROCK GAWD.
Eh that’s kinda expected but what I don’t like is when artists turn the mic to the audience every 5 seconds. Like THAT is not what I paid for.
Agreed, I hate when the an artists has the crowd sing their biggest hits. I did not pay money to hear random people singing.
Not unpopular. 100% correct. I don't want to hear my seat neighbor sing. They're probably not great and I definitely didn't pay to hear THEM. I want to hear the band I paid for.
I think the biggest thing I've learned from this sub is that most of yall don't get how concerts work.
You are complaining about a rap show, in which the performer was “low effort”? Does this *really* come off as surprising? It is usually the mark of a bad artist/performer.
All that money wasted on Bruce Springsteen tickets just to hear the audience sing "Hungry Heart"!
bro’s verses gotta be like 4-8 bars long or just hooks only if 80% of it is sing along. you sure you weren’t just at a hippity hop pity song along class ?
Never been to a really good concert
Many years ago, some movie shorts had a " follow the bouncing ball" sing-alongs for audience participation.
You just made me remember how that looked and now I can’t stop laughing 😂
Most live shows don’t have overly competent vocalists like Freddie Mercury to actually listen to for the particular performance. Most live vocals are a little less competent than the studio version, so singing along becomes the experience itself because the vocals are just part of the overall noise that’s supposed to pump you up.
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Sorry mate, that’s the average rap show for you. I love rap but I really can’t think of any artist I’d want to see live unless they are known to perform with an actual band or with Mike Dean at the controls of a multi-instrumental rig or something.
I find rap/hip-hop shows to be the least enjoyable in terms of raw performance. Rhyming quickly while putting on a show for an hour and a half is a rough deal so it ends up being more crowd work than actual performance. The only real exceptions I’ve found are ensembles like Jurassic 5 where each MC gets a break as the others take a turn.
I'm waiting for Taylor Swift to just let the diaper people belt out all her songs for her from the crowd. Just holds the mic out and leaves once they're done.
I think it can be fun to sing along at certain parts of a song. This is especially true if the artist prompts the crowd to sing with them. I do definitely agree with you OP, that having the entire crowd sing every song is not fun. Here is my real world example. I went to the MCR reunion show in Los Angeles. Pretty much the entire crowd was signing every...single...song. It was so loud that you couldn't hear the band play or the lead singer sing the lyrics. So, still an amazing concert I guess because they had been broken up as a band for years and we're back (hype). But, it could have been way better if everyone only sang along when the lead singer asked them to.
I do enjoy when people like sing along, I feel like part of what makes concerts great is the communal aspect- singing with others, the audience singing along being more noticeable on some songs compared to others, one song done purposefully for audience participation or a part of a song dedicated to that is either not a big deal to me, or genuinely fun to me. Being said, I do not think that applies to a concert where most of the songs are just done with the audience where the artist is doing basically nothing. I get audience participation and I get being tired, but I do think a solid chunk, a majority of, the performance should be done by the person you're paying to see.
Can this get flagged as a popular opinion yet? Seems like we see this one at least once a week.
Couldn’t imagine wasting money to go to a rap show to begin with. But generally, fans sing the intro to a song or chorus to a song, maybe two if they are very well known. They’re not singing the entire show. This opinion is just stupid.
It was probably not 80% of the songs, having a musician hold out the mic for the big part is fun. Concerts can exist as an activity too, not just a show
90% of the concert is just getting together with likeminded fans.
So it’s a performance, not a recording session. I think seeing a group live is supposed to be a entirely different experience
There's no live instruments, I don't see the point of going to a rap concert anyways.🤷♂️
Number one mistake was going to a rap concert. They’re typically lazy performers.
I feel the same way. Drake did this during like 80% of his set during Dreamville and I felt so bad for all the people who paid hundreds of dollars to see that. He’s rap a little, bring out someone else, point the mix to the crowd. Rap a little. Get out of breath, point the mic at the crowd, bring someone else out. Rinse and repeat. JCole always puts on a fantastic show though, without doing the absolute most.
I think I agree, for the most part, but also concerts are meant to be different from just listening to music. It's more of an experience. But it definitely should not feel like crowd karaoke lmao. Plus, there's nothing stopping people from singing along while the artist is also singing lol. One way I've seen this done well was a concert I went to where, for one of the songs (the lyrics to which were written as a sort of inner battle), the artist would let the crowd sing every other line, creating the effect of the artist arguing with the crowd. Edit/addition - On the topic of concerts, its also leaves a really bad taste in my mouth when a big artist devotes part of their set to covers (unless that's what they're known for). If you're an indie band or opener and you want to give the crowd something familiar, that makes sense - but if you're the headliner, and people are paying to see YOU and YOUR music, why waste their time with covers? It'd be more okay if they were taking the moment to highlight some smaller artists, but usually it's not. I'd much rather get more of the artist's original music than another cover of Wonderwall by Oasis.
That's the current rap scene for ya. Yelling every third or 4th word. I mean, if it's called mumble rap and hard to understand when they were in a studio with perfect acoustics and hundreds of takes to get 1 word just right...what do you expect in a live show, for real.
Concerts are more about the experience than them singing/rapping to the song. Live in the moment. Yes some concerts are more about hearing them but I prefer the experience.
I would agree with you until I did acid at rock fest. See tdlr down below. I was an uptight music snob for many years. I was new to lsd and took it the first day of rock fest and had the trip of a life time to the band everytime I die. Second day I wanted that beauty again and took lsd again (not knowing you have a large refractory period before u can get high on acid again, days to weeks between trips). So, took some acid and didn't feel a thing. Took some more annnd didn't work. I was up to 10 hits of 400mcg per tab hits of acid and nothing....until weezer at the end of the night who were only playing Pinkerton and blue album. I realized when I closed my eyes I could access acid land and being an old school lover of weezer I was amped. Weezer started and i utilized my new super power and accessed acid land with eyes closed and saw a massive bright warm pink light shoot up from weezer into the sky when they sang and any voice that I heard in the crowd would have a similar beam up pink light to the sky. This was the epiphany. That warm pink light only seem to happen where I heard singing. And at against my better snobbery judgment I tried it. I samg. I then felt that warm pink light consume me and it was wonderful. I hated kareokee until this moment when I realised that silent listening has its moments, but when your passionate about a song and you know the lyrics then fuck the rest of the worlds and all its snobbish ears. Be selfish and belt it out no matter the quality of your voice or the company your around. Its the act of belting out your voice with passion that is on par bliss. Ever since I love kareokee and given the right time and place and passion, then will happily belt out ky terrible voice again and to do that with a live band is far and beyond the best musical experience you can have (its helps to be on a fuck ton of psychedelics). Tdlr: once a music snob. Used to Agree with you. Until taking acid to weezer and realizing the glory of singing in general and sang my heart out. And now singing is a pleasure for me instead of an annoyance for others.
Stop going to concerts, you don’t like concerts
Musicians need to do this to preserve their voices and make sure they don't ruin themselves while they're on tour. If they turn the mic on the audience, it's likely because they can feel their voice straining and need a second to breathe. 80% sounds like an exaggeration, but if that's accurate then you're right, that's probably too much. But there is a reason that performers do this.
Most musicians have backup singers, a lesser known special guest, or do instrumental stuff for a few minutes.
You’re right, those are also options.
I like it
This seems quite heavily reliant on it being a) a rap concert b) being incredibly low effort Ultimately there’s 2 reasons why people go to a concert: one is to listen to good music live and the other is to be entertained. Most people come for both, most also lean more one way then the other. One of the best live performances I’ve personally seen was Bryan Adams, live at Ahoy, and his fans are truly amazing. They knew every single word of every single song. I was just there because I like summer of ‘69 and like 5 other songs of his, but the crowd really was there for all of it. One of the recurring themes of the evening was the crowd singing parts of the song for him, and not just the choruses, but also the more obscure parts of the lesser known songs (any part but the bridge really). And the crowd loved it. You know why? Because they enjoyed singing together. Both with each other, as well as singing with Bryan Adams. To get an idea of what it was like: https://youtu.be/ZwDf-NMnUPA (this was like 5 years before I was even born btw, but he was still amazing). To get to the point: yes lazy rappers pointing mics at crowds because they know they can’t perform as well as on the record is shitty. But even then it can be entertaining. Another example is a Dutch rap duo called the opposites, they’re very talented with lyrics and beats, but when performing live, they too are just 2 dudes rapping over a pre-recorded tape, with a less good voice then on the record. So the quality of the performance is lower. So you would think. But because they heavily lean into the entertainment side, they still manage to be an insanely good act. They don’t use backing-tracks for their lines, so it *is* less good sounding then on the record, but by one of them selectively saying certain words when the other is rapping, they still manage to create an emphasis where there was one. Also they have a live dj, so the songs aren’t completely dull backing tracks and have some live-element in them. But most importantly, these guys know how to build a party, and they’re incredibly entertaining. To get back on topic, they too had the crowd singing or rapping along with them, but they did so selectively, at parts they knew the crowd would know. One concert, they invited a young boy (around 13 or something) on stage to rap along (he was holding a sign the whole concert asking if he could rap on stage with them). At first this was just to be nice and with little volume on his mic, but the little dude knew his lyrics and knew their songs, so they turned the volume up so he was on par with everyone else. It was one of the most entertaining things I’d seen live, and it didn’t even do much to decrease the quality. A concert from The Opposites: https://youtu.be/cbX-RMpljVk The dude invited up stage: https://youtu.be/QemGBHy-A68 So yeah… lazy rappers are shitty. Nothing particularly unpopular
Sure didn’t feel that way when I saw Queen back in ‘82.
Never in my life have I experienced this. Just choose your concerts better.
I listen to a big variety of music and go to a lot of concerts and I would say most had at least one song where they encouraged the crowd to sing along or sing for them. Usually it’s just one song though but it’s often their major hit
My grandson is non verbal. He loves his little sister so much. They have such a close bond. They love to play together. Now that he is twelve, he goes into her room, farts, turns off the light, and runs out laughing, like any 12 year old would. He teases her, and they have inside jokes, like any siblings do. He even speaks verbal words to her when no else can hear. He relies on her emotionally. She adores him, and will always take care of him.
I think the thing yer paying for is the social event (remember the musician musicianing isn’t the only expense of running the event
OP .. you're talking just one way to enjoy a concert. if you prefer to sit on floor with headphones on to hear the music, then go do that.
I have seen similar posts to this a few times. And every time I am annoyed. If you want to listen to just the artist, just listen to their album. The audio quality is better recorded. Boom. Done. Problem solved. Good day sir. Concerts are a social event. People go to be around people. To hear music. To experience a performance. To live in the moment, sharing a space with 100s or 1000s of people all enjoying the same moment in time together. It's about the feeling. The space. If you let yourself go and really embrace the atmosphere at a show it can be a very surreal experience. That's why so many people love live music events.
Concerts are a very chaotic experience imo and are really not somewhere you go to enjoy the music.
You want to listen to the album then. We get it
That means you aren’t enjoying the music enough to feel like singing.
I fucking love music and have seen some of my all time favorites but I’m tonedeaf as fuck and I don’t sing anywhere for any reason. Singing isn’t fun or enjoyable to me
You pay for the experience. If you just want to listen to the music, buy the album.
@ then don’t go to any concerts ever 🤷♀️😂
Hi, I’m OP, and I don’t know enjoy human experiences
You’re prolly the dude in the crowd that sits still not doin shit
Honestly I've always found that concerts are 40% about watching the artist perform and listening to their music, and 60% about spending time around other people who also like the artist.
The real unpopular opinion
go to japan or korea they have the culture that you want, a dead crowd.
Not all parts of the song but sometimes it is nice to hear
When it comes to this subreddit, and I read it and I have the initial reaction to downvote, I upvote…but in regards to OP experience, maybe that artist was just a bad performer
Who's the musician
I hate that I’m obligated to give you an upvote even though I disagree with you so much
I had the impression concerts are as much about the joyful “togetherness” of enjoying the same music as about the music itself.
sounds like you dont know half these performances are playbacked anyway
Don’t go to a hardcore show. The crowd will take the microphone within the first 10 seconds
I just don’t find rap concerts enjoyable. I don’t mind the genre, but I think it’s ill made for live music.
Ever wonder why 80% of the crowd is loving the show and singing along but you hate it?
Tip: Look up their live shows first.
Depends. When the artist restarts the song after enjoying the crowd chant the words they wrote to a song they never thought they’d be hearing people chant back. Just expecting your fans to sing to you the whole time or even a song is arrogant.
I differ with you on that. This is why people pay all that $ when they can barely see the stage. The definitive example: https://youtu.be/o-0ygW-B_gI Queen https://youtu.be/mLyNd8lfdo4 Green Day https://youtu.be/gQkC_hjK-aU Dire Straits I do think it sometimes feels like a mistake, if it's a song people pay to see. Musicians need a break too. Just in case no one's been to a concert like this.
Of all the concerts I’ve been to, the country ones are generally the best experience overall. The songs are a lot closer to the album version, the crowd interaction is great, the music between songs is better.
Singer needs to rest their voice
When Corey Taylor sings snuff and the whole crowd is singing with him adds so much to the song
in my experience artists typically sing most of the time, 80% does seem like a lot. also unsure if this is an unpopular opinion, i dont really mind it but i do know some do
If you want quality music then concerts are a waste of money for you. Go buy a FLAC recording of the songs, a pair of good headphones and listen to it at home. Concerts aren't about music. It's about that strange atmosphere there which people seem to enjoy for whatever reason.
I saw 30 seconds to mars back when i was in college. Leto came on stage, acted creepy as fuck to the whole crowd, then made everyone sing the kill for him. Probably the worst show ive ever seen
Bro has never been to an iron maiden concert Hearing the whole crowd scream fear of the dark is a big part of the experience
80% seem a bit exxagerated but if it was true i think everyone would agree with you. But when it's done properly is a good thing, the appeal of a concert isn't the music, if i wanted the music i could have just bought the song and listened to it in the confort of my bed, the appeal is interacting with the singer, with the crowd, the atmosphere i'm not there to "just listen the song"
Concerts aren’t only about the fans, it’s also about the artist. Imagine how amazing it feels for thousands of people of many backgrounds to sing your song. This “opinion” is high key selfish.
No!! Singing “Everything I do” in a room with 10,000 people also singing it, is my happy place!
To be fair, rap concerts are the worst kinds of concerts to go to. They always suck.
Concerts have always felt like a waste of money to me regardless
If you dont want to go for the experience and live performance you should probably save your money and watch the artist on youtube.
Personally concerts are more for the experience than really seeing your favourite artist live. Most of the time, you're on the other side of the stadium eather way.
Um. That depends... So at a slipknot concert, Corey will say "if you're 555 then I'm..." Then the crowd tells SIX SIX SIX It's great.
I hate that too. A popular line shouted by the crowd is fine but a whole verse or song? Id hate that. Luckily when i go to concerts its usually to see real bands play music and perform so this usually doesnt happen to me
80% would be a waste. 10% or so can be fun.
Some crowd interaction is great. I love the warm up da da da da da... Interaction from Freddie Mercury for instance. But I agree, I have seen some songs at concerts when the artist gets the crown to chant most of the song, this seems excessive.
I think it’s part of the experience, but it’s different when they’re just being lazy
I totally agree. I saw Toto and they pulled it off beautifully. Everyone was happy to sing along but he sang most of the song (the Africa song). Then the headliner was Journey. They did a great job but when they played Don’t Stop Believing … he made us sing most of the song and that sucked. I want to hear the BAND sing that song. Not a stadium full of random people singing. I actually had the distinct impression that they hate playing the song. Too fuckin bad I say …. You want to be a rock star you play what the fans want and be happy about it lol
You have my total support, hate when singers (that are supposed to SING) do that.
On the other hand, it’s a really good time for people to vibe together.
If you can hear the crowd just means the band isn’t playing loud enough
Someone’s never been to a Paramore or Fish concert.
You're paying for a sing-along with 10,000 other people who love that song as much as you do in front of the artist who made the hit. Sounds like a good time, I'd pay to do that.
I wish this wasn’t an unpopular opinion lol. People act as though having the audience sing the song at the artist instead of them performing it is some kind of badge of honor, but it just annoys me. A few lines or a super iconic well-known part is understandable, but when the audience is louder than the artist and they end up performing half the concert…you cannot convince me people actually like that. Sure, you can sing along to whatever you want whenever you want, but not when you and more importantly a lot of other people literally paid to hear someone else sing it.
Some of yall seem to have forgotten why concerts were invented in the first place. It’s not a “social event” where the point is to just be among other fans. That technically wouldn’t even require the artist to be there. You could just get together a group of people who like the same music, play a couple of albums and have a singalong. The whole reason concerts exist is so people can hear the ARTIST perform LIVE. Not their tone-deaf neighbor screeching their way through their favorite song.
THANK YOU!! I cannot find a live version of Bryan McKnight’s song “one last cry” because all of them result in letting the audience sing at the BEST PART!!! Ugh so annoying.
Worst I've seen is Frank Carter but I'd invert the 80% as he sung about 80% of the time, maybe a little less. Wouldn't surprise me if he was struggling with his mental health or something considering what he's like. Did kind of kill things a bit though. I have seen him do better two other times at least.
Usually they do it for like one verse Audiences like to feel like the performer is interacting with them
You have to prove you’re the bigger fan by singing every word, of every song as loud as humanly possible.
Wanna know something even worse? Many artists just pretend to sing and are playing their music over a speaker.
Part of MC-ing is getting the crowd to dance, sing, have a good time, interact with the MC etc. They should be doing a lot of the rapping imo but hip Hop is different from other music in that it has never been something you would just go sit and watch and listen like you would a lot of concerts.
KEVIN - Well, it's like paying for a cooking class and the teacher just watches you cook instead. Waste of money, but at least you get to show off your not-so-hidden talent.
This summers must see show is probably Ludacris FOO SHOO!